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Hello, and welcome to the WorldWanderers Podcast, a proud part of the
wander Barn podcast network. I'm Ryan, I'm Amanda, and we're your hosts.
We're a traveling couple and digital nomad'staking you on our adventures as we
explore locations, destinations, and careers. Enjoy the show. Hello everyone,
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and welcome back to another episode ofthe World wanders Podcast. We are excited
to be back with you guys todayfor part three of our Argentina series.
And this will be the final partof Argentina because we're talking about the last
part of our trip, which onlyencompassed a couple of days unfortunately. But
we went to the city of BuenosAidas, which is a really popular city.
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I think many of you, mostof you, all of you have
heard of Buenosidis. It is oftenreferred to the Paris of South America.
This is what we've heard, andthis is also what the Internet says.
And I think this is because there'sa lot of European influence. But we'll
probably talk about this in more detail, but I feel like it's got a
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lot of resemblance to Mexico City afterspending so much time there, but before
we dive into our experience. Whydon't I tell you a little bit about
Buenos Aidis. So it's the capitaland largest city of Argentina. It's known
for its vibrant culture, rich history, and as a significant economic and political
center in South America. The populationof this sort of city proper area is
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around three million, but if youinclude the metropolitan area, it jumps to
about fifteen million, which is prettycrazy. So it's one of the largest
urban areas in all of the Americas. So very very big city with a
lot of people from all over theworld. And it's really known for tango
music and dance. It's also knownfor its amazing cuisine. It's very very
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well known for good food. Andthen in terms of geography, just so
you guys know, and of courseyou can google where a ba is in
the world, but it is locatedon the southeastern coast of the South American
continent along the Rio de la Plata, So that is a river, a
big river. There's some places whereyou can't really even like see across,
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yeah, for sure. And ifyou can actually take a ferry across to
Uruguay, so that's kind of howyou can get there. If you don't
want to take a plane, andthat would actually be the most convenient way
I think to get between BA andMonth of Adeo or some of the other
places in Uruguay. But Buena Sidisis also known for it's like amazing climate,
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and this is one of the thingsthat I think has really attracted remote
workers and digital nomads over the lastcouple of years. It's got warm summers,
cool winters, but nothing that's tooextreme. And the city has tons
of green spaces, a lot ofgreat neighborhoods, which we'll talk about later
on, and it's just got alot of distinctive character and great spaces and
stuff. So it was nice whenwe went there because we went at the
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end of November or towards the endof November, which for those of us
from North America that's really late intofall, heading into winter. But that's
like getting into summertime. Like wetalked about in Barrio Looch, we were
supposed to be in Baroloche for springunseasonably cold spring season, but BA delivered
with a good weather. Yeah,it was really nice. When we left
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Baroloche wasn't the nicest weather. Gotkind of accustomed to colder weather and then
showing up in Buenos Aires and gettinglike beautiful sunny weather was awesome. And
this was actually the second time we'dbeen there. So back in twenty fourteen,
when we did our big adventure aroundSouth America, the place we spent
the most time was actually in BuenosAires. We got there March twenty fourteen.
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I think it was like the beginningof April, maybe the first two
weeks of April, and we werethere just over two weeks yep, right
around that, which is funny nowlooking back to be like I felt like
such an extensive amount of time thatwe spent there. We were like got
into a routine and like made friends. That was the longest we stayed anywhere
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on that six month trip, That'swhat I'm saying. Yeah, So,
yeah, experience with the city.It was actually kind of fun going back.
We were staying in like we knewkind of a area that was like
close to where we had been before. But the first time we stayed we
had coordinated a home stay through aSpanish school, and so we couldn't remember
exactly where it was. And thenwe were at a grocery store and we're
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like, I swear we've been herebefore, and then we left and we're
like, oh, yeah, justdown that road is where we had done
our stay before. So one ofour favorite places that we'd been on the
first trip, and somewhere we spenta few weeks. So we were we
wanted to go back. And that'swhy I made a point of it.
