November 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Episode Highlights With Faraz Khan
- His own personal story with hair loss and how it dramatically impacted him
- How he researched how to get his hair back without pharmaceuticals
- The biggest “aha” he had about reversing hair loss and how he reversed his extreme hair loss
- Number one cause of hair loss in women and men
- How stress relates to hair loss and what we can do about it
- How vitamin D, B12, zinc, and iron are important for hair
- Why he recommends water based serums daily over oily or thicker serums
- His take on scalp massages and how to do them the right way
- How low circulation comes into play with hair loss
- His recommended protocol that is most effective in the fewest steps
- The maximum length for a hair derma roller is 1mm and best practices for derma rolling
- The truth about red light for hair and how to use it
- Specific tips for dry or brittle hair
- His specific products with money back guarantee
- FullyVital hair products - use code WELLNESSMAMA for 15% off
- Anti-aging Hacks and Fully Vital Hair on Instagram
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A t I n E. Hello and welcome to the
Waleslama podcast. I'm Katie from Walessama dot com and this
episode tackles the topic of how to naturally combat hair
thinning and to get longer, thicker hair naturally. And today's guest,
(03:00):
roz Con, has a fascinating story with this with very
early hair loss and his incredible journey to reverse that.
He has amazing hair now and what do you learned
in the process of including how this is a very
multi factorial approach, how a lot of the common advice
is not necessarily helpful, and the things that actually seem
to work and move the needle. I learned a lot
(03:21):
in this episode. It's something I'm trying now currently, not
because I'm necessarily losing my hair, but because after six pregnancies,
I would like it to be a little less dry
and a little thicker, and so I'm trying his products
now as well. I think you'll learn a lot in
this episode, and he really tackles some of the root causes,
including a lot of things that are within your own
power to shift within your lifestyle at no cost that
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can really benefit your hair. So let's jump in and
join him now for Oz. Welcome. Thank you so much
for being here.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Headie, thank you for having me. I'm really excited to
be on your show.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm excited to chat with you, not only because you
are an in real life friend, but because the topics
we are going to get to dive into today, I
feel are very relevant for women at various phases of
life in general, and for a lot of people actually
post COVID. This is a pain point that seemingly isn'tsolved
for a lot of people, and that is the topic
of thinning hair and how to grow thicker and longer
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hair naturally. And I feel like even for people who
maybe don't have alopecia or an acute issue, we still
all want to have healthy, beautiful hair. I know this
is something for me with like postpartum, I have had
ups and downs with over the years and a lot
that goes into it. So as a little bit of background,
maybe give us some of how you got into your
research around this particular area, and then kind of some
(04:35):
of the background things that are going on in the
body when there's hair loss.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, totally. This has been a very, very long period
of suffering for me as one of the biggest insecurities
I've had in my life. I was twenty one in college, confident,
college athlete, soccer athlete, and my goal of that is
to be confident and get a girlfriend. But the universe
had other plants, and which was I was shampooing my
hair one time, look down on my hands and it's
(05:01):
full of my beautiful dark hair, and I was just
so shocked at that moment. My stress levels went from
four to and eleven, and I started thinking about, well,
why is this happening? You know, this is not fair?
Why is God doing this to me? Like where did
I do? I'm a good kid, you know, And the
thought of having a girlfriend was now further and further
away because you're losing your confidence. So I was blaming myself.
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And I didn't know where this was happening, and so
I started looking at I started thinking of where this
comment from Braddler had so much hair. I couldn't believe
even more than me at twenty one, but my mom's
out of the family. There was thinning going on for
two brevocals, one with the other one was rapidly losing
his hair. Okay, the nettik it came side. I am
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cursed trying to do all the things. I tried the
biotine supplements. I tried other supplements. I tried hair oiled,
rosemary oil, other other oils that made my hair snow
a lot. I tried yogurt in my scalp, egg yolks,
like shampoos, everything that I could, A lot of things,
and none of them stopped my hair loss, but they
slowed it down a bunch. And I remember my grandmother
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telling me that, you know, if you shave your hair,
then it comes back thicker and coarser. And so I
was so desperate that I shaved my head three times
to try to save my hair. But that doesn't do anything.
It is flash it doesn't help, and so don't try
shaving your head. I don't even look good with a
shaved head, and so that just kept going. At the
age of twenty five, after grad school, I was so
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frustrated with my hair loss that I went to a
hair transplant surgeon in Denver, Colorado, and I said, please Doc.
This was in two thousand and five. I said, please, Doc,
put me out of my misery. I can't do this anymore.
I'm tired of waking up with so many hairs on
my pillow. And so really nice lady doctor, she said,
you know, you happen to have female pattern hair loss,
not male which some men can have. And this is
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because I got it from my mom, presumably, and so
she said I can't there's no area where you have
lost all of your hair, so I can just transplant
them in. Otherwise, this is why women have challenges hair transplants,
because when you try to transplant hairs into areas where
there's other hairs. Those other hairs can fall off because
of shock loss. And so she said, you can't, you're
not a good candidate. But I've got a pill for you.
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And I said, okay, what's the bill do She says, well,
it's called Finasteride, which I'm sure anybody, even women with
hair loss, would have heard about, but it has a
whole list of sexual side effects for men. And I said, no,
I'm I'm in the prime of my life sexually. I'm
not going to take this pill. And so I go
home and seven days of more waking up and bunch
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of hairs on the pillow, I called her and I said,
give me a fail I'll take it. And so I
did that for twelve years and then after that, and
still my hair kept falling out over time, and it
got to the point we're in Los Angeles, that's wherever
at the time, I was using hair fibers in my scalp.
(07:56):
She kind of cut over stuntboard in areas so people
couldn't skimp my scout and at least town where you
get judged very quickly in appearance, and so I was
doing that, but then changed my cut into podcasting and
in particular there's got to be in there, and so
I world two lost conferences mirror doctors, and then I traveled.
(08:18):
I traveled to Bangkok for six different cities and then
really learned from them either also on in front of
the camera and also behind the camera, because they took
me back into their practice and they showed me they
were doing BRP, they were doing hair transplants, and so
I really got to see both sides of it. And
then I came back and consulted with chemists. I read
hundreds of scientific papers and then I said, Okay, I've
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been unsuccessful this whole time, but is there a way
to get my hair back without using pharmaceuticals? That was
the big question as trying to solve. And the answer
I came to after about a year and a half
of research into the space is that yes there's a way.
But the big aha for me it is that you
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cannot do warm things at that time, because all of
us have probably tried to shampoo or a supper mite
or a stare arm and it may have worked, but
more likely than not it did not. And so the
big aha I had is that you have to do
four or five things at once for hair loss, in
particular for it to actually have a measure backed on you.
(09:22):
And so immediately I have what was applying caffeine to
my scalp, and I didn't have any caffeine at the time,
so I'd just make coffee and then use a cotton
to like put that into my scalp, which messed up
my catratops. But I was spending maybe two hours a
day and five hundred bucks a month on this new
technique that i'd found, and lo and behold, three months later,
I had a lot of hair going back, and I
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was looking at the mirror and just smiling. So the
first time in my life, I was smiling about my
hair because I had all these hairs going back, and
so that gave me a lot of confidence, and I
realized that it doesn't have to be permanent. You don't
have to lose your hair if you can address it
the right way. I'm not saying that everybody is going
to get rest, but most people can, and especially for women,
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because hair loss is multi factorial for women and really
doesn't go all the way like with men. And so
that's when I enrolled three female friends and two male
friends to try to do this as well, just to
make sure it works in others, and the women had
better results than the men, and so for men now
I advise maybe adding a couple extra things, but for women,
they had great results with the protocol, and that's when
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I decided to bring these products to market. But the
biggest TAHA for me is after all of those experiments
that we did, is that you want to try you
want to have multiple things at the same time, three
to four to five techniques at the same time to
get really good results with hair growth. So that is
my big AHA that I'd learned from like twenty five
years of struggle with hair growth. And if you want,
(10:44):
we can get into some of the root causes especially.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I would love to go into the root causes,
and then of course hear more detail about the protocol
as well, because I'm sure people have come across things,
especially on Instagram. I see so many ads for them,
for different just shampoos or like the single products you mentioned,
and it makes sense to me that it would be,
like many areas of healthic, a multifactorial thing, and that
for someone who is having that experience, you'd want to
address as many things as possible and get results as
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quick as possible. So definitely want to get there too.
