July 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Episode Highlights With Dr. Jaban
- Why mold exposure is so common and yet still so unknown
- Mold is everywhere, but it's the amount and type of mold that matters in a home environment
- Common mold symptoms that many people miss and specific symptoms in kids
- The tests he runs to see if a person has mold exposure and home tests he uses
- Sodium and potassium levels as indicators of chronic stress or mold exposure
- Urine mycotoxin test for mold levels
- Genes that make someone more susceptible to mold damage
- The most common ways to support drainage pathways and support the body in healing
- Supplements he recommends to help support drainage protocols
- Limbic, somatic, and vagal nerve activities can help the body heal
- How he addresses the nervous system and “does physical therapy on the brain” to get the body ready to detox
- Where to start for dealing with mold, chronic infections, autoimmunity, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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I'm Katie from Wellnesslama dot com and this episode is
all about mold, the hidden threat and how to detox safely.
(04:04):
And I am here with doctor Jabin Moore, who is
an absolute joy to learn from. He has been through
his own story with lime and mold and recovered from
various other things as well. And at twenty five, he
went from being an award winning college athlete to not
being able to get out of bed. And when he
didn't get answers from doctors, he went on his own
search you was later diagnosed with lime and he overcame
(04:27):
that and then has now dedicated his life to helping
people uncover the causes of their symptoms. He specializes in lime,
pans and pandas, autism, parasitic infections, environmental toxicities, and mold
and I will link to his website. He and his
team run the Redefining Wellness Center and they see clients
worldwide virtually. And this episode we talk about a lot
(04:48):
of important nuance if you've had mold exposure and how
to know if you've had mold exposure and you don't
know it. So let's jump in with doctor Jabin Moore,
Doctor Javin, welcome back, Thanks for be.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Here, Thanks for having me. I'm excited. This is one
of my first podcasts I ever did.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Oh wow, and it's so fun to get to do
follow up. Browns are actually going to get to record
two episodes. See you guys, stay tuned for both. And
in the first one, I would love to dive deep
with you on a topic that I know you have
extensive knowledge on and that is likely affecting a lot
of people listening, even if they don't know it's affecting them,
and that is the topic of mold, mold exposure, toxicity, recovery.
(05:26):
There's so much that goes under that umbrella. I guess
to start broad kind of to determine that question of
is this affecting people listening even if they don't know.
Can you walk us through how someone can know if
they've had mold exposure and if it's affecting their health,
even if they don't know of visible mold in their home.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Absolutely, this is an extremely common topic, so much so
that even the EPA came out said about fifty to
seventy percent of homes have mold damage. The problem is
everybody says, well, isn't mold everywhere? The answers, yeah, it is.
It really truly isn't every single household. However, it's the
amount of mold, and it's the type of So if
you're dealing with things like your typical allergies, wheezing, skin rashing, itching,
(06:05):
those are the common mold symptoms that we all know
and talk about. The ones that are lesser known is
the fact that when mold gets in your body, it
slowly starts generating inflammation and the mouth belongs the throat,
so that's why that's the first part that most of
us understand. After that, we just think we're getting older
or life's hard, or we're tired, or whatever's going on.
(06:27):
But it starts getting into your mitochondria through every single
cell of your body, slowly decreasing your energy production, suppressing
your immune system, and allowing for things like brain fog, fatigue,
this fight or flight, overwhelmed, burnout type feeling that so
many people deal with. Depressionary anxiety is that gets into
your brain because when your brain is under attack, you
(06:49):
start having mental health struggles. So mold toxicity can generate
just a general overall feeling of worn out, beat down,
and that's what most of us miss is. Because we
move into a house. The house looks beautiful, it's clean.
Maybe somebody just built the house to brand new. Maybe
it's a new build apartment. Maybe it's an older house
(07:10):
from the nineteen hundreds, because it was a beautiful Victorian
that we rehabbed. But the mold wasn't removed from us,
So it doesn't really matter the age of the home.
Although newer maybe slightly safer on the mold topic, but
it doesn't mean that it is we move in. At first,
we think, oh, we're just stressed for moving in, and
(07:31):
then it starts to become that new normal of a
little bit more tired, a little bit more worn down,
and it's actually mold. And I see this all the
time with people that have moved. And that's one of
my biggest first questions for people when they come to
me and they have no other generating factor for symptoms
and they had no other major health event or you know,
they didn't have a trauma or something. I'm like, well,
(07:52):
did you move around the time that these symptoms started
building up? Well, the answer oftentimes is I moved three
months six months before, or I go to there was
there any hurricanes for those in Florida, or any sort
of major leaks into a home, and oftentimes people say, actually, yeah,
but I didn't really think about it. And then just
(08:13):
to touch on the other kind of knock on mold
as well, I live in this house and sort of
four other people. I've got a husband and two kids,
or a wife and two kids, and they're fine. Well,
first of all, kids exhibit sometimes differently, and we can
dive into that, but genetically speaking about twenty five percent
(08:34):
of the population has a genetic type called HLADR. This
is a hard gene, and this gene makes you more
vulnerable to toxins. So just because you live in a
house that looks clean doesn't mean that the hvac is
or behind the walls are Just because you live in
the house with other people and they're not sick doesn't
mean that you don't have a genetic type that is
even different a little bit than your kids that can
(08:55):
be making you sick. And it's because you don't have
the mainstream mole the symptoms. Doesn't mean that it's not
affecting you differently because you have a type of mold
that causes your body to say, have liver problems or
to have neurological issues, not necessarily the lung issues.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Got it. So it sounds like it's very nuanced, especially
when people are affected potentially so differently, and it can
be like a slow onset unlike certain like certain things
can be very acute and they're easy to pinpoint because
they happen very acutely. I would definitely want to get
more into the human element and the detoxing. But before
we get to that part, what do you recommend as
far as testing to find out if someone has mold
(09:34):
in their home and is it in most cases possible
to remediate or is this like a I mean you
said most homes actually have mold, so I would guess
this isn't like a keep moving till you find a
house with no mold situation, but being aware of your environment.
So how do you recommend people navigate that?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, so if you came into my clinic, and I
may we work with people around the world. If you
come in, we start off with body testing, so I
run blood work and organic acidurine test and inherita because
I want to look at the different types of tissue
from a person to get a lot of different information.
If you have some sort of autoimmunity, it immediately makes
me think your body is under a lot of stress.
So I'm going to be looking for something stressing you out.
