Episode Highlights With Sheila
- How she has four kidneys and jokes that if anyone needs a kidney to call her
- Setting the foundation before supplements and what this means
- How digestion and cellular health come into play for true wellness
- Why the cell wall matters and how we often ignore this piece
- How to create healthy cell walls
- Her order of events for supplements to optimize gut and cell wall health
- We get a bump in inflammation when we eat and how she uses this to our advantage
- She treats supplements like medication and gauges results carefully
- Her timeline for integrative supplementation
- Proteins get broken down and absorbed to make up neurotransmitters
- The importance of sunshine for kids, when vitamin D supplementation is important and why she doesn’t supplement vitamin D in the summer- we can’t overdose on vitamin D from the sun
- Protein in kids and how to help them get enough, and help them digest it well
- Nervous system factors that come into play especially for kids
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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they need. Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast.
I'm Katie from Walnessama dot com and I'm here today
with doctor Sheila Kilbain to talk about moving from depletion
(04:20):
tooth thriving, a step by step approach to walness for
the whole family. And I am a big fan of
doctor Kilbain. She is board certified pediatrician who has trained
in integrative medicine, and after realizing she didn't fit the
box of conventional medicine, she left the disease management model
and sought additional training with Andrew will through the University
of Arizona Center for Integrative Medicine, and she opened one
(04:42):
of the first integrative pediatric practices in Charlotte, North Carolina,
and has written and worked extensively in this area of
integrative pediatrics for kids. She mentors other practitioners and how
to implement integrative medicine into their practices as well, and
gives educational lectures to parents and professionals around the globe.
One pivotal moment was during the pandemic when Jeffrey Bland,
(05:03):
the father of functional medicine, asked her to speak on
pediatric immune resilience, the best of conventional and integrated medicine
to identify the root cause of children's honesses. She has
an absolute wealth and knowledge, as you will hear today,
a lot of practical takeaways and some very nuanced things
about the order and the steps for supporting cell wall
health and so much more, especially in our kids.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So let's jump in.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Doctor Sheila, Welcome back, Thank you for being here again.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Thank you. It's so great to be back. I haven't
chatted with you in a while, and I enjoyed our
last podcast very much. Me too.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
We're long overdue for a catchup and it's so fun
to get to record it. And in this episode, we're
going to go deep on the topic of true nourishment
and from depletion to thriving for the whole family, actually
getting to address the kid's side as well, which I
feel like is really important. Before we jump in, I
also wanted to hear a little bit more because you
shared before that you have four kidneys, which is very uncommon.
(05:59):
To begin with, you joked that if anyone ever needs
a kidney, to call you, but seemingly this actually happened,
and I would love to hear this story. I don't
think I know anybody else with four kidneys.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So it's called a duplicate system, and so I have
two kidneys put together on each side, and which means
I also have two ureters on each side, and I
have As a kid, I used to get these very
high fevers and ended up taking you know, I got
a big work out and took antibiotics for six months,
and I've been fine ever since. But in my book,
(06:29):
I wrote that I kind of jokingly I'll say, or
when I do talks, I'll say, if you ever need
a kidney, you know where to come. And somebody emailed
it's the sweetest thing, just saying what she knew somebody
who did need a kidney, and was that a possibility?
And unfortunately, because they're put together on each side, it's
not like you could just, you know, take one of
(06:51):
them out. I wouldn't have three left, so I had
to graciously declined. But I thought that was the kindest
thing of this person to reach out for her friend.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh that is so sweet, and you have so much expertise.
I've chatted with you before about nuances of pediatric care
and how we can help our kids thrive, and in
this one, I want to really dive into a topic
that I know you work day to day with so
many families, which is the idea of understanding like nourishment
at a true cellular level within the body and what
(07:23):
it actually looks like to move from a more depleted
state to absolutely thriving, especially for our kids. And I've
heard you talk about setting the foundation before and getting
the body ready before adding things on or adding supplements,
and I've talked about this in a corollary way, finding
it out on my own that if we don't have
these foundational pieces in place, yes we can take supplements,
(07:44):
but we're not going to get the maximal benefit that
we might if we build this foundation first. So I
love this topic and I would love for you to
walk us through what does that foundation look like? How
do we build that foundation so that the things that
we do that are more nuanced or more expensive actually
are more effective as well.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, so when kids, often we'll have families come to us.
The kids may have exema, they may have asthma, they
may have had recurrent illnesses, and we've kind of accepted
in our world that kids are going to be on
two or three rounds of antibiotics each year, and that
just isn't the case. And early on when I started practicing,
(08:22):
that didn't make sense to me either. So when we're
setting the foundation, we are starting to look at digestion,
at cellular health, at what nutrients are actually needed. And
one of the things, especially when we're talking about good
cellular health is we need healthy cell walls. The cell
(08:42):
wall is what allows nutrients to go in and out
of the cell. It's going to allow we have this,
it should be a nice fluid cell wall, and then
when we get cell breakdown, which we always get right
with growth and development, if we've got the right amount
of the omega three fats, which are their anti inflammatory,
(09:06):
we're going to have more of a neutral or an
anti inflammatory impact when we do have that cell breakdown. So,
for example, if we take a kiddo and we start
adding maybe they don't have enough omega three fats, which
means they're not eating salm, a cold water fish like salmon, mackerel, tuna.
