September 30, 2025 • 30 mins
Episode Highlights With Carolyn
- Why symptoms are messengers and gifts and how to listen to them
- Common reasons people go to doctors: fatigue, sleep issues, etc., and what they indicate
- How these ions support our 45 miles of nerves and hundreds of muscles
- What stabilized ions of minerals are and how they trigger healing enzymes
- We all know minerals are important, but not how to optimally support balance
- Linus Pauling: Mineral deficiencies are the basis of chronic disease
- Vitamin D needs magnesium to activate
- ReMyte Mineral Solution use code wellnessmama for a discount
- All Completement Formulas from RnA ReSet - use code wellnessmama for a discount
- Dr. Carolyn Dean's website
- Dr. Carolyn's books
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I'm Katie
from Wellnessmama dot com and I am back for round
two with doctor Carolyn Deane to talk about stabilized ions
of minerals, what those are, how they trigger healing enzymes
in the body that repair and protect the body in
various ways, the problems will we don't get all of
the minerals that we need, or only get certain ones
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out of balance, and how that can actually deplete others,
how these ionic forms work differently within the body, and
so much more. And doctor Carolyndine is absolutely incredible. She's
a wealth of knowledge with over thirty five years of
experience as an MD and a nature path and the
author of literally dozens of books on all of these topics,
including the book The Magnesium Miracle, among others. I will
(00:42):
link to some of those in the show notes, but
I always learn so much from her, even on her website.
It was a true joy to learn from her in
person today. I know that you will learn a lot too,
So let's jump in. Carolyn, welcome back. Thank you for
being here again.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh thank you, Katie. It's a pleasure, really is well.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
If you guys missed it, I will link to our
first episode together all about magnesium, which, as you know,
is one of my favorite topics for a very long time.
The doctor Carolyn gave such practical and helpful advice and
understanding around that topic, and in this episode, I'm excited
to delve even deeper into understanding what stabilized ions and
minerals are and how they can be really uniquely supportive
(01:21):
for so many aspects of our health. And I feel
like the perfect bridge between our last episode where we
ended talking about the end of one study of self
that we all get to undertake, is to briefly touch
on your stance when it comes to symptoms, because I
feel like we're very aligned here. I've heard you say
that symptoms are not your enemy, they're your body's like
communication and a way of asking for help, and that
(01:42):
there are kind of some specific steps we can understand
when we listen to our symptoms that can help us
learn what to do. And I've said this as well.
I think symptoms are messengers, they're gifts, They're tremendously valuable
data and direct communication from our body. So I would
love to start with that as a bridge and maybe
touch on some of the symptoms you most commonly see,
what they might what insight they might give us about
(02:02):
what's going on inside our bodies.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I think quote patients go to doctors most often
for fatigue, I'm run down, And so then there's reasons
for the fatigue. I'm run down, I'm working too hard,
I don't sleep, I'm stressed from a divorce, or someone
(02:27):
in the family just died. So there's this fatigue that
people have. But if then you say something like and
it's making me anxious or not sleeping, then that gives
the doctor their cue to give you a drug, because
that's where the seven minute HM all doctor's appointments have
(02:50):
gotten to the doctor's waiting for some queue to give
you a drug. And if you give too much information,
they'll say, well, let's deal with this this little constellation
of two or three symptoms first and then come back
for the rest. So the doctors never put all your
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symptoms together in one bucket, because if I'm talking about
magnesium deficiency, I'm talking about you know, your scalp being
served because your muscles are tight, having eye twitching, choking
on things, which can be just the esophageal muscles in spasm.
You could have neck tension, and we're all on our computers,
(03:33):
so you know, we have to learn to drop the
shoulders anyway. You have heidel hernia symptoms or heartburn and reflux,
which can be a spasming of your diframatic muscles ibs.
You can have leg cramps, you can have Charlie horses.
Any of your six hundred and forty muscles can be tense,
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any of your forty five miles of nerves can be irritated.
Because the way magnesium works with the nerves and muscles
is it opens up the little gateway to allow a
bit of calcium to get into your cell to create
the action potential the muscle movement or the nerve signaling,
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and then magnesium opens up the cell again and the
calcium comes out. If you don't have magnesium to do
that function, apparently the celf kind of stay open or
floppy and calcium just just rides in there and starts
over exciting your nerves and your muscles. And we know that.
(04:44):
I mean, how many times have we just felt sort
of shaky and twitchy. That's magnesium deficiency. So we've got
to look at you know, as you say the symptoms
in the complete sense. We have to have someone who's
able to look at you head to toe instead of oh,
you've got migraines, Off you go to a neurologist. You've
(05:08):
got a muscle problem. Where do you go? I mean
sports medicine, who knows? But every part you've got higher palpitations, cardiologists,
you've got asthma where your bronchial lined by muscles are
in spasm. You go to a respirologist, so they break
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your body up and you end up on ten different
drugs for symptoms that all could be magnesium deficiency. So
that's the dilemma we're at right now, where modern medicine
is run by corporations that are looking to make money
off the maximum testing they can do and the maximum
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amount of drugs they can give you, not giving you
any advice about lifestyle or diet to keep you healthy,
because the unheald healthy you are, the more you come
in for appointments where the corporation makes money. And that
is one hundred percent true. Back in two thousand and five,
Kti I wrote the book Death by Modern Medicine and
(06:16):
everything I said there and I've updated it a couple
of times. Everything I said they're talking about now in MAGA,
the food dies and the drugs and the adulterated food.