(10:11):
Mold can be that thing. If you're dealing with a
lot of other random symptoms for current infections, again, I'm
going to be looking for what is allowing these things
to come back. So within those if you see elevated
liver markers, which is alt or ast, something's affecting liver
detox it can be mold. If you get in an
organic acid test, we have mitochondrial suppression oxolate issues. If
(10:34):
we have B two deficiency, methylation issues, whas can be
B twelve or FOL eight, all of these start to
signal back like something's really stressing the system. Mold is
my number one go to for that, although radioactive elements
in mercury can also be on that list. Those are
the things I'm going to be looking toward. If you
have a hair test done and you have really low
(10:56):
sodium and potassing, your body's probably been under stressed for
a significant link of time, and living in mold is
just just the perfect recipe for that because oftentimes, for
the majority of people, although there are people that get
knocked down very quickly and have that extreme initial response,
most people it's a slow onset of symptoms that develop
(11:18):
over time and you kind of just adapt to them.
So I run those tests to start, and when I
see those things, then it takes me to go running
a urine microtoxin test. So there are a lot of
companies out there that do this. Mosaic Laboratories is one
of my favorite ones to do this with, and we'll
run that test. When we do this, and it's on
our website if somebody wants to run it on themselves,
(11:40):
there's a little nuance to it because you're expecting to
pee out mold into your urine. But your body has
to be capable of doing detox So that's why I
run those other tests. First. I need to make sure
that your creating level and your urine samples are elevated
enough that I know your body's going to be doing
proper clearance of toxins. Make sure that you're sot of
(12:00):
in potassium is elevated enough that the movement in and
out of your cells of toxins and just in general
materials is properly happening, so that you're not just holding
onto all the toxins because your body is stuck in
this free state. So I run the first test, then
I go run the urine micotoxin tests when I know
your body will give us the right information. With that test,
(12:23):
you cannot be taking glutithion binders or anything else. Don't
do that. If you're doing that, you're gonna bind those
toxins that it's going to change their molecular weight, which
is then gonna make them negative. So we don't want
to do that, and then if that test comes back
positive when we have micotoxins, then from there, I'm gonna
go look at your home. And you asked, you know,
(12:44):
what test do we do in the home and is
it possible to remediate the toy. Answer is yes to both,
but we have to check your specific situation. So I
start off with a screening tool. Many people call it
a test that it is technically called the Ermi test.
It's Eermi test. But this test is really a screening,
and if it's done correctly, it can be a phenomenal screening.
(13:06):
And honestly, I find stuff that even really good mold
inspectors miss because I've tweaked this test a little bit
to fit my experience and I just love patterns, so
I've seen the pattern of how this works. So when
you run an Ermy test, it's a dust sample collection
test in your home, so you can do it on
your own. So it does decrease the screening cost. So
you take those swiffer and you just wipe down dust
(13:28):
out of your house. It's one per thousand square foot
of a home, is what I recommend to my clients.
I also recommend don't use any forced air areas, and
don't go into a bathroom or a kitchen because those
are where water is definitely going to have been. And
the forest are areas which are technically allowed through the
Army instructions, that means that air is moving through them faster.
So if you have a vent on your wall, if
(13:49):
you have a air filter that is sitting in a corner,
if you have a fan, don't go to those things
because that's going to have an increased amount of air
movement on it, which is going to cause potentially a
false positive. And that's where Ermie's gotten a bad name.
So if we can avoid some of these pitfalls of
the test, it actually gives me really good results, such
(14:09):
good results that I've had to have with a few clients.
An inspector, a building biologist, and then a mold dog.
All three come together to find the mold to remediate,
and in some extreme situations, I've had somebody who actually
remediated their house two times before me, one with me,
and then a fourth time and finally got all of
the mold out. And now that person went from I
(14:33):
can't be around any sense, so you walk past that
like bed bath and beyond, or a bath and body
works at the mall and they got a migraine. They
can't deal with taking supplements or medications because their body
is so stressed out. And once we got the house
dialed in and it was no longer threatening this person's health,
(14:53):
they tolerate all those things and they did remediate. Now,
the remediation truly comes down to what's the and what's
your budget. I've had people where it's a small problem
and they just cut out a little bit and it
was on their back deck and that was a big change,
and they were good. I've had people where they've had
to rip a whole side of a house off as
(15:14):
far as the interior feet rock because it was all
covered in black mold on the inside of the wall,
but the outside of the wall was perfectly clean and
no one would know it. I've had a situation where
a woman here in Kansas City, local to me, her
HVAC was growing mold. So they're now replacing that. So
was that six thousand dollars? Sure that's not cheap, but
(15:37):
it's definitely easier than moving. So remediation truly comes down
to where's the problem and what is the best outcome
for you. If you have that HLADR gene, if you
are MTHFR, which is forty percent of the population, if
you have COMT, or if we see in some of
your tests in your mitochondria are significantly suppressed, I'm going
(15:57):
to recommend kind of moving toward that higher threshold of perfectionism,
which I don't like doing, but making your house a
little bit more on the clean side. Whereas if you
don't have those things. I've had people where they got
it to just good enough so within reason. So on
an ermy test, that would be like in the rankings
(16:18):
or hurts me. So it hurts me two tests, which
is part of an ermy where you get to about
a six ranking through ri tissuemakers markers. And when I
work with clients, I kind of tell them that nuance
once we see how their body operates. Because some of
us are let's say six five, some of us are
five five. Well, genetically speaking, we have the same thing.
(16:38):
Some of us detox phenomenally. So that friend you had
in college that could drink a bottle of wine wake
up and not know it, versus that friend that drinks
one glass the next day they're like, oh, I'm paying
for that. That's what I'm talking about. On can you
tolerate mold well or not? We all have a different capacity.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That was so fascinating, and that was detail I didn't
know about, things like the sodium and potassium levels, the
creating in urine and what those can indicate. That's and
I definitely want to go deep on the detox pathways
and supporting the body through that. You also mentioned that
kids can exhibit symptoms differently, and since a lot of
people listening are parents, I would love to just touch
on what are some of the differences with children and
things to be aware of and watch out for.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, kids became a passion of mine, and I think
that might have been a little bit your fault. I
started having a bunch of a bunch of kids come
into my clinic because I had worked with an adult
who had line disease with my story and then he
asked me if I could help his kid, and he said,
he's autistic, can you help them? And I'm like, I
don't know a thing about autism. And I'm just so
bluntly honest with people when they ask me questions like that,
(17:39):
and He's like, well, what'd you do for me? And
I said, well, I worked on removing any stress that
the body has and allowing for it to work the
best it can. He said, can you do that for
my kid? Absolutely? We're like eleven years later now today
as I'm sitting talking to you, that child has graduated
high school, drives a car, it's gone to college. And
(18:00):
before they didn't think he would be able to ever
live on his own. So he's made some extreme changes.
