November 3, 2025 • 54 mins
Episode Highlights With Carolyn
- Yeast is normal, yeast overgrowth is not
- What to know about yeast
- The introduction of penicillin and how this affected yeast
- How yeast can turn into a mycelial yeast that pokes holes in the small intestine
- Yeast produces 78 known toxins in the body
- It's possible to have enough yeast overgrowth that produces alcohol byproducts that it will make a person fail a breathalyzer test
- How dentistry comes into play and common dental things used contribute to yeast overgrowth
- The difference between SIBO and yeast overgrowth and why yeast is almost always present if there is
- How hormones come into play and why magnesium is so important
- The lesser known symptoms of yeast and why things like rashes can be a good sign
- The thyroid, yeast, and magnesium connection and how supporting magnesium and managing yeast can improve thyroid health
- How hormones, including birth control pills, can lead to yeast overgrowth
- Unique protocols for supporting the body in beating yeast overgrowth and getting back into balance
- The immune system is so affected by yeast that with yeast overgrowth it's easy to develop other infections and conditions
- How parasites come into play and why fixing yeast also helps the body eliminate parasites
- Her protocol for addressing yeast without stressing the body out
- Importance of food based vitamin C and ascorbic acid
- Yeast overgrowth and mineral deficiency are directly related to autoimmune disease and she explains how!
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of knowledge. I've had her on before. We should talk
about minerals, magnesium, and so much more. She is so
well educated and absolute wealth of knowledge. And in this
episode we go into the science of gut check and
especially the surprising signs of yeast overgrowth and what to
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do about it. And as she explains in this episode,
yeast over growth not YaST itself as a problem, but
overgrowth can be related very strongly to things like autoimmune disease,
to parasites, to skin issues, to hormone issues, to all
kinds of problems in the body, and that when we
support the body in addressing yeast overgrowth, we actually help
the body get all of those other things into balance
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as well, including thyroid. She makes a strong connection with
autoimmune disease, with cebo, with gut problems and why those
things are all so related. And she's so fascinating. She's
both a medical doctor and a natural path and an
author with over thirty five books, including bestsellers like The
Magnesium Miracle, Total Body Reset, and more. And she, as
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you will hear, has such depth of experience and research
as well as very practical solutions for these problems. And
she has been working to really educate and bring help
to people around these topics for such a long time.
It's an absolute honor to have her here. Let's jump
in and learn. Carolyn, welcome back, and thank you for
being here again.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Thank you. It's great to be back. It was only
three months ago. This is pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm so excited to get to chat again so soon
and you're back because I learned so much from you
and we ran out of time of all of the
many things we could have covered, and we didn't even
get into something that you are a deep expert on,
which is the science of yeast overgrowth. And I know
this could be a multi episode topic just by itself,
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but you've said before that yeast is normal, yeast overgrowth
is not. So can you kind of give us a
background explanation of what that means and what we need
to know about yeast?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, Yes, yeast is normal in the large intestine. So
what happened back in the I guess the late forties
when pendicillin was created and then it started to be used.
Within one year, the doctors were saying, oh, we're getting
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Candida albicans growth with the odd tongue itching in women vaginitis.
They were describing external features of yeast overgrowth. Even back
then they knew there was a problem, and over the
years it just it got put aside. It It wasn't
until the mid eighties when doctor William Crook and doctor
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Orion Trust started writing in popular books for the public
on this problem that they were seeing in their practices,
which is give people antibiotics and what we know now
is it kills off all the good and bad bacteria.
And when the small intestine does not have the balance
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of bacteria. It'll be a vacuum into which the candida
yeast from the large intestine can just sort of crawl
up looking for food. And if your diet happens to
have a lot of simple carbs like sugars, then they're
being fed. And the other crazy thing about this migration
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is that a budding yeast will turn into a thread
like myschilia yeast, which then these yeast researchers are saying,
it's going to be poking holes in the small intestine,
which will allow yeast toxins, undigested food, chemicals, whatever, to
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be absorbed. And then if you think of yeast itself
and alone, it's got seventy eight different toxins just produced
by its metabolism, and they're going to be absorbed. So
if these seventy eight toxins, the ones that are really dangerous,
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I would say, is acid aldehyde. Acid Aldehyde will damage
any tissue in the body. And the other thing that
produce acet aldehyde are cigarettes, smoking and gas car exhaust,
really toxic things that we try to avoid. It'll produce
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excess alcohol. You can get to this a state where
you have so much yeast overgrowth and so much of
this metabolic end products that you can fail a breathalyzer test.
This alcohol is so extreme and so that people act
like they're kind of drunk and they get pulled over
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they have a positive breathalyzer. Now it's rare, but the
fact that it can happen, you know, kind of proves
the alcohol side effect. The third one that well, there's
so many cymosans z ymosa and it causes the rashes
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that look like zoriasis. And the last one I'll mention
it's Candada license and that was named because it was
it was discovered in Japanese laboratories I think it was,
and they injected this Candida license substance into rats and
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they just fell over dead. It was so toxic. So
we've got a problem that I mean, we'd have to
say it's eatrogenic, which means doctor induced to a certain
extent with the drugs, with steroids, antibiotics. And then we
look at dentistry mercury, that's a strong antibiotic. It's gonna
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kill off in testino flora. We've got chlorine and fluoride
in the water, and that those are strong antibiotics. And
then we look at the cross reactivity of some of
these East toxins with body organs, especially hormonal organs. Thyroid
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is a big one. I worked with doctor Ari Danny
and he's quite a famous immunologist. He helped me set
up my lab in Toronto where I wanted to, you know,
where the East anybodies. And I also did food antibody
testing and it really didn't work to look for East
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antibodies because everybody has yeast, so everybody test is going
to have yeast. And then we never knew what the
high threshold of serious yeast overgrowth was. So what I
did was just work with doctor William Crook questionnaire he
wrote The Yeast Connection. He's the most famous East researcher.
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And his questionnaire though it was seventy questions seven zero,
and there was a doctor Heidelmann in Norway I think
it was who reduced it to seven questions, and that
seemed to correlate with people who have yeast overgrowth, and
that would the questions would be like do you react
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in a moldy environment? Have you had antibiotics? And there's
three questions about antibiotics. You know how long you've had it?
Have you been pregnant, you suffer from vaginitis, prostatitis, and
do you always feel unwell? So people who answer those questions,
we do have to look at yeast overgrowth. Unfortunately, allopathic
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medicine it doesn't look there. And what I've seen in
even alternative medicine over the past number of years is
they're looking at the small intestinal microbiome as if it's
Cibo sibo small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. So they think the
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bacteria the problem. I don't know if they just don't
look for yeast, but any small intestinal imbalance it's going
to be driven by yeast overgrowth. So what do they
do for sea boats They give handy biotics, which makes
the problem worse. So I have set the stage.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, that's super fascinating. And as you're explaining that, I'm
thinking of like the holes in the small intestine, leaky
gut and all the implications we know downstream of that
makes sense to me. You mentioned antibiotics as a potential
correlate to these yeast overgrowth. Too many sugary carbs and
you know, sugars in general, that also makes complete sense
to me. And then stress hormones and you mentioned a
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little bit the hormone connection and even pregnancy being on
that questionnaire, I'm curious if things like hormone replacement therapy,
birth control, other stages of life where hormones change, like
how these come into play with the potential for yeast
to get out of balance.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh yeah, definitely. This is where I bring in magnesium.
What did someone commulate the mother of magnesium? So what
would be happening in my customer population and we have
a robust customer service staff, and what would happen when
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people start taking my pikometer stabilized magnesium ions Because with
the ion you can take enough to make a difference
or you don't get the laxative effects. So after a
couple of months on my magnesium, we were getting reports
that people would take Oh my gosh, I felt so
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much better. You know, my sleep was better, my migraines
went away, my heart palpitations went away. But then they said,
oh man, I'm getting a coated tongue and I'm getting
gas and bloating, and I'm getting kind of itchy orifices.
And because I've known about yeast forever, I had my
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own yeast that I realized immediately that these rashes as well,
rashes were that was a big thing, bodies detoxing through
the skin and creating these rashes. So we wouldn't say
to them, oh my gosh, that's terrible and they I
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guess a part of it would be people sort of
blaming the magnesium for not working anymore, and we just say, great,
you're in a place now where your immune systems has
jumped up and is willing to work with this overgrowth
of yeast because of a weakened immune system from the yeast.
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Will actually kind of ignore the yeast because it's natural.
