Rob McConnell Interviews - CHARLES HARRIGAN - Haunted Rhode Island

Put on comfortable shoes or boots to journey through 4 self-guided walking and biking tours of the strange and haunted locations across some lesser-known regions of Rhode Island. Tales of mythical monsters, ghosts, and spirits from a murder or two may greet you as you explore Prudence Island, Newport, Jamestown, and surrounding areas. Meet fabled half-deer, half-goat “doat,” a demonic dog that has been scaring visitors for centuries, and ghosts that may be slightly more welcoming. Find out whether The Newport Tower is the true location of the lost Viking city of Norumbega, and visit the strange locations made famous by Rhode Island’s favorite son of horror fiction: H. P. Lovecraft. Nine maps will guide you along your route and historical backgrounds provide the backdrop for the supernatural. To date, no one taking these tours has died at the hands of a mysterious lurking creature, so you should be fine…


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is Charles Harrington, and he is the author of a
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So put on a comfortable pair of shoes, or boots
to journey through four self guided walking and biking tours
on the strange and haunted locations across the lesser known
in the regions of Rhode Island. Tales of mythical monsters,
ghosts and spirits from a murder or two may greet
you as you explore Prudence Island, Newport, Jamestown and the

(03:40):
surrounding areas. Meet fabled half deer half goat which is
called a dote, a demonic dog that has been scaring
visitors for centuries, and ghosts that may be slightly more welcoming.
Find out whether the Newport Tower is the true location
of the lost Viking city of Norumbega, and visit the
the locations made famous by Rhode Island's favorite son of

(04:03):
Horror himself, HP Lovercraft. Joining me now is Charles Harrington,
and Charles is the author I've guidebook to Haunted and
Strange Places in Rhode Island and surrounds. And Charles, welcome
to the x l oh.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
So tell you so, tell me. Have you seen a ghost?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yes, I'd have a long long time agoes. I was
in actually I was in London. Of all places. It
was the President Hotel over by Russell's Square, and it
was just going back to my room, was eleven thirty

(04:46):
at night, right, and just out of the corner of
my eyes see something down the hallway. So this whole
gray looks almost like a shade. And it went through
a pair of swinging doors that boys move it all.
And it went through another door that was locked and

(05:07):
like a very starr I mean again, it was late
at night, I was tired, but it just that's the
closest experience I've had.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
So having had that experience, did that have any effect
on the book that you've written about the haunted, you know,
the haunted and strange places in Rhode Island. What was
your inspiration for writing the book?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
For the book itself, the inspiration was actually two things.
It was I used to read a lot of Edward
Rose Snow, who was a local historian Massachusetts, mostly about shipwrecks,
and then he moved on to lighthouses, and after the
lighthouses he moved on to writing about ghosts and local
Daleo tales and monsters and right, but there was also

(05:58):
another book written by a guy named Henry L. Beckwith
Junior and he wrote a guidebook back and I think
it was the eighties when it was published, and that
was called low Craft's Providence and Adjacent Parts. What that
was was actually a guidebook to downtown Providence, r An Island.

(06:19):
And what it does is that it basically takes you
off to different sites that Lovecraft himself mentioned in his stories,
like the case of Child's dexter Ward or the Shunned House.
And from basically from the time the book was published
up until like the mid nineties, Providence was undergoing such

(06:42):
a dramatic change. There were like buildings being torn down.
They actually uncovered an entire river in downtown Province. So
anyone reading in that book that won by Beckwith would
have been completely totally lost unless they had grown up
in the area.

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Speaker 4 (10:29):
Welcome back everyone, my guest this hour. He is Charles
Harrington and he's been writing travel articles for over a decade,
mostly focused on Japan, where he lived for several years.
After graduating from Roger Williams University in Bristol, Rhode Island,
he began teaching English and writing for magazines, with numerous
articles being published in Is That They Can Say, I Was,

(10:51):
k Kancise, Scene and Kanseis Time Out magazines, including a
feature retracing the footsteps of Inns Flemings Spacemous Spy in
the novel You Only Live Twice. Charles Harrington has returned
to the New England area where he continues to write
the You Know About the Odd and the fun. We're

(11:12):
talking about Charles's book This Hour Guy to Haunt It
and strange places in Rhode Island and surrounds, and Charles,
where can people get a copy of your book?

