September 29, 2025 • 42 mins
Episode Highlights with Carolyn
- Some of the many reasons why magnesium is so important
- The reasons why magnesium deficiency is so common in the modern world
- Magnesium is necessary for fertility and healthy pregnancy
- How it comes into play with detox and sleep
- Stress depletes magnesium and why it's impossible to get enough from diet anymore
- How fluoride and related drugs deplete magnesium
- Calcium and mineral channels and how these can interplay
- 100 years ago we were getting 500mg a day of magnesium from diet and now we barely get 200mg
- 800 enzyme processes in the body need magnesium to function properly
- Why women are especially prone to magnesium deficiency
- 9 minerals are needed to make thyroid hormones
- Mitchondria need magnesium to make energy and when we don’t have enough we have lower energy and brain fog
- How to know if you're low on magnesium and why testing isn’t needed or accurate
- Magnesium is the most important mineral and only 1% is in the blood so blood testing isn’t accurate
- BiOptimizers Magnesium use code wellnessmama for a discount
- ReMyte Mineral Solution use code wellnessmama for a discount
- All Completement Formulas from RnA ReSet - code wellnessmama for a discount
- Dr. Carolyn Dean's website
- Dr. Carolyn's books
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Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I'm Katie
from Walnessmama dot com. Today I get to talk about
a topic I've been passionate about for a very long time,
which is magnesium and why it's often the most overlooked
mineral that can make the biggest difference and it is
my absolute pleasure to get to do this today with
truly the woman who wrote the book about this, doctor Carolyndan,
(04:30):
who has been a leading voice on this and a
researcher and developer among so many things for so many years.
Doctor Carolyn Dean is a MD and a natural path
She has written over thirty five books on various topics,
including The Magnesium Miracle, Reset for Women's Health, Total Body Reset,
Complete Guide to Mental Wellness, and then IBS for Dummies.
The list goes on and on and on, and you
(04:52):
will hear in this episode just what a wealth of
knowledge she is. She explains things on so many deep levels,
as well as giving practical ways that we can actually
make improvements in our own health without the need for
expensive testing and at home, starting right now. I loved
learning from her. Let's jump in, Doctor Carolyn Dean. Welcome
and thank you so much for being here. This feels
(05:13):
very long overdue.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I've followed you for so long and it is an
absolute honor to finally get to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh that's awesome, and please call me Carolyn Katie.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
All right, I will well, as any long time listeners
or readers know, I have been researching magnesium for over
a decade now. I really feel like it's one of
the most impactful things that we have access to in
the modern world. And you have your depth of knowledge
on this far exceeds minds, which is why I'm so
excited for this conversation. I think there's obviously a thousand
(05:43):
directions we could go. Most people are aware of the
importance of magnesium, but can you give us some foundation
on why magnesium is so important and why deficiency is
so common, especially in the modern world.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Big topic, a huge topic. I'll start with the magnesium
is required for a eighty percent of non metabolic functions,
so head to toe. When you think about it being
involved with muscles and nerves, that's very important. We have
six hundred and forty muscles in the body, all of
which can cramp up if you have a magnesium deficiency.
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Nervous system either from you just the anxiety part of
stress and life, or the actual physical nerves can be affected.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You get numbness and tingling.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
If you bring it into the mother population, the pregnant
woman population, magnesium is necessary to keep everything going during
a pregnancy. We're detoxing with magnesium we're relaxing, we're sleeping.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's a slight.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Diuretic for women who are developing a clampsia. If you
go through preaclampsia with a bit of blood pressure, a
bit of edema, and heaven forbid, it goes to a
clampsia where there are even seizures. That's where the doctors
roll out the ivy intravenous magnesium. But they don't seem
(07:11):
to tell women that they need magnesium all through the
pregnancy to prevent those symptoms. So it's a huge disservice
to women that they're not told about magnesium.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And I know you know that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And it seems like so many things that are just
natural in our modern lifestyles kind of work against us
when it comes to maintaining enough magnesium in the body, Like,
at least from what I've read, even just things like
stress or too much caffeine consumption, or sleep disturbances or
like essentially everything we do in the modern world seems
to kind of deplete us of magnesium. But can you
speak to that, Like, why does it seem like we're
(07:48):
facing maybe more than we used to magnesium deficiency.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right, it's not in the soil anymore. Because I'm so
interested in food and organic prower in a good diet.
I have a dietari supplement company, but everything I make
from my company, I put into an organic farm here
in Maui, and we keep people fed in Maui with
(08:13):
our organic farming. But I can't eat entirely off the farm,
even though we have chicken, eggs and about sixty different fruits, vegetables, herbs.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
If I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Take extra magnesium, I get my heart palpitations, bag my
neck tension, headache, leg cramps. There's dozens and dozens of
symptoms you can get from magnesium deficiency. So I know
we're not getting it in the soil.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
When we cook our foods, we.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Burn off the magnesium. When we have stress, we burn
off magnesium. If we get any sort of medical intervention
like a drug, especially medications that have fluoride. If you're
on a medication, look it up online and look for
the chemical formula off your medication.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
If it has.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
An f there that's fluoride. Fluoride drugs will break down
in the intestines, even though that drug companies may say, oh,
it doesn't break down into petri dish. Sure, Okay, this
fluoride that's normally one hundred percent toxic and a poison.
It's okay in your drugs. The microbiome in your testins
(09:23):
breaks down drugs, so that fluoride attaches to whatever available
magnesium you have and makes a compound.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
That is irreversible.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's called cellate magnesium fluoride, and that binds into tendons
and joints and causes I mean, heaven forbid, it's an
FDA black box warning on a certain fluoride drug called cyprofloxacin,
an antibiotic black box warning tendon rupture. And nobody's talking
(09:56):
about this, but common sense puts this my theory together.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
So we've got all these drugs.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You have a surgical procedure, I mean that sometimes comes up,
and the anesthetics that they use, the inhaled anesthetics, one
of them in particular, has several molecules of fluoride. So
there you are under the anesthetic getting this poison. It's
being metabolized, it's taking over your magnesium. And what's a
(10:28):
common reaction to having a surgical procedure. You wake up
with a racing heart or a heart arrhythmia or atrial
fibrillation and then you're put on all those type of
heart medications, whereas it could have been just a magnesium
deficiency that was created stress stress, stress toxins. Even the
Wi Fi. You know, we're all on our black mirrors.
