October 15, 2025 • 53 mins
Episode Highlights With Katie
- How she got into meditation with a baby and a toddler
- Her entrepreneurial story and how it eventually led into meditation work
- What she would say to the mom who feels like she doesn’t have the time, space and patience to meditate
- We all know the benefits of meditation… how to actually make it a habit
- The health benefits of meditation and why these are just the side benefit to her
- Meditation is one of the most powerful tools to get to know ourselves
- The simple meditation tools she recommends for moms especially
- Mini meditations for moms and a couple quick actionable tools
- Aligning meditation with habits you already have like brushing teeth to help it stick
- Separating the voice of ego from the voice of intuition
- How these practices can help us shift mindset
- The amazing story of how she reversed her lifelong asthma naturally
- What she hopes her daughters will take away from seeing her as a working mom
- Women's Meditation Network on Instagram and Facebook
- Katie's website
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I'm Katie from Wellnessmama dot com and this episode is
close to home because today I talk to another mom
also named Katie, all about meditation, motherhood, money, mindset mantras,
and how to work this in even as if you're
a busy mom, so relevant to a lot of us.
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Katie is fascinating. She is the creator of the Women's
Meditation Network, which is a family of over twenty podcasts
that provide meditations to women and to kids. She first
launched her first podcast in twenty eighteen and has grown
massively since then to be in the top point zero
one percent of all podcasts with a one hundred and
sixty four billion downloads, and as a podcaster myself, I
(02:14):
know that is no small feat. She is a mom
up to, a meditation expert, and a women's empowerment entrepreneur,
and we get to go in so many directions about meditation,
about how she reversed her lifelong asthma naturally, about how
she balances things as a busy working mom and doesn't
feel like that those two things have to compete with
each other, what to do about stress, overwhelm and burnout,
(02:34):
and so much more. Very fun conversation, So let's join
her now. Eadie, welcome. It's such a pleasure to finally
meet you. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Katie's so honored. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm really excited for this conversation. I think it's going
to be really relevant to everybody listening, especially the moms,
as we get to delve into things of motherhood, meditations, mantras, money, mindset,
how those things are all related, and your incredible story
and work around it. Before we jump into that, though,
I have a note from researching your bio that you
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had ten varsity athletic letters when you graduated from high school,
and that you hiped up and down the Grand Canyon
in one day. So you are obviously quite an incredible athlete.
But I would love to hear a little detail on
those two stories.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, So I grew up in a
tiny little town like on the border of Arizona. I'm Mexico,
and like I'm forty six now. So I graduated high
school in ninety seven, if that gives you know, kind
of timelines there, And I clearly remember really only kind
of getting into like formal sports and like competitive sports
(03:37):
in junior high. So by the time I got to
freshman year of high school, I made the varsity softball team.
And I need to kind of like have a little
bit of humility in that fact because it was the
first year we had a girls' softball team at all,
because it wasn't just small school. But so I basically,
(03:58):
you know, like every year I had varsity continued in
versity softball, basketball, oh my gosh, volleyball I was in.
I did swimming during the summers. I did, you know,
softball stuff during the summer. Basically, if I could be
busy with sports. That's what I did. And then years
ago in my twenties, I got really involved in like
triathlons and road races and all sorts of stuff and
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kind of had a group of you know, my athlete girlfriends,
and we kind of took a trip to Arizona and
did our kind of like one day hike down and
up Green Canyon and it was really cool. It was
a lot more challenging than I thought it would be.
I was like, Oh, we're hiking, you know, we're walking
up and down, not a big deal. But it was actually, like,
you know, pretty rigorous. But I really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That is incredible, and I'm most excited today to learn
from you. I feel like you were perhaps the most
inspiring example in this realm that I've seen of all
things meditation, because from my understanding, you did not get
to develop this on a mountain in a monastery in
a completely zen environment. You actually started this with a
baby and a top and a real life as a mom,
(05:01):
which I think makes it so relatable. That can you
share some of your origin story and how you got
into this to begin with and what those early days
were like?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, thank you Oh, my goodness. So I have been
an entrepreneur for about sixteen years now, which means sixteen
years ago I sort of consciously opted out of, you know,
the corporate life and had a lot of iterations of
trying to figure things out and where I was supposed
to be and how I would make money in a
meaningful way and all that stuff. And somewhere in there,
(05:32):
in twenty fourteen, I became a podcaster because I had
I loved entrepreneurship and I loved women, and I figured
I could, you know, sort of marry the two passions
and just have these great conversations with women about their
entrepreneurial journeys. And so that became a really beautiful business
that I loved called BIS Women Rock, and I, you know,
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basically cultivated this incredible group of women entrepreneurs who I
would provide coaching for masterminds, for retreats, you know, memberships, education,
all the things. And that was the business I had.
It was thriving, it was really great. I loved it.
And fast forward. I had my first daughter within that
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time and sort of figured out that whole morepreneur constantly
figuring out, like constant evolving, you know equation for me,
and then in twenty eighteen, at the beginning of twenty eighteen,
sort of had all these big grand ideas to triple
the reach, triple the business. Yes, we can do it,
and it was a real solid plan. Q one passed.
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I'm hitting those marks. And then in April of twenty eighteen,
we found out we were pregnant with my second daughter.
And for all of you mamas, you just know like
something if it's not more than one thing, but something
seems to automatically change the moment you realize you're pregnant.
And for me that was like I heard this incredibly distinct,
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loud whisper that said, you're done with this business, which
was very terrifying to me because I it was a
lifestyle business by that point. It really took care of
me and my family at that point, and so it
was very scary and I loved it. I was like,
what do you mean, Like, I really love this, but
now I'm questioning and what am I supposed to do?
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So pretty wisely on my part, I just decided, like,
you know what, I'm not going to make any big
decisions in this space of me feeling really uncertain I'm
just going to kind of like let myself live in
this unknowing and I'm going to just be here with
the question of what does this mean and what does
this mean for me and my family? And if not this,
what am I supposed to do? And you know, I
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basically held back on all the things I was going
to launch and all the things I was about to do.
I remember losing a deposit on a retreat, a live
retreat that I had planned for because now I was like, well,
I'm not going to do that yet, because I don't
really know. In this time, I was going on walks
with my husband every single day, you know, kind of
like processing everything. So one day I'd be like, Okay,
(08:01):
I can make it happen. I'm superwoman, you know. Having
a baby's going to like really focus me and align
me and I can like really you know, grow into
this business that I'm doing. And then the next day'd
be like, I'm going to be a stay at home mom.
I can't do this stuff. I'm done. And that's what
I thought, being a stay at home mom would actually
be easier than running your company, which is completely bonkers.
So during this time, it was a couple of weeks
(08:24):
into these walks, and you know, I'm telling my husband
again sort of like the ins and outs, and he's
just beautifully listening, and he kind of lets me finish,
and he looks at me and he says, well, what
about that meditation idea? And what he was referring to was,
you know, a few months ago, when I was doing
the beginning of the year planning, I had an idea
for a meditation podcast for women and I didn't do
(08:44):
anything with it because it did really fit in line
with the business at the time. And so now here
he was putting it back in front of me, saying, well,
what about it? And I was like, well what about it?
He's like, what about it? And that was the seed
that was planted for the Women's Meditation Network, because all
of a sudden, within like an hour, we brainstormed and
I was like, oh my god, this this is what
(09:06):
it could be. This is what it might provide for
me and my family and the women out there. And
I just saw really clearly, even though from the outside
perspective it seemed like a complete non sequitor to go
from like business and entrepreneurship, and that's Katie's no One
knew I meditated. No one knew that I did that
at all. I never talked about it. It was not
part of like you know, I just it was something
(09:29):
private to me, and so it was very weird from
the outside perspective, but internally I really got I understood
of like, yes, this is my next evolution of my
work in the world and how I feel like I'm
supposed to be giving my gift. And I saw very
clearly it was a whole network, it wasn't just one podcast.
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And to kind of validate that vision, I remember going
on Apple Podcasts at the time and just typing in
meditation and women, and one podcast showed up and I
was like, there's no way, there's no way that this
doesn't exist here. So I just knew. I was like, Okay,
the market's right for it. This is me. I am
(10:10):
a woman searching for meditation and if I saw myself
in what I found that, I'm going to click play, right,
And so that's what I That was enough for me
to start, and so I started with my original podcast
called Meditation for Women back in the summer of twenty eighteen,
seven years ago, and I did it with a baby
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my belly and a toddler at the time, knowing, Okay,
I also want I'm going to deliberately create a business
model that allows for time freedom because I had a
business model that had me meeting with clients, and I
had an incredible community, mostly of moms who would totally
get and give me grace in a changing lifestyle, right,
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but I just knew. I was like, no, no, no, no,
I want to be able to write during nap time
and bedtimes, and I want to be able to record
during those times, and then I want to be able
to be mom. And so I knew it would grant
me sort of that time freedom. So I did, and
three months into launching that first podcast, it was already
surpassing the numbers of my you know, very well established podcasts.
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So I was like, okay, weink from the universe. I
got it. I'll keep going and the endgame really is
now seven years later, we now have twenty podcasts that
are part of the entire network, everything from Sleep Meditation
for Women, Morning Meditation for Women, Daily Affirmations, Meditation for Anxiety,
Meditation for Kids, Sleep Meditation for Kids, and I do
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it deliberately is a it is an operation like we
are at operation, and my mantra is constantly like, how
can we provide high quality and high quantity meditations that
women can pick and choose and grasp during any part
of the day, during any season of their life to
support the goals that they have for their their deep
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need for self awareness.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That is quite the story, and I love that, I
like have some resonance in your story as well. On
the podcasting side, at least in that when I started
in twenty fourteen, there were very few health and wellness
podcasts specifically for women and none for moms, and they
are all these great men podcasts, but I was like,
somebody needs to speak to the women and to the moms,
because I feel and I would guess you agree, moms
are such a force of nature and when we help
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the moms, we create ripples through not just families, but society.
And I think like that's where change begins. And I
also love what you said about when you were going
through that transition, the realization of just sitting there and
being in the unknown. I think that in between space
can be so uncomfortable and so transformative, and so I
love that you talked about that specifically, and I would
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guess a lot of people listening. I know this was
me for a lot of years.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Like knew the.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Benefits of meditation, like every expert talks about meditation being,
you know, so helpful, but it was really hard as
a mom for me, especially in the toddler years, to
actually make that a practice in the busyness of daily life.
