October 2, 2025 • 12 mins
Kenny Webster interviews Loving County DA Sarah Stogner.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, if you enjoy the Walton Johnson Show like we do,
then you might also enjoy the Pursuit of Happiness show
in the afternoon with oh Kenney Webster there. And as
a matter of fact, I think, do we have a clip?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Can we play a clip? All right?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
This is the song Pump It Up by Elvis Costello.
I'm playing it for Sarah Stagner. She is the DA
District Attorney in the one hundred and forty third Judicial District,
Loving County. But I'm playing this song because she famously
was what did she She wrote out a pump jack
back when she was running for railroad Commissioner against Wayne Christian.
(00:40):
I know some of you didn't like that I took
Sarah's side in that. I don't care Wayne Christian's at goober.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't like him. I don't like eminent domain.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm not gonna get by most of the people on
the Railroad Commission in Texas will bend the kneed to
the oil and gas industry. By the way, I'm very
pro carbon fuel. I'm very pro oil and gas. I'm
not pro some corporation pays the government to take your
land away from you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think that sucks. That happened several years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It's part of the reason why Sarah Stagner and I
became acquaintances, maybe political allies. She's an attorney and she
is the DA of Loving County. If you never heard
of Loving County before, well, it's not a lot of
people there. It's the least populated county in the States,
out in the middle of the Permian base and out
in the middle of nowhere. Sarah is on this show
not long ago because she was in defiance of Lieutenant
(01:27):
Governor Dan Patrick's attempt to outlaw marijuana hemp based products
around the state or overregulate them, and she said, no,
it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's a plant.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And you know, by the way, Sarah is on the
MAGA side of this argument. You remember the reason those
products exist in strip malls around the state is because
those CBD shops exist because Donald Trump signed the Farm Act.
A little rumor I heard recently is that he is
about to reschedule hemp based products and take them off
the Schedule one classification. I don't know when that's going
(01:58):
to happen, but he posted on his personal social media
account Truth Social a video explaining why these CBD and
THHD products aretally very beneficial to older people as they
deal with health issues. That video was not created for me,
a millennial. He posted that video to explain to a
bunch of baby boomers why they need to calm down
about marijuana laws. We'll get to that in a minute.
(02:20):
Loving County is in the news for another reason this week.
We've been talking about this on our morning show. There's
this guy named doctor Malcolm Tanner. What kind of doctor
is he?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
A fake one?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
As far as I could tell, he is a guy
with a criminal history in Indiana who recently decided that
he's some kind of a messiah. I hope I'm explaining
this right. And he's moving down to West Texas to
the town of Sarah. Why don't I let you explain?
It is the town called Mentone? Is that what it's called?
It is?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So the county seat of Loving County is Mentone. There's
about eighty eight people that live in the entire county
full time that domiciled there. You know, we've got hundreds
or thousands of guys that come in as to rairy
workers and live in man camps and are working in
the oil fields. But yeah, this guy bought ten acres,
it's landlocked, he's got no way to legally access the
(03:10):
property except for trespassing over other people's lands. And he's
been advertising online that he's offering free housing to people
that will come and move and relocate to Loving County.
The problem is is he's got about twelve trailers and
about twelve tenths on his ten acres and they have
no running water power, anything like that, plumbing. So you've
(03:33):
got people living in squalor. And what I'm worried about
is women and children who may be being trafficked essentially.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, so that's kind of a big deal, right.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
The Houston Chronicle, kind of a liberal news outlet, some
would say, did a story where they made this guy
look like a bad guy. And a lot of the
conservatives out in West Texas they don't like them either.
There's not much in Texas politics that conservatives and liberals
seem to agree on, especially conservative activists in the liberal media.
But boy, they all seem to be skeptical of this guy.
What is it that makes you think he's trafficking people?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, you know, the concern is he's advertising free housing,
come move here and we'll give you free housing, but
then that's not actually happening, right that once people get here,
they he's then saying, well, now you've got to pay me.
And so we've had some law enforcement that have been watching.
You know, he's got several social media accounts, so it's
(04:29):
really hard to try to watch everything and police everything.