Even though the trip at the startwe were like we want to go kind
of mountains nature, we knew like, hey, we're going to be in
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this area, we should go toBuenosidas. And then also just some like
friends stuff also was happening at thetime, so it made a lot of
sense for us. Yeah, forsure. So we left Baroloche on a
Wednesday, I think, like Wednesdaymidday. The flight from Bariloche to Buenasidas
is not long, it's like twohours I think, and so we were
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in Buenos Aidis kind of by thetime that we could check into our airbnb,
which was perfect timing, and thenwe were there until Sunday. I
think we flowed on Sunday. Yeah, And one relevant thing for anybody traveling
to Argentina and especially Buenasidas is there'stwo airports and so we actually had a
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friend who was flying domestically out ofIt's called EAZE, I actually can't remember
the name, which is the maininternational airport, which is like really far
away, and especially with traffic,you can spend like an hour plus sitting
in a cap The other one rightin the center of the city called aeropartk
AEP. So we were lucky enoughto fly in and out of that and
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not have the hassle of having tosit in a car for hours. Yeah.
Absolutely, And so maybe we cantalk a little bit about why we
just went for like, what wasthat three and a half days versus spending
longer there. Do you want totalk about kind of when we were planning,
why we didn't kind of budget moretime for Buenos Aitis, but why
we decided to kind of just goback for a little bit. Yeah,
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I mean, I think for us, the big idea with the trip was
going somewhere we could hike, getoutside do nature stuff. I was going
to be working, and so wealso wanted to be somewhere where you felt
really comfortable going around town with Louise. And I think for us, especially
like this stage of life where we'vegot a young daughter who's starting to run
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around being in big cities is likedefinitely a little bit less attractive than you
to be. So somewhere where we'relike we wouldn't feel comfortable with one of
us, just like taking lou outon our own and maybe not comfortable,
but just that would feel like it'sa stressful experience, like she wants to
run around, like is she goingto take a left and go run into
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traffic. So there was a bigreason. I think we both were like,
oh, we want to go havea few good meals, check it
out, but like we don't reallywant to be there for an extended period
of time. Yeah, And sothe way that we planned our trip was
that we flew during American Thanksgiving,or we went there during American Thanksgiving,
which was super convenient because you hada few days off work without having to
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take additional time off work. Andwe also had, like you mentioned before,
a bunch of friends that were inthe city, so we were able
to you know, hang out withthem, and most of them are Americans,
so they had time off of workas well. We were able to
go to an American Thanksgiving event,which is very very un Argentinian but still
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was super fun. And that typeof thing. So I feel like the
timing worked out really well. Andyeah, I feel like we have a
couple of friends who have kids,and I, you know, I never
fully understood like why they didn't goto these like big major cities, and
now that we have a pretty busytoddler, I definitely understand why smaller places
are a little bit more attractive.And lou was like the Queen of ba
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during those days. She was justlike, we had her stroller, but
so much the time she just wantedto walk and she was just like making
moves through that city. It's abig city. We walked a lot,
We walked many, many, manysteps, and she was like keeping pace,
so pretty impressive for her age.But why don't we start with where
we decided to stay and then alsotalk a little bit about some of the
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other neighborhoods that might be, youknow, good for people to look into,
especially people who are working and traveling. Yeah, so I think the
name anyone is going to hear rightfrom the start is Palermo, and it's
honestly probably where you should stay.And so we stayed in the Palermo area.
There's a number of different like subareas within Palermo. There's Palermo Soho,
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Palermo, Hollywood. I think there'seven other ones. So that kind
of huge section of the city,if you call it all Palermo is probably
where you want to be. That'swhere a ton of the nightlife is restaurants,
And so this time we stayed inPalermo Soho, Right, Yeah,
yeah, we booked an airbnb therethat was off kind of one of the
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main streets. Thankfully, our apartmentwas actually like at the back of the
building because I think it would havebeen quite noisy otherwise. But yeah,
I really liked being in that area. Like it is a bit chaotic when
you kind of like step out intothings because there's just so many people and
things to do. But I feellike most of the restaurants we wanted to
go to, most of the thingswe wanted to do in those few days,
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were just like you know, kindof like maximum like twenty minute walk
away, so it was really handy. We were able to walk like a
ton, and like we said,the climate was really really awesome while we
were we were wanting to be outside. We were like defrosting from our three
weeks in barri lo Ja, andlike I mentioned before. It's just like
a lot of big boulevards, there'sa lot of greenery, there's a lot
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of parks, So it's like areally awesome city to walk around in.