The body thinks, oh, that's natural. I don't have time
for that. I have to deal with other things. But
then magnesium, which is responsible for eighty percent of non
metabolic functions and six eight hundred different enzyme processes in
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the body, the body is going to wake up and
be able to deal with this yeast overgrowth. So I mean,
you can imagine, KAYI the people they're walking into their
doctor's office. And I didn't say this, but in doctor
Crook's questionnaire, there are twenty three major symptoms and thirty
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three minor symptoms of yeast overgrowth. Brain fog, fatigue, poor concentration,
anxiety depression. I mean, you go throughout the whole body,
and it's very symptomatic because of all the toxins and
the way the immune system has to deal with those toxins.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's so fascinating to me, and I think you just
built in a piece that puzzled me for a long time.
So years ago, when I was still working through hashimotos,
before I had reversed that, and when I had like
a lot of other health stuff going on, I noticed
that if I took magnesium enough to actually get my
levels up to arrange where I sort of feeling better,
I would start itching, and so I would always discontinue magnesium,
and I would like, am I allergic to this?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Why?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Why am I having this reaction? And now that I've
done so much also to like reverse other aspects of
health problems, and I feel like I've been a really
good place healthwise. I can take my museum in the
right doses, I feel amazing, and I don't have that anymore.
But I think you just explained why back then I
was noticing that reaction, and you also touched on thyroid issues,
which I think that was obviously a part of my
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story and might be for a lot of people listening
as well. So I would love for you to delve
a little deeper in the connection here with yeast and
thyroid problems, because I've never heard this talked about by
anyone else.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Perfect doctor bush Denny, who I worked with. One of
his papers was on the cross reactivity of yeast talksins
with thyroid receptors. They get blocked. So there is definitely
a correlation between yeast overgrowth and how both thyroidism, I
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mean chlorine can be in that mix to fluoride, they
can block thyroid. So and is that just directly the
the chlorine and the fluoride or are is it chlorine
and fluoride creating yeast overgrowth and then those toxins block
the thyroid. And I don't know if we talked about
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this in our first discussion, but after I worked on
the stabilized ion of magnesium, I said to my chemist,
I'm going to give you twelve trace minerals and I
want them all as stabilized ions. And in the midst
of the research, I realized that nine of the twelve
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minerals I was working with support thyroid hormone production. So
when I get the first samples of this multiple mineral,
and I took them myself. Within six weeks, my hypothyroidism
was gone. I was on sixty milligrams of armor thyroid,
and all of a sudden, my hands and feet, which
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were still always cold even on the armor thyroid, they
went warm and toasty, and I started to get even
more hyperactive. So well, I should have weaned off my
armor thyroid, I know that, but I quit my armor
thyroid and I've never looked back. So with my magnesium
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being up and my immune system being supported against the east,
I was able to rectify my low thyroid that had
been blocked. I didn't mention it, but you mentioned hormones.
Birth control pill will stimulate yeast overgrowth as well, and
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what happens in hormone replacement therapy just the natural menstrual
cycle and pregnancy, when you have elevated estrogens, you are
depleted of magnesium from twenty to thirty percent. And that's
pretty amazing when you think think about it. When I
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used to menstrate many decades ago, when you were pre
menstrual would be the time when you felt the worst
and had various symptoms. So magnesium plays a role in
the thyroid in your hormone balance. Yeast plays a role,
and I mean maybe it sounds a bit complicated, but
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for me, it's like, Okay, deal with your yeast now.
In dealing with yeast, because I know this is going
to be your next question, you know, how do you
diagnose it? How do you treat it? So we're talking
about diagnosing it with just seven questions about antibiotics, getting
worse in a moldy like a moldy basement, pregnancy, just
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feeling fuzzy headed and not well and fatigue. And then
you look at treatment and it used to be I
mean when I first learned after my medical training, I
studied my natural path natural apathy and got my degree
in that, and I learned about yeast and I decided
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to treat it, which is a horribly strict diet. I
say to people, you know, for ten years, I didn't
need a spec of sugar, wheat and dairy. Now we
say sugar, gluten and dairy. I didn't need a spec
of it. I would be taking oregano oil or I need.
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I tried everything and it never really clicked until I
created my own formulas, which is antifungal a sacrifices Borlardi,
which is a very gentle antifungal and a probiotic in
the humic Fulvic, which is a like a soil based probiotic,
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and minerals. It's made from a humus that's been buried
for centuries. You know, all the leaves and trees and
everything that die and get crushed. Well, they're just so
healthy with minerals. Their whole company's Katie who just sell
humic fulvic products. But so I put that in my
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antifungl And the real anti antifungal is silver picometer stabilized silver.
Silver is so safe. People will think, oh, coloidal silver.
This is not a coloidal silver com mineral compound. It's
stabilized silver and it gets read into the cells. We
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use it for in a nebulizer. You inhale it for
sinus infections. I'll be taking it on a plane trip.
I'm going to be doing it in a couple of weeks,
and I'll either use it on the plane or when
I get off to clear my mind passages of anti
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viruses that jump jump into the mix. And when I'm
mentioning that, I should say the immune system is so
affected by yeast that you can develop other infections. I
am quite convinced from my previous patient population and now
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my customer population that when you have yeast overgrowth, that
I'm talking about it intestinely, but I'm talking about it
in your sinuses, in your ear, canals, in your mouth,
in vaginale for women, prostatitis and penile infections in men.
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And what happens when your immune system is low and
you have a lot of yeast, it'll harbor viruses, bacteria,
and parasites. And I know in my customer population, we
do not have people who complain to us about parasites.
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When I start, I had yeast. I didn't know it
when I was going through med school. As soon as
we got into the hospitals doing you know, rotations, taking
patient histories, et cetera. And that was year two, I
developed bacterial stapleococcal nasal boils, which I realized later when
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I studied yeast overgrowth, that that was yeast weakening or
irritating or creating mucush that harbored the bacteria. So if
if I just go crazy on desserts or a lot
of fruit, I might start to get an inkling of
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a nasal boil and I say, okay, quit that I
live in Maui, I have to eat fruit. So anyway,
I'm running around the block here, But maybe you can
pull me back in line.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Then ask me a question that has so many good tips.
I was taking notes the whole time, as I always
do when I get to chat with you, and I
would love to really delve into the practical now because
it blew my mind. We touched on this even briefly
in our other episodes, but how much seems to be
connected to yeast and seemingly how this is kind of
like the cornerstone that if we understand it and address
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it in a way that supports the body so we're
not further stressing the body out, but it can give
the immune system, like you explained, kind of a light
up to battle all these other things that people are
trying to sort of like tackle and spot treat without
having to sort of tackle everything differently, like you tied
this into the thyroid, how it's connected to hormones, even parasites,
leaky got skin issues, Like so much seems to fall
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under this umbrella, and it sounds like there's some really
important general guidelines like minimizing antibiotics whom we can, minimizing
excess carbon and sugar women can, keeping hormones in the
right balance, including our stress hormones, and then on the positive,
making sure we have minerals imbalance, making sure we're hydrated,
probably things like getting enough natural lights so ourselves are
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functioning properly. And I know you have whole protocols for
this that I'll link to, but can you kind of
walk us through, like what to do about it peace,
because I would guess a lot of people listening are
hearing things you're saying and going, oh, my gosh, I
wonder if I have YaST overgrowth right.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Again. It can sound complex, but the way I work
it with people, which are now my customers, I have,
you know, several hundred thousand customers who use my products,
so we get feedback. And what I say to people is,
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don't think that you have to deprive yourself on day
one with whatever you're doing that you think you're doing wrong,
Because if you give yourself a whole list of oh,
I can't do that, I can't do and you are
already feeling fatigued, you're already on the edge of I
can't I can't take it. You're on the edge of
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two toxic to detox. Then I say to people, and
I've written this in my I have a yeast book.
I think it's still available. Reset the yeast connection, and
I have to update all my books, kid because the
FDA doesn't like me talking about my products. You'll notice
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I don't say the names of my products. So it's
it's really quite crazy how we can't educate the public.
But what I say in my in my protocols is
if you feel very toxic, then you start with sillium
seed powder. And sillium seed is a bulker. It will
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it will pull out toxins. It will kind of stop
some of the hrkzheimer that a person is feeling. Herkzheimer's
is when you have an infection and the die off
products are making you feel miserable. Bacteria have toxins that
give you a Herzeimer, So if a person is feeling miserable,
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they're releasing all these east toxins and it's affecting the body.
So cilium seed one teaspoon to a tablespoon. You put
it in just a couple of ounces of water, shake
it up real quick and drink it real quick because
it turns into a jelly mask. And then you drink
another eight or ten ounces of water after that, and
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it kind of brooms through the intestines. You don't want
to eat or take your supplements for an hour at
least an hour after that to let it go through.