Speaker 5 (11:23):
It's actually been released November twenty eighth. It's actually on
pre order now on Amazon.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Okay, great, And do you have a personal website?

Speaker 5 (11:33):
I don't have a personal website yet. I'm actually working
with the illustrator of the book, Kristen Reagan. We're getting
web page together.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Okay, super for it. All right, So before I had
to break us for the break, you were just telling
us about, you know, downtown they were what were they doing?
Excavating and they found a river and so take us
through that.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
What happened was, basically they knew the river was there
all long, Essentially somebody I don't know the exact history
of when the river was covered up, but it was
covered up basically to expand downtown so that they would
have more space to build on. And what they did
was I basically built I'm pretty sure it's the widest

(12:15):
bridge in the world at the time. And what happened
eventually was a lot of businesses left downtown Providence, so
mayor of Vincent, Buddy Cianc took it upon himself to
basically have the Providence renaissance for lack of a better term,
actually he might have dubbed that term. And what they

(12:38):
did was a uncovered the river. They went back, dug
up the bridge, the river was back, and they put
in this beautiful little park like area writ in downtown
Providence by the State House between the old City Hall,
which is mentioned in the guidebook, and it's this gorgeous

(12:58):
little river walk. During the summer, they have these torch ceremonies,
waterfire and as of people get down just like walk
along the banks. And it was one of those things
that was not mentioned in the old guidebook I beck with.
So it was like, again, anyone who hadn't grown up

(13:21):
in the area would be completely lost going by his guidebook.
And it was a great guide book, but it's just
so much has changed. So I started, like, I got
a copy out of the library, went down, started walking around.
I'm like, oh, yeah, this is where the bridge used
to be, and this is where that parking lot used

(13:41):
to be, right, And so I started like taking scribbler
downis notes and then you know, started working it out
from there, I'm like, oh, you know, there's being like
a little interesting little guide book. And then I said, well,
you know WHI stopped there. We'll move on to another.
You know what, there's a lot over an island, so

(14:02):
sm poking around like a popular Like one of my
favorite places for hiking is crude and silent. So I
remember in college reading about the dope half deer, half
goat is like, it's basically I've seen one picture of it.

(14:23):
I think there might be only one picture of it,
and it basically it would come up to like a
person's knee and it looks like a deer and somebody
dubbed it the dot because it apparently resembled a half deer,
half goat. And the picture I saw on the Bristol
Phoenix was the official fuzzy photo of this unknown creature

(14:43):
that was like bucking at a cat, and it was
just like it was just such a weird little thing.
I said, oh, you know, I go out to Prudence
a lot. So I start, you know, going back out
there and poking around and asking some questions about the
different places. And this abandoned mansion on the northern end
of the island, and you know, just essentially that was

(15:08):
another tour. So I started thinking about I'm like, you
know what I see if I can get this published.
So that's basically where the whole thing started off from. It. It
started off with try to rewrite the Beckwith book.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So basically, you're a historian, you're a historian, history alive. Yeah,
Where in your opinion, I'm a big history buff. Where
in your opinion are the most haunted places in Rhode Island?

