September 23, 2025 • 30 mins
Episode Highlights With Sinclair
- The nervous system connection to gut health and all health issues
- Why it isn’t an accident that everyone is becoming nervous system curious
- How the modern lifestyle isn’t naturally supportive to our nervous systems and things we can do to shift that
- The body is brilliant and is having a perfect response to what is going on… and how we can understand that more
- Most of the body’s communication is happening at the bioelectrical level
- Many chemicals are neurotoxic in nature which means they harm the nervous system
- What Soma support is and how it can benefit the nervous system
- Practices that can support if we have an immune or digestive issue
- We can trust the body’s signals even if we don’t understand them yet and it's never too late to reverse these issues
- Why the body doesn’t allow us to go into healing states if the nervous system doesn’t feel safe
- Understanding the liver and gallbladder connection
- What liver flukes are and how she got rid of them
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to the Wandess Mama podcast. I'm Katie
fromamasmama dot com and I am back today with Sinclair Kanali,
who is an absolute joy to talk to. I'm so
glad I got to do these episodes with her. She's
a wealth of knowledge and in this episode, we build
on our first conversation about parasites and talk about the
real reason your gut health protocol might not be working,
as well as really deep dive on the nervous system
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aspects and how it relates specifically to gut health, to parasites.
INTI healing in all forms, and Sinclair is so well
spoken on all these topics. She is an award winning
authority on all kinds of chronic digestive conditions and symptoms,
CEO of detox Nation and owner of the Selaw Center,
as well as host of the Detox Nation podcast, as
well as a survivor of autoimmunity and some complex health
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issues herself. She has now helped thousands, in fact, over
fifteen thousand people to recover from mysterious chronic symptoms and conditions,
including related to the gut, to deliver it, to parasites,
and much more without like long dependency on medicine. She
also leads a large community focused on self healing and
a toxic world, and she gives some very practical steps
in this episode for supporting the nervous system, our organs,
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what to do when the liver or gallbladder are stressed.
How she personally lost thousands of gallbladderstones and parasites while
she was in her healing phase, and she gives some
really important wisdom and caveats on how to navigate all
of these things in a way that is most can
harmony with your body. Let's jump in out, sin Claire,
welcome back, Thanks for being here again.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Thanks so much for having me Katie. It's a joy
to be with you. Oh, it's a joy to have
you here.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And if you guys listening, if you missed our first
episode together, I will link to it in the show notes.
Sinclair gave so much great information about misconception throughout around
parasites and especially parasite cleansing, and how not understanding these
things can actually be way more stressful on our bodies
and make the problem worse before it gets better, and
so many practical action steps in that episode and in
this one I would love to build on that conversation
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because we touched a little bit on the nervous system
aspect in that first episode, but you really hinted at
this is a really vital piece and not in isolation.
Nervous system alone isn't going to tackle parasites, and in
order to address parasites or seemingly any health issue, we
also have to have an understanding of our nervous system
and befriended. So as background for this conversation, can you
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walk us into how nervous system regulation relates to, for instance,
GOT issues or the parasite things we talked about before,
And I would guess really every health issue in some way.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I love this question, Katie, because it's really empowering when
you learn exactly how your body is made. And we
also want to just gently unpack and let go of
any limited stories that we may have picked up along
the way. So lots of people who are talking about
the nervous system right now. It's another very like trendy
topic and that's great. Like when I started talking about
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this fifteen years ago, nobody cares, So this is really
fun to see everybody get interested in this. But it's
also not an accident that everybody's becoming nervous system curious,
because you're our nervous system is really on the back
foot in this day and age unless we give it
some tender, loving care. It doesn't mean it's not resilient, though.
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So if you've ever accidentally picked up some stories about
your nervous system that it's fragile, that it's reactive, I
just invite you to let those go as of today forward,
because it's just simply not true. Your body is absolutely
brilliant and it is having the perfect response, a very
logical response to the stresses that it's been put under.
So let's stop talking about our nervous systems like they're
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fragile and reactive or broken because we had some bad issues,
some difficult experiences, or because we're in some habits right
now that feel very depleting and feel unwelcome. As soon
as we realize how the nervous system works, we can
let all of that go and just provide some very
gentle support to the body that's free and you can
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start doing today. So the nervous system is responding to
both what's happening bioelectrically in the world because nervous system
is bioelectrical, it's sending a lot of your signals very
very quickly, at the speed of electricity. Right. In fact,
most of your body's communication is happening at the bioelectrical level.
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That's why we call the endoquine system with your hormones
the slow nervous system, because it takes a really long
time to send those chemical messengers very slowly throughout the body.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Your body has.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
To respond instantaneously to the environment, to stresses, to inputs,
and to desires as well from within your inner being.
So how does all that work. Well, it happens really
really quickly, obviously, but we need to understand in order
to support the new nervous system just what kind of
stresses it's been put under. Most of those stresses are
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happening at the electrical level in ways you can't see
around you today, like in the form of EMFs, and
also at the biochemical level, and I want to unpack
both if we have time, because it's directly impacts your gut,
your digestive system, and your immune system. Every single aspect
of each of those systems is governed by the nervous system.
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So even a little bit of dysfunction or stress in
the nervous system is going to directly impact your body's
ability to respond appropriately to issues in the immune system
and also to break down and absorb your.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Food in the digestive tract.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So we really want to live up the nervous system
in this day and age because it's getting an assault
from these chemicals that are coming in on our food, air,
and water, and they have a direct impact on the
nervous system. Most chemicals, heavy metals, and molds are actually
neurotoxic in nature, meaning they directly harm the nervous system.
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Whether they're neuroexcitotoxins like MSG, which sneaks in into so
many processed foods, you know, it hides under so many
different names, or these food dyes that are finally getting
the national attention they deserve, or whether it's mold, which
is also neuroexcitotoxic, so it means they can literally excite
nerves to death, and they can also degrade the mile
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in sheets, meaning that your nervous system was going into
reactive mode a little faster than it's supposed to and
staying there longer. And what that means for you on
a day to day basis is that very quietly, very slowly,
and without your consent, you have become more and more stressed,
and you are more and more likely to stay stressed,
even though your body is hardwired to go back into
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a RESTful state throughout the day and night. That's weird, right.