But let's start with what are some of the primary
reasons going on. I would guess we've got hormone imbalances
as one potential cause. I know people talk about hair
loss post COVID seemingly there could be a stress factor,
even if it's cellular or mitochondrial stress. But what all
is going on when someone starts losing their hair and
they haven't had that before.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So you're absolutely right, Gattie. The number one reason of
herathining in women and in men is hormonal and women.
I talk to a lot of women all the time
and they suspect it as their hormones, and that's absolutely true.
For women. What happens is that after the age of
thirty five, their estrogen and progesterone levels start to decline,
which leads to a relative imbalance with testosterone. This testosterone
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converts to dihydro testosterone or DHD, and it travels up
to a hair follicles and it starts to shrink them.
This is why you see men that are between ages
eighteen and twenty five have such rapid hair thinning. Hair
loss is because testosterone levels are very high at that time.
But for women, this happens after the age of thirty five,
after the age of forty, as their hormones start changing.
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And so that is the number one reason. And so
what we want to do is we want to block
or reduce the amount of testosterone to die hydro testosterone
using there's natural supplements that we can use. But one
question I've gotten on this is how do we know
that it's hormonal hair loss. Well, if you're over the
age of forty, that's almost always at risk for women.
(12:30):
But I have a friend Lisa, she lives in Chicago.
She asked me this very question, and I said, Lisa,
next time you're washing your hair in the shower, just
take all the hair strands in your hands and then
stick them in the tiles in the shower, and then
just look at them. Look at them right then, and
then come back and look at them later. If you
notice that some hairstrands are thinner and some are thicker,
then that is a telltale sign that you have hormonal
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hair thinning going on. The Other one is that you
have when you have hair loss on the top the
crown or all the way to the front and the temples.
That is the danger zone for hormonal hair thinning. And
so if that's where you're losing your hair, then it's
more than likely it's hormonal. And so then at that
point we have different strategies to kind of combat the hormones.
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The other thing that you brought up, Katie, was COVID
hair loss, and we also see a zempic hair loss
kind of lumped into this, but there's this high levels
of stress that can happen for short periods of time,
like childbirth also falls in this category. Childbirth, COVID, we've
got a zen pic hair loss. So some of these
things are surgery. You could have a breakup, you could
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be moving to a different home, to a different city
where there's a lot of uncertainty, or something in the
body that changes. This can cause an acute hair loss,
a acute stress, and your body thinks that it's in trouble,
that your survival is at stake, and so what the
body does is it pulls all the critical resources minerals,
vitamins away from the hair follicles, which are ultimately expendable,
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they're not important for you to survive. It pulls all
the critical resources a way towards the core organs, and
so what happens as a result is that your hair
follicles shift from the growth phase into the resting phase.
A lot of them will shift, and then they have
to fall out before they grow back again. So women
might lose forty fifty, sixty, seventy percent of their hair
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it two or three months after COVID, two or three
months after childbirth, and so it's a very scary time
and it's a very delicate time because your hair is
going through this renewal process, and what we want to
make sure is that every single hair grows back. But
for women especially, what happens that there's multiple root causes
of hairtening going on at the same time. And so
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even though your hair is supposed to all come back,
there's something else that might be preventing a bunch of
your hairs from growing black. And so we want to
address all of those root causes so that you have
the best chance of getting the thick hair that you had.
So that's COVID and that's short term stress.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Which and it makes sense to me that there would
be a big hormonal component. And like I said, I've
experienced the postpartum hair loss and the hormone side of that.
Any women talk about it, and it was my experience
of having like amazing hair during pregnancy and then the
hair loss after and then it all comes back. So
I've seen the ups and downs with hormones. What are
things we can do, especially at home, where like, are
there things we can do that are in our owner
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ability to do without having to go through like hormone
replacement or talk to a doctor? Like, how do you
encourage women to navigate that?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, So a couple of other things that are that
happen quite quite frequently with female hair loss in particular,
is this ongoing stress because women are doing so much.
You're taking care of the kids. You probably have parents
that are aging and so you're taking care of them.
You're probably taking care of the house, You're buying everything
to the family. It's a woman does two or three
jobs full time and it doesn't get enough thanks for it.
(15:43):
So I really want to acknowledge all the moms in
the audience. You guys are carrying the weight of the
world in your shoulders, So kudos. But that said, this
comes with the higher amounts of stress and so and
this is ongoing stress, different from acute stress that we
talked about with covid et cetera. And so this ongoing
stress also has been linked to ongoing shedding. So you
will just lose, you know, fifty sixty one hundred, two
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hundred hairs every single day and you're not quite sure
why this is happening. So this is this is ongoing
shedding that's happening. And what you can do at home
is to get more more grounded, get more balanced, maybe
take walks, maybe do a start a meditation practice, but
anything you can do to lower your stress will go
a long way towards stopping this particular top of hair loss,
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the other aspect is we get with a nutritional hair loss.
There's there's five ingredients that are very very critical for
hair growth and healthy hair and these are vitamin D three,
fol eight B twelve, zinc, and iron. And so you
want to make sure you get all five of these
in the middle of the range, not on the low end.
A lot of us are on the low end with
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vitamin D three, you want to be in the middle
of the range for all five of these, if not
a little bit higher than the middle. But the middle
is fine. And so I had a friend in la Ashley.
She called me and she said, hey, I'm losing my hair.
I don't know what's going on. So, you know, she's
only thirty four. I said, hormones should not be an
issue at the moment. So I asked her what's changed,
and she goes, well, my coworker left and now I'm
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having to do her job and so I'm doing more.
You know, I'm staying late, I'm stressed. So obviously, okay,
stress is one factor. And I said, has anything else
changed actually, and she goes, no, nothing's changed. Oh, actually
I've gone vegan over the last four months. I'm like, okay, cool,
no problem. But if you are going to go vegan,
then that pursue at risk for being low and iron
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be twelve foll eight and also zinc and so those
are all critical nutrients for the hair. So at home
you can do this. You want to make sure that
you are you're getting enough of those big five and
you know, next time you go to your doctor, you
can even do a test, but you could do this
at home even out of tests. Make sure you're getting
enough of those five nutrients and you're supplementing. If you're
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not getting enough of those right so you can you
can do that at home. In addition, people talk about
hair lost shampoos all the time, and this is probably
the least thing I would try because they're not that effective.
The reason why is because most women wash their hair
one to two times a week. It is just what
it is. Because I talk to women a lot, and
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if you're washing your hair so little and you're applying
shampoo for five minutes a week, is just not that effective.
I would much rather use a hair serum that stayed
on your scalp for eight to ten hours, or something
that's more effective for longer, or a supplement for example,
instead of trying to rely on a shampoo. And a
lot of mark companies will market their shampoos it's hair
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growth shampoo, and it's going to do this and it's
going to do that. Unfortunately, that is just marketing speak
that is not true. So I would caution women from
relying too much on shampoos as your go to strategy
for hair growth.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That makes sense because it's just not on the scalp
that much. And I know there's like seemingly I've seen
so many protocols with hair oiling, which you mentioned you
tried with hair serums, like what are the things that
actually move the needle? And also is there an order
in a protocol to this, because I've seen so many
conflicting things of like never do it on dirty hair
only you do it right after washing your hair, but
then you have to wash your hair again, Like what
(19:03):
is the rhythm for all that?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, I love that question, So the order would be.
I'm a big proponent of whatever you can use consistently
is very very important. And so if you're going to
use a serum a lot of at least on TikTok,
you'll say, oh, rosemary oil, did this or that? Have
you tried using rosemary oil every day? It's impossible, right,
you cannot. Women will not wash their hair every day,
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so you're not going to be consistent. And so what
I highly recommend is to use a water based serum
that you can use every single day. So it's not oily,
it's not mokey, it's not dirty, it's not going to
attract more dust and dirt into your hair follicles. It's
going to allow your scalp to breathe. It's going to
allow your sea bump to be redistributed, and you'll actually
use it every single day. So for hair serum that
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you can apply in the evening that kind of dries
off by the time you wake up in the morning
and you can style your hair normally. That doesn't cause
you to wash your hair every second or third day.