(09:27):
Those are the foods and chiac, flax seed, hempseed that
have omega three fats, so there aren't a ton of
them and they aren't really the foods that we eat,
especially in this country. So we take a kiddo with
a cell wall that's not super healthy, and then maybe
the parents have read and researched and they'll start adding
(09:48):
in a lot of different supplements. We won't get the
response that we could get if we don't have a
really good healthy cell wall. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, it does. And I feel like this is not
something that's commonly talked about, like we talk about gut
health more often, or we talk about like absorption, but
I don't think a lot of people understand like the
cell wall concept. Like I know, this is pretty new
to me, and I've done a lot of research and health.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yes, and it's when on our team. So I have
a really amazing integrative pharmacist of Allen, and it was
bringing both of our different backgrounds and training together and
that we've really developed this process that we use. And
so as we start to talk about how do we
(10:38):
create these healthy cell walls, we need fat. But if
we start putting fat into a system that is into
a digestive system that isn't working optimally and that is inflame,
which many of your listeners will know the term leaky gut,
and I think we've started to throw that term around,
but people forget about what are the things that you
(11:01):
actually need? Right? How much omega three fats do I need?
How much magnesium do I need? We've got to have
adequate amounts of these things so that we can digest,
whether it's food or supplements that we're putting in. So
when we start, before we even start with the omega
three fat is, we start with a probiotic and we
(11:25):
use a single strain soil based probiotic that is extremely gentle.
And this it's a really robot it's called Lactobacillus plantarum.
Are you know, it's called planidophius, the one that we use,
and it when it hits the gut, it increases, the
(11:47):
count increases, and it's it feeds the other good healthy bacteria.
And Katie, I know you've done tons of research on
probiotics and gut health, and we all know that probiotics
can transiently change the environment of the gut. It's not
like you give a probiotic and then you've got all
kinds of Lactobicillas plantarum. It's about shifting the terrain. And
(12:11):
so we do it. And this is how it's a
little bit different in our practice. Is we really specifically
do it at the start of breakfast and dinner because
we get we all get a bump in inflammation when
we eat, right, we have our cell wall excuse me,
we've got the lining of our gi tract and when
(12:33):
you eat, you get absorption of different molecules into the bloodstream,
and if we're absorbing undigested fruit, proteins or food particles,
we get an increase in inflammation and so and I'll
take a pause there, but that's where we start to
see fat inflammation can look like bumps on the back
(12:56):
of the skin, the cheeks, exzema outbreaks, rosy cheeks, runny nose,
you know, dark circles under the eyes right asthma flares,
recurrent illnesses. So it's we're starting right at the basis
of with the meals and that that probiotics starts to
(13:17):
decrease inflammation, and it enhances our digestion and it also
is very supportive to the immune system. So when we're
starting with this foundation, a lot of times in our
practice we're not having to go on and do a
ton of really complex things, or we definitely use different
(13:40):
supplements and things, but we really food is the foundation
and setting the digestion and the cellular health.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, that's so fascinating to me, And I know OMEGA
three deficiency is very common. In fact, I recently did
super comprehensive lab testing and that was one of my
only ones that was out of range, was that omega
threes could be and I feel like I do eat
a lot of seafood to it made me aware of
just how important this probably is, especially in the modern diet.
And also I love that concept of shifting the terrain
(14:10):
and being aware of specific timing. I feel like that
aspect is not often talked about of not just what
we eat and take, but when we eat intake. And
as another example of that, for instance, eating the same
amount of food, protein, calories, everything, but shifting more protein
and nutrient density earlier in the day, I noticed a
change in my hormones and my sleep, and it really
(14:31):
illustrated for me how much timing can be a tool
when we understand it. So yeah, I would love to
go even deeper on this topic and talk about MAGA
three seem like a big part of it. Timing seems important.
How do we understanding this concept of supporting the cell wall?
Is there kind of like a timeline we follow or
steps that we follow in order to give our body
the best shot at that?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah? Absolutely, and I'll of course give you a link
that has our integrative supplement guide. But we start supplements,
I treat some implementious like medications, so we start one
at a time for anywhere from three to seven days,
just depends on how your child is responding. We want
to know if they respond good or bad, and so
we do the lack of Basilla's plantarum. We do it
(15:14):
at the start of breakfast and dinner, and after that
we start a digestive enzyme. So that then is we
use a plant based a very powerful enzyme and it
has light pace in it. It has light pace breaks
down fats, protease breaks down proteins, and it has some
other enzymes in it. But those are some of the
(15:36):
biggies that I wanted to talk about today because we
want to get that in place because when we start
to add the fish oil is what we usually use
as omega three fat is, we want that to be
broken down and absorbed. So fats make up our hormones,
and especially no matter what age we're talking about, right,
(15:57):
if it's a kiddo, right, they need their growth hormone,
their testosterone or estrogen. You know, if we're right, I'm
through menopause, so I want to make sure all of
my fats are being absorbed. You are a lot younger
than I am, so it's a write a different stage.
And then so our fats are going to make up
(16:20):
those cell walls in addition to our hormones and vitamin D. Right,
vitamin D is a really big part of our immune system.
And the backbone of vitamin D is a cholesterol. And
when we are looking at the proteases of the proteins,
proteins get broken down and absorbed and they make up
our neurotransmitters. Right, So our dopamine that helps us think
(16:42):
and do our math and make decisions. Serotonin, which helps
motility of our gi track. It also helps us feel good.