I think you get the best experienceif you can be in a neighborhood where
you feel really comfortable walking and youhave things close by and you're not having
to constantly be either on the metroor in a taxi or whatever. Yeah,
and so Palermo is definitely like theplace where there's more hotels, lots
of Airbnbs, definitely more expensive tobe there than some other places. Some
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other neighborhoods you might hear the nameof Via Crespo, which is really close
to Palermo, Boo, Santelmo,Recoletta, and then one you'll definitely hear
about kind of the center of thecity. And La Boca are kind of
two other areas that are really commonfor people to go visit, but much
less common for people to actually stayin, at least for like the nomad
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touristy crew. So yeah, butwe're definitely not like ba experts, having
only spent a handful of weeks there, but from our experience and like friends
who've spent a longer time kind ofaround the orbit of Palermo's kind of a
nice place to be. M Yeah, absolutely, And so Ba is the
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type of city where you could spendmonths and months and months there and I
think you would certainly not run outof amazing restaurants to try, and I
don't think you'd run out of funthings to do, because it's just so
big and there's just so much cultureand music and amazing stuff there. But
why don't we just talk a littlebit about what we did, And let's
keep in mind we only had threedays and we have a toddler, so
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yeah, I think our biggest thingwas just eating at some good restaurants,
so and walking around lots. Butwe were there from we had so Wednesday
night, Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, right, so four
nights, Yeah, four nights,four meals, And to be honest,
we didn't do a ton other thanwalking around to cafes restaurants. So the
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first day we went, we wentout for dinner. The Thursday night we
had a cool friends Thanksgiving event puttogether, and then Friday night we had
to go out and get some reallygood pizza because of the Italian cultural influence
on Argentina. There's really really goodpizza, so it went out for pizza,
and then Saturday night had to haveone great steak, so we went
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to a restaurant called La Carne Setia, which is one of the most kind
of well known and well recognized steakplaces in the city, and so that
was kind of our Our big thingwas like, what are we going to
do for dinner tonight? Okay,cool, and then pass some time.
We also did one of those hopon, hop off buses, although we
just hopped on and hopped off onetime. It turned out to be a
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bit of a we we should havepicked the route better because I think Lou
was tired of it by the timewe actually got to see anything interesting.
Yeah, so I feel like forcontext, like she so she is two
now at the time of recording,and she was like almost two, I
don't know, nineteen months twenty monthswhen we went, and she was really
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into buses. So she'd go likebus bus and make kind of the a
sign with her hands about buses.So she was pointing out all these buses
and we're like, oh, wellthey've got these, you know, hop
off, hop on, hop offtourist buses. We always used to do
these. These were like our jamback in the day, and I still
think these are a really great wayto get like orientated with a city,
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and especially if you can buy likea weekend pass, it's like you can
just hop on and hop off allday. It's like your transportations covered.
You can just spend your whole daydoing that, And so we decided to
do that. But yeah, Ithink she likes looking at buses more than
she liked being on the bus.And I think after a while it got
a little bit boring. Like herewe're listening to like the sites we're seeing,
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and we're like, you know,learning about the history of Buena Sidis
and like things like that. Butyou know, she's a toddler, so
she's not super into that. SoI feel like that was kind of not
as much of a win win aswe thought it would be. But I
do feel like something we did thatI don't think we did the first time
we were there, maybe it didn'teven exist, was we went to the
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Japanese Gardens. Yes, and thatwas really nice and I feel like that
was a really fun activity to dowith a Toddler. Yes, that would
definitely be on my list for anyonegoing for family travel, and I think
for us because we a number ofyears earlier spent an extended a chunk of
time in the city. We feltlike we'd done, like a lot of
the touristic stuff. We've been toPlasa de Maya, which is where the
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presidential mansion is. We ended upgoing back this time as well to look
at it, and had been tothe Obelisk and seen a lot of the
kind of course stuff. We've beento Loboca, so kind of had this
idea on this Saturday, Oh,We're going to go all the way to
Leboca do a bunch of stuff.Ended up not really working out, and
we're just like, you know,let's pull the plot. Let's go back,
make sure Lee has a good reston the last day. But there's
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definitely tons of stuff you can do. But it is one of those things
that's always interesting when you're traveling iswhen you go to cities they kind of
look similar in size on your map, but a city like Buenosidas is just
gigantic, so you can spend areally long time trying to get from one
place to another place. Yeah,which for anyone listening who travels or has
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traveled with an infant is not superideal. Which again, I'm really happy
we went to Buenosidas, and Ithink we had a really nice time and
I think Lou had a fun time. But we definitely did stick mostly to
our area and kind of places inwalking distance because it's so intimidating to be
like forty five minutes and a uberlike even longer on the metro, Like
that's just such a long trip,and especially when you've got naps and stuff
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like that. Well, we don'talso go to the botanical gardens at one
other point. Yeah, So oneof the things we decided to kind of
do, so outside of obviously doingthat hop on, hop off bus tour,
was we kind of would like walkto maybe a cafe or a restaurant,
have some food, and then we'dwalk to some sort of like a
park area. And this was reallynice with a small child, so we
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did, yeah, botanical gardens,the Japanese Gardens. We found a couple
of really awesome playgrounds. This isthe type of thing that if you do
not have a child, you willnever appreciate, like a good playground.
