Rob McConnell Interviews - BRIAN GRIFFITH - Correcting Jesus - 2000 Years of Changing the Story

In this thought-provoking edition of Rob McConnell Interviews, Rob welcomes Brian Griffith, historian and author of Correcting Jesus, a bold and scholarly exploration of how cultural forces, political agendas, and early church editors may have reshaped the message of Jesus over time. Griffith examines the contrast between the historical figure and the later doctrinal constructions built around him, inviting listeners to consider how teachings on compassion, justice, and human dignity evolved—and in some cases, diverged—from their original context. Through a balanced and meticulously researched discussion, he challenges long-held assumptions while encouraging open-minded inquiry into the roots of Christianity. This compelling conversation offers fresh insight into faith, history, and the enduring power of interpretation.

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My guest this hour is Brian Griffith. And Brian grew
up in Texas, studied history at the University of Alberta

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and now lives just outside of Toronto. He is an
independent historian who examines how cultural history influences our lives
and how collective experiences offer insights for our future. He
is the author of The Garden of Their Dreams dissertation
and Culture in World History, Different Views, Visions of Love,

(02:18):
Partnership and Denominator Values in Christian History and Correcting Jesus
two thousand Years of Changing the Story and Brian, Welcome
to the ex Zone.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hello. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Tell us a little bit about where your interest came
into the type of books that you write and your
love for history.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, you know, I think I had a mental mix
up from living in several places. As you say, I
grew up in Texas with all the culture wars over
Jesus in the American Way and then I lived in India,
where they have a lot of goddess religions, in Kenya,
where it seems like the man or the bosses and

(02:59):
women are the real leaders. And then I ended up
in Toronto, where everything gets mixed together. So you know,
I put out recently one book about collecting Jesus and
the other one about Chinese goddesses. So I mean, as

(03:20):
a Western man, I always thought religion was a mainly
male thing, because the gods and priests and rabbis and
the mullas that I knew all seemed to be male.
And I heard there used to be women's religions, like
the pre Christian pagan religions or the cults of witches,

(03:42):
but those were stamped out as superstitious nonsense a long
time ago by whatever means necessary. So basically, both the
goddesses and female leaders were for a long time eliminated
from religion in the West. And I got to wondering
what religion would look like if women made it, and

(04:05):
how would they do it different, And of course the
answer to that was stern us in the face. Because
across India and China and much of the world, there's
big popular goddess religions that are alive today, and we
can just look at them and see how they're different.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
How many different religions are there in the world.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Today, Well, gee, I don't know. It's an incredible number,
and I don't really know how to add them up
because you know, for example, looking at the Chinese goddess religions,
there's you know, some of them have one hundred or
up to five hundred million devotees in the world, but

(04:49):
they're not normally added together as if that was a religion,
so you know, and they cross over a lot. A
lot of these Chinese goddesses are there were beard in
several different religions spread out all over that part of
the world.

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(05:27):
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Speaker 4 (10:06):
My guess this hour is Brian Griffith, and Brian and
I are talking about religion. We're talking about goddesses. We're
talking about correcting Jesus or the story or the information
about Jesus. And Brian, I want to thank you so
much for coming on the show. It's it's great talking
to you, uh, thank you. But you know, when when
people talk about goddesses, they usually think of all right,

(10:28):
all right, it has something to do with witchcraft and Wicca,
or New Age spirituality or or Egyptology. But it's much
broader than that isn't it.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, I mean it's you know, there's a lot there
was a stigma, a stigmatization of the women's religions. But
you know, this is basically religions that grow out of
women's experience. And I'm you know, I'm curious about how
that would be because in Western history we pretty much

(11:03):
courage that side of the story from things for a
long time. And and that's why, you know, I'm interested
in looking at at places where you know, all all
through history there's been big women's religions going on and
they were never stamped out, they never had which hunts

(11:24):
to get rid of the village wise women, they're they're
still there and and they're still popular. You know. So
if you if you look at like Chinese women's religions,
of course we can't generalize that, you know, Chinese women
have certain qualities or anything, but in their in their

(11:48):
popular traditions, you know, there's there's certain values that I
think we can see or common they tend to share.
Certain used They usually assume a reverence for life and
the power to conceive or nurture it. And they commonly

(12:09):
take this literally female power as the greatest power of all. So,
you know, in China, these religions have always been popular.
They're not official religions, but they're popular, and they show
the values and ideals that women have respected most. And

(12:31):
one example, you know, this is a little bit contre
contradictory to evil sorceresses, in the example of the goddess
guan Yin or kwan Yin, who's clearly the most popular
deity in China for the past five hundred years and

(12:52):
has maybe five hundred million devotees in the wow And
unlike many goddesses in world history, she's she's not a
symbol of motherhood or wifely duty or ideal sexuality. She's
she's portrayed as a fully enlightened world savior who's with