(10:52):
And what happens with the calcium mineral channels is they
get irritated with Wi Fi. And what keeps calcium from
irritating celt is magnesium. Magnesium closes the door on celt
to keep calcium from flooding into the celts. You can
(11:15):
google this, you know, just the words I'm saying, calcium
and Wi Fi and sell calcium cell channels. If you
have enough magnesium, your cells are protected so you don't
get this interference. So I could go on and on
and on. There's so many reasons why we need magnesium.
(11:37):
I guess in the statistic why one hundred years ago
we were getting five hundred milligrams of magnesium from our
diet a daily five hundred. Now we're lucky to get
two hundred. And in the RDAs are saying that women
need three hundred, three hundred and fifty milligrams. I think
(11:58):
we need a least sick. When I was working with
my own magnesium liquid which is non laxative, so I
could take a lot of it. I needed twelve hundred
milligrams to get rid of my heart palpitations. If I
was taking even fifty milligrams of a magnesium compound, I
would get the laxative effect. So what has happened is
(12:23):
we're told magnesium is important. They say three hundred enzyme
processes require magnesium. I've found references that it's up to
eight hundred enzyme processes, so we're not statistically, we're not
being told how important it is. And then, as I said,
(12:44):
all the different interferences with our ability to take on
magnesium and utilize it are making us very magnesium deficient,
to the point where I know.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know this book.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I know it's bout, but it's magnesium the missing link
to total health. I have over sixty five conditions that
I've listed, medical conditions that could be magnesium deficiency. And
what happens with these medical conditions they're treated with drugs,
and maybe seventy five eighty percent of the drugs, the
(13:24):
common drugs that you know really work well are fluoride drugs.
So I already said about the interference of fluoride with
magnesium metabolism. So I know I've gone all over the
world there, Katie, but go ahead, let me know what
you want to know next.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So many great points you just made, and I love
how you like revise that number because I know years
ago that was the number I read as well, three
hundred and in somatic reactions within the body. And it
seems like the more we learn, we just reinforce how
vital magnesium is. And I've also in the data I've seen,
it seems like magnesium deficiency is common population wide, and
I've seen varying estimates of how much of the population
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is deficient and magnesium. It seems like women are affected
slightly more, like women are even more likely to be deficient,
just like women are more likely to be affected by
autoimmunity for instance. Do you feel like that is because
like our hormone cycles come into play as well, and
or women tend to carry a lot of stress in
the modern world, or have more demands on our bodies
in our time, or what do you think? Why do
you think women especially are at a higher risk for
(14:27):
magnesium defficiency?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, great question. Hormones.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I've found references that the estrogen increase before the period
during the cycle. Whenever estrogen increases, magnesium drops. During pregnancy,
higher estrogen magnesium drops fifteen to thirty percent, So confirming
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we need more women need more magnesium, and women are
under more stress. And we take care of everything. We
see the big picture. We know where everything is in
the house, we know what's going on, so we're constantly engaged.
And with children in the house, we're sleeping at a
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level where we can hear a pin drop. I don't
think we get deep sleep when we're aware of someone
who's sick in the house, or when there's a baby
in the house. So we're constantly burning off our magnesium.
Our stress levels are so high. I mean, women talk
about brain fog and I with autoimmune disease. I've often said, well,
(15:43):
it's yeast overgrowth that causes brain fog and magnesium and
mineral deficiencies sidebar, sidebar. Nine minerals are required to make
thyroid hormones, and every woman knows that they get their
thigh were tested when they're pregnant because there's some possibility
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that the thyroid will weaken.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Because the fetus is.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Draining your minerals from your body to make the thyroid
of the baby.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Now we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Told that it's oh yeah, that happens. So after even
after the first pregnancy, your thyroid is weakened. You need
these nine minerals, but you're not giving them. What you're
told is, well, your blood tests are okay, let's just wait,
wait until your thyroid crashes, and then we'll give you
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thyroid hormone replacement instead of the nine minerals. And of
course the nine minerals include iodine, but it's not just iodine.
You can't just say it's a linear progression to make
these hormones. But just to make the point, you're making
iodine into thyroid hormones. T three means there's three idine molecules,
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T four Idimolcou's okay, it's the most important mineral. But
then to create the hormones themselves, you go for I
dying to say selenium, and some people are saying, well,
you know you need selenium for the thyroid, but you
also need boron and copper and manganese and molybdenum ma
and magnesium and calcium. So we're not getting those when
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we're eating a diet that is devoid of minerals. What
else where were we going with that?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Katie, come back to me, just why it's more common
in women especially, And of course I like hormones and
pregnancy and all those can create access to ends.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh yeah, they So there's the hormones and there's the
stress and sort of where I'll go with the brain
fog business. It can be east overgrowth. But listen to
this statistic. I just finished my latest book, The Complete
Guide to Mental Health. In the brain, there are eighty
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six trillion in neurons, and neuron is just a brain cell,
and all cells have the same constituents. In each neuron,
there are two million mitochondria. In the harsh cells there
are five thousand mitochondria. I used to think the heart
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had the most magnesium, and then I find out, well,
in the mitochondria sidebar this. The mitochondria is where we
make energy atp In order to make that energy, you
need magnesium atp is really atp mg that's the energy bucket.
So that means every mitochondria needs a lot of magnesium
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to make energy. And you get two million in the
brain and only five thousand in the heart. So that
means when we don't have enough magnesium ore you know,
our brain shuts down. You know, the eyes troupe, the fatigue,
the bombardment, the sensitivity could be because we don't have
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enough magnesium. And for women who aren't getting their sleep,
which insomnia is one of the signs of magnesium deficiency.
For women who are just rushing around all the time,
micromanaging everything, then they need as much magnesium as possible.
But like I said earlier, if you get the laxative
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effect from the magnesium you're taking, you're not going to
keep taking it and you will. Actually hear some practitioners say, well,
you know you take your magnesium up to the point
where you get the laxative effect, it means you're saturated.
I'm here to tell you that's not true. I already
said it over fifty milligrams. I was in the toilet.