It's been known for decades, and some of us have
been talking about it, and nobody's been listening, and we've
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been kind of brainwashed to think that, well, if my
doctor thought this food or drug or experience was bad,
they would tell me. No, they haven't been trained to
tell you, and they don't have time to tell you. Yeah,
that's such a good point.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I feel like, even at a surface level, if we
reframe the idea of symptoms and get curious about them,
we can understand that, for instance, we don't have a
headache because we have a motrin deficiency. There's an underlying
reason we have a headache. Even if the motrin temporarily
takes away the headache, it's still an opportunity to learn
where did that come from in the first place, and
how can I best support my body in order to
not have a headache in the future. And I say
(07:14):
a lot on this podcast that at the end of
the day, we are each our own primary health care provider,
and I think the best outcomes happen when we can
walk alongside a really educated practitioner who can help with
the nuance that we may not understand while remaining in
the driver's seat, because we are the ones who make
the daily decisions that cumulatively create our experience of health
or not. And I'd love to get a deeper understanding
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from you of the concept of what stabilized ions and
minerals are, because I feel like that might be a
new concept for some people and how that relates to
triggering healing enzymes in the body. You talked in the
first episode about magnesium being related to so many enzomatic
reactions and also talked about how there's other synergistic minerals
as well. But can you walk us through the difference
of these stabilized ions and that kind of cascade that's
(07:59):
happening in the body when we understand that and support the.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Body right right? Thank you for that question, Because stabilized
ions of minerals is it's new information, it's new signs.
It is something that no other company has and I
fortunately had enough of a problem that I had to
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research and find someone. I found a chemist who could
stabilize ions to make them the magnesium, especially non laxatives.
So this is this is new information and it's not
getting out there. I've done some studies, but can I
afford a million dollars to market the study information. It's
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very difficult. But anyway, I'm not griping. I'm very grateful
for the people that are working with these stabilized ions.
What happens in the mineral world is is we all
know minerals are important. How many books have we seen that.
(09:04):
I think even line us Palling with his focus on
vitamin C he said that mineral deficiencies are the basis
of chronic disease, and on and on ego. There are
so many researchers and practitioners. Yeah, minerals are very important.
But what we used to get mineral wise with the
(09:27):
high mineral waters. They talk about the long lived societies
that people who live to be centurians, is that how
over one hundred and they live in areas where they
have fresh water supply, usually coming from the mountains after
(09:48):
the winter melt. You know, all this water comes tumbling down,
scraping against the rocks, creating water that actually can look
milky from all the minerals. It was high minerals. There's
a lot of dynamics in that type of fluid, I
could even say homeopathic. You know, it's all shaken up,
(10:11):
so they there maybe and this is me just speculating.
H two L has a one hundred and twenty degree
to I think that one hundred and twenty two degree
bond and in that little space of the angle change,
it can create some sort of bonding with either in
(10:31):
a homeopathic way or maybe minerals. Maybe this type of water,
they haven't studied it enough. Maybe that's the structured water
they're talking about making. So when we stopped getting our
water from the mountains and the streams that would go
to the oceans, when we blocked off those rivers and
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dammed them up so we could make farmland, we stopped
getting minerals, and then we put so many toxins in
the water supply. You can test water from anywhere in
the world and find toxins. You can find drugs, you
can find heavy metals, you can find poisons. So we're
filtering water. We're filtering water at the municipal site, and
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we're filtering water at our own tabs. We're drinking bottled water,
and if you look at the back of the label,
it's often distilled water so that it's just h two
ozho and no minerals. And where are we getting our minerals?
One of the first things that I say to customers,
and I used to say to patients, get some good
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sea salt, some sea salt that has some color in it.
It's got seventy two minerals. Your body needs those minerals,
and you have to drink enough water as well to
make your cells work. So I say, take your body
weight in pounds, divide that in half, and then that
half amount is that there we are drinking? Is that water?
(12:03):
We're drinking half our body weight and no, yeah, half
our body weight water. So if I'm one hundred and ten,
then I'm drinking fifty five ounces of water day with
a quarter teaspoon of sea salt in every liter, I'm
up to a little bit more than that. And that
I mean, that's not even the RDA of the sodium
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that we've require to support our adrenal glands. Even we
need sodium. People are having low blood pressure and fainting
and whatnot. They're dehydrated and they don't have enough salt.
You put all these elderly people on diuretics that drain
their blood so that they have less volumes, so that
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there's less blood pressure. They're dehydrated, and they're falling over
and breaking their hips, and then the side effects of
all that. So with minerals we're very deficient. And at
this point, yes, we could take dirt minerals like the
sea salt is a dirt mineral, or we can take
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a calcium chloride, but a calcium, especially a calcium carbonate,
may be only four percent absorbed. And where does the
rest of that calcium go. It deposits in soft tissues.