Serotonin is also the precursor to melatonin. Right, Melatonin helps
us fall asleep, and then gabba is another urotransmitter that
helps us stay asleep. So when we because we often
(17:05):
get calls and emails of you know, what can we
do to help sleep? What can we help to do
all these we don't ever veer off of start these things,
you know, get our fish oil and then we'll add
those other things. As we know, we've got digestion and
a really healthy cell walls being created.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, I feel like these steps get overlooked so often,
and probably for kids especially, and how quickly they respond
to things can make a drastic difference. Like I'm sure
you see kids just like have complete transformations all the
time in your practice, and I know you do this
with so many families. I love that you also brought
up enzymes. This was something I have been experimenting with
even from supporting like strength training and the ability to
(17:48):
build muscle, especially in conjunction with protein, which I love
any chance we get to talk about protein, especially for
growing kids. And I have a bunch of youth athletes
in my house and so this is something we talk
about often. You also mentioned vitamin D. I also love
anytime we could do step on the soapbox and talk
about vitamin D and especially sunlight and natural light exposure.
I know for me personally, this has been absolutely life
(18:11):
changing to be aware of and really dial in my
light exposure. And I went from very fair skinned Irish
Scottish background sunburning all the time to now with an
anti inflammatory diet and very careful sun exposure. I feel
like my vitamin D levels are eighty six, which I've
never had in my life. I feel great, my skin
is better, but I feel like for kids especially that
(18:32):
can be a really important factor, which I know is
tough when they're in school all day. But I would
love for you to speak a little more on protein
and sunlight because I feel like those are kids are
going to eat anyway, so they if we can make
more protein in their diet and or get them outside more,
those are relatively free tools that can make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes, exactly. So the first thing about sunshine is I
will always like we will we supplement vitamin D in
the winter time because most people where we live are
not going to get enough. If you were naked on
your roofs all day long, you wouldn't synthesize enough vitamin D.
But in the summertime, I always want kids to go
(19:10):
off of vitamin D. And it takes depending upon the
you know, the pigment of your skin. It can take
anywhere from fifteen minutes to an hour to synthesize the
amount of vitamin D you need a day, and you
don't synthesize it when you have sunscreen on. So we
want to do it, but we don't want to burn
and write, especially newborns and younger babies. You want to
(19:32):
be very careful with that. But I'd always prefer we
get our vitamin D naturally whenever possible. And then that also,
and the body is so beautifully designed that if you're
because vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, right, A, D, E,
and K are all fat soluble, and which means you
(19:53):
can overdose on them if you're taking them as a supplement.
But the body, if you're in the sunshine for a
long period of time and your vitamin D levels are
building up, your body will start to photo degrade the
vitamin D. And it's which is the body is incredible, right.
And in addition to all of that, especially in the morning,
(20:14):
you want that sunlight to hit your retina and that's
going to help sleep at night. Right, is we're always
trying to give something to sleep at night, but what
you do during the day is impacts how you sleep
and when you sleep. That's how the right we get
this autophogy of the GI tract and the turnover of
cell So it's all of those things are going to
(20:37):
be enhanced with vitamin D. And we've got vitamin D
is more like a hormone than a vitamin. We have
a receptor on almost every cell of the body and
it plays a huge role in the immune system.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, it's so fascinating. I just to echo like getting
enough enough of the right kind of light exposure has
changed my life so much, and also minimizing artificial light
exposure at night, which for kids, I feel like they've
responded a most instantly when you adapt the light environment.
And that's one thing that once we set up in
our home and create the environment, it's relatively hands off
and no extra effort required and can make such a
(21:13):
big difference. You said, understandably, kids in sleep is a
big question for you in pediatrics, and that's one thing
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turns out maybe not, or at least there's more nuance here.
One of the largest bone house studies ever conducted followed
thousands of women taking calcium and oral vitamin D daily
and the results were surprising, but not in the way
(21:54):
you would think. They saw no significant reduction in their
risk of fractures and they saw no improved bone density.
So all those calcium pills might not be doing what
we think, and it turns out they might actually be counterproductive.
But here's where it gets interesting. A brand new study
found that women who did one thing every morning consistently
for six months gained seven percent bone density, which is massive.
(22:17):
This is the same amount of bone mass the average
person loses over the course of five years after a
certain age. So what did they do. It was not
a medication or even a workout. Came down to one
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a lot of people, especially people over fifty, are making
this one simple change and seeing massive results. I'm sure
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Speaker 1 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I have tasted these vitamins and they're delicious. My kids
are the ones who really love them, though, and I
love that they're getting the nutrients they need without the sugar.
Because most children's vitamins are basically candy in disguise, with
up to two teaspoons of sugar and dyes and unhealthy
chemicals or gummy additives that we don't want our kids
to have. So Haya created a superpowered children's vitamin that's
(23:48):
chewable without the sugar or the nasty additives, and it
tastes great. My little ones love it. They especially are
designed to fill the most common gaps in modern children's
diets to provide full body nourishment with a taste kid's love.
And it was formulated with the help of pediatricians and
nutritional experts and pressed with a blend of twelve organic
fruits and vegetables, then supercharged with fifteen essential vitamins and
(24:11):
minerals including vitamin D, B, twelve C, zinc, and folate,
among others. It's also non GMO, vegan, dairy free, allergy free,
gelatine free, that free, and everything else you can imagine.
I love that they test every single batch with third
party testing for heavy metals and microbials in a qualified
GMP compliant lab using scientifically validated testing methods, so you
(24:33):
can be completely at ease knowing it's safe and nutritious.