He's still having meetings and like I think Twitter spaces
and clubhouse and things like that, where you know, you're
getting people and potentially very vulnerable, vulnerable people with limited resources,
putting everything they have together to come, Oh, I'm going
to come to this mecha where we've got free housing
(04:52):
and know you're stuck outside of mentone in the middle
of the desert with no water or electricity. And then people,
especially if they've got criminal histories themselves as a victim,
are very reluctant to go to law enforcement and ask
for help. And so that's just rife for abuse.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know, it would seem as though that you know,
he's an activist in like the black rights community, at
least that's the way it seems to me. And he
claims he's some kind of a messiah who's come up
with a formula. So he can create houses, and even
other people in the black rights community seem to be
skeptical of this guy. I found videos on the Internet
where somebody was asking him in a clubhouse chat or
(05:32):
some kind of a zoom call, Hey, doctor Malcolm Tanner,
how do you build the houses?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And he basically just mocks the guy.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He's like, well, I could explain it to you, but
you're not smart enough to get it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
My question is how many followers does he actually have?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, I don't know, but right, I mean, he's got
a pretty large social media presence, and as we know,
the more extreme and crazy things are, the more eyeballs
they get, right, And so I think you start to
have people watching kind of out of more big curiosity.
But then that empowers him, and so yeah, I mean
(06:06):
it's obviously it's Texas. We value people's personal property rights.
You and I certainly do and don't want to get
law enforcement involved if people are using their property for
legal things and that's their own business, right. But at
the same time, if you've got people moving from across
the country out here who don't have any other resources
(06:27):
and don't have friends or family locally that they think
that they can talk to and trust. It's almost like
a cult type situation very quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
All right, So this journalist room the Houston Chronicle did
a really interesting story.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I have the video posted.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We played it on our morning show where he explains
at face value what's going on. And I won't play
it because you and I just kind of explained the story.
But it's the journalist's name is Eric. I think Eric
goes to the facility with a cop and doctor Malcolm
Tanner gets angry, and now he's suing them for eight
hundred million dollars. I know, at least that's what it
says online. I know there's no answer to this, Sarah,
(07:06):
And you're a lawyer, so you you know you're a
very logical person. This will I don't expect you to
have an answer. But how where's the eight hundred million
dollars come from?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah? I don't know. It sounds like a great number, right,
I'd like eight hundred million dollars. No, I don't think
it's based in any sort of reality. There's there's a
lot of things about this guy that don't appear to
be based in any sort of reality.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Okay, well, so what are his followers doing to get
food and water, and because you can't just like, look,
I just came back from burning man. When you're out
in the middle of the desert, there's not any running water,
you know, the electricity, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, well there they've been caught stealing water from people,
like with a trailer and big five gallon jugs, just
going around stealing water and stockpiling it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And then they've got.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Some generators where I guess they're buying fuel and you know,
using generators like a tailgate that never ends.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Something caught stealing water. Why haven't they been arrested?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I don't know. You have to have a complaint, right,
you have to have that's the water. The amount of
water that they would be stealing would be a misdemeanor level.
So it's not going to come to my office. But
my understanding is, as you've had, they've been caught a
couple places around town. They've been told you do not
have permission to take this water, and if you come back,
(08:28):
you will be arrested. You know, there's a balance between hey,
vulnerable people taking water where arguably they didn't know that
they weren't allowed to be taking it, and well now
they've been warned, and you know, just everyone again trying
to follow the law and have an appropriate reaction.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Sarah, I've always been a fan of you. You and
I might not agree on everything, but you're a populist.
You know you're you rage against the machine. You go
up against the government and big corporations. You're a libertarian,
and that you and I are close enough. I would
say that allies in this weird fight against the depression
of whatever it may be. When you became the DA
of Loving County, that was kind of a weird surprise
(09:08):
none of us expected. I'm not even sure if you
were expecting it. Did you ever think you'd be dealing
with anything like this after you took over as DA
of that little community.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
No, I will say it is not boring around here.