That allows you to keep your hair w schedule as
long as it's a couple of times a week. I
do recommend if you're experiencing hair tenning, then washing your
hair a little bit more, at least two times a week,
if not more, can help keep the scalp very very clean.
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The other thing that you could do is I love brushing.
I absolutely love brushing the scalp or massaging the scalp.
When I was losing my hair for twenty years, I
absolutely did not want to touch my hair at all
because every time I touched it more hair would fall out.
But I was thinking about it the wrong way because
the more you massage your scalp, the more you brush
your scalp, the more there is circulation coming in. That
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circulation brings nutrients, That circulation brings vitamins, which are very
very critical to your hair. So I've turned around on
this and I'm a big proponent of massaging and brushing
your hair or your scalp. You want to be very
gentle with your hair, but firm on your scalp. And
then you want to use a water based serum that
is effective and what is effective really, so I can
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touch on this and in both when it comes to
supplements and when it comes to serums for hair growth
or stopping hairtening. You want to target the root causes,
which is how we think about it, is to target
all the root causes that are implicated with hair loss.
So what are the root causes. We've got hormonal impact,
which we want to balance with DHD. We've got inflammation
that has been linked to hair loss, so we want
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to make sure the inflammation levels are balanced. There is
oxidative stress that can cause harotining and hair loss, so
we want to make sure we address that. There is
low circulation. This is a big one. We strongly believe
in this low circulation which you're not getting enough blood
flow and nutrients, So that's a big one as well.
So what you want and then stress, of course, as
we talked about, that's a big one. So what we
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want to do is to create a protocol that addresses
all of these root causes at once without you having
to buy fifteen different products, which is what I had
to do when I was going to this journey. So
if you're using a supplement, then I encourage using a
supplement that's well balanced, that covers everything. It gives you
the nutrition, but it also balance all the root causes
of hair growth as many as possible at the same time.
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Same thing for the serum, I wanted to be water based.
I wanted to address inflammation, circulation, hormones, oxidative stress, scalp
paging all of those at the same time without you
having to go by other things. The third the other
item that I really love is a derm roller, And
by itself, a Dermo roller has shown about fifteen percent
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net new growth without any other ingredients, without any other
protocol mixed in. And so if you can add a
derm roller and use it one to two times a week,
that's highly effective. When I work with women, I typically
recommend that and they use the Derma roller as well,
and so that is something. So if you were to
do a protocol, Katie, as you asked me, I would
do a supplement the targets as many root causes as possible.
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I would do a serum that targets as many root
causes as possible and as water based and clean. I
would do a Dermo roller, and I would do a
hair rush. This is the minimum I would do, and
then we could talk about a shampoo. But that's way
lower on the scale for me than these big four.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm taking so many notes. I would love to go
through a few rapid fire clarifying questions. The first being
with a Derma roller, any specifics around that? Is that
on clean hair only? Is that at a certain time
of day, and or like, how do you make sure
you do it in a way that doesn't like damage
the hair themselves?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah? Yeah, So you can use a Derma stamp, which
goes directly into the follicle. But I've found in working
with women is that it just takes too long, and
so it has to be quick. It has to be
in and out fifteen minutes. Because you want to derm
roll the areas of your scalp, you want to buy
a standless steel roller. The maximum length you want to
go is one millimeter an Any more than that you
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can go too deep and you have there's a risk
you might damage the scalp more than you're helping. And
so what this does is also you want to use it.
I typically use it in the evening. I use it
a couple of times a week. There's millions of people
using dirm rollers, by the way, you can google, you
can YouTube them and see their protocols. But I use
this in the evening, So I'll wash my hair in
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the morning, I'll use the dirm roller in the evening,
and then I'll apply a scalp serum. So I apply
a serum water based serum, because when you use the
drum roller, your channels are open, so it leads to
better penetration of the scalp serum. And so that's why
it even improves the efficacy of the scalp serum during
that time. So if you're doing it a couple of
times a week or even once a week, then use
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the serum right after and then you just go to bed,
wake up the next day. You can wash your hair,
or you can just style. It's if it's possible for
you to style. I typically just style my hair normally
the next day and I go about my day, so
I don't wash it every day, but it is it
is important for you to have clean head hair before
you use the drum roller because otherwise germs can get in. Also,
(24:40):
the other thing I do with the drum roller is
I dip it in Sorry I'm going over on this question,
but I dip it in alcohol for a few for
five minutes to kill all the germs before I apply
it on my scalp.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh that's a great tip as well. And I realized
not everyone might be watching on video. I'm seeing you
on video while we record, but some people might just
be listening. So I felt it important to point out
that you have really amazing hair now, So for anyone
doubting like this definitely does seem to work, and it
brings up some other rapid fire questions. I know, I
see a lot of things floating around about red light
for hair. I'm a big fan of red light in general,
(25:11):
and actually tell people like you don't even have to
spend thousands of dollars for like whole body red light
go in the sunrise in the sunset. Nature provides it
in abundance. But for hair specific, is there anything to
these red light helmets or more specific red light devices.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, great question. Again, this all the time, and
yes there is. I categorize all of these treatments and
techniques into two different buckets. When is a hair growth
promoter versus one that addresses root causes of hair thinning?
And so what I categorize the red light therapy is
in terms of hair growth promoter because it increases your
mitochondrial function and energy in your cells, which can allow
(25:45):
the cells to do their job. Now what I don't love,
as you also don't love, Katie, is the five thousand
dollars hair helmet. Like that's insane to me. Most people
I talk to will use it for three to four weeks,
maybe eight weeks, and then it's going to sit in
a closet somewhere, never to be used again. So if
you can add on, so do the basics to the
(26:06):
basics right, addrest the root causes, and then you can
add on the red light therapy. In addition, I prefer
a cap because it's more cost effective and again long term,
nobody uses it, but don't waste a lot of money.
It can it can help, So I'm a proponent of it,
but don't waste too much money. On it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Okay, So what about some of the more controversial things
I hear people talking about being especially damaging for hair,
specifically dry shampoo and hair extensions. What's your take on those?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, yes, I'm not a fan of hair extensions. I
am also broke control comes into this controversial aspect and
dry shampoo as well, because dry shampoo is typically just
hiding or masking the dirt that's in your hair, but
it's not going away. It's still sitting on your scalp,
and it's blocking your scalp from being squeaky clean, which
(26:53):
is what we want. It's getting the sea bumb kind
of stuck in there. And so what I recommend, especially
if you're losing your hair as a woman, you want
to wash your hair two to three times a week
to keep it relatively clean. And like we said, we
want to apply a water based serum so it doesn't
make your hair oily. That's how I would go about this.
And yeah, for shampoo, you can use any caffeine based
(27:16):
shampoo that caffeine seems to be an activator of hair
growth or prevents some of the hair loss, So you
can use a shampoo that includes some caffeine one percent
caffeine is what's recommended, and so that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Okay, and you mentioned pers control, I'd love to go
a little deeper on that as well as talk about
what about things like testosterone supplementation or other hormone replacement
or supplementation. How does that impact hair?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, totally so with hormone supplementation. So we see hormones
changing in a woman's body in a few different areas.
One is when they have pcos and it's early, they're
younger in life maybe or even mid age. That's fine,
but there's higher amounts of androgens or male hormones in
a woman's body at that time. And so translate again,
(28:01):
like we said, a higher testosterone converts to DHD, which
causes hair thining. Same thing happens with when you are
supplementing or using exogenous testosterone therapy. Then you're adding testrostone
into your body, which is really good and healthy in
most ways. But if you're experiencing hair thinning, and I
talk to women about this, I recommend pausing the testosterone
(28:21):
therapy while we get your hair in a really good place.