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I had to take twelve hundred milligrams of a non
laxetive magnesium to really saturate me. And minute, I'm feeling
so much better at I'm seventy six, and back when
I was thirty, when I was in the throes of
magnesium deficiency, I felt seventy six.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But right now I feel like I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Thirty, and it's because I have the grounding of the
magnesium for my eight eight hundred enzyme systems eighty percent
of non metabolic functions. So I tell everybody, get your
magnesium in check, in control, in the right proportion, and
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whatever's left of your symptoms. Then you go to a
doctor or practitioner a nutritionist to figure out, well, what
am I missing? And it could be that you need
those nine minerals for your thyroid. It could be that
you need some good silver for low grade infections. It
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could be that you need your Mega three fatty acids
to make your sell membranes tight and not leaky. It
could be you need some natural antifungals and silver to
take care of yeast overgrowth. And then there's vitamin D
D three of course with K two that we all
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need as a vitamin and a hormone or pro hormone,
and vitamin A and E you can throw in there too.
That's what you need for your building blocks for your cells.
You don't need these hundreds of products that are thrown
at us now to supplement our cells. And also what
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I say about taking natural basic formulas is you don't
have to stop your drugs. You don't have to stop anything.
You just take your building blocks, and as your body
feels better than any common sense doctor will help you
wean off medications. Because what are stressed out parents and
women on and angiolitics, antidepressants, that's what they're offered.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
When you come and say, oh, I'm just so tired.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And if you make a statement Katie like I just
feel like I'm dying or I feel like killing myself,
the doctor will be triggered to immediately put you on
a drug. I'm going to say, if you overdramatize, I mean,
it's not being dramatic. You know you're suffering. But if
you're trying to make a point with a doctor by
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saying words that trigger them, they will put you on drugs.
And they don't know anything from medical school about nutrients.
I didn't learn it in my mid training. I learned
it well beforehand. I was reading all the natural health books.
This was back in the sixties and seventies for Pezzas.
I went to med school in the mid seventies, and
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then after my mid training, I did my naturopathic training
and it was just like you know, coming home, I mean,
this is common sense, the building blocks, what's the cause
deep down it's not. Yeah, So I'll leave there, think
you'll go back to you, Katie Well, I definitely am
excited to in a few minutes get to like how
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do we maximally support our body and especially when it
comes to magnesium in minerals.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But before we get there, I hear from a lot
of women who are told things like, oh, my doctor
said my magnesium levels are fine, And so I would
love to address like the testing side of this and
how to actually know if you might need magnesium. And
I would guess within that the signs and symptoms to
pay attention to that may or may not show up
on the lab work a doctor might be doing, especially
basic lab work. But can you speak to like, how
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do we actually know for ourselves within our own bodies,
our own end of one experiment, if we're lowered magnesium.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yes, it's kind of a common sense thing. When I'm
saying eighty percent of non banditbolic functions. Then you do
a survey, do you have a tight scalp? Do you
have eye twitching? Do you kind of choke when you're
trying to swallow a big supplement which is terrible giving
someone a supplement and they're choking. But you can have
spasms in your softgis. Even hiatus hernia can be a spasm.
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Do you have muscle tension? Do you have insomnia? Do
you have leg cramps or even restless legs? Do you
have kind of IBS symptoms where you get consumpation or
diarrhea where the muscularture in your intestines is all off spasm,
So you go through a symptom survey. I have such
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a quiz on one of my websites, and it's very
useful because Katie, when you look at magnesium, no matter
what form, my form, or all the other magnesium compounds,
they're safe. The myth about any dangers about magnesium taken
in high levels is intravenous magnesium in a hospital setting
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where they've just pushed in too much and it can
overwhelm the electrolytes that help with your heart rhythm. As
for testing, they don't even test for magnesium in a
normal electrolyte panel. It is not there. You get your calcium,
your potassium, your sodium, and no magnesium. Where's magnesium is
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the most important mineral? Why it's not there is when
you test magnesium in the serum erum magnesium blood test,
there's only one percent of the total body magnesium in
the blood. So you put your dipstick in and you're
just measuring this tiny little segment and it's got a
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very narrow range, and yes, if.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
It's below that normal range.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Then the doctor say, oh, but because magnesium is so
vital for the heart and everything else, the body has
mechanisms where if magnesium goes low in the serum, all
these mechanisms come into play and pull magnesium out of
your bones and your muscles.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it's always going to be in range.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Seriously, what I started using with the RBC magnesium test,
but that's not it. I mean, it's got a wider range.
But it's interesting because then I started looking at it.
The range was I think four point two to six
point five, and a few years later they dropped it
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to three point two to maybe six point two.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So what they were doing and what.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Blood tests are is an average of the sick population.
So as the population's magnesium was dropping, they said, oh,
well you're okay if you're three point two. So I
tell people, look, if you get an RBC test, make
it six. You make it as high as you can
because if a doctor sees someone with a three point three,
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they will say you are okay. Now, what I've been
doing in my university scientific studies is using ionized magnesium testing,
which is what you want in your cells. It's an
ion of magnesium, and actually that's what my formula is.
It's a pikometer size stabilized ion of magnesium. So when
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we do our studies and someone takes a dose of
my pickometer ionized magnesium, you get ions in the blood
and they stay stable and they go into the cells.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
And we've proven in our first.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Study we saved blood for two years and at the
end of two years we redid the ionized magnesium blood
test and found out the values were exactly the same.
So you can store frozen blood and do the test.
So I don't know how long we'll have to wait.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
For this to become a public test.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's only used in IC use, emergency situations and research
facilities right now.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
So those are the three tests.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
The RBC magnesium, as I said, that's you can go
by that because it has a bigger range. But what's crazy,
Katie's red blood cells don't have any mitochondria, so they
don't really bring in the magnesium and utilize magnesium in
their crib cycles because there's no mitochondria there. So I
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guess they're just getting magnesium by some sort of diffusion process.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So it's work.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
If you list your symptoms and then you start taking
some magnesium and you see your symptoms dispersed, then then I.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Think that's the way to go.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Because of the failed safeties, though, is the laxative effect.
When I was taking my twelve hundred milligrams for over
a year for all my symptoms, what happened At the
end of that time, everything thing was taken care of.
Then I started to get the laxative effect, and I said, okay,
I'm saturated, so I pulled back. Presently, I'm only taking
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three hundred to four hundred and fifty milligrams a day
and I'm fine. If I'm under extra stress, you know,
I might get a you know, my heart might skip
a beat, and Okay, I'll take some more. When I
moved to MAO and started sweating, I needed more magnesium
for example.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So that's the testing. That's such a good point.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And on the sweating site, I've read that people who
are like in hot climates, very active, you sauna a lot.