So as soon as we take a stock of that
and how this has happened slowly, it's actually started back
in the forties. Yes, you could argue started back in
the Industrial Revolution, but when we really started spraying our
food was post World War Two and what they call
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the green Revolution because spraying these petrochemicals they do something
with that oil surplus aff the war made the leaves
greener and darker on the farmer's crap. So they're like, oh, great,
it's called the green Revolution. Let's say it's going to
up your profits. Let's do this, right, But they didn't
realize what it was going to do to our nervous
systems long term and what was going to do to our.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Soil quality long term.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So the impact several decades later is that we're finally
hitting this crucial point that has been generations in the making.
That crucial point is we are depleted so we don't
have the minerals. We need to run our nervous systems
properly and have our nerves fire correctly because of what's
happened to our soil, and we have all these toxins
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creating this overreactivity and this permeability of not just your
gut lining, but every organ lining and even the blood
brain barrier itself. So, yeah, your nervous systems is asking
for some help, but that doesn't mean it's not amazingly resilient.
So it will still respond to vagus nerve stimulation, to
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mental techniques you can do throughout your day what we
call soma support. That's our body of work around this,
and it really responds well to recovering some natural, bioavailable
minerals and then this can start to trickle down into
immune and digestive support as well. So if you have
an immune issue or a digestive issue, we want to
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create some practices that are healing every day for the
nervous system and also recognize that the nervous system is
itself physical, Like let's not ignore the body's needs that
would be bizarrely cruel, Like let's step away from the
influencers they're like, just buy my thousand dollars meditation program.
Sorry to be catty about it, but I want people
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to understand the depth of what their body is asking
for and to really, you know, finally take control of
their own lives.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So that was a long answer. Huh, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Love that, and I think it speaks to the idea
that it's both and in many directions when it comes
to this, Like we hear all those additives about you
can't out supplement a poor diet. You also can't out
anything poor sleep. You can't overrule your nervous system. It's
there for a reason. All of these things are actually
working in our favor. They're doing exactly what they're designed
to do. I know that was I think I got
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to relearn when I was in the experience of autoimmunity,
was rewiring the way I thought about it so that
I could learn to show up and support for my
body rather than doing things inadvertently that were not helpful
because I didn't understand, and I had to learn to
audit my language and move from my body's attacking itself,
which is not very empowering language, to my body knows
exactly what it's doing. And it's always on my side,
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and get curious around what are the ways my body
is specifically asking for support. I think that in general,
beg in a state of curiosity is much more empowering
for one and also lets us listen to those cues
a little bit better. And not to say that you
know it's easy to auto automatically, like intuitively tune in
and know exactly what our body needs. It's I think
often very helpful to have support and life testing in
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all of those things too, And I do think an
important step of that is to befriend our bodies and
our nervous systems and to actually start paying attention from
a positive perspective, not that like my body is broken,
and not to hold on to those stories, because our
bodies listen when we speak like that to ourselves. And
you touched on the electrical and the biochemical, and I
love that you address both. I feel like often even
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in natural pathic medicine or alternative health, people still tend
to like whack a mole with symptoms or like when
someone has to hammer everything's in nails and kind of
single symptoms solution, And I love that your approach is
very holistic. Can you walk us through what some of
these starting points are. I know we kind of went
through some steps in the first episode of making sure
we don't do things out of order and accidentally make
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things worse. But it seems like specific to gut health,
that there are things to understand on the both electrical
and biochemical levels when it comes to that healing process.
And I would guess some of these steps get missed
for people.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah. I think that's a really beautiful way to put that, Katie.
And it's super empowering to understand your body is having
a logical response here to the stress that has been
put under right, so we can actually trust the body
signals even if we don't understand them yet. That's what
I wish someone had told me back when I was
suffering and just because I too had that negative meditation.
My body's failing me, it's against me. How come I
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got the short end of the stick? Blame it on
my DNA And actually it's never too late to reverse
these issues. Have we got a reputation for reversing chronic
gut conditions? I think in part because we were willing
to work directly with the nervous system and enroll it
early on in the process of recovery, and also by
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systematically tackling the blocks to healing. Because your body knows
what to do and we want to work with it.
It just needs some strategic support in the right order.
So thing one to me is always that nervous system
support and understanding the backdrop of irritation and inflammation that
the body is working against, you know, so that we
don't just like you said, play whack them all with
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the symptoms.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Because if you.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Actually go to the root causes first, yes, the symptomology
could be very complex, and you could look very different
from every family member in your home. Each of you
could be displaying a different set of symptoms and suffering,
but it could still be the same root causes. The
root causes are few, the symptom expressions of distress are many,
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so root cause support is actually so much more simple
and systematic. And yeah, of course we'll provide some symptom
relief along the way so you have the energy to
do the work. But that's I think the mean shift
in orientation that everybody needs to make in this day
and age.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So what would that look like.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It looks like acknowledging and respecting that the body knows
how to detax. You're a great detoxer. Don't let any
practitioner tell you you're not a good detoxer. Even if
your DNA report shows some interesting snips, we'll call them interesting,
you know, or it doesn't mean that you don't know
how to detox. If you couldn't detox, you'd be dead.
So it just needs some strategic support for the volume
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and the breath and depth of our toxic exposures today,
and of course that nervous system support along the way.
So other blocks to healing aside from those toxin exposures
and nervous system dysregulation, because if the nervous system doesn't
feel safe, you won't be allowed to go into rest, digest,
detox and heal mode. So you will actually downregulate your
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body's own oxygen supply to the liver. You will downregulate
resources to your digestive tract, you will downregulate resources for
your kidneys, because you literally have made the determination at
the nervous system level it's not safe to do those
normal body processes at this time. We need to instead
send resources to the limbs. We need to send blood
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flow to the limbs and away from our vital organs,
so we can meet the challenge in the moment. And
that's great when you're being chased by the tiger or
dealing with us wrestful meeting or a difficult parent teacher conference,
and you need to be really alert, you know, and
very resourceful whatever the issue is that you're dealing with.