So I would love for you to speak to the
woman who maybe like once a min know she should meditate,
but has trouble actually implementing that in her life or
making it a habit, or feels like she doesn't have
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the time or the space or the patience in this
phase of life.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yes, that's such a great practical question. So before I
get to the practical answers to that, I want to
give a little bit of a backdrop as to why
I'm going to say these practical answers. So you're right,
we all know the benefits of meditation. Anyone could come here,
you could do quick google, SICH, ask chat GBT and
they will tell you like here are the ten top
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you know, physical, mental, spiritual benefits of meditation. So we
kind of all intuitively know that stuff. You know, it's
going to lower your heart, your blood pressure, your you know,
standing heart rate, like there's it's going to lower cortisol level,
like all of the things. We know this already, right,
That's not why I do meditation. That is a side
benefit of why I do meditation for myself and why
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I share meditation and share the gift of meditation, because really,
what's underneath there The real core reason that I'm so
passionate about meditation is because I believe that it is
one of the most powerful tools for us to get
to know ourselves. It's an uncomfortable tool, meaning, you know,
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we have to practice almost like you said, it's sort
of like a microcosm of that season I went through,
where like you have to practice being in the stillness
when we're so entrenched in motion all the time. Right.
But I really believe that when we use the tool
of meditation to come into ourselves, to listen, to create
enough space inside of our minds and our souls to
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actually hear our intuition, we have all the answers inside
of us. We remember that we're whole and that we're
perfect just as we are, and all of that ego
stuff starts dissolving pretty quickly. So I believe it's life changing.
It is world changing when you can use this tool
over and over again to be able to know thyself
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and therefore create the life you actually really love. So
with that in mind, the tools I'm going to share
are so simple and yet so profound because they give
us opportunities to do this. They give us opportunities to
come inside and just sort of touch base with ourselves.
So for those of us who are super busy, as
we all are, for those of us who are constantly emotion,
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for those of us who have the toddlers running around,
for those of us hands raised, whose kids are home
on summer break, creating out, and all of a sudden
you're in a new schedule where kids are home with
you all the time. You know, some of the very
very simple things that you could do is what I
like to call many meditations, and many meditations are opportunities
for you to just come into your breath, to just pause.
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So a couple really great examples of these, and kind
of a secondary tip I could give here is to
align these many meditations with habits you already have. Brushing
your teeth, taking a shower, you know, doing your workout,
whatever it is that you do on a regular basis,
like you always do it. You don't have to worry
about it. You know, attach these things to those so
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many meditation might look like you're in the shower and
instead of you sort of trying to hurry up and
hurry up and get to the baby, or you know,
hurry up and get to the next thing that you're
supposed to do, calm down, come inside, and just focus
on your breath for five breaths.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Come in, focus on counting, like breathing in, breathing out,
breathing in, breathing out. Okay, that's it. Pretty soon you'll
be able to sort of like just pay attention to
sort of like you know, all of our senses, meaning
you'll start feeling the warm water on your back, you'll
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start feeling the water sort of dripping down you, and
you just become aware of your sensitive brings you into
the moment. Another many meditation idea could be that you know,
you're brushing your teeth, and instead of just like mindlessly
sort of walking around and brushing your teeth or sort
of doing another thing so you feel productive while you're
brushing your teeth, like just brush your teeth, feel yourself.
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You can even like look at yourself in the mirror
and like just feel your breath, brush your teeth, feel
the motion, feel the sensation of the brush on your teeth.
These are just opportunities for us to slow down and
be in the present moment. The last one that I love,
especially for us moms, who are you know, transporting our kids.
We are the kid taxis right when you have a
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moment and you've dropped off your kids somewhere, before you
run into the house, before you run into the grocery store,
before you do anything, go ahead and just sit in
your car and take five deep breaths, close your eyes
if you feel like it. And I it's pretty challenging
to actually get to five because you'll realize that, like
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once you get to number three, like your mind has
already wandered, and that's okay, Like that's your mind wandering
is okay, It's part of this process. That's why meditation,
the practice is so imperfect. Right, So all of these
are these mini meditations are such great ways to just
incorporate them and pair them with habits you already have,
and they allow you opportunities to just stop and practice
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like real presence, we become mindful of what we're feeling
in that moment. And again, you know, my belief is
meditation is this sort of portal to our insides all
of a sudden, when we stop the motion, the constant
motion of our bodies, of our schedules, of our minds,
like we actually can feel and check in with ourselves
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and be like, how am I doing today? What do
we need today? Like? Oh, I noticed I woke up
kind of like feel a little off? What's going on
with me? And when you can just have the space
to ask yourselves to those questions, then you start seeing like, oh,
you know what, like okay, I can see that I understand.
Oh that's feels still unresolved, And we start sort of
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seeing what do I need to feel my best today?
So all of those things start sort of sprouting up,
but we can't see them in the hurry and the
rush and the movement of daily lives. So these many
meditations are a great way to just slow down and
become present.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I love that for one, because it's simple and can,
like you explain that in even if you are a
busy mom. I think moms are some of the busiest
people on the planet, and so it's like little rituals
and also in the focus on starting with breath, because
I've had so many experts in various realms talk about
how breath is the master switch of the nervous system,
and I think a lot of moms really do face
overwhelm and burnout just from the stressors of daily life,
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and something as small as like for me, like breathwork
and meditation practices and morning sunlight were really impactful in
helping kind of get my cortisol in a good range,
And like it's gently addressing that burnout because when you're
kind of on that line, you can't address it by
doing more things that are like a to do list
that are going to stress you out more. It's like
you said that, like little plots, even if it's just
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for a couple minutes, can make a huge, huge difference.
But I love how you kind of talked about how
this relates to mindset as well, and I would love
to go a little bit deeper on this, especially maybe
related to how meditation can help us shift from things
like scarcity into abundance or maybe from like overwhelm into
more peace. I know there's like infinite ways that this
is helpful, but can you touch specifically on that for
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maybe moms who are balancing motherhood and household and work
and everything else with life.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh my goodness, this is such a big, big topic.
So I'm just going to come into it with my
own personal experience in hopes that so many of you
mom is out there will really relate and hear me here,
you know, again, using the meditation as this lens for
self awareness, like knowing ourselves. I think it's such a
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beautiful practice because we can start making a distinction between
ego and like our soul's desires and our soul's real
purpose of being here in this world right. And I
think when we feel stress or we feel you know, disappointment, frustration, anger,
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Like when we feel these emotions, they're not bad, they're
just emotions. I think oftentimes it's because, like who our
soul is is meeting up against ego, the ego that's scared,
the ego that wants to be appreciated, but I'm keeping score,
and why are you appreciating me? Like the ego that says,
you know, I'm trying to the soul that says I
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have this big desire to be this beautiful, intentional parrot
and raise my kids in this special way. But the
ego that comes into play, going, oh I'm not doing
it good enough, or oh my god, my little ones
is yelled at me lovely, and I need to teacher,
you know, respect. Like none of these things are bad
or good. I really don't want to put that label
on it. But like the emotions, those that overwhelm like that,
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our nervous system is like reacting to these over over
and over again. Right, So, I think where meditation can
help is number one, calming us down to allow us
to sort of sort through that stuff. We can start
hearing the voice of our ego, right, the noise of
our ego, and we can start separating it and distinguish
it from the voice of our intuition, the voice of
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our soul. And when we can start seeing those two
things as two separate things, we can start identifying. Man,
I'm having a lot of fear about this. I'm having
a lot of anxiety about this. Why, you know, mindset,
I'm thinking that there's not enough there's not enough money,
there's not enough time. You know I spoke earlier about
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you know, this is our first week of summer, summer schedule.
I can't believe how much anxiety I had about summer
schedule because it's I'm somebody who loves routine. I like
to know what I can rely on. I work. I
work full time, right, and so working full time with kids,
folk who refuse camps just refuse camps, like there's no
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such thing. So it's me wanting to be simultaneously knowing
I want to have the free space and the free
time at home with my kids. It's like, there's so
many good things about this summer. You know. I'm definitely
somebody who's like, I have X amount of years, X
amount of summers with my kids like this, right, so
I don't want to just you know, give them up
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to you know, so I could stay in my routine.
So my whole point in saying that is like, as
I was noticing more and more stress and anxiety coming
up about it, I was like, why what's here? And
I could see very clearly, Oh, I have a mindset
called no Katie. You know, when Katie doesn't have a
set schedule, it's chaos. And you know, kid and Katie
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can only be mom or I can be business owner.
I can't do both things at once. I suck traditionally
at you know what everyone thinks that we're so good at,
which is multitasking, which I think is a complete bs.
But I'm not good at it. I'm either working or
I'm mom because I'm want to be present for both. Right, Well,
guess what that doesn't That black and white idea works
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really well when I have constant childcare when it's a
school year, but it doesn't really work so well when
things are a little bit more fluid during the summer.
So I can start recognizing some of the stories that
my ego has, some of the stories that and limitations
that my ego is telling me trying to keep me safe,
trying to keep me on edge, try to make sure
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that you know, for all the very reasons, it doesn't
actually matter why my ego is telling me those stories.
What matters is that I can recognize them, and then
I can come right back in here and say, well,
what is true for me? What do I want to believe? Actually,
I really want to believe that summer is going to
be pretty magical and it's going to be different and
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it's going to be weird. But I have an enormous
amount of support around me, and it's going to require
a little bit more work because it's not like, you
know this skeed, I don't have to think about the
schedule anymore, Like I'm going to have to think about
the schedule on a regular basis. But if I can
stay on top of it, like, it's going to be okay,
you know so. And there's a lot of beauty in
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this in this sort of like flow of summer. There's
an enormous amount of beauty in the flow of summer,
And wouldn't it be great? Like? Can I choose to
believe instead that there's a lot of abundance here. I'm
in the process of writing a book and I'm like,
oh my god, I'm writing a book over the summer.
Oh I. But I'm like, how about I choose to
believe something a little different? What are the practical things
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that I can change in my life? Could I get
up a little earlier so let the kids sleep in
a little later, Like, can I change some practical things
in my daily life that allow me to sort of
lend myself to what what I do want to believe,
which is I want to believe abundantly. I want to
believe that there's enough that I can have all the
things right. I want to believe that I can have
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this great summer with my kids, be a really great
present mom, and I can produce really amazing, abundant and prosperous,
prosperous things in my business that help millions of women
around the world. Yes, I can do it all, and
I'm going to figure out how. Right, So why say
all of that, Because meditation really is that tool that
helps us with that initial process of sort of like
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separating and identifying those limiting beliefs, those stories, those mindsets
that we have. The overwhelm, even the overwhelm. I'm gonna
tread lightly here because overwhelm is a very real thing.