Speaker 5 (15:35):
In Rhode Island, I'd probably have to say it's Providence itself.
It seems like when I was like doing a research
on Providence and stuff, is Benefit Street, gorgeous street. They
kept it as original as possible to what it would
look like back in the eighteen hundreds, and it's one
of those streets that has a classic story of you know,

(15:58):
family graves were allegedly not dug up when they were
all moved to. I think it was the north WHOA
what was that? I don't know. I'm gonna blame a ghost, all.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Right, Let's blame a ghost. That's it.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
No more people on here from Rhode Island they bring
the ghosts with.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Oh that's the whole thing. But yeah, it's I kind
of lost my track with Trina.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Thought there I was asking where the most taunted place
in Rhode Island was.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, so same Providence. Its benefit strated, so allegedly there
might be some grades that were missed when the City
of Providence went through. And you have exhumed the family
plots and moved them all to one central burial ground
that's touched upon in one of Lovecraft's stories called the
Shand House, and the HP Lovecraft story of the Shant

(16:53):
House is a classic. This house's curse. It's on the
side of the College Hill and nobody has lived there
for years. And then, of course if you go about
the house today, this is a beautiful house that's been
completely totally renovated. I've never heard of any actual hauntings
at this house itself, but you know, it's a great start,

(17:15):
and so I think they're, you know, they're interested in
it because it can't be explained. I could go back
and I could read history about you mentioned the Ian
Fleming article I wrote, and you know, I can go
back and I know Ian Fleming was a real man.
I know James Bond wasn't a real man. But you know,

(17:36):
some of the places Ian Fleming went to. Yeah, those
places are real and you can go there today. So
I mean it's just essentially it's kind of like you
go there, you see it. It's beautiful, it's gorgeous to
take pictures. But it's nothing, there's nothing to debate. It's like,
you know, it's kind of like it's but with a ghost.

(17:58):
Going back to the ghost story of Jojo about up
in London, you know, maybe I was too tired. Maybe
it was a glass of wine or two that I
had before I went to my room that was like
having that effect on it. It was Jetlak. So I
mean there's a lot of debate, a lot of questions
that could be raised about whether that was a ghost
or not, and I can have an engagement. I could

(18:20):
sit back, I have a friendly chat about that.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
So I think that's probably why a lot of people,
you know, still enjoy a good ghost story. It cannot
be explained.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
There's a lot of things in life that can't be
explained that that don't have the same attraction that that
ghosts and hauntings do. I guess as part of our
own psyche, whether we you know, whether we do live
on past life. Is there a chance that we that
we spend more time than than just little slice of
the time space continuum that we share on this planet.

(18:53):
So many untold you know, so many unanswered questions when
it comes to death, the hereafter, what's on the their side?
And of course then you've got the religious philosophies that
are all chipping in and giving it their own enough spins.
So how do you and your family celebrate Halloween?

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Actually it's relatively low key it we you know, we
still I still give candy a Halloween trick or traders
into the house. When I was in Osaka, I was
living in Osaka, Japan for quite some time, we would
have like the traditional Halloween party where we'd all dress
up and costume and ride on the train. I actually

(19:32):
never took part in that because I was usually off
with a couple of friends having a you know, a
couple of drinks. But when I was younger, yeah, did
the trick or trading went out this time of year
when I was in college. When I was in high school,
my friends and I would usually run out try to
go to the most haunted place we could think of,

(19:53):
you know, we'd try to go find a ghost and
you know we'd be sitting there in the woods occasionally
with our flashlights and waiting for somebody to pop up
and say boo. But you know that never happened. But
it was a good time. You know, we went out,
we had a great time. You know, we've had something
to talk about, and you know we felt brave for

(20:14):
that hour or two that were sitting there. Yeah, it
was it was an enjoyable time. And yeah, that's that's
what I'd like to bring. That's that's my favorite memory
of Halloway.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
So basically what you've done in your book is incorporated
nine walking tours with maps, and it's basically a do
it yourself ghost.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Tour essentially, it is. There are four primary tours. There's
one for Providence, the other one for Prudence, Newport and
James ten. What I had to do with some of
the other sites was include them in there. It wasn't
very linear, like there's a great park called for Barton

(20:59):
and beautiful little three miles of trail going into the
forest and by some swamps. So that's what I did,
was like for the tours themselves. Yeah, I just did
a lot of research, walked around and basically kind of
like Province was the best because I had something to