But then we want to go back into that rest,
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digest detox repair default, and so your body needs some encouragement,
almost like a retraining like an athlete, to learn and
remember how to get back there and get the signals
that needs. It's safe to do that right now. We
don't have to wait until the toxins are gone, we
don't have to wait until the parasites are gone in
order to go back into that mode. In fact, we
have to go back into that mode first in order
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to get those guys out. So those are a couple
of those blocks that we were talking about earlier. You know,
why don't people just get well from a simple gut
cleanse anymore? And the parasite piece is a huge part
of that too, So we can unpack that further. We
can also talk about things we haven't even touched on
yet if you want.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, I love that, And I would guess a lot
of people have tried something gut supportive in some form,
even if it's just probatics or a cleans of some sort,
it seems like cle they're also kind of having a
moment in the sun. And I would love for you
to touch on your own experience with this, because I
remember reading that you released thousands of gallstones, which I
think some people don't even realize is actually possible to
do at home. And I know many people who have
had their gallbladders removed because things got so severe. But
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it seems like that also speaks to you just mentioned
the nervous system. If our nervous system isn't in a
place to heal, our organs aren't getting the maximal support
that they need. And I would guess this is actually
probably like a low level problem for a lot of
us that we may not realize until things get really
bad at some point. But I would love to touch
on that part. And certainly if there's any categories we
haven't even dove into yet, I would love to bring
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those to line as well.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, you're right. So when I actually saw Michael, my
fiance is a wonderful researcher, and he's had the far
practice with me in our campus and the sky talking
on YouTube about how he released thousands of stones. And
I'm naturally a skeptic. Michael's very curious and I'm very dismissive.
And he showed me that video and I was like, well,
that doesn't sound real, Inns. And it sounds like he's
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totally lying to live through it. So I totally understand
if it sounds insane. But gallstones, God just means bile.
So not only do you have gallstones in your gallbladder
at the potential for them to form there, but they
can also form in the liver bio ducts themselves, and
you have over two thousand miles of bio ducks in
your liver. Here's the thing about the liver. It's so phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's such a.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hard worker, and it's also really good at compensating that
it can be in distress for years before your markers
will show that distress on normal blood work. In fact,
you can be as down to sixty percent efficiency in
your liver before your markers ever start telling that story.
In fact, I was specifically told, well, your liver's not.
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The issue must be those irish genes of yours, because
we would expect your liver to be in greater distress
than it is right now based on the rest of
your symptoms. I get told that over and over again.
That's weird because my symptoms started to finally resolve when
I tackled parasites, and when I am part of that
process was getting thousands of liver flukes out. I don't
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know how they all fit in there. It was insane.
The CDC says that liver flukes can live for twenty
five to thirty years. And again, you know, when you
look at an enlarged liver, why is it enlarged? What's
enlarging it? Inflammation, yes, but also physical blockages like gallstones
and parasites. Most gallstones are not dense enough to actually
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show up on imagery at this time. You might see
a distortion in the biodecked itself, like, oh, it's distended
right there. That's weird if you're using advanced enough imaging
and it's distended like that because it has a blockage,
and those blockages often stirret as just slower moving bile.
It's a little slow it's a little sticky in viscus.
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Biles should be clean and running quickly through the body.
We you know, supposedly were supposed to make abound thirty
two ounces of bile a day. That's crazy. So you
should always this fresh motor oil that is alkaline in nature,
and it goes into the gall bladder to get condensed
and perfected to meet that stomach acid and blows to
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food right as it hits the small intestine, along with
your pancreatic enzymes and the sodium bicarbonate. It's this gorgeous
digestive dance that happens every time we eat. But what
happens if your liver isn't able to keep up, and
your bile isn't thin enough and fresh enough, your stomach acid,
your stomach nose. I'll say, oh, okay, there's not enough
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support to meet me. I know. I will weaken my
stomach acid, so I'll actually raise the pH so it's
less intense, which means we won't digest our food, we
won't kill our pathogens efficiently or at all, And because
there's nothing to meet me and protect the small intestine,
we'll burn a whole right through that intestine lining if
that bio can't move fast enough. So this is the
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trickle down effect of having bio and moved just a
little too slowly. Before you know it, you have overgrowth
in your gut, you have pathogens that you can't kick,
sibo that comes back no matter what you do. And
it's all started with too many toxins overloading the liver
making these just a little too sluggish.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And now your.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Whole digestive system is off. So you want to understand
and respect that. And most gallstones are just some cholesterol
around some toxins. That's how they all start out, so
very gel like in nature, easy to break up, squish them.
They do condense over time, and the more disregulated your
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body becomes, the more likely they are to become denser
and denser in minerals. But anytime somebody comes to us
in our practice and says, oh, yeah, I have I
showed one gallstone that I'm scared about on my scan,
or I have six gallstones. It's adorable and I don't
want to negate it. It's very real, But chances are
you have hundreds, if not thousands. In addition to that,
they're just not dense enough to see yet, so we
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can get these out gently and naturally at home without
drastic interventions. Body knows what to do and it will
even volunteer them in the toilet if you give it
the right strategies. So this is very different from kidney
stones that can be painful to pass. You can pass
gallstones without even noticing. And that sounds weird to say,
because gall attacks gallbladder attacks can be very painful where
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your gallbladder is seizing. There's that really sharp paining and
it's really scary. But your bile ducks do know how
to dilate and let go of these guys, and we
can also dissolve them and soften them with natural tools
at home along the way to make passing them even easier.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's definitely exciting and hopeful that I've done versions of
like liver gall bladder flushes before, and it's certainly lightening
to see what comes out and better out than and
I suppose though it is definitely surprising your first time
I did it. And you also mentioned liver flukes. Can
you explain what those are for anybody who's not familiar
and what did you do to help them exit your body?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Ah, that's a great question. Okay, So liver flukes might
be my favorite pair. And I know that sounds like
a weird thing to say, but if you've ever had
any upper right quadrant pain in your abdomen, yes, you
might have gallstones and like sluggish bile and inflamed liver,
but that can also just be your parasites.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Talking.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Liver flukes are a class of parasites. Trematodes is the
class name, and the actually several different kinds of flukes,
intestinal flukes, lung flukes, blood flukes, and liver flukes, and
also pancreatic flukes. And they are small and nature They
look like little underwater sea creatures, which means state they
don't all look like worms. In fact, they don't. They're
not shaped like worms. They're shaped like little shellfish and
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weird little livers and mentos. And one of my favorites
is they look like rolled up tomato peels. Like, but
I haven't eaten tomatoes or peppers recently, how come I
have those in my stool wells. That's because they're actually
parasites that form in the shape of your bile ducts.
So liver flukes are really common in the world over.
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There's no continent that doesn't have them. They're super common
here in North America. They come in on your produce
and on undercooked meats and fish.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
So it's not a question.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Of like, if you've been exposed to them, you absolutely have.
