September 22, 2025 • 41 mins
Episode Highlights With Sinclair
- How she had to personally learn this the hard way and how it was a big piece in her health journey
- The limitations of labs when it comes to parasites and gut health
- Parasites are really good at hiding and the limitations of each lab test
- How anxiety, depression, and fatigue can be connected to parasites
- You aren’t going to outsmart the body in the process of healing and you can’t force your way into healing
- Other symptoms: skin issues, mental health issues, histamine symptoms, food sensitivities, sleep difficulties,
- Why trying to kill parasites before we understand the reasons they are opportunistic can actually make things work
- How to tackle parasites correctly to minimize stress to the body
- Supplements are only about 25% of a parasite protocol
- Important steps, timing, and specifics to understand when addressing parasites
- How to support drainage pathways and really important steps to know
- The liver does over 500 jobs- detox is just one of them, and how to support the liver
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the Wellness Mama podcast. I'm Katie from Welldnessmama dot com
and I really enjoyed this episode with Sinclair Kanali about undiagnosable,
the hidden ways that parasites affect us even when our
labs don't show them, and what we can do about it.
And I feel like she is a very important voice
on this topic because, especially when it comes to parasites,
if we just try to attack parasites without understanding the
(04:40):
other things she explains today, it can actually make things
a lot tougher on the body. And she has amazing
resources on this topic. I know parasites and parasite cleanses
are trending right now and getting a lot of talk
on social media. I feel like her perspective is very
important to really handle this in a way that's synergistic
with our body. And Sinclair is a award winning authority
(05:01):
on all kinds of chronic vis conditions. She's the CEO
of detox Nation and the owner of the Salas Center
and the host of this the highly acclaimed detox Nation podcast,
as well as a survivor of complex autoimmunity and many
other things as well. She's known for her work specifically
in gut health and how she's helped over fifteen thousand
people resolve the root cause behind their chronic and mysterious
(05:23):
health conditions, especially related to gut, liver and parasites. And
you will understand why as soon as you hear her
talk today. She's an absolute wealth of knowledge. I loved
talking to her. He let's join her now, sin Claire, Welcome,
and thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Thanks so much for having me, Katie. I'm excited to
do this me too.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I am beyond excited for this conversation. I've followed your
work for a long time, already learned a lot from you,
and I feel like you have such great knowledge on
specific topics that are really relevant right now, especially and
that a lot of people maybe don't realize or relevant.
So in this first episode, I would love to really
delve into the topic of if someone labs made art
joining parasites or they've been told they don't have parasites,
(06:03):
and why they might still be having symptoms. I know
this is a big topic, but can you talk about
how parasites show up in unexpected ways and sometimes that
people might not associate with having parasites.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, that is such a great question, and it's definitely
something I had to personally learn the hard way. So
you're willing to ask it because I think I could
have shaved years off of my health journey, and you know,
years of suffering honestly, if I had been willing to
look deeper into this and been my own advocate. So
I'm super excited we're doing this today. First of all,
we just want to acknowledge some of the limitations of
(06:35):
labs that are commercially available to us in this time.
So it's very cool that people are getting more educated
about how important gut health is. And it may you
may have already had like a stool test, or you know,
some kind of lab that your end or functional medicine
practitioner encourage you to run, and I just want you
(06:55):
to understand the limitations of those before you make big
decisions about what they said about your body. Because really,
when you're thinking about parasites, the most reliable and the
most thorough thing to do is look at your health history,
your talks and exposures, and the symptomology, because parasites are
really really good at hiding. Let's take us to a map,
for example. And it's not that these are bad or
(07:17):
wrong labs. We just want to acknowledge the limitations of
each lab so that we understand that we're not tripping
over really important clues that the body is giving us.
Just because the lab didn't say these are all of
your parasites. In fact, it would be impossible for a
lab to do that because they're only testing for certain
markers and the parasite genome is vast. There are tens
(07:37):
of thousands of different pathogens and honestly healthy gutbugs that
turn into the pleomorph that's the fancy work term for it,
into an aggressive form when the need arises or when
the conditions are right in the body. So Candida is
not just candida. Healthy. Candida in a healthy body is
actually there to help you maintain balance between it microbes
(08:00):
in the gut, almost like a traffic cop but candida
turns pathogenic, just to pick on this for an example,
because it's so common when there are toxins present. So
we want to understand that. And you know, a bug
is not just a bug. We want to learn the
reason why it's over has an overgrowth in the first place,
and we can unpack some of that today. But when
(08:21):
you look at a stool test, what you're looking at
is only a few markers that have been tested. And
how does that happen? You take one bowel movement, you
ship it into the lab. They take one smidge from
that stool and they spend thirteen seconds or less on it,
and the replication rates for the refindings are less than
(08:41):
fifty percent. It depends on the lab and it depends
on the test. But that's pretty problematic to be able
not able to reproduce the same results less than half
the time. In fact, some labs it's much lower. It's
as low as in the twenties twenty percent mage. So
we just want to manilage the limitations of it. If
you have the money to do it, and you're curious
(09:01):
about what's under the hood, and you want to use
that as an example, that's great, But don't use it
as a big pronouncement of everything that's in your gut,
because you got to think like a parasite is a
parasitees job to make sure that every bound movement has
a dead one of them or one of their eggs
in that stool test, so that a lab technician can
spend thirteen seconds or less looking at it. No, that's
(09:22):
not their job. They don't have to think like that.
They're in the middle of their own life cycles. They're
doing their own things. So it's great if you have
it in the budget, or if you've got something out
of it, like, oh, that's interesting. Now I'm more aware
that I might have h pylori or blasto some of
the things that show up, you know, regularly on these tests.
But let's just take it with a grain of salt
(09:42):
and understand that the gut microbiome is so much more
vast and complex then what can currently show up on
one of those stool tests.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That makes sense and why it can be so elusive
even to try to figure out where to start with this.
And you mentioned your own journey with this and how
you're it might have been a shorter path if you
had known these things early. If you're willing, would you
share a little bit of your own journey, because I
feel like it's both inspirational and really educational for people
who might be experiencing similar things.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, I would love to. The truth is it's not
a pretty story, Like it's deeply upsetting and you know,
financially devastating. I was suffering for many, many years, and
I didn't understand what it was, and I actually thought
that it was my temperament. I thought I was just
a sensitive person, an anxious person, a depressed person, and
that that's why my body was becoming more and more sensitive.
(10:32):
And that's one of the reasons why I'm so passionate
about sharing this work is that, yes, it's a two
way straight between the body. Of course, your body's talking
to you with your symptoms and that's going to affect
your temperament and vice versa. So I don't want anybody
coming up with some big stories about, you know, they've
lost the best of who they are just because they're
not feeling well. This isn't just It's so much bigger
(10:53):
than stress in this day and age, right, So that's
what I wish someone had told me, because I became
a very reactive person, very fragile, emotionally anxious, depressed, and
I was down to three foods at one point, and
my body really didn't get my full attention until I
ended up in the hospital because as part of that
American work ethic of like pushed through work till you're dead,
(11:15):
like you'll rest later, you know, to be useful, let's
make something, you know for other people. And I was
inherently hardwired to take care of other people. So I
definitely missed a lot of the signals along the way
until it was very devastating, and unfortunately, you know, hospitals
don't have great answers for those of us that have
very subtle symptoms creep in slowly over time. Allopathic medicine
(11:40):
is wonderful for interventions that like Okay, we got to
cut something out, or we got to set this bone,
we got to save your life today. Great by all
means God an empty go to a hospital for those things.