It was really cool because I wasn't working with him
for a couple of years. He just made gains and
I walked into a Chipotle and there he is behind
the counter and I'm like, hey, how's it going. So
that was my beginning, and then I did a podcast
with you, and then I had a flood of kids,
(18:22):
and kids were coming in with ticks, so motor movement ticks,
verbal tics, throw clearing ticks. They were coming in with
adhdodd adhd. I mean, I can't even remember all the
different acronyms, pans and pandas, which is a inflammation that's
happening to the brain. And what I found was out
(18:44):
of all these kids coming with those somes with frequent
urination with fears that didn't necessarily make sense, Separation anxiety
from the parents, food restrictiveness not just like I want
those carbon sugar foods like most kids to do at
some point, but I will only eat certain foods. Oh Man,
(19:05):
what other things come from kids? They lose handwriting difficulty
in school. So a lot of these things can even
happen after the fact, Right, So your kids in school,
they're doing great, and then all these symptoms start happening,
So that's when you know something has changed. Ezema is
a really common one, even those digestive calicky type symptoms
(19:29):
and kids can be due to mold. And what I
was diving into with all these people coming in from
our first podcast even was they didn't know about mold.
I didn't have the time you even know about mold.
It was like a decade ago, and I was running labs.
And I kept running labs. Like I said earlier, I
love patterns, I love looking for solutions. And somebody said, well,
(19:52):
have you ever ran mold testing, And I'm like, not really,
I haven't found out to be a big problem. And
then parents were bringing mold in from other doctors, and
I started seeing a pattern. Kids that had these symptoms
also had positive mold tests. Fast forward to now, I
run these mold tests on almost all of these kids,
and like ninety eight percent of kids that have these
(20:14):
brain inflammatory issues, ninety eight percent test positive from mold.
And I'm like, holy crap, is adhd Odd frequent urination
is ticks? Even studies have shown touretts twenty five percent
of it is due to brain inflammation, and I think
(20:38):
it's a lot more than that. I think that this
brain inflammation conversation is just it was only discovered in
twenty twelve. We're thirteen years old now to even know
what to even be doing the testing or research on it.
So for me, kids can have a lot of symptoms
that adults could experience, but maybe we call them different things,
but it is really prevalent when they're in mold toxicity.
(21:01):
And that mold toxicity doesn't just have to come from
your home. It can come from grandma's house, church, they
can come from your car, and a ton of times
I've seen it come from schools because any building with
a flat roof is going through leak and it's a
high likelihood that it's going to leak and all of
our school buildings, for the most part, have flat roofs, So.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It seems like both in the identifying the problem and
in the recovery from mold toxicity, there's a lot of nuance,
and there's probably a huge personalization aspect, especially you mentioned
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detoxing from mold side of things and understanding drainage pathways
more and ways to support the body. Is there kind
of like a triage of order of things to do
(25:39):
to help not overwhelm the body. Because I have personal
friends who have been through mold and it seems like,
at least in the short term, the treatment made them
feel worse. Long term, they felt a lot better. But
are there ways to support the body very specifically, especially
the drainage pathways, to kind of have the gentlest route
through mold.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah. Absolutely, So it is very nuanced, it is vain,
very personalized. So you asked, is there an order? And
the answer is absolutely. And if you aren't finding somebody
that gives you your own personal order, then it can
be a rough ride getting through mold because your body
has and I mean I say your body, I mean
not the body as in like a general term. I
(26:18):
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it's got to go to get well. So, for instance,
I've kind of gone back and I've looked at what
do I do with clients that I've worked with, and
we've worked with ten thousand through our clinic, and what
I found was that there is a common path and
that common path is this, you have to open up
(26:40):
detox and drainage pathways, which is just going to be
you gotta poop daily. You got to be able to
move your bowels. You got to have the liver capable
of moving toxins out, and it can get coagulated junk. Basically,
it can get your bile and the toxins just backed
up in the bile ducts, in the pathways in the
gallbladder or it's not moving properly. And then beyond that
(27:03):
you can get parasites, bacteria, and fungal infections that stit
in your colon, liver and then up into the lymph,
which is the piece above that where you're not mobilizing
toxins out completely. So if you go to try and
move molds, metals, environmental toxins out, they can't get anywhere
and they just recirculate into your system. So I do
(27:24):
an analogy as I'm teaching this, and it's the analogy
of the city. We all, for the most part, probably
live in the city at some level. We all take
our trash out. We put it by the curb, the
trash shock comes and picks it up, takes it then
to a sorting facility, so it can either be recycled,
it can be put into a landfill. And the third
part of that is all the liquid we have goes
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out into water treatment plan, right, So that's your kidney's
your war treatment plane. Your sorting facility is your liver,
your roads is your lymph, and your cells putting stuff
out is going to be your mitochondria and your overall
cell to put stuff on the curb to go on
the lemph with the trash struck down the streets to
(28:09):
get to the sorting facilities to go into the landfill,
which is the toilet. So just think of your body
like this if that process is broken. So if you're
dealing with skin issues, swelling, heightness, achiness, if you have itchiness,
these are all signs that your lemph is backed up.
(28:31):
If you have estrogen dominance, if you have any sort
of liver issue whatsoever, fatty liver pain under your rib
cage on the right side, right below the ribs or
right at the top like at the edge of the
ribs there, that's going to be liver gall butter. All
of these are signs and symptoms that your detox and
your drainage is backed up. And then if you've ever
done a protocol, if you've done mold protocols, parasite protocols, metal, whatever,
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and you immediately feel more than twenty percent increase in symptoms,
not keeping up with your drainage and detox. So your
body's overwhelmed with too much stress because it can't keep up.
So first of all, you have to make sure that
your city, your body is working properly. And that can
mean doing a coffee in ema to open up your bowels.
(29:18):
That could be taking magnesium to make sure that you're pooping.
It can be doing cast or impacts over your liver,
or doing dry brushing for your length. It can be
doing vibration plates for your length. There's a lot of
tools that we can use. I also use internal supplements
in homeopathics, so I use Pekana as an internal homeopathic,
which is liver length and kidney support. I love using
(29:41):
homeopathics with kids because they're mostly tasteless, colorless, easy to
get in for parents. I use oral herbs if I'm
gonna be working with adults, such as a product from
self wor like drainage activator or lymph active. I use
kl support or even tudcin max, which are all different liver, kidney,
(30:02):
lemph support supplements to help those processes and pathways open up.
And the one that most people aren't talking about is
you have an immune system and that immune system needs regulated.
When you're living in mold, your immune system and your
nervous system, so your control mechanisms are going to be
stuck in fight flight or freeze, and many of us
(30:23):
get stuck in freeze where we're not moving stuff. So
we have to manage that immune and nervous system so
that it's giving the orders to your body to then
drain and detox. And if it's not giving the orders,
then you're also not moving. So as a part of
my drainage protocols, if we see reason to believe we
have immune dysregularity, we could be using queer sittin stinging
(30:46):
metal or bromolin which is usually in your antihistamine natural products.
We could be using homeopathics there like there's a Genexa
or a Boron company where they've made an allergy support homeopath.
I do with many of the people that come into
our clinic because we have medical doctors and many states
that we have on staff, and we might be using
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medications over the counter, whether that be Xertech or or Clerton.