(21:22):
work with, whereas with Newport, Jamestown and Cruden's Island, I
had to basically sit down scratch out the tour. And
like Newport, I did it as more of a loop,
so you could start at one place and you do
a loop around the waterfront, go up towards the Viking Tower,

(21:43):
come back and you're roughly about a block away from
where you started, which is the White Horse Tavern, and
it's the oldest cabin in the United States. Of course
it's haunted because it's in Rhode Island.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
And of course it's haunted because so many people go
to that pub just to see and drink the spirits.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
You know, there were definitely you can guarantee to see
spirits there of one sort of the other, most more
likely behind the bar.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
So let me ask you, are you a believer or
are you a skeptic? Or are you the kind of
person that says, I don't know, I'm still sitting on
the fence when it comes to ghosts.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's one of those things where I like, when I
was writing the book, some of them, some of the
stories I came across, were like a little bit out detail,
a little bit too dramatic. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm
not going to write this one. You know, there was
one that I really liked about Newport and it was
essentially the chief of police of Newport. I forgot the

(22:44):
exact year. What he did was he actually assigned two
police officers to sit in one of his houses that
he owned, like a rental house. And essentially what happened
was there was somebody knocking on the wooden work and
to my knowledge, they never caught the ghosts that one. Yeah,

(23:06):
I tend to believe maybe it's a ghost. It could
also be bad piping. It could be And this kind
of goes back to what we were saying before. Why
I think ghost stories are so popular because there's a
debate for them.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yes, at the time was the house occupied there was?

Speaker 5 (23:25):
It was actually the tenants of the house complained to
the owner, who was the chief of police, who turned
around and assigned the two police officers.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
And there's a good use of the taxpayers money having
two cops after a ghost. Listen, you and I have
to take a break, my friend. Police stand By Guidebook
to Haunted and Strange Places in Rhode Island and surrounds.
And it's published by our good friends at Schifferbooks dot com.
And if you'd like to I am Rob McConnell. This
is the ex OWNE and Charles Harrington and I will

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Speaker 4 (28:21):
Wow, Welcome back everyone. Charles Harrington is my special guest.
In fact, during the break, we played a little sound
bite to hear what Craig was coming back with when
we come back out of the commercial break, and Charles
so aptly nailed it. The Ghost of Disco's past. Hey,

(28:44):
that's a great one. Charles and then of course, you know,
I just had to spoil it by saying maybe we
should do a Christmas show with that, And Charles, you said.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I said, Santa Claus can pop on out with his
polyest or leisure suit, and.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
We're all said, oh my gosh, exce nation. And Charles
is the author of guidebook to Haunted and Strange Places
in Rhode Island and surrounds. It's available from our good
friends at ship or Press. Charles, could you take us
on what one of the shortest, shortest tours that you
give in your book? You know, yeah, you do that, Yeah,

(29:18):
just a little lot.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
So probably the shortest one is probably going to be Jamestown,
and it's it's a small town. It's often overlooked, unfortunately,
because it's right across the bay from Newport and in
the summer there's actually a very little ferry that runs
from Newport over to Jamestown. And what you do it

(29:41):
does it drops you off right in the docks, and
so like it's this beautiful pier area. You can see
like commercial fishing boats tied up alongside like a multimillion
dollar yacht during the summer and in the winter course
it's the summer community, so everything dies down a little bit,

(30:03):
and there used to be a lot of hotels and
inns over there. But going back into the history, what
happened was they had these very large ferries that would
go back and forth on a daily basis, you know,
multiple times a day. And when they built the Newport Bridge,
it connected it to the island, and the ferry services

(30:27):
gradually just died off. So when the ferry service died
off the bridge it connected to Jamestown. There was another
bridge on the other side, so people quite often would
just cut straight crops. They wouldn't even stop in Jamestown.
So the ends kind of like badly died, and what