And what I'm convinced that this celium seed and bent
night clay that I'll mention in a second, I'm convinced
that they are going to help pull out plastics and
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you know, maybe even the dying cells that have spike
protein in them. Because our cells are always transitioning. We
cannot put it in our mind that if we have poisons,
heavy metals, or toxins or even spike protein, that they're
always going to be there. Our cells are rotating anywhere
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from ten days to maybe a month or so. And
what my overall protocol is, make new healthy cells. You're
going to be making new cells, so don't make them
with sugar or omega six seed oils or any of
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the negative things that you hear about. We all know
what we should avoid, but sometimes we just don't have
the wheel power because we're either addicted or just so
fatigued you know, we'll drink all the coffee. We can't
coffee drain your minerals. So you start with silium seed
and pull out toxins, bed tonight clay. You can get
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edible clay and put a teaspoon to a tablespoon. You
can mix it in with the silium. It takes. It
feels kind of gritty, but it's because it's dirt. So
you're doing that to clean out the toxins, and then
you're starting to take the mineral support nutrients to make
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your new perfect cells. And in my world, it's not
esoteric herbs and crazy crazy things that are now being sold.
The natural supplement industry has been so commercialized and blooded
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with all these oul I mean alphalopoeic good. If you
have liver problems, everything has a place, but you have
to start with the basics. Basics are magnesiums and vitamin C.
Vitamin C is huge. It is so huge with yeast
overgrowth because vitamin C and glucose compete for transport on insulin.
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So think of that. If you're eating a lot of sugar,
the insulin say, okay, I got to push this sugar
into the cell so it won't damage other areas. But
if there's also vitamin C involved, then there's more kind
of relatively more sugar than there glucose sugar than there
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is vitamin C. The sugar gems into the cell, the
vitamin C is not getting in. Vitamin C has to
be in the cell to clear as an antioxidant, to
clear the waste products in the cell, and to make collagen.
So you really need to be taking food based vitamin
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C and ascorbic acid. I'm telling people now, I'm looking
at like eight thousand five eight thousand milligrams of vitamin
C and you have people say, oh, it's going to
cause kidney stones. No it won't, Oh it's going to
do this and that. I used to be just a
promonent proponent of food based vitamin C because it has tyrosine,
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which is a building block of thyroid hormones. So the
vitamin C hole and we talk about fruit for that.
But you know, if you eat too much fruit you
will get elevated, triglyscerized. So everything has to be in balanced. Okay,
I know I sigde biro lot so I'm saying make
perfect cells. You've got your bentonite and cilium going you're
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taking your Picometer stabilized magnesium mines, you're taking your multiple
mineral and that's supportive of the immune system and your thyroid,
and you could add my antifungal and the Pikometer silver
in amongst all that. And the Pikometer silver is amazing
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because it neutralizes toxins. So if you have Herzheimer's, this
silver is going to make you feel like you can
deal with a yeast treatment that won't cause a lot
of waste products. I mean, people who try to go
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on strict diets for weight loss or strict diet for
yeast overgrowth, they often just can't take it because they
have so many talks and they feel so bad. So
then I the vitamin C for sure, and then I
work with D three K two. I work with omega
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three fatty acids, but from algae. I'm very concerned about
the way fish oils to make vitamin D are cleaned
with hexanes and gases and all kinds of things, because
they have so much bercury and toxicity in fish liver.
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So I go algae are that's the food that that
fish eat to make their own omega three fatty acids.
So I just go to the Omega three fatty acids
of algae, and algae can be grown safely organically, and
it doesn't have the potential toxins up the fish oils,
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and fish oils they always made me burp. That was
another reason. And the third reason is I live in
Maui and the whales that come here every season eat krill,
and krill tends to be the biggest source of omega
three fish oils, and I'm not going to starve the whales,
So I think I've covered everything. I also work with
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a protein and I don't think we're allowed to call
it a meal replacement. A protein powder which is New
Zealand way, which is negative caseine and very low lactose,
so it suit it suits people who like in my case,
I can take it every day, but I perhaps the
(34:35):
lactose sugar would bother someone who's very severely yeast overgrown.
So that's the basics. I find that if someone has
a stable amount of magnesium that saturates the cell and
(34:55):
leads the immune system to work on yeast, that's a
starting and then adding just the other nutrients, you don't
get a lot of symptoms that are misdiagnosed. See what
happens if you don't have enough magnesium and you have migraines, Okay,
you go to the doctor and you get horrendously toxic
(35:18):
drugs for migraines because there's such severe pain. If you
don't have enough magnesium, you'll get her palpitations, which is
what I suffered from. And we probably said this in
our first interview. The reason why I got so focused
on finding a non laxative magnesium is I can't take
(35:39):
magnesium compounds more than fifty milligrams because they give me
the laxative effect. And for doctors, even to this day,
you know, famous doctors on their worldwide blogs are saying, oh, yeah,
just take magnesium until you get the laxative effect and
then cut back, and and that shows you're saturated. And
(36:02):
that is not true. So we've got people with high
blood pressure from magnesium deficiency. They're given drugs. Those drugs
deplete more minerals, and then their blood pressure continues to
be elevated, and they're put on three more drugs, and then
those drugs affect the magnesium again, and then they're developing
(36:27):
diabetes and cholesterol from magnesium deficiency. So that's probably a
repeat of our last conversation, but that's where we can
solve so many problems just by becoming saturated with magnesium.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, that's so fascinating to me, and you certainly made
a really strong case for that in our other episodes
that I'll link to, of course in the show notes,
and I was taking scopious notes while you were explaining that,
even on little things like that distinction of taking both
food based and a scorbic acid form vitamin C, because
I know that's a controversial, hotly debated topic. And I
think what really stands out to me about your approach
(37:08):
as well, is that this all highlights working in harmony
with the body, supporting what the body already knows how
to do. It's not overriding anything, it's not wiping out
the yeast, it's not attacking the parasites. It's supporting the
body and doing what the body already knows how to do,
just getting the things out of its way that are
keeping it from being able to function optimally. And so
I love that that's been woven into every topic that
(37:31):
we've gotten to talk about in every podcast we've had,
and I feel like you've walked us through such a
helpful protocol for if someone has a yeast overgrowth already,
what to do about it, as well as some potentially
things we can do to be protective and hopefully not
get yeast out of balance in the first place. This
podcast is brought to you by Element, and this is
(37:53):
a company you might have heard me talk about before,
and I really love their products because proper hydration leads
to better sleep, it sharpened focus, it improves energy, and
so much more. But hydration is not about just drinking water,
because being optimally hydrated a state called u hydration, is
about optimizing your body's fluid ratios, and this fluid balance
(38:13):
depends on many factors, including the intake and excretion of electrolytes,
which many people don't get the right amounts of electrolytes
are charged minerals that conduct electricity to power your nervous system.
I talk a lot about nervous system on this podcast.
They also regulate hydration status by balancing fluids inside and
outside of ourselves. Element was created with the science backed
(38:34):
electrolyte ratio of one hundred milligrams of sodium, two hundred
milligrams of potassium, and sixty milligrams of magnesium with no sugar.
Since electrolytes are a key component of hydration, here's what happens.
When we get our electrolytes dialed in. We have more
steady energy, improved cognitive function, suffer fewer headaches and muscle cramps.
We can perform better for longer, and especially the support
(38:55):
basting or low carb diet because when we stop eating
carbs like during fast, the absence of in this one
allows the kidneys to release sodium to Replacing that loss
sodium with electrolytes can help you feel good on the past.
Since Element is zero sugar, it also doesn't break up fast.
Electrolytes are also important for maintaining blood pressure, regulating digestion,
and proper fluid balance, keeping skin hydrated, which is a
(39:16):
big one that I feel like often gets missed, and
so much more. I feel like proper electrolytes is a
missing piece for a lot of people, and I love
Elements new canned drinks which are sparkling water with all
the same ratios of minerals I just talked about, and
they are delicious. You can check it out and learn
more at drink element dot com. Slash Wellness Mama. That's
(39:37):
dri nk l mnt dot com Slash Wellness Mama and
at that link you will receive a free sample pack
with any order. This episode is brought to you by
Apollo neuro This is a tool that has really helped
me feel more relaxed and de stress. It's than Apollo
wearable that can be worn anywhere on your body and
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a team of scientists and doctors to emit silent, soothing,
sound weight vibrations that actually feel really good and work
in the moment, so it feels like a hug. These
waves are proven in scientific studies to help us shift
into recovery mode so we experience less stress, better mood,
more energy, and better sleep. The sleep setting is probably
(40:23):
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significantly increase HRV, which is heart rate variability, which is
a leading biomarker for health and longevity. It works at
the most foundational level to improve nervous system balance through
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from a friend or snuggling a pet. Apollow connects to
an app on your phone, so you can choose the
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for moms because it has no side effects and it's
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slash wellness Mama and use the code wellness Mama all
caps in one word for a discount. I want to
make sure we just briefly touch on as well, are
there any other uncommon signs of yeast overgrowth that people
might miss or not associate with yeast and or are
there any other protective things that we can all do
that are just generally supportive of the body and its
(41:30):
resilience in keeping yeast in the proper balance to begin with.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, that's that's a good intro to looking at the
environmental associations with the yeast and what do you think
that is mold? So, if you've had a leak in
your house and you know there's black mold on the
wall or hidden in a cupboard, and you're walking around
(41:56):
feeling feeling irritated, you're nasl membranes are irritated, you've got headaches,
you feel foggy, and you don't even recognize the mold.
