Rob McConnell Interviews - BENJAMIN BERNSTEIN - AstroShaman - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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dot com. My guest this hour is Benjamin Bernstein. Benjamin
hosts iTunes number one astrology podcast This Week in Astrology.
In twenty fourteen, he was voted Western North Carolina's Best
Astrologer in wnc's Premier Reading Survey. Benjamin is a professionally
certified astrologer and has done about six thousand astrology and

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shamanic healing sessions with a global clientele. Benjamin has lectured
at three national astrology conferences and has taught at two
national astrology retreats. He has written numerous astrology forecasts for
Natural Awakenings Magazine and wrote the Shamanic astrology chapter in
the twenty thirteen book trans Personal Astrology Explorations at the Frontier.

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Benjamin is also shamanic healer who consistently facilitates powerful healings
and spiritual awakenings in his clients. He has devoted himself
to over thirty years of spiritual practice. His path has
included kiya yoga, Buddhism, Peruvian shamanism, and San Pedro plant

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spirit medicine. Joining me now is Benjamin Bernstein and Benjamin
Welcome to the Xellon. Great having you with us.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's great to be here, Rob, thanks so much for
having me on the show.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
My gosh, you've done so much. Are you sure it's
only taken thirty years?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I believe it's about right.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
My gosh. What started you on your voyage, your quest?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Your journey?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
What got me on the quest?

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
What started you?

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Want your question?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Actually it was all very synchronistic. Let me mention, I'm
getting some weird feedback of my own voice, and if
there's some way to tone that down, it'll be easier
for me to hear you.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Unfortunately that's not on.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Okay, I will, I'll make do. I actually moved here
to Asheville, North Carolina in two thousand and one in
order to be a singer songwriter. Okay, I think I
just figured out the issue. Thank you, And what happened
was nothing went the way I thought it was going to.
I did not make a good career of being a

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professional musician, but I synchronostically started getting interested in astrology
a couple of years after I moved here. By the
time I was ready to throw in the hat as
a professional musician, I was ready to hang out my
shingle as an astrologer. And from there, one thing simply
led to another. I was starting to make some money
as an astrologer. A friend asked me if I wanted

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to attend a shamanic plant spirit ceremony. I did that.
That rocked my world in a huge way. And as
I began to work more intensively with plant teachers like
San Pedro and Ayahuasca, it transformed me. And Ayahuasca herself
eventually called me to be a shaman a healer in
one of the ceremonies. And so one thing has sort

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of secretly led to another. All the things I'm doing
now that I love the most are things I never
had planned in the first place. So it's like I've
sort of surrendered and gone with the flow, and I'm
trying to really be guided by my internal wisdom as
opposed to trying to figure it out from the Benjamin level.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
What effect or what use is ayahuasca when it comes
to the shamanic way.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
For me, it's been incredible. Ayahuasca is an incredibly powerful
plant spirit. I thumbnail here by saying, she's like a vast,
hyper intelligent, multi dimensional awareness that extends everywhere from the
physical tea you drink in ceremony to absolute divine union.
And when you commune with her in ceremony, she can

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speak to you, she can open you to other dimensions
of consciousness, she can give you profound healings. I've heard
many people comment that they felt like they got more
healing in a single night ceremony and they've gotten like
five years of psychotherapy, so it's very exponential. It's very intense.
I definitely recommend people only think about doing ayahuascy if

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they're really called to it and really willing to face
whatever is going to come up in the process. But
for me, it's been, you know, the most powerful healing
and awakening path I've ever walked. So for me, it's
been a profound life changer.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
You know, going through your bio are you have some
very impressive achievements. You host iTunes number one astrology podcast.
You were voted number one astrologer in Western North Carolina.
How did you accomplish all this.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I just sort of kept going, you know. I started
my podcast, you know, just at the beginning, like anyone else.
But I just kept doing it every single week. I
did it the best I could. Astrologically, I have a
Virgo moon, which is all about constant refinement and upgrading.
So I just anytime I thought of a way to
make it better, I would just make it better somehow,