(30:49):
they did was they tore them down. Then oddly enough,
somebody rebuilt one of the condominium complex. It looked like
one of the old hotels. And that's what Greeche is.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Like.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Get off the boat if you're taking the ferry over
and you walk around. There's a great little seafood restaurant
right on the waterfront there, obviously fresh there's a great
little liquor store with you go right in the back
of it. They have like all these specialty cheeses and

(31:23):
imported cold cuts and it's a little bit on the
pricey side. I mean it's well worth and so it's
a good place pick a little snack. Then you basically
cross the road, you start walking up and you go
buy like a nice little cafe called the Narraganty Cafe.

(31:45):
It's actually more of a bar. It's going it's an
old like stone wooden floor, actually had a like I
think it was a shopple board up against one wall.
You just go in there, grab some good old fashioned
pub food if you want. It's kind of dagonally across
the street from the old Jamestown fire station, and in

(32:10):
the summer they actually have like a small little firehouse museum,
like they're showing off the old engines. Further down there
is the one and the only the Philomenian Library of Jamestown,
although I think it's actually the Jamestown Philhomedian Library, and
they're quite blunt about it. They've come out and just said, yeah,

(32:32):
we made up the term Philomenian. They just like the
way it sounds.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Well, it does have a kind of neat sound. I
would imagine it sounds very different when people are filled
with spirits exactly.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
So you stop off, grab a Pinter or two. Go
on down and you'll be amazed how wonderful Philomedion sounds
when you're drunk.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Sure, sure s Shiloh, there you go.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
But perhaps like the most haunted region in Jamestown though,
is for a Weatherill, And that's on the southern tip
of the island, and it's actually Jamestown's on Connecticut Island.
And what it is is that it's this old worth
that goes back centuries literally, and this is where the

(33:23):
demon dog from Hades has been chasing people for centuries.
There have been reports that had chasing British soldiers back
in the American Revolution. During the late nineteenth thirty twentieth century,
the US Army, in the US Navy built up the area.

(33:43):
There was like this large fortification built right down the
bottom coastal guns bunkers. And when eventually the US Navy
left in the seventies, well the name is still there,
but I mean when they left Fort Weatherill, So I

(34:05):
mean when I say still that there's still a newport.
But when they left Fort Weatherill, they had nothing to do.
They couldn't do anything with these bunkers. They were just
so hard and you couldn't demolish them. So yeah, it's
been turned into a bit of a park, and they

(34:25):
did put steel doors over the you know, all the
entrances going into the bunkers, and of course, you know,
some very nice people have ripped them apart. So you
can now go into the corridors of these bunkers. It's
not advised. The floor has been ripped up as well.

(34:49):
It's very uneven, but of course people go in there.
And people have reported still being chased by this large
black dog with glows red eyes. When I was down there,
the closest thing I was so I was this little
beagle that decided I was his friend and came running

(35:10):
up to me. But that was about it. I didn't
see the demon dog afore.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Weather or.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Maybe the poor demon dog passed on and went to
the happy hunting ground. Maybe it saw the light. Could
be the seeah that or somebody smarkel light at the
end of the tunnel and just yeah yeah, or somebody
leaving the pub after having a little bit too much
to drink trying to say flash, I got behind the
wheel of the car and hit the damn dog. You

(35:36):
never know these days there. Okay, so where do we go?
From there.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
From there, that's that's pretty much Jamestown. And there is
the beaver Tail Lighthouse, the beaver Tail Lights, and that
is Yes, it's basically Connecticut Island is two large islands
connected by one very narrow iss and the lighthouse is

(36:04):
at the very southern tip of the whole land. Mask
What this does is that basically it was guiding ships
that were coming in and still there, it's still in operation.
Of course, it's been taken over by the West Coast Guard.
Now the US Coast Guard has a radio navigation begon