But if you do have small childrenor children, you know, kind of
up to the like teenage age.Playgrounds are so awesome, and BA had
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a number of great playgrounds and parks. We even found like an awesome dog
park that had like so many dogsin it, which is also fun with
a toddlers. So we kind ofmade it like go somewhere for food,
go walk, find a place toplay, find somewhere that was like nice
to hang out, Maybe go getmore food or go to a cafe,
go back for a rest, dothat all again. And I feel like
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it was nice, Yeah, reallygood. I mean, I think that's
one of the things about the citythat so great is it's a very walkable
city and there's lots of beautiful spacessome ugly spaces as well, just to
clarify, And I think one ofthe things people call it like the Paris
of South America in like turn ofthe century. There was a lot of
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like French influence in the architecture,but it's also very much like a city
in Decay. You can kind ofsee that over time of like the fading
glory of the country, but it'sstill very beautiful and there's lots of beautiful
outdoor spaces like parks, and especiallyon a nice day where it's like low
twenties, you just want to belike outside. So I think walking around
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really anyway you go is cool.And there's so many interesting restaurants and cafes
and shops that you're always getting surprisedby the stuff you're seeing. Yeah.
Absolutely, I feel like just thelike food, cafe culture is so good
NBA. You can just spend somuch time doing that. And of course
all the other attractions like museums,you know, history, the different areas
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that you can explore, like thoseare awesome too. But like Argentina just
does coffee so great that it's likeyou can just go to all these like
amazing cute little cafes, get arite coffee and like wander the neighborhood and
it's such a nice experience. Andyou know, to be quite honest,
going into this portion of the trip, I was a little bit anxious because
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you know, Argentina's going through alot of stuff economically, politically, you
know, at this point, andespecially while we were there, and I
was a bit nervous having you know, such a small child with us.
I wasn't sure, you know,how BA would be impacted. And I
know we talked a little bit aboutthis in our Barreloche episode, where it
was like, if you don't know, you're kind of not really seeing it
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at least from like the surface touristlevel. And I felt really pleasantly surprised
in terms of like safety and cleanliness, and you know, we didn't see
a lot of people on the streets, like there wasn't a lot of people
bagging. And I mentioned earlier thatit really reminded me of Mexico City.
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I feel like it reminds me oflike a like a slightly cleaner, kind
of nicer Mexico City, because ifyou've been to Mexico City, you know,
there's a lot of people trying tosell you things, there's a lot
of people bagging on the streets,There's a lot of areas that can be
quite grungy, even in the nicerareas. And I felt like BA kind
of had a step up from that. I still love Mexico City, so
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nobody hear this as a hate onMexico City. In Mexico City is still
one of my favorite cities in theentire world. But I was just very
pleasantly surprised, you know. Iwasn't sure how it was going to feel,
just with Loo and just how thingswere going to be. If there
was going to be you know,safety or petty crime that we'd have to
worry about, and you should certainlytake precautions in a city that's that big.
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But I felt very comfortable, verysafe there, especially with her.
Yeah, and I think some ofit's cool going to like a major in
metropolitan city is just through access tofoods that from all over the world.