I feel it. It is overstimulation, overwhelm. And it's easy
also to get caught up in the story that that's
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normal and that we're just always going to have it,
and that I'm always doing it and I always have
to run this fast, and that doesn't have to be
true either. So I'll give you this kind of real
life example. So yesterday was a Tuesday. My kids were
signed up for horse camp this week. Okay, they were
supposed to be at horse camp from nine am till
four pm. They went of horse camp. They don't want
(26:51):
to go back, they don't love it. This was the
only camp that we have planned for the whole summer.
So on Tuesday, I'm saying, hey, we can't quit after
one day. You have to at least go today and
then we'll kind of reassess and we'll see how it goes.
We have property, okay, so we have animals, we have property.
As we're leaving to as we're leaving, I'm like gathering
(27:15):
things up, and I see coyote out the back chasing
my chickens, and I'm like, so that the next hour
was trying to find all the chickens. Sadly to say,
we can't find one, but all the rest of them
are okay. So that was interesting. Take the kids to
horse camp instead of just dropping them off. We're already late.
Instead of dropping them off and now I can adhere
(27:37):
to my schedule, I stay there for what turns out
to be another hour, so I can sort of get
them settled because they're not easy to settle in. On
that day, I get home and I immediately have to
re prioritize because I don't have the chunk of time
that I originally thought that I had for work. Right, reprioritize,
check chuck chack. Get the things done. Then I go
up to my mother in law's house, and my mother
(28:00):
in law, my father in law, and our family advocate
and caregiver for them all go to do estate planning
for my in laws. Right. It's an emotional meeting. There's
egos flying like this, a lot of lot. It's a
heavy meeting. I leave there. Meanwhile, I'm on the phone
with my husband who's like, has forgotten about gymnastics practice
(28:24):
and he has to go to and I'm trying to
remind and do all the things, and he's like, yeah,
but what about dinner?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And I'm like, oh, marble, do you know how many
thousands of details have gone into making this day work
the way it needs to work today and you are
just asking me about dinner.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Anyway. My point saying that is like I felt so charged,
I felt so fried, And that's a real feeling of overwhelming.
It is real. And I was reminded by the end
of the day because all I was doing I was
taking deep breaths on the way home. I wasn't listening
to anything I wasn't talking to people. I made quiet
(29:02):
and I just took deep breaths. On my way home,
I was looking out, I was noticing the sky, I
was noticing the water, I was noticing the rain, like
just bringing myself into presents, and I realized, Okay, I
can let this become part of the story that I'm
an overworked, overwhelmed, busy mompreneur.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I can choose to do that, or I can choose
to say today was hard and that's okay. What do
I need to kind of get me back to center
and what do I want to believe for the day,
for this next day. Right, So today I was out
with my chickens. I did my coffee out with my chickens,
and I just was in nature for like an hour
(29:43):
with my chickens, reminding myself what I'm grateful for, kind
of reassessing, you know, feet in the grass, grounding myself,
and just reassessing how I wanted the stay to be.
So we can't do that if we continue to sort
of like just assume take and kind of war that
story over and over again, you know what I mean.
(30:05):
So I guess all that to say that it's really
up to us at any given moment how we want
to step into our lives, and meditation becomes and aware
self awareness becomes the door to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I love that as an example, and I love especially
that like refocusing and realizing we have more choice than
we often feel like we do when we're caught up
in the busyness of life. And that question you said,
of what do I want to choose to believe? Because
I think we do have so much more choice than
we often feel like we do in a given moment
when life is happening and I'm going to go out
on a limb and wonder. I also found in your
bio and note that you had reversed your lifelong asthma naturally,
(30:40):
and I'm curious if any of this inner work was
related to that. And I ask only because I reverse hashimotoves,
which they also tell you is not reversible, and you're
told like you're going to be on medication forever. And
the funny part is I did. And I've talked about
this before. I did a lot of the physical stuff,
but I've been doing that for years and years, and
it wasn't until I addressed the emotional spiritual side in
(31:01):
or the inner work that things actually shifted. And for me,
it was learning to see myself well and say myself well,
and not say that I was sick, but to say
I was healing, not say my body was attacking itself,
say my body was working in my favor, things like that.
So I'm curious if you also have a story of
how this relates to your healing as well.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, for me, it all comes down to deep, deep
self awareness, deep self knowing, in belief and trust in
who i am as a soul and believing that I'm
whole and believing that I know what's best for me.
No one else knows what's best for me. And I
can be incredibly rebellious in this way, and I can
absolutely kick myself outside of the box because I refuse
(31:41):
to stay in that thing, you know, to an aggravating degree.
I'm sure to other people, but I don't care. It's
my life. And so, yeah, I have been asthmatic since
I was eighteen months old, and you know, at some
point in early junior high, like was on daily meds
for it, daily in healer's for it. Obviously it was
regulated because I was a big time athlete still am,
(32:03):
and so it was regulated. And then sixteen years ago
I met my husband, and my husband's a bird parrot guy,
and we got a parrot together. And a couple months
into us having a parrot, I realized, like I was
on a master's swim team at that point, and I
could not swim one lap like it. I could not
breathe like it felt it was. It was such torture
(32:25):
trying to breathe every single breath. No amount of inhalers
would help. And so I realized, oh my god, I'm
allergic to her. This is crazy. And you know, everything
I read was either get rid of your parent or
your you know, allergen pet or buy this ten thousand
dollars ear purified fire that may or may not work. Right.
So I was like, there's got to be another way,
(32:46):
and I ended up finding, you know, kind of going
down the rabbit hole of internet marketing back then, which
I'm so grateful for, because I found this incredible article
that basically was like, here's here is the combination of
supplements that you need in order to not only deal
with the symptoms of asthma, but actually will repair your
(33:06):
respiratory system over time. So it's this combination. It's a
specific combination of care sinin, which is a natural antihistamine
many of us might use it already for like seasonal allergies,
and then bromolane, which is the root of a pineapple plant. Right,
So the combination of these two things and a certain
amount of certain high dosage over time will do this.
So that's sort of the actual thing, right, Well, what
(33:29):
was what I did kind of in the holistic realm
is that, like, and I noticed a difference the next
day as I started taking these, like within twenty four hours,
I could notice a significant difference in the symptoms, like
I could breathe again. So but what I was actively
doing is I was actively meditating and doing like visualizations
(33:51):
of like my lungs opening up and staying open and
being whole and strong and clear. Like every day. I
would do that just you know, I don't want to
make it seem like a chore, because it wasn't. I
would just be like, oh, maybe like the five minutes
up right after I get up, or the five minutes
right before I go to bed, I would just do
this little visualization of like me breathing, my lungs opening
(34:14):
up my body working perfectly. You know, I would see
sort of like everything circulating beautifully, and I would see
myself sort of like being able to run for a
long distance, being able to swim for a long distance.
So that visualization really lent itself into like I am
whole and complete. My body knows how to take care
of itself, my body knows how to heal, and I'm
(34:36):
gonna trust that now, fast forward, And so it took
me that and the supplements. I was off of my
daily meds within I think a year, Like it took
me nine months to a year, and then another half
of a year to actually wean off of the supplements.
So like, I don't take anything now for what like
(34:57):
it's fourteen years now, fifteen years now, and so I
don't consider myself having asthma anymore. Now, fast forward. Last summer,
I did something very similar. I kind of had a
little bit of a breast cancer scare, Like I was
feeling sort of like some lumps in my breast and
you know, I'm forty six. And again this kind of
goes into it like this deep deep. I'm such an
(35:18):
advocate for deep self, knowing like no one knows me
better than me. No one knows my body better than me,
no one knows my mind better than me, no one
knows my soul better than me. So my doctor, thankfully
is I knows I'm super granola, knows that I will
always want a natural way of doing things first, knows
that I'm very much like, let's work on the mind first,
(35:40):
and you know, I really do believe that the body
will fall suit, you know, in some respects. To make
a very long story short, he recommended I go get
a mammogram, do all the things, and they basically said, hey,
you need to go get a biopsy, which was a
little terrifying, right, And so there was probably half a
(36:00):
day where I was just like letting myself live in terror, like,
oh my God, called up the insurance company, what do
I do if I have cancer? Like all that crap.
And then after that I was like, it's not really
how I'm going to approach this. That's that doesn't feel
right for me. Right, I'm going to approach this from
a state of I'm already whole and complete. What do
what is my mind need and what does my body
(36:20):
need to heal? And so I would just and this
is heavily influenced by doctor Joe Dispenza too. I was
kind of listening to some of his books at the time,
which is very much that concept, like if like we
can really like control our minds and visualize what we
want in our physical lives, will sort of step into that, right.
So I was just visualizing like a completely healed body practically,
(36:44):
though that doesn't mean I wasn't doing practical things practically speaking.
I gave up coffee, like the kind of the what
I now know is not very good coffee at the time,
and within forty eight hours, like my symptoms, like all
the heaviness and the density there and the pain there
was cut in half. So but I kept on visualizing,
(37:04):
like everything's healing, I'm good, I'm totally fine. And I
went in to get the biopsy and they have to
do a mammogram at first in order to triangulate what
the first mammogram found, and they couldn't find anything. So
I never had a biopsy, and I was like, I knew,
I already know, I already know what you're gonna tell me.
So I just believed wholeheartedly, like I'm healed, I'm fine,
(37:24):
my body's strong, my body knows how to heal itself,
and I just I unwaveringly believe that stuff, and I
think that that's very true to my personality. I just
unwaveringly believe what I want to believe, and we're all
allowed to do that. We don't have to live by
it any of the other rules, Like we can just
believe what we want to believe and therefore make it
(37:46):
all happen.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
You know, I fully agree with you, and I think
this is like it's so powerful and often underestimated, and
I would guess some people listening maybe doubting that this
is so powerful, and I think your wording is actually
very important, like unwaveringly we believe, Like I have a
friend who has that perfectly with even small things of
like she knows she will have a parking spot right
in front of wherever she's going every single time, and
(38:09):
she does every single time. But the extreme example on
the flip side of this would be there are many
documented medical cases where someone is given a terminal diagnosis,
they die when they're told they're going to die, and
then the autopsy reveals they didn't actually have whatever it was,
it was a misdiagnosis. But because they believe they were
going to die on a schedule they did, so that
to me illustrates the extreme other side of just how
(38:31):
powerful this is. But I think that like unwavering belief,
is really the key and applies to so many areas
of life. And if we're going to already have all
these inner thoughts every day, why not learn to make
them in our favor and to make them more positive
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love to hear from you about because we're both mom
entrepreneurs and something I think about often is kind of
what lessons do I hope my kids take away from
not just having me as a mom, but like me
being in the work that I do while being their mom,
and hopefully, like I think often of, like I know
they see me work a lot. I hope they often
also realize that like they are a priority and I'm
(40:42):
there with them a lot. I hope they feel my presence.