So three to five to six months, let's grow a
lot of your hairs back that's been thinning, and then
we can slowly start to add testosterone back at very
low levels and then go higher to see how your
hair responds by testosterone. And what's interesting about testosterone is
that it just might not be the diestosterone. A lot
(28:41):
of things can kick off hair loss, like high blood
pressure and metabolic dysfunction and stress levels. It just kicks
it off and then you get the hormonal hair thinning
going and so it doesn't almost always have to be testosterone.
There can be many triggers for it. But what we
want to do if we notice there's hormonal thinning going on,
we want to lure the risk factors, which is the diestosterone,
(29:03):
for a brief period, and then once we get your
hair back to where it is, then we can start
adding that back on with hormonal hair. Sorry, with the
birth control, Kittie. I've heard many doctors say this and
that when you take that on it changes your hormones,
and you know this quite well, I believe, and so
it changes your hormones in your body and that can
(29:24):
start to kick off something as well. There are so
many triggers to this hair thinning puzzle, and so we
want to make sure we're very, very delicate with hormone
changes or blocking or changing hormones inside our bodies. And
in many ways, birth control has been linked to additional
hair loss as well.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
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I n E. What about people who have specifically dry
or brittle hair, and that's their complaint, even if it
(32:34):
may or may not be fitting, but their hair is
very dry.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, great question. So what happens is the curlier your hair,
the dryer is going to be. And the reason is
so African American hair is very very curly and coily
and kinky, and the reason is more dry is because
it's it's hard for the moisture to travel down kink
gear hair. So if you have straight hair like Asian
(32:57):
hair or even straight Caucasian hair, then it's easier for
the moisture from your scalp to travel down the hair strand.
But the curlier the hair gets, the harder it is
for moisture to get down. So if you are, you
know you are. If you have those genetics, If you
have kinky, coily or even curly hair, then you're at
risk for having dryer hair anyway. Two, regardless if you
(33:18):
don't have if you're not at risk but you have
dryer hair, what happens typically is that you're not getting
enough oils, enough fats in your body. So you want
to get omega treas in particular, olive oil is a
good one. You want to get some of the key
nutrients like zinc and vitamin bees that are very very
very helpful. I would also encourage getting some silica and
keratin that helps with the hair strand itself that can
(33:40):
help improve and reduce your breakage, which a lot of
women go through.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Got it that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I feel like I had very straight hair early in life,
and then over time and six pregnancies, it changed and
got curly, but I was still treating it as straight hair.
So for a while, I'm like, why is my hair
so frizzy? And a friend finally told me, I think
you have wavy hair and you're just not taking care
of it correctly, and she showed me how to like
wash it a little differently, And it turns out I
do have wavy hair, so I'm still learning about and
my hair's more dry since having so many kids also,
(34:09):
And I feel like you could give it us such
a great comprehensive look at all the important like really
the levers that make the big difference and the things
to actually address that are going to work, versus just
like dumping money on things you see on Instagram. How
quickly do people typically start to see this turnaround? Like
it seems like you maybe saw results pretty quickly once
you actually figured out all these things to address. And
I know this is a really stressful thing like it
(34:31):
was for you, for anyone who's in that experience. So
if someone is willing to address the things you've talked about,
how quickly might they see a difference?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, that's a great question. Typically, because of the hair
growth cycle, it takes about ninety days three months to
see results. Anybody that promises you hair results in ten
twenty thirty days, six weeks or six weeks, you could
maybe start to see some early results, but you will
see real hair growth in about two to three months timeframe,
(35:00):
more higher than to usually and so that is why
I highly recommend going with the company also that can
guarantee your products for that amount of time. For a
lot of these companies that sell you hair bills or seerums,
for example, they have a thirty day money bag guarantee,
which I'm like, what's the point You're not going to
see results, especially with hair, and so why are you
offering such short guarantees. And that is one of my
(35:22):
frustrations with the industry when we were working on our products,
is that is just it doesn't set you up to
succeed in the right way, and so just just be patient,
please be consistent, to give it sixty to ninety days
and you will see results if you're used in the
right products.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Amazing, and I love that you guys already gave us
the breakdown of like what are the important nutrients you
need to look at, what are the important things that
actually need to go on your scalp. And I know
you also have done a lot of work to create
the products that simplify that for everybody, So can you
tell us about what those products are? And I know
there's a special discount as well, so that'll be linked
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(35:58):
the break the rundown of the protocol that you have
and that people can just really like just get access
to and use immediately without having to formulate like you did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, I spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in multiple
years trying to learn the physiology and the details behind
hair loss. So we've compiled after I got my big
AHA moment and I said, I started seeing results with
people that combined so many techniques at the same time,
I said, how could we enable individuals to get their
hair growth results that I had gotten and some of
(36:27):
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customers had gotten, and so we put together a ninety day,
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three serums, a derma ruler, and a hair brush all
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(36:49):
And so the goal behind all of this is to
create something that you can just buy one time and
use it for three months and get results. So, like
I said, or supplements targets six root causes of hair
thinning or serum targets five root causes of hair thinning.
I'm super excited that in our serum we just added exosomes,
which have been so far only technology or or or
(37:12):
I guess growth factors that you could only get at
a dermatologist office and you could only inject them for
five thousand dollars at a time. But we've added the
exosomes plus growth factors into our serum and so we're
incredibly excited about that. We're also going to be probably
the first company that adds synalytics into our serum and analytics.
They're very, very buzzy in the anti aging world because
(37:32):
they help keep your youthful cells youthful and young and
get rid of the older cells. And so we're adding
s analytics into a hair serum very shortly. And so
I want to say that we're cutting edge in terms
of using the best of antiaging, the best of longevity,
the best of hair growth science to create products that
really move the needle. And to add to that, because
I suffered from hair loss for so long, we offer
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So we want to make sure we cover you for
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just email us, call us, text us, and we will
(38:14):
refund your money. There's nothing you have no risk at
all to try this out. And that's primarily because I
suffered with this problem for so long. And then I've
got one other thing that I want to add is
we just launched a collagen that we believe is the
best collagen in the world, and of course I'm biased,
but this contains a hair growth complex that has silica,
that has biotin, that has keratin, that also has anagain
(38:37):
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eight days. We've got that, We've got pre biotics and
post biotics for a better absorption and gut health. And
we've also got four different types of collagen in there
be that a bovine colligen, chicken membrane, actual membrane, as
well as marine colligen. So we've got everything in there
in the supplement. Super proud of it. And what I'm
(38:58):
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day bundle, We'll offer you the collagen absolutely for free,
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Speaker 1 (39:19):
Amazing, Well, I said, I'll make sure that's easy to
find in this show. Notes and last question for this
episode is are there any specific cautions or times when
women need to modify or you not use certain products,
Like I have a lot of moms listening, so potentially
things like pregnancy, postpartum, are there times when they need
to modify.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, absolutely, that's a great question as well. So what
I would recommend is that if you are pregnant and
right after as you're feeding your baby breastfeeding, we typically
recommend not using the supplement as much. We recommend, you know,
using the preatal supplements or the post natal supplements that
you have from your doctor working close to you, with
your physician or naturopathic doctor you might be working with,
(39:58):
and just get out of that phase first before you
take any supplement, and especially even our supplement. And so
that's just an overabundance of caution because we want to
make sure that you're super healthy and before and after pregnancy. Also,
during pregnancy is skating noted. You're going to have gorgeous
hair because of the estrogen that's going to kick in
in the progesterone that's also present at that time, So
(40:20):
you love your hair during pregnancy, there's no worry there.
But post pregnancy, you will start to lose Most women
will start to lose hair about two and a half
months after pregnancy, and so what you can do before
then or doing then. You can use your serums for sure,
you can use derm roll, or you can use the
hair brush obviously, but I would just caution and wait
(40:40):
until you're done breastfeeding before starting the supplement.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Amazing. Well, this has been very enlightening. I definitely learned
a lot and feel like I have some fun things
that I'm going to get to try as well and
report back. It's always a joy to get to chat
with you, and I know we're going to get to
record another episode, so you guys stay tuned if gray
hair is something you also wonder about and want to
address as well. But for this interview, thank you so
much for your time. This was so fun.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Thank you so much for having me on. Katie appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
And thank you for listening. And I hope you will
join me again on the next episode of the Wellness
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A t I n E. Hello and welcome to the
Waleslama podcast. I'm Katie from Walessama dot com and this
episode tackles the topic of how to naturally combat hair
thinning and to get longer, thicker hair naturally. And today's guest,
(03:00):
roz Con, has a fascinating story with this with very
early hair loss and his incredible journey to reverse that.