But when you're looking at more subtle issues, they're not
going to necessarily show up on blood work, not the
normal metabolic panels. And so I remember the hospital is
being excited when I got admitted into the hospital, like ooh,
(12:03):
we got a live one here, what's this? And how
they lost interest in me and became irritated with me
when scan after scan was inconclusive the tests looked normal,
they started, you know, saying, well, maybe you need to
be on psychmeds. You know, this is obviously an issue
with the neck up. And it was really scary because
when I left that hospital, I thought it was going
(12:24):
home to die. I didn't even bother to check myself out.
I didn't have health insurance. We just walked out and
leaned on Michael. So we walked out into the parking
lot and I got into bed at home. I didn't
get out for six months. And the gas lighting that
happens and the medical system when they don't have an
easy label for you, is profoundly frustrating. But it's also
(12:48):
very scary, you know, because you start to not trust yourself,
and really the information is all there. The body's telling
it to you. The body's brilliant, and it's telling you
that something has gone wrong. In my case, I had
been poisoned, and that's true of so many of us
today because we're living in this era of toxins. That's
why I love your body of work so much. I
think what you're doing to support families is just absolutely
(13:11):
critical in this day and age, because you're really saving people.
You're saving their futures, You're protecting the possibilities for them
and their children by just making these small little shifts.
But for so many of us, we don't realize until
we get a health crash, like, oh, I've actually been
poisoned and I didn't consent to this. I didn't consent
to the processed food that shredded my gut, lining the
(13:32):
herbicides and pesticides that killed a lot of my healthy, happy,
important gut keystone species that inhabited my body's ability to
absorb proteins that created this body wide inflammation. I didn't
consent to live in mold. I didn't understand that a
little mold goes a long way against the backdrop of
all these other toxins, and that that paves the way
for parasites to be running the show. So what happens
(13:59):
for some, so many of us, is that this stuff
creeps in slowly, and we think there's something wrong with us.
And that's true, there is, but not in the way
you think. Your sense of humor is still there. Your brilliance,
your creativity, your natural generosity, your kindness, your natural emotional
centeredness is all still there underneath these inflammatory symptoms that
(14:23):
have crept in along the way. And so many of
those symptoms are actually directly driven by parasites, and your
body can see them. Your body knows they're there, and
it's not an accident that they're allowed to set up shop.
It's that they're acting as toks and sponges for you.
Like that Candida that we were picking on earlier. Candida
can hold several times it's body weight in heavy metals,
(14:45):
it will bloom in the presence of birth control and
antibiotic residues, like it's there to help mop up the mess,
and so are the other parasites and pathogens. So the
more we understand that, the more intelligent we can be
about going after them directly, because do eventually, when the
time was right, need to tackle them head on because
they drive so many symptoms, But we want to respect
(15:07):
the role that they play in the body as we
do that process.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, I feel like that's such a valuable reframe, and
I'm excited to go deeper into the specifics in ways
that people can support the body. I think even understanding
that even though we can think of parasites as bad,
they're actually serving a purpose as well, And like you said,
the body is brilliant. I think that was a big
step for me, was learning to reframe having an autoimmune
disease away from my body's attacking itself to my body
(15:31):
is always working in my best interest, improving right now,
and how do I best love and support my body?
And I think you also brought up a really interesting
point that I would guess a lot of people don't
fully understand when you talked about kind of the mental.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Health side of this.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I would guess a lot of people have the idea
that parasites live in the gut and parasite issues are
more digestive related disturbances. But it sounds like from your
direct experience, and I would guess in your work, this
actually can have really far reaching effects, far beyond just
our digestion. Talk more about that and the symptoms that
can show up, because I feel like that might be
really new information for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that's such a great point, and I really appreciate
you bringing up like the labels that can be applied
to us during this process, because that can feel really scary.
I remember searching so hard and fighting for a diagnosis
for years, like please just give me a label so
that I know that I'm not crazy and so that,
and thinking inherently that a label's going to help set
you free. But in the end that's really often not
(16:27):
the case. As it. I had hashimotos and fibromyalgia and rheuma,
twitter thritis and tinitis and BLME disease and all the coinfections,
and I was told that I would never be well,
And you know, that's scary. When you can't open and
close your hands, when you can't walk to the bathroom,
you can't lift your arms more long enough to brush
your own teeth, it's really scary. But those labels don't
necessarily set you free. It's the understanding the root causes
(16:50):
for the labels, like, for example, these toxins and parasites
and the synergy that they have together to provoke these
inflammatory processes in the body. But you're not going to
override the body or outsmart the body in the process
of healing. You want to understand what the body's own
strategies are for healing and work with it in order
(17:10):
to gently unpack this and dissolve it. You can't force
your way into healing. You actually have to relax your
way into healing. So we can talk about the parasympathetic
nervo system today if we have time, and how crucial
that is in reclaiming your digestive health. But it's really
important to understand that parasites, to answer your question directly,
not just living in the gut, and they're not just
(17:32):
showing up symptoms in the gut. They can be body wide,
and yes, they are really, really stealth masters. They're phenomenal
at hiding out and study of colonies over time, and
they will take advantage of any short term stress that
you have or short term exposures that drop your immune
system strength down, and then they'll really start to run wild.
So when you think about inflammation or stagnation, those are
(17:56):
two primary strategies that parasites have to run your body
to be in control instead of you. They eat at
your table first, so they're always going to hijack your nutrients.
That's why on lab works, some of the signs that
you can see they can point towards parasites, or being
deficient and iron deficient in zinc, low in your vitamin
(18:17):
bees even though you're eating to supplement these things and
you're getting more and more intentional in that. But wait
a minute, I'm eating organic and I'm eating these you know,
healthy produce and you know grass red meats, and you know,
why is this not you know, why isn't the needle
moving Because you're feeding your parasites first. So symptoms of
parasites that are really typical are actually skin issues because
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parasites love to create these inflammatory compounds that show up
as skin distress because the skin's trying to compensate and excrete.
So what would that be ezema, psoriasis, or eseatia, just
getting rashy hy v Any of those histamine driven symptoms
can actually be parasites because they're so good at jacking
up your histamine levels, grease food sensitivities over time, anybody
(19:02):
less tolerant of foods than they used to be and
they're high in histamine or dairy sensitive, or you crave sugar,
or you have more energy at night than you do
in the morning. Spoiler alert, you are still human. Humans
are not night owls. Humans are supposed to be up
with the sun and down with the sun. That's us
at our healthiest and at our best. We're supposed to
(19:23):
have the most energy early in the day, not late
in the day. So if that's flipped for you, think parasites.