It's a question of whether or not you're a good
host for them. Did your immune system see them coming
in and tell them, oh, no, thank you, we won't
have any of those today. Was your stomach acid strong
enough to fight off the pathogens? These are the conditions
that we want to be able to foster so that
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you know your body's protecting itself and maintaining.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Health over time.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
If you weren't able to do that, the liver flukes
will come into your small intestine, viar your food, punch
a hole in your stomach lining, and migrate their way
to the liver. They've got a nose for it, and
bury themselves in your liver. Like I said, the CDC
says that they have a life cycle of twenty five
to thirty years, which is insane. Some liver fluke species,
you can tell how old they are by how dark
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they are, because they darken over time as they steal
more and more of your iron. It's trippy stuff. So yes,
we want to go after them with anti parasitics, but
your body can also start to volunteer them and push
them out with just some basic liver support. So sometimes
you can see them in the toilet just from that alone.
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Sometimes they look like melted jelly ranchers. They look like
little grapefruit seeds with legs on them. I got out
tons of those. They're just bizarre. So that's what liver
flukes are. And yes, and certain anti parasitics work better
than others for them, but we always want to support
the body with energy support and drantage support and liver
protection before ever going after parasites directly.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That makes sense, and you made a really strong case
for that and the order being important and the steps
being really important in our first episode. So if you
guys miss that, make sure you listen. It was super,
super educational. And I'm curious you mentioned parasites exist pretty
much everywhere in the world, especially in North America, even
though we like to be in denial about that, and
that for most of human history this was something people
sort of knew and seasonally addressed. Is this something that
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if people were aware of it. It's worth most people
addressing seas and being proactive about Like it sounds like
you work with many people who have kind of reached
an extreme stage where it's like intervention is necessary in
a very specific way. What are there things we can
all do to support all these areas of the body
that we're talking about, and or to be proactive against
parasites kind of seasonally, or do you have any recommendations
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for that?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh yeah, let's just walk you through some of the steps.
So a lot of people come into like our coarse
rapid liver, we said, because they're trying to save their
gallbladder or recover from a gallbladder surgery that turned out
did not solve all their solutions. So I totally get
if that's you in the audience, It's it's more common
than you think. In fact, you know, one in four
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gallbladder removal surgeries has surgical complications, and forty one percent
of people of gallbladder removals still have abdominal pain and
digestive symptoms persessed.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So you're not too far gone. If that's you, It's okay.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Your liver is so smart and can really compensate very well.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
For that.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
So if I just want to make sure we're not
leaving anybody out that's listening in, you know. But if
you're somebody that's just proactive and you want to make
sure these don't become issues for you, it's a great
idea to do a seasonal liver cleanse and a seasonal
parasite cleanse. So we teach both of those options. Like
in rapid liver Reset, we teach you multiple different liver flushes,
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and it goes for like the massile activation syndrome people
and the line people are extremely sensitive who can't even
look at a supplement without crashing. There's a no flush
flush for them all the way to a deep flush
for people that just want to like make sure they
don't create that tummy tire, you know, whether they're and
a little bit of you know, aging and fast forward,
they're like, huh, maybe my liver's not keeping up. Anytime
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you think you're aging quickly, or you have digestive issues
or you're packing on fat, your metabolism is changing. It's
not just aid. The thyroid in the liver are deeply interconnected.
Think liver support. So, like we mentioned, I believe it
was in the last episode together. Gentle liver support can
be folded in with every meal, so it doesn't have
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to be like a huge event. Think about how to
love your liver all year long. Like dandelion tea is
a great as long as organic practice to do all
year round, just to give your liver a little bit
of love. Cama meal t is also a wonderful digestive
bitter that's highly anti inflammatory. But if you need more
support than that, then yes, I would encourage you to
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look into, you know, our different flush protocols. They're very
gentle to fold in. Like for me, I got out
those fifteen thousand stones over a six month period where
I was doing these. We designed pulse flushes for me,
is what we call them. We would pulse up on
drainage support binders, you know, really strong bidders, and then
I'd go in and do a coffee anema with some
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anti parasitics and I would get out these liver flukes
and these stones. And you can also add things to
coffee animas. If you're more of an advancedent and you're like, yeah,
I do coffee animals already, you can actually add anti
parasitics to your coffee animas. You can even add binders
to your coffee animas to help mop up any you know,
inflammatory response to those toxins being mobilized so that you
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can reduce symptoms. So there's lots and lots of tricks
like that along the way as well. And there's also
suppositories that I love to work with that have stone
breakers in them, like Chanka Pedra, And you can even
make your own suppositories at home if you're adventurous, to
help provide some support. Because herbal formulas can be much
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more impactful if you take them rectally. I know it's
kind of gross, it sounds a little bit advanced, but
you know your herbs will change in composition as they
go through your stomach acid when you take them orally,
so they can have a stronger impact, certain ones like
Chanka Pedra if you take them rectally. So I know,
I'm a giant wiss. All this sounded crazy to me
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in the beginning, but I know because I'm a giant
wiss and I was super sensitive and really unwell that
if I can do it, anybody can do it. So
that's the liver support stuff specifically, And I agree with
you also about the liver, I mean the parasite cleanses
also being beneficial seasonally.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Amazing. I feel like I have a much clearer picture
of all these things in small ways. Like you said,
we can all support our body every day, especially in
the nervous system side, and with that both and also
physically myochemically in the ways that we can support our
organs and our digestion. And I hope we get to
do more episodes in the future because I learn so
much every.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Time I talk to you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But for today, where can people find you if they
want to start, for instance, trying these liver flushes, or
they want to start learning to support their body in
digestion a little bit more in these small ways, Where
would you suggest people start?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's a great question. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Then you can come find us at detox nation dot com.
So I write a lot of blogs there for you
about liver and gall bladder support and all of the
root causes that would lead to digestive dysfunction what you
can do about them too. So mold toxicity, parasites, nervous
system dysregulation, that's all my jam. So come find us there.