There's never a dull moment. It's just me and then
I have one assistant DA across three counties, so it
takes me from my house to get to Mintown about
an hour and forty minutes. So we're talking about a
large geographical area right which Loving County has its own
(09:39):
unique history. If people want to go google about the
current status of politics and Loving County, you know you've
got a couple of very wealthy families who've been fighting
for a long time, and so it is. It's never
a dull moment around here. This is I guess the
best way to put it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
What's the latest on your fight to you know, legalize
pot or d criminalize or whatever it is you're.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Trying to do right now.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to continue to raise awareness
about real crimes like child sex offenses that we all
I think can agree are really bad, and try to
bring continued awareness and resources to law enforcement to be
able to actually prosecute successfully those crimes and let adults
that want to use cannabis use cannabis in the privacy
(10:26):
of their homes without government interference. So there was one
case that I am prosecuting that the defense filed a
motion to disqualify me, claiming that I had broken the
law and therefore I'd broken my oath and was incapable
of being a fair prosecutor. And the judge declined to
disqualify me on that I am still vulnerable, I guess
(10:49):
to a civil suit if someone that lives in the
jurisdiction wanted to say, hey, you purported to smoke marijuana
on camera, which is a misdemeanor, and we don't think
that you're a good DA. They could file that. You know.
They do that to Jose Garza in Austin all the time.
So I have turned it into a noun and said
I could be Jose Garza at any time, I guess.
(11:11):
But if that happens and they don't want me, then
I'll go back to suing oil and gas companies.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So what happens next with your political ambitions? You're the
DA until when and then what do you want to do?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Well, man, I'm the DA for another three years and
two months. I don't know, you know. Originally when I
took this job, I thought maybe I could do this
for eight years. My daughter will then be graduating from
high school and I could go on to something else.
I don't know if I have the emotional bandwidth to
look at people raping children for the next, you know,
(11:45):
seven years. I am committed to seeing out this this term,
but I don't know what God has in store for me.
I'm just going to do the best I can in
this position right now and see see what happens.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Sarah, I got to tell you you have a fascinating story.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I am glad you are out there.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You are one of the many, many reasons why Texas
politics is an interesting place and I gotta time. Based
on all your current feuds and fights, I hope you
win them all, sister. Anything we could do to help you,
let us know.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Thanks, Kinny, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Hey, I got to run to the rest of you.
Have a great afternoon.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Don't forget tickets available this Sunday for our comedy show
Wheelchairs for Warriors dot Org. We only have general admission left.
There's not a lot of tickets left. It's me Chad
Pray through Jesse Payton. We're raising money for disabled military veterans.
Tell the government to kick your kiss your ass. Have
a great afternoon. You are listening to the Pursuit of
(12:44):
Happiness Radio. Tell the government to kiss your ass when
you listen to this show.
Hey, if you enjoy the Walton Johnson Show like we do,
then you might also enjoy the Pursuit of Happiness show
in the afternoon with oh Kenney Webster there. And as
a matter of fact, I think, do we have a clip?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Can we play a clip? All right?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
This is the song Pump It Up by Elvis Costello.
I'm playing it for Sarah Stagner. She is the DA
District Attorney in the one hundred and forty third Judicial District,
Loving County. But I'm playing this song because she famously
was what did she She wrote out a pump jack
back when she was running for railroad Commissioner against Wayne Christian.
(00:40):
I know some of you didn't like that I took
Sarah's side in that. I don't care Wayne Christian's at goober.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't like him. I don't like eminent domain.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm not gonna get by most of the people on
the Railroad Commission in Texas will bend the kneed to
the oil and gas industry. By the way, I'm very
pro carbon fuel. I'm very pro oil and gas. I'm
not pro some corporation pays the government to take your
land away from you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think that sucks. That happened several years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It's part of the reason why Sarah Stagner and I
became acquaintances, maybe political allies. She's an attorney and she
is the DA of Loving County. If you never heard
of Loving County before, well, it's not a lot of
people there. It's the least populated county in the States,
out in the middle of the Permian base and out
in the middle of nowhere. Sarah is on this show
not long ago because she was in defiance of Lieutenant
(01:27):
Governor Dan Patrick's attempt to outlaw marijuana hemp based products
around the state or overregulate them, and she said, no,
it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's a plant.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And you know, by the way, Sarah is on the
MAGA side of this argument. You remember the reason those
products exist in strip malls around the state is because
those CBD shops exist because Donald Trump signed the Farm Act.
A little rumor I heard recently is that he is
about to reschedule hemp based products and take them off
the Schedule one classification. I don't know when that's going
(01:58):
to happen, but he posted on his personal social media
account Truth Social a video explaining why these CBD and
THHD products aretally very beneficial to older people as they
deal with health issues. That video was not created for me,
a millennial. He posted that video to explain to a
bunch of baby boomers why they need to calm down
about marijuana laws. We'll get to that in a minute.
