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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Oh horray, Welcome to the Exisode, a place where fact
is fiction and fiction is reality.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now here's your host, Rob Konno.

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pisus like you always do. Don't need to be cool
in there.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
He even about the party, I can't go answer.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Shots to the getsigain.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
And good evening, one and all, and welcome back to
the X Zone. I am Rob McConnell, and for the
next two hours, I'm your host and your guidance. Together
we will cross the time space continuum to this place
that I call the X Zone. It's a place where
people dare to believe and dare to be heard. It's
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And we come to you Monday through Friday from ten
pm Eastern until midnight right here on your hometown radio,

(01:37):
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twelve twenty dot CA. My guest this hour Exhonation is

(02:00):
Arlie Johnson, and we asked something at the back of
our guest submission forums, and I always enjoy seeing what
guests put there, and Charlie, you put something very interesting here.
The paranormal becomes normal when you understand how consciousness, the mind,
and universe works. I like to keep it simple, so
more people will feel comfortable sharing their experiences with the world,

(02:21):
and so more we'll understand there is nothing crazy about
those experiences. Charlie is joining SF from Salt Lake City, Utah,
and his website, if you'd like to check him out
later on, is www dot You got that all right,
www Dot Clear your lake dot com and Charlie Johnson,

(02:45):
Welcome to the X Zone.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Charlie, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Born and raised in Utah, very religious state, very Mormon state.
I was not that. I was not Catholic, I was
not atheist. I didn't do well around kids my age.
I got offered a job at a very young age
which got me around adults. I thrived. I loved it.
I loved being around them. I loved asking tons of questions.

(03:12):
Being a sponge business did well. I flew two million
miles in that business and then developed developed a fear
of flying. And then all of a sudden, as soon
as I left that business, i was back on a
plane to Europe. So it wasn't about the fear of flying,
it was about the universe. It was about the universe

(03:33):
trying to get me out of that business. So that's that.
And then went onto the Pay at Forward Foundation, tried
to save the world through random acts of kindness. And
during that time I spent about a decade with a
very enlightened teacher who showed me a lot of the
stuff that we will talk about on the show that
defies the laws of physics. And I'm a not a believer,

(03:53):
a knower and a lot of this stuff because I
saw firsthand.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
What did you see firsthand that convinced you that what
you're we're seeing was actually real levitation? Levitation levitation?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, I saw him. He scared a lot of people
because he very kindly would tell them they would need
to go to the hospital or get something checked. It
could be a diagnosis of something very severe or something minor.
He was one hundred percent right all the time, and
it scared a lot of people off the akashic records,
the invisible libraries, the people doing energy healings from ten

(04:29):
thousand miles away through a call like you and I
are doing. It's all consciousness, It's all connected, Charlie.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Why is it that it seems here we are in
the year twenty twenty five, that more and more people
are turning to what they call alternative, alternative medicine, alternative consciousness,
and are slowly just kind of slipping away from mainstream.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Kind of like an eight year old believing in Santa Claus.
When they're nine, they still do ten, maybe a little
questioning eleven. By the time the twelve or thirteen, they
don't believe in Santa clausic.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Oh wait a second year, there is no Santa Clause.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah. I got to use a different metaphor because I
always get that frame reaction.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, let's think of the construct of what you said.
You called it alternative medicine, right, we were conditioned to
believe that was alternative medicine, that was the medicine until
this current form of humanity came about, took over by science, medicine,
everything else. And my question is not one of them
being right or wrong. My question is always how does

(05:32):
the world look. We've never been so divided, We've never
been so conflicted, We've never had so much disease, We've
never had so much access to so many books on happiness,
so many life hacks, so much information, so much knowledge.
Yet were more depressed, more sick, more divided, and more
conflicted than ever. We need to change some stuff.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
That is so very true, Charlie. But how do we
go about changing man? What do we have to do
change the way that we see the world. Do we
need to dig deep to find out what the truth is?
What's the solution?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, luckily, when we're left to our own devices, you
see the world we create. Luckily, the shift of consciousness
on this planet, that natural force that turns an eleven
year old into twelve, is at the most aggressive shift
humanity's ever seen. So, like you said, you were talking
about how more and more people are being kind of
pushed into alternative medicines that's not on their own doing.