(13:15):
compassion for all creatures. And and of course many worshipers
see her as a superior being who's probably made of
spiritual matter and who lives in heaven and responds to prayers.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
But so it almost sounds, it almost sounds parallel to
how Catholicism looks at the Virgin Mary.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of parallel to Yeah,
you know, the way I like to think of her
is like a figure of popular literature, like you know,
Joseph Campbell would explain it deities an image of whatever
people feel as the highest and the best in life.
And you know, an image like that can shape people

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dreams and goals. And you know, I think that in
the future, in a future planetary culture, it's possible that
guan Yin will be become just about the most widely
respected image of female spirituality in the world. And then
you know, there's thousands of other Chinese goddesses. Some of

(14:23):
them are mythical spirits of nature, and others are masters
of yoga like spiritual disciplines like the Dallast master sanbu Air.
Some of them are heroic fighting shammanesses like chen Jingu
and her band of sworn sisters, and a fair number

(14:47):
of them have nationwide or global appeal, like there's around
one hundred million devotees of a goddess called Mazu, So
that right there is a religon and it's vastly larger
than Judaism. And you know, with all the cults of
these deified women like guan Yan, Sambu Air, Chen Jingu,

(15:11):
or Masu, we're all lumped together, it would count as
one of the world's biggest religions.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
When we look at Christianity and especially Catholicism and how
the the the the Virgin Mary or is revered, that's
one parallel that you and I have discussed. But you know,

(15:39):
in Christianity, in the Bible it says, and now shall
have no other gods before me. Yet you go into
certain churches and all the saints are revered as well.
So basically, when we're looking at certain religions that have
the saints that are being prayed to, can they be
classified as demigods?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, you know, in China probably you know, they probably
all the deities. I mean, there's nature deities, but then
most of the deities are actually people. They're saint like
or guru like figures who are just revered. They're like

(16:21):
elevated to sainthood by popular demand, and they were acclaimed
to be god.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Like Saint Francis of ASSISI.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, people pray Saint Francis. They say that he intercedes
to help them and so on. But you know, even
if there's not magical powers that they appear and so on, still,
you know, they're they're people in history who were they're

(16:52):
regarded as masters who attained some sort of enlightenment and
were teachers. And but you know, since the followers can
learn what the teachers teach, most of these goddesses and
other deities their examples to be learned from, not not

(17:13):
like their eternally superior beings to be obeyed. You know.
In the woman friendly traditions there people commonly pictured their
deities as ultimate parents or teachers or friends, and not

(17:34):
like their kings or lords. And most of them were,
you know, flourished among common people rather than the dominant groups.
And they seldom had any kind of official status or
backing from the government. They were popular, but they didn't

(17:54):
usually control any big organizations, and their authority just came
from their personal qualities, not from any position of rank
or office. So they're called you know, this is people
make a distinction between organized religion and unorganized religion, so

(18:15):
these these goddess cults were sort of unorganized, and so
they're called popular religion instead of instead of organized religion.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
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and maybe you can help me shed some light on it.
How many gods worldwide are there?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, I don't know. I mean, there's thousands of women
in China who were regarded as deified figures, just thousands
of them the whole and it's like India's well, I mean,
the countryside is haunted by thousands of people who were

(19:26):
regarded as deified or or sainted figures. And they're often
you can trace the historic person behind it, like one
example from ancient times in China's women called Ti Ying,
and she dared challenge the emperor with an appeal for

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mercy on prisoners, and her boldness won a legal ban
on the worst kinds of torture, and she became a
in the popular mind.

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And welcome back to the excellent every run. And Brian
Griffiths is my special guest. And for finding out more
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Angels dot com. Brian, you also wrote a book pertaining
to Jesus, and the title of that book.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Is what.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Correcting Jesus two thousand years of changing the story?

Speaker 4 (23:52):
That's a very provocative title. Tell me a little bit
about that book.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, you know, some people thought that I was presuming
to correct Jesus. They took it a little bit about
the way they took the title to the Satanic verses,
where you know, people thought that the book was calling
the Qoran the Satanic verses, when actually it was referring

(24:20):
to some verses that Muhammad said were Satanic. Anyway, so
some people took it the wrong way. But you know
what I mean is I think we all have reasons
for thinking that the stories about Jesus have been changed
over time. Like as I was growing up in Texas,

(24:43):
we believed that Jesus stood for the American way. He
stood for national pride and strong armed forces and free enterprise.
And a lot of us also felt sure that he
stood for traditional subordinate roles for women, and and since
I was in an all white church, a lot of

(25:03):
people felt that it was a matter of Christian morality
to keep the white and black races separate. You know,
So we felt sure that we believed in the Bible,
but we also heard what we wanted to hear. For example,
you know when we heard that Jesus urged forgiving wrongdoers,