We may even go beyond that and have to get
into a low dosinal trexone, chromolin or katataphin if people
are really needing that extra support because their body is
highly inflamed due to immune mediation problems. And I always
love to start fully natural, and I don't go to
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medication unless we have to, but if we need it,
we have access to those tools. I also get people
to do limbic somatic and vehicle nerve exercises to make
sure their body is getting out of that fight or
flight pattern as so many people get stuck in. And
if you've ever met anybody that's been through trauma or
been to war and they come back and they're just
(31:51):
always on the edge of their seat, that's where your
body gets sometimes when you've been through long term health struggles.
So we bring those tools of Olympic somatic and veigelener
of exercises to do physical therapy on your brain so
that we make sure you get out of that freeze state.
All of this is going to be unique to what
you bring to the table, so we'll tweak it based
(32:13):
off of what you need, and that's making sure that
your body's ready to go into mold detox. So I'll
just throw it back to you. Do you have any
questions on that before we get into like the actual
detox part.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, that was awesome. I made so many notes in
the specifics of that. I feel like I have not
heard all of those explained so clearly or in an
order like that. So that was super helpful.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Awesome, all right, So now we get into the meat
of It's like, okay, we've prepped your body. Now that
we've prepped your body, we've got to get into the
next piece, which is going to be the actual detox.
So when you get to mold detox, you've probably lived
in mold, so your body's been suppressed immune wise, So
that means that any organism of any kind that you've
(32:57):
come into contact with could have started to call an
as you that can conclude mold colonizing to your body,
which you can see sometimes in organic acid test. But
this is a little bit newer as far as the concept.
We're really just getting to the bottom of this, so
there's not a lot of great testing more signs for that.
You can have parasites candy to yeast bacteria, you can
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have viruses that are especially epstein bar You're gonna see
off the chart seventy percent of the time I am
starting with parasites because they're the largest organism that can
blockade your length liver in polon. They also can release
endo toxins that stop you from being able to go
to the bathroom fully. So sometimes my drain intersection includes
(33:38):
parasite work. Now it's going to be more gut oriented,
not full body or brain oriented, which is a different
piece of the puzzle. After I get through the parasites,
then we're going to go to bacteria. Make sure the
gut and the microbiome are elevated. Then we're going to
get into mold colonization and mold micotox into toxification and
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from their environmental talk AND's metals, and then viruses and
lastly Candida yeast. And the reason that I have that
order is one ten thousand people that we've seen and
then kind of just the common experience that works. Now
you may have a different part of this. You may
as a person need to start with candida first and
not last, because you've got yellow cradle cap on your head,
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or you've got like a fungal covering on your skin,
or you have all this fungus coming out on your nail.
So we know that we have to basically squish that
down a little bit, because it's not going to go
away until you get rid of the first parts, meaning
the things that are suppressing your immune system, because fungus
like candida can grow literally overnight and out of control,
(34:42):
because it grows really rapidly. An example that I saw
this and what really shifted my mindset on this was
I used to do something called brightfiel my Crossby. So
I'd take your blood, I put it on a little
slide in my office. I would put it under a
microscope and I look at it and I'm not always
he's the guy that's the best at keeping things clean,
(35:03):
you know. Sorry, So I did this, I walked away
from my microscope. I went and worked with my client.
I come back and I look at it's covered in candida,
and I was like, wait a minute. So when you
remove blood from the body, you remove the immune system function.
All of a sudden, Candida can just explode in thirty minutes. Huh.
So I went too, did some research. Sure enough, Candida
rapidly rapidly replicates. But for some people we have to
(35:25):
keep that under control to then be able to go
and get after some other things. But if you have
parasites or mold, you're going to have candida. It's just
that simple. So when I look at organic acid tests
and we see yeast, I'm like, okay, great, why is
it there? It's an effect of a bigger problem. The
same thing for epstein bar Ninety six percent of the
population has epstein Bar virus. It is a problem, But
(35:46):
what is allowing your immune system to not be able
to contain that? There's probably something bigger going on, and
then once we take care of that, we can come
down toward the end of the line and get to
these other things. So I gave you kind of my
seventy percent of the time direction as far as order,
and that's what I would do with a lot of people.
(36:07):
But it's going to be based off of your body
and what we're seeing with your labs and your symptoms,
and honestly, what you want to see happen. First. I
can't say that I can always just go, oh, you
want to stop being tired. I'm going to just fix
that first. Now, oftentimes it's you're tired because all of
these things are eating away at your energy. I give
(36:28):
an analogy of a backpack. A lot of people use
toxic bucket or these other things. But for me as
a verbal conversation with you, and for people just to imagine,
imagine putting your backpack on. We've all done this, We've
all gone to school at our backpack and pull one
book in it. We're fine, you can go run. It's
not going to stop you. It's going to bounce my
be all annoying. Now ten books, each one of those
(36:51):
books being one being this parasite and another being that bacteria,
the other being another mold, and then metal, and then
viruses and the yeast. And as those books stack up,
now put life on it. I've got kids that keep
me up or are sick. I've got a husband that
requires this. I've got a job that i'm working at.
I've got mold in my house. All of these are
(37:12):
the books in your backpack or the weight that are
holding you down. Eventually, you put enough books in there,
you're not going to live life. Well, you might not
even be able to stand up. So that's why for
people when they come in, I'm like, we've got to
empty that backpack. It's going to be one step at
a time, little by little, And just like you, if
you have a backpack with one hundred books, and I
take one out, you didn't feel big change. But if
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I take fifty out, you have a big change. We
just go down that order of operations based on all
the information we've gathered, one by one by one, and
sometimes we can go faster. It depends on your body,
and as the backpack becomes lighter, you become lighter.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That's such a great metaphor, And you gave such a
great detailed explanation of how all these things can overlap
and how seemingly. The good news is that when we
have that full picture and we understand that, we can
shift the body from a negative feedback loop where it's
dealing with all of those things, to probably relatively quickly,
a positive feedback loop because some similar things address a
lot of the underlying causes that might be going on.
(38:12):
And I love that you look at the whole picture
of that rather than just one area in isolation. And
I would guess that's one of the reasons for your
tremendous success with the people that you work with. I
would guess a lot of people listening might have a
ton of food for thought. It might be wondering if
they have some of these underlying things going on in
their health. But I know you work with people and
also you have a tremendous amount of resources. So if
(38:33):
someone is resonating with all the things you've said and
once to get started, where would you recommend as a
starting point for them and where can they find you
to work with you or learn from you?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, just look me up. My name Dr Period, Jabin
Jaba and more. Mr e I've got Instagram, Facebook, website,
We're getting a YouTube and TikTok going. Because part of
my mission is just to give people informed consent, meaning
inform them about health so that they can make decisions
(39:03):
for themselves. Because when I was going through my health journey,
one of the biggest things was I didn't know what
I was even looking for. When I had lime and mold,
I didn't even know where to go. So my mission
is to just put information out there to educate people
so that they can then make decisions for themselves.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Amazing. Well, I will link to all of those in
the show notes, and you guys listening, stay tuned. We're
going to get to record another episode about pans and pandas,
which is something I have not ever gone super deep
on this podcast about but for this episode. Thank you
so much for your time. I feel like we covered
tremendous ground in a half an hour and I learned
a lot, and I'm so grateful for the work that
you do and for you for being here today.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Thanks for having me, and.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
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all about mold, the hidden threat and how to detox safely.