(06:29):
That's again like the Santa Claus. And we get older
and we don't bring Santa Claus. That alternative method is
going to become normal as time goes on, the speeding
up of time. You talked about the space time continuum.
The construct is being dissolved. Things are speeding up. People
are starting to question their beliefs. They're starting to question medicines.
And it's not a bad thing. It's really not a

(06:50):
bad thing. It's not bad for a night year old
to believe in Santa Claus. That's where they are at
their state of consciousness. Now, consciousness is shifting, it's raising.
People are more clear, they're asking different questions. And luckily,
like I said, that is naturally happening without humans being involved,
because if we're involved, we would screw it up.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
So, Charlie, we do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Do we need to?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Absolutely not. No, No, there's quite a few people who are
jumping over that fence thinking things need to be torn down,
reinvent the will. Capitalism sucks this. No, this is not
the spiritual path. The spiritual path is just as dogmatic
as the religious path. The spiritual people left religion behind
because it was dogmatic, it was structured, and they didn't
like it. Well, they just went and created the same
thing with spirituality. This is not about tearing anything down.

(07:35):
It's about taking the good things of both sides of
the coin, the heads and the tails, and merging them.
The gap between employees and executives, the gaps between my
gods better than your god, the gap between the rich
and the poor, of the gap between politics is widening.
Every side thinks they're right and where they're going to Finally,

(07:56):
at some point in the future, they're going to win.
We've done that since the begin into humanity. It's not
working out too well. So we need to bridge the gap,
and again, luckily consciousness is helping us do that.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
How can we see as individuals that we're actually starting
to bridge the gap and that we're starting to have
a reawakening and we're able to decipher on our own
what is fact and what is fiction.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
You'll notice it because it usually starts out as a
feeling of something off right. If you've spent your entire
forty fifty sixty years on this planet believing Catholicism is
the only way, which is fine, and you start to
question it, r that's going to be scary. But if
you understand consciousness and you've got someone wise in your
life that says that's not scary, that's just you evolving,

(08:51):
then that kind of removes the fear and they feel
more comfortable asking those questions. Maybe they read different books,
maybe they go talk to someone different, maybe they question
certain things. And it's not in a questioning of like
you said, you don't burn it down, you don't go
leave your family, you don't leave your life behind for
the hamalias to meditate. That's not the dharma for me
and everyone on this planet. Most people, it's just the shift,

(09:14):
and that shift is usually uncomfortable. Like a kid that's
eleven and grew six inches, he's got growing pains, but
he's wondering where the injury is. It's not an injury,
it's just growing pains, and we come out of it.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Now.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Doing this show for the past thirty five plus years,
I've had so many people on Charlie. Some of them
talk about that we're in a different dimension that we're in.
There's parallel universes, there are black holes, and I've heard
every story about every religious philosophy under the sun. And
how is it that we were going to be able

(09:49):
to recognize on our own what these changes are and
how we can expedite these changes and work in unison
with everyone else who who is facing the same conundrum
that we are.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Comes back to what we just talked about. We can't
speed it up. There is a natural force and consciousness
that is pushing people to do this, to question, to
turn an eleven year old into twelve, to take someone
who believes in Santa Claus, to question if there is
a Santa claus Us. I know that there's always people
that are listening with that question. They want an answer.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
We're in this time of LinkedIn and gurus and teachers
saying here's the ten point list, here's the five steps
to doing what you want. Five steps to enlightenmen, five
steps to become more aware. It's five steps for one person,
and for the other person it's ten for the other person.
They think it's completely wrong. What's ethical to one is
unethical to the other. So it's just simply listening to

(10:50):
conversations like this. They can't unhear it. They can't unhear
your questions. They can't unhear an answer like mine is
probably different than most people will hear. Plants a seed.
The universe is an incredible gardener. It'll water that seed. Luckily,
we have the force of consciousness behind that that's really
going to put the It's like putting a plan on steroids.