Calcium is constipating. It doesn't give you the laxative effect
like magnesium if you take quote too much. So calcium
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is the enemy these days. And if you don't have
enough magnesium to solubilize calcium in the bloodstream, then it
will deposit in soft tissues. You've got heel spurs, kidney stones, gallstones,
you've got the athrosclerosis, the athrosclerosis or arteriosclerosis, the cholesterol,
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calcium plaques. That it's a huge myth that calcium is
the problem here. Well, sidebar. Here what happens with arteries
is when they make a bifurcation and go smaller. Here's
your big artery, and then it goes smaller. In this
little v it can tear a little bit if you
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don't have enough vitamin C to make collagen, and if
you don't have enough magnesium to make elastin. So you
get this little tear and the body says, oh, oh, oh,
let's put some cholesterol over that tear as a band
aid until we get some more vitamin C to heal
up that tear. But if you've got a lot of
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calcium in the bloodstream, which we will have because of
our diet, because of fortified calcium foods, because women are
being forced to take calcium if they're over forty, they're
taking twice and three times as much as the number
they require, but in a comp unform that deposits on
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this bit of cholesterol band aid to eventually make a
big plaque and cause all the athrospleritic problems. So back
to minerals. Minerals don't just work on their own either.
There there's what's called the mineral wheel. You can look
that up and you'll see little arrows between this mineral
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and that mineral. If you have too much calcium, you
push back your magnesium for example, and then the vitamins
come into play. We talked about vitamin D a little
bit in our first episode. Vitamin D needs magnesium in
order to become activated. Now how crazy is that. So
(15:48):
we've got vitamin D and everybody's well, oh, yeah, we
need vitamin D. It's a vitamin and it acts like
a hormone pro hormone, and it's so important. And the
COVID years taught us that people with low vitamin D
were more susceptible to getting infection. We know, we know,
we know, but then the studies are so equivocal because
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they never look at the magnesium levels and the people
they're testing, so they will never get the proper conclusion
because they don't know the interactivity, and that is it's
ramp and throat nutritional medicine. I was on the board
of the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine back in the
(16:32):
whatever nineties. I guess when I was in New York
doing AIDS research and they were going more and more medical.
They were taking funds from or Naturopathic College was taking
funds from drug companies to study one aspect of a
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certain herb to see if it was like a drug.
They are looking for drug like solutions in natchopathic medicine,
so with minerals, they will never really test a mineral
in its family of minerals. In the first episode, I
talked about the nine minerals that are necessary to make
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thyroid hormones and all of them if they are in
their picometer size and I say piicometer because that expresses
how tiny these are are. One of our studies out
of Purdue University, we ran our or they the researchers
scientists ran our liquid magnesium, ran a laser through it.
(17:39):
It's called a nanosizer. They wanted to find the size
of any particulate matter in our liquid magnesium. There are
no particles because the ions are below the particle size.
They're below that range. So that meant that's that is
(18:00):
a bottle of our liquid magnesium that had been sitting
for months that was still in a stable state that
it had no particulate matter. You take that in your
body and those ions of magnesium go straight into the cells.
So we're dealing with a problem where we don't have
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minerals in our water anymore, which is where we used
to get them, and then that water that water irrigated
the fields and put the minerals into our food. So
since the water doesn't have minerals, the food doesn't have
the minerals that we require. Then we have to give
back the minerals. So the other the aspect of food.
(18:44):
I again in the first episode, I talked about all
my resources go toward an organic farm here in Maui
because I wanted to see can I eat off the farm?
Can we make it so that people will get their nutrition?
And it is food, the best of medicine. And I'm
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not able to eat entirely off the farm. I get
my heart palpitations back because there's not enough magnesium in
the soil. We could dump app some salts and tons
of minerals on the soil, but we really can't afford it.
And at this point, with the many stresses that burn
off magnesium and other minerals, then we have to take
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dietary supplements. And my conclusion from being at this for
fifty years is that we have to supplement with the
best absorbed nutrients picometer sized minerals, food based vitamins, non
fish algae omega threes instead of using toxic fish liver
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that has to be refined with all kinds of some
processes that we don't even know what we're getting when
we're taking fish oil, omega threes. So all these things
I've kind of put together in what I think is
the best way for people to build their organic bodies.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And I'll link to a lot of the things we're
talking about, as well as so many educational resources you
have around all of this in the show notes for
anybody listening on the go, Doctor Carlin has so much
information available, And it seems to me such a shame that,
like you talked about, if anything, women are just told
to take calcium, which you made a very strong case
might be the least productive one to take, and if
it doesn't work, they're told to just take more calcium,
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without understanding the interplay and the synergy amongst all of
these minerals and how important they are. And I think,
especially when we consider the body as an electric organism
like the ions and the electrical communication within ourselves is
such a beautiful harmony and a delicate balance, and that
explains also why water alone might not be the most
optimally hydrating, why we actually need this full range of minerals.
(21:01):
So the body can both biochemically and electrically and in
all the ways communicate most effectively. And like I said,
I know you have so many more resources available on
this and books on all these topics I will link to.
But any last thoughts you want to make sure people
really understand when it comes to this mineral balance and
ionic minerals and how we can best support our body.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Maybe I'll go to the calcium issue, Katie, because in
my age group, all the women are being told to
get Dexa scans the X right has to see how
dense your bones are. And actually I'm doing a lecture
on that here in Maui. And when I talk about
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my lecture, all the women say, oh, yeah, I just
have my bone density tests and it's low and oh
my gosh, and this and that, and they want me
to say this drug. It's a serious problem because these
deets are scans and I'm not gonna have one. I
just do all the things I know to strengthen my
bones and my muscles, because it's the muscles that hold
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you together and keep your balance and all the rest
of it. With the Dextera scan, do you know what
they're comparing you to a thirty year old female bone structure.