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And I am here with doctor Jabin Moore, who is
an absolute joy to learn from. He has been through
his own story with lime and mold and recovered from
various other things as well. And at twenty five, he
went from being an award winning college athlete to not
being able to get out of bed. And when he
didn't get answers from doctors, he went on his own
search you was later diagnosed with lime and he overcame
(04:27):
that and then has now dedicated his life to helping
people uncover the causes of their symptoms. He specializes in lime,
pans and pandas, autism, parasitic infections, environmental toxicities, and mold
and I will link to his website. He and his
team run the Redefining Wellness Center and they see clients
worldwide virtually. And this episode we talk about a lot
(04:48):
of important nuance if you've had mold exposure and how
to know if you've had mold exposure and you don't
know it. So let's jump in with doctor Jabin Moore,
Doctor Javin, welcome back, Thanks for be.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Here, Thanks for having me. I'm excited. This is one
of my first podcasts I ever did.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Oh wow, and it's so fun to get to do
follow up. Browns are actually going to get to record
two episodes. See you guys, stay tuned for both. And
in the first one, I would love to dive deep
with you on a topic that I know you have
extensive knowledge on and that is likely affecting a lot
of people listening, even if they don't know it's affecting them,
and that is the topic of mold, mold exposure, toxicity, recovery.
(05:26):
There's so much that goes under that umbrella. I guess
to start broad kind of to determine that question of
is this affecting people listening even if they don't know.
Can you walk us through how someone can know if
they've had mold exposure and if it's affecting their health,
even if they don't know of visible mold in their home.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Absolutely, this is an extremely common topic, so much so
that even the EPA came out said about fifty to
seventy percent of homes have mold damage. The problem is
everybody says, well, isn't mold everywhere? The answers, yeah, it is.
It really truly isn't every single household. However, it's the
amount of mold, and it's the type of So if
you're dealing with things like your typical allergies, wheezing, skin rashing, itching,
(06:05):
those are the common mold symptoms that we all know
and talk about. The ones that are lesser known is
the fact that when mold gets in your body, it
slowly starts generating inflammation and the mouth belongs the throat,
so that's why that's the first part that most of
us understand. After that, we just think we're getting older
or life's hard, or we're tired, or whatever's going on.
(06:27):
But it starts getting into your mitochondria through every single
cell of your body, slowly decreasing your energy production, suppressing
your immune system, and allowing for things like brain fog, fatigue,
this fight or flight, overwhelmed, burnout type feeling that so
many people deal with. Depressionary anxiety is that gets into
your brain because when your brain is under attack, you
(06:49):
start having mental health struggles. So mold toxicity can generate
just a general overall feeling of worn out, beat down,
and that's what most of us miss is. Because we
move into a house. The house looks beautiful, it's clean.
Maybe somebody just built the house to brand new. Maybe
it's a new build apartment. Maybe it's an older house
(07:10):
from the nineteen hundreds, because it was a beautiful Victorian
that we rehabbed. But the mold wasn't removed from us,
So it doesn't really matter the age of the home.
Although newer maybe slightly safer on the mold topic, but
it doesn't mean that it is we move in. At first,
we think, oh, we're just stressed for moving in, and
(07:31):
then it starts to become that new normal of a
little bit more tired, a little bit more worn down,
and it's actually mold. And I see this all the
time with people that have moved. And that's one of
my biggest first questions for people when they come to
me and they have no other generating factor for symptoms
and they had no other major health event or you know,
they didn't have a trauma or something. I'm like, well,
(07:52):
did you move around the time that these symptoms started
building up? Well, the answer oftentimes is I moved three
months six months before, or I go to there was
there any hurricanes for those in Florida, or any sort
of major leaks into a home, and oftentimes people say, actually, yeah,
but I didn't really think about it. And then just
(08:13):
to touch on the other kind of knock on mold
as well, I live in this house and sort of
four other people. I've got a husband and two kids,
or a wife and two kids, and they're fine. Well,
first of all, kids exhibit sometimes differently, and we can
dive into that, but genetically speaking about twenty five percent
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of the population has a genetic type called HLADR. This
is a hard gene, and this gene makes you more
vulnerable to toxins. So just because you live in a
house that looks clean doesn't mean that the hvac is
or behind the walls are Just because you live in
the house with other people and they're not sick doesn't
mean that you don't have a genetic type that is
even different a little bit than your kids that can
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be making you sick. And it's because you don't have
the mainstream mole the symptoms. Doesn't mean that it's not
affecting you differently because you have a type of mold
that causes your body to say, have liver problems or
to have neurological issues, not necessarily the lung issues.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Got it. So it sounds like it's very nuanced, especially
when people are affected potentially so differently, and it can
be like a slow onset unlike certain like certain things
can be very acute and they're easy to pinpoint because
they happen very acutely. I would definitely want to get
more into the human element and the detoxing. But before
we get to that part, what do you recommend as
far as testing to find out if someone has mold
(09:34):
in their home and is it in most cases possible
to remediate or is this like a I mean you
said most homes actually have mold, so I would guess
this isn't like a keep moving till you find a
house with no mold situation, but being aware of your environment.
So how do you recommend people navigate that?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, so if you came into my clinic, and I
may we work with people around the world. If you
come in, we start off with body testing, so I
run blood work and organic acidurine test and inherita because
I want to look at the different types of tissue
from a person to get a lot of different information.
If you have some sort of autoimmunity, it immediately makes
me think your body is under a lot of stress.
So I'm going to be looking for something stressing you out.
(10:11):
Mold can be that thing. If you're dealing with a
lot of other random symptoms for current infections, again, I'm
going to be looking for what is allowing these things
to come back. So within those if you see elevated
liver markers, which is alt or ast, something's affecting liver
detox it can be mold. If you get in an
organic acid test, we have mitochondrial suppression oxolate issues. If
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we have B two deficiency, methylation issues, whas can be
B twelve or FOL eight, all of these start to
signal back like something's really stressing the system. Mold is
my number one go to for that, although radioactive elements
in mercury can also be on that list. Those are
the things I'm going to be looking toward. If you
have a hair test done and you have really low
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sodium and potassing, your body's probably been under stressed for
a significant link of time, and living in mold is
just just the perfect recipe for that because oftentimes, for
the majority of people, although there are people that get
knocked down very quickly and have that extreme initial response,
most people it's a slow onset of symptoms that develop
(11:18):
over time and you kind of just adapt to them.