(11:11):
It's like putting that seed in the mind of an
individual on steroids. It's really speeding things up becoming more aware.
Simply is you're a Republican and Susie's a Republican, ads
a Democrat. Susie hates At simply for the fact he's
a Trump Trump guy. Ed hates Susie because she's a Biden.

(11:32):
When you have the abilities such as myself, with my
train and my teacher, everything, you have neutrality when you
ask individuals and you have no dog in the fight. Hey, Susie,
you do realize I know you don't like Ed, but
Ed thinks you're just as crazy as he is. You
do realize that, I know you think he's ruining the
world with his political party. He thinks you're ruining the
world with your political party. That's not about changing their views,

(11:55):
because you know you know as well as I do,
that's not going to happen. But when someone brings it
to him very simple, very succinctly, and very calmly, in
a very neutral fashion, when they know I don't care
about either side, I'm not for them or against them,
it really opens up their awareness. It really expands their
consciousness to at least at least possibly think they could

(12:18):
be wrong. And that's all we need. Because we're not
taking all eight billion people to the top of the mountain.
What we can do with the consciousness on this planet
is we can take a second grader to third or fourth.
We can take someone in elementary to junior high. And
if I have a company, if I have a family,
if I have individuals in my life, I would rather

(12:38):
have a fourth grader than a second grader. They're a
little bit more self sufficient, They're a little bit more smart, smarter,
they have a little bit understanding better understanding of math.
We're just going to subtly shift humanity. But that subtle
shift that seems small is huge on a global scale.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Huge.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Charlie, please stand by. I've got to take my first
break into explanation. Charlie Johnson is my special guest of
this hour. His website is www dot Clear your Lake
dot com and Charlie is the author of Truth Has
No Sides. And Charlie and I will return on the
other side of this very short break as the Xzone
continues on the XON Broadcast Network. Talkstar Radio Network, Mutual

(13:19):
Broadcast Network, Voice of Canada Broadcast Network, and of course
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the other side of this very short break. So whatever
you do, x O nation, don't go away. My name

(13:40):
Rob McConnell. Let me see you. Awakening Consciousness, Enlightenment, truth
and much more.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Don't go away.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
When I first saw you, I saw love. And the
first time you've touched me, I fellow, And after all
this time, you're still the one I love.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, it looks like we made it. Look how far
we've come up.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Me there, we're man to the long way.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
We knew we'd get there.

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Someday they said I've bed they'll never make it. But
just look gay us Nole, We still together, Still go.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Charlie Johnson is my special guest on the Sour Explanation.
We're talking about awakening, Consciousness, Enlightenment, truth and much more.
And Charlie is the author of Truth Has No Sides.
His website www. Dot Clear Your Lake dot com. Charlie
I understand the importance of neutralism, but how do we
get everyone on the same track, Because you know, I've

(15:37):
always believed that there's three sides to every story, his side,
her side, and the truth. So how do we get
his side and her side to kind of look for
the neutrality in the situation that they're involved with number one?
And how do we get other people to get on
board and look for the neutral solutions instead of looking

(16:00):
for hard yes or hard no.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
You don't wow anyone who says otherwise is full of it.
You have to understand the level of consciousness on this planet.
The vast majority of this planet is very low, like
elementary type. Now, let me reframe that. That's not about intelligence.
There's incredibly intelligent people who have very low levels of clarity.

(16:25):
Clarity means I'm looking at your picture in Skype, those
glasses you have on your head. If those glasses were
caked with grease, you would not be able to see
through them. You would have to guess what was on
the other side. That's why two Harvard grad one sixty
IQ individuals can come out of that school, same education,
same background, same everything. They're guessing what it is they're

(16:49):
guessing Democrats are right, Republicans are wrong. They're guessing Catholicism
is right, an atheism, or a bunch of idiots. They're
guessing those two individuals can be such odd odds with
each other, the nervous system in our body and the universe.
Understanding how humans function in this physicality. Taking everyone to

(17:10):
that neutral state absolutely impossible. It's like taking a second
grader and putting them in college, so they're concerned with
the crush they have at the girl next door. Now
you're going to tell them to drive a car, have
a girlfriend, and go find a job. It's not going
to happen. We have to be realistic with how this
world functions. I'm saying this from a very neutral standpoint.