(02:20):
Loving County is in the news for another reason this week.
We've been talking about this on our morning show. There's
this guy named doctor Malcolm Tanner. What kind of doctor
is he?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
A fake one?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
As far as I could tell, he is a guy
with a criminal history in Indiana who recently decided that
he's some kind of a messiah. I hope I'm explaining
this right. And he's moving down to West Texas to
the town of Sarah. Why don't I let you explain?
It is the town called Mentone? Is that what it's called?
It is?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So the county seat of Loving County is Mentone. There's
about eighty eight people that live in the entire county
full time that domiciled there. You know, we've got hundreds
or thousands of guys that come in as to rairy
workers and live in man camps and are working in
the oil fields. But yeah, this guy bought ten acres,
it's landlocked, he's got no way to legally access the
(03:10):
property except for trespassing over other people's lands. And he's
been advertising online that he's offering free housing to people
that will come and move and relocate to Loving County.
The problem is is he's got about twelve trailers and
about twelve tenths on his ten acres and they have
no running water power, anything like that, plumbing. So you've
(03:33):
got people living in squalor. And what I'm worried about
is women and children who may be being trafficked essentially.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, so that's kind of a big deal, right.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
The Houston Chronicle, kind of a liberal news outlet, some
would say, did a story where they made this guy
look like a bad guy. And a lot of the
conservatives out in West Texas they don't like them either.
There's not much in Texas politics that conservatives and liberals
seem to agree on, especially conservative activists in the liberal media.
But boy, they all seem to be skeptical of this guy.
What is it that makes you think he's trafficking people?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, you know, the concern is he's advertising free housing,
come move here and we'll give you free housing, but
then that's not actually happening, right that once people get here,
they he's then saying, well, now you've got to pay me.
And so we've had some law enforcement that have been watching.
You know, he's got several social media accounts, so it's
(04:29):
really hard to try to watch everything and police everything.
He's still having meetings and like I think Twitter spaces
and clubhouse and things like that, where you know, you're
getting people and potentially very vulnerable, vulnerable people with limited resources,
putting everything they have together to come, Oh, I'm going
to come to this mecha where we've got free housing
(04:52):
and know you're stuck outside of mentone in the middle
of the desert with no water or electricity. And then people,
especially if they've got criminal histories themselves as a victim,
are very reluctant to go to law enforcement and ask
for help. And so that's just rife for abuse.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know, it would seem as though that you know,
he's an activist in like the black rights community, at
least that's the way it seems to me. And he
claims he's some kind of a messiah who's come up
with a formula. So he can create houses, and even
other people in the black rights community seem to be
skeptical of this guy. I found videos on the Internet
where somebody was asking him in a clubhouse chat or
(05:32):
some kind of a zoom call, Hey, doctor Malcolm Tanner,
how do you build the houses?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And he basically just mocks the guy.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He's like, well, I could explain it to you, but
you're not smart enough to get it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
My question is how many followers does he actually have?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, I don't know, but right, I mean, he's got
a pretty large social media presence, and as we know,
the more extreme and crazy things are, the more eyeballs
they get, right, And so I think you start to
have people watching kind of out of more big curiosity.
But then that empowers him, and so yeah, I mean
(06:06):
it's obviously it's Texas. We value people's personal property rights.
You and I certainly do and don't want to get
law enforcement involved if people are using their property for
legal things and that's their own business, right. But at
the same time, if you've got people moving from across
the country out here who don't have any other resources
(06:27):
and don't have friends or family locally that they think
that they can talk to and trust. It's almost like
a cult type situation very quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
All right, So this journalist room the Houston Chronicle did
a really interesting story.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I have the video posted.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We played it on our morning show where he explains
at face value what's going on. And I won't play
it because you and I just kind of explained the story.