There's free assessments for you to start learning more about
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your body and lots and lots of fun free downloads,
and of course we'd love to have you on our podcast, Katie,
because I believe so much in your work. I think
that you are really protecting families some of the most
important information in this day and age. So thank you,
thank you, Thank you for your advocacy in the space
and for taking care of families and empowering them the way.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You do well.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Thank you so much, and for everything you've shared today,
I learned so much. You are an absolute joy to
talk to you, and I hope you get to have
many more conversations in the future, but for today, thank
you so much, and thank you guys as always for
listening and sharing your most valuable assets, your time, your energy,
and your attention with us today.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
We're both so grateful that you did and.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
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your time and thanks as always for listening,
Hello, and welcome to the Wandess Mama podcast. I'm Katie
fromamasmama dot com and I am back today with Sinclair Kanali,
who is an absolute joy to talk to. I'm so
glad I got to do these episodes with her. She's
a wealth of knowledge and in this episode, we build
on our first conversation about parasites and talk about the
real reason your gut health protocol might not be working,
as well as really deep dive on the nervous system
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aspects and how it relates specifically to gut health, to parasites.
INTI healing in all forms, and Sinclair is so well
spoken on all these topics. She is an award winning
authority on all kinds of chronic digestive conditions and symptoms,
CEO of detox Nation and owner of the Selaw Center,
as well as host of the Detox Nation podcast, as
well as a survivor of autoimmunity and some complex health
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issues herself. She has now helped thousands, in fact, over
fifteen thousand people to recover from mysterious chronic symptoms and conditions,
including related to the gut, to deliver it, to parasites,
and much more without like long dependency on medicine. She
also leads a large community focused on self healing and
a toxic world, and she gives some very practical steps
in this episode for supporting the nervous system, our organs,
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what to do when the liver or gallbladder are stressed.
How she personally lost thousands of gallbladderstones and parasites while
she was in her healing phase, and she gives some
really important wisdom and caveats on how to navigate all
of these things in a way that is most can
harmony with your body. Let's jump in out, sin Claire,
welcome back, Thanks for being here again.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Thanks so much for having me Katie. It's a joy
to be with you. Oh, it's a joy to have
you here.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And if you guys listening, if you missed our first
episode together, I will link to it in the show notes.
Sinclair gave so much great information about misconception throughout around
parasites and especially parasite cleansing, and how not understanding these
things can actually be way more stressful on our bodies
and make the problem worse before it gets better, and
so many practical action steps in that episode and in
this one I would love to build on that conversation
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because we touched a little bit on the nervous system
aspect in that first episode, but you really hinted at
this is a really vital piece and not in isolation.
Nervous system alone isn't going to tackle parasites, and in
order to address parasites or seemingly any health issue, we
also have to have an understanding of our nervous system
and befriended. So as background for this conversation, can you
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walk us into how nervous system regulation relates to, for instance,
GOT issues or the parasite things we talked about before,
And I would guess really every health issue in some way.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I love this question, Katie, because it's really empowering when
you learn exactly how your body is made. And we
also want to just gently unpack and let go of
any limited stories that we may have picked up along
the way. So lots of people who are talking about
the nervous system right now. It's another very like trendy
topic and that's great. Like when I started talking about
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this fifteen years ago, nobody cares, So this is really
fun to see everybody get interested in this. But it's
also not an accident that everybody's becoming nervous system curious,
because you're our nervous system is really on the back
foot in this day and age unless we give it
some tender, loving care. It doesn't mean it's not resilient, though.
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So if you've ever accidentally picked up some stories about
your nervous system that it's fragile, that it's reactive, I
just invite you to let those go as of today forward,
because it's just simply not true. Your body is absolutely
brilliant and it is having the perfect response, a very
logical response to the stresses that it's been put under.
So let's stop talking about our nervous systems like they're
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fragile and reactive or broken because we had some bad issues,
some difficult experiences, or because we're in some habits right
now that feel very depleting and feel unwelcome. As soon
as we realize how the nervous system works, we can
let all of that go and just provide some very
gentle support to the body that's free and you can
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start doing today. So the nervous system is responding to
both what's happening bioelectrically in the world because nervous system
is bioelectrical, it's sending a lot of your signals very
very quickly, at the speed of electricity. Right. In fact,
most of your body's communication is happening at the bioelectrical level.
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That's why we call the endoquine system with your hormones
the slow nervous system, because it takes a really long
time to send those chemical messengers very slowly throughout the body.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Your body has.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
To respond instantaneously to the environment, to stresses, to inputs,
and to desires as well from within your inner being.
So how does all that work. Well, it happens really
really quickly, obviously, but we need to understand in order
to support the new nervous system just what kind of
stresses it's been put under. Most of those stresses are
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happening at the electrical level in ways you can't see
around you today, like in the form of EMFs, and
also at the biochemical level, and I want to unpack
both if we have time, because it's directly impacts your gut,
your digestive system, and your immune system. Every single aspect
of each of those systems is governed by the nervous system.
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So even a little bit of dysfunction or stress in
the nervous system is going to directly impact your body's
ability to respond appropriately to issues in the immune system
and also to break down and absorb your.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Food in the digestive tract.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So we really want to live up the nervous system
in this day and age because it's getting an assault
from these chemicals that are coming in on our food, air,
and water, and they have a direct impact on the
nervous system. Most chemicals, heavy metals, and molds are actually
neurotoxic in nature, meaning they directly harm the nervous system.
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Whether they're neuroexcitotoxins like MSG, which sneaks in into so
many processed foods, you know, it hides under so many
different names, or these food dyes that are finally getting
the national attention they deserve, or whether it's mold, which
is also neuroexcitotoxic, so it means they can literally excite
nerves to death, and they can also degrade the mile
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in sheets, meaning that your nervous system was going into
reactive mode a little faster than it's supposed to and
staying there longer. And what that means for you on
a day to day basis is that very quietly, very slowly,
and without your consent, you have become more and more stressed,
and you are more and more likely to stay stressed,
even though your body is hardwired to go back into
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a RESTful state throughout the day and night. That's weird, right.
So as soon as we take a stock of that
and how this has happened slowly, it's actually started back
in the forties. Yes, you could argue started back in
the Industrial Revolution, but when we really started spraying our
food was post World War Two and what they call
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the green Revolution because spraying these petrochemicals they do something
with that oil surplus aff the war made the leaves
greener and darker on the farmer's crap. So they're like, oh, great,
it's called the green Revolution. Let's say it's going to
up your profits. Let's do this, right, But they didn't
realize what it was going to do to our nervous
systems long term and what was going to do to our.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Soil quality long term.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So the impact several decades later is that we're finally
hitting this crucial point that has been generations in the making.