(17:31):
We don't get mad at an eight year old for
being in second grade and a sixteen year old and
tenth grade is not better than the eight year old.
They're just a difference understanding different stages of their existence.
What we can do is what we talked about before
the first break. We can take a second grader and
push them to third or fourth. We can subtly shift
them to the point where they understand things a little

(17:51):
bit more, a little bit more self sufficient, a little
bit more clear, a little bit more mature, a little
bit more intelligent. That subtle shift across to eight million
people is the shift we need, and over time it
will grow with the shift of consciousness on this planet.
And when you talk to them more about this, and
I very much appreciate you allowing this conversation to happen,

(18:14):
such as dozens of other podcasts in the last month,
people are starting to understand the consciousness the position of
Chief Consciousness Officer that I created for businesses. They're starting
to understand what that is. They're starting to see the
power in neutrality. To think that's going to be everyone,
it's not. It reminds me of the time when technology

(18:35):
took over businesses thirty forty years ago. We knew technology
was coming, We knew it was going to be aggressive
and fast. The CEO and all of the intelligence C
suite executives knew it, but they didn't understand code, They
didn't understand websites. They have no clue what the Internet was,
and none of them could do anything about it. So
who did they hire a CTO? There were people on

(18:57):
this planet that understand technology. Do I understand technology? Even
this longer, this much. No, I have no clue. I
can't code to save my life. That's a whole new language.
But I still use technology, and I'm okay with that.
I'm not upset because some chief technology officer is smarter
in a certain aspect of this world. I just so
happen to have a very neutral, blank slate with a

(19:20):
very unique teacher that stripped me away, gave me the
neutrality to allow me to see both sides, so I
can be a part of that change, helping companies, individuals,
organizations have these conversations so we can slowly expand the
awareness of a second grader to make them see things
a little bit more clearly. But to your original question,

(19:43):
how do we get everyone? There? Absolutely no chance, no
chance whatsoever. But that's not a bad thing. That's just evolution.
That's just we can't an eight year old naturally turns
nine after three hundred and sixty five days. We don't
skip nine, ten, eleven, twelve to get to fifteen. We
got to go through nine. We got to go through can,
we got to go through eleven. That's just how it is.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
So Charlie, in your eyes, how would this world differ
if every if everyone was neutral, they believe it's in neutrality.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Pardon, it wouldn't exist.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
So then what is the significance of neutrality if if
everyone believes in neutrality, everyone acts in a neutral way,
that the world would not exist.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Asked that one more time, so I got the framework
of it.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Okay, I asked you you know about how this world
would be different if everyone believed in neutrality, and you
said it wouldn't exist. So my question was, why then
do we need to take a different approach to life
and instead of being positive or negative we go neutral?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Why don't we the same the same reason a nine
year old looks at the world differently than they did
when they were eight.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
All right, I enderstand that. I understand that yet. But
we're talking about changing a world, a belief or the
way that a person sees something. Instead of the glass
being half empty, it's going to be half full. And
how is this going to work? And what is going
to change if there are still those who believe in

(21:23):
negative and positive and that to them, whether they are
neutral or not makes no difference.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, I'm not asking them to be neutral. I'm simply
understanding them to be a little bit more clear on
the Republican Democrat side, the Catholic and atheist side, the
negative and positive side that you're talking about. When we
understand math when we're eight years old, we understand math
at nine, ten, fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade. We
have a better understanding of math. That math is more

(21:51):
applied to our existence and to our life. It's better
right when individuals, again, I'm not asking anyone to change
their beliefs these conversations of talking about neutrality, letting them
know that the Democrats and the Republicans are coming from
the same spot. Just that shift of understanding, that shift
of awareness, minimizes, reduces the division and conflict on this