Similarly along that line, disruption to your sleep, so difficulty
falling asleep or waking up at night, restlessness, you know,
dreams that are distressing. If you're able to dream, or
if you're not able to dream, that can be a
(19:44):
clue to bruxism. So that's teeth grinding and TMJ sleep apnea,
like the list goes on on. It's amazing those and
we didn't list any get symptoms, but that's usually how
they get your attention. Right. Well, we talked about food sensitivites,
but like bloating, diestive issues like feeling like your food
doesn't move after you eat. That's because one of parasite's
(20:06):
favorite strategies is actually to slow down your gut motility
so they have more time to feed. And also your
food naturally ferments more and then they get more of
those sugars and alcohols get the most out of your food.
So digestion like constipation, diarrhea, or just for fun, alternating
constellation and diarrhea. This can all be clues as well.
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But you're right, one of the things that is I'm
most passionate about is helping people to see the mental
health and parasite connection, because it's so damaging to have
a story about yourself that isn't true. So parasites are
wonderful at creating anxiety. And now we have all these
social media memes now about how we're all socially phobic
and how we talk about our anxiety like it's a
(20:49):
house pet, but that can actually just be driven by
this parasite explosion we're seeing in this day and age,
because parasites interrupt your own production and use of gabba,
which is your calming neurotransmitter. Right, So we want the
ability to rest and settle. Why would parasites do that
Because they don't want you to be able to easily
(21:09):
enter into the right rest, digest, and heal state because
that's when your immune system strengthens and your body goes
to work and does cleanup. So they would rather keep
you a little stressed outside of the parasympathetic dominant state
so that they can run the shew. They also interfere
with your serotonin. They love to eat your serotonin and
steal it from you, and they also interfere with your dopamine.
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So that's both your motivation and your good feelings. So
who are you really if you can't experience your own neurotransmitters,
your own desires, your own ability connect, and your own
ability to rest.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Wow, that was such a good explanation that I would
guess many people listening can resonate with the parts of
your story about medical gaslighting or being told everything's normal
or it's all in their head, or they just needed
birth control or psychiatric medication or whatever the case may be.
And that really detail explanation really seems to indicate to
me that, like, also, parasites aren't something we want to spot,
treat or like just go after as if they're a
(22:07):
symptom and with the sole focus of kill parasites. Because
you just explained how this is all so interconnected, so
I would guess, can people, if they don't know how
to navigate this well, can they actually make it worse
by trying to kill the parasites before their body's ready
to deal with all the reasons that the parasites are
out of control to begin with. Yes, Katie, you totally
hit the nail on the head. This is really important
(22:28):
to understand. We do not want to just go in
and carpet bomb these guys.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know. Yes, they are running the show, and we
don't want them to. We want to get back our
own capacity to digest and rest and detox and connect.
But we don't just their solutions, not just hunt and kill.
In fact, so many people suffer unnecessarily when they get
put on those protocols. It's not that your practitioner, you know,
wants to hurt you. They mean, well, they just took
(22:56):
a week in workshop, or they got introduced to an
herbal or pharmaceutical from their reps, and you know they
get told, oh, this is really great for parasites. Okay, fine.
You know, just because something has the capacity to kill
a small organism or to harm it doesn't mean it's
the right thing for you. The order matters a lot,
(23:18):
and the stack, so your supplement stack matters a lot.
And I would take that even further and say supplements
are about twenty five percent of an anti parasitic protocol,
no more and no less. You can't skip that layer.
But that's it, friends, So we could talk about the
layers of you know what belongs in an anti parasitic
(23:39):
protocol today if you want to or the things outside
of supplementation, you know, wherever you want to go from here?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
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(27:20):
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for a discount. It seems like parasite cleanses are having
(28:05):
kind of a moment of popularity on social media. Maybe
it's just my bubble of social media, but it does
seem like there's a lot of misinformation floating around and
maybe a lot of people are jumping into these more
like harsh cleanses without understanding that other seventy five percent
that you're talking about. Why do you think it is
If it's true that parasite cleanses are getting so much
attention right now.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think it's the social media loop, you know, So
somebody sees a worm in from somebody's toilet, and you know,
that's really eye catching and it's really interesting, and I
think also subconsciously you go, wait a minute, there's more
to my story. And that's a really important instinct, like
you should listen to that instinct. You just want to
be really discerning about which tools you use. So I
(28:46):
totally get why people are interested in this right now,
and I love it they are because we really lost
all of our awareness about parasites, you know through in
the developed world, you know, pretty quickly over just a
couple of decas and it's used to be folded into
the seasons. A seasonal change meant dosing up on anti
parasitic herbs for the whole family and just maintaining health together.
(29:09):
That was a part of seasonal cleansing. It's been understood,
you know in many regions of the world that like
spicy foods or natural anti parasitics. You just want to
be really discerning in this day and age, because remember
we're in the era of toxins. We have fifty x
to our toxin load in just a period of ten years.
That's insane for a body burden for people and that's
(29:30):
both Americans and Europeans. That's pretty interesting. So when you
look at what parasites do for us in the job
they do, and why they're allowed to just explode in
your body right now, it's because they're mopping up the
toxins and they're physically holding them for you. So it's
one of the reasons why we don't just kill because
(29:51):
that will create a retoxification event for you. For the
mercury from your amalgam fillings, from the lead from mom's
lead based paint that she grew, what that got transferred
to you in utero, For the arsenic that was in
your chicken and rice, from the cadmium that's now in
unleaded gasoline, from the mold and micotoxins that you've been
(30:11):
exposed to. And yes, whatever you live through in your
college drum accounts or your childhood basement flooding every year
at all counts, it's all added up in there, all
of the endoquine disruptors from our plastics, you know, the
herbicides and pesticides. If your liver can't get it out
right away, it's going into storage. And one of the
storage units is your parasites. Because otherwise it's going to
(30:32):
end up in you know, if they're if you're lucky,
it'll end up in fat. If a toxin is lipophilic,
and that means your brain, your glands, your fat cells,
your adipose tissue, throughout your body. But you know, other
than that, it's going to be in your vital organs
or in your bones. Like this is not good. So
that's why we don't just go in and explode these guys.
And so I think that the health coaches and the
(30:54):
influencers and the you know, the crunchy mamas that are
out there selling these one product or three product parasite cleanses,
I'm going to give them the benefit of a doubt
until and say, okay, I think they mean well, but
it's very dangerous what they're doing. And we inherit a
lot of people who crash on those protocols and get
they never had diarrhea, they had constipation, Now they have
(31:15):
diarrhea for two years. Like it's this is not a
joke what we're dealing with in this day and age.
And it's not to scare you because this is still
all fixable and it doesn't matter how sensitive you are.
You can always take a step in the right direction.