So they're imagining that in your sixties and seventies, where
you have some wear and tear, where things are going
to be different. They are saying to these women that, oh,
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your bones aren't strong, You're at at risk. You're at
risk for falling and breaking something. And what does that do?
It scares people. It makes them trepidation for even walking.
Oh what if I trip? And so I'm very concerned
about that because they're pushing testing as a way of
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making money, and they're pushing a test that will allow
them to force to force you to take a drug.
When the drugs for keeping your bones dnse Fosomax, for example,
you take that and it kills your osteoclasts. Your osteoblasts
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make bone. That's great. Osteoclasts model the bone into the
right lattice work that is dense and strong. When you
kill your osteoclasts and stop the remodeling of your bone,
you make willy nilly slapdab calcium on your bones that
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is brittle. It is so bad with these drugs that
dentists will not do implants or much of any dental
surgery on women who are taking fozzomax because their jawbones
are deteriorating, and the thigh bone gets the worst of it.
So when you fall, you're breaking your thigh bone at
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the at the top. It's just horrendous what's going on
in the in bone bone deterioration, commercialization, it's like a
new industry. So I'm really concerned about that calcium itself.
If women take calcium supplements at the twelve hundred and
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fifteen hundred milligrams that are being recommended, instead of getting
six hundred milligrams from the diet, which you can do
with dairy, green leafies, nuts and seeds, or take a
picometer stabilized iron of calcium. I finally made one. I
was so avoiding calcium because I try not to take calcium.
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But when I got off dairy, I said, okay, then
I have to have something available for myself. So with calcium.
Doctor Boland in New Zealand, he did over half a
dozen studies and found that women just simply taking calcium
supplements are at a higher risk for heart disease because
of the calcium that they're depositing in their arteries. Like
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I talked about before, Now that's scary that is really scary.
The World Health Organization and in the UK, their RDA
for calcium is five hundred to seven hundred milligrams, so
that's where I came at. Just go for six hundred milligrams.
So the calcium story is very important. And as our
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population of mothers here, as you get older, you are
going to be told, oh, take more calcium, but the
balance is to take magnesium. That helps keep your bones.
Kind of elash dick. It does so much for your
bone's soft tissue structure. When they burn bone, to say, well,
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let's find out what the minerals are and bones so
we can give them back. When they burn bone, they
just see mostly calcium because magnesium burns off. So they
never thought that magnesium was important, but it is vital
for the soft tissue. I had a horrendous fall. It's
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a year ago now, and I didn't break this elbow.
I kind of restructured it and my arm was well.
When I had the fall, my arm blew up to
the size of one of my legs and I didn't
I couldn't really work it for about three weeks and
it went to a noodle. And when I got back
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to my normal exercise. I walked two hours a day
and I carry a three pound weight and just one
of them, and I built up this muscle from a noodle.
You can build your muscles if you work them. And
it's your muscles that keep your bones in place. I
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wish I could find a better way of saying that,
but the bones and muscles work together. You can take
and this was done. I haven't been able to find
the study since I read it. Decades ago. A photographer
went down to South America took pictures of all these
young women with the jars on their heads, walking up
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and down the hills and handies. And she went back
thirty years later and was able to find some of
these women and took I said, pictures, but she took scans,
bone density scans, and she scanned them later they were
still carrying their loads, and they were still healthy and strong,
but their bones were less dense, but their muscles stayed strong.
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So she said this we all agree. Common sense is
that if you keep your muscles strong and you keep
your body balanced, even to the point, and I'm talking
to an older audience here, just to finish up, when
you're putting on your socks and shoes and underwear and pants.
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Stand in the middle of the room on one foot
and put them on. Do not be leaning up against things.
You have to keep your balance because when you're walking
along and you trip, you want your other leg to
keep you stable. You don't want to trip and fall
right over because you have no balance. So that's my
final thought there, Katie. What I'm doing is I'm giving
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you my talk for that I'm going to do later tonight.
So I just did it. Oh amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
We got a preview well, and it makes sense to
me because if you think about like a piece of
chalk that is entirely calcium and it breaks very easily,
and I can understand your concerns with DEXA. I will
gladly be the guinea pig for the data perspective of this,
so I have access to a dexas, so I do
it occasionally just for like to see what I'm doing
and if it's changing, especially muscle mass, because I'm trying
to increase muscle. And what I've noticed is my bone
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density is actually multiple standard deviations above what the reference point,
which is the average thirty year old. I take zero calcium,
I get lots of sunshine. I take lots of magnesium
and minerals, I eat a lot of protein, I lift weights,
and I sprint and I've seen my bone density go
up in my thirties, which they tell you it will
go down in your thirties. So I love all this
information you have because I feel like it puts us
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in the driver's seat of being able to create change
and not accept these things that were told as statistics
as we get older. And I know you have literally
volumes of work, like dozens of books that you have written.