That crucial point is we are depleted so we don't
have the minerals. We need to run our nervous systems
properly and have our nerves fire correctly because of what's
happened to our soil, and we have all these toxins
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creating this overreactivity and this permeability of not just your
gut lining, but every organ lining and even the blood
brain barrier itself. So, yeah, your nervous systems is asking
for some help, but that doesn't mean it's not amazingly resilient.
So it will still respond to vagus nerve stimulation, to
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mental techniques you can do throughout your day what we
call soma support. That's our body of work around this,
and it really responds well to recovering some natural, bioavailable
minerals and then this can start to trickle down into
immune and digestive support as well. So if you have
an immune issue or a digestive issue, we want to
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create some practices that are healing every day for the
nervous system and also recognize that the nervous system is
itself physical, Like let's not ignore the body's needs that
would be bizarrely cruel, Like let's step away from the
influencers they're like, just buy my thousand dollars meditation program.
Sorry to be catty about it, but I want people
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to understand the depth of what their body is asking
for and to really, you know, finally take control of
their own lives.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So that was a long answer. Huh, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Love that, and I think it speaks to the idea
that it's both and in many directions when it comes
to this, Like we hear all those additives about you
can't out supplement a poor diet. You also can't out
anything poor sleep. You can't overrule your nervous system. It's
there for a reason. All of these things are actually
working in our favor. They're doing exactly what they're designed
to do. I know that was I think I got
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to relearn when I was in the experience of autoimmunity,
was rewiring the way I thought about it so that
I could learn to show up and support for my
body rather than doing things inadvertently that were not helpful
because I didn't understand, and I had to learn to
audit my language and move from my body's attacking itself,
which is not very empowering language, to my body knows
exactly what it's doing. And it's always on my side,
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and get curious around what are the ways my body
is specifically asking for support. I think that in general,
beg in a state of curiosity is much more empowering
for one and also lets us listen to those cues
a little bit better. And not to say that you
know it's easy to auto automatically, like intuitively tune in
and know exactly what our body needs. It's I think
often very helpful to have support and life testing in
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all of those things too, And I do think an
important step of that is to befriend our bodies and
our nervous systems and to actually start paying attention from
a positive perspective, not that like my body is broken,
and not to hold on to those stories, because our
bodies listen when we speak like that to ourselves. And
you touched on the electrical and the biochemical, and I
love that you address both. I feel like often even
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in natural pathic medicine or alternative health, people still tend
to like whack a mole with symptoms or like when
someone has to hammer everything's in nails and kind of
single symptoms solution, And I love that your approach is
very holistic. Can you walk us through what some of
these starting points are. I know we kind of went
through some steps in the first episode of making sure
we don't do things out of order and accidentally make
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things worse. But it seems like specific to gut health,
that there are things to understand on the both electrical
and biochemical levels when it comes to that healing process.
And I would guess some of these steps get missed
for people.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah. I think that's a really beautiful way to put that, Katie.
And it's super empowering to understand your body is having
a logical response here to the stress that has been
put under right, so we can actually trust the body
signals even if we don't understand them yet. That's what
I wish someone had told me back when I was
suffering and just because I too had that negative meditation.
My body's failing me, it's against me. How come I
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got the short end of the stick? Blame it on
my DNA And actually it's never too late to reverse
these issues. Have we got a reputation for reversing chronic
gut conditions? I think in part because we were willing
to work directly with the nervous system and enroll it
early on in the process of recovery, and also by
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systematically tackling the blocks to healing. Because your body knows
what to do and we want to work with it.
It just needs some strategic support in the right order.
So thing one to me is always that nervous system
support and understanding the backdrop of irritation and inflammation that
the body is working against, you know, so that we
don't just like you said, play whack them all with
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the symptoms.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Because if you.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Actually go to the root causes first, yes, the symptomology
could be very complex, and you could look very different
from every family member in your home. Each of you
could be displaying a different set of symptoms and suffering,
but it could still be the same root causes. The
root causes are few, the symptom expressions of distress are many,
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so root cause support is actually so much more simple
and systematic. And yeah, of course we'll provide some symptom
relief along the way so you have the energy to
do the work. But that's I think the mean shift
in orientation that everybody needs to make in this day
and age.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So what would that look like.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It looks like acknowledging and respecting that the body knows
how to detax. You're a great detoxer. Don't let any
practitioner tell you you're not a good detoxer. Even if
your DNA report shows some interesting snips, we'll call them interesting,
you know, or it doesn't mean that you don't know
how to detox. If you couldn't detox, you'd be dead.
So it just needs some strategic support for the volume
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and the breath and depth of our toxic exposures today,
and of course that nervous system support along the way.
So other blocks to healing aside from those toxin exposures
and nervous system dysregulation, because if the nervous system doesn't
feel safe, you won't be allowed to go into rest, digest,
detox and heal mode. So you will actually downregulate your
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body's own oxygen supply to the liver. You will downregulate
resources to your digestive tract, you will downregulate resources for
your kidneys, because you literally have made the determination at
the nervous system level it's not safe to do those
normal body processes at this time. We need to instead
send resources to the limbs. We need to send blood
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flow to the limbs and away from our vital organs,
so we can meet the challenge in the moment. And
that's great when you're being chased by the tiger or
dealing with us wrestful meeting or a difficult parent teacher conference,
and you need to be really alert, you know, and
very resourceful whatever the issue is that you're dealing with.
But then we want to go back into that rest,
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digest detox repair default, and so your body needs some encouragement,
almost like a retraining like an athlete, to learn and
remember how to get back there and get the signals
that needs. It's safe to do that right now. We
don't have to wait until the toxins are gone, we
don't have to wait until the parasites are gone in
order to go back into that mode. In fact, we
have to go back into that mode first in order
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to get those guys out. So those are a couple
of those blocks that we were talking about earlier. You know,
why don't people just get well from a simple gut
cleanse anymore? And the parasite piece is a huge part
of that too, So we can unpack that further. We
can also talk about things we haven't even touched on
yet if you want.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, I love that, And I would guess a lot
of people have tried something gut supportive in some form,
even if it's just probatics or a cleans of some sort,
it seems like cle they're also kind of having a
moment in the sun. And I would love for you
to touch on your own experience with this, because I
remember reading that you released thousands of gallstones, which I
think some people don't even realize is actually possible to
do at home. And I know many people who have
had their gallbladders removed because things got so severe. But
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it seems like that also speaks to you just mentioned
the nervous system. If our nervous system isn't in a
place to heal, our organs aren't getting the maximal support
that they need. And I would guess this is actually
probably like a low level problem for a lot of
us that we may not realize until things get really
bad at some point. But I would love to touch
on that part. And certainly if there's any categories we
haven't even dove into yet, I would love to bring
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those to line as well.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, you're right. So when I actually saw Michael, my
fiance is a wonderful researcher, and he's had the far
practice with me in our campus and the sky talking
on YouTube about how he released thousands of stones. And
I'm naturally a skeptic. Michael's very curious and I'm very dismissive.