(25:25):
but we felt it was stupid to simply forgive offenders
because they'd think they could get away with anything. And anyway,
I got interested in looking at the changes Christianity has
gone through down the centuries. And you know, for example,
back in the days of the Enlightenment, during the French Revolution,

(25:45):
the slogan of the revolutionaries was liberty, fraternity, equality, and
it seemed like everybody assumed that this was a heretical
rejection of everything Christianity stood for, and both the Church
leaders and the anti Christian rebels accepted the idea that

(26:08):
Jesus upheld the divine right of kings, And of course
that raises the question of what Jesus taught about freedom
and the answers to that have been all over the
moral map. In the American Revolution, people mostly had the
idea that freedom was a Christian thing. But I remember

(26:32):
one exchange in my Texas Sunday school class where somebody
was saying that real Christians trust the Bible more than
human reason, and somebody else in the room replied, then
why did Jesus ask why can't you decide for yourselves
what is right? And the answer was, we can't because

(26:56):
we're sinners. Anyway, I took to asking, you know, if
we look over Christianity as we know it, what cases
of officially correcting Jesus can we find on subjects like judaism, forgiveness, women, freedom, violence, or.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Compassion, and what answers did you come up with? Well?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I mean I would, I would go you know, by
subject by subject. I've got, you know, a lot about women.
They changed a lot about women, So maybe I can
just dive in on that worry about it. You know,
I think there's a lot of evidence that Jesus had

(27:44):
great respect for women, and judging from the stories and
Acts and Paul's letters, it seems like the early Christian
movement started out proudly proclaiming the equality of men and women.
And at first Paul was proudly saluting the female leaders
of almost every church he helped found across Turkey and Greece.

(28:08):
In Philippi, the leader was Lydia in Colosia, it was
Nympha in corinth it was Chloe in Philammon's town. It
was Apia in Philippi, there was two female church leaders,
and anyway, in the books of Acts and Romans, it's
full of praise of the women's female preachers. And then

(28:30):
Paul and the later church leaders changed it to they
started demanding that the women must shut up and wear
head covering. And you know, so why the big change?
And I think the evidence is that they were dealing
with ridicule from the surrounding society. And we have record

(28:53):
of pagan critics ridiculing the Christians as a movement where
the men had lost all control women, and these ancient
people usually assumed that if women were not controlled, then
all the standards of morality would be tossed to the win,
and so to prove that they were a respectable religion,

(29:15):
the leading men needed to demonstrate that they were in charge.
And then instead of preaching a new order where all
would be equal, they started insisting that all the traditions
of inequality in the ancient Middle East had to remain
in force for women. And you know, they even altered

(29:37):
the text of scripture to reinforce this. The copyists changed
one Corinthians to make Paul say it is a good
thing for a man to have nothing to do with
a woman. And in the New English Bible there's a
footnote to this verse that says that the earlier versions

(29:58):
of the text were written different, and the oler version said,
you Corinthians say it is a good thing for a
man to have nothing to do with a woman. But
because there's so much immorality, let each man have his
own life, etc. So in the original version, Paul was

(30:18):
criticizing other people for advocating sexual segregation in the church,
but his defense of families working together disappeared with the
simple deletion of a phrase, and in its place stood
a corrected statement of naked contempt for all women, and

(30:42):
then reading the corrected text, Saint Jerome explained, if it's
good not to touch a woman, it is bad to
touch one, for there is no opposite of goodness but badness.
And this trend, you know, it intensified with time. First
the women were drummed out of all the leadership and

(31:03):
teaching roles. Then they lost their roles managing the church charities.
And next the issue rose of whether the purity of
the priest would be compromised by being married to women.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Is that where the celibacy comes in because we should
argue him. Yeah, because as you and I both know,
there's no mention within the Bible that a priest has
to be.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Celibate, right, And the Council of Nicia argued this in
three twenty five and they made a ruling that's quite interesting.
They ruled that if any priest divorced his wife and
threw out his family on the pretext of piety, then
that priest should be thrown out of the church. And

(31:46):
so for hundreds of years, most priests remain married down
to the year ten seventy four, and that's when the
Church overthrew the Council of Nicia rule, and instead they
demanded that all the priests must divorce their wives or
else lose their jobs. And we can call this the

(32:07):
greatest mass divorce in world history. And then after throwing
out all the church wives, the clerical had went after
the remaining female leaders in secular society to remove the
village wise women in the witch hunts. And fortunately, you know,

(32:29):
just when it seemed like relations between men and women
couldn't really get worse, it started going the other way.
And a big part of this was the nuns who
had been confined to the cloister to protect their chastity.
But they began refusing their enclosure orders and going out