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and just that sheer persistence over a number of years.
You know, the podcast has been going now for eight
or nine years, and you just keep doing it. You
keep doing it the best you can, make it better
and better, and it just gets quality over time.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
See, I appreciate people like you who do not give up.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, it's this. What I do is my life's work.
You know, I'm really privileged that what I do for
a living is what gives me the greatest joy. I
economically say my work is the biggest fun I have.
So to be able to have life purpose and career
be the same thing as an exceptional privilege.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
You know, I've done that. I've been doing the show
for a number of years, and I've never heard of
shamanic astrology before.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
That is a sort of a specialty, and I should
mention there are other people who do shamanic astrology and
they all mean something different by it. So what I'm
going to say about it is only the way I
do it and isn't meant to be universal. But what
I do is in the context of a reading, we
will do the usual Western astrology thing. We'll look at
the chart, will analyze what this planet means in your life.

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But then we'll go a step further. We'll say, you know,
this planet is a living being, it's an actual consciousness,
and we can talk to that planet and ask it
to behave differently. As an example, an example is let's
say someone has a neptune sun conjunction in the chart,
which on the low side could express as excessive use
of drugs or alcohol, excessive escapism, it could be playing

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the margin in a relationship, or feeling kind of drifting
and aimless. But that exact same sun neptune conjunction can
be taken to the high side and used for deepening
your spiritual awareness and for really powerfully letting your creative
inspiration come out in your life. And the principle I've
always used in astrology is if you keep a planetary

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force or a planetary combination. Busy on the high side,
it doesn't have as much energy left over for the
low side. So my premise is there's nothing inherently good
or bad in astrology at all. It's just raw material.
And that's why I say I'm a little bit more
of an educated predictor. I'm not going to tell someone
this exact thing is going to happen in your life.
I'm going to tell you here's the raw material. Why
don't you partner with it and get the result you prefer.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's a rather unique approach with astrology getting there because
most people go to astrologers and they want everything handed
to them. And I agree with you. You know, here, here,
here's the raw material. Go out work for it, make
it work for you. That's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, and I shouldn't. I'm not really unique. I know
lots and lots of astrologers who have a similar approach
that I do, and it's becoming more and more common.
So thankfully, more and more astrologers are working in this
more collaborative way and understanding that it's really about educating
the client, not laying a hardcore, concrete prediction on them.
That may or may not happen.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Benjamin, let me ask you this question speaking about planets,
when Pluto was downgraded from a planet, did that affect
anybody's astrological chart?

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Nah, it just pissed Pluto off. I love that it's
made no difference in the interpretation. You know, Pluto has
been observed for many decades now in astrological charts. It
works a certain way, and if the Astronomical Union wants
to change its classification, it has not in any way

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changed its functioning as an astrological force.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Let me ask you this follow up question, then, if
if Pluto has been used as an astrological object for
how many years in charts, Well.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
It was discovered around nineteen thirty, so we've got about
eighty five years of experience interpreting Pluto.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Now, so what happened before Pluto was discovered.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Well, we work with the planets we have. You know,
for most of astrology's history, we used just the planets
out through Saturn because they were the only ones we
knew about, right, and then around the time of the
American Revolution, all of a sudden we get telescopes that
can see further and oh my god, there's this planet
gern Us and what does that mean? And then Neptune
was discovered after that, and then Pluto and what happens

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then is you know, some and I would say most
Western astrologers have chosen to bring those planets into the
horoscope and use them and through observation, you know, like
you said, I've done about six thousand sessions, and those
are very powerful planets. They profoundly shape the personality and
I couldn't imagine not using them. There are stills some
astrologers that who do not use them, like you know,

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Vedic astrologers traditionally only use the planets through Saturn, for example,
and they do very good work with the system they have.
You know, I respect all the astrological systems because they're
all based on many, you know, centuries of observation, usually millennia,
and they've been watching the sky and f and watching
the effects that their system is going to work, whether
it's Minanner, Chinese or Vedic or Western. But I have

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observed the outer planets to be extremely powerful, and that's
why I pay a lot of attention to them in
the natal chart and the transmitting charts as well. When
they're moving around and affecting things. What is the I
I hope I answered your question.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yes, yes you did, Yes you did. What is the
origin of astrology?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Every indigenous culture on the planet has had some form
of astrology, and there are hundreds, if not thousands, of
varieties of it, you know, most of them not very
well known. But astrology is simply you know, before there
was TV and artificial light, what did people do it not?
They looked up at the sky and they noticed that
when and they they identified, you know, in planet. In astrology,