Let's just be really discerning about the order of those
steps and make sure that the body is supported and
we do safety first, that's all.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think. That's a very hopeful reminder. It's all fixable,
and the body is designed and wired to heal, and
understanding math, we can work with it instead of against it,
hopefully in that process. So I know that there's a
lot of complexity that must go into this, and that
each person might be a little different, and that I
would personally say it would make sense to me to
work with someone who really knows what they're doing and
(31:57):
specific to your case and understand more deeply. But I
would love to touch on some of the points for
people to understand about misconceptions when it comes to parasite
cleanses and those important things to do in the right order,
and or what are the other seventy five percent, like
what factors people not even realize are associated with addressing
a parasite problem.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, it's a great point. So the first place I
would start is, actually, I just have to say one
last thing about these misconceptions, Like we've got to talk
about the nervous system influencers and how misleading they are
because if they're not toxin literate and they got some
relief from finally learning how to use and work with
their nervous system, they start saying really damaging things online
(32:37):
that again are like really harmful to people. If you
don't understand the full picture and you want to specialize
in just one area, that's fine, but acknowledge that the
picture is bigger than you, and stop telling people that
they don't need to look in this direction because you
are never going to tap your way or you know,
(32:58):
have in your way or you know, yoga your way
into a strong and healthy immune system. Once more, if
you actually have a parasite issue, you actually do have
to tackle them head on. So, yes, we want to
work with the nervous system, but you're not going to
like do you know, journal your way and process your
way out of actually supporting the body. Why would you
be so stingy with this vessel? You know, your body
(33:21):
is the vessel for your soul. Why wouldn't we be
kind to it and actually supply it with what it
needs and acknowledge that it is biochemical in nature as
well as bioelectrical bioelectrical, meaning the nervous system. So we
do want to do both. Like if we're going to
tackle our parasites head on, first, we pay attention to
the symptomology. If you have three or more symptoms from
(33:42):
what I'm talking about today, then I strongly encourage you to,
you know, assess this further for yourself. If you have
any food sensitivity, skin issues, digestive issues, sleep issues, mood issues, concentration,
brain fog, you know, these are all great signs that
it's worth exploring further for you. And if that's the case,
well then let's yes, always start with some nervous system
(34:02):
support so that we're acknowledging that the body needs a
little bit of encouragement to get back into rest, digest
and repair mode on a daily basis, because parasites are
so good at stealing the ability to do that from you.
So what would that look like. We have a body
of work called soma support. We've gathered a lot of
our favorite somatic techniques for that, but there's many many
(34:24):
different tools out there. You just use what works for you. Yes,
you can do vagus nerve stimulation, lots of different things
will work for you. We want to fold that in
though we use souch support upon waking, before taking supplements,
before meals, and on the way to bed, and after
a stressful event to retrain the body. It's okay to
let go of stress. It's safe now to rest and
(34:45):
digest in detox. Because as soon as you upregulate the
parasympathetic dominant mode for the body, you're actually upregulating a healthy,
balanced immune system. And that's confusing for a lot of
us that said like, well, system is like on over
alert all the time. I don't need to upregulate my
immune system. Actually you do, because the more one end
(35:09):
of your nervous or your immune system is going ready
for your aim, everything is upsetting ready for your aim,
the more you need to actually restore balance so that
the other side of the immune system can start to
upregulate and say, hey, I see these fungus issues, I
see these parasites, I see the biofilm. I'm going to
tackle it. I'm going to handle it. I'm going to
(35:31):
see them coming in on my food. I'm going to
handle them before they set up shop. And I'm also
going to after the guys that have already set up shop.
So nervous system support is crucial. It's just step one.
We also need to think about making sure that we
have our drainage pathways open. Drainage is not like a
cool sounding word. It's kind of gross, I realize, but
(35:53):
it's absolutely critical for success with parasites. So what do
I mean by that? In biregulatory medicine, we talk about
drainage as our emunctories or our drainage pathways, very closely
related to the concept of detox. So detox is the
process of dealing with toxins in the body. Drainage is
the process of excreting that which is no longer wanted,
(36:15):
so your normal metabolic waste. And also, yes, those toxins
once they've been processed. So we want to drain from
the bottom up. We want some colon support. Make sure
that you're moving your bowels every day. That is thing
number one, two and three to make sure that you
do not have unnecessary reactions when you're doing parasite cleansing,
(36:38):
because if you're not moving your bowels, you are creating
way too much lag time between die off and excretion.
Parasites will start to secrete enzymes as they die to
break down their bodies, which means you are liberating toxins.
So we want lots and lots of drainage support, moving
the colon, moving the small intestine, and yes, supporting your
(36:59):
liver and your lymphatics and protecting your kidneys during this process.
So what would liver support look like. Liver support looks
like digestive bitters, something you can either fold into your meal,
like a arugula is a wonderful bitter. It's my favorite one.
If you're healthy enough to digest a arugula. Some people
aren't by the time they get to pair site work.
(37:19):
That's okay. You can also take an herbal tincture that
is just condensed distilled bitters after twenty minutes before a meal.
Is great because it gets your gas stric juices moving.
It tells your body, okay, we need to get the
stomach acid ready for digestion. We need to get the
bile ready to move and meet the stomach acid and
neutralize it as soon as it gets to the small intestine.
(37:40):
So what else can you do? You want to be
thinking about what are the precursors to detox and drainage
for the liver, because the liver does over five hundred
jobs that's insane. Detox is just one of them. It's
also helping you to digest every aspect of your food.
So when we think about drainag support, we want to
think about globally, how do we keep the liver moved
and soothe it, reduce inflammation, and restore efficiency. So those
(38:05):
are critical pieces, as well as always having the right
binders in place for you to mop up those toxins
that are getting excreted by the parasites. So those are
the crucial precursors before adding in anti parasitics.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, I love that that's all the like before we
actually even start addressing the parasites themselves. And it makes
sense to me, like the stats you talked about in
the modern world, how much our bodies face every day,
that these areas of support are actually really important to
be aware of, even if we're not in an active
parasite problem, Like, these are all things our bodies constantly handling.
And we're going to get to record another episode after
(38:39):
this one, and I really want to end that one
dive deep on the nervous system side too, because I've
said for a long time, even if we don't feel
mentally and emotionally stressed. If our body is getting bombarded
by things in our personal care products or in our
environment or foods that we aren't tolerating, like our nervous
system still perceives stress. It doesn't know the difference between
that and the metaphorical being chased by a tig, and
(39:01):
our modern lives kind of set us up for being
in that state constantly. So it requires a little bit
more awareness to make sure that our body is able
to reach para sympathetic and to actually enter that state
where it's ready to heal to begin with. And I
know you have so many resources and more knowledge than
we could cover in twelve podcasts or hundreds, But if
someone is really wondering if they have a parasite issue,
(39:22):
or they've had some of these kind of unexplained things
and symptoms that have they've been told or normal, or
they've been medically gas lit, where would you recommend that
they start with your resources to start to learn more
and see what their password healing might be.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh, that's a great question. So we have a free
parasite self assessment that you can just take and score yourself,
and you can start to see how your symptoms start
really connect and can be driven by parasites. So that's
where I would start is our free parasite self assessment,
and you can get that on detext nation dot com.
I'm sure we can link in the show notes for you,
(39:55):
but that'll help you on your own self assessment journey.
We want to be in the driver's seat in this
process for ourselves. Yes, use guides like me as navigators,
but the whole point is to get back in control
of your own destiny, and that starts with learning your
body's signals.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I love that, I say often at the end of
the day, we are each our own primary healthcare provider
because we're the one creating the inputs toward our health.