He has amazing hair now and what do you learned
in the process of including how this is a very
multi factorial approach, how a lot of the common advice
is not necessarily helpful, and the things that actually seem
to work and move the needle. I learned a lot
(03:21):
in this episode. It's something I'm trying now currently, not
because I'm necessarily losing my hair, but because after six pregnancies,
I would like it to be a little less dry
and a little thicker, and so I'm trying his products
now as well. I think you'll learn a lot in
this episode, and he really tackles some of the root causes,
including a lot of things that are within your own
power to shift within your lifestyle at no cost that
(03:43):
can really benefit your hair. So let's jump in and
join him now for Oz. Welcome. Thank you so much
for being here.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Headie, thank you for having me. I'm really excited to
be on your show.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm excited to chat with you, not only because you
are an in real life friend, but because the topics
we are going to get to dive into today, I
feel are very relevant for women at various phases of
life in general, and for a lot of people actually
post COVID. This is a pain point that seemingly isn'tsolved
for a lot of people, and that is the topic
of thinning hair and how to grow thicker and longer
(04:14):
hair naturally. And I feel like even for people who
maybe don't have alopecia or an acute issue, we still
all want to have healthy, beautiful hair. I know this
is something for me with like postpartum, I have had
ups and downs with over the years and a lot
that goes into it. So as a little bit of background,
maybe give us some of how you got into your
research around this particular area, and then kind of some
(04:35):
of the background things that are going on in the
body when there's hair loss.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, totally. This has been a very, very long period
of suffering for me as one of the biggest insecurities
I've had in my life. I was twenty one in college, confident,
college athlete, soccer athlete, and my goal of that is
to be confident and get a girlfriend. But the universe
had other plants, and which was I was shampooing my
hair one time, look down on my hands and it's
(05:01):
full of my beautiful dark hair, and I was just
so shocked at that moment. My stress levels went from
four to and eleven, and I started thinking about, well,
why is this happening? You know, this is not fair?
Why is God doing this to me? Like where did
I do? I'm a good kid, you know, And the
thought of having a girlfriend was now further and further
away because you're losing your confidence. So I was blaming myself.
(05:22):
And I didn't know where this was happening, and so
I started looking at I started thinking of where this
comment from Braddler had so much hair. I couldn't believe
even more than me at twenty one, but my mom's
out of the family. There was thinning going on for
two brevocals, one with the other one was rapidly losing
his hair. Okay, the nettik it came side. I am
(05:45):
cursed trying to do all the things. I tried the
biotine supplements. I tried other supplements. I tried hair oiled,
rosemary oil, other other oils that made my hair snow
a lot. I tried yogurt in my scalp, egg yolks,
like shampoos, everything that I could, A lot of things,
and none of them stopped my hair loss, but they
slowed it down a bunch. And I remember my grandmother
(06:06):
telling me that, you know, if you shave your hair,
then it comes back thicker and coarser. And so I
was so desperate that I shaved my head three times
to try to save my hair. But that doesn't do anything.
It is flash it doesn't help, and so don't try
shaving your head. I don't even look good with a
shaved head, and so that just kept going. At the
age of twenty five, after grad school, I was so
(06:27):
frustrated with my hair loss that I went to a
hair transplant surgeon in Denver, Colorado, and I said, please Doc.
This was in two thousand and five. I said, please, Doc,
put me out of my misery. I can't do this anymore.
I'm tired of waking up with so many hairs on
my pillow. And so really nice lady doctor, she said,
you know, you happen to have female pattern hair loss,
not male which some men can have. And this is
(06:50):
because I got it from my mom, presumably, and so
she said I can't there's no area where you have
lost all of your hair, so I can just transplant
them in. Otherwise, this is why women have challenges hair transplants,
because when you try to transplant hairs into areas where
there's other hairs. Those other hairs can fall off because
of shock loss. And so she said, you can't, you're
not a good candidate. But I've got a pill for you.
(07:11):
And I said, okay, what's the bill do She says, well,
it's called Finasteride, which I'm sure anybody, even women with
hair loss, would have heard about, but it has a
whole list of sexual side effects for men. And I said, no,
I'm I'm in the prime of my life sexually. I'm
not going to take this pill. And so I go
home and seven days of more waking up and bunch
(07:32):
of hairs on the pillow, I called her and I said,
give me a fail I'll take it. And so I
did that for twelve years and then after that, and
still my hair kept falling out over time, and it
got to the point we're in Los Angeles, that's wherever
at the time, I was using hair fibers in my scalp.
(07:56):
She kind of cut over stuntboard in areas so people
couldn't skimp my scout and at least town where you
get judged very quickly in appearance, and so I was
doing that, but then changed my cut into podcasting and
in particular there's got to be in there, and so
I world two lost conferences mirror doctors, and then I traveled.
(08:18):
I traveled to Bangkok for six different cities and then
really learned from them either also on in front of
the camera and also behind the camera, because they took
me back into their practice and they showed me they
were doing BRP, they were doing hair transplants, and so
I really got to see both sides of it. And
then I came back and consulted with chemists. I read
hundreds of scientific papers and then I said, Okay, I've
(08:40):
been unsuccessful this whole time, but is there a way
to get my hair back without using pharmaceuticals? That was
the big question as trying to solve. And the answer
I came to after about a year and a half
of research into the space is that yes there's a way.
But the big aha for me it is that you
(09:00):
cannot do warm things at that time, because all of
us have probably tried to shampoo or a supper mite
or a stare arm and it may have worked, but
more likely than not it did not. And so the
big aha I had is that you have to do
four or five things at once for hair loss, in
particular for it to actually have a measure backed on you.
(09:22):
And so immediately I have what was applying caffeine to
my scalp, and I didn't have any caffeine at the time,
so I'd just make coffee and then use a cotton
to like put that into my scalp, which messed up
my catratops. But I was spending maybe two hours a
day and five hundred bucks a month on this new
technique that i'd found, and lo and behold, three months later,
I had a lot of hair going back, and I
(09:42):
was looking at the mirror and just smiling. So the
first time in my life, I was smiling about my
hair because I had all these hairs going back, and
so that gave me a lot of confidence, and I
realized that it doesn't have to be permanent. You don't
have to lose your hair if you can address it
the right way. I'm not saying that everybody is going
to get rest, but most people can, and especially for women,
(10:02):
because hair loss is multi factorial for women and really
doesn't go all the way like with men. And so
that's when I enrolled three female friends and two male
friends to try to do this as well, just to
make sure it works in others, and the women had
better results than the men, and so for men now
I advise maybe adding a couple extra things, but for women,
they had great results with the protocol, and that's when
(10:24):
I decided to bring these products to market. But the
biggest TAHA for me is after all of those experiments
that we did, is that you want to try you
want to have multiple things at the same time, three
to four to five techniques at the same time to
get really good results with hair growth. So that is
my big AHA that I'd learned from like twenty five
years of struggle with hair growth. And if you want,
(10:44):
we can get into some of the root causes especially.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I would love to go into the root causes,
and then of course hear more detail about the protocol
as well, because I'm sure people have come across things,
especially on Instagram. I see so many ads for them,
for different just shampoos or like the single products you mentioned,
and it makes sense to me that it would be,
like many areas of healthic, a multifactorial thing, and that
for someone who is having that experience, you'd want to
address as many things as possible and get results as
(11:09):
quick as possible. So definitely want to get there too.
But let's start with what are some of the primary
reasons going on. I would guess we've got hormone imbalances
as one potential cause. I know people talk about hair
loss post COVID seemingly there could be a stress factor,
even if it's cellular or mitochondrial stress. But what all
is going on when someone starts losing their hair and
they haven't had that before.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So you're absolutely right, Gattie. The number one reason of
herathining in women and in men is hormonal and women.
I talk to a lot of women all the time
and they suspect it as their hormones, and that's absolutely true.