We can lose more minerals in the span of a
few years than a sedentary person might in a really
long period of time. So that, I think is another indicator,
Like if you do those things often, it might indicate
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Speaker 4 (33:58):
And on the lab testing side.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm so glad you brought that up, because I feel
like this is actually relevant to a lot of lab testing.
Like I remember getting so many tests that said my
thyroid levels were normal, and I had to learn there's
a difference between normal and optimal when the ranges are
set by the averages of the people who take the test.
People who get thyroid testing are concerned they have something
wrong with their thyroid, saying with vitamin D, one test
(34:20):
I took said vitamin D level of twenty was fine,
And I know I feel best when I naturally have
a vitamin D level in the eighties or nineties from
sunshine alone, but that's not what the lab tests reflect.
I think with magnesium especially, you make such a compelling
case for like you said, following the symptoms, listening to
your own body, doing your own experimentation, and because of
its safety profile, it seems like we are much more
(34:43):
likely to be deficient and not getting enough than to
be anywhere near that getting too much, especially if we're
not getting intravenous magnesium. So I love to at our
last few minutes for this episode, talk about how do
you recommend people start experimenting with dosing and actually getting
enough magnesium and paying attention to those things they do well.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What I say here in interviews Katie is everybody has
magnesium in their cabinet right now. Everybody knows about magnesium.
You talk about it and oh, yeah, I take magneticum.
But yes, they're not taking it properly. If you have
a capsule, open it up, put it in your drinking
(35:23):
water a lead bottle, and drink that through the day.
Do not just say, oh, they say this type of
magnesium is good for sleep, I'll just take it at night.
The marketing of magnesium is crazy. They're trying to say
a magnesium combination of nine magnesiums is the best thing
(35:45):
in the world. But the body, if it's looking for magnesium,
it has to break down all those magnesiums. What happens
with a compound is it disassociates in the bloodstream. It
separates into a magnesium ile on and then whatever chloride
ion and in the split second before magnesium jumps and
(36:06):
binds to something else, in that split second, you'll get
some absorption into a cell. So you're asking the body
to take these nine different and I don't know. I mean,
I'm just kind of making this up. But is it
more work for the body to separate all these and
then try to get some ions out of it. But
it's just it makes for a good marketing text. They
(36:29):
go on and on, Oh, well, you know, the glyciing
part will help you, or the lactate part will help
you doing these other things. But if you're looking for
a magnesium you want pure magnesium, not all these other
extras you know, attached to the compound. So with anything, though,
(36:51):
what I say is because we're so deficient and we
need so much magnesium, eighty percent of no metabolic functions,
any amount of any magnesium is going to be beneficial.
It's to the point though, I guess because I'm a
medical doctor in natural path and people approached me over
the years because they the last resort. I'm a resort doctor.
(37:17):
So people will beyond medications. They'll have a whole list
of symptoms and conditions and they need I think they
need high doses of magnesium. So it has to be
non laxative. Even magnesium oxide, which they say is four
percent absorbed, and I don't even know if that's absorbed
(37:38):
into the blood or into the cells. They've never done
proper absorption studies on magnesium, but even magnesium oxide. They've
written whole books on the brain effects of magnesium, and
it turns out they're using magnesium oxide. So for the
magnesium AL three in eight people to say that they've
got the only magnesium that go to the blood brain barrier.
(38:01):
I mean that study was a rat study, and they
proved that there was a seven percent increase in magnesium
in the cerebral spinal fluid of these poor rats compared
to magnesium.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
I think it was shit trade.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So on a seven percent difference, they made this whole
million dollar marketing report or whatever that everybody now says
MAGNESIUMAIL three and eight is the best. And they also
confused people by implying that they were using three in
(38:41):
nine magnesium L three three and nine is an amino.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Acid that has mood and brain effects.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, they have three and eight, which is a vitamin
C breakdown product. So the whole marketing was kind of sketchy.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Let's say that makes sense, and so it sounds like
a kind of a synopsis of that is, any magnesium
is better than no magnesium, and there are forms that
are even more available to the body with less work,
and so especially if we're in an intensive recovery or
healing phase where wanting to like maximally nourish ourselves, it
might be wiser to start with those, but to like
not throw the baby out with the bathwater either, Like,
(39:18):
at the end of the day, we likely need more
magnesium than we're getting.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
The body will likely be glad if we.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Get more magnesium. And I'll of course link to your
website because I know you have a tremendous amount of education.
You have blogs and books and podcasts you've done on
these topics as well as the ionic combinations that you've created,
and we're going to get to do another episode to
really go deep on ions, stabilized ions and minerals and
understanding that topic. But for somebody who's like, Okay, I
need magnesium and I want to learn more about it,
(39:44):
where would you send them to start with that?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yes, my website Drkrolyndean dot com has a lot of information.
I do a weekly blog, and for example, our interview
will be listed on my a site so that you
can go through it or people can google my name
and find me. I have a YouTube channel where our
(40:09):
radio show, which we just used to do internally. Now
they forced me to go on camera.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Katie. I avoided her.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
For years, But I mean that what's happened in the
world of dietary supplements. It happened during the COVID years,
where the FDA came down on everybody who implied that
dietari supplements could help your immune system. They came after
me because on my website I would have testimonials like
(40:41):
the eighty year old woman that rushed up to me
at the farmer's market. I run a farm, so I'm
volunteering at my farm stand on Tuesdays. And she said,
I can't believe it. It's been a week. I've been
taking your and I can't even mention the name of
my product. I've been taking your liquid magnesium, and my
life will never be the same. So this is a
(41:04):
famous violinist who was starting to, you know, hunch over
with all the tension her from her musicianships. And she's
a healthy person. She comes and buys the organic food
and does all the good things, but she was magnesium deficient.
So I get these stories all the time that you
(41:26):
propel me and keep this going that a person has
to try something on their own they can't just go
by you can't go by my words because I'm a
different person than you are. So what you do is
try things. You have to do your own experiment. Your
own inequals one experiment and is the number of people
(41:50):
in an experiment. You can do your own experiment, and
that's what we're saying, and educational wise, it's all on
my site.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Perfect put all of those links in. Like you said,
I think that end of one study is the perhaps
the most valuable work we undertake, at least in a
physical sense and when it comes to supporting our body,
and I love that you say that as well. I
will put all of those links in the show notes
for you guys listening on the go. Carolyn, this was
incredible and I'm excited we're going to get to record
another episode that goes deeper on other minerals as well.