I mean, one of the things that a doctor should
be asking when a person has those symptoms is have
you had a flood recently? I just feel so badly
(42:19):
for all the people who've been in these horrible floods
and tornadoes and hurricanes. They get wiped out with the
water and they're going to get moldy. And there's a
cross reactivity of symptoms with people who have yeast overgrowth
and who are exposed to mold. And that is evidenced
(42:42):
by one of the seven questions. Do you react negatively
in a moldy damp environment? Are you worse in the
fall when there's rain and the leaves are falling and
they smell moldy? Do you react and you're walking down
certain aisles in the grocery store. The laundry products are
(43:06):
the worst because they start irritating the mucous membranes. But
I think that's a huge problem when someone has sort
of if a mold expert comes in and says, oh,
it's kind of mild, we can do this or that,
people can get away with just putting an ozone machine
(43:27):
in their house, putting it in a room where you
shut the door, and letting it run for half an hour.
It can start clearing out the mold. I have one
kind of a just in case or to lend out
to people. You can actually get rid of mold once
(43:47):
you sort of clean up the area or even cut
out the jip rock or the pasteboard that is molded.
But that is huge. I've never really got into mold
restoration or anything like that with my patients or customers,
(44:08):
but I start with the Ozo machine. What is your
experience with mold and treating it?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Thankfully, as far as I know, I've never had a
direct mold exposure other than in travel environments where I
noticed my body react to it. But I haven't lived
in a moldi environment, but several of my close friends have,
and I've seen the drastic process of remediation and then
the like kind of follow up on the health and
how long it can take for the body to come
back into balance, especially after a long term exposure. And
(44:39):
I know that that's also a thing that often gets
missed for people because it's not like there's an easy
simple test to just for sure no, yes or no
if you have mold in your home. It's a little
bit complicated to even find out sometimes, and then remediation
can seem overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
To a lot of people, right. I think here are
services where you can order eggar plate that you can
open the top of an eggar plate, place them around
your house and see what grows. Something is going to grow,
and then you send those plates back to a lab
(45:15):
and they'll tell you if you have you know, something
horrible that you should be concerned about. So there's that.
And if someone is in a molding environment, you put
them on a yeast protocol because you know that they're
cross reacting.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, that makes complete sense. That almost nothing is ever
a single cause it's like multifaceted. And I love that
we got to do a whole other episode on this
because we only briefly got to touch on it in
our past interviews. And I feel like this of course
deserved its own episode, and probably could be many follow
up episodes as well. But is there anything related to
this topic that we haven't covered yet or that I
(45:54):
haven't thought to ask you.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I think I'm just thinking now because I just visited
a young friend who had a baby, and I'm thinking,
how after you well, during the pregnancy and especially after delivery,
your thyroid can be really affected. Your hormones are elevated,
(46:17):
so you can have yeast. I have had patients in
my practice way back in Toronto in the eighties that
the child would have chronic ear infections. I had this
a nurse who brought her son in eighteen months old.
He'd been on antibiotics ten times for ear infections, and
(46:41):
she said, I just don't buy it anymore. She said,
the discharge from his ear smells kind of moldy. And
then I asked her and yes, she had Canada vaginitis
during the birth time. So we treated she was I
think she was still breastfeeding. We treated her with what
(47:01):
I knew back then for yeast overgrowth, and it stopped
the whole process of these yeast infections. So yeast is
big around pregnancy, as is thyroid. What happens with the
thyroid with the pregnancy is you have to help grow
(47:24):
your baby's thyroids, so it does drain the nutrients that
are working on your thyroid. And if you don't have
the nine minerals to make thyroid hormones, then you're going
to be deficient and perhaps the baby will as well.
And the way the I don't know if I talked
(47:44):
about this before, but the way the minerals work, I
don't think it's like an assembly line. I think everything's
going on at once. But we know T three and
T four thyroid hormones. The three and the four indicate
how many iodine atoms are attached, so we think, okay,
(48:05):
give more iodine and then we'll get better thyroid. But
the way the transition works to make the active T
three from T four is it goes through selenium and
cobalt and copper and manganese and molybdenum and zinc and magnesium.
(48:27):
I don't know if I'm mentioned all nine, but it
is quite a process that nobody is paying attention to.
We've got these layers of possibilities where I mean allopathic medicine.
They'll wait till your thyroid is punked out out and
give you synthetic thyroid hormone. Even in alternative medicine, they'll
(48:51):
wait till your thyroid is punked out and give you
a natural thyroid hormone that doesn't come close to having
the minerals you need. And what everybody is missing is
this basic groundwork of the nutrients that make yourselves and
make it possible for you to be healthy. And for me,
(49:14):
it obviously started with magnesium. I was in New York
do his a clinical study on ADS back in the
early nineties using a herbal homeopathic acupuncture modality, and it
was very stressful because doctor Fauci was trying to stop
(49:34):
people doing alternatives because he just wanted people to take
his AZT, so major stress. I went through early menopause
that I was in my mid forties at that time,
and I had yeast. I had everything going on. And
you've mentioned several times about stress and the stress. Cortisol
(49:59):
will also grow yeast. It will also retain belly fat
because when you're under stress, the body thinks you're going
to die or you're going to go through starvation, so
it's going to store fat. So all these things are
mixed together. But if we just look at the basics,
(50:23):
as I said, avoid sugar and gluten and dairy maybe
for three weeks and see how you feel. And also
maybe avoid fruit, and after three weeks start maybe an apple,
a tangerine, one or two fruits a day, and after
(50:47):
that maybe once a week have some bread. I'm still
not good with bread. If I eat it every day,
I start to get gas and bloating. I'm not able
to digest it. Maybe there's an allergy. But you do
your own experiment with these things. And if certainly after
sugar you will you can feel bit different. So you
(51:10):
do your diet, you take the nutrients I talked about,
and as you get more energy with your magnesium. Magnesium
is necessary, as I said, for so much in the body,
but including making energy molecules. You're atp and researchers mitochondria
(51:31):
is where we make this energy. There's so much talk
now about all mitochondrial disease and what do we need,
and they never say magnesium, whereas in mitochondrial research everybody
knows that atp is really atp mg for magnesium. You
wouldn't have that molecule without magnesium. But the reason it's
(51:55):
it's ignored so much is because there's no good blood
test for it, so we've just dismissed it. Doctors think
it's a laxative more than anything. So I guess I'm
beating the drum for people to take more magnesium and
if they get the laxative effect from the magnesium that's
(52:16):
in your cupboard, take my magnesium and seeing how much
better you feel. So it can be very basic and
very quote simple.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, I'm on the magnesium side. I'll certainly link to
our episode all about that, because you are, of course
one of the leading experts in the world on the topic,
and you explained it so well in that episode. We've
done two episodes together in the past. I'll link to those,
so if you guys haven't listened, I highly recommend those.
And this I feel like has been a masterclass in
all things yeast, which I feel like as a topic
(52:47):
that's not as well known, it's not as much of
a buzzword, and from what you explained in this episode,
is seemingly connected to so many things and might be
the missing piece for a lot of people on health,
especially when you understand that the working through the YaST
overgrowth includes things like getting your minerals imbalance and how
that impacts so many other areas of the body as well.
(53:08):
I'll link to the products we talked about to more
resources people can find where you talk about this more
in depth. But Carolyn is always such a pleasure. I've
loved learning prom you once again. Thank you so much
for all that you've shared and for being here.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Thank you. Can I one more thing you kept asking me,
you knew there was something else. I equate yeast over
growth and magnesium deficiency to autoimmune disease. When you think
of the nast toxins cross reacting with organs, what happens
is the immune system will attack the toxins, but at
(53:45):
the same time they end up attacking the organs like
collateral damage. So autoimmune disease. Do a yeast protocol and
take your magnesium amazing well.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Like I said, all those links will be in the
show notes. I love that we've gotten to do a
few episodes together. Hopefully we get to do more again
at some point in the future, but for today, thank
you so much for your time.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
And thank you for your work. It's very important to
get these messages out to people, and thank.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
You for your time today for listening. We're both so
grateful that you did, and I hope that you will
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(54:36):
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Welk on to My Body's podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This podcast is brought to you by Element and this
is a company you might have heard me talk about before,
and I really love their products because proper hydration leads
to better sleep, it sharpens focus, it improves energy, and
so much more. But hydration is not about just drinking water,
because being optimally hydrated a state called U hydration, is
(00:25):
about optimizing your body's fluid ratios. And this fluid balance
depends on many factors, including the intake and excretion of electrolytes,
which many people don't get. The right amounts of electrolytes
are charged minerals that conduct electricity to power your nervous system.