And I love I really believe the best outcomes happen
when someone is in the driver's seat of their own
health and working with someone who has specific knowledge that
helps on that drive. And I love all the information
you put out. I will definitely link to everything we
talked about in the show notes so people can find
you and learn more from you. But I love that
(40:34):
you're bringing such a knowledgeable and balanced voice to what
seems like a lot of sensationalism. That's floating around on
the internet right now and giving people both hope and
a roadmap and encouragement that the body knows how to
heal and when we support it, we can get better.
I'm very excited for our episode too, so you guys
tune in for that one as well. But Sinclair for
this episode, thank you so much for your time. This
was fascinating, and thank you guys as always for listening.
(40:57):
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and I really enjoyed this episode with Sinclair Kanali about undiagnosable,
the hidden ways that parasites affect us even when our
labs don't show them, and what we can do about it.
And I feel like she is a very important voice
on this topic because, especially when it comes to parasites,
if we just try to attack parasites without understanding the
(04:40):
other things she explains today, it can actually make things
a lot tougher on the body. And she has amazing
resources on this topic. I know parasites and parasite cleanses
are trending right now and getting a lot of talk
on social media. I feel like her perspective is very
important to really handle this in a way that's synergistic
with our body. And Sinclair is a award winning authority
(05:01):
on all kinds of chronic vis conditions. She's the CEO
of detox Nation and the owner of the Salas Center
and the host of this the highly acclaimed detox Nation podcast,
as well as a survivor of complex autoimmunity and many
other things as well. She's known for her work specifically
in gut health and how she's helped over fifteen thousand
people resolve the root cause behind their chronic and mysterious
(05:23):
health conditions, especially related to gut, liver and parasites. And
you will understand why as soon as you hear her
talk today. She's an absolute wealth of knowledge. I loved
talking to her. He let's join her now, sin Claire, Welcome,
and thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Thanks so much for having me, Katie. I'm excited to
do this me too.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I am beyond excited for this conversation. I've followed your
work for a long time, already learned a lot from you,
and I feel like you have such great knowledge on
specific topics that are really relevant right now, especially and
that a lot of people maybe don't realize or relevant.
So in this first episode, I would love to really
delve into the topic of if someone labs made art
joining parasites or they've been told they don't have parasites,
(06:03):
and why they might still be having symptoms. I know
this is a big topic, but can you talk about
how parasites show up in unexpected ways and sometimes that
people might not associate with having parasites.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, that is such a great question, and it's definitely
something I had to personally learn the hard way. So
you're willing to ask it because I think I could
have shaved years off of my health journey, and you know,
years of suffering honestly, if I had been willing to
look deeper into this and been my own advocate. So
I'm super excited we're doing this today. First of all,
we just want to acknowledge some of the limitations of
(06:35):
labs that are commercially available to us in this time.
So it's very cool that people are getting more educated
about how important gut health is. And it may you
may have already had like a stool test, or you know,
some kind of lab that your end or functional medicine
practitioner encourage you to run, and I just want you
(06:55):
to understand the limitations of those before you make big
decisions about what they said about your body. Because really,
when you're thinking about parasites, the most reliable and the
most thorough thing to do is look at your health history,
your talks and exposures, and the symptomology, because parasites are
really really good at hiding. Let's take us to a map,
for example. And it's not that these are bad or
(07:17):
wrong labs. We just want to acknowledge the limitations of
each lab so that we understand that we're not tripping
over really important clues that the body is giving us.
Just because the lab didn't say these are all of
your parasites. In fact, it would be impossible for a
lab to do that because they're only testing for certain
markers and the parasite genome is vast. There are tens
(07:37):
of thousands of different pathogens and honestly healthy gutbugs that
turn into the pleomorph that's the fancy work term for it,
into an aggressive form when the need arises or when
the conditions are right in the body. So Candida is
not just candida. Healthy. Candida in a healthy body is
actually there to help you maintain balance between it microbes
(08:00):
in the gut, almost like a traffic cop but candida
turns pathogenic, just to pick on this for an example,
because it's so common when there are toxins present. So
we want to understand that. And you know, a bug
is not just a bug. We want to learn the
reason why it's over has an overgrowth in the first place,
and we can unpack some of that today. But when
(08:21):
you look at a stool test, what you're looking at
is only a few markers that have been tested. And
how does that happen? You take one bowel movement, you
ship it into the lab. They take one smidge from
that stool and they spend thirteen seconds or less on it,
and the replication rates for the refindings are less than
(08:41):
fifty percent. It depends on the lab and it depends
on the test. But that's pretty problematic to be able
not able to reproduce the same results less than half
the time. In fact, some labs it's much lower. It's
as low as in the twenties twenty percent mage. So
we just want to manilage the limitations of it. If
you have the money to do it, and you're curious
(09:01):
about what's under the hood, and you want to use
that as an example, that's great, But don't use it
as a big pronouncement of everything that's in your gut,
because you got to think like a parasite is a
parasitees job to make sure that every bound movement has
a dead one of them or one of their eggs
in that stool test, so that a lab technician can
spend thirteen seconds or less looking at it. No, that's
(09:22):
not their job. They don't have to think like that.
They're in the middle of their own life cycles. They're
doing their own things. So it's great if you have
it in the budget, or if you've got something out
of it, like, oh, that's interesting. Now I'm more aware
that I might have h pylori or blasto some of
the things that show up, you know, regularly on these tests.
But let's just take it with a grain of salt
(09:42):
and understand that the gut microbiome is so much more
vast and complex then what can currently show up on
one of those stool tests.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That makes sense and why it can be so elusive
even to try to figure out where to start with this.
And you mentioned your own journey with this and how
you're it might have been a shorter path if you
had known these things early. If you're willing, would you
share a little bit of your own journey, because I
feel like it's both inspirational and really educational for people
who might be experiencing similar things.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, I would love to. The truth is it's not
a pretty story, Like it's deeply upsetting and you know,
financially devastating. I was suffering for many, many years, and
I didn't understand what it was, and I actually thought
that it was my temperament. I thought I was just
a sensitive person, an anxious person, a depressed person, and
that that's why my body was becoming more and more sensitive.
(10:32):
And that's one of the reasons why I'm so passionate
about sharing this work is that, yes, it's a two
way straight between the body. Of course, your body's talking
to you with your symptoms and that's going to affect
your temperament and vice versa. So I don't want anybody
coming up with some big stories about, you know, they've
lost the best of who they are just because they're
not feeling well. This isn't just It's so much bigger
(10:53):
than stress in this day and age, right, So that's
what I wish someone had told me, because I became
a very reactive person, very fragile, emotionally anxious, depressed, and
I was down to three foods at one point, and
my body really didn't get my full attention until I
ended up in the hospital because as part of that
American work ethic of like pushed through work till you're dead,
(11:15):
like you'll rest later, you know, to be useful, let's
make something, you know for other people. And I was
inherently hardwired to take care of other people. So I
definitely missed a lot of the signals along the way
until it was very devastating, and unfortunately, you know, hospitals
don't have great answers for those of us that have
very subtle symptoms creep in slowly over time. Allopathic medicine
(11:40):
is wonderful for interventions that like Okay, we got to
cut something out, or we got to set this bone,
we got to save your life today. Great by all
means God an empty go to a hospital for those things.