(42:21):
But for this episode, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Thank you, Katie, and I thank you for what you're
doing getting the information out there.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Thank you, and thank you as always for listening. And
I hope you joined me again on the next episode
of the Wellness Mama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews,
would you please take two minutes to leave a rating
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(42:50):
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Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I'm Katie
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a topic I've been passionate about for a very long time,
which is magnesium and why it's often the most overlooked
mineral that can make the biggest difference and it is
my absolute pleasure to get to do this today with
truly the woman who wrote the book about this, doctor Carolyndan,
(04:30):
who has been a leading voice on this and a
researcher and developer among so many things for so many years.
Doctor Carolyn Dean is a MD and a natural path
She has written over thirty five books on various topics,
including The Magnesium Miracle, Reset for Women's Health, Total Body Reset,
Complete Guide to Mental Wellness, and then IBS for Dummies.
The list goes on and on and on, and you
(04:52):
will hear in this episode just what a wealth of
knowledge she is. She explains things on so many deep levels,
as well as giving practical ways that we can actually
make improvements in our own health without the need for
expensive testing and at home, starting right now. I loved
learning from her. Let's jump in, Doctor Carolyn Dean. Welcome
and thank you so much for being here. This feels
(05:13):
very long overdue.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I've followed you for so long and it is an
absolute honor to finally get to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh that's awesome, and please call me Carolyn Katie.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
All right, I will well, as any long time listeners
or readers know, I have been researching magnesium for over
a decade now. I really feel like it's one of
the most impactful things that we have access to in
the modern world. And you have your depth of knowledge
on this far exceeds minds, which is why I'm so
excited for this conversation. I think there's obviously a thousand
(05:43):
directions we could go. Most people are aware of the
importance of magnesium, but can you give us some foundation
on why magnesium is so important and why deficiency is
so common, especially in the modern world.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Big topic, a huge topic. I'll start with the magnesium
is required for a eighty percent of non metabolic functions,
so head to toe. When you think about it being
involved with muscles and nerves, that's very important. We have
six hundred and forty muscles in the body, all of
which can cramp up if you have a magnesium deficiency.
(06:18):
Nervous system either from you just the anxiety part of
stress and life, or the actual physical nerves can be affected.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You get numbness and tingling.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
If you bring it into the mother population, the pregnant
woman population, magnesium is necessary to keep everything going during
a pregnancy. We're detoxing with magnesium we're relaxing, we're sleeping.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's a slight.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Diuretic for women who are developing a clampsia. If you
go through preaclampsia with a bit of blood pressure, a
bit of edema, and heaven forbid, it goes to a
clampsia where there are even seizures. That's where the doctors
roll out the ivy intravenous magnesium. But they don't seem
(07:11):
to tell women that they need magnesium all through the
pregnancy to prevent those symptoms. So it's a huge disservice
to women that they're not told about magnesium.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And I know you know that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And it seems like so many things that are just
natural in our modern lifestyles kind of work against us
when it comes to maintaining enough magnesium in the body, Like,
at least from what I've read, even just things like
stress or too much caffeine consumption, or sleep disturbances or
like essentially everything we do in the modern world seems
to kind of deplete us of magnesium. But can you
speak to that, Like, why does it seem like we're
(07:48):
facing maybe more than we used to magnesium deficiency.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right, it's not in the soil anymore. Because I'm so
interested in food and organic prower in a good diet.
I have a dietari supplement company, but everything I make
from my company, I put into an organic farm here
in Maui, and we keep people fed in Maui with
(08:13):
our organic farming. But I can't eat entirely off the farm,
even though we have chicken, eggs and about sixty different fruits, vegetables, herbs.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
If I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Take extra magnesium, I get my heart palpitations, bag my
neck tension, headache, leg cramps. There's dozens and dozens of
symptoms you can get from magnesium deficiency. So I know
we're not getting it in the soil.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
When we cook our foods, we.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Burn off the magnesium. When we have stress, we burn
off magnesium. If we get any sort of medical intervention
like a drug, especially medications that have fluoride. If you're
on a medication, look it up online and look for
the chemical formula off your medication.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
If it has.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
An f there that's fluoride. Fluoride drugs will break down
in the intestines, even though that drug companies may say, oh,
it doesn't break down into petri dish. Sure, Okay, this
fluoride that's normally one hundred percent toxic and a poison.
It's okay in your drugs. The microbiome in your testins
(09:23):
breaks down drugs, so that fluoride attaches to whatever available
magnesium you have and makes a compound.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
That is irreversible.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's called cellate magnesium fluoride, and that binds into tendons
and joints and causes I mean, heaven forbid, it's an
FDA black box warning on a certain fluoride drug called cyprofloxacin,
an antibiotic black box warning tendon rupture. And nobody's talking
(09:56):
about this, but common sense puts this my theory together.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
So we've got all these drugs.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You have a surgical procedure, I mean that sometimes comes up,
and the anesthetics that they use, the inhaled anesthetics, one
of them in particular, has several molecules of fluoride. So
there you are under the anesthetic getting this poison. It's
being metabolized, it's taking over your magnesium. And what's a
(10:28):
common reaction to having a surgical procedure. You wake up
with a racing heart or a heart arrhythmia or atrial
fibrillation and then you're put on all those type of
heart medications, whereas it could have been just a magnesium
deficiency that was created stress stress, stress toxins. Even the
Wi Fi. You know, we're all on our black mirrors.
(10:52):
And what happens with the calcium mineral channels is they
get irritated with Wi Fi. And what keeps calcium from
irritating celt is magnesium. Magnesium closes the door on celt
to keep calcium from flooding into the celts. You can
(11:15):
google this, you know, just the words I'm saying, calcium
and Wi Fi and sell calcium cell channels. If you
have enough magnesium, your cells are protected so you don't
get this interference. So I could go on and on
and on. There's so many reasons why we need magnesium.