But I'm really curious for you, like, how do you
balance that and what do you hope your daughters take
away from seeing you as a working mom.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Oh man, that's a great question, you know, because historically
I sort of like compartmentalize work life and then for
a long time, actually they didn't really see me work,
and so I realize, like I'm kind of doing them
a disservice if I don't work a little bit in
front of them. So if they don't because they're like,
what does mommy do? Right? I talk about my work
(41:12):
a lot, and we listen to my meditations every single
night to put them to bed, so they know they
they I am very clear about like hey, mommy's going
in for an interview right now, or like I'm going
in I got a record meditations. They kind of will
walk in on me in my closet as I'm doing meditations.
Sometimes they don't know the full scope of all the stuff,
nor do they need to, but they see mom work
(41:36):
a little bit right enough to know that I do work,
enough to know that like I do, because I verbalize it,
I do important work that I love. And I'm very
I'm very quick to say like I do work I love,
like you get to you are allowed to do work
you love. So one of the big things that I
hope that they see is that. And because my husband's
(41:58):
an entrepreneur too, and so he very much is passion driven,
and they see both of us that way. So I
love that they're getting two examples of just humans following
their passions and it's not they They see the struggle,
like you know, they see it, They see the frustration.
They hear me and Daddy talking about some business stuff, right,
(42:21):
but they see and I think sometimes I'll sort of
bring the lesson home that, like, you're allowed to do
what you love, You're allowed to you know, we just
bought this property last year, and I remember talking to
my daughters about, like we got this because you know,
our companies do well and we earn money and we
do that by providing beautiful things and things that help people.
(42:43):
And you know, it's all you were having the money
conversations about what money is. It's this tool that for
exchange and you know, following what you love and all
this stuff can come. You just got to believe it.
So you know, they're I love that they see kind
of that whole, the whole garden of what work is,
(43:05):
because for us, it's not. It's not nine to five
and then we're done and they never see it, and
we complain about it. We don't. We've lived a very
different life than than many folks. And it's not to judge,
it's not. It's just to say, like, our life looks
very different. And so I love that they see that.
I love that they see a life where we have flexibility.
(43:26):
I love that they get to have us, you know.
I love that we're involved with their school. Like they
go to this really cool independent school that's very like
holistic and fun. Like I love that, like we're involved there.
I'm teaching meditation there. They have gardening going on there
that I'm that I'll participate in, and like, you know,
like I love that we're there and available for them.
And then they get to see the manifestation of what
(43:50):
it means to work and work hard and work passionately
about towards something that you really love. And I'm seeing
this already in my oldest one because we don't ask
the question like what do you to be when you
grow up? We don't. We don't do that, but we'll
just will help them lean into what their interests are.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
So, you know, my oldest daughter loves art. She's a
phenomenal artist, and we just like love on her with that.
So anytime we see her art, oh my gosh, this
is so good. You should try this and this and this.
And we've at least given her enough information for her
to know, like that she could go to art school
if she wanted to. She everyone take it more art classes,
(44:28):
like she could continue to follow that curiosity of art, right,
and then we'll talk what I said something to her.
She said something the other day. I think that they
have a conversation at school about like you could be
an artist when you grow up, right, And I kind
of said the thing, like, you know, babe, some people
might tell you that if you're an artist, you can't
make money. She looked at me very strangely, she's like,
(44:49):
I go, yeah, I go. But the truth is, like
I'm an artist. I'm a writer, you know, and I
make money and we're all artist. Like you're an artist,
make money with what you want to do. Like there's
a bazillion different ways to make the living and and
put beautiful things out in the world and be prosperous
as an artist. But the most important thing is that
(45:10):
you're doing it because you love it and you're happy
and brings you joy. So it like it's she sees us,
and then we have these conversations that sort of like
tie it all together. So I think that's my favorite
thing is that they see us in action and that
we have the freedom of schedule to be as as
(45:30):
active with them and as present with them as we
possibly can be. You know.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I love that. And it goes back to what you
said earlier too, about like that motherhood and work don't
have to be like these separate silos necessarily, Like they
can overlap beautifully, and they can both be priorities without
sacrificing from each other, and you can be so present
with both and them your daughters get to see that
kind of play out in your life. I'm also curious,
like what boundaries, routines, practical things do you have in
(45:55):
place to balance both, because I know you probably get
that question a lot. I certainly get that question a
lot of like how do you balance the work and
the kids and all the things.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, so let me make sure I'm following up with
this by saying that I don't this is not a
perfect thing, like it might sound all rainbows and unicorns,
but like it's it's messy. It's very messy. And I
call it my momrepreneur equation, which is sort of like,
you know, I really, I really believe, like I'm putting
my priorities and my values on my calendar so that
you want to talk about a practical thing. I put
(46:24):
them on my calendar so I know when I'm doing
work kind of what my start and stop times are
with work, what I'm working on for that day. I
try to be as efficient energetically and practically with the
work that I'm doing. When I'm doing the work, and
that never looks perfect, right, There's always wiggle room, things
(46:46):
always shift, and that's okay. But if I can have
like general template of like what a week looks like,
I really look at my life in like week long
segments and then you know, so it's just it's always
it's messy. And then with my kids, I love like
I love routine. I love Okay, every Tuesday we do this,
every Friday we do this, and that that's not real
life a lot, you know. So I sort of like
(47:08):
lean into that immediately, like, okay, do we do you know,
me and my husband do. We do date nights every
Saturday night, right, but you know, we've had seasons where
that kind of goes in and out and not make
sure that she and I are really strong amidst the
constant changing of life, you know. But for me, it
is primary most important for me to schedule alone time
(47:32):
with myself, and that is I have recognized the older
I get, I need a lot of alone time. I
need a lot of time. Some of that can be
reflective meditation time. Right now, that typically looks like I'm
waking up really you know, four thirty or five am,
and I'm just sort of giving myself a good half
an hour to an hour to not be productive, like
(47:54):
let me just sit with my coffee and I meditate.
Sometimes I feel really inspired to like write something really
quick and I kind of just let myself do what
I feel most called to do at that time. But
like there's no checking shut off of a list during
that time, you know, but that time is so important
for me, and I'll do that multiple times during the day.
You talked about getting outside and getting sunlight, like you know,
(48:16):
we have land here, so it is very easy and
important for me. Like if I ever feel sort of like,
oh my gosh, lots of stuff going on, I just
will easily like just walk outside, go look at the creek,
Go look at the chickens, go look, go walk around
a little bit, get outside, get in the sun. So
for me, it is definitely like knowing what my priorities are,
knowing what my values are in any given season, time
(48:38):
with my husband, time with myself, time to work out.
You know, how am I taking care of my mind,
my body, my soul first? How do I get that first?
And business is me working is a part of that
because what I do is incredibly soul fulfilling. I love
what I do and it's an expression of who I
am in this world, and so I have to make
(48:59):
time for that. So for me, I sort of like
schedule that it's shown up on my calendar, Like where
am I setting those times? What am I doing? And
how do I even if it all doesn't happen at
least I've sort of set a template for the week,
you know what I mean. And then you know, again,
it's really important for me to be present with my
girls and as they age. They're nine and six right now,
(49:20):
they're at a really fun age where they're sort of
like shifting into these kind of like girls slash women,
like young women, and so it's beautiful, Like how we
spend time together now is very different than what it
looked like, you know, two years ago. So it's less
caretaking and more like connecting. So we've just started and
(49:41):
again we're not perfect with this, but we've just started
doing like little like daddy daughter dates and I will
go on to a mommy daughter day and then the
following week we switch, you know, like having one on
one time with each of our girls, making sure they
feel seen and making sure that we're getting to know
who they are as they're they're growing and aging and
what's important to them. And so it's like the those
things like I try to see it and create this
(50:04):
template for my values on my calendar and then life
will change it and move it, but it'll give me
some sort of of a starting point.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I love that. And I know you have you mentioned
linked twenty podcast and you have so many resources available,
especially for the moms listening. Where is a good jumping
in point and starting point. I'll make sure I link
to all of it in the show notes too, of course.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah. Yeah, So we actually have a Meditation for Moms podcast.
It's one of my favorite. The graphic itself, the visual
itself is so beautiful. It's this woman with like this
rainbow colored hair. She's this really artistic, beautiful silhouette face
and then she's got like these rainbow hairs coming out.
It's just gorgeous. So it's called Meditation for Moms, and
(50:47):
they're humbly speaking. I deliberately put meditations on there and
create meditations that I really want to relate and hit
home with the moms in many types of moms, many
seasons of moms, many seasons of motherhood, so from a
brand new mom to like, you know, mom going through
empty nests. So that is a really great place to start.
(51:07):
Meditation for women are original. I love recommending that one
because I feel like it's a little bit of a
buffet style, like there's a little bit of everything there.
There's sort of like these really beautiful poetic ones that
I'm writing. There's sleep meditations on there, there's morning meditations
on there, there's affirmations on there, there's sounds on there.
So there's a little bit of everything. So it can
kind of like be a great place to start, and
(51:29):
you could be like, oh, I really like these morning meditations.
I'm gonna go listen to morning meditation for women. So yeah,
it's those two I think would be such a great
place to start. Women's Meditation Network dot com is sort
of our home where it's very easy to sort of
you know, browse around and get what you need or
whatever podcast player you're listening to. Now you can just
go type in Women's Meditation Network and you know, see
(51:50):
all of our shows there and just kind of like
start searching. It's meant to be a library, like a
giant library for you to just search through. I really
do my best to try and make the titles approachable
and easy, and like I literally have one called when
You're overstimulated and overwhelmed, like those are the titles of
my sessions because that's when we need it. That's when
(52:13):
I'm like, yes, I need that one, right, I need
to play that one. So yes, those are the places
to start.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I love it. Well, all of those will be linked
in the show notes. And I have so much enjoyed
getting to know you and this conversation and all that
you've shared. Thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Katie, Thank you so much. I'm so grateful. I really
really appreciate it. I'm so so proud of the work
that you do with mamas like it just I you know,
you talked about back in twenty fourteen about you know,
the message and the connection you really wanted to make.