I talk a lot about nervous system on this podcast.
They also regulate hydration status by balancing fluids inside and
(00:46):
outside of ourselves. Element was created with the science backed
electrolyte ratio of one hundred milligrams of sodium, two hundred
milligrams of potassium, and sixty milligrams of magnesium with no sugar.
Since electrolytes are a key component of hydration, here's what happens.
When we get our electrolytes dialed in, we have more
steady energy, improved cognitive function, suffer fewer headaches and muscle cramps.
(01:07):
We can perform better for longer and especially the support
fasting or a low carb diet because when we stop
eating carbs, like during fast, the absence of insulin allows
the kidneys to release sodium, So replacing that loss sodium
with electrolytes can help you feel good on the fast.
Since Element is zero sugar, it also doesn't break up fast.
Electrolytes are also important for maintaining blood pressure, regulating digestion,
(01:28):
and proper fluid balance, keeping skin hydrated, which is a
big one that I feel like often gets missed, and
so much more. I feel like proper electrolytes is a
missing piece for a lot of people. And I love
Elements new canned drinks which are sparkling water with all
the same ratios of minerals I just talked about, and
they are delicious. You can check it out and learn
(01:49):
more at drink Element dot com, slash Wellness Mama. That's
dri nk l mnt dot com slash wellness Mama, and
at that link you will receive a free sample pack
with any order. And this episode is brought to you
by Apollo neuro This is a tool that has really
helped me feel more relaxed and de stress. An Apollo
(02:09):
wearable that can be worn anywhere on your body and
it tracks sleep like other wearables, but unlike other wearables,
it actually improves my sleep automatically. Apollo was designed by
a team of scientists and doctors to emit silent, soothing
sound weight vibrations that actually feel really good and work
in the moment so it feels like a hug. These
(02:29):
weights are proven in scientific studies to help us shift
into recovery mode so we experience less stress, better mood,
more energy, and better sleep. The sleep setting is probably
my favorite. Apollo is also the first wearable proven to
significantly increase HIV, which is heart rate variability, which is
a leading biomarker for health and longevity. It works at
the most foundational level to improve nervous system balance through
(02:52):
our sense of touch, just like getting a warm hug
from a friend or snuggling a pet. Apollo connects to
an app on your phone, so you can choose the
settings for mood and energy in the level you need.
I've used mine for years and I definitely noticed the
benefits I especially live when traveling as well. It's especially
great for moms because it has no side effects and
it's safe if you're pregnant or nursing. You can learn
more about Apollo and get your own by going to
(03:13):
Apollo neuro dot com slash Wellness Mama. So find out
more and get your own by going to A p
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com slash wellness Mama and use the code wellness Mama
all caps in one word for a discount. Hello and
welcome to the Wellness Mama of podcast. I'm Katie from
(03:34):
Wellnessmama dot com and I am back today with highly
requested repeat guests Carolyn Dean, who is an absolute wealth
of knowledge. I've had her on before. We should talk
about minerals, magnesium, and so much more. She is so
well educated and absolute wealth of knowledge. And in this
episode we go into the science of gut check and
especially the surprising signs of yeast overgrowth and what to
(03:56):
do about it. And as she explains in this episode,
yeast over growth not YaST itself as a problem, but
overgrowth can be related very strongly to things like autoimmune disease,
to parasites, to skin issues, to hormone issues, to all
kinds of problems in the body, and that when we
support the body in addressing yeast overgrowth, we actually help
the body get all of those other things into balance
(04:18):
as well, including thyroid. She makes a strong connection with
autoimmune disease, with cebo, with gut problems and why those
things are all so related. And she's so fascinating. She's
both a medical doctor and a natural path and an
author with over thirty five books, including bestsellers like The
Magnesium Miracle, Total Body Reset, and more. And she, as
(04:40):
you will hear, has such depth of experience and research
as well as very practical solutions for these problems. And
she has been working to really educate and bring help
to people around these topics for such a long time.
It's an absolute honor to have her here. Let's jump
in and learn. Carolyn, welcome back, and thank you for
being here again.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Thank you. It's great to be back. It was only
three months ago. This is pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm so excited to get to chat again so soon
and you're back because I learned so much from you
and we ran out of time of all of the
many things we could have covered, and we didn't even
get into something that you are a deep expert on,
which is the science of yeast overgrowth. And I know
this could be a multi episode topic just by itself,
(05:25):
but you've said before that yeast is normal, yeast overgrowth
is not. So can you kind of give us a
background explanation of what that means and what we need
to know about yeast?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, Yes, yeast is normal in the large intestine. So
what happened back in the I guess the late forties
when pendicillin was created and then it started to be used.
Within one year, the doctors were saying, oh, we're getting
(05:56):
Candida albicans growth with the odd tongue itching in women vaginitis.
They were describing external features of yeast overgrowth. Even back
then they knew there was a problem, and over the
years it just it got put aside. It It wasn't
until the mid eighties when doctor William Crook and doctor
(06:21):
Orion Trust started writing in popular books for the public
on this problem that they were seeing in their practices,
which is give people antibiotics and what we know now
is it kills off all the good and bad bacteria.
And when the small intestine does not have the balance
(06:44):
of bacteria. It'll be a vacuum into which the candida
yeast from the large intestine can just sort of crawl
up looking for food. And if your diet happens to
have a lot of simple carbs like sugars, then they're
being fed. And the other crazy thing about this migration
(07:08):
is that a budding yeast will turn into a thread
like myschilia yeast, which then these yeast researchers are saying,
it's going to be poking holes in the small intestine,
which will allow yeast toxins, undigested food, chemicals, whatever, to
(07:31):
be absorbed. And then if you think of yeast itself
and alone, it's got seventy eight different toxins just produced
by its metabolism, and they're going to be absorbed. So
if these seventy eight toxins, the ones that are really dangerous,
(07:51):
I would say, is acid aldehyde. Acid Aldehyde will damage
any tissue in the body. And the other thing that
produce acet aldehyde are cigarettes, smoking and gas car exhaust,
really toxic things that we try to avoid. It'll produce
(08:12):
excess alcohol. You can get to this a state where
you have so much yeast overgrowth and so much of
this metabolic end products that you can fail a breathalyzer test.
This alcohol is so extreme and so that people act
like they're kind of drunk and they get pulled over
(08:33):
they have a positive breathalyzer. Now it's rare, but the
fact that it can happen, you know, kind of proves
the alcohol side effect. The third one that well, there's
so many cymosans z ymosa and it causes the rashes
(08:53):
that look like zoriasis. And the last one I'll mention
it's Candada license and that was named because it was
it was discovered in Japanese laboratories I think it was,
and they injected this Candida license substance into rats and
(09:13):
they just fell over dead. It was so toxic. So
we've got a problem that I mean, we'd have to
say it's eatrogenic, which means doctor induced to a certain
extent with the drugs, with steroids, antibiotics. And then we
look at dentistry mercury, that's a strong antibiotic. It's gonna
(09:35):
kill off in testino flora. We've got chlorine and fluoride
in the water, and that those are strong antibiotics. And
then we look at the cross reactivity of some of
these East toxins with body organs, especially hormonal organs. Thyroid
(09:55):
is a big one. I worked with doctor Ari Danny
and he's quite a famous immunologist. He helped me set
up my lab in Toronto where I wanted to, you know,
where the East anybodies. And I also did food antibody
testing and it really didn't work to look for East
(10:19):
antibodies because everybody has yeast, so everybody test is going
to have yeast. And then we never knew what the
high threshold of serious yeast overgrowth was. So what I
did was just work with doctor William Crook questionnaire he
wrote The Yeast Connection. He's the most famous East researcher.
(10:43):
And his questionnaire though it was seventy questions seven zero,
and there was a doctor Heidelmann in Norway I think
it was who reduced it to seven questions, and that
seemed to correlate with people who have yeast overgrowth, and
that would the questions would be like do you react
(11:05):
in a moldy environment? Have you had antibiotics? And there's
three questions about antibiotics. You know how long you've had it?