And it's designed for kids and sent straight to your
door so you don't have to worry about ordering. My
kids really like these, and I love that refills show
up on schedule with no stress. Also again, honorable mention
to their new Greens because if you are tired of
battling your kids to eat more greens, they're daily. Greens
(24:54):
Plus Superfoods is a chocolate flavored greens powder designed specifically
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kids the full body nourishment they need. Back to the
digestion side, I've heard before. You know, it's not what
we eat, it's what we digest and absorb. And that
applies to food, that applies to supplements, that applies to
(25:39):
how our organs are functioning and the nutrients we're uptaking,
and so much so I would guess also this is
a massive pivot point in the work that you do
with people when they come in if they have any
kind of digestive issue going on. What are some of
the other ways we can encourage really healthy digestion in
our kids and take this into account to give them
the healthiest digestion and then as a byproduct, nutrient absorption
(26:01):
and overall health.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, so we have right our lack, we have our
single strain probiotic, We've got our digestive enzyme. We're adding
in our good healthy omega three fats, our vitamin D,
and we want to make sure that we're activating the
parasympathetic nervous system, right, because that is where in medical
school we learn it as feed and breed, meaning those
(26:26):
are the things that when you need your parasympathetic nervous
system when you're eating, because and that's that relaxation side.
So that's going to be walking outside barefooted, deep breathing,
extending your exhalation longer than your inhalation, playing, doing the
(26:47):
things that make you feel good. Because we can have
perfect supplements in perfect diet, but if we're in a
stressed state, that is going to shift our blood flow.
Blood foat's going to shift away from the gut to
the arms in the legs so that we can run
away from that stress or that line in the forest
(27:08):
that for a lot of us just stays because we're
on our phones. We're on right. Maybe maybe parents have
some stress at home, and stress isn't always bad. I don't.
I always want to be clear about that stress can
motivate us. Right, we made study for a test, do
you know, do the things that we need to do.
We just need those toolbox and we need every single day.
(27:30):
We need those periods of time where we're activating the
parasympathetic nervous system. Is that also going to release the
salivary juices from our mouth which begin the digestive process.
They're going to release the help with the digestive enzymes,
they're going to help with the motility of the GI track. Right,
(27:51):
so that we have a good ball movement every day,
and the being paying attention to that as a parent,
because what's happening with our systems impacts what's happening to
the kids, So we want to be very cognizant of
it for ourselves so that we're creating the environment for digestion, right,
(28:15):
And that's why we talk about sitting down and eating
and having you know, who are we eating with having
a meal that our digestion is relaxed, our system is relaxed,
so that we can optimize digestion, vitamin absorption, right, the
immune system, everything is going to be enhanced, and the
(28:37):
healing process is triggered. When we're activating the parasympathetic nervous system.
Ourt rate's going to go down, Respiratory rate's going to
go down. And it's a critical piece that we really
don't learn about in medical school and residency, and it's
(28:58):
completely overlooked and it's a harder piece of the puzzle.
Right Sometimes for parents is easier to put on, to
add some supplements on and think okay, this is good,
or even to change the diet. But the nervous system
is a critical component of this. And I wanted to
(29:18):
say one other thing about because we're talking about the
digestive enzymes are the when you're talking about recovery from
whether it's weight training, physical activity, whatever it is you're doing.
Those enzyme there are the proteases in the enzyme. There
are times you can take those on an empty stomach.
You know. We have ones that are just it's just
(29:40):
a high dose protease and that is going to get
absorbed into the bloodstream and that's going to help with
oxygen exchange, detoxification again with the immune system. So there
are different ways, which that's where we talk about the
timing of things also that we're going to chance the
(30:01):
utilization of what we're talking about. And part of what
I love about these is that it's using the body's
natural processes and proteases also help with biofilm disruption, which
is an entirely different discussion, but it's all of the
things that are working when we're setting the foundation to
(30:23):
keep the kids right off of ana behind. Next we're
building that resiliency. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And as you were talking about, you know, spending time
outside on the sunlight, barefoot and playing in these nervous
system regulating modalities, I was thinking, how wonderful that kids
are naturally inclined to a lot of those things. If
we can just support their natural inclinations, they kind of
come out of the box with those things programmed in
and we can actually learn from them in that aspect.
And it sounds like there are definitely commonalities in how
(30:51):
as you're talking about, and also some things that are
a little bit specific to children. So I'd love to
hear a little bit like what are the similarities and
differences between children and adults when it comes to implementing
these steps, or are there any extra cautions we need
to understand with children at various ages.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, so, way that we do this and the products
that we use, the supplements we use are safe, right,
We're looking at ingredients and we dose based upon weight
and age. So it's actually very similar whether it's a
you know, a one or two month old or you
know a thirty or fifty year old. We have supplement
(31:31):
cards with dosing based on age and so the probiotic
and that's also because it's so gentle. And if you
have compromised digestion and what does that mean if you
have floating gasiness, you know, belly aches, especially blegs after
you eat. This is a great gentle nudge. And when
it comes to the digestive nzimes, the one thing you
(31:52):
want to be careful about is if you have something
called a sinophilico sulphagitis or maybe an undiagnosed ulcer, that
we may have to wait, start to work with the
family a little bit before we start that, and then
we would start the digestive enzyme's mid meal, because that
can if you've got raw tissue along the lining of
(32:13):
your esophagus, that can create some irritation and they'll have pain.
You'll know immediately, and so you want to stop it,
weight work a little bit more and then you can
restart it. And same thing with the omega three fats, right,
you just want to make sure, like if we have
a kid with significant loose stools, we're going to work
(32:35):
and get those loose stools resolved or improved significantly before
we start adding in those fats because that's right, you
have a really quick transient time if you've got loose
stools or diarrhea, and so your body is not taking
that time. It's not breaking down things and absorbing them.