(22:17):
planet just naturally. Because if we have the video one
our scope, our perception is so limited. It's basically like
horse and the blinders. When you expand awareness, you're taking
the blinders off the horse. They get to see things differently.
The glasses on your head, if you're not guessing what's
on the other side, and I remove the grease from
those glasses, you see directly that it's a tree, it's

(22:39):
not a monster, it's a mountain, it's a person, it's
a car, it's a road, we're not seeing clearly. To
take everyone to that point, it's not going to happen.
To get them to be neutral, it's not going to happen.
I'm talking about neutrality from my standpoint, to help both
sides see each other more commonly. I'm not asking them
to be neutral. I'm not asking them to change their beliefs,

(22:59):
to change their ideals, to change anything. But when someone
approaches them and has them think about the division of
conflict they create in just a subtly different way, it
shifts everything.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
But if this is the way, if this is what
we want to do, is just show them the difference,
then I'm having a problem understanding the concept of what
you're trying to do or the message you're trying to
get across.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Hello, Oh, I'm here. Okay, I don't even know how
I answered that. Great question. Great question that takes someone
like me who talks about this a lot and then
shuts them up. I would assume that most people on

(23:59):
this planet want to leave the world better for their kids, right.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Oh, I agree? I agree?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay, Well, every time we choose a side, we are
creating the division and conflict that we want to rid
the world of. How does it get any better unless
someone brings to the awareness that we're both doing that,
that the Republicans think in Democrats are idiots, and they
both think they're idiots. That we've been doing this since
the beginning of time, beginning of humanity, nothing's changed. One

(24:28):
side truly believes at some point in the future they're
going to win and the other side's going to lose.
How does that help anybody? The house divided always falls
simply bringing awareness to the individual to show them there
is a better way, a less divided and less conflicted way,
to make them understand I truly do love my children,
and I do want to leave it better for the

(24:50):
next generation. To help them understand that they really think
the other side is the only issue causing the division
of conflict. To show them their creating the same division
and conflict will at least bring awareness to them to
slowly reduce that division and conflict.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
But what happens in a case of set rules that
neutrality doesn't apply to, for example, the law or yeah,
let's stick with the law. You know where you can't
do this because these are the consequences if you go
into a bank with a gun and you rob the bank.

(25:31):
No matter what your belief is, whether you're neutral or not,
or whether you're positive or negative, you broke the law.
There are certain circum you know, consequences for breaking that law,
and you have to suffer the consequence if you get caught.
So how does this relate to neutrality?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Then neutrality doesn't. The neutrality of that has no case
in the law. That's the law. You break the law.
That's that works for that. That type of stuff works
across republicandemic, right, it works across every religion, it works
across every political party, every religious party. If you break
the law, this happens. Let's think about that in a
different way, because in different countries women can't.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Drive different different countries, different laws. I agree with that,
But what's diffical to.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Us is unethical to someone in the Middle East, and
vice versa.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
So what then is the sense of the neutrality If
it's okay to do something, let's say, in the United Kingdom,
to drive on the different side of the road than
we drive over here in North America.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I kind of get why you're trying to connect these two.
I'm trying to think of the best way to answer it.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
All right, Why don't we take a commercial break. I'll
give you a couple of seconds to muld it over
ex oanation. Our guest this hour is Charlie Johnson. His
website is Clear your Lake dot com. And Charlie and
I will be back on the other side this break,
as the xone continues with yours truly, Rob McConnell from
our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada

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(27:28):
be back after this very short break.

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a way. I took back those words that are hurt
you and you stay. I don't know why I did
the things I did, and I don't know why I

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said the things I said.