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planet simply means Wanderer and the Sun and Moon are
considered planets for that reason because they move in the sky. Right,
So they watch over periods of years, of decades, of centuries,
they passed their law on and say, hey, when these
two planets come together, these kinds of things tend to happen.
We've watched it for a long time. So basically, it's
sky observation, observing correlations between the planetary patterns and what

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happens in the world, and each culture, with its own
unique perspective, creates a scheme out of that that gives
meaning to those movements.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
The one phrase that I've been taught by many astrologers
over the years doing radio is when something goes wrong,
they'll say mercury is in retrograde.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's funny. Even people who don't believe in astrology seem
to believe in mercury retrograde somehow. And you know that
it's easy to throw that off there. But mercury retrograde
isn't a bad thing either. It is true because of
what mercury represents. For example, it represents transportation is one
of its core meanings. So when it's going backwards, travel
plans can get messed up a little bit. Mercury is

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about communication, and therefore that affects computers and the things
we now use to communicate. So often technology and travel
do get a little blitchy during a mercury retrograde. But
we have to remember what mercury mercer retrograde is good
for is reflection, you know, thinking, you know, being more contemplative, interior,
talking less listening and thinking more right. And if you

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use mercury retrograde for it's intended, then you can have
a great time with it. By the way, mercury retchcrat
is also a fantastic time to make repairs or you know,
complete projects that were already begun.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Now, how in the way you do astrology? Are there
still the twelve houses like Taurus, Capricorn and the others?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes, except what you disdained were actually the signs. Houses
are a different system that when I do a horoscope.
The outer ring is the signs you just mentioned, but
inside of that are there different twelve sectors that are
what are called the houses, the twelve fields of life experience.
So I do I do use houses. There's about in
western astrology like thirty different house systems. Mine's called porphyry

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and it's worked for me over the course of my career.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
How do you incorporate astrology with your shamanic healing work?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I can flow pretty easily in and out of my modalities.
For example, I sometimes will have clients call me and say,
oh my god, you do this use I don't know
what to ask, and what I'll ask them first is okay,
are you more interested in gaining understanding of what's happening?
Or do you have some of that needs to get healed?
And that, of course will tell me do we need
to start with the strology to start with shamanic healing?

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But often we'll begin with the astrology. And of course,
astrology is an incredible analytical tool, and it's so good
at getting into what's going on in a person's life,
what the sole blueprint is, and it becomes pretty quickly
apparent through my conversation with the client where they're on
track with that and where they're not. And often with
my shamanic sensitivity, I can say, Okay, you've got this

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energetic block here that is interfering with this high thought
expression of your chart. Would you now like to take
a few minutes and let the astrology aside and let's
actually clear the sticking point in you energetically that's getting
in the way. So what I love about the combination
of astrology and shamanism. Astrology is great for the analysis
and the diagnosis of what's going on, and then you

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can switch over to the energetic modality of shamanism to
actually clear it at the core level.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Now, now you say that clients who are in the
most extreme crisis are often poised for the biggest breakthroughs.
How do you absolutely can you tell me more about that?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, I've seen it over and over again. I remember
to think the a client who was here just two
or three weeks ago and they came in describe how
the life was totally falling apart, and I just smiled
and said, that's so wonderful. You're ready for the breakthrough.
And they thought I was joking. But then ten minutes
later I let them through my invocations and they actually
broke through to this amazing state of peaceful, spiritual awake,

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and they said, Oh, that's what that was for. The
reason that crisis is so helpful in the breakthrough is
because if your life has just coming along great and
you're all comfortable and everything, you're not going to change.
You're going to flow with what you've got. It's only
when your life gets sufficiently disrupted and the status will
becomes sufficiently intolerable that you're going to be open to

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a significant change. And that's when you're ready for the breakthrough.
And that's why crisis is such a wonderful, full setup
for a breakthrough. I hope that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
It certainly does, because I use an analogy that you
can't have success without failure.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Exactly. Failure is just a learning opportunity. Oh, I can
do this better next time, I'll learn that way to do.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
It wrong exactly, exactly, And for some unknown reason, people
who who try and at the first sign of failure
they give up so easily, and the lesson is just
beginning exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, it's the perseverance that makes the mastery.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Can you tell me how your astrology could help people
in their day to day lives?