And he showed me that video and I was like, well,
that doesn't sound real, Inns. And it sounds like he's
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totally lying to live through it. So I totally understand
if it sounds insane. But gallstones, God just means bile.
So not only do you have gallstones in your gallbladder
at the potential for them to form there, but they
can also form in the liver bio ducts themselves, and
you have over two thousand miles of bio ducks in
your liver. Here's the thing about the liver. It's so phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's such a.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hard worker, and it's also really good at compensating that
it can be in distress for years before your markers
will show that distress on normal blood work. In fact,
you can be as down to sixty percent efficiency in
your liver before your markers ever start telling that story.
In fact, I was specifically told, well, your liver's not.
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The issue must be those irish genes of yours, because
we would expect your liver to be in greater distress
than it is right now based on the rest of
your symptoms. I get told that over and over again.
That's weird because my symptoms started to finally resolve when
I tackled parasites, and when I am part of that
process was getting thousands of liver flukes out. I don't
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know how they all fit in there. It was insane.
The CDC says that liver flukes can live for twenty
five to thirty years. And again, you know, when you
look at an enlarged liver, why is it enlarged? What's
enlarging it? Inflammation, yes, but also physical blockages like gallstones
and parasites. Most gallstones are not dense enough to actually
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show up on imagery at this time. You might see
a distortion in the biodecked itself, like, oh, it's distended
right there. That's weird if you're using advanced enough imaging
and it's distended like that because it has a blockage,
and those blockages often stirret as just slower moving bile.
It's a little slow it's a little sticky in viscus.
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Biles should be clean and running quickly through the body.
We you know, supposedly were supposed to make abound thirty
two ounces of bile a day. That's crazy. So you
should always this fresh motor oil that is alkaline in nature,
and it goes into the gall bladder to get condensed
and perfected to meet that stomach acid and blows to
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food right as it hits the small intestine, along with
your pancreatic enzymes and the sodium bicarbonate. It's this gorgeous
digestive dance that happens every time we eat. But what
happens if your liver isn't able to keep up, and
your bile isn't thin enough and fresh enough, your stomach acid,
your stomach nose. I'll say, oh, okay, there's not enough
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support to meet me. I know. I will weaken my
stomach acid, so I'll actually raise the pH so it's
less intense, which means we won't digest our food, we
won't kill our pathogens efficiently or at all, And because
there's nothing to meet me and protect the small intestine,
we'll burn a whole right through that intestine lining if
that bio can't move fast enough. So this is the
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trickle down effect of having bio and moved just a
little too slowly. Before you know it, you have overgrowth
in your gut, you have pathogens that you can't kick,
sibo that comes back no matter what you do. And
it's all started with too many toxins overloading the liver
making these just a little too sluggish.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And now your.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Whole digestive system is off. So you want to understand
and respect that. And most gallstones are just some cholesterol
around some toxins. That's how they all start out, so
very gel like in nature, easy to break up, squish them.
They do condense over time, and the more disregulated your
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body becomes, the more likely they are to become denser
and denser in minerals. But anytime somebody comes to us
in our practice and says, oh, yeah, I have I
showed one gallstone that I'm scared about on my scan,
or I have six gallstones. It's adorable and I don't
want to negate it. It's very real, But chances are
you have hundreds, if not thousands. In addition to that,
they're just not dense enough to see yet, so we
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can get these out gently and naturally at home without
drastic interventions. Body knows what to do and it will
even volunteer them in the toilet if you give it
the right strategies. So this is very different from kidney
stones that can be painful to pass. You can pass
gallstones without even noticing. And that sounds weird to say,
because gall attacks gallbladder attacks can be very painful where
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your gallbladder is seizing. There's that really sharp paining and
it's really scary. But your bile ducks do know how
to dilate and let go of these guys, and we
can also dissolve them and soften them with natural tools
at home along the way to make passing them even easier.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's definitely exciting and hopeful that I've done versions of
like liver gall bladder flushes before, and it's certainly lightening
to see what comes out and better out than and
I suppose though it is definitely surprising your first time
I did it. And you also mentioned liver flukes. Can
you explain what those are for anybody who's not familiar
and what did you do to help them exit your body?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Ah, that's a great question. Okay, So liver flukes might
be my favorite pair. And I know that sounds like
a weird thing to say, but if you've ever had
any upper right quadrant pain in your abdomen, yes, you
might have gallstones and like sluggish bile and inflamed liver,
but that can also just be your parasites.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Talking.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Liver flukes are a class of parasites. Trematodes is the
class name, and the actually several different kinds of flukes,
intestinal flukes, lung flukes, blood flukes, and liver flukes, and
also pancreatic flukes. And they are small and nature They
look like little underwater sea creatures, which means state they
don't all look like worms. In fact, they don't. They're
not shaped like worms. They're shaped like little shellfish and
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weird little livers and mentos. And one of my favorites
is they look like rolled up tomato peels. Like, but
I haven't eaten tomatoes or peppers recently, how come I
have those in my stool wells. That's because they're actually
parasites that form in the shape of your bile ducts.
So liver flukes are really common in the world over.
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There's no continent that doesn't have them. They're super common
here in North America. They come in on your produce
and on undercooked meats and fish.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
So it's not a question.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Of like, if you've been exposed to them, you absolutely have.
It's a question of whether or not you're a good
host for them. Did your immune system see them coming
in and tell them, oh, no, thank you, we won't
have any of those today. Was your stomach acid strong
enough to fight off the pathogens? These are the conditions
that we want to be able to foster so that
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you know your body's protecting itself and maintaining.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Health over time.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
If you weren't able to do that, the liver flukes
will come into your small intestine, viar your food, punch
a hole in your stomach lining, and migrate their way
to the liver. They've got a nose for it, and
bury themselves in your liver. Like I said, the CDC
says that they have a life cycle of twenty five
to thirty years, which is insane. Some liver fluke species,
you can tell how old they are by how dark
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they are, because they darken over time as they steal
more and more of your iron. It's trippy stuff. So yes,
we want to go after them with anti parasitics, but
your body can also start to volunteer them and push
them out with just some basic liver support. So sometimes
you can see them in the toilet just from that alone.