You've obviously done that, and I just I love it,
like the more mamas that can get the resources and
(52:49):
feel connected that we need to feel and be seen
in this crazy Oh my gosh, ninety percent of what
we do is completely invisible. Like the fact that you
make that so visible and so relatable is so beautiful.
So just thank you for your work that you do.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh, thank you, and thanks to all of you for
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I'm Katie from Wellnessmama dot com and this episode is
close to home because today I talk to another mom
also named Katie, all about meditation, motherhood, money, mindset mantras,
and how to work this in even as if you're
a busy mom, so relevant to a lot of us.
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Katie is fascinating. She is the creator of the Women's
Meditation Network, which is a family of over twenty podcasts
that provide meditations to women and to kids. She first
launched her first podcast in twenty eighteen and has grown
massively since then to be in the top point zero
one percent of all podcasts with a one hundred and
sixty four billion downloads, and as a podcaster myself, I
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know that is no small feat. She is a mom
up to, a meditation expert, and a women's empowerment entrepreneur,
and we get to go in so many directions about meditation,
about how she reversed her lifelong asthma naturally, about how
she balances things as a busy working mom and doesn't
feel like that those two things have to compete with
each other, what to do about stress, overwhelm and burnout,
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and so much more. Very fun conversation, So let's join
her now. Eadie, welcome. It's such a pleasure to finally
meet you. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Katie's so honored. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm really excited for this conversation. I think it's going
to be really relevant to everybody listening, especially the moms,
as we get to delve into things of motherhood, meditations, mantras, money, mindset,
how those things are all related, and your incredible story
and work around it. Before we jump into that, though,
I have a note from researching your bio that you
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had ten varsity athletic letters when you graduated from high school,
and that you hiped up and down the Grand Canyon
in one day. So you are obviously quite an incredible athlete.
But I would love to hear a little detail on
those two stories.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, So I grew up in a
tiny little town like on the border of Arizona. I'm Mexico,
and like I'm forty six now. So I graduated high
school in ninety seven, if that gives you know, kind
of timelines there, And I clearly remember really only kind
of getting into like formal sports and like competitive sports
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in junior high. So by the time I got to
freshman year of high school, I made the varsity softball team.
And I need to kind of like have a little
bit of humility in that fact because it was the
first year we had a girls' softball team at all,
because it wasn't just small school. But so I basically,
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you know, like every year I had varsity continued in
versity softball, basketball, oh my gosh, volleyball I was in.
I did swimming during the summers. I did, you know,
softball stuff during the summer. Basically, if I could be
busy with sports. That's what I did. And then years
ago in my twenties, I got really involved in like
triathlons and road races and all sorts of stuff and
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kind of had a group of you know, my athlete girlfriends,
and we kind of took a trip to Arizona and
did our kind of like one day hike down and
up Green Canyon and it was really cool. It was
a lot more challenging than I thought it would be.
I was like, Oh, we're hiking, you know, we're walking
up and down, not a big deal. But it was actually, like,
you know, pretty rigorous. But I really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That is incredible, and I'm most excited today to learn
from you. I feel like you were perhaps the most
inspiring example in this realm that I've seen of all
things meditation, because from my understanding, you did not get
to develop this on a mountain in a monastery in
a completely zen environment. You actually started this with a
baby and a top and a real life as a mom,
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which I think makes it so relatable. That can you
share some of your origin story and how you got
into this to begin with and what those early days
were like?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, thank you Oh, my goodness. So I have been
an entrepreneur for about sixteen years now, which means sixteen
years ago I sort of consciously opted out of, you know,
the corporate life and had a lot of iterations of
trying to figure things out and where I was supposed
to be and how I would make money in a
meaningful way and all that stuff. And somewhere in there,
(05:32):
in twenty fourteen, I became a podcaster because I had
I loved entrepreneurship and I loved women, and I figured
I could, you know, sort of marry the two passions
and just have these great conversations with women about their
entrepreneurial journeys. And so that became a really beautiful business
that I loved called BIS Women Rock, and I, you know,
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basically cultivated this incredible group of women entrepreneurs who I
would provide coaching for masterminds, for retreats, you know, memberships, education,
all the things. And that was the business I had.
It was thriving, it was really great. I loved it.
And fast forward. I had my first daughter within that
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time and sort of figured out that whole morepreneur constantly
figuring out, like constant evolving, you know equation for me,
and then in twenty eighteen, at the beginning of twenty eighteen,
sort of had all these big grand ideas to triple
the reach, triple the business. Yes, we can do it,
and it was a real solid plan. Q one passed.
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I'm hitting those marks. And then in April of twenty eighteen,
we found out we were pregnant with my second daughter.
And for all of you mamas, you just know like
something if it's not more than one thing, but something
seems to automatically change the moment you realize you're pregnant.
And for me that was like I heard this incredibly distinct,
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loud whisper that said, you're done with this business, which
was very terrifying to me because I it was a
lifestyle business by that point. It really took care of
me and my family at that point, and so it
was very scary and I loved it. I was like,
what do you mean, Like, I really love this, but
now I'm questioning and what am I supposed to do?
(07:15):
So pretty wisely on my part, I just decided, like,
you know what, I'm not going to make any big
decisions in this space of me feeling really uncertain I'm
just going to kind of like let myself live in
this unknowing and I'm going to just be here with
the question of what does this mean and what does
this mean for me and my family? And if not this,
what am I supposed to do? And you know, I
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basically held back on all the things I was going
to launch and all the things I was about to do.
I remember losing a deposit on a retreat, a live
retreat that I had planned for because now I was like, well,
I'm not going to do that yet, because I don't
really know. In this time, I was going on walks
with my husband every single day, you know, kind of
like processing everything. So one day I'd be like, Okay,
(08:01):
I can make it happen. I'm superwoman, you know. Having
a baby's going to like really focus me and align
me and I can like really you know, grow into
this business that I'm doing. And then the next day'd
be like, I'm going to be a stay at home mom.
I can't do this stuff. I'm done. And that's what
I thought, being a stay at home mom would actually
be easier than running your company, which is completely bonkers.
So during this time, it was a couple of weeks
(08:24):
into these walks, and you know, I'm telling my husband
again sort of like the ins and outs, and he's
just beautifully listening, and he kind of lets me finish,
and he looks at me and he says, well, what
about that meditation idea? And what he was referring to was,
you know, a few months ago, when I was doing
the beginning of the year planning, I had an idea
for a meditation podcast for women and I didn't do
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anything with it because it did really fit in line
with the business at the time. And so now here
he was putting it back in front of me, saying, well,
what about it? And I was like, well what about it?
He's like, what about it? And that was the seed
that was planted for the Women's Meditation Network, because all
of a sudden, within like an hour, we brainstormed and
I was like, oh my god, this this is what
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it could be. This is what it might provide for
me and my family and the women out there. And
I just saw really clearly, even though from the outside
perspective it seemed like a complete non sequitor to go
from like business and entrepreneurship, and that's Katie's no One
knew I meditated. No one knew that I did that
at all. I never talked about it. It was not
part of like you know, I just it was something
(09:29):
private to me, and so it was very weird from
the outside perspective, but internally I really got I understood
of like, yes, this is my next evolution of my
work in the world and how I feel like I'm
supposed to be giving my gift. And I saw very
clearly it was a whole network, it wasn't just one podcast.
(09:50):
And to kind of validate that vision, I remember going
on Apple Podcasts at the time and just typing in
meditation and women, and one podcast showed up and I
was like, there's no way, there's no way that this
doesn't exist here. So I just knew. I was like, Okay,
the market's right for it. This is me. I am
(10:10):
a woman searching for meditation and if I saw myself
in what I found that, I'm going to click play, right,
And so that's what I That was enough for me
to start, and so I started with my original podcast
called Meditation for Women back in the summer of twenty eighteen,
seven years ago, and I did it with a baby
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my belly and a toddler at the time, knowing, Okay,
I also want I'm going to deliberately create a business
model that allows for time freedom because I had a
business model that had me meeting with clients, and I
had an incredible community, mostly of moms who would totally
get and give me grace in a changing lifestyle, right,
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but I just knew. I was like, no, no, no, no,
I want to be able to write during nap time
and bedtimes, and I want to be able to record
during those times, and then I want to be able
to be mom. And so I knew it would grant
me sort of that time freedom. So I did, and
three months into launching that first podcast, it was already
surpassing the numbers of my you know, very well established podcasts.
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So I was like, okay, weink from the universe. I
got it. I'll keep going and the endgame really is
now seven years later, we now have twenty podcasts that
are part of the entire network, everything from Sleep Meditation
for Women, Morning Meditation for Women, Daily Affirmations, Meditation for Anxiety,
Meditation for Kids, Sleep Meditation for Kids, and I do
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it deliberately is a it is an operation like we
are at operation, and my mantra is constantly like, how
can we provide high quality and high quantity meditations that
women can pick and choose and grasp during any part
of the day, during any season of their life to
support the goals that they have for their their deep
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need for self awareness.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That is quite the story, and I love that, I
like have some resonance in your story as well. On
the podcasting side, at least in that when I started
in twenty fourteen, there were very few health and wellness
podcasts specifically for women and none for moms, and they
are all these great men podcasts, but I was like,
somebody needs to speak to the women and to the moms,
because I feel and I would guess you agree, moms
are such a force of nature and when we help
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the moms, we create ripples through not just families, but society.
And I think like that's where change begins. And I
also love what you said about when you were going
through that transition, the realization of just sitting there and
being in the unknown. I think that in between space
can be so uncomfortable and so transformative, and so I
love that you talked about that specifically, and I would
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guess a lot of people listening. I know this was
me for a lot of years.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Like knew the.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Benefits of meditation, like every expert talks about meditation being,
you know, so helpful, but it was really hard as
a mom for me, especially in the toddler years, to
actually make that a practice in the busyness of daily life.
So I would love for you to speak to the
woman who maybe like once a min know she should meditate,
but has trouble actually implementing that in her life or
making it a habit, or feels like she doesn't have
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the time or the space or the patience in this
phase of life.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yes, that's such a great practical question. So before I
get to the practical answers to that, I want to
give a little bit of a backdrop as to why
I'm going to say these practical answers. So you're right,
we all know the benefits of meditation. Anyone could come here,
you could do quick google, SICH, ask chat GBT and
they will tell you like here are the ten top
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you know, physical, mental, spiritual benefits of meditation. So we
kind of all intuitively know that stuff. You know, it's
going to lower your heart, your blood pressure, your you know,
standing heart rate, like there's it's going to lower cortisol level,
like all of the things. We know this already, right,
That's not why I do meditation. That is a side
benefit of why I do meditation for myself and why
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I share meditation and share the gift of meditation, because really,
what's underneath there The real core reason that I'm so
passionate about meditation is because I believe that it is
one of the most powerful tools for us to get
to know ourselves. It's an uncomfortable tool, meaning, you know,
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we have to practice almost like you said, it's sort
of like a microcosm of that season I went through,
where like you have to practice being in the stillness
when we're so entrenched in motion all the time. Right.