But when you're looking at more subtle issues, they're not
going to necessarily show up on blood work, not the
normal metabolic panels. And so I remember the hospital is
being excited when I got admitted into the hospital, like ooh,
(12:03):
we got a live one here, what's this? And how
they lost interest in me and became irritated with me
when scan after scan was inconclusive the tests looked normal,
they started, you know, saying, well, maybe you need to
be on psychmeds. You know, this is obviously an issue
with the neck up. And it was really scary because
when I left that hospital, I thought it was going
(12:24):
home to die. I didn't even bother to check myself out.
I didn't have health insurance. We just walked out and
leaned on Michael. So we walked out into the parking
lot and I got into bed at home. I didn't
get out for six months. And the gas lighting that
happens and the medical system when they don't have an
easy label for you, is profoundly frustrating. But it's also
(12:48):
very scary, you know, because you start to not trust yourself,
and really the information is all there. The body's telling
it to you. The body's brilliant, and it's telling you
that something has gone wrong. In my case, I had
been poisoned, and that's true of so many of us
today because we're living in this era of toxins. That's
why I love your body of work so much. I
think what you're doing to support families is just absolutely
(13:11):
critical in this day and age, because you're really saving people.
You're saving their futures, You're protecting the possibilities for them
and their children by just making these small little shifts.
But for so many of us, we don't realize until
we get a health crash, like, oh, I've actually been
poisoned and I didn't consent to this. I didn't consent
to the processed food that shredded my gut, lining the
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herbicides and pesticides that killed a lot of my healthy, happy,
important gut keystone species that inhabited my body's ability to
absorb proteins that created this body wide inflammation. I didn't
consent to live in mold. I didn't understand that a
little mold goes a long way against the backdrop of
all these other toxins, and that that paves the way
for parasites to be running the show. So what happens
(13:59):
for some, so many of us, is that this stuff
creeps in slowly, and we think there's something wrong with us.
And that's true, there is, but not in the way
you think. Your sense of humor is still there. Your brilliance,
your creativity, your natural generosity, your kindness, your natural emotional
centeredness is all still there underneath these inflammatory symptoms that
(14:23):
have crept in along the way. And so many of
those symptoms are actually directly driven by parasites, and your
body can see them. Your body knows they're there, and
it's not an accident that they're allowed to set up shop.
It's that they're acting as toks and sponges for you.
Like that Candida that we were picking on earlier. Candida
can hold several times it's body weight in heavy metals,
(14:45):
it will bloom in the presence of birth control and
antibiotic residues, like it's there to help mop up the mess,
and so are the other parasites and pathogens. So the
more we understand that, the more intelligent we can be
about going after them directly, because do eventually, when the
time was right, need to tackle them head on because
they drive so many symptoms, But we want to respect
(15:07):
the role that they play in the body as we
do that process.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, I feel like that's such a valuable reframe, and
I'm excited to go deeper into the specifics in ways
that people can support the body. I think even understanding
that even though we can think of parasites as bad,
they're actually serving a purpose as well, And like you said,
the body is brilliant. I think that was a big
step for me, was learning to reframe having an autoimmune
disease away from my body's attacking itself to my body
(15:31):
is always working in my best interest, improving right now,
and how do I best love and support my body?
And I think you also brought up a really interesting
point that I would guess a lot of people don't
fully understand when you talked about kind of the mental.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Health side of this.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I would guess a lot of people have the idea
that parasites live in the gut and parasite issues are
more digestive related disturbances. But it sounds like from your
direct experience, and I would guess in your work, this
actually can have really far reaching effects, far beyond just
our digestion. Talk more about that and the symptoms that
can show up, because I feel like that might be
really new information for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that's such a great point, and I really appreciate
you bringing up like the labels that can be applied
to us during this process, because that can feel really scary.
I remember searching so hard and fighting for a diagnosis
for years, like please just give me a label so
that I know that I'm not crazy and so that,
and thinking inherently that a label's going to help set
you free. But in the end that's really often not
(16:27):
the case. As it. I had hashimotos and fibromyalgia and rheuma,
twitter thritis and tinitis and BLME disease and all the coinfections,
and I was told that I would never be well,
And you know, that's scary. When you can't open and
close your hands, when you can't walk to the bathroom,
you can't lift your arms more long enough to brush
your own teeth, it's really scary. But those labels don't
necessarily set you free. It's the understanding the root causes
(16:50):
for the labels, like, for example, these toxins and parasites
and the synergy that they have together to provoke these
inflammatory processes in the body. But you're not going to
override the body or outsmart the body in the process
of healing. You want to understand what the body's own
strategies are for healing and work with it in order
(17:10):
to gently unpack this and dissolve it. You can't force
your way into healing. You actually have to relax your
way into healing. So we can talk about the parasympathetic
nervo system today if we have time, and how crucial
that is in reclaiming your digestive health. But it's really
important to understand that parasites, to answer your question directly,
not just living in the gut, and they're not just
(17:32):
showing up symptoms in the gut. They can be body wide,
and yes, they are really, really stealth masters. They're phenomenal
at hiding out and study of colonies over time, and
they will take advantage of any short term stress that
you have or short term exposures that drop your immune
system strength down, and then they'll really start to run wild.
So when you think about inflammation or stagnation, those are
(17:56):
two primary strategies that parasites have to run your body
to be in control instead of you. They eat at
your table first, so they're always going to hijack your nutrients.
That's why on lab works, some of the signs that
you can see they can point towards parasites, or being
deficient and iron deficient in zinc, low in your vitamin
(18:17):
bees even though you're eating to supplement these things and
you're getting more and more intentional in that. But wait
a minute, I'm eating organic and I'm eating these you know,
healthy produce and you know grass red meats, and you know,
why is this not you know, why isn't the needle
moving Because you're feeding your parasites first. So symptoms of
parasites that are really typical are actually skin issues because
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parasites love to create these inflammatory compounds that show up
as skin distress because the skin's trying to compensate and excrete.
So what would that be ezema, psoriasis, or eseatia, just
getting rashy hy v Any of those histamine driven symptoms
can actually be parasites because they're so good at jacking
up your histamine levels, grease food sensitivities over time, anybody
(19:02):
less tolerant of foods than they used to be and
they're high in histamine or dairy sensitive, or you crave sugar,
or you have more energy at night than you do
in the morning. Spoiler alert, you are still human. Humans
are not night owls. Humans are supposed to be up
with the sun and down with the sun. That's us
at our healthiest and at our best. We're supposed to
(19:23):
have the most energy early in the day, not late
in the day. So if that's flipped for you, think parasites.
Similarly along that line, disruption to your sleep, so difficulty
falling asleep or waking up at night, restlessness, you know,
dreams that are distressing. If you're able to dream, or
if you're not able to dream, that can be a
(19:44):
clue to bruxism. So that's teeth grinding and TMJ sleep apnea,
like the list goes on on. It's amazing those and
we didn't list any get symptoms, but that's usually how
they get your attention. Right. Well, we talked about food sensitivites,
but like bloating, diestive issues like feeling like your food
doesn't move after you eat. That's because one of parasite's
(20:06):
favorite strategies is actually to slow down your gut motility
so they have more time to feed. And also your
food naturally ferments more and then they get more of
those sugars and alcohols get the most out of your food.