Have you been pregnant, you suffer from vaginitis, prostatitis, and
do you always feel unwell? So people who answer those questions,
we do have to look at yeast overgrowth. Unfortunately, allopathic
(11:28):
medicine it doesn't look there. And what I've seen in
even alternative medicine over the past number of years is
they're looking at the small intestinal microbiome as if it's
Cibo sibo small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. So they think the
(11:49):
bacteria the problem. I don't know if they just don't
look for yeast, but any small intestinal imbalance it's going
to be driven by yeast overgrowth. So what do they
do for sea boats They give handy biotics, which makes
the problem worse. So I have set the stage.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, that's super fascinating. And as you're explaining that, I'm
thinking of like the holes in the small intestine, leaky
gut and all the implications we know downstream of that
makes sense to me. You mentioned antibiotics as a potential
correlate to these yeast overgrowth. Too many sugary carbs and
you know, sugars in general, that also makes complete sense
to me. And then stress hormones and you mentioned a
(12:31):
little bit the hormone connection and even pregnancy being on
that questionnaire, I'm curious if things like hormone replacement therapy,
birth control, other stages of life where hormones change, like
how these come into play with the potential for yeast
to get out of balance.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh yeah, definitely. This is where I bring in magnesium.
What did someone commulate the mother of magnesium? So what
would be happening in my customer population and we have
a robust customer service staff, and what would happen when
(13:07):
people start taking my pikometer stabilized magnesium ions Because with
the ion you can take enough to make a difference
or you don't get the laxative effects. So after a
couple of months on my magnesium, we were getting reports
that people would take Oh my gosh, I felt so
(13:28):
much better. You know, my sleep was better, my migraines
went away, my heart palpitations went away. But then they said,
oh man, I'm getting a coated tongue and I'm getting
gas and bloating, and I'm getting kind of itchy orifices.
And because I've known about yeast forever, I had my
(13:50):
own yeast that I realized immediately that these rashes as well,
rashes were that was a big thing, bodies detoxing through
the skin and creating these rashes. So we wouldn't say
to them, oh my gosh, that's terrible and they I
(14:10):
guess a part of it would be people sort of
blaming the magnesium for not working anymore, and we just say, great,
you're in a place now where your immune systems has
jumped up and is willing to work with this overgrowth
of yeast because of a weakened immune system from the yeast.
(14:32):
Will actually kind of ignore the yeast because it's natural.
The body thinks, oh, that's natural. I don't have time
for that. I have to deal with other things. But
then magnesium, which is responsible for eighty percent of non
metabolic functions and six eight hundred different enzyme processes in
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the body, the body is going to wake up and
be able to deal with this yeast overgrowth. So I mean,
you can imagine, KAYI the people they're walking into their
doctor's office. And I didn't say this, but in doctor
Crook's questionnaire, there are twenty three major symptoms and thirty
(15:14):
three minor symptoms of yeast overgrowth. Brain fog, fatigue, poor concentration,
anxiety depression. I mean, you go throughout the whole body,
and it's very symptomatic because of all the toxins and
the way the immune system has to deal with those toxins.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's so fascinating to me, and I think you just
built in a piece that puzzled me for a long time.
So years ago, when I was still working through hashimotos,
before I had reversed that, and when I had like
a lot of other health stuff going on, I noticed
that if I took magnesium enough to actually get my
levels up to arrange where I sort of feeling better,
I would start itching, and so I would always discontinue magnesium,
and I would like, am I allergic to this?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Why?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Why am I having this reaction? And now that I've
done so much also to like reverse other aspects of
health problems, and I feel like I've been a really
good place healthwise. I can take my museum in the
right doses, I feel amazing, and I don't have that anymore.
But I think you just explained why back then I
was noticing that reaction, and you also touched on thyroid issues,
which I think that was obviously a part of my
(16:20):
story and might be for a lot of people listening
as well. So I would love for you to delve
a little deeper in the connection here with yeast and
thyroid problems, because I've never heard this talked about by
anyone else.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Perfect doctor bush Denny, who I worked with. One of
his papers was on the cross reactivity of yeast talksins
with thyroid receptors. They get blocked. So there is definitely
a correlation between yeast overgrowth and how both thyroidism, I
(16:50):
mean chlorine can be in that mix to fluoride, they
can block thyroid. So and is that just directly the
the chlorine and the fluoride or are is it chlorine
and fluoride creating yeast overgrowth and then those toxins block
the thyroid. And I don't know if we talked about
(17:13):
this in our first discussion, but after I worked on
the stabilized ion of magnesium, I said to my chemist,
I'm going to give you twelve trace minerals and I
want them all as stabilized ions. And in the midst
of the research, I realized that nine of the twelve
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minerals I was working with support thyroid hormone production. So
when I get the first samples of this multiple mineral,
and I took them myself. Within six weeks, my hypothyroidism
was gone. I was on sixty milligrams of armor thyroid,
and all of a sudden, my hands and feet, which
(17:58):
were still always cold even on the armor thyroid, they
went warm and toasty, and I started to get even
more hyperactive. So well, I should have weaned off my
armor thyroid, I know that, but I quit my armor
thyroid and I've never looked back. So with my magnesium
(18:18):
being up and my immune system being supported against the east,
I was able to rectify my low thyroid that had
been blocked. I didn't mention it, but you mentioned hormones.
Birth control pill will stimulate yeast overgrowth as well, and
(18:39):
what happens in hormone replacement therapy just the natural menstrual
cycle and pregnancy, when you have elevated estrogens, you are
depleted of magnesium from twenty to thirty percent. And that's
pretty amazing when you think think about it. When I
(19:03):
used to menstrate many decades ago, when you were pre
menstrual would be the time when you felt the worst
and had various symptoms. So magnesium plays a role in
the thyroid in your hormone balance. Yeast plays a role,
and I mean maybe it sounds a bit complicated, but
(19:23):
for me, it's like, Okay, deal with your yeast now.
In dealing with yeast, because I know this is going
to be your next question, you know, how do you
diagnose it? How do you treat it? So we're talking
about diagnosing it with just seven questions about antibiotics, getting
worse in a moldy like a moldy basement, pregnancy, just
(19:45):
feeling fuzzy headed and not well and fatigue. And then
you look at treatment and it used to be I
mean when I first learned after my medical training, I
studied my natural path natural apathy and got my degree
in that, and I learned about yeast and I decided
(20:08):
to treat it, which is a horribly strict diet. I
say to people, you know, for ten years, I didn't
need a spec of sugar, wheat and dairy. Now we
say sugar, gluten and dairy. I didn't need a spec
of it. I would be taking oregano oil or I need.
(20:30):
I tried everything and it never really clicked until I
created my own formulas, which is antifungal a sacrifices Borlardi,
which is a very gentle antifungal and a probiotic in
the humic Fulvic, which is a like a soil based probiotic,
(20:53):
and minerals. It's made from a humus that's been buried
for centuries. You know, all the leaves and trees and
everything that die and get crushed. Well, they're just so
healthy with minerals. Their whole company's Katie who just sell
humic fulvic products. But so I put that in my
(21:16):
antifungl And the real anti antifungal is silver picometer stabilized silver.
Silver is so safe. People will think, oh, coloidal silver.
This is not a coloidal silver com mineral compound. It's
stabilized silver and it gets read into the cells. We
(21:41):
use it for in a nebulizer. You inhale it for
sinus infections. I'll be taking it on a plane trip.
I'm going to be doing it in a couple of weeks,
and I'll either use it on the plane or when
I get off to clear my mind passages of anti
(22:01):
viruses that jump jump into the mix. And when I'm
mentioning that, I should say the immune system is so
affected by yeast that you can develop other infections. I
am quite convinced from my previous patient population and now
(22:22):
my customer population that when you have yeast overgrowth, that
I'm talking about it intestinely, but I'm talking about it
in your sinuses, in your ear, canals, in your mouth,
in vaginale for women, prostatitis and penile infections in men.
(22:44):
And what happens when your immune system is low and
you have a lot of yeast, it'll harbor viruses, bacteria,
and parasites. And I know in my customer population, we
do not have people who complain to us about parasites.
(23:04):
When I start, I had yeast. I didn't know it
when I was going through med school. As soon as
we got into the hospitals doing you know, rotations, taking
patient histories, et cetera. And that was year two, I
developed bacterial stapleococcal nasal boils, which I realized later when
(23:28):
I studied yeast overgrowth, that that was yeast weakening or
irritating or creating mucush that harbored the bacteria. So if
if I just go crazy on desserts or a lot
of fruit, I might start to get an inkling of
(23:49):
a nasal boil and I say, okay, quit that I
live in Maui, I have to eat fruit. So anyway,
I'm running around the block here, But maybe you can
pull me back in line.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Then ask me a question that has so many good tips.