(11:37):
I guess in the statistic why one hundred years ago
we were getting five hundred milligrams of magnesium from our
diet a daily five hundred. Now we're lucky to get
two hundred. And in the RDAs are saying that women
need three hundred, three hundred and fifty milligrams. I think
(11:58):
we need a least sick. When I was working with
my own magnesium liquid which is non laxative, so I
could take a lot of it. I needed twelve hundred
milligrams to get rid of my heart palpitations. If I
was taking even fifty milligrams of a magnesium compound, I
would get the laxative effect. So what has happened is
(12:23):
we're told magnesium is important. They say three hundred enzyme
processes require magnesium. I've found references that it's up to
eight hundred enzyme processes, so we're not statistically, we're not
being told how important it is. And then, as I said,
(12:44):
all the different interferences with our ability to take on
magnesium and utilize it are making us very magnesium deficient,
to the point where I know.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know this book.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I know it's bout, but it's magnesium the missing link
to total health. I have over sixty five conditions that
I've listed, medical conditions that could be magnesium deficiency. And
what happens with these medical conditions they're treated with drugs,
and maybe seventy five eighty percent of the drugs, the
(13:24):
common drugs that you know really work well are fluoride drugs.
So I already said about the interference of fluoride with
magnesium metabolism. So I know I've gone all over the
world there, Katie, but go ahead, let me know what
you want to know next.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So many great points you just made, and I love
how you like revise that number because I know years
ago that was the number I read as well, three
hundred and in somatic reactions within the body. And it
seems like the more we learn, we just reinforce how
vital magnesium is. And I've also in the data I've seen,
it seems like magnesium deficiency is common population wide, and
I've seen varying estimates of how much of the population
(14:06):
is deficient and magnesium. It seems like women are affected
slightly more, like women are even more likely to be deficient,
just like women are more likely to be affected by
autoimmunity for instance. Do you feel like that is because
like our hormone cycles come into play as well, and
or women tend to carry a lot of stress in
the modern world, or have more demands on our bodies
in our time, or what do you think? Why do
you think women especially are at a higher risk for
(14:27):
magnesium defficiency?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, great question. Hormones.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I've found references that the estrogen increase before the period
during the cycle. Whenever estrogen increases, magnesium drops. During pregnancy,
higher estrogen magnesium drops fifteen to thirty percent, So confirming
(14:52):
we need more women need more magnesium, and women are
under more stress. And we take care of everything. We
see the big picture. We know where everything is in
the house, we know what's going on, so we're constantly engaged.
And with children in the house, we're sleeping at a
(15:18):
level where we can hear a pin drop. I don't
think we get deep sleep when we're aware of someone
who's sick in the house, or when there's a baby
in the house. So we're constantly burning off our magnesium.
Our stress levels are so high. I mean, women talk
about brain fog and I with autoimmune disease. I've often said, well,
(15:43):
it's yeast overgrowth that causes brain fog and magnesium and
mineral deficiencies sidebar, sidebar. Nine minerals are required to make
thyroid hormones, and every woman knows that they get their
thigh were tested when they're pregnant because there's some possibility
(16:03):
that the thyroid will weaken.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Because the fetus is.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Draining your minerals from your body to make the thyroid
of the baby.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Now we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Told that it's oh yeah, that happens. So after even
after the first pregnancy, your thyroid is weakened. You need
these nine minerals, but you're not giving them. What you're
told is, well, your blood tests are okay, let's just wait,
wait until your thyroid crashes, and then we'll give you
(16:36):
thyroid hormone replacement instead of the nine minerals. And of
course the nine minerals include iodine, but it's not just iodine.
You can't just say it's a linear progression to make
these hormones. But just to make the point, you're making
iodine into thyroid hormones. T three means there's three idine molecules,
(17:00):
T four Idimolcou's okay, it's the most important mineral. But
then to create the hormones themselves, you go for I
dying to say selenium, and some people are saying, well,
you know you need selenium for the thyroid, but you
also need boron and copper and manganese and molybdenum ma
and magnesium and calcium. So we're not getting those when
(17:22):
we're eating a diet that is devoid of minerals. What
else where were we going with that?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Katie, come back to me, just why it's more common
in women especially, And of course I like hormones and
pregnancy and all those can create access to ends.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh yeah, they So there's the hormones and there's the
stress and sort of where I'll go with the brain
fog business. It can be east overgrowth. But listen to
this statistic. I just finished my latest book, The Complete
Guide to Mental Health. In the brain, there are eighty
(17:58):
six trillion in neurons, and neuron is just a brain cell,
and all cells have the same constituents. In each neuron,
there are two million mitochondria. In the harsh cells there
are five thousand mitochondria. I used to think the heart
(18:19):
had the most magnesium, and then I find out, well,
in the mitochondria sidebar this. The mitochondria is where we
make energy atp In order to make that energy, you
need magnesium atp is really atp mg that's the energy bucket.
So that means every mitochondria needs a lot of magnesium
(18:44):
to make energy. And you get two million in the
brain and only five thousand in the heart. So that
means when we don't have enough magnesium ore you know,
our brain shuts down. You know, the eyes troupe, the fatigue,
the bombardment, the sensitivity could be because we don't have
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enough magnesium. And for women who aren't getting their sleep,
which insomnia is one of the signs of magnesium deficiency.
For women who are just rushing around all the time,
micromanaging everything, then they need as much magnesium as possible.
But like I said earlier, if you get the laxative
(19:29):
effect from the magnesium you're taking, you're not going to
keep taking it and you will. Actually hear some practitioners say, well,
you know you take your magnesium up to the point
where you get the laxative effect, it means you're saturated.
I'm here to tell you that's not true. I already
said it over fifty milligrams. I was in the toilet.
(19:52):
I had to take twelve hundred milligrams of a non
laxetive magnesium to really saturate me. And minute, I'm feeling
so much better at I'm seventy six, and back when
I was thirty, when I was in the throes of
magnesium deficiency, I felt seventy six.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But right now I feel like I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Thirty, and it's because I have the grounding of the
magnesium for my eight eight hundred enzyme systems eighty percent
of non metabolic functions. So I tell everybody, get your
magnesium in check, in control, in the right proportion, and
(20:34):
whatever's left of your symptoms. Then you go to a
doctor or practitioner a nutritionist to figure out, well, what
am I missing? And it could be that you need
those nine minerals for your thyroid. It could be that
you need some good silver for low grade infections. It
(20:55):
could be that you need your Mega three fatty acids
to make your sell membranes tight and not leaky. It
could be you need some natural antifungals and silver to
take care of yeast overgrowth. And then there's vitamin D
D three of course with K two that we all
(21:17):
need as a vitamin and a hormone or pro hormone,
and vitamin A and E you can throw in there too.
That's what you need for your building blocks for your cells.