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Speaker 5 (28:54):
Mad and welcome back everyone. Don't forget for the twenty
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April twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, Election day in Canada.
Our guess this hour explanation is Charlie Johnson. His website
is clear youorlake dot com and Charlie is the author
of Truth Has No Sides. Charlie, let me ask you this.
I'm trying to figure out. I'm looking at neutrality as

(29:36):
the three sides of the sword. You know, his side,
her side in the truth, one cannot exist without the
other because we live in a binary existence up down,
in out, black, white, and so on. So where does
neutrality fit in? And if neutrality isn't really a way

(29:58):
to make this a better way world or to help
people understand and look at life differently. What use is it?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
What in the first two segments would make you think
the neutrality doesn't help this world? Though, with what we
were discussing.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Well, I can't see any proof that neutrality really works.
I've been thinking about I've been thinking about what you
said about the Democrats and the Republicans, and if you
get neutrality there, one party is still going to be
the leader in the House and the other party is

(30:37):
going to be the minority. Nothing would have changed except
the number of representatives or congressmen or senators in each situation.
So where would this neutrality help.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I know, I've done your show before and I'm not
I know, I'm not supposed to swear I would. I
literally want to say, I have no clue. I don't
know how to compute that question logically. Okay, that's a
great question. You've tripped me up. That's perfect. That's a
beautiful thing. That's going to make me. That's going to
force me to think about that.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Believe me, I'm not trying to trip you up, Charlie.
I'm just trying to know. I'm trying to understand.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I want to know the angles I really want to
know the angles I want because this is such a
powerful thing.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
All right, let me let me ask you. Let me
ask you this, Charlie. How do you see or how
have you seen neutrality make a difference in your life?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, the neutrality in my life has been the same
thing as when I have a discussion with Ed and
suse the neutrality of at least bringing people's awareness to
both sides of the argument, okay, subtly show showing them
that both sides to have a little bit more compassion
and empathy for both sides not to be so triggered
by it. The neutrality for me has just shown me

(32:12):
both sides of the argument where we, like you said,
we're in a binary world, are mind? The tool we've
been given has been forced to choose the side. It's
either up and down. Like you said, it's either heads
or tails. The question I've always asked is where did
the coin come from? So when you talk about the
political parties and where does neutrality go in there? When
it's Republican or Democrat, it's just going to switch every

(32:32):
four years. My question is where do both political parties
come from? When you talk about Catholics and Muslims and
Buddhists and atheists and the different gods, and we all
fight each other over and we kill each other over.
My question is not which religion is right or where
neutrality sticks in that. My question is where do all
the religions come from. There's a source that creates everything, consciousness.
Every piece of knowledge we've ever known comes from consciousness.

(32:55):
Every religion comes from consciousness, every thought, everything physical non
physical comes from conciousness. So neutrality in this sense is
probably not the best word. And I'm really glad you
asked these questions because it's really making me reframe this.
I love it. The neutrality in this sense is not
the word to use because in a binary world, right
neutrality just doesn't really translate into is it right or wrong? Well,

(33:19):
it's neutral, No, our mind, our tool, what we've been
given on this planet, the only tool we've ever used,
the only tool we've ever known, the only tool we've
ever used, needs an answer. You keep telling me it's neutral, Charlie,
it's not going to work. You're right. So my question,
like I said, heads and taels, Republican endemic graphic rawtheists,
my question is not what's right or wrong My question is,

(33:42):
why is no one's taking one step further, going a
little bit deeper and saying where did they both come from?

Speaker 5 (33:48):
But history would tell us where they came from. History
tells us about the history of the United States, and
how they wanted to get away from the evil king
in Great Britain who was taxing them today, and they
wanted to have their own life, their own way of
doing things around their own country, you know, and the
rest is history. But you were saying that consciousness, it's

(34:11):
a matter of consciousness. If consciousness no, just let me
go back a little bit. You were saying that the
different religions you've got, you know, Islam, You've got Catholics,
you've got Jews, and the rest of the story. If
consciousness was in fact the center of what we're trying