I was taking notes the whole time, as I always
do when I get to chat with you, and I
would love to really delve into the practical now because
it blew my mind. We touched on this even briefly
in our other episodes, but how much seems to be
connected to yeast and seemingly how this is kind of
like the cornerstone that if we understand it and address
(24:24):
it in a way that supports the body so we're
not further stressing the body out, but it can give
the immune system, like you explained, kind of a light
up to battle all these other things that people are
trying to sort of like tackle and spot treat without
having to sort of tackle everything differently, like you tied
this into the thyroid, how it's connected to hormones, even parasites,
leaky got skin issues, Like so much seems to fall
(24:46):
under this umbrella, and it sounds like there's some really
important general guidelines like minimizing antibiotics whom we can, minimizing
excess carbon and sugar women can, keeping hormones in the
right balance, including our stress hormones, and then on the positive,
making sure we have minerals imbalance, making sure we're hydrated,
probably things like getting enough natural lights so ourselves are
(25:06):
functioning properly. And I know you have whole protocols for
this that I'll link to, but can you kind of
walk us through, like what to do about it peace,
because I would guess a lot of people listening are
hearing things you're saying and going, oh, my gosh, I
wonder if I have YaST overgrowth right.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Again. It can sound complex, but the way I work
it with people, which are now my customers, I have,
you know, several hundred thousand customers who use my products,
so we get feedback. And what I say to people is,
(25:44):
don't think that you have to deprive yourself on day
one with whatever you're doing that you think you're doing wrong,
Because if you give yourself a whole list of oh,
I can't do that, I can't do and you are
already feeling fatigued, you're already on the edge of I
can't I can't take it. You're on the edge of
(26:07):
two toxic to detox. Then I say to people, and
I've written this in my I have a yeast book.
I think it's still available. Reset the yeast connection, and
I have to update all my books, kid because the
FDA doesn't like me talking about my products. You'll notice
(26:30):
I don't say the names of my products. So it's
it's really quite crazy how we can't educate the public.
But what I say in my in my protocols is
if you feel very toxic, then you start with sillium
seed powder. And sillium seed is a bulker. It will
(26:52):
it will pull out toxins. It will kind of stop
some of the hrkzheimer that a person is feeling. Herkzheimer's
is when you have an infection and the die off
products are making you feel miserable. Bacteria have toxins that
give you a Herzeimer, So if a person is feeling miserable,
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they're releasing all these east toxins and it's affecting the body.
So cilium seed one teaspoon to a tablespoon. You put
it in just a couple of ounces of water, shake
it up real quick and drink it real quick because
it turns into a jelly mask. And then you drink
another eight or ten ounces of water after that, and
(27:37):
it kind of brooms through the intestines. You don't want
to eat or take your supplements for an hour at
least an hour after that to let it go through.
And what I'm convinced that this celium seed and bent
night clay that I'll mention in a second, I'm convinced
that they are going to help pull out plastics and
(28:01):
you know, maybe even the dying cells that have spike
protein in them. Because our cells are always transitioning. We
cannot put it in our mind that if we have poisons,
heavy metals, or toxins or even spike protein, that they're
always going to be there. Our cells are rotating anywhere
(28:24):
from ten days to maybe a month or so. And
what my overall protocol is, make new healthy cells. You're
going to be making new cells, so don't make them
with sugar or omega six seed oils or any of
(28:48):
the negative things that you hear about. We all know
what we should avoid, but sometimes we just don't have
the wheel power because we're either addicted or just so
fatigued you know, we'll drink all the coffee. We can't
coffee drain your minerals. So you start with silium seed
and pull out toxins, bed tonight clay. You can get
(29:12):
edible clay and put a teaspoon to a tablespoon. You
can mix it in with the silium. It takes. It
feels kind of gritty, but it's because it's dirt. So
you're doing that to clean out the toxins, and then
you're starting to take the mineral support nutrients to make
(29:34):
your new perfect cells. And in my world, it's not
esoteric herbs and crazy crazy things that are now being sold.
The natural supplement industry has been so commercialized and blooded
(29:54):
with all these oul I mean alphalopoeic good. If you
have liver problems, everything has a place, but you have
to start with the basics. Basics are magnesiums and vitamin C.
Vitamin C is huge. It is so huge with yeast
overgrowth because vitamin C and glucose compete for transport on insulin.
(30:25):
So think of that. If you're eating a lot of sugar,
the insulin say, okay, I got to push this sugar
into the cell so it won't damage other areas. But
if there's also vitamin C involved, then there's more kind
of relatively more sugar than there glucose sugar than there
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is vitamin C. The sugar gems into the cell, the
vitamin C is not getting in. Vitamin C has to
be in the cell to clear as an antioxidant, to
clear the waste products in the cell, and to make collagen.
So you really need to be taking food based vitamin
(31:07):
C and ascorbic acid. I'm telling people now, I'm looking
at like eight thousand five eight thousand milligrams of vitamin
C and you have people say, oh, it's going to
cause kidney stones. No it won't, Oh it's going to
do this and that. I used to be just a
promonent proponent of food based vitamin C because it has tyrosine,
(31:30):
which is a building block of thyroid hormones. So the
vitamin C hole and we talk about fruit for that.
But you know, if you eat too much fruit you
will get elevated, triglyscerized. So everything has to be in balanced. Okay,
I know I sigde biro lot so I'm saying make
perfect cells. You've got your bentonite and cilium going you're
(31:54):
taking your Picometer stabilized magnesium mines, you're taking your multiple
mineral and that's supportive of the immune system and your thyroid,
and you could add my antifungal and the Pikometer silver
in amongst all that. And the Pikometer silver is amazing
(32:18):
because it neutralizes toxins. So if you have Herzheimer's, this
silver is going to make you feel like you can
deal with a yeast treatment that won't cause a lot
of waste products. I mean, people who try to go
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on strict diets for weight loss or strict diet for
yeast overgrowth, they often just can't take it because they
have so many talks and they feel so bad. So
then I the vitamin C for sure, and then I
work with D three K two. I work with omega
(33:02):
three fatty acids, but from algae. I'm very concerned about
the way fish oils to make vitamin D are cleaned
with hexanes and gases and all kinds of things, because
they have so much bercury and toxicity in fish liver.
(33:24):
So I go algae are that's the food that that
fish eat to make their own omega three fatty acids.
So I just go to the Omega three fatty acids
of algae, and algae can be grown safely organically, and
it doesn't have the potential toxins up the fish oils,
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and fish oils they always made me burp. That was
another reason. And the third reason is I live in
Maui and the whales that come here every season eat krill,
and krill tends to be the biggest source of omega
three fish oils, and I'm not going to starve the whales,
So I think I've covered everything. I also work with
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a protein and I don't think we're allowed to call
it a meal replacement. A protein powder which is New
Zealand way, which is negative caseine and very low lactose,
so it suit it suits people who like in my case,
I can take it every day, but I perhaps the
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lactose sugar would bother someone who's very severely yeast overgrown.
So that's the basics. I find that if someone has
a stable amount of magnesium that saturates the cell and
(34:55):
leads the immune system to work on yeast, that's a
starting and then adding just the other nutrients, you don't
get a lot of symptoms that are misdiagnosed. See what
happens if you don't have enough magnesium and you have migraines, Okay,
you go to the doctor and you get horrendously toxic
(35:18):
drugs for migraines because there's such severe pain. If you
don't have enough magnesium, you'll get her palpitations, which is
what I suffered from. And we probably said this in
our first interview. The reason why I got so focused
on finding a non laxative magnesium is I can't take
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magnesium compounds more than fifty milligrams because they give me
the laxative effect. And for doctors, even to this day,
you know, famous doctors on their worldwide blogs are saying, oh, yeah,
just take magnesium until you get the laxative effect and
then cut back, and and that shows you're saturated. And
(36:02):
that is not true. So we've got people with high
blood pressure from magnesium deficiency. They're given drugs. Those drugs
deplete more minerals, and then their blood pressure continues to
be elevated, and they're put on three more drugs, and then
those drugs affect the magnesium again, and then they're developing
(36:27):
diabetes and cholesterol from magnesium deficiency. So that's probably a
repeat of our last conversation, but that's where we can
solve so many problems just by becoming saturated with magnesium.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, that's so fascinating to me, and you certainly made
a really strong case for that in our other episodes
that I'll link to, of course in the show notes,
and I was taking scopious notes while you were explaining that,
even on little things like that distinction of taking both
food based and a scorbic acid form vitamin C, because
I know that's a controversial, hotly debated topic. And I
think what really stands out to me about your approach
(37:08):
as well, is that this all highlights working in harmony
with the body, supporting what the body already knows how
to do. It's not overriding anything, it's not wiping out
the yeast, it's not attacking the parasites. It's supporting the
body and doing what the body already knows how to do,
just getting the things out of its way that are
keeping it from being able to function optimally. And so
I love that that's been woven into every topic that
(37:31):
we've gotten to talk about in every podcast we've had,
and I feel like you've walked us through such a
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what to do about it, as well as some potentially
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make sure we just briefly touch on as well, are
there any other uncommon signs of yeast overgrowth that people
might miss or not associate with yeast and or are
there any other protective things that we can all do
that are just generally supportive of the body and its
(41:30):
resilience in keeping yeast in the proper balance to begin with.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, that's that's a good intro to looking at the
environmental associations with the yeast and what do you think
that is mold? So, if you've had a leak in
your house and you know there's black mold on the
wall or hidden in a cupboard, and you're walking around
(41:56):
feeling feeling irritated, you're nasl membranes are irritated, you've got headaches,
you feel foggy, and you don't even recognize the mold.