(32:56):
And so it's really it's this is across the board,
and we have families do things all together. And we'll
have parents who right, they'll get off their intacit meds,
they'll stop their migraine medications, they'll decreate you know, antihistamines,
you know asthma medications. And again, it doesn't have to
(33:17):
be a super complex. That's the thing is I think
we missed the forest through the trees. Is we just
have to start. You just have to start with the basics.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, that seems like a recurring lesson for me is
not to underestimate the simple things. They can actually be
often the most effective and profound, especially when done consistently
and intentionally. And you've given already so many practical takeaways.
I've made tons of show notes and I'll make sure
I link to your website into your work because I
know you have so many resources for parents. If someone
(33:48):
is listening today and they are maybe a little bit overwhelmed,
or their child has some of these things we've talked about,
what is a good baby step for them to start
with and where can they find you and keep learning
from you.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, So my website is Sheila Kilbay dot com and
it's I have a book and it's really the book
is it's a very easy read, short chapters, it's all
the color photos. It's got. The first ten chapters are
the science, the second section is the how to, and
(34:20):
then the third section are recipes. And I've got an
appendix with all you know omega three fats for example,
how do we know if we need to supplement? You
go through and I have listed out right how much
do they need? What are the foods that have it?
Similar to vitamin D and it's we have a lot
of tree resources online as well, and it's just taking
(34:43):
those first baby steps amazing. Well.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I will link to all of those in the show
notes for any of you listening on the go, I
highly recommend doctor Sheila and her work. You're absolutely incredible.
I love anytime I get to chat with you. And
we're going to get to do another episodes, you guys,
stay tuned for that one. We're going to talk about
the nervous system. But doctor Shila for this episode, thank
you so much. I learned a lot. I'm so grateful
for your time. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Thanks Katie, I always enjoy talking to you, and.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Thank you as always for listening, and I hope you
will join me again on the next episode of the
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(04:42):
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and has written and worked extensively in this area of
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to implement integrative medicine into their practices as well, and
gives educational lectures to parents and professionals around the globe.
One pivotal moment was during the pandemic when Jeffrey Bland,
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to identify the root cause of children's honesses. She has
an absolute wealth and knowledge, as you will hear today,
a lot of practical takeaways and some very nuanced things
about the order and the steps for supporting cell wall
health and so much more, especially in our kids.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So let's jump in.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Doctor Sheila, Welcome back, Thank you for being here again.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Thank you. It's so great to be back. I haven't
chatted with you in a while, and I enjoyed our
last podcast very much. Me too.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
We're long overdue for a catchup and it's so fun
to get to record it. And in this episode, we're
going to go deep on the topic of true nourishment
and from depletion to thriving for the whole family, actually
getting to address the kid's side as well, which I
feel like is really important. Before we jump in, I
also wanted to hear a little bit more because you
shared before that you have four kidneys, which is very uncommon.
(05:59):
To begin with, you joked that if anyone ever needs
a kidney, to call you, but seemingly this actually happened,
and I would love to hear this story. I don't
think I know anybody else with four kidneys.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So it's called a duplicate system, and so I have
two kidneys put together on each side, and which means
I also have two ureters on each side, and I
have As a kid, I used to get these very
high fevers and ended up taking you know, I got
a big work out and took antibiotics for six months,
and I've been fine ever since. But in my book,
(06:29):
I wrote that I kind of jokingly I'll say, or
when I do talks, I'll say, if you ever need
a kidney, you know where to come. And somebody emailed
it's the sweetest thing, just saying what she knew somebody
who did need a kidney, and was that a possibility?
And unfortunately, because they're put together on each side, it's
not like you could just, you know, take one of
(06:51):
them out. I wouldn't have three left, so I had
to graciously declined. But I thought that was the kindest
thing of this person to reach out for her friend.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh that is so sweet, and you have so much expertise.
I've chatted with you before about nuances of pediatric care
and how we can help our kids thrive, and in
this one, I want to really dive into a topic
that I know you work day to day with so
many families, which is the idea of understanding like nourishment
at a true cellular level within the body and what
(07:23):
it actually looks like to move from a more depleted
state to absolutely thriving, especially for our kids. And I've
heard you talk about setting the foundation before and getting
the body ready before adding things on or adding supplements,
and I've talked about this in a corollary way, finding
it out on my own that if we don't have
these foundational pieces in place, yes we can take supplements,
(07:44):
but we're not going to get the maximal benefit that
we might if we build this foundation first. So I
love this topic and I would love for you to
walk us through what does that foundation look like? How
do we build that foundation so that the things that
we do that are more nuanced or more expensive actually
are more effective as well.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, so when kids, often we'll have families come to us.
The kids may have exema, they may have asthma, they
may have had recurrent illnesses, and we've kind of accepted
in our world that kids are going to be on
two or three rounds of antibiotics each year, and that
just isn't the case. And early on when I started practicing,
(08:22):
that didn't make sense to me either. So when we're
setting the foundation, we are starting to look at digestion,
at cellular health, at what nutrients are actually needed. And
one of the things, especially when we're talking about good
cellular health is we need healthy cell walls. The cell
(08:42):
wall is what allows nutrients to go in and out
of the cell. It's going to allow we have this,
it should be a nice fluid cell wall, and then
when we get cell breakdown, which we always get right
with growth and development, if we've got the right amount
of the omega three fats, which are their anti inflammatory,
(09:06):
we're going to have more of a neutral or an
anti inflammatory impact when we do have that cell breakdown. So,
for example, if we take a kiddo and we start
adding maybe they don't have enough omega three fats, which
means they're not eating salm, a cold water fish like salmon, mackerel, tuna.