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, astrology addresses little every facet of human life. I
frequently asked questions about career. Am I doing the right career?
Why is my career in crisis right now? And I
can look at the chart, and I can look at
the houses, the little sectors of the chart that are
career specific. I can look at the moving planets say, okay,

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you've got these planets affecting these career houses right now.
That's why the challenge. For example, if you got satterned
in your tenth house, he's usually going to bring up
obstacles and challenges. So I can tell them not only
if they're even doing the right thing based on the chart. Now,
the chart doesn't say you should be a system software engineer,

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but it might say you'd be well inclined for technology
and high tech, right So I can give them the
flavor of the career, and I can also tell them
when big times of opportunity are going to be a
career and when the big challenge times are going to
come up to so I can give them this wonderful information.
Is this Does this mean I should veil now or
does it mean as I going to chart, oh, just

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hang out six months. This challenging energy will move along
and things should clear up and be easier from this
point forward. So those are some examples of ways in
which astrology can be helpful. I use career as an example.
The same thing, whether it's romance or you know, spiritual
path or whatever field of life you're interested in learning,
it's all expressed in the astrology because it's a complete

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sold blueprint.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Over the years you've been doing astrology and shamanic work,
have you seen a change in the people that are
coming to Are they coming for different reasons than they
were when you first started? Does society play a major
role in why people seek astrological advice?

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It does, and now now then again, my clientele is
not typical. When I first opened my practice, I told
the universe I want people who are working on themselves,
So I don't get a lot of people who are
just looking for a fortune teller, and when I tell
them I can't give them a concrete prediction, they say, good,
I don't want that. I want to know how I
can work with this consciously what I have. I'd say

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the biggest change I've seen is I'm getting fewer clients
who are just saying, oh God, I'm in relationship crisis,
where I mean work crisis. They want to know how
can I deepen my spiritual connection there? I'm getting more well,
people are already awake spiritually, and it's getting surprised really common.
And I work with people not just in Nashville, North Carolina,
where I live, but I work with clients all over

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the world, and it's so encouraging to see so many
people now who are so awake and are so in
touch with their real spiritual core already. And it's so
fun to work with people at that level where they're
already having some consciousness and they comprehend where I'm coming
from when I start helping them move into higher dimensions
or consciousness.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
In your opinion, based on the work that you've done
over these years, what type of spiritual awakening is humanity?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Facing what I see, what I perceive happening is a
global awakening. I can foresee a day in the not
too distant future when everyone on the planet will be
spiritually awake, and that will just be the new normal.
You know, it used to be a couple of decades ago,
it was a huge deal if you heard of some
grud India who was actually enlightened. I literally know personally

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dozens of people who are just flat out spiritual awake,
and it's not a big deal. And what I think
were what I perceive happening is we're coming out of
about five thousand years of you know, hierarchy, masculine dominated
dark age, and the feminine is rebalancing itself. It's not

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going to be feminine dominated, but we're going to rebalance
the masculine and feminine again, which is happening already, and
all the crisis. It's crazy on the planet right now.
I think it's a lot of us to do with
the fact that we've got a uranis Pluto square going
just like we had them together in the sixties, and
so it's a time of tumult astrologically anyway. But I
also know that in order for the light to fully

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penetrate everything, it's got to purge all the darkness. It's
like the zips have to be popped. So we see
all these you know, crises and really difficult situations are
coming up with the planet. But it's all coming up
to be cleared. It doesn't mean it's just going to
go on forever. It's like the last messages of the
darkness a now being exposed and purified through playing themselves out.