So digestion like constipation, diarrhea, or just for fun, alternating
constellation and diarrhea. This can all be clues as well.
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But you're right, one of the things that is I'm
most passionate about is helping people to see the mental
health and parasite connection, because it's so damaging to have
a story about yourself that isn't true. So parasites are
wonderful at creating anxiety. And now we have all these
social media memes now about how we're all socially phobic
and how we talk about our anxiety like it's a
(20:49):
house pet, but that can actually just be driven by
this parasite explosion we're seeing in this day and age,
because parasites interrupt your own production and use of gabba,
which is your calming neurotransmitter. Right, So we want the
ability to rest and settle. Why would parasites do that
Because they don't want you to be able to easily
(21:09):
enter into the right rest, digest, and heal state because
that's when your immune system strengthens and your body goes
to work and does cleanup. So they would rather keep
you a little stressed outside of the parasympathetic dominant state
so that they can run the shew. They also interfere
with your serotonin. They love to eat your serotonin and
steal it from you, and they also interfere with your dopamine.
(21:32):
So that's both your motivation and your good feelings. So
who are you really if you can't experience your own neurotransmitters,
your own desires, your own ability connect, and your own
ability to rest.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Wow, that was such a good explanation that I would
guess many people listening can resonate with the parts of
your story about medical gaslighting or being told everything's normal
or it's all in their head, or they just needed
birth control or psychiatric medication or whatever the case may be.
And that really detail explanation really seems to indicate to
me that, like, also, parasites aren't something we want to spot,
treat or like just go after as if they're a
(22:07):
symptom and with the sole focus of kill parasites. Because
you just explained how this is all so interconnected, so
I would guess, can people, if they don't know how
to navigate this well, can they actually make it worse
by trying to kill the parasites before their body's ready
to deal with all the reasons that the parasites are
out of control to begin with. Yes, Katie, you totally
hit the nail on the head. This is really important
(22:28):
to understand. We do not want to just go in
and carpet bomb these guys.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know. Yes, they are running the show, and we
don't want them to. We want to get back our
own capacity to digest and rest and detox and connect.
But we don't just their solutions, not just hunt and kill.
In fact, so many people suffer unnecessarily when they get
put on those protocols. It's not that your practitioner, you know,
wants to hurt you. They mean, well, they just took
(22:56):
a week in workshop, or they got introduced to an
herbal or pharmaceutical from their reps, and you know they
get told, oh, this is really great for parasites. Okay, fine.
You know, just because something has the capacity to kill
a small organism or to harm it doesn't mean it's
the right thing for you. The order matters a lot,
(23:18):
and the stack, so your supplement stack matters a lot.
And I would take that even further and say supplements
are about twenty five percent of an anti parasitic protocol,
no more and no less. You can't skip that layer.
But that's it, friends, So we could talk about the
layers of you know what belongs in an anti parasitic
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of supplementation, you know, wherever you want to go from here?
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kind of a moment of popularity on social media. Maybe
it's just my bubble of social media, but it does
seem like there's a lot of misinformation floating around and
maybe a lot of people are jumping into these more
like harsh cleanses without understanding that other seventy five percent
that you're talking about. Why do you think it is
If it's true that parasite cleanses are getting so much
attention right now.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think it's the social media loop, you know, So
somebody sees a worm in from somebody's toilet, and you know,
that's really eye catching and it's really interesting, and I
think also subconsciously you go, wait a minute, there's more
to my story. And that's a really important instinct, like
you should listen to that instinct. You just want to
be really discerning about which tools you use. So I
(28:46):
totally get why people are interested in this right now,
and I love it they are because we really lost
all of our awareness about parasites, you know through in
the developed world, you know, pretty quickly over just a
couple of decas and it's used to be folded into
the seasons. A seasonal change meant dosing up on anti
parasitic herbs for the whole family and just maintaining health together.
(29:09):
That was a part of seasonal cleansing. It's been understood,
you know in many regions of the world that like
spicy foods or natural anti parasitics. You just want to
be really discerning in this day and age, because remember
we're in the era of toxins. We have fifty x
to our toxin load in just a period of ten years.
That's insane for a body burden for people and that's
(29:30):
both Americans and Europeans. That's pretty interesting. So when you
look at what parasites do for us in the job
they do, and why they're allowed to just explode in
your body right now, it's because they're mopping up the
toxins and they're physically holding them for you. So it's
one of the reasons why we don't just kill because
(29:51):
that will create a retoxification event for you. For the
mercury from your amalgam fillings, from the lead from mom's
lead based paint that she grew, what that got transferred
to you in utero, For the arsenic that was in
your chicken and rice, from the cadmium that's now in
unleaded gasoline, from the mold and micotoxins that you've been
(30:11):
exposed to. And yes, whatever you live through in your
college drum accounts or your childhood basement flooding every year
at all counts, it's all added up in there, all
of the endoquine disruptors from our plastics, you know, the
herbicides and pesticides. If your liver can't get it out
right away, it's going into storage. And one of the
storage units is your parasites. Because otherwise it's going to
(30:32):
end up in you know, if they're if you're lucky,
it'll end up in fat. If a toxin is lipophilic,
and that means your brain, your glands, your fat cells,
your adipose tissue, throughout your body. But you know, other
than that, it's going to be in your vital organs
or in your bones. Like this is not good. So
that's why we don't just go in and explode these guys.
And so I think that the health coaches and the
(30:54):
influencers and the you know, the crunchy mamas that are
out there selling these one product or three product parasite cleanses,
I'm going to give them the benefit of a doubt
until and say, okay, I think they mean well, but
it's very dangerous what they're doing. And we inherit a
lot of people who crash on those protocols and get
they never had diarrhea, they had constipation, Now they have
(31:15):
diarrhea for two years. Like it's this is not a
joke what we're dealing with in this day and age.
And it's not to scare you because this is still
all fixable and it doesn't matter how sensitive you are.
You can always take a step in the right direction.