(36:25):
there and the lighthouse itself is I want to say
some of my private now, but I have to double
check my notes. But that's this is also where I
personally think the Viking colony of norm Vega might be.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Now, why do you say that, I was going to
ask you about that, because I'm very I'm very interested
in the Vikings, especially since you know, everybody credits Christopher
Columbus with discovering American and anybody who's ever gone to
school and actually learned anything to know that the Vikings
were here way before Columbus.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
It's basically, there's a gentleman who wrote a book back
in the nineteen hundreds. I'm just actually playing to let
see where is that? Now there we go. Defense of
Norm Baker was written by a gentleman named even Norton Horsford,
and it was published in eighteen ninety one. Basically described

(37:29):
norm Baker as being like on this island, surrounded by
water on two sides, you could sail up the bay.
There was this large waterfall further up the bay. That
waterfall kind of resembles, you know, in print the quickeshon

(37:52):
waterfalls from Fall River or River Massachusetts. Now in far
from Massachusetts. It was actually a skeleton and armor that
was found as well back in the eighteen hundreds, and
the armor allegedly was like it wasn't it just seemed
really odd. It didn't seem to be English. It might

(38:13):
have been Spanish. Some people theorized it might have been Viking.
And in the Jamestown Philhamedian Library they actually have some
armor as well well, brass plates that kind of resemble armor,
and they found it on the island. So that's like,

(38:37):
I mean, there's been a couple of scattered pieces of
evidence in the area that kind of point towards the vikings,
and just the description of Norm Baker in the book
The Defense of Norm Bega. I kind of think that
this might be it.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Wow, So is it safe to say that, based on
the research that you've done, that the Vikings actually colonized
the area of Rhode Island.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
I wouldn't say one, that's it's my theory, you know,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't go out and write an entire
book just on that. And I mean, I'm not as
adamant about this as a lot of people are. I
think it's a very strong possibility. And while I was

(39:33):
researching the book, I did come across a reference to
a tribe that nobody had a name for. They were
very good with stone cutting and everything else. And I
think I'm like, Okay, there's a possibility of maybe it
was a Viking ship blown off course. Maybe it, you know,
beached itself in this area. You know, if if maybe

(39:57):
fifteen twenty sailors jumped off the boat, they couldn't make
it back, or they just decided to stay here. Yeah,
maybe they made a go for it, and perhaps, you know, sadly,
they might have just died, and you know, history, the

(40:18):
history of this little expedition died with them. As a
possibility of it.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Wow, history is so rich. Do you think that that
we honor history enough as time progresses or do you,
like me, find that the historical values of cities, towns, country, monuments, buildings,
It seemed they seem to lose their their importance in

(40:46):
today's technological age. And to hear somebody like you discussing
what you're discussing and how you take pride in the
rich history, Wow, it's a welcome change.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Oh, thank you. I think it is kind of sadly
being forgotten. And it's like, that's another reason why I
wanted to write this guidebook is more a case of
like trying to get people to go out and walk
around and enjoy history. And I didn't want to write
a you know, straight up ghost tour. I wanted to

(41:20):
write something a little bit different. You know, like, hey,
you know what, here's a haunted tavern. It's right next
to an old baseball field where people still play baseball tonight,
and it just happens to be right across the street
from where there was a lot of rum running in
the nineteen twenties. So it's just kind of like introducing
people to the very you know, eclectic history of a region. Yes,

(41:46):
I mean cover rum running and cover ghosts in the
American Revolution, and you can do all that and like
maybe a half mile stretch.