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But I have no doubt in my mind that the
light is already triumphant, and that it's just a matter
of time before more and more people come to this
peaceful state in themselves, and once you're peaceful inside, you know,
desire to create anything other than peace in the world
around you.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Do you think that this new spiritual awakening will have
any major effect on the established religious philosophies.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, it already is. Actually, I'm encountering more people who
are like you know, mainstream Christians and such, who are
really more openly to the idea of the class conscience
in themselves, for example, and not just looking to an
external force to save them. I believe the mainstream religions
will sort of modify to I mean, if you look

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at the real teachings of all the spirit teachers, whether
it's Mohammed or Jesus or Buddha or the Vedic religions,
it's all about the peace inside you. Anyway, it's just
gotten distorted sometimes that the structures go up around them
and the human desire for power and control sort of
dominates and overshadows the original message. But these, all these

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religions are now becoming more cognizant of the truth of
the original teacher. And I do see the religions slowly
and sometimes not so slowly, re embracing the core message
of unity that's really at the core of them all.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Anyway, Is it possible that the established philosophies have outlived
their purpose and that in order to progress to the
next step of our spiritual evolution, we must say goodbye
to the old and welcome in the new.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I think that's a constant process. Absolutely. They don't all
have to be You don't always have to throw out
the baby with the breachwater. I love Ken Wilber's idea
that even with someone who seems completely abhorrent and just demonic,
they're still a little bit right about something. Yeah, So
I believe that truth in anything you look at right,

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and I belie believe that some some philotsophies that are
clearly really out of step with the new reality will
just fall away and fade out, and others that have
enough of that new reality in them will be able
to transform and adapt to embrace it. You know, if
you look at the history of religion across the world
anyway over its development in mankind, religion is never static.

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It always evolved, it's always transformed by the culture it encounters,
and it never stays static. So religion will continue as
it's always done, to evolve, to transform, to you know,
adapt to the new you know, higher viboration realities that
are coming in.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
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We're coming to you from our broadcast center in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
My guest this hour is Benjamin Bernstein. He is an astrologer.
He is a shaman and his website is www dot
Astroshaman dot com Benjamin, thanks so much for being with us.
Great talking to If we could combine, could we go

(34:06):
to the deep jungles where you actually took this this
What is that a herb? Is it a mixture?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, ayahuasca is actually a combination of two plants. It's
the vine is called ayahuasca and it's combined with a
leaf called chakruna, and chakruna contains DMT, which is a
naturally psychoactive substance. The human body actually makes it itself
during times of extreme crisis like birth, death, childbirth, et cetera.

(34:38):
But the problem with DMT is if you just ingest
it alone, the body will neutralize it within seconds. What
the ayahuasca vine does is it acts as an MAO
inhibitor and allows the DMT to remain active for hours
and hours. And thus, when you do an ayahuasca ceremony,
you'll you'll be under the influence very strongly for five
to six hours and then it just slowly fades over
the hours after that. So that's a little bit about

(35:01):
the chemistry of it.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
During one of these these ceremonies, what do you go through?
What is the physiological changes that goes through your.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Body, it's always different. The thing about I've done the
ayahuasca ceremonies about seventy five times, Wow, and it's never
ever been the same twice. Again, as I mentioned earlier,
you're working not just with a chemical, you are literally
working with a conscious being that is ayahuasca who exists
in the inner world, and drinking the tea brings you

(35:35):
into communion with her, and basically the first thing the
first time you drink her, she knows everything about you.
The first time I drank, I could feel the medicine
moving through every bit of my body, kind of scoping
me out and learning about me. And from then on.
I've had some ceremonies that were very somatically challenging, where
the body just these just the like your somatic intensity

(35:56):
getting turned up to eleven on the scale of ten.
I've had ceremonies that were the most incredible ecstatic bliss
I've ever experienced in my life. I've had ceremonies that
were so challenging because I was facing such massively difficult
inner material that it was really arduous to get through.
I can remember ceremonies in the jungle for after an hour,

(36:18):
I was just exhausted, I had nothing left, and I
just sort of had to just sit there with nothing
left in me and let the plant spirit and a
shaman do what had to be done for me. So
it's it's a very wide range, and sometimes it's some
of that all mixed together in the same ceremony. God,
It's it's definitely not a recreational experience. This is very

(36:39):
serious medicine. It is medicine for healing, it's medicine for awakening.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Why seventy five times?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Because I keep getting benefit. You know, I have a
very practical astrology. There are lots of capricor and lots
of virgo. If something isn't benefiting me, I'm not going
to keep doing it. It's certainly not because it's addict
because it's anything. But there's times when it takes every
ounce of will you have to force yourself to drink
it again because the last ceremony was so challenging. But
what I've observed over time is that the reason I