But I really believe that when we use the tool
of meditation to come into ourselves, to listen, to create
enough space inside of our minds and our souls to
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actually hear our intuition, we have all the answers inside
of us. We remember that we're whole and that we're
perfect just as we are, and all of that ego
stuff starts dissolving pretty quickly. So I believe it's life changing.
It is world changing when you can use this tool
over and over again to be able to know thyself
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and therefore create the life you actually really love. So
with that in mind, the tools I'm going to share
are so simple and yet so profound because they give
us opportunities to do this. They give us opportunities to
come inside and just sort of touch base with ourselves.
So for those of us who are super busy, as
we all are, for those of us who are constantly emotion,
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for those of us who have the toddlers running around,
for those of us hands raised, whose kids are home
on summer break, creating out, and all of a sudden
you're in a new schedule where kids are home with
you all the time. You know, some of the very
very simple things that you could do is what I
like to call many meditations, and many meditations are opportunities
for you to just come into your breath, to just pause.
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So a couple really great examples of these, and kind
of a secondary tip I could give here is to
align these many meditations with habits you already have. Brushing
your teeth, taking a shower, you know, doing your workout,
whatever it is that you do on a regular basis,
like you always do it. You don't have to worry
about it. You know, attach these things to those so
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many meditation might look like you're in the shower and
instead of you sort of trying to hurry up and
hurry up and get to the baby, or you know,
hurry up and get to the next thing that you're
supposed to do, calm down, come inside, and just focus
on your breath for five breaths.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Come in, focus on counting, like breathing in, breathing out,
breathing in, breathing out. Okay, that's it. Pretty soon you'll
be able to sort of like just pay attention to
sort of like you know, all of our senses, meaning
you'll start feeling the warm water on your back, you'll
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start feeling the water sort of dripping down you, and
you just become aware of your sensitive brings you into
the moment. Another many meditation idea could be that you know,
you're brushing your teeth, and instead of just like mindlessly
sort of walking around and brushing your teeth or sort
of doing another thing so you feel productive while you're
brushing your teeth, like just brush your teeth, feel yourself.
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You can even like look at yourself in the mirror
and like just feel your breath, brush your teeth, feel
the motion, feel the sensation of the brush on your teeth.
These are just opportunities for us to slow down and
be in the present moment. The last one that I love,
especially for us moms, who are you know, transporting our kids.
We are the kid taxis right when you have a
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moment and you've dropped off your kids somewhere, before you
run into the house, before you run into the grocery store,
before you do anything, go ahead and just sit in
your car and take five deep breaths, close your eyes
if you feel like it. And I it's pretty challenging
to actually get to five because you'll realize that, like
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once you get to number three, like your mind has
already wandered, and that's okay, Like that's your mind wandering
is okay, It's part of this process. That's why meditation,
the practice is so imperfect. Right, So all of these
are these mini meditations are such great ways to just
incorporate them and pair them with habits you already have,
and they allow you opportunities to just stop and practice
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like real presence, we become mindful of what we're feeling
in that moment. And again, you know, my belief is
meditation is this sort of portal to our insides all
of a sudden, when we stop the motion, the constant
motion of our bodies, of our schedules, of our minds,
like we actually can feel and check in with ourselves
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and be like, how am I doing today? What do
we need today? Like? Oh, I noticed I woke up
kind of like feel a little off? What's going on
with me? And when you can just have the space
to ask yourselves to those questions, then you start seeing like, oh,
you know what, like okay, I can see that I understand.
Oh that's feels still unresolved, And we start sort of
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seeing what do I need to feel my best today?
So all of those things start sort of sprouting up,
but we can't see them in the hurry and the
rush and the movement of daily lives. So these many
meditations are a great way to just slow down and
become present.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I love that for one, because it's simple and can,
like you explain that in even if you are a
busy mom. I think moms are some of the busiest
people on the planet, and so it's like little rituals
and also in the focus on starting with breath, because
I've had so many experts in various realms talk about
how breath is the master switch of the nervous system,
and I think a lot of moms really do face
overwhelm and burnout just from the stressors of daily life,
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and something as small as like for me, like breathwork
and meditation practices and morning sunlight were really impactful in
helping kind of get my cortisol in a good range,
And like it's gently addressing that burnout because when you're
kind of on that line, you can't address it by
doing more things that are like a to do list
that are going to stress you out more. It's like
you said that, like little plots, even if it's just
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for a couple minutes, can make a huge, huge difference.
But I love how you kind of talked about how
this relates to mindset as well, and I would love
to go a little bit deeper on this, especially maybe
related to how meditation can help us shift from things
like scarcity into abundance or maybe from like overwhelm into
more peace. I know there's like infinite ways that this
is helpful, but can you touch specifically on that for
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maybe moms who are balancing motherhood and household and work
and everything else with life.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh my goodness, this is such a big, big topic.
So I'm just going to come into it with my
own personal experience in hopes that so many of you
mom is out there will really relate and hear me here,
you know, again, using the meditation as this lens for
self awareness, like knowing ourselves. I think it's such a
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beautiful practice because we can start making a distinction between
ego and like our soul's desires and our soul's real
purpose of being here in this world right. And I
think when we feel stress or we feel you know, disappointment, frustration, anger,
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Like when we feel these emotions, they're not bad, they're
just emotions. I think oftentimes it's because, like who our
soul is is meeting up against ego, the ego that's scared,
the ego that wants to be appreciated, but I'm keeping score,
and why are you appreciating me? Like the ego that says,
you know, I'm trying to the soul that says I
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have this big desire to be this beautiful, intentional parrot
and raise my kids in this special way. But the
ego that comes into play, going, oh I'm not doing
it good enough, or oh my god, my little ones
is yelled at me lovely, and I need to teacher,
you know, respect. Like none of these things are bad
or good. I really don't want to put that label
on it. But like the emotions, those that overwhelm like that,
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our nervous system is like reacting to these over over
and over again. Right, So, I think where meditation can
help is number one, calming us down to allow us
to sort of sort through that stuff. We can start
hearing the voice of our ego, right, the noise of
our ego, and we can start separating it and distinguish
it from the voice of our intuition, the voice of
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our soul. And when we can start seeing those two
things as two separate things, we can start identifying. Man,
I'm having a lot of fear about this. I'm having
a lot of anxiety about this. Why, you know, mindset,
I'm thinking that there's not enough there's not enough money,
there's not enough time. You know I spoke earlier about
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you know, this is our first week of summer, summer schedule.
I can't believe how much anxiety I had about summer
schedule because it's I'm somebody who loves routine. I like
to know what I can rely on. I work. I
work full time, right, and so working full time with kids,
folk who refuse camps just refuse camps, like there's no
(22:54):
such thing. So it's me wanting to be simultaneously knowing
I want to have the free space and the free
time at home with my kids. It's like, there's so
many good things about this summer. You know. I'm definitely
somebody who's like, I have X amount of years, X
amount of summers with my kids like this, right, so
I don't want to just you know, give them up
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to you know, so I could stay in my routine.
So my whole point in saying that is like, as
I was noticing more and more stress and anxiety coming
up about it, I was like, why what's here? And
I could see very clearly, Oh, I have a mindset
called no Katie. You know, when Katie doesn't have a
set schedule, it's chaos. And you know, kid and Katie
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can only be mom or I can be business owner.
I can't do both things at once. I suck traditionally
at you know what everyone thinks that we're so good at,
which is multitasking, which I think is a complete bs.
But I'm not good at it. I'm either working or
I'm mom because I'm want to be present for both. Right, Well,
guess what that doesn't That black and white idea works
(24:01):
really well when I have constant childcare when it's a
school year, but it doesn't really work so well when
things are a little bit more fluid during the summer.
So I can start recognizing some of the stories that
my ego has, some of the stories that and limitations
that my ego is telling me trying to keep me safe,
trying to keep me on edge, try to make sure
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that you know, for all the very reasons, it doesn't
actually matter why my ego is telling me those stories.
What matters is that I can recognize them, and then
I can come right back in here and say, well,
what is true for me? What do I want to believe? Actually,
I really want to believe that summer is going to
be pretty magical and it's going to be different and
(24:43):
it's going to be weird. But I have an enormous
amount of support around me, and it's going to require
a little bit more work because it's not like, you
know this skeed, I don't have to think about the
schedule anymore, Like I'm going to have to think about
the schedule on a regular basis. But if I can
stay on top of it, like, it's going to be okay,
you know so. And there's a lot of beauty in
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this in this sort of like flow of summer. There's
an enormous amount of beauty in the flow of summer,
And wouldn't it be great? Like? Can I choose to
believe instead that there's a lot of abundance here. I'm
in the process of writing a book and I'm like,
oh my god, I'm writing a book over the summer.
Oh I. But I'm like, how about I choose to
believe something a little different? What are the practical things
(25:26):
that I can change in my life? Could I get
up a little earlier so let the kids sleep in
a little later, Like, can I change some practical things
in my daily life that allow me to sort of
lend myself to what what I do want to believe,
which is I want to believe abundantly. I want to
believe that there's enough that I can have all the
things right. I want to believe that I can have
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this great summer with my kids, be a really great
present mom, and I can produce really amazing, abundant and prosperous,
prosperous things in my business that help millions of women
around the world. Yes, I can do it all, and
I'm going to figure out how. Right, So why say
all of that, Because meditation really is that tool that
helps us with that initial process of sort of like
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separating and identifying those limiting beliefs, those stories, those mindsets
that we have. The overwhelm, even the overwhelm. I'm gonna
tread lightly here because overwhelm is a very real thing.
I feel it. It is overstimulation, overwhelm. And it's easy
also to get caught up in the story that that's
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normal and that we're just always going to have it,
and that I'm always doing it and I always have
to run this fast, and that doesn't have to be
true either. So I'll give you this kind of real
life example. So yesterday was a Tuesday. My kids were
signed up for horse camp this week. Okay, they were
supposed to be at horse camp from nine am till
four pm. They went of horse camp. They don't want
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to go back, they don't love it. This was the
only camp that we have planned for the whole summer.