So I run those tests to start, and when I
see those things, then it takes me to go running
a urine microtoxin test. So there are a lot of
companies out there that do this. Mosaic Laboratories is one
of my favorite ones to do this with, and we'll
run that test. When we do this, and it's on
our website if somebody wants to run it on themselves,
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there's a little nuance to it because you're expecting to
pee out mold into your urine. But your body has
to be capable of doing detox So that's why I
run those other tests. First. I need to make sure
that your creating level and your urine samples are elevated
enough that I know your body's going to be doing
proper clearance of toxins. Make sure that you're sot of
(12:00):
in potassium is elevated enough that the movement in and
out of your cells of toxins and just in general
materials is properly happening, so that you're not just holding
onto all the toxins because your body is stuck in
this free state. So I run the first test, then
I go run the urine micotoxin tests when I know
your body will give us the right information. With that test,
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you cannot be taking glutithion binders or anything else. Don't
do that. If you're doing that, you're gonna bind those
toxins that it's going to change their molecular weight, which
is then gonna make them negative. So we don't want
to do that, and then if that test comes back
positive when we have micotoxins, then from there, I'm gonna
go look at your home. And you asked, you know,
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what test do we do in the home and is
it possible to remediate the toy. Answer is yes to both,
but we have to check your specific situation. So I
start off with a screening tool. Many people call it
a test that it is technically called the Ermi test.
It's Eermi test. But this test is really a screening,
and if it's done correctly, it can be a phenomenal screening.
(13:06):
And honestly, I find stuff that even really good mold
inspectors miss because I've tweaked this test a little bit
to fit my experience and I just love patterns, so
I've seen the pattern of how this works. So when
you run an Ermy test, it's a dust sample collection
test in your home, so you can do it on
your own. So it does decrease the screening cost. So
you take those swiffer and you just wipe down dust
(13:28):
out of your house. It's one per thousand square foot
of a home, is what I recommend to my clients.
I also recommend don't use any forced air areas, and
don't go into a bathroom or a kitchen because those
are where water is definitely going to have been. And
the forest are areas which are technically allowed through the
Army instructions, that means that air is moving through them faster.
So if you have a vent on your wall, if
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you have a air filter that is sitting in a corner,
if you have a fan, don't go to those things
because that's going to have an increased amount of air
movement on it, which is going to cause potentially a
false positive. And that's where Ermie's gotten a bad name.
So if we can avoid some of these pitfalls of
the test, it actually gives me really good results, such
(14:09):
good results that I've had to have with a few clients.
An inspector, a building biologist, and then a mold dog.
All three come together to find the mold to remediate,
and in some extreme situations, I've had somebody who actually
remediated their house two times before me, one with me,
and then a fourth time and finally got all of
the mold out. And now that person went from I
(14:33):
can't be around any sense, so you walk past that
like bed bath and beyond, or a bath and body
works at the mall and they got a migraine. They
can't deal with taking supplements or medications because their body
is so stressed out. And once we got the house
dialed in and it was no longer threatening this person's health,
(14:53):
they tolerate all those things and they did remediate. Now,
the remediation truly comes down to what's the and what's
your budget. I've had people where it's a small problem
and they just cut out a little bit and it
was on their back deck and that was a big change,
and they were good. I've had people where they've had
to rip a whole side of a house off as
(15:14):
far as the interior feet rock because it was all
covered in black mold on the inside of the wall,
but the outside of the wall was perfectly clean and
no one would know it. I've had a situation where
a woman here in Kansas City, local to me, her
HVAC was growing mold. So they're now replacing that. So
was that six thousand dollars? Sure that's not cheap, but
(15:37):
it's definitely easier than moving. So remediation truly comes down
to where's the problem and what is the best outcome
for you. If you have that HLADR gene, if you
are MTHFR, which is forty percent of the population, if
you have COMT, or if we see in some of
your tests in your mitochondria are significantly suppressed, I'm going
(15:57):
to recommend kind of moving toward that higher threshold of perfectionism,
which I don't like doing, but making your house a
little bit more on the clean side. Whereas if you
don't have those things. I've had people where they got
it to just good enough so within reason. So on
an ermy test, that would be like in the rankings
(16:18):
or hurts me. So it hurts me two tests, which
is part of an ermy where you get to about
a six ranking through ri tissuemakers markers. And when I
work with clients, I kind of tell them that nuance
once we see how their body operates. Because some of
us are let's say six five, some of us are
five five. Well, genetically speaking, we have the same thing.
(16:38):
Some of us detox phenomenally. So that friend you had
in college that could drink a bottle of wine wake
up and not know it, versus that friend that drinks
one glass the next day they're like, oh, I'm paying
for that. That's what I'm talking about. On can you
tolerate mold well or not? We all have a different capacity.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That was so fascinating, and that was detail I didn't
know about, things like the sodium and potassium levels, the
creating in urine and what those can indicate. That's and
I definitely want to go deep on the detox pathways
and supporting the body through that. You also mentioned that
kids can exhibit symptoms differently, and since a lot of
people listening are parents, I would love to just touch
on what are some of the differences with children and
things to be aware of and watch out for.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, kids became a passion of mine, and I think
that might have been a little bit your fault. I
started having a bunch of a bunch of kids come
into my clinic because I had worked with an adult
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asked me if I could help his kid, and he said,
he's autistic, can you help them? And I'm like, I
don't know a thing about autism. And I'm just so
bluntly honest with people when they ask me questions like that,
(17:39):
and He's like, well, what'd you do for me? And
I said, well, I worked on removing any stress that
the body has and allowing for it to work the
best it can. He said, can you do that for
my kid? Absolutely? We're like eleven years later now today
as I'm sitting talking to you, that child has graduated
high school, drives a car, it's gone to college. And
(18:00):
before they didn't think he would be able to ever
live on his own. So he's made some extreme changes.
It was really cool because I wasn't working with him
for a couple of years. He just made gains and
I walked into a Chipotle and there he is behind
the counter and I'm like, hey, how's it going. So
that was my beginning, and then I did a podcast
with you, and then I had a flood of kids,
(18:22):
and kids were coming in with ticks, so motor movement ticks,
verbal tics, throw clearing ticks. They were coming in with
adhdodd adhd. I mean, I can't even remember all the
different acronyms, pans and pandas, which is a inflammation that's
happening to the brain. And what I found was out
(18:44):
of all these kids coming with those somes with frequent
urination with fears that didn't necessarily make sense, Separation anxiety
from the parents, food restrictiveness not just like I want
those carbon sugar foods like most kids to do at
some point, but I will only eat certain foods. Oh Man,
(19:05):
what other things come from kids? They lose handwriting difficulty
in school. So a lot of these things can even
happen after the fact, Right, So your kids in school,
they're doing great, and then all these symptoms start happening,
So that's when you know something has changed. Ezema is
a really common one, even those digestive calicky type symptoms
(19:29):
and kids can be due to mold. And what I
was diving into with all these people coming in from
our first podcast even was they didn't know about mold.