I'll link to all of those because I know you
are an absolute wealth of knowledge, and hopefully we get
to do more episodes in the future because I could
learn endlessly from you. But for today's episode, thank you
so much for all that you've shared. This has been incredible.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh, thank you, Katie. I appreciate it, no mistay, and
what else mahalo oh.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I love it, And thank you as always for listening
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and your attention with us today. We're both so grateful
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Hello, and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I'm Katie
from Wellnessmama dot com and I am back for round
two with doctor Carolyn Deane to talk about stabilized ions
of minerals, what those are, how they trigger healing enzymes
in the body that repair and protect the body in
various ways, the problems will we don't get all of
the minerals that we need, or only get certain ones
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out of balance, and how that can actually deplete others,
how these ionic forms work differently within the body, and
so much more. And doctor Carolyndine is absolutely incredible. She's
a wealth of knowledge with over thirty five years of
experience as an MD and a nature path and the
author of literally dozens of books on all of these topics,
including the book The Magnesium Miracle, among others. I will
(00:42):
link to some of those in the show notes, but
I always learn so much from her, even on her website.
It was a true joy to learn from her in
person today. I know that you will learn a lot too,
So let's jump in. Carolyn, welcome back. Thank you for
being here again.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh thank you, Katie. It's a pleasure, really is well.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
If you guys missed it, I will link to our
first episode together all about magnesium, which, as you know,
is one of my favorite topics for a very long time.
The doctor Carolyn gave such practical and helpful advice and
understanding around that topic, and in this episode, I'm excited
to delve even deeper into understanding what stabilized ions and
minerals are and how they can be really uniquely supportive
(01:21):
for so many aspects of our health. And I feel
like the perfect bridge between our last episode where we
ended talking about the end of one study of self
that we all get to undertake, is to briefly touch
on your stance when it comes to symptoms, because I
feel like we're very aligned here. I've heard you say
that symptoms are not your enemy, they're your body's like
communication and a way of asking for help, and that
(01:42):
there are kind of some specific steps we can understand
when we listen to our symptoms that can help us
learn what to do. And I've said this as well.
I think symptoms are messengers, they're gifts, They're tremendously valuable
data and direct communication from our body. So I would
love to start with that as a bridge and maybe
touch on some of the symptoms you most commonly see,
what they might what insight they might give us about
(02:02):
what's going on inside our bodies.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I think quote patients go to doctors most often
for fatigue, I'm run down, And so then there's reasons
for the fatigue. I'm run down, I'm working too hard,
I don't sleep, I'm stressed from a divorce, or someone
(02:27):
in the family just died. So there's this fatigue that
people have. But if then you say something like and
it's making me anxious or not sleeping, then that gives
the doctor their cue to give you a drug, because
that's where the seven minute HM all doctor's appointments have
(02:50):
gotten to the doctor's waiting for some queue to give
you a drug. And if you give too much information,
they'll say, well, let's deal with this this little constellation
of two or three symptoms first and then come back
for the rest. So the doctors never put all your
(03:10):
symptoms together in one bucket, because if I'm talking about
magnesium deficiency, I'm talking about you know, your scalp being
served because your muscles are tight, having eye twitching, choking
on things, which can be just the esophageal muscles in spasm.
You could have neck tension, and we're all on our computers,
(03:33):
so you know, we have to learn to drop the
shoulders anyway. You have heidel hernia symptoms or heartburn and reflux,
which can be a spasming of your diframatic muscles ibs.
You can have leg cramps, you can have Charlie horses.
Any of your six hundred and forty muscles can be tense,
(03:56):
any of your forty five miles of nerves can be irritated.
Because the way magnesium works with the nerves and muscles
is it opens up the little gateway to allow a
bit of calcium to get into your cell to create
the action potential the muscle movement or the nerve signaling,
(04:20):
and then magnesium opens up the cell again and the
calcium comes out. If you don't have magnesium to do
that function, apparently the celf kind of stay open or
floppy and calcium just just rides in there and starts
over exciting your nerves and your muscles. And we know that.
(04:44):
I mean, how many times have we just felt sort
of shaky and twitchy. That's magnesium deficiency. So we've got
to look at you know, as you say the symptoms
in the complete sense. We have to have someone who's
able to look at you head to toe instead of oh,
you've got migraines, Off you go to a neurologist. You've
(05:08):
got a muscle problem. Where do you go? I mean
sports medicine, who knows? But every part you've got higher palpitations, cardiologists,
you've got asthma where your bronchial lined by muscles are
in spasm. You go to a respirologist, so they break
(05:28):
your body up and you end up on ten different
drugs for symptoms that all could be magnesium deficiency. So
that's the dilemma we're at right now, where modern medicine
is run by corporations that are looking to make money
off the maximum testing they can do and the maximum
(05:52):
amount of drugs they can give you, not giving you
any advice about lifestyle or diet to keep you healthy,
because the unheald healthy you are, the more you come
in for appointments where the corporation makes money. And that
is one hundred percent true. Back in two thousand and five,
Kti I wrote the book Death by Modern Medicine and
(06:16):
everything I said there and I've updated it a couple
of times. Everything I said they're talking about now in MAGA,
the food dies and the drugs and the adulterated food.