So on Tuesday, I'm saying, hey, we can't quit after
one day. You have to at least go today and
then we'll kind of reassess and we'll see how it goes.
We have property, okay, so we have animals, we have property.
As we're leaving to as we're leaving, I'm like gathering
(27:15):
things up, and I see coyote out the back chasing
my chickens, and I'm like, so that the next hour
was trying to find all the chickens. Sadly to say,
we can't find one, but all the rest of them
are okay. So that was interesting. Take the kids to
horse camp instead of just dropping them off. We're already late.
Instead of dropping them off and now I can adhere
(27:37):
to my schedule, I stay there for what turns out
to be another hour, so I can sort of get
them settled because they're not easy to settle in. On
that day, I get home and I immediately have to
re prioritize because I don't have the chunk of time
that I originally thought that I had for work. Right, reprioritize,
check chuck chack. Get the things done. Then I go
up to my mother in law's house, and my mother
(28:00):
in law, my father in law, and our family advocate
and caregiver for them all go to do estate planning
for my in laws. Right. It's an emotional meeting. There's
egos flying like this, a lot of lot. It's a
heavy meeting. I leave there. Meanwhile, I'm on the phone
with my husband who's like, has forgotten about gymnastics practice
(28:24):
and he has to go to and I'm trying to
remind and do all the things, and he's like, yeah,
but what about dinner?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And I'm like, oh, marble, do you know how many
thousands of details have gone into making this day work
the way it needs to work today and you are
just asking me about dinner.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Anyway. My point saying that is like I felt so charged,
I felt so fried, And that's a real feeling of overwhelming.
It is real. And I was reminded by the end
of the day because all I was doing I was
taking deep breaths on the way home. I wasn't listening
to anything I wasn't talking to people. I made quiet
(29:02):
and I just took deep breaths. On my way home,
I was looking out, I was noticing the sky, I
was noticing the water, I was noticing the rain, like
just bringing myself into presents, and I realized, Okay, I
can let this become part of the story that I'm
an overworked, overwhelmed, busy mompreneur.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I can choose to do that, or I can choose
to say today was hard and that's okay. What do
I need to kind of get me back to center
and what do I want to believe for the day,
for this next day. Right, So today I was out
with my chickens. I did my coffee out with my chickens,
and I just was in nature for like an hour
(29:43):
with my chickens, reminding myself what I'm grateful for, kind
of reassessing, you know, feet in the grass, grounding myself,
and just reassessing how I wanted the stay to be.
So we can't do that if we continue to sort
of like just assume take and kind of war that
story over and over again, you know what I mean.
(30:05):
So I guess all that to say that it's really
up to us at any given moment how we want
to step into our lives, and meditation becomes and aware
self awareness becomes the door to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I love that as an example, and I love especially
that like refocusing and realizing we have more choice than
we often feel like we do when we're caught up
in the busyness of life. And that question you said,
of what do I want to choose to believe? Because
I think we do have so much more choice than
we often feel like we do in a given moment
when life is happening and I'm going to go out
on a limb and wonder. I also found in your
bio and note that you had reversed your lifelong asthma naturally,
(30:40):
and I'm curious if any of this inner work was
related to that. And I ask only because I reverse hashimotoves,
which they also tell you is not reversible, and you're
told like you're going to be on medication forever. And
the funny part is I did. And I've talked about
this before. I did a lot of the physical stuff,
but I've been doing that for years and years, and
it wasn't until I addressed the emotional spiritual side in
(31:01):
or the inner work that things actually shifted. And for me,
it was learning to see myself well and say myself well,
and not say that I was sick, but to say
I was healing, not say my body was attacking itself,
say my body was working in my favor, things like that.
So I'm curious if you also have a story of
how this relates to your healing as well.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, for me, it all comes down to deep, deep
self awareness, deep self knowing, in belief and trust in
who i am as a soul and believing that I'm
whole and believing that I know what's best for me.
No one else knows what's best for me. And I
can be incredibly rebellious in this way, and I can
absolutely kick myself outside of the box because I refuse
(31:41):
to stay in that thing, you know, to an aggravating degree.
I'm sure to other people, but I don't care. It's
my life. And so, yeah, I have been asthmatic since
I was eighteen months old, and you know, at some
point in early junior high, like was on daily meds
for it, daily in healer's for it. Obviously it was
regulated because I was a big time athlete still am,
(32:03):
and so it was regulated. And then sixteen years ago
I met my husband, and my husband's a bird parrot guy,
and we got a parrot together. And a couple months
into us having a parrot, I realized, like I was
on a master's swim team at that point, and I
could not swim one lap like it. I could not
breathe like it felt it was. It was such torture
(32:25):
trying to breathe every single breath. No amount of inhalers
would help. And so I realized, oh my god, I'm
allergic to her. This is crazy. And you know, everything
I read was either get rid of your parent or
your you know, allergen pet or buy this ten thousand
dollars ear purified fire that may or may not work. Right.
So I was like, there's got to be another way,
(32:46):
and I ended up finding, you know, kind of going
down the rabbit hole of internet marketing back then, which
I'm so grateful for, because I found this incredible article
that basically was like, here's here is the combination of
supplements that you need in order to not only deal
with the symptoms of asthma, but actually will repair your
(33:06):
respiratory system over time. So it's this combination. It's a
specific combination of care sinin, which is a natural antihistamine
many of us might use it already for like seasonal allergies,
and then bromolane, which is the root of a pineapple plant. Right,
So the combination of these two things and a certain
amount of certain high dosage over time will do this.
So that's sort of the actual thing, right, Well, what
(33:29):
was what I did kind of in the holistic realm
is that, like, and I noticed a difference the next
day as I started taking these, like within twenty four hours,
I could notice a significant difference in the symptoms, like
I could breathe again. So but what I was actively
doing is I was actively meditating and doing like visualizations
(33:51):
of like my lungs opening up and staying open and
being whole and strong and clear. Like every day. I
would do that just you know, I don't want to
make it seem like a chore, because it wasn't. I
would just be like, oh, maybe like the five minutes
up right after I get up, or the five minutes
right before I go to bed, I would just do
this little visualization of like me breathing, my lungs opening
(34:14):
up my body working perfectly. You know, I would see
sort of like everything circulating beautifully, and I would see
myself sort of like being able to run for a
long distance, being able to swim for a long distance.
So that visualization really lent itself into like I am
whole and complete. My body knows how to take care
of itself, my body knows how to heal, and I'm
(34:36):
gonna trust that now, fast forward, And so it took
me that and the supplements. I was off of my
daily meds within I think a year, Like it took
me nine months to a year, and then another half
of a year to actually wean off of the supplements.
So like, I don't take anything now for what like
(34:57):
it's fourteen years now, fifteen years now, and so I
don't consider myself having asthma anymore. Now, fast forward. Last summer,
I did something very similar. I kind of had a
little bit of a breast cancer scare, Like I was
feeling sort of like some lumps in my breast and
you know, I'm forty six. And again this kind of
goes into it like this deep deep. I'm such an
(35:18):
advocate for deep self, knowing like no one knows me
better than me. No one knows my body better than me,
no one knows my mind better than me, no one
knows my soul better than me. So my doctor, thankfully
is I knows I'm super granola, knows that I will
always want a natural way of doing things first, knows
that I'm very much like, let's work on the mind first,
(35:40):
and you know, I really do believe that the body
will fall suit, you know, in some respects. To make
a very long story short, he recommended I go get
a mammogram, do all the things, and they basically said, hey,
you need to go get a biopsy, which was a
little terrifying, right, And so there was probably half a
(36:00):
day where I was just like letting myself live in terror, like,
oh my God, called up the insurance company, what do
I do if I have cancer? Like all that crap.
And then after that I was like, it's not really
how I'm going to approach this. That's that doesn't feel
right for me. Right, I'm going to approach this from
a state of I'm already whole and complete. What do
what is my mind need and what does my body
(36:20):
need to heal? And so I would just and this
is heavily influenced by doctor Joe Dispenza too. I was
kind of listening to some of his books at the time,
which is very much that concept, like if like we
can really like control our minds and visualize what we
want in our physical lives, will sort of step into that, right.
So I was just visualizing like a completely healed body practically,
(36:44):
though that doesn't mean I wasn't doing practical things practically speaking.
I gave up coffee, like the kind of the what
I now know is not very good coffee at the time,
and within forty eight hours, like my symptoms, like all
the heaviness and the density there and the pain there
was cut in half. So but I kept on visualizing,
(37:04):
like everything's healing, I'm good, I'm totally fine. And I
went in to get the biopsy and they have to
do a mammogram at first in order to triangulate what
the first mammogram found, and they couldn't find anything. So
I never had a biopsy, and I was like, I knew,
I already know, I already know what you're gonna tell me.
So I just believed wholeheartedly, like I'm healed, I'm fine,
(37:24):
my body's strong, my body knows how to heal itself,
and I just I unwaveringly believe that stuff, and I
think that that's very true to my personality. I just
unwaveringly believe what I want to believe, and we're all
allowed to do that. We don't have to live by
it any of the other rules, Like we can just
believe what we want to believe and therefore make it
(37:46):
all happen.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
You know, I fully agree with you, and I think
this is like it's so powerful and often underestimated, and
I would guess some people listening maybe doubting that this
is so powerful, and I think your wording is actually
very important, like unwaveringly we believe, Like I have a
friend who has that perfectly with even small things of
like she knows she will have a parking spot right
in front of wherever she's going every single time, and
(38:09):
she does every single time. But the extreme example on
the flip side of this would be there are many
documented medical cases where someone is given a terminal diagnosis,
they die when they're told they're going to die, and
then the autopsy reveals they didn't actually have whatever it was,
it was a misdiagnosis. But because they believe they were
going to die on a schedule they did, so that
to me illustrates the extreme other side of just how
(38:31):
powerful this is. But I think that like unwavering belief,
is really the key and applies to so many areas
of life. And if we're going to already have all
these inner thoughts every day, why not learn to make
them in our favor and to make them more positive
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love to hear from you about because we're both mom
entrepreneurs and something I think about often is kind of
what lessons do I hope my kids take away from
not just having me as a mom, but like me
being in the work that I do while being their mom,
and hopefully, like I think often of, like I know
they see me work a lot. I hope they often
also realize that like they are a priority and I'm
(40:42):
there with them a lot. I hope they feel my presence.