So we've been eating a lot ofsteak and sausage Triso and hamburgers, hamburgers
and pizza in Barrelo Chase, sowe're able to get some good Indian food,
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so Vietnamese food. So just oneof those cities where you're like,
I could stay here and just Ubereats lunch and go out for dinner and
just be super happy. But youcouldn't Uber eats lunch. You would have
to paddos, yeah, or rappyrappy lunch. But yeah, cool city,
what's going on? And I thinkreally just like one of the top
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cities if you're a digital nomad andyou're gonna be working in traveling and want
somewhere to base yourself. Really hardto compete right now with Argentina and with
Buenos Aida is because it's also sucha great hub. So like if you
were looking at somewhere, hey,I want to start going a six month
adventure, kind of have a baseand travel around. Well from there,
you can get all over Argentina quiteeasily. You can get to to Uruguay,
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so tons of cool stuff you cando. And because Argentina goes all
the way from Patagonia to like northbordering on Bolivia, it's very temperature and
climate diverse too, from like hotdesert climate to super cold snowy ski snowboard
climate. You can wine, tasteand eat in a different restaurant every single
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day and have kind of an endlessstream of new and interesting things. I
think for me, maybe as wekind of move into doing a bit of
like just recap on Argentina as awhole, if you were going back and
we were going to like base ourselvessomewhere to do a more extended stay where
it would be the top of yourlist. Are we going back in November?
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When are we going back? Novemberis a good Maybe we're going November
December January February type of thing.Okay, yeah, so I really like
Buenosidis. But I do feel likeall of the considerations we had with like
you working and meaning to work alittle bit and having a toddler who's busy
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and runs around and stuff still comeinto play. I think I would still
choose. I would choose to goto Buenosidas for a long weekend or maybe
even a week long stay. ButI don't think I would choose to base
there simply because it just feels likeso stressful if she decides to have like
a meltdown or doesn't want to goon her stroller, you know whatever,
whatever, toddlers or toddlers. SoI think in this current chapter of life,
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I would probably choose barre Looche ina slightly warmer season, so maybe
like the December January February portion ofthat somewhere in there. And you know,
I'm we haven't been to Cordoba,but I'm really curious about that city.
I would love to go visit there. I think Mendoza to me is
a really great sized city. It'sgot some amazing access to nature, It's
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got access to wineries, you know, great food, beverage, that type
of thing. I think the climateis a bit more temperate than Baroloja is,
so yeah, I feel like thosewould kind of be maybe my top
options. What about you, Yeah, I think I'd be pretty similar like
I would be. I think ina previous life stage would be excited about
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Buenos Aires. But right now,I think finding those second cities kind of
like we've done here in Mexico withCadethato. Like I don't know what the
Cadetho of Argentina is, maybe itdoesn't exist, but a city like that
I've heard, like you mentioned goodthings about Cordoba. I would really just
just love to go back and travelaround more. So it seems like Barreloche
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could be a decent hub for thattoo because of the access to flights to
different places. But yeah, Mentozawould be on the list, So lots
of options for sure. Yeah.I do think if we were in our
like kind of pre baby digital nomadphase, I would a hundred percent say
Buenosidis. Like when we lived inMexico City, I feel like that was
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such a perfect time in life,like chapter of life to do that.
And I feel like for anyone whois maybe like a solo traveler or traveling
just as a couple. You know, ba is A is an amazing hub.
Like there's so many expats that arecoming in and out or spending you
know, the winters there, whilesummers winters if you're from North America summers
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down south there. I feel likethere's just endless amounts of things to eat
and do and see. It's relativelyaffordable, especially for such like a big
main city. So I definitely feellike for me, like probably Bonosidas is
top of the list, just inthis current chapter of life, that's not
what I would choose to do.I also feel like it's worth mentioning.
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You know, we kind of mentionedthat we were eating some food and we
mentioned the one stek restaurant that wasreally awesome. But for anyone who's like
a major foodie, Bonosidas has someof the you know, top rated restaurants
in the world. So if you'regoing for a limited period of time,
like a long weekend or a weekor two weeks like we've done, I
would plan ahead and look at therestaurants that you want to eat at because
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you need reservations for a lot ofthese places. There's some of them that
only take you know, reservations likeonce a year or once a month,
and it's really hard to get them. But Buenos Aidis is like, I
think you can eat amazing food justin general without going to any of the
like top restaurants, or if youjust googled around you restaurants, you'd probably
find a bunch of stuff that islike four point five and above ratings on
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Google. But they also for anyonewho really wants to try these, like
you know, these set menus andstuff like that, they've got a bunch
of those experiences too. You justneed to plan a little bit more ahead
for those. Yeah, and ifsomeone was planning a longer stay, what
are the types of things that maybewe didn't talk about having done, but
you think people should think about doing. All right, So I think going
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to Sentelmo Market is something that isreally fun to do. I remember we
did that when we were there thefirst time. I really wanted to go
back, but it just didn't workout like we said. And then also
going to Leboca. Leboca has kindof this like famous colorful building that people
stand in line to get photos with. I think we have photos with it.