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Speaker 4 (48:41):
Welcome back, every one. Charles Harrington is our special guest
to this areksonash. We're talking about his book, Guidebook to
Haunted and Strange Places in Rhode Island and surrounds, and
it's available on Amazon dot com as well as on
the website of our friends at Schiffer Books at www
dot Shiffer books dot com. I'm still trying to get

(49:06):
a hold fathom the half deer half goat.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, I am too.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
I can come up with a few explanations on my own,
Like you either had a horny goat or a horny
deer and they just wanted to buck around. That was
pretty bad, I know, but okay, so m hm, it
sounds like that. Do you remember the I forget what

(49:37):
show it was on. But they also they always had
a jackalope, a jack rabbit crossed with an antelope.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Oh what was that?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
It was really good we both remember the title no problems. Okay, yeah,
So so do you? How do you? How do you
as a historian, as a teacher, as a person who
does serious travel. Guys, when you hear of a jackal
if I'm sorry, I have a what the doat a
dot A dot A dote? It sounds like what's one

(50:11):
on wanted? The guy goes do't? Or what was that
your wife said to you the other day when you
came home drug dot So it almost sounds like something
you'd hear on the Simpsons.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
It does. Yeah, actually it sounds like Homer Simpson.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeh, yeah, it does. So how do you? Is there
any reason, is there any rhyme that that you've found
during your research that that would indicate that this is
actually something that has been seen or is this just
another myth that enriches the local history.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Now, this actually was seen, and this was one of
the weird things. I was actually sitting when I was
back in college. I was sitting in college library at
Roger Williams. I picked up a newspaper and this is
like emblazon on the front page of the newspaper, and
I think it was the brisk Phoenix and I'm looking

(51:04):
at this and I'm like I read the article and
I'm like, wow, this is just so weird. And then
I read prude and silent. I'm like, okay to go
out there. So me, being a good college student that
I am, I played hooky and went out to go
try finding this dolt one day. And the article was
a really well written article. Yea, And I can't remember

(51:26):
the gentleman's name, but he was reporting the article as
saying that very likely it might be just a miniature deer.
So Matgice just like a a really short miniature deer.
But a lot of people say we resemble to goat
at some point, and so I mean, again, this is

(51:48):
one of those things where you can sit back and
you can have a fun discussion on you know what
this was. You know, but I kind of leaned towards
the probably miniature deer.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Yeah, so would I, because you know, I've certainly seen
miniature dear And how how anybody could ever kind of
I think it looks like a boot is beyond me.
Mind you. It depends on how many how many spirits
they had in the pub on the way home.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
I guess I was going to say it's Cruden's Island
is actually a rather unique little community because they have
very little infrastructure. They still don't have an ATM out
there to my knowledge. Wow, and there's just like the
little general store and you know, so any spirits must

(52:39):
have been like brought over on the boat or you know, homemade,
and the homemade is you know, variety could probably lead
to a lot of.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Sightings, I would imagine. So I certainly would imagine. So
what is your next project?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Are you going to be doing more power normal books?
So are you going to be getting back into mainstream tourism.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
The next book I'm actually working on now. I was
just speaking with somebody at Schiffer about it maybe about
three or four weeks ago. I'm still waiting for the okay,
but I'm starting the research now, just basically more spots
off the beaten path. So kind of like I was
just out of Westerly, Rhode Island just a couple of

(53:29):
weeks ago, as it was like beautiful little town that
just seems to be completely forgotten and it looks like
it was an old stagecoach town, and you know, people
have this image of a stagecoach out in the west
but if we got the stage coaches were actually pretty
common in New England for a while. And there's a

(53:50):
brewery up there, and you know, this gorgeous library with
history is basically was built as like a VFW hall almost,
So I think of like basically more you know, places
like that, just a lot of places that sadly people
forget about.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
So when you write a book about the these places
that are you know, off the off the main off
the main trail or whatever, how do the people feel
who are off the main road who wanted to get
away from the you know, the the everyday traffic of

(54:35):
hikers and those who wanted to take up to the
trail that now there's an author like yourself who's spilling
all the beams.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
I have Actually, I haven't had any negative experiences. One
experience that jumps to mine was this small little distillery
in a village called Yagyu, Japan, right And I went
in after a long hike, and it's at the very
end of a trail and went in one day and