For women. What happens is that after the age of
thirty five, their estrogen and progesterone levels start to decline,
which leads to a relative imbalance with testosterone. This testosterone
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converts to dihydro testosterone or DHD, and it travels up
to a hair follicles and it starts to shrink them.
This is why you see men that are between ages
eighteen and twenty five have such rapid hair thinning. Hair
loss is because testosterone levels are very high at that time.
But for women, this happens after the age of thirty five,
after the age of forty, as their hormones start changing.
(12:09):
And so that is the number one reason. And so
what we want to do is we want to block
or reduce the amount of testosterone to die hydro testosterone
using there's natural supplements that we can use. But one
question I've gotten on this is how do we know
that it's hormonal hair loss. Well, if you're over the
age of forty, that's almost always at risk for women.
(12:30):
But I have a friend Lisa, she lives in Chicago.
She asked me this very question, and I said, Lisa,
next time you're washing your hair in the shower, just
take all the hair strands in your hands and then
stick them in the tiles in the shower, and then
just look at them. Look at them right then, and
then come back and look at them later. If you
notice that some hairstrands are thinner and some are thicker,
then that is a telltale sign that you have hormonal
(12:53):
hair thinning going on. The Other one is that you
have when you have hair loss on the top the
crown or all the way to the front and the temples.
That is the danger zone for hormonal hair thinning. And
so if that's where you're losing your hair, then it's
more than likely it's hormonal. And so then at that
point we have different strategies to kind of combat the hormones.
(13:14):
The other thing that you brought up, Katie, was COVID
hair loss, and we also see a zempic hair loss
kind of lumped into this, but there's this high levels
of stress that can happen for short periods of time,
like childbirth also falls in this category. Childbirth, COVID, we've
got a zen pic hair loss. So some of these
things are surgery. You could have a breakup, you could
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be moving to a different home, to a different city
where there's a lot of uncertainty, or something in the
body that changes. This can cause an acute hair loss,
a acute stress, and your body thinks that it's in trouble,
that your survival is at stake, and so what the
body does is it pulls all the critical resources minerals,
vitamins away from the hair follicles, which are ultimately expendable,
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they're not important for you to survive. It pulls all
the critical resources a way towards the core organs, and
so what happens as a result is that your hair
follicles shift from the growth phase into the resting phase.
A lot of them will shift, and then they have
to fall out before they grow back again. So women
might lose forty fifty, sixty, seventy percent of their hair
(14:18):
it two or three months after COVID, two or three
months after childbirth, and so it's a very scary time
and it's a very delicate time because your hair is
going through this renewal process, and what we want to
make sure is that every single hair grows back. But
for women especially, what happens that there's multiple root causes
of hairtening going on at the same time. And so
(14:38):
even though your hair is supposed to all come back,
there's something else that might be preventing a bunch of
your hairs from growing black. And so we want to
address all of those root causes so that you have
the best chance of getting the thick hair that you had.
So that's COVID and that's short term stress.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Which and it makes sense to me that there would
be a big hormonal component. And like I said, I've
experienced the postpartum hair loss and the hormone side of that.
Any women talk about it, and it was my experience
of having like amazing hair during pregnancy and then the
hair loss after and then it all comes back. So
I've seen the ups and downs with hormones. What are
things we can do, especially at home, where like, are
there things we can do that are in our owner
(15:13):
ability to do without having to go through like hormone
replacement or talk to a doctor? Like, how do you
encourage women to navigate that?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, So a couple of other things that are that
happen quite quite frequently with female hair loss in particular,
is this ongoing stress because women are doing so much.
You're taking care of the kids. You probably have parents
that are aging and so you're taking care of them.
You're probably taking care of the house, You're buying everything
to the family. It's a woman does two or three
jobs full time and it doesn't get enough thanks for it.
(15:43):
So I really want to acknowledge all the moms in
the audience. You guys are carrying the weight of the
world in your shoulders, So kudos. But that said, this
comes with the higher amounts of stress and so and
this is ongoing stress, different from acute stress that we
talked about with covid et cetera. And so this ongoing
stress also has been linked to ongoing shedding. So you
will just lose, you know, fifty sixty one hundred, two
(16:05):
hundred hairs every single day and you're not quite sure
why this is happening. So this is this is ongoing
shedding that's happening. And what you can do at home
is to get more more grounded, get more balanced, maybe
take walks, maybe do a start a meditation practice, but
anything you can do to lower your stress will go
a long way towards stopping this particular top of hair loss,
(16:25):
the other aspect is we get with a nutritional hair loss.
There's there's five ingredients that are very very critical for
hair growth and healthy hair and these are vitamin D three,
fol eight B twelve, zinc, and iron. And so you
want to make sure you get all five of these
in the middle of the range, not on the low end.
A lot of us are on the low end with
(16:46):
vitamin D three, you want to be in the middle
of the range for all five of these, if not
a little bit higher than the middle. But the middle
is fine. And so I had a friend in la Ashley.
She called me and she said, hey, I'm losing my hair.
I don't know what's going on. So, you know, she's
only thirty four. I said, hormones should not be an
issue at the moment. So I asked her what's changed,
and she goes, well, my coworker left and now I'm
(17:07):
having to do her job and so I'm doing more.
You know, I'm staying late, I'm stressed. So obviously, okay,
stress is one factor. And I said, has anything else
changed actually, and she goes, no, nothing's changed. Oh, actually
I've gone vegan over the last four months. I'm like, okay, cool,
no problem. But if you are going to go vegan,
then that pursue at risk for being low and iron
(17:28):
be twelve foll eight and also zinc and so those
are all critical nutrients for the hair. So at home
you can do this. You want to make sure that
you are you're getting enough of those big five and
you know, next time you go to your doctor, you
can even do a test, but you could do this
at home even out of tests. Make sure you're getting
enough of those five nutrients and you're supplementing. If you're
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not getting enough of those right so you can you
can do that at home. In addition, people talk about
hair lost shampoos all the time, and this is probably
the least thing I would try because they're not that effective.
The reason why is because most women wash their hair
one to two times a week. It is just what
it is. Because I talk to women a lot, and
(18:09):
if you're washing your hair so little and you're applying
shampoo for five minutes a week, is just not that effective.
I would much rather use a hair serum that stayed
on your scalp for eight to ten hours, or something
that's more effective for longer, or a supplement for example,
instead of trying to rely on a shampoo. And a
lot of mark companies will market their shampoos it's hair
(18:29):
growth shampoo, and it's going to do this and it's
going to do that. Unfortunately, that is just marketing speak
that is not true. So I would caution women from
relying too much on shampoos as your go to strategy
for hair growth.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That makes sense because it's just not on the scalp
that much. And I know there's like seemingly I've seen
so many protocols with hair oiling, which you mentioned you
tried with hair serums, like what are the things that
actually move the needle? And also is there an order
in a protocol to this, because I've seen so many
conflicting things of like never do it on dirty hair
only you do it right after washing your hair, but
then you have to wash your hair again, Like what
(19:03):
is the rhythm for all that?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, I love that question, So the order would be.
I'm a big proponent of whatever you can use consistently
is very very important. And so if you're going to
use a serum a lot of at least on TikTok,
you'll say, oh, rosemary oil, did this or that? Have
you tried using rosemary oil every day? It's impossible, right,
you cannot. Women will not wash their hair every day,
(19:28):
so you're not going to be consistent. And so what
I highly recommend is to use a water based serum
that you can use every single day. So it's not oily,
it's not mokey, it's not dirty, it's not going to
attract more dust and dirt into your hair follicles. It's
going to allow your scalp to breathe. It's going to
allow your sea bump to be redistributed, and you'll actually
use it every single day. So for hair serum that
(19:49):
you can apply in the evening that kind of dries
off by the time you wake up in the morning
and you can style your hair normally. That doesn't cause
you to wash your hair every second or third day.
That allows you to keep your hair w schedule as
long as it's a couple of times a week. I
do recommend if you're experiencing hair tenning, then washing your
hair a little bit more, at least two times a week,
if not more, can help keep the scalp very very clean.
(20:12):
The other thing that you could do is I love brushing.
I absolutely love brushing the scalp or massaging the scalp.