It's been known for decades, and some of us have
been talking about it, and nobody's been listening, and we've
(06:38):
been kind of brainwashed to think that, well, if my
doctor thought this food or drug or experience was bad,
they would tell me. No, they haven't been trained to
tell you, and they don't have time to tell you. Yeah,
that's such a good point.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I feel like, even at a surface level, if we
reframe the idea of symptoms and get curious about them,
we can understand that, for instance, we don't have a
headache because we have a motrin deficiency. There's an underlying
reason we have a headache. Even if the motrin temporarily
takes away the headache, it's still an opportunity to learn
where did that come from in the first place, and
how can I best support my body in order to
not have a headache in the future. And I say
(07:14):
a lot on this podcast that at the end of
the day, we are each our own primary health care provider,
and I think the best outcomes happen when we can
walk alongside a really educated practitioner who can help with
the nuance that we may not understand while remaining in
the driver's seat, because we are the ones who make
the daily decisions that cumulatively create our experience of health
or not. And I'd love to get a deeper understanding
(07:36):
from you of the concept of what stabilized ions and
minerals are, because I feel like that might be a
new concept for some people and how that relates to
triggering healing enzymes in the body. You talked in the
first episode about magnesium being related to so many enzomatic
reactions and also talked about how there's other synergistic minerals
as well. But can you walk us through the difference
of these stabilized ions and that kind of cascade that's
(07:59):
happening in the body when we understand that and support the.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Body right right? Thank you for that question, Because stabilized
ions of minerals is it's new information, it's new signs.
It is something that no other company has and I
fortunately had enough of a problem that I had to
(08:22):
research and find someone. I found a chemist who could
stabilize ions to make them the magnesium, especially non laxatives.
So this is this is new information and it's not
getting out there. I've done some studies, but can I
afford a million dollars to market the study information. It's
(08:43):
very difficult. But anyway, I'm not griping. I'm very grateful
for the people that are working with these stabilized ions.
What happens in the mineral world is is we all
know minerals are important. How many books have we seen that.
(09:04):
I think even line us Palling with his focus on
vitamin C he said that mineral deficiencies are the basis
of chronic disease, and on and on ego. There are
so many researchers and practitioners. Yeah, minerals are very important.
But what we used to get mineral wise with the
(09:27):
high mineral waters. They talk about the long lived societies
that people who live to be centurians, is that how
over one hundred and they live in areas where they
have fresh water supply, usually coming from the mountains after
(09:48):
the winter melt. You know, all this water comes tumbling down,
scraping against the rocks, creating water that actually can look
milky from all the minerals. It was high minerals. There's
a lot of dynamics in that type of fluid, I
could even say homeopathic. You know, it's all shaken up,
(10:11):
so they there maybe and this is me just speculating.
H two L has a one hundred and twenty degree
to I think that one hundred and twenty two degree
bond and in that little space of the angle change,
it can create some sort of bonding with either in
(10:31):
a homeopathic way or maybe minerals. Maybe this type of water,
they haven't studied it enough. Maybe that's the structured water
they're talking about making. So when we stopped getting our
water from the mountains and the streams that would go
to the oceans, when we blocked off those rivers and
(10:52):
dammed them up so we could make farmland, we stopped
getting minerals, and then we put so many toxins in
the water supply. You can test water from anywhere in
the world and find toxins. You can find drugs, you
can find heavy metals, you can find poisons. So we're
filtering water. We're filtering water at the municipal site, and
(11:17):
we're filtering water at our own tabs. We're drinking bottled water,
and if you look at the back of the label,
it's often distilled water so that it's just h two
ozho and no minerals. And where are we getting our minerals?
One of the first things that I say to customers,
and I used to say to patients, get some good
(11:39):
sea salt, some sea salt that has some color in it.
It's got seventy two minerals. Your body needs those minerals,
and you have to drink enough water as well to
make your cells work. So I say, take your body
weight in pounds, divide that in half, and then that
half amount is that there we are drinking? Is that water?
(12:03):
We're drinking half our body weight and no, yeah, half
our body weight water. So if I'm one hundred and ten,
then I'm drinking fifty five ounces of water day with
a quarter teaspoon of sea salt in every liter, I'm
up to a little bit more than that. And that
I mean, that's not even the RDA of the sodium
(12:25):
that we've require to support our adrenal glands. Even we
need sodium. People are having low blood pressure and fainting
and whatnot. They're dehydrated and they don't have enough salt.
You put all these elderly people on diuretics that drain
their blood so that they have less volumes, so that
(12:46):
there's less blood pressure. They're dehydrated, and they're falling over
and breaking their hips, and then the side effects of
all that. So with minerals we're very deficient. And at
this point, yes, we could take dirt minerals like the
sea salt is a dirt mineral, or we can take
(13:08):
a calcium chloride, but a calcium, especially a calcium carbonate,
may be only four percent absorbed. And where does the
rest of that calcium go. It deposits in soft tissues.
Calcium is constipating. It doesn't give you the laxative effect
like magnesium if you take quote too much. So calcium
(13:31):
is the enemy these days. And if you don't have
enough magnesium to solubilize calcium in the bloodstream, then it
will deposit in soft tissues. You've got heel spurs, kidney stones, gallstones,
you've got the athrosclerosis, the athrosclerosis or arteriosclerosis, the cholesterol,
(13:56):
calcium plaques. That it's a huge myth that calcium is
the problem here. Well, sidebar. Here what happens with arteries
is when they make a bifurcation and go smaller. Here's
your big artery, and then it goes smaller. In this
little v it can tear a little bit if you
(14:18):
don't have enough vitamin C to make collagen, and if
you don't have enough magnesium to make elastin. So you
get this little tear and the body says, oh, oh, oh,
let's put some cholesterol over that tear as a band
aid until we get some more vitamin C to heal
up that tear. But if you've got a lot of
(14:41):
calcium in the bloodstream, which we will have because of
our diet, because of fortified calcium foods, because women are
being forced to take calcium if they're over forty, they're
taking twice and three times as much as the number
they require, but in a comp unform that deposits on
(15:02):
this bit of cholesterol band aid to eventually make a
big plaque and cause all the athrospleritic problems. So back
to minerals. Minerals don't just work on their own either.