I didn't have the time you even know about mold.
It was like a decade ago, and I was running labs.
And I kept running labs. Like I said earlier, I
love patterns, I love looking for solutions. And somebody said, well,
(19:52):
have you ever ran mold testing, And I'm like, not really,
I haven't found out to be a big problem. And
then parents were bringing mold in from other doctors, and
I started seeing a pattern. Kids that had these symptoms
also had positive mold tests. Fast forward to now, I
run these mold tests on almost all of these kids,
and like ninety eight percent of kids that have these
(20:14):
brain inflammatory issues, ninety eight percent test positive from mold.
And I'm like, holy crap, is adhd Odd frequent urination
is ticks? Even studies have shown touretts twenty five percent
of it is due to brain inflammation, and I think
(20:38):
it's a lot more than that. I think that this
brain inflammation conversation is just it was only discovered in
twenty twelve. We're thirteen years old now to even know
what to even be doing the testing or research on it.
So for me, kids can have a lot of symptoms
that adults could experience, but maybe we call them different things,
but it is really prevalent when they're in mold toxicity.
(21:01):
And that mold toxicity doesn't just have to come from
your home. It can come from grandma's house, church, they
can come from your car, and a ton of times
I've seen it come from schools because any building with
a flat roof is going through leak and it's a
high likelihood that it's going to leak and all of
our school buildings, for the most part, have flat roofs, So.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
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in the recovery from mold toxicity, there's a lot of nuance,
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more and ways to support the body. Is there kind
of like a triage of order of things to do
(25:39):
to help not overwhelm the body. Because I have personal
friends who have been through mold and it seems like,
at least in the short term, the treatment made them
feel worse. Long term, they felt a lot better. But
are there ways to support the body very specifically, especially
the drainage pathways, to kind of have the gentlest route
through mold.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah. Absolutely, So it is very nuanced, it is vain,
very personalized. So you asked, is there an order? And
the answer is absolutely. And if you aren't finding somebody
that gives you your own personal order, then it can
be a rough ride getting through mold because your body
has and I mean I say your body, I mean
not the body as in like a general term. I
(26:18):
mean your specific human body has a specific path that
it's got to go to get well. So, for instance,
I've kind of gone back and I've looked at what
do I do with clients that I've worked with, and
we've worked with ten thousand through our clinic, and what
I found was that there is a common path and
that common path is this, you have to open up
(26:40):
detox and drainage pathways, which is just going to be
you gotta poop daily. You got to be able to
move your bowels. You got to have the liver capable
of moving toxins out, and it can get coagulated junk. Basically,
it can get your bile and the toxins just backed
up in the bile ducts, in the pathways in the
gallbladder or it's not moving properly. And then beyond that
(27:03):
you can get parasites, bacteria, and fungal infections that stit
in your colon, liver and then up into the lymph,
which is the piece above that where you're not mobilizing
toxins out completely. So if you go to try and
move molds, metals, environmental toxins out, they can't get anywhere
and they just recirculate into your system. So I do
(27:24):
an analogy as I'm teaching this, and it's the analogy
of the city. We all, for the most part, probably
live in the city at some level. We all take
our trash out. We put it by the curb, the
trash shock comes and picks it up, takes it then
to a sorting facility, so it can either be recycled,
it can be put into a landfill. And the third
part of that is all the liquid we have goes
(27:47):
out into water treatment plan, right, So that's your kidney's
your war treatment plane. Your sorting facility is your liver,
your roads is your lymph, and your cells putting stuff
out is going to be your mitochondria and your overall
cell to put stuff on the curb to go on
the lemph with the trash struck down the streets to
(28:09):
get to the sorting facilities to go into the landfill,
which is the toilet. So just think of your body
like this if that process is broken. So if you're
dealing with skin issues, swelling, heightness, achiness, if you have itchiness,
these are all signs that your lemph is backed up.
(28:31):
If you have estrogen dominance, if you have any sort
of liver issue whatsoever, fatty liver pain under your rib
cage on the right side, right below the ribs or
right at the top like at the edge of the
ribs there, that's going to be liver gall butter. All
of these are signs and symptoms that your detox and
your drainage is backed up. And then if you've ever
done a protocol, if you've done mold protocols, parasite protocols, metal, whatever,
(28:55):
and you immediately feel more than twenty percent increase in symptoms,
not keeping up with your drainage and detox. So your
body's overwhelmed with too much stress because it can't keep up.
So first of all, you have to make sure that
your city, your body is working properly. And that can
mean doing a coffee in ema to open up your bowels.
(29:18):
That could be taking magnesium to make sure that you're pooping.
It can be doing cast or impacts over your liver,
or doing dry brushing for your length. It can be
doing vibration plates for your length. There's a lot of
tools that we can use. I also use internal supplements
in homeopathics, so I use Pekana as an internal homeopathic,
which is liver length and kidney support. I love using
(29:41):
homeopathics with kids because they're mostly tasteless, colorless, easy to
get in for parents. I use oral herbs if I'm
gonna be working with adults, such as a product from
self wor like drainage activator or lymph active. I use
kl support or even tudcin max, which are all different liver, kidney,
(30:02):
lemph support supplements to help those processes and pathways open up.
And the one that most people aren't talking about is
you have an immune system and that immune system needs regulated.
When you're living in mold, your immune system and your
nervous system, so your control mechanisms are going to be
stuck in fight flight or freeze, and many of us
(30:23):
get stuck in freeze where we're not moving stuff. So
we have to manage that immune and nervous system so
that it's giving the orders to your body to then
drain and detox. And if it's not giving the orders,
then you're also not moving. So as a part of
my drainage protocols, if we see reason to believe we
have immune dysregularity, we could be using queer sittin stinging
(30:46):
metal or bromolin which is usually in your antihistamine natural products.
We could be using homeopathics there like there's a Genexa
or a Boron company where they've made an allergy support homeopath.
I do with many of the people that come into
our clinic because we have medical doctors and many states
that we have on staff, and we might be using
(31:10):
medications over the counter, whether that be Xertech or or Clerton.
We may even go beyond that and have to get
into a low dosinal trexone, chromolin or katataphin if people
are really needing that extra support because their body is
highly inflamed due to immune mediation problems. And I always
love to start fully natural, and I don't go to
(31:30):
medication unless we have to, but if we need it,
we have access to those tools. I also get people
to do limbic somatic and vehicle nerve exercises to make
sure their body is getting out of that fight or
flight pattern as so many people get stuck in. And
if you've ever met anybody that's been through trauma or
been to war and they come back and they're just
(31:51):
always on the edge of their seat, that's where your
body gets sometimes when you've been through long term health struggles.
So we bring those tools of Olympic somatic and veigelener
of exercises to do physical therapy on your brain so
that we make sure you get out of that freeze state.