When I was losing my hair for twenty years, I
absolutely did not want to touch my hair at all
because every time I touched it more hair would fall out.
But I was thinking about it the wrong way because
the more you massage your scalp, the more you brush
your scalp, the more there is circulation coming in. That
(20:34):
circulation brings nutrients, That circulation brings vitamins, which are very
very critical to your hair. So I've turned around on
this and I'm a big proponent of massaging and brushing
your hair or your scalp. You want to be very
gentle with your hair, but firm on your scalp. And
then you want to use a water based serum that
is effective and what is effective really, so I can
(20:55):
touch on this and in both when it comes to
supplements and when it comes to serums for hair growth
or stopping hairtening. You want to target the root causes,
which is how we think about it, is to target
all the root causes that are implicated with hair loss.
So what are the root causes. We've got hormonal impact,
which we want to balance with DHD. We've got inflammation
that has been linked to hair loss, so we want
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to make sure the inflammation levels are balanced. There is
oxidative stress that can cause harotining and hair loss, so
we want to make sure we address that. There is
low circulation. This is a big one. We strongly believe
in this low circulation which you're not getting enough blood
flow and nutrients, So that's a big one as well.
So what you want and then stress, of course, as
we talked about, that's a big one. So what we
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want to do is to create a protocol that addresses
all of these root causes at once without you having
to buy fifteen different products, which is what I had
to do when I was going to this journey. So
if you're using a supplement, then I encourage using a
supplement that's well balanced, that covers everything. It gives you
the nutrition, but it also balance all the root causes
of hair growth as many as possible at the same time.
(22:00):
Same thing for the serum, I wanted to be water based.
I wanted to address inflammation, circulation, hormones, oxidative stress, scalp
paging all of those at the same time without you
having to go by other things. The third the other
item that I really love is a derm roller, And
by itself, a Dermo roller has shown about fifteen percent
(22:21):
net new growth without any other ingredients, without any other
protocol mixed in. And so if you can add a
derm roller and use it one to two times a week,
that's highly effective. When I work with women, I typically
recommend that and they use the Derma roller as well,
and so that is something. So if you were to
do a protocol, Katie, as you asked me, I would
do a supplement the targets as many root causes as possible.
(22:42):
I would do a serum that targets as many root
causes as possible and as water based and clean. I
would do a Dermo roller, and I would do a
hair rush. This is the minimum I would do, and
then we could talk about a shampoo. But that's way
lower on the scale for me than these big four.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm taking so many notes. I would love to go
through a few rapid fire clarifying questions. The first being
with a Derma roller, any specifics around that? Is that
on clean hair only? Is that at a certain time
of day, and or like, how do you make sure
you do it in a way that doesn't like damage
the hair themselves?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah? Yeah, So you can use a Derma stamp, which
goes directly into the follicle. But I've found in working
with women is that it just takes too long, and
so it has to be quick. It has to be
in and out fifteen minutes. Because you want to derm
roll the areas of your scalp, you want to buy
a standless steel roller. The maximum length you want to
go is one millimeter an Any more than that you
(23:37):
can go too deep and you have there's a risk
you might damage the scalp more than you're helping. And
so what this does is also you want to use it.
I typically use it in the evening. I use it
a couple of times a week. There's millions of people
using dirm rollers, by the way, you can google, you
can YouTube them and see their protocols. But I use
this in the evening, So I'll wash my hair in
(23:57):
the morning, I'll use the dirm roller in the evening,
and then I'll apply a scalp serum. So I apply
a serum water based serum, because when you use the
drum roller, your channels are open, so it leads to
better penetration of the scalp serum. And so that's why
it even improves the efficacy of the scalp serum during
that time. So if you're doing it a couple of
times a week or even once a week, then use
(24:18):
the serum right after and then you just go to bed,
wake up the next day. You can wash your hair,
or you can just style. It's if it's possible for
you to style. I typically just style my hair normally
the next day and I go about my day, so
I don't wash it every day, but it is it
is important for you to have clean head hair before
you use the drum roller because otherwise germs can get in. Also,
(24:40):
the other thing I do with the drum roller is
I dip it in Sorry I'm going over on this question,
but I dip it in alcohol for a few for
five minutes to kill all the germs before I apply
it on my scalp.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh that's a great tip as well. And I realized
not everyone might be watching on video. I'm seeing you
on video while we record, but some people might just
be listening. So I felt it important to point out
that you have really amazing hair now, So for anyone
doubting like this definitely does seem to work, and it
brings up some other rapid fire questions. I know, I
see a lot of things floating around about red light
for hair. I'm a big fan of red light in general,
(25:11):
and actually tell people like you don't even have to
spend thousands of dollars for like whole body red light
go in the sunrise in the sunset. Nature provides it
in abundance. But for hair specific, is there anything to
these red light helmets or more specific red light devices.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, great question. Again, this all the time, and
yes there is. I categorize all of these treatments and
techniques into two different buckets. When is a hair growth
promoter versus one that addresses root causes of hair thinning?
And so what I categorize the red light therapy is
in terms of hair growth promoter because it increases your
mitochondrial function and energy in your cells, which can allow
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the cells to do their job. Now what I don't love,
as you also don't love, Katie, is the five thousand
dollars hair helmet. Like that's insane to me. Most people
I talk to will use it for three to four weeks,
maybe eight weeks, and then it's going to sit in
a closet somewhere, never to be used again. So if
you can add on, so do the basics to the
(26:06):
basics right, addrest the root causes, and then you can
add on the red light therapy. In addition, I prefer
a cap because it's more cost effective and again long term,
nobody uses it, but don't waste a lot of money.
It can it can help, So I'm a proponent of it,
but don't waste too much money. On it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Okay, So what about some of the more controversial things
I hear people talking about being especially damaging for hair,
specifically dry shampoo and hair extensions. What's your take on those?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, yes, I'm not a fan of hair extensions. I
am also broke control comes into this controversial aspect and
dry shampoo as well, because dry shampoo is typically just
hiding or masking the dirt that's in your hair, but
it's not going away. It's still sitting on your scalp,
and it's blocking your scalp from being squeaky clean, which
(26:53):
is what we want. It's getting the sea bumb kind
of stuck in there. And so what I recommend, especially
if you're losing your hair as a woman, you want
to wash your hair two to three times a week
to keep it relatively clean. And like we said, we
want to apply a water based serum so it doesn't
make your hair oily. That's how I would go about this.
And yeah, for shampoo, you can use any caffeine based
(27:16):
shampoo that caffeine seems to be an activator of hair
growth or prevents some of the hair loss, So you
can use a shampoo that includes some caffeine one percent
caffeine is what's recommended, and so that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Okay, and you mentioned pers control, I'd love to go
a little deeper on that as well as talk about
what about things like testosterone supplementation or other hormone replacement
or supplementation. How does that impact hair?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, totally so with hormone supplementation. So we see hormones
changing in a woman's body in a few different areas.
One is when they have pcos and it's early, they're
younger in life maybe or even mid age. That's fine,
but there's higher amounts of androgens or male hormones in
a woman's body at that time. And so translate again,
(28:01):
like we said, a higher testosterone converts to DHD, which
causes hair thining. Same thing happens with when you are
supplementing or using exogenous testosterone therapy. Then you're adding testrostone
into your body, which is really good and healthy in
most ways. But if you're experiencing hair thinning, and I
talk to women about this, I recommend pausing the testosterone
(28:21):
therapy while we get your hair in a really good place.
So three to five to six months, let's grow a
lot of your hairs back that's been thinning, and then
we can slowly start to add testosterone back at very
low levels and then go higher to see how your
hair responds by testosterone. And what's interesting about testosterone is
that it just might not be the diestosterone. A lot
(28:41):
of things can kick off hair loss, like high blood
pressure and metabolic dysfunction and stress levels. It just kicks
it off and then you get the hormonal hair thinning
going and so it doesn't almost always have to be testosterone.