There there's what's called the mineral wheel. You can look
that up and you'll see little arrows between this mineral
(15:25):
and that mineral. If you have too much calcium, you
push back your magnesium for example, and then the vitamins
come into play. We talked about vitamin D a little
bit in our first episode. Vitamin D needs magnesium in
order to become activated. Now how crazy is that. So
(15:48):
we've got vitamin D and everybody's well, oh, yeah, we
need vitamin D. It's a vitamin and it acts like
a hormone pro hormone, and it's so important. And the
COVID years taught us that people with low vitamin D
were more susceptible to getting infection. We know, we know,
we know, but then the studies are so equivocal because
(16:10):
they never look at the magnesium levels and the people
they're testing, so they will never get the proper conclusion
because they don't know the interactivity, and that is it's
ramp and throat nutritional medicine. I was on the board
of the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine back in the
(16:32):
whatever nineties. I guess when I was in New York
doing AIDS research and they were going more and more medical.
They were taking funds from or Naturopathic College was taking
funds from drug companies to study one aspect of a
(16:52):
certain herb to see if it was like a drug.
They are looking for drug like solutions in natchopathic medicine,
so with minerals, they will never really test a mineral
in its family of minerals. In the first episode, I
talked about the nine minerals that are necessary to make
(17:15):
thyroid hormones and all of them if they are in
their picometer size and I say piicometer because that expresses
how tiny these are are. One of our studies out
of Purdue University, we ran our or they the researchers
scientists ran our liquid magnesium, ran a laser through it.
(17:39):
It's called a nanosizer. They wanted to find the size
of any particulate matter in our liquid magnesium. There are
no particles because the ions are below the particle size.
They're below that range. So that meant that's that is
(18:00):
a bottle of our liquid magnesium that had been sitting
for months that was still in a stable state that
it had no particulate matter. You take that in your
body and those ions of magnesium go straight into the cells.
So we're dealing with a problem where we don't have
(18:20):
minerals in our water anymore, which is where we used
to get them, and then that water that water irrigated
the fields and put the minerals into our food. So
since the water doesn't have minerals, the food doesn't have
the minerals that we require. Then we have to give
back the minerals. So the other the aspect of food.
(18:44):
I again in the first episode, I talked about all
my resources go toward an organic farm here in Maui
because I wanted to see can I eat off the farm?
Can we make it so that people will get their nutrition?
And it is food, the best of medicine. And I'm
(19:06):
not able to eat entirely off the farm. I get
my heart palpitations back because there's not enough magnesium in
the soil. We could dump app some salts and tons
of minerals on the soil, but we really can't afford it.
And at this point, with the many stresses that burn
off magnesium and other minerals, then we have to take
(19:31):
dietary supplements. And my conclusion from being at this for
fifty years is that we have to supplement with the
best absorbed nutrients picometer sized minerals, food based vitamins, non
fish algae omega threes instead of using toxic fish liver
(19:56):
that has to be refined with all kinds of some
processes that we don't even know what we're getting when
we're taking fish oil, omega threes. So all these things
I've kind of put together in what I think is
the best way for people to build their organic bodies.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And I'll link to a lot of the things we're
talking about, as well as so many educational resources you
have around all of this in the show notes for
anybody listening on the go, Doctor Carlin has so much
information available, And it seems to me such a shame that,
like you talked about, if anything, women are just told
to take calcium, which you made a very strong case
might be the least productive one to take, and if
it doesn't work, they're told to just take more calcium,
(20:38):
without understanding the interplay and the synergy amongst all of
these minerals and how important they are. And I think,
especially when we consider the body as an electric organism
like the ions and the electrical communication within ourselves is
such a beautiful harmony and a delicate balance, and that
explains also why water alone might not be the most
optimally hydrating, why we actually need this full range of minerals.
(21:01):
So the body can both biochemically and electrically and in
all the ways communicate most effectively. And like I said,
I know you have so many more resources available on
this and books on all these topics I will link to.
But any last thoughts you want to make sure people
really understand when it comes to this mineral balance and
ionic minerals and how we can best support our body.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Maybe I'll go to the calcium issue, Katie, because in
my age group, all the women are being told to
get Dexa scans the X right has to see how
dense your bones are. And actually I'm doing a lecture
on that here in Maui. And when I talk about
(21:43):
my lecture, all the women say, oh, yeah, I just
have my bone density tests and it's low and oh
my gosh, and this and that, and they want me
to say this drug. It's a serious problem because these
deets are scans and I'm not gonna have one. I
just do all the things I know to strengthen my
bones and my muscles, because it's the muscles that hold
(22:06):
you together and keep your balance and all the rest
of it. With the Dextera scan, do you know what
they're comparing you to a thirty year old female bone structure.
So they're imagining that in your sixties and seventies, where
you have some wear and tear, where things are going
to be different. They are saying to these women that, oh,
(22:29):
your bones aren't strong, You're at at risk. You're at
risk for falling and breaking something. And what does that do?
It scares people. It makes them trepidation for even walking.