You don't need these hundreds of products that are thrown
at us now to supplement our cells. And also what
(21:39):
I say about taking natural basic formulas is you don't
have to stop your drugs. You don't have to stop anything.
You just take your building blocks, and as your body
feels better than any common sense doctor will help you
wean off medications. Because what are stressed out parents and
women on and angiolitics, antidepressants, that's what they're offered.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
When you come and say, oh, I'm just so tired.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And if you make a statement Katie like I just
feel like I'm dying or I feel like killing myself,
the doctor will be triggered to immediately put you on
a drug. I'm going to say, if you overdramatize, I mean,
it's not being dramatic. You know you're suffering. But if
you're trying to make a point with a doctor by
(22:30):
saying words that trigger them, they will put you on drugs.
And they don't know anything from medical school about nutrients.
I didn't learn it in my mid training. I learned
it well beforehand. I was reading all the natural health books.
This was back in the sixties and seventies for Pezzas.
I went to med school in the mid seventies, and
(22:52):
then after my mid training, I did my naturopathic training
and it was just like you know, coming home, I mean,
this is common sense, the building blocks, what's the cause
deep down it's not. Yeah, So I'll leave there, think
you'll go back to you, Katie Well, I definitely am
excited to in a few minutes get to like how
(23:12):
do we maximally support our body and especially when it
comes to magnesium in minerals.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But before we get there, I hear from a lot
of women who are told things like, oh, my doctor
said my magnesium levels are fine, And so I would
love to address like the testing side of this and
how to actually know if you might need magnesium. And
I would guess within that the signs and symptoms to
pay attention to that may or may not show up
on the lab work a doctor might be doing, especially
basic lab work. But can you speak to like, how
(23:37):
do we actually know for ourselves within our own bodies,
our own end of one experiment, if we're lowered magnesium.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yes, it's kind of a common sense thing. When I'm
saying eighty percent of non banditbolic functions. Then you do
a survey, do you have a tight scalp? Do you
have eye twitching? Do you kind of choke when you're
trying to swallow a big supplement which is terrible giving
someone a supplement and they're choking. But you can have
spasms in your softgis. Even hiatus hernia can be a spasm.
(24:07):
Do you have muscle tension? Do you have insomnia? Do
you have leg cramps or even restless legs? Do you
have kind of IBS symptoms where you get consumpation or
diarrhea where the muscularture in your intestines is all off spasm,
So you go through a symptom survey. I have such
(24:29):
a quiz on one of my websites, and it's very
useful because Katie, when you look at magnesium, no matter
what form, my form, or all the other magnesium compounds,
they're safe. The myth about any dangers about magnesium taken
in high levels is intravenous magnesium in a hospital setting
(24:54):
where they've just pushed in too much and it can
overwhelm the electrolytes that help with your heart rhythm. As
for testing, they don't even test for magnesium in a
normal electrolyte panel. It is not there. You get your calcium,
your potassium, your sodium, and no magnesium. Where's magnesium is
(25:18):
the most important mineral? Why it's not there is when
you test magnesium in the serum erum magnesium blood test,
there's only one percent of the total body magnesium in
the blood. So you put your dipstick in and you're
just measuring this tiny little segment and it's got a
(25:39):
very narrow range, and yes, if.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
It's below that normal range.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Then the doctor say, oh, but because magnesium is so
vital for the heart and everything else, the body has
mechanisms where if magnesium goes low in the serum, all
these mechanisms come into play and pull magnesium out of
your bones and your muscles.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it's always going to be in range.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Seriously, what I started using with the RBC magnesium test,
but that's not it. I mean, it's got a wider range.
But it's interesting because then I started looking at it.
The range was I think four point two to six
point five, and a few years later they dropped it
(26:29):
to three point two to maybe six point two.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So what they were doing and what.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Blood tests are is an average of the sick population.
So as the population's magnesium was dropping, they said, oh,
well you're okay if you're three point two. So I
tell people, look, if you get an RBC test, make
it six. You make it as high as you can
because if a doctor sees someone with a three point three,
(27:00):
they will say you are okay. Now, what I've been
doing in my university scientific studies is using ionized magnesium testing,
which is what you want in your cells. It's an
ion of magnesium, and actually that's what my formula is.
It's a pikometer size stabilized ion of magnesium. So when
(27:24):
we do our studies and someone takes a dose of
my pickometer ionized magnesium, you get ions in the blood
and they stay stable and they go into the cells.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
And we've proven in our first.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Study we saved blood for two years and at the
end of two years we redid the ionized magnesium blood
test and found out the values were exactly the same.
So you can store frozen blood and do the test.
So I don't know how long we'll have to wait.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
For this to become a public test.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's only used in IC use, emergency situations and research
facilities right now.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
So those are the three tests.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
The RBC magnesium, as I said, that's you can go
by that because it has a bigger range. But what's crazy,
Katie's red blood cells don't have any mitochondria, so they
don't really bring in the magnesium and utilize magnesium in
their crib cycles because there's no mitochondria there. So I
(28:29):
guess they're just getting magnesium by some sort of diffusion process.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So it's work.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
If you list your symptoms and then you start taking
some magnesium and you see your symptoms dispersed, then then I.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Think that's the way to go.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Because of the failed safeties, though, is the laxative effect.
When I was taking my twelve hundred milligrams for over
a year for all my symptoms, what happened At the
end of that time, everything thing was taken care of.
Then I started to get the laxative effect, and I said, okay,
I'm saturated, so I pulled back. Presently, I'm only taking
(29:10):
three hundred to four hundred and fifty milligrams a day
and I'm fine. If I'm under extra stress, you know,
I might get a you know, my heart might skip
a beat, and Okay, I'll take some more. When I
moved to MAO and started sweating, I needed more magnesium
for example.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So that's the testing. That's such a good point.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And on the sweating site, I've read that people who
are like in hot climates, very active, you sauna a lot.
We can lose more minerals in the span of a
few years than a sedentary person might in a really
long period of time. So that, I think is another indicator,
Like if you do those things often, it might indicate
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And on the lab testing side.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm so glad you brought that up, because I feel
like this is actually relevant to a lot of lab testing.
Like I remember getting so many tests that said my
thyroid levels were normal, and I had to learn there's
a difference between normal and optimal when the ranges are
set by the averages of the people who take the test.