(37:12):
started working with plant Spirit medicine was because I had
been following spiritual paths for decades and had never really
been able to experience my divinity, which we all have.
It's our birthright, and nothing I was doing as an
ego based practice was getting me there. And all of
a sudden I discovered if I take San Pedro or ayahuasca,
you know this, you know, me drinking that is giving

(37:34):
the plans for permission to punch me through to these
other levels. And I'm going to go there, whether I
want to or not. You know, when you're drinking a
powerful brew, if it's a very powerful medicine, you're going
to move into those states and there is nothing you
can do to resist the process. You're on the roller coast,
you strapped and to go. So I needed that kind
of dynamite cap to bust me through the places where

(37:58):
my need for control that the somatic level would not
let me go voluntarily. Now, over time I got to
where I became more comfortable in those levels, and now
I walk around every day in what would have passed
for a radical altered state a few years ago. But
over time, the beautiful thing about ayahuasca is the state
of bliss and ecstasy and flow that I used to

(38:21):
only get to in a ceremony are my daily reality now.
So the long term effects do lock in over time,
and the weird thing about it is each time I
do ceremony and I need less you know, they say
they're shamans who have done a lot of ceremonies. All
they have to do is smiff the bottle and they're
back in the inner world. Wow, they don't have to
drink the ayahuasca. And the shaman I work with has

(38:42):
actually given me less and less medicine each time I
drink now and the effects are still very strong.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
What is the inner world like the What like the
inner world?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Oh? Sadly, it's actually beyond verbal description. But there's a
great spirit unit and adyashati. So I'm about to describe
awakening which cannot be described. So I know I'm going
to fail that I'll fail as well as I can,
so I proceed in that spirit. The inner worlds are
make you realize the physical reality most people think is
it is one grain of sand on a beach miles long.

(39:20):
There are more dimensions in the inner worlds than you
can even be aware of. The universe goes into infinite
dimensions infinitely. And what my experience has been over time
is what ayahuasca has allowed me to do is progressively,
when I'm ready move into the next level of awakening
to what I am, which you know, I would thumbnail

(39:41):
it as I, like everyone else am, the entire universe
and all the dimensions of consciousness. It's you know, my perceptions,
it's all God, all God, all the time, everywhere, everything,
everyone is just all God. You know. The physical world
is just a denser aspect of that.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, I agree with you that everyone God because in
the Book of Genesis it gives you that, It tells
you that you're God, because if God created you in
his image his likeness, then you are God.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
What is so hard for people to understand?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Right? And more and more people are getting that now,
not just through a belief, but through the experience. And
the beautiful thing about plant teachers like Hiahuascars on Pedro
is they can escort you into that knowing. They can
actually help you merge into that reality. And I'll hast
them to add. I know a lot of people who
are very spiritually awake, and they tried ayahuasca doesn't do
a thing for them, really, Okay, Yeah, And so some

(40:37):
people don't need it. Some people are already to the
places where others need ayahuasca to get them to So
for those who it's helpful for. It's incredible, but I
also want to just readily admit that there's some that's
just not the right medicine for, and so it's not
the panacea for everyone. What I tell people who are
interested in nyahuasca is three things. A do not even

(40:57):
consider drinking it unless you a feel called to it
within yourself. Be unless you're ready to face the most challenging,
intense psychological material in your subconscious with no way out
except true, which may take hours of a ceremony. And three,
don't drink it unless you are in a ceremony being
handled by a very competent and very high vibration shamanic.