(09:27):
Those are the foods and chiac, flax seed, hempseed that
have omega three fats, so there aren't a ton of
them and they aren't really the foods that we eat,
especially in this country. So we take a kiddo with
a cell wall that's not super healthy, and then maybe
the parents have read and researched and they'll start adding
(09:48):
in a lot of different supplements. We won't get the
response that we could get if we don't have a
really good healthy cell wall. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, it does. And I feel like this is not
something that's commonly talked about, like we talk about gut
health more often, or we talk about like absorption, but
I don't think a lot of people understand like the
cell wall concept. Like I know, this is pretty new
to me, and I've done a lot of research and health.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yes, and it's when on our team. So I have
a really amazing integrative pharmacist of Allen, and it was
bringing both of our different backgrounds and training together and
that we've really developed this process that we use. And
so as we start to talk about how do we
(10:38):
create these healthy cell walls, we need fat. But if
we start putting fat into a system that is into
a digestive system that isn't working optimally and that is inflame,
which many of your listeners will know the term leaky gut,
and I think we've started to throw that term around,
but people forget about what are the things that you
(11:01):
actually need? Right? How much omega three fats do I need?
How much magnesium do I need? We've got to have
adequate amounts of these things so that we can digest,
whether it's food or supplements that we're putting in. So
when we start, before we even start with the omega
three fat is, we start with a probiotic and we
(11:25):
use a single strain soil based probiotic that is extremely gentle.
And this it's a really robot it's called Lactobacillus plantarum.
Are you know, it's called planidophius, the one that we use,
and it when it hits the gut, it increases, the
(11:47):
count increases, and it's it feeds the other good healthy bacteria.
And Katie, I know you've done tons of research on
probiotics and gut health, and we all know that probiotics
can transiently change the environment of the gut. It's not
like you give a probiotic and then you've got all
kinds of Lactobicillas plantarum. It's about shifting the terrain. And
(12:11):
so we do it. And this is how it's a
little bit different in our practice. Is we really specifically
do it at the start of breakfast and dinner because
we get we all get a bump in inflammation when
we eat, right, we have our cell wall excuse me,
we've got the lining of our gi tract and when
(12:33):
you eat, you get absorption of different molecules into the bloodstream,
and if we're absorbing undigested fruit, proteins or food particles,
we get an increase in inflammation and so and I'll
take a pause there, but that's where we start to
see fat inflammation can look like bumps on the back
(12:56):
of the skin, the cheeks, exzema outbreaks, rosy cheeks, runny nose,
you know, dark circles under the eyes right asthma flares,
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decrease inflammation, and it enhances our digestion and it also
is very supportive to the immune system. So when we're
starting with this foundation, a lot of times in our
practice we're not having to go on and do a
ton of really complex things, or we definitely use different
(13:40):
supplements and things, but we really food is the foundation
and setting the digestion and the cellular health.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, that's so fascinating to me, And I know OMEGA
three deficiency is very common. In fact, I recently did
super comprehensive lab testing and that was one of my
only ones that was out of range, was that omega
threes could be and I feel like I do eat
a lot of seafood to it made me aware of
just how important this probably is, especially in the modern diet.
And also I love that concept of shifting the terrain
(14:10):
and being aware of specific timing. I feel like that
aspect is not often talked about of not just what
we eat and take, but when we eat intake. And
as another example of that, for instance, eating the same
amount of food, protein, calories, everything, but shifting more protein
and nutrient density earlier in the day, I noticed a
change in my hormones and my sleep, and it really
(14:31):
illustrated for me how much timing can be a tool
when we understand it. So yeah, I would love to
go even deeper on this topic and talk about MAGA
three seem like a big part of it. Timing seems important.
How do we understanding this concept of supporting the cell wall?
Is there kind of like a timeline we follow or
steps that we follow in order to give our body
the best shot at that?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah? Absolutely, and I'll of course give you a link
that has our integrative supplement guide. But we start supplements,
I treat some implementious like medications, so we start one
at a time for anywhere from three to seven days,
just depends on how your child is responding. We want
to know if they respond good or bad, and so
we do the lack of Basilla's plantarum. We do it
(15:14):
at the start of breakfast and dinner, and after that
we start a digestive enzyme. So that then is we
use a plant based a very powerful enzyme and it
has light pace in it. It has light pace breaks
down fats, protease breaks down proteins, and it has some
other enzymes in it. But those are some of the
(15:36):
biggies that I wanted to talk about today because we
want to get that in place because when we start
to add the fish oil is what we usually use
as omega three fat is, we want that to be
broken down and absorbed. So fats make up our hormones,
and especially no matter what age we're talking about, right,
(15:57):
if it's a kiddo, right, they need their growth hormone,
their testosterone or estrogen. You know, if we're right, I'm
through menopause, so I want to make sure all of
my fats are being absorbed. You are a lot younger
than I am, so it's a write a different stage.
And then so our fats are going to make up
(16:20):
those cell walls in addition to our hormones and vitamin D. Right,
vitamin D is a really big part of our immune system.
And the backbone of vitamin D is a cholesterol. And
when we are looking at the proteases of the proteins,
proteins get broken down and absorbed and they make up
our neurotransmitters. Right, So our dopamine that helps us think
(16:42):
and do our math and make decisions. Serotonin, which helps
motility of our gi track. It also helps us feel good.