(32:50):
to handle problems in the streets. And they founded our
modern service institutions, our schools, our hospitals, they gave education
to girls, and you know, nothing so revived the Catholic
Church after the Protestant Revolt as the female religious orders,

(33:10):
and they saw themselves as caring servants rather than godly
masters of society. And they showed what the Church would
have been from the first if women hadn't been forcefully
barred from partnership and its mission.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
So can we say that it's because of this religious well,
because of religion itself that women were forced to take
a second seat, and it's only because of the male
ego that was so prevalent back in those days.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, you know, the history of Christianity and Islam are
fairly parallel on this. Start out with being righteous about
equal rights for people. The first Muslim women were business managers,

(34:13):
religious leaders, generals in the army. And then they get
this blowback to the tradition from before and re establish
all the ancient prejudices that the religion started out as
a protest against. So you know, they betray their own

(34:38):
values and go back to ancient prejudices.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Unbelievable. Where do you see religion going in the future?
Ted as a history as a historian, I'm sorry, Brian,
as a historian. Has it come to the point of
our sociological development that religion is no longer required?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well, you know, I think that religion is something that
everybody has. Everybody has their sense of where they're going
and what's important, and where life comes from, and what's
it heading toward, and what's and therefore what's good and

(35:25):
helpful and what's not. Everybody has their sense of that,
and so I think that that's inherently religion right there,
and everyone has it in some way, yes, and everybody
has their own sense of it. I mean, if I
say that I'm a Christian, that doesn't really tell you
very much about my own sense of what's important in

(35:50):
life and where I'm going in life, you know. So,
I think it's not like we're going to get rid
of religion. I think people are going to do it
with less herd mentality. They're gonna think for themselves, what's
my aim in life and what works in getting there?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So I think we're going to have a little more
individual accountability rather than just following the herd on these things.
What is your.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
You?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
And yeah, I should say that you and I were
talking before during the commercial break with the News, and
you actually did a lineage I believe when it comes
to Jesus, and you and I were talking about the
number of fathers that he had.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh, well, you know, they put several myths together. They
say he was born of God, but then they give
the lineage of his father Joseph, going back back with
all the fathers of Joseph, and they give the whole
lineage going all the way back to Adam, and it

(36:58):
says Adam was the son of God. Well, so, I mean, basically,
one way or the other, everybody on the whole lineage
was the son of God. And Jesus talked about God
as our father. Yes, so you know, and it's you know,
the same with the Bible. People collect all these stories

(37:22):
from an ancient country of Israel, and they say this
is the story of God's people and God's country. And
you know, you could say the same thing about a
history book of say America, because a lot of people
think that America is God's country and it's God's people,
and since everybody's God's people, it's basically true.

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Speaker 4 (40:42):
That's what we're trying to do here this hour, give
you something to talk about. My guest is Brian Griffiths's
website is www dot Eliminating Angel dot com. I'm sorry,
exterminating Exterminating Angel dot com. Brian, So, as a historian,
is there any historical proof beside biblical accounts that Jesus

(41:06):
really did exist?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Well? I guess not, but you know, I find it
hard to really worry about that. And in other religions
around the world, people don't think that their tradition hangs
on that kind of thing. Like we could say the
same thing about Buddhism. We could say, do we have
really any record that the Buddha ever existed? And you know,

(41:35):
but there's this whole tradition of teaching and everything that's there.
It's a reality in the world, and its validity does
not depend on proving you know, that the historical Krishna
really lived at a certain date, or you know, the

(41:56):
birth certificate of Buddha. You know. I think that when
people argue about the Bible, it often seems like an
invalidation contest, where either the book is completely an errant
or else it's complete garbage. But the Second Vatican Council

(42:21):
in the sixties actually urged a middle path that's common
sensical on this, and it said, these books, even though
they contain material which is imperfect and obsolete, nevertheless their
witness to truly divine teachings. You know.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
But isn't that a bit of a hypocritical paradox that
religion has been expecting us to swallow all these years
because they teach truth, they teach justice, they teach us
not to lie, and yet if there's nothing to evidence
the basis of the religion. How can they expect us

(43:04):
to be honest when they themselves aren't.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Well, you know, my grandparents rejected or religion, and they
rejected it, and a lot of people around the world rejected.
The people of the Chinese Revolution just rejected religion as
they knew it, and they rejected it because it didn't

(43:29):
live up to its own values, which means that they
basically believed in those kind of values themselves, and they
wanted some integrity and holding to those values, and they
were just criticizing people for being hypocritical about it.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Brian, I'd love to continue this, but we've run out
of time for tonight. I want to thank you so
much for joining us ex own nation. Brian Griffiths has
been my guest. Check out his website www Dot Exterminating
Angel dot com. That's www dot Exterminating angel dot com.
And I'll be back on the other side of the
commercial break with the news at six and a half

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