Oh what if I trip? And so I'm very concerned
about that because they're pushing testing as a way of
(22:51):
making money, and they're pushing a test that will allow
them to force to force you to take a drug.
When the drugs for keeping your bones dnse Fosomax, for example,
you take that and it kills your osteoclasts. Your osteoblasts
(23:12):
make bone. That's great. Osteoclasts model the bone into the
right lattice work that is dense and strong. When you
kill your osteoclasts and stop the remodeling of your bone,
you make willy nilly slapdab calcium on your bones that
(23:37):
is brittle. It is so bad with these drugs that
dentists will not do implants or much of any dental
surgery on women who are taking fozzomax because their jawbones
are deteriorating, and the thigh bone gets the worst of it.
So when you fall, you're breaking your thigh bone at
(23:59):
the at the top. It's just horrendous what's going on
in the in bone bone deterioration, commercialization, it's like a
new industry. So I'm really concerned about that calcium itself.
If women take calcium supplements at the twelve hundred and
(24:20):
fifteen hundred milligrams that are being recommended, instead of getting
six hundred milligrams from the diet, which you can do
with dairy, green leafies, nuts and seeds, or take a
picometer stabilized iron of calcium. I finally made one. I
was so avoiding calcium because I try not to take calcium.
(24:40):
But when I got off dairy, I said, okay, then
I have to have something available for myself. So with calcium.
Doctor Boland in New Zealand, he did over half a
dozen studies and found that women just simply taking calcium
supplements are at a higher risk for heart disease because
of the calcium that they're depositing in their arteries. Like
(25:04):
I talked about before, Now that's scary that is really scary.
The World Health Organization and in the UK, their RDA
for calcium is five hundred to seven hundred milligrams, so
that's where I came at. Just go for six hundred milligrams.
So the calcium story is very important. And as our
(25:25):
population of mothers here, as you get older, you are
going to be told, oh, take more calcium, but the
balance is to take magnesium. That helps keep your bones.
Kind of elash dick. It does so much for your
bone's soft tissue structure. When they burn bone, to say, well,
(25:46):
let's find out what the minerals are and bones so
we can give them back. When they burn bone, they
just see mostly calcium because magnesium burns off. So they
never thought that magnesium was important, but it is vital
for the soft tissue. I had a horrendous fall. It's
(26:06):
a year ago now, and I didn't break this elbow.
I kind of restructured it and my arm was well.
When I had the fall, my arm blew up to
the size of one of my legs and I didn't
I couldn't really work it for about three weeks and
it went to a noodle. And when I got back
(26:30):
to my normal exercise. I walked two hours a day
and I carry a three pound weight and just one
of them, and I built up this muscle from a noodle.
You can build your muscles if you work them. And
it's your muscles that keep your bones in place. I
(26:52):
wish I could find a better way of saying that,
but the bones and muscles work together. You can take
and this was done. I haven't been able to find
the study since I read it. Decades ago. A photographer
went down to South America took pictures of all these
young women with the jars on their heads, walking up
(27:13):
and down the hills and handies. And she went back
thirty years later and was able to find some of
these women and took I said, pictures, but she took scans,
bone density scans, and she scanned them later they were
still carrying their loads, and they were still healthy and strong,
but their bones were less dense, but their muscles stayed strong.
(27:36):
So she said this we all agree. Common sense is
that if you keep your muscles strong and you keep
your body balanced, even to the point, and I'm talking
to an older audience here, just to finish up, when
you're putting on your socks and shoes and underwear and pants.
(27:57):
Stand in the middle of the room on one foot
and put them on. Do not be leaning up against things.
You have to keep your balance because when you're walking
along and you trip, you want your other leg to
keep you stable. You don't want to trip and fall
right over because you have no balance. So that's my
final thought there, Katie. What I'm doing is I'm giving
(28:20):
you my talk for that I'm going to do later tonight.
So I just did it. Oh amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
We got a preview well, and it makes sense to
me because if you think about like a piece of
chalk that is entirely calcium and it breaks very easily,
and I can understand your concerns with DEXA. I will
gladly be the guinea pig for the data perspective of this,
so I have access to a dexas, so I do
it occasionally just for like to see what I'm doing
and if it's changing, especially muscle mass, because I'm trying
to increase muscle. And what I've noticed is my bone
(28:49):
density is actually multiple standard deviations above what the reference point,
which is the average thirty year old. I take zero calcium,
I get lots of sunshine. I take lots of magnesium
and minerals, I eat a lot of protein, I lift weights,
and I sprint and I've seen my bone density go
up in my thirties, which they tell you it will
go down in your thirties. So I love all this
information you have because I feel like it puts us
(29:09):
in the driver's seat of being able to create change
and not accept these things that were told as statistics
as we get older. And I know you have literally
volumes of work, like dozens of books that you have written.
I'll link to all of those because I know you
are an absolute wealth of knowledge, and hopefully we get
to do more episodes in the future because I could
learn endlessly from you. But for today's episode, thank you
so much for all that you've shared. This has been incredible.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh, thank you, Katie. I appreciate it, no mistay, and
what else mahalo oh.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I love it, And thank you as always for listening
and for sharing your most valuable resources, your time, your energy,
and your attention with us today. We're both so grateful
that you did, and I hope you will join me
again on the next episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
If you're enjoying these interviews, would you please take two
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(29:58):
Doing this helps more people to find the podcast, which
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I really appreciate your time and thanks as always for listening.
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