Serotonin is also the precursor to melatonin. Right, Melatonin helps
us fall asleep, and then gabba is another urotransmitter that
helps us stay asleep. So when we because we often
(17:05):
get calls and emails of you know, what can we
do to help sleep? What can we help to do
all these we don't ever veer off of start these things,
you know, get our fish oil and then we'll add
those other things. As we know, we've got digestion and
a really healthy cell walls being created.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, I feel like these steps get overlooked so often,
and probably for kids especially, and how quickly they respond
to things can make a drastic difference. Like I'm sure
you see kids just like have complete transformations all the
time in your practice, and I know you do this
with so many families. I love that you also brought
up enzymes. This was something I have been experimenting with
even from supporting like strength training and the ability to
(17:48):
build muscle, especially in conjunction with protein, which I love
any chance we get to talk about protein, especially for
growing kids. And I have a bunch of youth athletes
in my house and so this is something we talk
about often. You also mentioned vitamin D. I also love
anytime we could do step on the soapbox and talk
about vitamin D and especially sunlight and natural light exposure.
I know for me personally, this has been absolutely life
(18:11):
changing to be aware of and really dial in my
light exposure. And I went from very fair skinned Irish
Scottish background sunburning all the time to now with an
anti inflammatory diet and very careful sun exposure. I feel
like my vitamin D levels are eighty six, which I've
never had in my life. I feel great, my skin
is better, but I feel like for kids especially that
(18:32):
can be a really important factor, which I know is
tough when they're in school all day. But I would
love for you to speak a little more on protein
and sunlight because I feel like those are kids are
going to eat anyway, so they if we can make
more protein in their diet and or get them outside more,
those are relatively free tools that can make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes, exactly. So the first thing about sunshine is I
will always like we will we supplement vitamin D in
the winter time because most people where we live are
not going to get enough. If you were naked on
your roofs all day long, you wouldn't synthesize enough vitamin D.
But in the summertime, I always want kids to go
(19:10):
off of vitamin D. And it takes depending upon the
you know, the pigment of your skin. It can take
anywhere from fifteen minutes to an hour to synthesize the
amount of vitamin D you need a day, and you
don't synthesize it when you have sunscreen on. So we
want to do it, but we don't want to burn
and write, especially newborns and younger babies. You want to
(19:32):
be very careful with that. But I'd always prefer we
get our vitamin D naturally whenever possible. And then that also,
and the body is so beautifully designed that if you're
because vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, right, A, D, E,
and K are all fat soluble, and which means you
(19:53):
can overdose on them if you're taking them as a supplement.
But the body, if you're in the sunshine for a
long period of time and your vitamin D levels are
building up, your body will start to photo degrade the
vitamin D. And it's which is the body is incredible, right.
And in addition to all of that, especially in the morning,
(20:14):
you want that sunlight to hit your retina and that's
going to help sleep at night. Right, is we're always
trying to give something to sleep at night, but what
you do during the day is impacts how you sleep
and when you sleep. That's how the right we get
this autophogy of the GI tract and the turnover of
cell So it's all of those things are going to
(20:37):
be enhanced with vitamin D. And we've got vitamin D
is more like a hormone than a vitamin. We have
a receptor on almost every cell of the body and
it plays a huge role in the immune system.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, it's so fascinating. I just to echo like getting
enough enough of the right kind of light exposure has
changed my life so much, and also minimizing artificial light
exposure at night, which for kids, I feel like they've
responded a most instantly when you adapt the light environment.
And that's one thing that once we set up in
our home and create the environment, it's relatively hands off
and no extra effort required and can make such a
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But here's where it gets interesting. A brand new study
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for six months gained seven percent bone density, which is massive.
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person loses over the course of five years after a
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kids the full body nourishment they need. Back to the
digestion side, I've heard before. You know, it's not what
we eat, it's what we digest and absorb. And that
applies to food, that applies to supplements, that applies to
(25:39):
how our organs are functioning and the nutrients we're uptaking,
and so much so I would guess also this is
a massive pivot point in the work that you do
with people when they come in if they have any
kind of digestive issue going on. What are some of
the other ways we can encourage really healthy digestion in
our kids and take this into account to give them
the healthiest digestion and then as a byproduct, nutrient absorption
(26:01):
and overall health.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, so we have right our lack, we have our
single strain probiotic, We've got our digestive enzyme. We're adding
in our good healthy omega three fats, our vitamin D,
and we want to make sure that we're activating the
parasympathetic nervous system, right, because that is where in medical
school we learn it as feed and breed, meaning those
(26:26):
are the things that when you need your parasympathetic nervous
system when you're eating, because and that's that relaxation side.
So that's going to be walking outside barefooted, deep breathing,
extending your exhalation longer than your inhalation, playing, doing the
(26:47):
things that make you feel good. Because we can have
perfect supplements in perfect diet, but if we're in a
stressed state, that is going to shift our blood flow.
Blood foat's going to shift away from the gut to
the arms in the legs so that we can run
away from that stress or that line in the forest
(27:08):
that for a lot of us just stays because we're
on our phones. We're on right. Maybe maybe parents have
some stress at home, and stress isn't always bad. I don't.
I always want to be clear about that stress can
motivate us. Right, we made study for a test, do
you know, do the things that we need to do.
We just need those toolbox and we need every single day.
(27:30):
We need those periods of time where we're activating the
parasympathetic nervous system. Is that also going to release the
salivary juices from our mouth which begin the digestive process.