People who get thyroid testing are concerned they have something
wrong with their thyroid, saying with vitamin D, one test
(34:20):
I took said vitamin D level of twenty was fine,
And I know I feel best when I naturally have
a vitamin D level in the eighties or nineties from
sunshine alone, but that's not what the lab tests reflect.
I think with magnesium especially, you make such a compelling
case for like you said, following the symptoms, listening to
your own body, doing your own experimentation, and because of
its safety profile, it seems like we are much more
(34:43):
likely to be deficient and not getting enough than to
be anywhere near that getting too much, especially if we're
not getting intravenous magnesium. So I love to at our
last few minutes for this episode, talk about how do
you recommend people start experimenting with dosing and actually getting
enough magnesium and paying attention to those things they do well.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What I say here in interviews Katie is everybody has
magnesium in their cabinet right now. Everybody knows about magnesium.
You talk about it and oh, yeah, I take magneticum.
But yes, they're not taking it properly. If you have
a capsule, open it up, put it in your drinking
(35:23):
water a lead bottle, and drink that through the day.
Do not just say, oh, they say this type of
magnesium is good for sleep, I'll just take it at night.
The marketing of magnesium is crazy. They're trying to say
a magnesium combination of nine magnesiums is the best thing
(35:45):
in the world. But the body, if it's looking for magnesium,
it has to break down all those magnesiums. What happens
with a compound is it disassociates in the bloodstream. It
separates into a magnesium ile on and then whatever chloride
ion and in the split second before magnesium jumps and
(36:06):
binds to something else, in that split second, you'll get
some absorption into a cell. So you're asking the body
to take these nine different and I don't know. I mean,
I'm just kind of making this up. But is it
more work for the body to separate all these and
then try to get some ions out of it. But
it's just it makes for a good marketing text. They
(36:29):
go on and on, Oh, well, you know, the glyciing
part will help you, or the lactate part will help
you doing these other things. But if you're looking for
a magnesium you want pure magnesium, not all these other
extras you know, attached to the compound. So with anything, though,
(36:51):
what I say is because we're so deficient and we
need so much magnesium, eighty percent of no metabolic functions,
any amount of any magnesium is going to be beneficial.
It's to the point though, I guess because I'm a
medical doctor in natural path and people approached me over
the years because they the last resort. I'm a resort doctor.
(37:17):
So people will beyond medications. They'll have a whole list
of symptoms and conditions and they need I think they
need high doses of magnesium. So it has to be
non laxative. Even magnesium oxide, which they say is four
percent absorbed, and I don't even know if that's absorbed
(37:38):
into the blood or into the cells. They've never done
proper absorption studies on magnesium, but even magnesium oxide. They've
written whole books on the brain effects of magnesium, and
it turns out they're using magnesium oxide. So for the
magnesium AL three in eight people to say that they've
got the only magnesium that go to the blood brain barrier.
(38:01):
I mean that study was a rat study, and they
proved that there was a seven percent increase in magnesium
in the cerebral spinal fluid of these poor rats compared
to magnesium.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
I think it was shit trade.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So on a seven percent difference, they made this whole
million dollar marketing report or whatever that everybody now says
MAGNESIUMAIL three and eight is the best. And they also
confused people by implying that they were using three in
(38:41):
nine magnesium L three three and nine is an amino.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Acid that has mood and brain effects.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, they have three and eight, which is a vitamin
C breakdown product. So the whole marketing was kind of sketchy.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Let's say that makes sense, and so it sounds like
a kind of a synopsis of that is, any magnesium
is better than no magnesium, and there are forms that
are even more available to the body with less work,
and so especially if we're in an intensive recovery or
healing phase where wanting to like maximally nourish ourselves, it
might be wiser to start with those, but to like
not throw the baby out with the bathwater either, Like,
(39:18):
at the end of the day, we likely need more
magnesium than we're getting.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
The body will likely be glad if we.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Get more magnesium. And I'll of course link to your
website because I know you have a tremendous amount of education.
You have blogs and books and podcasts you've done on
these topics as well as the ionic combinations that you've created,
and we're going to get to do another episode to
really go deep on ions, stabilized ions and minerals and
understanding that topic. But for somebody who's like, Okay, I
need magnesium and I want to learn more about it,
(39:44):
where would you send them to start with that?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yes, my website Drkrolyndean dot com has a lot of information.
I do a weekly blog, and for example, our interview
will be listed on my a site so that you
can go through it or people can google my name
and find me. I have a YouTube channel where our
(40:09):
radio show, which we just used to do internally. Now
they forced me to go on camera.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Katie. I avoided her.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
For years, But I mean that what's happened in the
world of dietary supplements. It happened during the COVID years,
where the FDA came down on everybody who implied that
dietari supplements could help your immune system. They came after
me because on my website I would have testimonials like
(40:41):
the eighty year old woman that rushed up to me
at the farmer's market. I run a farm, so I'm
volunteering at my farm stand on Tuesdays. And she said,
I can't believe it. It's been a week. I've been
taking your and I can't even mention the name of
my product. I've been taking your liquid magnesium, and my
life will never be the same. So this is a
(41:04):
famous violinist who was starting to, you know, hunch over
with all the tension her from her musicianships. And she's
a healthy person. She comes and buys the organic food
and does all the good things, but she was magnesium deficient.
So I get these stories all the time that you
(41:26):
propel me and keep this going that a person has
to try something on their own they can't just go
by you can't go by my words because I'm a
different person than you are. So what you do is
try things. You have to do your own experiment. Your
own inequals one experiment and is the number of people
(41:50):
in an experiment. You can do your own experiment, and
that's what we're saying, and educational wise, it's all on
my site.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Perfect put all of those links in. Like you said,
I think that end of one study is the perhaps
the most valuable work we undertake, at least in a
physical sense and when it comes to supporting our body,
and I love that you say that as well. I
will put all of those links in the show notes
for you guys listening on the go. Carolyn, this was
incredible and I'm excited we're going to get to record
another episode that goes deeper on other minerals as well.
(42:21):
But for this episode, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Thank you, Katie, and I thank you for what you're
doing getting the information out there.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Thank you, and thank you as always for listening. And
I hope you joined me again on the next episode
of the Wellness Mama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews,
would you please take two minutes to leave a rating
or review on iTunes. For me, doing this helps more
people to find the podcast, which means even more moms
and families can benefit from the information. I really appreciate
(42:50):
your time and thanks as always for listening.
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