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From twenty fourteen and didn't have tostay in line, but it's gotten
super famous, so I feel likeexploring those areas are definitely worth it.
I would definitely get down to thecity center if you're not staying near there
and see, you know, Plazade Mayo and stuff like that. I
think that going to a soccer ora football game is football is something you
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should definitely do if you're in SouthAmerica, and Argentina is probably like the
top of the list for that.Yeah, one hundred percent, if you're
there during that season. I thinkgetting tickets would be super, super fun.
I think experiencing tango in some way, and if you go to a
bunch of these like neighbors, you'llsee people just doing tango on the street
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and stuff like that. But wewent to an actual like tango show,
like a night show. It's likea dinner show type thing when we were
there the first time, and thatwas a really really cool experience. So
I would definitely recommend experiencing some tango. And then another thing that's really popular
that I think for good reason isgoing to the Recolletta Cemetery. This is
one of the most like incredible cemeterieswe've ever been to or I've ever been
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to. I know, I wentto some really amazing cemeteries when I was
in New Orleans a couple of yearsago, and I think that's the closest
that I've ever seen to rivaling theRecolletta Cemetery, but I would definitely recommend
doing that as well. Yeah,and a couple things that come up for
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me. One, taking a shorttrip to whether it's Colonia or Montevideo and
Uruguay. It's just a ferry rideor right away, so if you've got
a day or weekend, that couldbe a cool thing to do. I
know people talk about it kind ofas a somewhat more seasonal thing, but
t Gray is just outside of BuenosAires, and it's kind of got all
these interesting canals and stuff, sothat can be a really cool day trip.
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One of the interesting things about Argentineis that polo is actually and so
you can go watch like polo matches, which would be I think a cool
experience. And there's probably like theworld's most popular site for that is in
the city, so that would bereally cool to do as well. And
then yeah, maybe seconding the sportingevent, I think there's some really cool,
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So one River Plate in Boca Juniorsor like two famous Argentinian clubs,
So going to one of those,But I think like the biggest one,
the coolest one, would be goingto see the Argentinian national team play somewhere.
Yeah, for sure, I feellike that would be really awesome.
And then I think anything that youcould do around like food experiences, like
doing a cooking class, I thinkwould be really cool. Doing any type
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of like food tour where you gotto try a bunch of the local dishes
would be really interesting. I don'thave a specific recommendation, but I feel
like there's definitely like lots of thatthat you can do. And then there
are a ton of museums. I'mnot going to list them because we haven't
been to a ton of them,but there's a ton of museums. So
if you're somebody who really likes museums, I think you could make like a
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whole trip just around museums in thecity because there's just so much history and
just so much to learn about.So I feel like that's another thing that
if you enjoy museums, definitely dothat. And if you enjoy parks,
kind of like we mentioned, there'sa lot of amazing like gardens and stuff
like that. Yeah, for sure, anything else you want to add before
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you rap, I think just encouragingpeople to get out there see Argentina in
general. I think we were justvery, very I don't know, pleasantly
surprised to revisit these places in Argentina, or maybe we just had a really
great time. I guess you couldsay, I just feel like Argentina is
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awesome. I already want to goback. I feel like there's so much
more to explore there, and soI would just recommend people to add Argentina
to your bucket list if it's notthere already, in particularly Buenos Aires.
Yeah, and it's definitely a longtrip, so it can be cool to
build into something bigger. If you'regoing to go, maybe you go to
Brazil and then Argentina for a bit, or go to Santiago after. But
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there's lots of cool things you cando to kind of expand your trip and
different ways you can get down thereto make it more economical. But this
is the end of our series onArgentina, So if you are planning a
trip down there and have specific questions, let us know hopefully we can answer
them, or we could connect youwith someone who could. And until next
time, thank you for listening.Bye guys, thanks for listening to this
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