They're going to release the help with the digestive enzymes,
they're going to help with the motility of the GI track. Right,
(27:51):
so that we have a good ball movement every day,
and the being paying attention to that as a parent,
because what's happening with our systems impacts what's happening to
the kids, So we want to be very cognizant of
it for ourselves so that we're creating the environment for digestion, right,
(28:15):
And that's why we talk about sitting down and eating
and having you know, who are we eating with having
a meal that our digestion is relaxed, our system is relaxed,
so that we can optimize digestion, vitamin absorption, right, the
immune system, everything is going to be enhanced, and the
(28:37):
healing process is triggered. When we're activating the parasympathetic nervous system.
Ourt rate's going to go down, Respiratory rate's going to
go down. And it's a critical piece that we really
don't learn about in medical school and residency, and it's
(28:58):
completely overlooked and it's a harder piece of the puzzle.
Right Sometimes for parents is easier to put on, to
add some supplements on and think okay, this is good,
or even to change the diet. But the nervous system
is a critical component of this. And I wanted to
(29:18):
say one other thing about because we're talking about the
digestive enzymes are the when you're talking about recovery from
whether it's weight training, physical activity, whatever it is you're doing.
Those enzyme there are the proteases in the enzyme. There
are times you can take those on an empty stomach.
You know. We have ones that are just it's just
(29:40):
a high dose protease and that is going to get
absorbed into the bloodstream and that's going to help with
oxygen exchange, detoxification again with the immune system. So there
are different ways, which that's where we talk about the
timing of things also that we're going to chance the
(30:01):
utilization of what we're talking about. And part of what
I love about these is that it's using the body's
natural processes and proteases also help with biofilm disruption, which
is an entirely different discussion, but it's all of the
things that are working when we're setting the foundation to
(30:23):
keep the kids right off of ana behind. Next we're
building that resiliency. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And as you were talking about, you know, spending time
outside on the sunlight, barefoot and playing in these nervous
system regulating modalities, I was thinking, how wonderful that kids
are naturally inclined to a lot of those things. If
we can just support their natural inclinations, they kind of
come out of the box with those things programmed in
and we can actually learn from them in that aspect.
And it sounds like there are definitely commonalities in how
(30:51):
as you're talking about, and also some things that are
a little bit specific to children. So I'd love to
hear a little bit like what are the similarities and
differences between children and adults when it comes to implementing
these steps, or are there any extra cautions we need
to understand with children at various ages.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, so, way that we do this and the products
that we use, the supplements we use are safe, right,
We're looking at ingredients and we dose based upon weight
and age. So it's actually very similar whether it's a
you know, a one or two month old or you
know a thirty or fifty year old. We have supplement
(31:31):
cards with dosing based on age and so the probiotic
and that's also because it's so gentle. And if you
have compromised digestion and what does that mean if you
have floating gasiness, you know, belly aches, especially blegs after
you eat. This is a great gentle nudge. And when
it comes to the digestive nzimes, the one thing you
(31:52):
want to be careful about is if you have something
called a sinophilico sulphagitis or maybe an undiagnosed ulcer, that
we may have to wait, start to work with the
family a little bit before we start that, and then
we would start the digestive enzyme's mid meal, because that
can if you've got raw tissue along the lining of
(32:13):
your esophagus, that can create some irritation and they'll have pain.
You'll know immediately, and so you want to stop it,
weight work a little bit more and then you can
restart it. And same thing with the omega three fats, right,
you just want to make sure, like if we have
a kid with significant loose stools, we're going to work
(32:35):
and get those loose stools resolved or improved significantly before
we start adding in those fats because that's right, you
have a really quick transient time if you've got loose
stools or diarrhea, and so your body is not taking
that time. It's not breaking down things and absorbing them.
(32:56):
And so it's really it's this is across the board,
and we have families do things all together. And we'll
have parents who right, they'll get off their intacit meds,
they'll stop their migraine medications, they'll decreate you know, antihistamines,
you know asthma medications. And again, it doesn't have to
(33:17):
be a super complex. That's the thing is I think
we missed the forest through the trees. Is we just
have to start. You just have to start with the basics.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, that seems like a recurring lesson for me is
not to underestimate the simple things. They can actually be
often the most effective and profound, especially when done consistently
and intentionally. And you've given already so many practical takeaways.
I've made tons of show notes and I'll make sure
I link to your website into your work because I
know you have so many resources for parents. If someone
(33:48):
is listening today and they are maybe a little bit overwhelmed,
or their child has some of these things we've talked about,
what is a good baby step for them to start
with and where can they find you and keep learning
from you.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, So my website is Sheila Kilbay dot com and
it's I have a book and it's really the book
is it's a very easy read, short chapters, it's all
the color photos. It's got. The first ten chapters are
the science, the second section is the how to, and
(34:20):
then the third section are recipes. And I've got an
appendix with all you know omega three fats for example,
how do we know if we need to supplement? You
go through and I have listed out right how much
do they need? What are the foods that have it?
Similar to vitamin D and it's we have a lot
of tree resources online as well, and it's just taking
(34:43):
those first baby steps amazing. Well.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I will link to all of those in the show
notes for any of you listening on the go, I
highly recommend doctor Sheila and her work. You're absolutely incredible.
I love anytime I get to chat with you. And
we're going to get to do another episodes, you guys,
stay tuned for that one. We're going to talk about
the nervous system. But doctor Shila for this episode, thank
you so much. I learned a lot. I'm so grateful
for your time. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Thanks Katie, I always enjoy talking to you, and.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Thank you as always for listening, and I hope you
will join me again on the next episode of the
Wellness Maama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews, would you
please take two minutes to leave a rating or review
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find the podcast, which means even more moms and families
could benefit from the information. I really appreciate your time
(35:31):
and thanks as always for listening.
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