I mean, one of the things that a doctor should
be asking when a person has those symptoms is have
you had a flood recently? I just feel so badly
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for all the people who've been in these horrible floods
and tornadoes and hurricanes. They get wiped out with the
water and they're going to get moldy. And there's a
cross reactivity of symptoms with people who have yeast overgrowth
and who are exposed to mold. And that is evidenced
(42:42):
by one of the seven questions. Do you react negatively
in a moldy damp environment? Are you worse in the
fall when there's rain and the leaves are falling and
they smell moldy? Do you react and you're walking down
certain aisles in the grocery store. The laundry products are
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the worst because they start irritating the mucous membranes. But
I think that's a huge problem when someone has sort
of if a mold expert comes in and says, oh,
it's kind of mild, we can do this or that,
people can get away with just putting an ozone machine
(43:27):
in their house, putting it in a room where you
shut the door, and letting it run for half an hour.
It can start clearing out the mold. I have one
kind of a just in case or to lend out
to people. You can actually get rid of mold once
(43:47):
you sort of clean up the area or even cut
out the jip rock or the pasteboard that is molded.
But that is huge. I've never really got into mold
restoration or anything like that with my patients or customers,
(44:08):
but I start with the Ozo machine. What is your
experience with mold and treating it?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Thankfully, as far as I know, I've never had a
direct mold exposure other than in travel environments where I
noticed my body react to it. But I haven't lived
in a moldi environment, but several of my close friends have,
and I've seen the drastic process of remediation and then
the like kind of follow up on the health and
how long it can take for the body to come
back into balance, especially after a long term exposure. And
(44:39):
I know that that's also a thing that often gets
missed for people because it's not like there's an easy
simple test to just for sure no, yes or no
if you have mold in your home. It's a little
bit complicated to even find out sometimes, and then remediation
can seem overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
To a lot of people, right. I think here are
services where you can order eggar plate that you can
open the top of an eggar plate, place them around
your house and see what grows. Something is going to grow,
and then you send those plates back to a lab
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and they'll tell you if you have you know, something
horrible that you should be concerned about. So there's that.
And if someone is in a molding environment, you put
them on a yeast protocol because you know that they're
cross reacting.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, that makes complete sense. That almost nothing is ever
a single cause it's like multifaceted. And I love that
we got to do a whole other episode on this
because we only briefly got to touch on it in
our past interviews. And I feel like this of course
deserved its own episode, and probably could be many follow
up episodes as well. But is there anything related to
this topic that we haven't covered yet or that I
(45:54):
haven't thought to ask you.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I think I'm just thinking now because I just visited
a young friend who had a baby, and I'm thinking,
how after you well, during the pregnancy and especially after delivery,
your thyroid can be really affected. Your hormones are elevated,
(46:17):
so you can have yeast. I have had patients in
my practice way back in Toronto in the eighties that
the child would have chronic ear infections. I had this
a nurse who brought her son in eighteen months old.
He'd been on antibiotics ten times for ear infections, and
(46:41):
she said, I just don't buy it anymore. She said,
the discharge from his ear smells kind of moldy. And
then I asked her and yes, she had Canada vaginitis
during the birth time. So we treated she was I
think she was still breastfeeding. We treated her with what
(47:01):
I knew back then for yeast overgrowth, and it stopped
the whole process of these yeast infections. So yeast is
big around pregnancy, as is thyroid. What happens with the
thyroid with the pregnancy is you have to help grow
(47:24):
your baby's thyroids, so it does drain the nutrients that
are working on your thyroid. And if you don't have
the nine minerals to make thyroid hormones, then you're going
to be deficient and perhaps the baby will as well.
And the way the I don't know if I talked
(47:44):
about this before, but the way the minerals work, I
don't think it's like an assembly line. I think everything's
going on at once. But we know T three and
T four thyroid hormones. The three and the four indicate
how many iodine atoms are attached, so we think, okay,
(48:05):
give more iodine and then we'll get better thyroid. But
the way the transition works to make the active T
three from T four is it goes through selenium and
cobalt and copper and manganese and molybdenum and zinc and magnesium.
(48:27):
I don't know if I'm mentioned all nine, but it
is quite a process that nobody is paying attention to.
We've got these layers of possibilities where I mean allopathic medicine.
They'll wait till your thyroid is punked out out and
give you synthetic thyroid hormone. Even in alternative medicine, they'll
(48:51):
wait till your thyroid is punked out and give you
a natural thyroid hormone that doesn't come close to having
the minerals you need. And what everybody is missing is
this basic groundwork of the nutrients that make yourselves and
make it possible for you to be healthy. And for me,
(49:14):
it obviously started with magnesium. I was in New York
do his a clinical study on ADS back in the
early nineties using a herbal homeopathic acupuncture modality, and it
was very stressful because doctor Fauci was trying to stop
(49:34):
people doing alternatives because he just wanted people to take
his AZT, so major stress. I went through early menopause
that I was in my mid forties at that time,
and I had yeast. I had everything going on. And
you've mentioned several times about stress and the stress. Cortisol
(49:59):
will also grow yeast. It will also retain belly fat
because when you're under stress, the body thinks you're going
to die or you're going to go through starvation, so
it's going to store fat. So all these things are
mixed together. But if we just look at the basics,
(50:23):
as I said, avoid sugar and gluten and dairy maybe
for three weeks and see how you feel. And also
maybe avoid fruit, and after three weeks start maybe an apple,
a tangerine, one or two fruits a day, and after
(50:47):
that maybe once a week have some bread. I'm still
not good with bread. If I eat it every day,
I start to get gas and bloating. I'm not able
to digest it. Maybe there's an allergy. But you do
your own experiment with these things. And if certainly after
sugar you will you can feel bit different. So you
(51:10):
do your diet, you take the nutrients I talked about,
and as you get more energy with your magnesium. Magnesium
is necessary, as I said, for so much in the body,
but including making energy molecules. You're atp and researchers mitochondria
(51:31):
is where we make this energy. There's so much talk
now about all mitochondrial disease and what do we need,
and they never say magnesium, whereas in mitochondrial research everybody
knows that atp is really atp mg for magnesium. You
wouldn't have that molecule without magnesium. But the reason it's
(51:55):
it's ignored so much is because there's no good blood
test for it, so we've just dismissed it. Doctors think
it's a laxative more than anything. So I guess I'm
beating the drum for people to take more magnesium and
if they get the laxative effect from the magnesium that's
(52:16):
in your cupboard, take my magnesium and seeing how much
better you feel. So it can be very basic and
very quote simple.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, I'm on the magnesium side. I'll certainly link to
our episode all about that, because you are, of course
one of the leading experts in the world on the topic,
and you explained it so well in that episode. We've
done two episodes together in the past. I'll link to those,
so if you guys haven't listened, I highly recommend those.
And this I feel like has been a masterclass in
all things yeast, which I feel like as a topic
(52:47):
that's not as well known, it's not as much of
a buzzword, and from what you explained in this episode,
is seemingly connected to so many things and might be
the missing piece for a lot of people on health,
especially when you understand that the working through the YaST
overgrowth includes things like getting your minerals imbalance and how
that impacts so many other areas of the body as well.
(53:08):
I'll link to the products we talked about to more
resources people can find where you talk about this more
in depth. But Carolyn is always such a pleasure. I've
loved learning prom you once again. Thank you so much
for all that you've shared and for being here.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Thank you. Can I one more thing you kept asking me,
you knew there was something else. I equate yeast over
growth and magnesium deficiency to autoimmune disease. When you think
of the nast toxins cross reacting with organs, what happens
is the immune system will attack the toxins, but at
(53:45):
the same time they end up attacking the organs like
collateral damage. So autoimmune disease. Do a yeast protocol and
take your magnesium amazing well.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Like I said, all those links will be in the
show notes. I love that we've gotten to do a
few episodes together. Hopefully we get to do more again
at some point in the future, but for today, thank
you so much for your time.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
And thank you for your work. It's very important to
get these messages out to people, and thank.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
You for your time today for listening. We're both so
grateful that you did, and I hope that you will
join me again on the next episode of the Wellness
Mama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews, would you please
take two minutes to leave a rating or review on
iTunes for me. Doing this helps more people to find
the podcast, which means even more moms and families could
(54:36):
benefit from the information. I really appreciate your time and
thanks as always for listening.
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