There can be many triggers for it. But what we
want to do if we notice there's hormonal thinning going on,
we want to lure the risk factors, which is the diestosterone,
(29:03):
for a brief period, and then once we get your
hair back to where it is, then we can start
adding that back on with hormonal hair. Sorry, with the
birth control, Kittie. I've heard many doctors say this and
that when you take that on it changes your hormones,
and you know this quite well, I believe, and so
it changes your hormones in your body and that can
(29:24):
start to kick off something as well. There are so
many triggers to this hair thinning puzzle, and so we
want to make sure we're very, very delicate with hormone
changes or blocking or changing hormones inside our bodies. And
in many ways, birth control has been linked to additional
hair loss as well.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
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very dry.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, great question. So what happens is the curlier your hair,
the dryer is going to be. And the reason is
so African American hair is very very curly and coily
and kinky, and the reason is more dry is because
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(32:57):
hair or even straight Caucasian hair, then it's easier for
the moisture from your scalp to travel down the hair strand.
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(33:18):
don't have if you're not at risk but you have
dryer hair, what happens typically is that you're not getting
enough oils, enough fats in your body. So you want
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good one. You want to get some of the key
nutrients like zinc and vitamin bees that are very very
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keratin that helps with the hair strand itself that can
(33:40):
help improve and reduce your breakage, which a lot of
women go through.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Got it that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I feel like I had very straight hair early in life,
and then over time and six pregnancies, it changed and
got curly, but I was still treating it as straight hair.
So for a while, I'm like, why is my hair
so frizzy? And a friend finally told me, I think
you have wavy hair and you're just not taking care
of it correctly, and she showed me how to like
wash it a little differently, And it turns out I
do have wavy hair, so I'm still learning about and
my hair's more dry since having so many kids also,
(34:09):
And I feel like you could give it us such
a great comprehensive look at all the important like really
the levers that make the big difference and the things
to actually address that are going to work, versus just
like dumping money on things you see on Instagram. How
quickly do people typically start to see this turnaround? Like
it seems like you maybe saw results pretty quickly once
you actually figured out all these things to address. And
I know this is a really stressful thing like it
(34:31):
was for you, for anyone who's in that experience. So
if someone is willing to address the things you've talked about,
how quickly might they see a difference?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, that's a great question. Typically, because of the hair
growth cycle, it takes about ninety days three months to
see results. Anybody that promises you hair results in ten
twenty thirty days, six weeks or six weeks, you could
maybe start to see some early results, but you will
see real hair growth in about two to three months timeframe,
(35:00):
more higher than to usually and so that is why
I highly recommend going with the company also that can
guarantee your products for that amount of time. For a
lot of these companies that sell you hair bills or seerums,
for example, they have a thirty day money bag guarantee,
which I'm like, what's the point You're not going to
see results, especially with hair, and so why are you
offering such short guarantees. And that is one of my
(35:22):
frustrations with the industry when we were working on our products,
is that is just it doesn't set you up to
succeed in the right way, and so just just be patient,
please be consistent, to give it sixty to ninety days
and you will see results if you're used in the
right products.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Amazing, and I love that you guys already gave us
the breakdown of like what are the important nutrients you
need to look at, what are the important things that
actually need to go on your scalp. And I know
you also have done a lot of work to create
the products that simplify that for everybody, So can you
tell us about what those products are? And I know
there's a special discount as well, so that'll be linked
to the show notes for anybody listening. There's a special
code for you at walnasvama dot com. But give us
(35:58):
the break the rundown of the protocol that you have
and that people can just really like just get access
to and use immediately without having to formulate like you did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, I spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in multiple
years trying to learn the physiology and the details behind
hair loss. So we've compiled after I got my big
AHA moment and I said, I started seeing results with
people that combined so many techniques at the same time,
I said, how could we enable individuals to get their
hair growth results that I had gotten and some of
(36:27):
my other friends had gotten, and some of our early
customers had gotten, and so we put together a ninety day,
a three month bundle that includes the supplements, three supplements,
three serums, a derma ruler, and a hair brush all
together in one bundle that you can buy from our
website fullyvital dot com and you will get fifteen percent
off your purchase if you use the code wellness Mama.
(36:49):
And so the goal behind all of this is to
create something that you can just buy one time and
use it for three months and get results. So, like
I said, or supplements targets six root causes of hair
thinning or serum targets five root causes of hair thinning.
I'm super excited that in our serum we just added exosomes,
which have been so far only technology or or or
(37:12):
I guess growth factors that you could only get at
a dermatologist office and you could only inject them for
five thousand dollars at a time. But we've added the
exosomes plus growth factors into our serum and so we're
incredibly excited about that. We're also going to be probably
the first company that adds synalytics into our serum and analytics.
They're very, very buzzy in the anti aging world because
(37:32):
they help keep your youthful cells youthful and young and
get rid of the older cells. And so we're adding
s analytics into a hair serum very shortly. And so
I want to say that we're cutting edge in terms
of using the best of antiaging, the best of longevity,
the best of hair growth science to create products that
really move the needle. And to add to that, because
I suffered from hair loss for so long, we offer
(37:54):
you a four month money back guarantee, a one twenty
day money bag guarantee because like we said, it takes
about ninety days to get to see real hair growth results.
So we want to make sure we cover you for
ninety days plus shipping time, plus if you miss a
couple of days to make sure you get results. And
if you don't for any reason, if you don't get results,
just email us, call us, text us, and we will
(38:14):
refund your money. There's nothing you have no risk at
all to try this out. And that's primarily because I
suffered with this problem for so long. And then I've
got one other thing that I want to add is
we just launched a collagen that we believe is the
best collagen in the world, and of course I'm biased,
but this contains a hair growth complex that has silica,
that has biotin, that has keratin, that also has anagain
(38:37):
new which has been proven to stop ten in twenty
eight days. We've got that, We've got pre biotics and
post biotics for a better absorption and gut health. And
we've also got four different types of collagen in there
be that a bovine colligen, chicken membrane, actual membrane, as
well as marine colligen. So we've got everything in there
in the supplement. Super proud of it. And what I'm
(38:58):
going to do is for anybody that buys then any
day bundle, We'll offer you the collagen absolutely for free,
full of full size collagen for free. Just you know,
we had to have to keep this within three to
four days of this podcast coming out, so just if
you're hearing this right after it comes out, you'll get
a free collagen as well if you get the ninety
day bundle.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Amazing, Well, I said, I'll make sure that's easy to
find in this show. Notes and last question for this
episode is are there any specific cautions or times when
women need to modify or you not use certain products,
Like I have a lot of moms listening, so potentially
things like pregnancy, postpartum, are there times when they need
to modify.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, absolutely, that's a great question as well. So what
I would recommend is that if you are pregnant and
right after as you're feeding your baby breastfeeding, we typically
recommend not using the supplement as much. We recommend, you know,
using the preatal supplements or the post natal supplements that
you have from your doctor working close to you, with
your physician or naturopathic doctor you might be working with,
(39:58):
and just get out of that phase first before you
take any supplement, and especially even our supplement. And so
that's just an overabundance of caution because we want to
make sure that you're super healthy and before and after pregnancy. Also,
during pregnancy is skating noted. You're going to have gorgeous
hair because of the estrogen that's going to kick in
in the progesterone that's also present at that time, So
(40:20):
you love your hair during pregnancy, there's no worry there.
But post pregnancy, you will start to lose Most women
will start to lose hair about two and a half
months after pregnancy, and so what you can do before
then or doing then. You can use your serums for sure,
you can use derm roll, or you can use the
hair brush obviously, but I would just caution and wait
(40:40):
until you're done breastfeeding before starting the supplement.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Amazing. Well, this has been very enlightening. I definitely learned
a lot and feel like I have some fun things
that I'm going to get to try as well and
report back. It's always a joy to get to chat
with you, and I know we're going to get to
record another episode, so you guys stay tuned if gray
hair is something you also wonder about and want to
address as well. But for this interview, thank you so
much for your time. This was so fun.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Thank you so much for having me on. Katie appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
And thank you for listening. And I hope you will
join me again on the next episode of the Wellness
MoMA podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews, would you please
take two minutes to leave a rating or review on
iTunes for me. Doing this helps more people to find
the podcast, which means even more moms and families can
benefit from the information. I really appreciate your time and
(41:26):
thanks as always for listening.
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