All of this is going to be unique to what
you bring to the table, so we'll tweak it based
(32:13):
off of what you need, and that's making sure that
your body's ready to go into mold detox. So I'll
just throw it back to you. Do you have any
questions on that before we get into like the actual
detox part.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, that was awesome. I made so many notes in
the specifics of that. I feel like I have not
heard all of those explained so clearly or in an
order like that. So that was super helpful.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Awesome, all right, So now we get into the meat
of It's like, okay, we've prepped your body. Now that
we've prepped your body, we've got to get into the
next piece, which is going to be the actual detox.
So when you get to mold detox, you've probably lived
in mold, so your body's been suppressed immune wise, So
that means that any organism of any kind that you've
(32:57):
come into contact with could have started to call an
as you that can conclude mold colonizing to your body,
which you can see sometimes in organic acid test. But
this is a little bit newer as far as the concept.
We're really just getting to the bottom of this, so
there's not a lot of great testing more signs for that.
You can have parasites candy to yeast bacteria, you can
(33:17):
have viruses that are especially epstein bar You're gonna see
off the chart seventy percent of the time I am
starting with parasites because they're the largest organism that can
blockade your length liver in polon. They also can release
endo toxins that stop you from being able to go
to the bathroom fully. So sometimes my drain intersection includes
(33:38):
parasite work. Now it's going to be more gut oriented,
not full body or brain oriented, which is a different
piece of the puzzle. After I get through the parasites,
then we're going to go to bacteria. Make sure the
gut and the microbiome are elevated. Then we're going to
get into mold colonization and mold micotox into toxification and
(33:58):
from their environmental talk AND's metals, and then viruses and
lastly Candida yeast. And the reason that I have that
order is one ten thousand people that we've seen and
then kind of just the common experience that works. Now
you may have a different part of this. You may
as a person need to start with candida first and
not last, because you've got yellow cradle cap on your head,
(34:21):
or you've got like a fungal covering on your skin,
or you have all this fungus coming out on your nail.
So we know that we have to basically squish that
down a little bit, because it's not going to go
away until you get rid of the first parts, meaning
the things that are suppressing your immune system, because fungus
like candida can grow literally overnight and out of control,
(34:42):
because it grows really rapidly. An example that I saw
this and what really shifted my mindset on this was
I used to do something called brightfiel my Crossby. So
I'd take your blood, I put it on a little
slide in my office. I would put it under a
microscope and I look at it and I'm not always
he's the guy that's the best at keeping things clean,
(35:03):
you know. Sorry, So I did this, I walked away
from my microscope. I went and worked with my client.
I come back and I look at it's covered in candida,
and I was like, wait a minute. So when you
remove blood from the body, you remove the immune system function.
All of a sudden, Candida can just explode in thirty minutes. Huh.
So I went too, did some research. Sure enough, Candida
rapidly rapidly replicates. But for some people we have to
(35:25):
keep that under control to then be able to go
and get after some other things. But if you have
parasites or mold, you're going to have candida. It's just
that simple. So when I look at organic acid tests
and we see yeast, I'm like, okay, great, why is
it there? It's an effect of a bigger problem. The
same thing for epstein bar Ninety six percent of the
population has epstein Bar virus. It is a problem, But
(35:46):
what is allowing your immune system to not be able
to contain that? There's probably something bigger going on, and
then once we take care of that, we can come
down toward the end of the line and get to
these other things. So I gave you kind of my
seventy percent of the time direction as far as order,
and that's what I would do with a lot of people.
(36:07):
But it's going to be based off of your body
and what we're seeing with your labs and your symptoms,
and honestly, what you want to see happen. First. I
can't say that I can always just go, oh, you
want to stop being tired. I'm going to just fix
that first. Now, oftentimes it's you're tired because all of
these things are eating away at your energy. I give
(36:28):
an analogy of a backpack. A lot of people use
toxic bucket or these other things. But for me as
a verbal conversation with you, and for people just to imagine,
imagine putting your backpack on. We've all done this, We've
all gone to school at our backpack and pull one
book in it. We're fine, you can go run. It's
not going to stop you. It's going to bounce my
be all annoying. Now ten books, each one of those
(36:51):
books being one being this parasite and another being that bacteria,
the other being another mold, and then metal, and then
viruses and the yeast. And as those books stack up,
now put life on it. I've got kids that keep
me up or are sick. I've got a husband that
requires this. I've got a job that i'm working at.
I've got mold in my house. All of these are
(37:12):
the books in your backpack or the weight that are
holding you down. Eventually, you put enough books in there,
you're not going to live life. Well, you might not
even be able to stand up. So that's why for
people when they come in, I'm like, we've got to
empty that backpack. It's going to be one step at
a time, little by little, And just like you, if
you have a backpack with one hundred books, and I
take one out, you didn't feel big change. But if
(37:34):
I take fifty out, you have a big change. We
just go down that order of operations based on all
the information we've gathered, one by one by one, and
sometimes we can go faster. It depends on your body,
and as the backpack becomes lighter, you become lighter.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That's such a great metaphor, And you gave such a
great detailed explanation of how all these things can overlap
and how seemingly. The good news is that when we
have that full picture and we understand that, we can
shift the body from a negative feedback loop where it's
dealing with all of those things, to probably relatively quickly,
a positive feedback loop because some similar things address a
lot of the underlying causes that might be going on.
(38:12):
And I love that you look at the whole picture
of that rather than just one area in isolation. And
I would guess that's one of the reasons for your
tremendous success with the people that you work with. I
would guess a lot of people listening might have a
ton of food for thought. It might be wondering if
they have some of these underlying things going on in
their health. But I know you work with people and
also you have a tremendous amount of resources. So if
(38:33):
someone is resonating with all the things you've said and
once to get started, where would you recommend as a
starting point for them and where can they find you
to work with you or learn from you?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, just look me up. My name Dr Period, Jabin
Jaba and more. Mr e I've got Instagram, Facebook, website,
We're getting a YouTube and TikTok going. Because part of
my mission is just to give people informed consent, meaning
inform them about health so that they can make decisions
(39:03):
for themselves. Because when I was going through my health journey,
one of the biggest things was I didn't know what
I was even looking for. When I had lime and mold,
I didn't even know where to go. So my mission
is to just put information out there to educate people
so that they can then make decisions for themselves.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Amazing. Well, I will link to all of those in
the show notes, and you guys listening, stay tuned. We're
going to get to record another episode about pans and pandas,
which is something I have not ever gone super deep
on this podcast about but for this episode. Thank you
so much for your time. I feel like we covered
tremendous ground in a half an hour and I learned
a lot, and I'm so grateful for the work that
you do and for you for being here today.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Thanks for having me, and.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Thank you as always for listening, and I hope you
will join me again on the next episode of the
Wellness Mama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews, would you
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could benefit from the information. I really appreciate your time
(40:04):
and thanks as always for listening.
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