(41:18):
You know practitioners who's trained, doesn't iowas Caro, not just
someone who got the ayahuasca. You know, it's it's just
too powerful, it's too strong to trust to someone who
hasn't had the years of training in the jungle that
are needed for them to attain the mastery needed to
facilitate a ceremony like that.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I remember seeing a special on CNN about the ayahuasca.
I don't know what it was this year or last year,
but apparently it's turned into quite an industry in that
part of the world.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
It is. Ayahuasca tourism is big business in the Amazon
and all of South America now. And it's not just there,
there's now Iowas. Caro's traveling all through the United States undercover,
I mean tech. You know. One of the foolish things
of our current laws is that ayahuasca is classed in
the same category with heroin and cocaine, when in fact

(42:10):
it's the very medicine that could heal people of those addictions.
One of the first things ayahuasca does is if there's
an addiction in you, whether it's alcohol or anything else,
it will purge that spirit from you so that the
addiction is gone. So, you know, if you do ayahuasca
in the United States, just have to be discreet about
it and kind of the only tell people who you
know need to know kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
How would you know? Like, obviously you are well versed,
your experienced, You know where to go, who to listen to,
who is a high You know which shaman has the
ability to take you through this inner journey. But how
would anyone who doesn't have the experience that you have

(42:51):
know who to trust, who not to trust?

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Good question well, first, if they themselves have any sensitivity
around that, if they have a read vibes of people,
that would be the place to start with their own
inner guidance on that. But beyond that's no practical level.
You know, if if they're intrigued in doing ceremony with shaman,
you know, get some referrals, find people who have drunk
with that shaman and see what they say. And you know,

(43:16):
as you listen to these people, what do the people
themselves feel like? You know, are they you know what
I've observed with the people i've you know, I know
who have been drinking ayahuascar for many years, and it's
part of their pathive awakening. They become more open hearted,
they become more compassionate, they become more responsible, they become
more radiant. You know, they they improve in every way

(43:37):
as a person. You know, it's the total opposite of
the ark of a drug addict who just you know,
goes down the spiral. The people who drink ayahuascar regularly
actually go in the opposite direction. So the people who
are even asking about their referrals, are they the kind
of person you want to be? Would be another way
to think about.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
That, excell I guess that.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
My guess this hour is Benjamin Bernstein. His website is
Astro Shaman and I'm sorry for cutting you off there,
but there was a little bit of a gap and
I wanted to get your website in there as many
times as I could. I understand that you host a
shamanic awakening ceremony a few times a month.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Tell me about that, Yeah, right now. It's on first
and third Tuesdays, and it is mentioned on my website.
What do we do there? I sort of thumbnail. It
is just like an ayahuasca ceremony without the ayahuasca, So
it incorporates two primary modalities. The first is invocations, which
is my favorite thing to do with people. Because it

(44:34):
may sound insane to hear me say this, but most people,
if I guide them with these invocations, they can literally
be in an awakened state, often for the first times
in their lives, within ten or fifteen minutes. It literally
is as simple as asking the party who that's already
awake to bring that conscienness to you and passively breathing
and allowing it to happen is all it takes. Anymore,

(44:55):
the veils have gotten so thin between the spirit world
and the physical world. Now that you know, what used
to take years of ruling Soddena on a really disciplined
spiritual path can now be attained in minutes by asking
for it.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Do you think of what we do.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Do you think that bail is going to become thinner
and thinner until it's non existent.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I don't know if they'll ever be non existent. Well
maybe over a very long period of time, but it's
definitely getting thinnered. I'm observing it, you know, all the time.
You know, there's no other way I could take people
who've never meditated it in their lives and have them
in this state sometimes in just ten minutes, you know.
And I'm not, by the way. I'm not doing the
state for them. I'm giving them the words to say,

(45:37):
and I am holding space for them. But they are
awakening themselves. I don't. You can't awaken someone else. It's
an inside job. Why give them the tool and help
them go through it? But they do it themselves.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Why is meditation so important?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Meditation or practices like invocation are important because they let
you begin. You know, we in America, here in most
western countries, it's a very yang world. It's all about
accomplished at actack do do do you know? Just go
go go, And that's not healthy. That's not how nature works.
Nature rests as much as it acts, and meditation or

(46:15):
just laying on the ground at the park or something,
you've got to take that passive resting time to balance
it out. And also, you will not experience the subtleties
of this incredible universe inside yourself, the spirit world, if
you're constantly doing things in the outer world. So meditation
will allow you the space to explore those inner worlds,

(46:37):
which actually are the juiciest thing to explore, far more
than even the most beautiful place on Earth in my experience.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
So meditation gets is basically grounding us.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
There are so many forms of meditation, they do so
many different things. There are some meditation practices that do
ground there are some that do exactly the opposite, that
can take you out into celestial space. You know, lot
of I've encountered a lot of quiets of friends who
are space cadets. They're naturally so spirit you know, it's
all they can do is to stay in their bodies.
They need a meditation practice that browns them to the earth.