Let's just be really discerning about the order of those
steps and make sure that the body is supported and
we do safety first, that's all.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think. That's a very hopeful reminder. It's all fixable,
and the body is designed and wired to heal, and
understanding math, we can work with it instead of against it,
hopefully in that process. So I know that there's a
lot of complexity that must go into this, and that
each person might be a little different, and that I
would personally say it would make sense to me to
work with someone who really knows what they're doing and
(31:57):
specific to your case and understand more deeply. But I
would love to touch on some of the points for
people to understand about misconceptions when it comes to parasite
cleanses and those important things to do in the right order,
and or what are the other seventy five percent, like
what factors people not even realize are associated with addressing
a parasite problem.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, it's a great point. So the first place I
would start is, actually, I just have to say one
last thing about these misconceptions, Like we've got to talk
about the nervous system influencers and how misleading they are
because if they're not toxin literate and they got some
relief from finally learning how to use and work with
their nervous system, they start saying really damaging things online
(32:37):
that again are like really harmful to people. If you
don't understand the full picture and you want to specialize
in just one area, that's fine, but acknowledge that the
picture is bigger than you, and stop telling people that
they don't need to look in this direction because you
are never going to tap your way or you know,
(32:58):
have in your way or you know, yoga your way
into a strong and healthy immune system. Once more, if
you actually have a parasite issue, you actually do have
to tackle them head on. So, yes, we want to
work with the nervous system, but you're not going to
like do you know, journal your way and process your
way out of actually supporting the body. Why would you
be so stingy with this vessel? You know, your body
(33:21):
is the vessel for your soul. Why wouldn't we be
kind to it and actually supply it with what it
needs and acknowledge that it is biochemical in nature as
well as bioelectrical bioelectrical, meaning the nervous system. So we
do want to do both. Like if we're going to
tackle our parasites head on, first, we pay attention to
the symptomology. If you have three or more symptoms from
(33:42):
what I'm talking about today, then I strongly encourage you to,
you know, assess this further for yourself. If you have
any food sensitivity, skin issues, digestive issues, sleep issues, mood issues, concentration,
brain fog, you know, these are all great signs that
it's worth exploring further for you. And if that's the case,
well then let's yes, always start with some nervous system
(34:02):
support so that we're acknowledging that the body needs a
little bit of encouragement to get back into rest, digest
and repair mode on a daily basis, because parasites are
so good at stealing the ability to do that from you.
So what would that look like. We have a body
of work called soma support. We've gathered a lot of
our favorite somatic techniques for that, but there's many many
(34:24):
different tools out there. You just use what works for you. Yes,
you can do vagus nerve stimulation, lots of different things
will work for you. We want to fold that in
though we use souch support upon waking, before taking supplements,
before meals, and on the way to bed, and after
a stressful event to retrain the body. It's okay to
let go of stress. It's safe now to rest and
(34:45):
digest in detox. Because as soon as you upregulate the
parasympathetic dominant mode for the body, you're actually upregulating a healthy,
balanced immune system. And that's confusing for a lot of
us that said like, well, system is like on over
alert all the time. I don't need to upregulate my
immune system. Actually you do, because the more one end
(35:09):
of your nervous or your immune system is going ready
for your aim, everything is upsetting ready for your aim,
the more you need to actually restore balance so that
the other side of the immune system can start to
upregulate and say, hey, I see these fungus issues, I
see these parasites, I see the biofilm. I'm going to
tackle it. I'm going to handle it. I'm going to
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see them coming in on my food. I'm going to
handle them before they set up shop. And I'm also
going to after the guys that have already set up shop.
So nervous system support is crucial. It's just step one.
We also need to think about making sure that we
have our drainage pathways open. Drainage is not like a
cool sounding word. It's kind of gross, I realize, but
(35:53):
it's absolutely critical for success with parasites. So what do
I mean by that? In biregulatory medicine, we talk about
drainage as our emunctories or our drainage pathways, very closely
related to the concept of detox. So detox is the
process of dealing with toxins in the body. Drainage is
the process of excreting that which is no longer wanted,
(36:15):
so your normal metabolic waste. And also, yes, those toxins
once they've been processed. So we want to drain from
the bottom up. We want some colon support. Make sure
that you're moving your bowels every day. That is thing
number one, two and three to make sure that you
do not have unnecessary reactions when you're doing parasite cleansing,
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because if you're not moving your bowels, you are creating
way too much lag time between die off and excretion.
Parasites will start to secrete enzymes as they die to
break down their bodies, which means you are liberating toxins.
So we want lots and lots of drainage support, moving
the colon, moving the small intestine, and yes, supporting your
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liver and your lymphatics and protecting your kidneys during this process.
So what would liver support look like. Liver support looks
like digestive bitters, something you can either fold into your meal,
like a arugula is a wonderful bitter. It's my favorite one.
If you're healthy enough to digest a arugula. Some people
aren't by the time they get to pair site work.
(37:19):
That's okay. You can also take an herbal tincture that
is just condensed distilled bitters after twenty minutes before a meal.
Is great because it gets your gas stric juices moving.
It tells your body, okay, we need to get the
stomach acid ready for digestion. We need to get the
bile ready to move and meet the stomach acid and
neutralize it as soon as it gets to the small intestine.
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So what else can you do? You want to be
thinking about what are the precursors to detox and drainage
for the liver, because the liver does over five hundred
jobs that's insane. Detox is just one of them. It's
also helping you to digest every aspect of your food.
So when we think about drainag support, we want to
think about globally, how do we keep the liver moved
and soothe it, reduce inflammation, and restore efficiency. So those
(38:05):
are critical pieces, as well as always having the right
binders in place for you to mop up those toxins
that are getting excreted by the parasites. So those are
the crucial precursors before adding in anti parasitics.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, I love that that's all the like before we
actually even start addressing the parasites themselves. And it makes
sense to me, like the stats you talked about in
the modern world, how much our bodies face every day,
that these areas of support are actually really important to
be aware of, even if we're not in an active
parasite problem, Like, these are all things our bodies constantly handling.
And we're going to get to record another episode after
(38:39):
this one, and I really want to end that one
dive deep on the nervous system side too, because I've
said for a long time, even if we don't feel
mentally and emotionally stressed. If our body is getting bombarded
by things in our personal care products or in our
environment or foods that we aren't tolerating, like our nervous
system still perceives stress. It doesn't know the difference between
that and the metaphorical being chased by a tig, and
(39:01):
our modern lives kind of set us up for being
in that state constantly. So it requires a little bit
more awareness to make sure that our body is able
to reach para sympathetic and to actually enter that state
where it's ready to heal to begin with. And I
know you have so many resources and more knowledge than
we could cover in twelve podcasts or hundreds, But if
someone is really wondering if they have a parasite issue,
(39:22):
or they've had some of these kind of unexplained things
and symptoms that have they've been told or normal, or
they've been medically gas lit, where would you recommend that
they start with your resources to start to learn more
and see what their password healing might be.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh, that's a great question. So we have a free
parasite self assessment that you can just take and score yourself,
and you can start to see how your symptoms start
really connect and can be driven by parasites. So that's
where I would start is our free parasite self assessment,
and you can get that on detext nation dot com.
I'm sure we can link in the show notes for you,
(39:55):
but that'll help you on your own self assessment journey.
We want to be in the driver's seat in this
process for ourselves. Yes, use guides like me as navigators,
but the whole point is to get back in control
of your own destiny, and that starts with learning your
body's signals.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I love that, I say often at the end of
the day, we are each our own primary healthcare provider
because we're the one creating the inputs toward our health.
And I love I really believe the best outcomes happen
when someone is in the driver's seat of their own
health and working with someone who has specific knowledge that
helps on that drive. And I love all the information
you put out. I will definitely link to everything we
talked about in the show notes so people can find
you and learn more from you. But I love that
(40:34):
you're bringing such a knowledgeable and balanced voice to what
seems like a lot of sensationalism. That's floating around on
the internet right now and giving people both hope and
a roadmap and encouragement that the body knows how to
heal and when we support it, we can get better.
I'm very excited for our episode too, so you guys
tune in for that one as well. But Sinclair for
this episode, thank you so much for your time. This
was fascinating, and thank you guys as always for listening.
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