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Sometimes they look like melted jelly ranchers. They look like
little grapefruit seeds with legs on them. I got out
tons of those. They're just bizarre. So that's what liver
flukes are. And yes, and certain anti parasitics work better
than others for them, but we always want to support
the body with energy support and drantage support and liver
protection before ever going after parasites directly.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That makes sense, and you made a really strong case
for that and the order being important and the steps
being really important in our first episode. So if you
guys miss that, make sure you listen. It was super,
super educational. And I'm curious you mentioned parasites exist pretty
much everywhere in the world, especially in North America, even
though we like to be in denial about that, and
that for most of human history this was something people
sort of knew and seasonally addressed. Is this something that
(23:56):
if people were aware of it. It's worth most people
addressing seas and being proactive about Like it sounds like
you work with many people who have kind of reached
an extreme stage where it's like intervention is necessary in
a very specific way. What are there things we can
all do to support all these areas of the body
that we're talking about, and or to be proactive against
parasites kind of seasonally, or do you have any recommendations
(24:18):
for that?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh yeah, let's just walk you through some of the steps.
So a lot of people come into like our coarse
rapid liver, we said, because they're trying to save their
gallbladder or recover from a gallbladder surgery that turned out
did not solve all their solutions. So I totally get
if that's you in the audience, It's it's more common
than you think. In fact, you know, one in four
(24:39):
gallbladder removal surgeries has surgical complications, and forty one percent
of people of gallbladder removals still have abdominal pain and
digestive symptoms persessed.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So you're not too far gone. If that's you, It's okay.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Your liver is so smart and can really compensate very well.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
For that.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
So if I just want to make sure we're not
leaving anybody out that's listening in, you know. But if
you're somebody that's just proactive and you want to make
sure these don't become issues for you, it's a great
idea to do a seasonal liver cleanse and a seasonal
parasite cleanse. So we teach both of those options. Like
in rapid liver Reset, we teach you multiple different liver flushes,
(25:18):
and it goes for like the massile activation syndrome people
and the line people are extremely sensitive who can't even
look at a supplement without crashing. There's a no flush
flush for them all the way to a deep flush
for people that just want to like make sure they
don't create that tummy tire, you know, whether they're and
a little bit of you know, aging and fast forward,
they're like, huh, maybe my liver's not keeping up. Anytime
(25:39):
you think you're aging quickly, or you have digestive issues
or you're packing on fat, your metabolism is changing. It's
not just aid. The thyroid in the liver are deeply interconnected.
Think liver support. So, like we mentioned, I believe it
was in the last episode together. Gentle liver support can
be folded in with every meal, so it doesn't have
(25:59):
to be like a huge event. Think about how to
love your liver all year long. Like dandelion tea is
a great as long as organic practice to do all
year round, just to give your liver a little bit
of love. Cama meal t is also a wonderful digestive
bitter that's highly anti inflammatory. But if you need more
support than that, then yes, I would encourage you to
(26:19):
look into, you know, our different flush protocols. They're very
gentle to fold in. Like for me, I got out
those fifteen thousand stones over a six month period where
I was doing these. We designed pulse flushes for me,
is what we call them. We would pulse up on
drainage support binders, you know, really strong bidders, and then
I'd go in and do a coffee anema with some
(26:40):
anti parasitics and I would get out these liver flukes
and these stones. And you can also add things to
coffee animas. If you're more of an advancedent and you're like, yeah,
I do coffee animals already, you can actually add anti
parasitics to your coffee animas. You can even add binders
to your coffee animas to help mop up any you know,
inflammatory response to those toxins being mobilized so that you
(27:03):
can reduce symptoms. So there's lots and lots of tricks
like that along the way as well. And there's also
suppositories that I love to work with that have stone
breakers in them, like Chanka Pedra, And you can even
make your own suppositories at home if you're adventurous, to
help provide some support. Because herbal formulas can be much
(27:24):
more impactful if you take them rectally. I know it's
kind of gross, it sounds a little bit advanced, but
you know your herbs will change in composition as they
go through your stomach acid when you take them orally,
so they can have a stronger impact, certain ones like
Chanka Pedra if you take them rectally. So I know,
I'm a giant wiss. All this sounded crazy to me
(27:44):
in the beginning, but I know because I'm a giant
wiss and I was super sensitive and really unwell that
if I can do it, anybody can do it. So
that's the liver support stuff specifically, And I agree with
you also about the liver, I mean the parasite cleanses
also being beneficial seasonally.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Amazing. I feel like I have a much clearer picture
of all these things in small ways. Like you said,
we can all support our body every day, especially in
the nervous system side, and with that both and also
physically myochemically in the ways that we can support our
organs and our digestion. And I hope we get to
do more episodes in the future because I learn so
much every.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Time I talk to you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But for today, where can people find you if they
want to start, for instance, trying these liver flushes, or
they want to start learning to support their body in
digestion a little bit more in these small ways, Where
would you suggest people start?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's a great question. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Then you can come find us at detox nation dot com.
So I write a lot of blogs there for you
about liver and gall bladder support and all of the
root causes that would lead to digestive dysfunction what you
can do about them too. So mold toxicity, parasites, nervous
system dysregulation, that's all my jam. So come find us there.
There's free assessments for you to start learning more about
(28:56):
your body and lots and lots of fun free downloads,
and of course we'd love to have you on our podcast, Katie,
because I believe so much in your work. I think
that you are really protecting families some of the most
important information in this day and age. So thank you,
thank you, Thank you for your advocacy in the space
and for taking care of families and empowering them the way.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You do well.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Thank you so much, and for everything you've shared today,
I learned so much. You are an absolute joy to
talk to you, and I hope you get to have
many more conversations in the future, but for today, thank
you so much, and thank you guys as always for
listening and sharing your most valuable assets, your time, your energy,
and your attention with us today.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
We're both so grateful that you did and.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I hope you will join you again on the next
episode with the Wellness On podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews,
would you please take two minutes to leave a rating
or review on iTunes For me, Doing this helps more
people to find the podcast, which means even more moms
and families can benefit from the information. I really appreciate
your time and thanks as always for listening,
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