But it's the journalist's name is Eric. I think Eric
goes to the facility with a cop and doctor Malcolm
Tanner gets angry, and now he's suing them for eight
hundred million dollars. I know, at least that's what it
says online. I know there's no answer to this, Sarah,
(07:06):
And you're a lawyer, so you you know you're a
very logical person. This will I don't expect you to
have an answer. But how where's the eight hundred million
dollars come from?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah? I don't know. It sounds like a great number, right,
I'd like eight hundred million dollars. No, I don't think
it's based in any sort of reality. There's there's a
lot of things about this guy that don't appear to
be based in any sort of reality.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Okay, well, so what are his followers doing to get
food and water, and because you can't just like, look,
I just came back from burning man. When you're out
in the middle of the desert, there's not any running water,
you know, the electricity, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, well there they've been caught stealing water from people,
like with a trailer and big five gallon jugs, just
going around stealing water and stockpiling it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And then they've got.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Some generators where I guess they're buying fuel and you know,
using generators like a tailgate that never ends.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Something caught stealing water. Why haven't they been arrested?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I don't know. You have to have a complaint, right,
you have to have that's the water. The amount of
water that they would be stealing would be a misdemeanor level.
So it's not going to come to my office. But
my understanding is, as you've had, they've been caught a
couple places around town. They've been told you do not
have permission to take this water, and if you come back,
(08:28):
you will be arrested. You know, there's a balance between hey,
vulnerable people taking water where arguably they didn't know that
they weren't allowed to be taking it, and well now
they've been warned, and you know, just everyone again trying
to follow the law and have an appropriate reaction.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Sarah, I've always been a fan of you. You and
I might not agree on everything, but you're a populist.
You know you're you rage against the machine. You go
up against the government and big corporations. You're a libertarian,
and that you and I are close enough. I would
say that allies in this weird fight against the depression
of whatever it may be. When you became the DA
of Loving County, that was kind of a weird surprise
(09:08):
none of us expected. I'm not even sure if you
were expecting it. Did you ever think you'd be dealing
with anything like this after you took over as DA
of that little community.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
No, I will say it is not boring around here.
There's never a dull moment. It's just me and then
I have one assistant DA across three counties, so it
takes me from my house to get to Mintown about
an hour and forty minutes. So we're talking about a
large geographical area right which Loving County has its own
(09:39):
unique history. If people want to go google about the
current status of politics and Loving County, you know you've
got a couple of very wealthy families who've been fighting
for a long time, and so it is. It's never
a dull moment around here. This is I guess the
best way to put it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
What's the latest on your fight to you know, legalize
pot or d criminalize or whatever it is you're.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Trying to do right now.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to continue to raise awareness
about real crimes like child sex offenses that we all
I think can agree are really bad, and try to
bring continued awareness and resources to law enforcement to be
able to actually prosecute successfully those crimes and let adults
that want to use cannabis use cannabis in the privacy
(10:26):
of their homes without government interference. So there was one
case that I am prosecuting that the defense filed a
motion to disqualify me, claiming that I had broken the
law and therefore I'd broken my oath and was incapable
of being a fair prosecutor. And the judge declined to
disqualify me on that I am still vulnerable, I guess
(10:49):
to a civil suit if someone that lives in the
jurisdiction wanted to say, hey, you purported to smoke marijuana
on camera, which is a misdemeanor, and we don't think
that you're a good DA. They could file that. You know.
They do that to Jose Garza in Austin all the time.
So I have turned it into a noun and said
I could be Jose Garza at any time, I guess.
(11:11):
But if that happens and they don't want me, then
I'll go back to suing oil and gas companies.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So what happens next with your political ambitions? You're the
DA until when and then what do you want to do?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Well, man, I'm the DA for another three years and
two months. I don't know, you know. Originally when I
took this job, I thought maybe I could do this
for eight years. My daughter will then be graduating from
high school and I could go on to something else.
I don't know if I have the emotional bandwidth to
look at people raping children for the next, you know,
(11:45):
seven years. I am committed to seeing out this this term,
but I don't know what God has in store for me.
I'm just going to do the best I can in
this position right now and see see what happens.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Sarah, I got to tell you you have a fascinating story.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I am glad you are out there.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You are one of the many, many reasons why Texas
politics is an interesting place and I gotta time. Based
on all your current feuds and fights, I hope you
win them all, sister. Anything we could do to help you,
let us know.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Thanks, Kinny, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Hey, I got to run to the rest of you.
Have a great afternoon.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Don't forget tickets available this Sunday for our comedy show
Wheelchairs for Warriors dot Org. We only have general admission left.
There's not a lot of tickets left. It's me Chad
Pray through Jesse Payton. We're raising money for disabled military veterans.
Tell the government to kick your kiss your ass. Have
a great afternoon. You are listening to the Pursuit of
(12:44):
Happiness Radio. Tell the government to kiss your ass when
you listen to this show.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.