But I'm really curious for you, like, how do you
balance that and what do you hope your daughters take
away from seeing you as a working mom.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Oh man, that's a great question, you know, because historically
I sort of like compartmentalize work life and then for
a long time, actually they didn't really see me work,
and so I realize, like I'm kind of doing them
a disservice if I don't work a little bit in
front of them. So if they don't because they're like,
what does mommy do? Right? I talk about my work
(41:12):
a lot, and we listen to my meditations every single
night to put them to bed, so they know they
they I am very clear about like hey, mommy's going
in for an interview right now, or like I'm going
in I got a record meditations. They kind of will
walk in on me in my closet as I'm doing meditations.
Sometimes they don't know the full scope of all the stuff,
nor do they need to, but they see mom work
(41:36):
a little bit right enough to know that I do work,
enough to know that like I do, because I verbalize it,
I do important work that I love. And I'm very
I'm very quick to say like I do work I love,
like you get to you are allowed to do work
you love. So one of the big things that I
hope that they see is that. And because my husband's
(41:58):
an entrepreneur too, and so he very much is passion driven,
and they see both of us that way. So I
love that they're getting two examples of just humans following
their passions and it's not they They see the struggle,
like you know, they see it, They see the frustration.
They hear me and Daddy talking about some business stuff, right,
(42:21):
but they see and I think sometimes I'll sort of
bring the lesson home that, like, you're allowed to do
what you love, You're allowed to you know, we just
bought this property last year, and I remember talking to
my daughters about, like we got this because you know,
our companies do well and we earn money and we
do that by providing beautiful things and things that help people.
(42:43):
And you know, it's all you were having the money
conversations about what money is. It's this tool that for
exchange and you know, following what you love and all
this stuff can come. You just got to believe it.
So you know, they're I love that they see kind
of that whole, the whole garden of what work is,
(43:05):
because for us, it's not. It's not nine to five
and then we're done and they never see it, and
we complain about it. We don't. We've lived a very
different life than than many folks. And it's not to judge,
it's not. It's just to say, like, our life looks
very different. And so I love that they see that.
I love that they see a life where we have flexibility.
(43:26):
I love that they get to have us, you know.
I love that we're involved with their school. Like they
go to this really cool independent school that's very like
holistic and fun. Like I love that, like we're involved there.
I'm teaching meditation there. They have gardening going on there
that I'm that I'll participate in, and like, you know,
like I love that we're there and available for them.
And then they get to see the manifestation of what
(43:50):
it means to work and work hard and work passionately
about towards something that you really love. And I'm seeing
this already in my oldest one because we don't ask
the question like what do you to be when you
grow up? We don't. We don't do that, but we'll
just will help them lean into what their interests are.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
So, you know, my oldest daughter loves art. She's a
phenomenal artist, and we just like love on her with that.
So anytime we see her art, oh my gosh, this
is so good. You should try this and this and this.
And we've at least given her enough information for her
to know, like that she could go to art school
if she wanted to. She everyone take it more art classes,
(44:28):
like she could continue to follow that curiosity of art, right,
and then we'll talk what I said something to her.
She said something the other day. I think that they
have a conversation at school about like you could be
an artist when you grow up, right, And I kind
of said the thing, like, you know, babe, some people
might tell you that if you're an artist, you can't
make money. She looked at me very strangely, she's like,
(44:49):
I go, yeah, I go. But the truth is, like
I'm an artist. I'm a writer, you know, and I
make money and we're all artist. Like you're an artist,
make money with what you want to do. Like there's
a bazillion different ways to make the living and and
put beautiful things out in the world and be prosperous
as an artist. But the most important thing is that
(45:10):
you're doing it because you love it and you're happy
and brings you joy. So it like it's she sees us,
and then we have these conversations that sort of like
tie it all together. So I think that's my favorite
thing is that they see us in action and that
we have the freedom of schedule to be as as
(45:30):
active with them and as present with them as we
possibly can be. You know.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I love that. And it goes back to what you
said earlier too, about like that motherhood and work don't
have to be like these separate silos necessarily, Like they
can overlap beautifully, and they can both be priorities without
sacrificing from each other, and you can be so present
with both and them your daughters get to see that
kind of play out in your life. I'm also curious,
like what boundaries, routines, practical things do you have in
(45:55):
place to balance both, because I know you probably get
that question a lot. I certainly get that question a
lot of like how do you balance the work and
the kids and all the things.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, so let me make sure I'm following up with
this by saying that I don't this is not a
perfect thing, like it might sound all rainbows and unicorns,
but like it's it's messy. It's very messy. And I
call it my momrepreneur equation, which is sort of like,
you know, I really, I really believe, like I'm putting
my priorities and my values on my calendar so that
you want to talk about a practical thing. I put
(46:24):
them on my calendar so I know when I'm doing
work kind of what my start and stop times are
with work, what I'm working on for that day. I
try to be as efficient energetically and practically with the
work that I'm doing. When I'm doing the work, and
that never looks perfect, right, There's always wiggle room, things
(46:46):
always shift, and that's okay. But if I can have
like general template of like what a week looks like,
I really look at my life in like week long
segments and then you know, so it's just it's always
it's messy. And then with my kids, I love like
I love routine. I love Okay, every Tuesday we do this,
every Friday we do this, and that that's not real
life a lot, you know. So I sort of like
(47:08):
lean into that immediately, like, okay, do we do you know,
me and my husband do. We do date nights every
Saturday night, right, but you know, we've had seasons where
that kind of goes in and out and not make
sure that she and I are really strong amidst the
constant changing of life, you know. But for me, it
is primary most important for me to schedule alone time
(47:32):
with myself, and that is I have recognized the older
I get, I need a lot of alone time. I
need a lot of time. Some of that can be
reflective meditation time. Right now, that typically looks like I'm
waking up really you know, four thirty or five am,
and I'm just sort of giving myself a good half
an hour to an hour to not be productive, like
(47:54):
let me just sit with my coffee and I meditate.
Sometimes I feel really inspired to like write something really
quick and I kind of just let myself do what
I feel most called to do at that time. But
like there's no checking shut off of a list during
that time, you know, but that time is so important
for me, and I'll do that multiple times during the day.
You talked about getting outside and getting sunlight, like you know,
(48:16):
we have land here, so it is very easy and
important for me. Like if I ever feel sort of like,
oh my gosh, lots of stuff going on, I just
will easily like just walk outside, go look at the creek,
Go look at the chickens, go look, go walk around
a little bit, get outside, get in the sun. So
for me, it is definitely like knowing what my priorities are,
knowing what my values are in any given season, time
(48:38):
with my husband, time with myself, time to work out.
You know, how am I taking care of my mind,
my body, my soul first? How do I get that first?
And business is me working is a part of that
because what I do is incredibly soul fulfilling. I love
what I do and it's an expression of who I
am in this world, and so I have to make
(48:59):
time for that. So for me, I sort of like
schedule that it's shown up on my calendar, Like where
am I setting those times? What am I doing? And
how do I even if it all doesn't happen at
least I've sort of set a template for the week,
you know what I mean. And then you know, again,
it's really important for me to be present with my
girls and as they age. They're nine and six right now,
(49:20):
they're at a really fun age where they're sort of
like shifting into these kind of like girls slash women,
like young women, and so it's beautiful, Like how we
spend time together now is very different than what it
looked like, you know, two years ago. So it's less
caretaking and more like connecting. So we've just started and
(49:41):
again we're not perfect with this, but we've just started
doing like little like daddy daughter dates and I will
go on to a mommy daughter day and then the
following week we switch, you know, like having one on
one time with each of our girls, making sure they
feel seen and making sure that we're getting to know
who they are as they're they're growing and aging and
what's important to them. And so it's like the those
things like I try to see it and create this
(50:04):
template for my values on my calendar and then life
will change it and move it, but it'll give me
some sort of of a starting point.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I love that. And I know you have you mentioned
linked twenty podcast and you have so many resources available,
especially for the moms listening. Where is a good jumping
in point and starting point. I'll make sure I link
to all of it in the show notes too, of course.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah. Yeah, So we actually have a Meditation for Moms podcast.
It's one of my favorite. The graphic itself, the visual
itself is so beautiful. It's this woman with like this
rainbow colored hair. She's this really artistic, beautiful silhouette face
and then she's got like these rainbow hairs coming out.
It's just gorgeous. So it's called Meditation for Moms, and
(50:47):
they're humbly speaking. I deliberately put meditations on there and
create meditations that I really want to relate and hit
home with the moms in many types of moms, many
seasons of moms, many seasons of motherhood, so from a
brand new mom to like, you know, mom going through
empty nests. So that is a really great place to start.
(51:07):
Meditation for women are original. I love recommending that one
because I feel like it's a little bit of a
buffet style, like there's a little bit of everything there.
There's sort of like these really beautiful poetic ones that
I'm writing. There's sleep meditations on there, there's morning meditations
on there, there's affirmations on there, there's sounds on there.
So there's a little bit of everything. So it can
kind of like be a great place to start, and
(51:29):
you could be like, oh, I really like these morning meditations.
I'm gonna go listen to morning meditation for women. So yeah,
it's those two I think would be such a great
place to start. Women's Meditation Network dot com is sort
of our home where it's very easy to sort of
you know, browse around and get what you need or
whatever podcast player you're listening to. Now you can just
go type in Women's Meditation Network and you know, see
(51:50):
all of our shows there and just kind of like
start searching. It's meant to be a library, like a
giant library for you to just search through. I really
do my best to try and make the titles approachable
and easy, and like I literally have one called when
You're overstimulated and overwhelmed, like those are the titles of
my sessions because that's when we need it. That's when
(52:13):
I'm like, yes, I need that one, right, I need
to play that one. So yes, those are the places
to start.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I love it. Well, all of those will be linked
in the show notes. And I have so much enjoyed
getting to know you and this conversation and all that
you've shared. Thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Katie, Thank you so much. I'm so grateful. I really
really appreciate it. I'm so so proud of the work
that you do with mamas like it just I you know,
you talked about back in twenty fourteen about you know,
the message and the connection you really wanted to make.
You've obviously done that, and I just I love it,
like the more mamas that can get the resources and
(52:49):
feel connected that we need to feel and be seen
in this crazy Oh my gosh, ninety percent of what
we do is completely invisible. Like the fact that you
make that so visible and so relatable is so beautiful.
So just thank you for your work that you do.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh, thank you, and thanks to all of you for
listening and for sharing your most valuable resources, your time,
your energy, and your attention with us today. We're both
so grateful that you did, and I hope that you
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