(55:05):
like you, started chatting with the lady behind the counter.
You know, she was offering free samples of sake. And
I'm like, of course, I will have some.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Wait a second, hold on, hold on here, hold on here.
It seems that wherever you go, there's booze. It is
all right. Hey, you and I got to hang out
one day.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
We got to do that.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
We'll exchange stories. We'll look for the we'll look for
the dot, either that or will create for the We'll
create our own dot.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
We'll make our own doe.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
You're looking for the bucking.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
You know, if we could be dangerous together. My friend so,
so before I so redly interrupted you, you were at
this restaurant getting free samples of saki.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Oh it was a distillery. They're actually they made the sock. Yeah,
they made the sake, and back and at a little
storefront and I asked the woman you know him. I said, hey,
I'm running for a magazine. You might have I mentioned
your distillery. And next thing I know, I'm getting a
tour of the whole process. And woman is explaining everything
to me in Japanese, and I'm like making out probably

(56:16):
every fifth or sixth word because she's going into the
technical details of how to distill alcohol. And I'm like,
I just imagine I did look like that deer in
the headlights at some point because I'm like, oh, okay,
I understood water and oh that's rice. I know that
word now, Yes, But I mean she was exceptionally pleasant.

(56:40):
And that's been the reaction I've gotten from a lot
of people when I go off to these places. Wow.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Well, no matter what, you and my friend, I wish
you much success. And how do you celebrate Halloween in
Rhode Island?

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Actually I'm right across the border and Massachusetts.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Ah, that's why you're picking up.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Yeah, Basically what it is I'm like roughly right now,
I'm roughly about a mile and a half from the
Red Island border. Sorry, I mean like south eastern New England.
This year will probably a big surprise, will probably up
at a bar. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
You know, I learned something the other day that I
will never forget. We're going over to my daughter's house
for Halloween. I'm sorry Thanksgiving, and you know Thanksgiving is
the onset of fall festivities, food, pumpkins and so on.
I had my drawer a brand new orange T shirt

(57:44):
I hadn't worn yet. I was saving it for a
special occasion. I never know what that special occasion was,
because I hope it never came because I really didn't
like the shirt. So my wife says to me, why
don't you wear this to Thanksgiving dinner? And I'm saying,
you to be kidding. Well, I was thinking a lot worse,
but that's what came out because I've learned over the

(58:04):
many years we've been married to put that filter in place.
And you know, I said, okay, makes her happy, makes
my life easy. H So we get into walking too
my daughter's house and she says, oh, my god, Dad,
you're the great pumpkin. So I just looked at my
wife and she said, oh, I still like it on you.

(58:26):
They're only kidding when you're six foot five and somebody
says you look like they're great pumpkin wearing a T
shirt that is orange. You can't take them for any
other way but being serious.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
YEP.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
So I promised myself when my wife suggests I wear
something to the family dinner, I will say no. Now,
I wouldn't mind wearing that T shirt going to a
pub with you on Hallowe because I think it would
be really cool, Like, yeah, that's what it's meant for.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Yeah, I know you said yeah, I mean leading up
to Halloween. I'm actually there were a few people at work.
They were talking about going into the Freetown State Forest,
which is like allegedly the most haunted forest in Massachusetts.
So probably going into the forest at some point during

(59:27):
the day, because you know, I'm not not that crazy
or not that drunk at the moment.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
He said, at this moment, at this moment, Well, hey, listen, buddy,
you and I have to say so long for tonight.
It's been great having you with us. Love to have
you back on in the future and continued success. And
to you and yours happy Halloween. And I hope you
do not get a stiff a stiff elbow enjoying your

(59:55):
Halloween festivities.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
I will do my best round. Thank you much for having.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Me own you take care yourself. Hex oonation. My guess
this hour has been Charles Harrington, where you've been talking
about his book that has all these great haunted locations
in Rhode Island. It's got maps, it's a do it
yourself and that's what makes it so special. Guide to
Haunted and strange places in Rhode Island and surrounds. My

(01:00:19):
name is Rob McConnell. I'll be back after this break,
whatever you do, don't go away.