(47:10):
Something that's more shamonically focused other people like the way
I was when in my younger years, where I was
just so locked into the physical that I couldn't get
to the spirit world. They need a pass that that
blows open those doors and lets them get out into
the spirit world. So there there's you know, infinite varieties
of meditation and lots of different ways of doing it
depending on a particular person's needs.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Would you suggest that children in today's society, with all
the pure pressure that they have, that meditation would be
a good idea for a young person.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah. And talking about kids, I mean, the kids I'm
encountering are so much more awake already than us adults are,
you know. I One of the ways I know the
Golden Age is happening is these kids I'm seeing are
so together, and they're so conscious, and they're just at
a higher vibrational level. They come in the first place,
so they're going to be our saviors. You know, they're

(48:03):
going to be teaching us. So but with that said, yes,
if you give them a meditation, that sa'ge appropriate. If
you just tell the you know when you're feeling stressed,
you know, the simplest meditation in the world is just
to pay attention to your next breath. Is let the
breath come and go, and just give your full attention
to the sensation. For those few seconds, you will not

(48:23):
be thinking because you have one point of attention. It's
either on that breath or it's in your head. And
each moment you spend in an expert experiential awareness that
isn't mental, is a moment when you've just rejoined with
your real source. So teaching them even something that simple,
just pay attention to the next breath or two, and
it will calm you down. It can be real helpful.
You want to give them a meditation that's appropriate for

(48:46):
their age and for their particular disposition.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Of course, so the old saying stop and smell the
roses is very important.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, I do that every day. I've got flowers in
my backyard, I go smell them, and I mean it
transforms me. Yeah, they're these sense are just amazing. They
create a shift in the body immediately.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know, I've got to be honest with you. Before
I started doing this show some twenty four years ago,
I used to listen to people and say, all right,
you know who you're out there, But over the years
I have learned so much and I have a new

(49:27):
appreciation for life, and I love having people like you
on the show who share that, who want to help, people,
who want this to be a better world to live in.
And I think that more and more people like you
said earlier, are having this awakening.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yes, and with as many guests as you have, you
must be seeing evidence of it all over the place.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I am, I truly am, and I you know I
like you. I love my job. I get to speak
to four the most interesting people in the world each
and every day, Monday through Friday. And the entire goal
of this show, and I'm sure there's other show hosts
who feel the same is to make a positive difference

(50:16):
in one life each night.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's what it's all about, my friend, and that's why
I'm so happy that you were with us tonight, and
I want to thank you so much. Do me a favor,
come back and speak with us again.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I'd love to just let me know what a good
time is, all.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Right, Benjamin.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Nice knowing you, and keep the great work up. And
I hope that you continue doing the great work you're doing,
because I've got a funny feeling, you, sir, are making
a difference in many lives.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Well, I'm doing the best I can.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Thank you you too, Benjamin. Take care of yourself. Let
our listeners know how they can find out more about you,
as well as how they can participate in your Shrmanicum ceremonies.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Well, the best way for all that is just to
go to astro shaman dot com. That's a S T
R O S H A M A n dot com
and everything I do is there, And if they want
to learn more about this invocation technique, at the top
of the home page sidebar on the right, there's a
little purple banner it says healing, awakening Invocations. Click that

(51:17):
it'll take you to a page that has all that
information for free. And of course I do my make
my living doing astrology and shamanic healing and the awakening
activation process and more. All that information is on the
side as well, so if people are vibing with me,
that's how they can go to learn more.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Thank you very much for your time. Great meeting you
and I look forward to the next time you and
I meet here in the X Zone. Until then, keep
the great work up. Thank you you too bye bye
now x O nation. My guess this hour has been
Benjamin Bernstein.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
What a guy.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Www Dot astro shaman dot com. That's www Dot astroshaman
dot com. I'll be back on the other side of
the news at six and a half minutes us the
top of the hour as we continue here in the
X Zone from our broadcast center in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
The X Zone is a place where people dare to
believe and dare to be heard. It's a place where

(52:12):
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. And we come
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