(34:32):
to establish here, why would there be more than one religion?
If consciousness being the source is not dictating but providing
the information to which all the different religions are being formed.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
You remember that thing on the internet ten years ago
when they showed a picture of that dress and some
people saw it as blue, some people saw it as yellow. Nope,
like a legit thing, like I mean, you I would
look at it. I saw blue. There's nothing on the
face of this planet that could tell me it wasn't blue.
Someone next to me, my mom or my brother would
look at it and they said it was yellow.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Charlie, anyway, what's that? No, I said, No, I can't
remember that. Oh but just but I don't doubt.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, this consciousness is just pure. So however, we're raised,
like you said, they wanted to get away from the
evil king, so we created a whole new country.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well, now a lot of people, look, I think the
US is the evil king.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Okay, well, yeah, you really can't blame them with what
the president is doing.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Again, I'm not I don't have a dog in the fight.
I'm just saying, we we left, we left Europe to
get over to the US. It's just this constant division,
this constant The Middle East thinks they're right and the
democracy is completely aconite. Right, isn't that all?

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Isn't that evolution?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
What do you mean evolution? Health?

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Well, if we look where religion was, let's say, two
thousand years ago, after we had the you know, you
had the birth of Christ, you have the Eajohn, the
Baptist baptizing Christ. You had a conscious pilot finding him innocent.
Then you had the head rabbis and the Jewish leader saying, no,

(36:17):
he's got to be you know, he's broke the law.
And pilot washes his hands and says, all right, there
he is to do what you do. Jesus Christ is crucified.
On the third day, he rises from the dead, and
thus after forty days he ascends into heaven. And we
have a religion, part of a religion, not the entire thing.

(36:41):
So if consciousness was at the center, why are there
different religions?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Why is there male and female? Why do you like
chocolate ice cream and I like vanilla?

Speaker 5 (36:55):
It's a matter of taste, matter of choice, exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, But so there is a source. There is a
source that created that choice. Though chocolate and vanilla are
not right or wrong and vanilla, But but why does
that happen? It's choice, free will, whatever it is that
you're right. When someone saw the same story of Jesus
and thought it was Mohammed or vice versa, and we
created Islam, we created Catholicism, then people said, you know what,

(37:20):
I don't think that's right. It's prove it to me.
They became atheists. Yeah, we have, we have those choices.
But where does all of that come from? Where does
every piece of knowledge come from? Where do all thoughts
come from? Where did you come from?

Speaker 5 (37:30):
Experienced?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
When had it come from?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
We we all evolve in my opinion, from the experiences
that we have had during our lifetime.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I completely agree. Yeah, we're not saying, we're not saying
different things. My question is where did it come from?
Where did where did the construct of God come from?
Where did the construct of the Big Bang come from?

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Construct of God, in my opinion, was formed because we
needed rules. We needed some some semblance of organization within
our very early civilizations. We needed laws so that we
don't kill, you know, thou shalt not kill and the
other tape amendments. Hey, listen. In my opinion, the Bible

(38:15):
and other religious books are the greatest books that are
ever written, because they tried in earnest to formulate civilizations
so that we weren't a barbaric race or barb So
that's where I believe it came from. Now, there are
parts of history that we'll never know, you know, absolutely,
So I'm still trying to understand Charlie and and I

(38:37):
don't mean to to be, you know, hitting this with
a with a with a dead two by four, But
I don't understand the neutrality that's required.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Then they or the consciousness part of the neutrality, and
this part of the discussion is not relevant when it
comes to asking where all of this came from. That
it's all coming from the same source, but we're killing
each other over it. That to me is the ignorance
of this planet and why there's so much division and conflict.
The neutrality that we were talking about earlier is more
about me being in the position of neutrality so that

(39:12):
I don't have a Republican or Democratic bias and I
can talk to both sides and say, hey, let's bridge
the gap. Okay, you know I'm not asking Republicans and
Democrats to be neutral, or Catholics and atheists to be neutral.
You and I both know that's not going to happen.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
But when there's when there's something that the question is
not about the neutrality. The question is how does the
world look with us constantly being divided and conflicted? If
we do the same thing over and over and over
again and then we expect different results, It's the definition
of insanity. There's got to be a third party here.
We're going to keep flipping the tail. We're going to
keep flipping the coin heads or tails, and it's going

(39:47):
to go fifty to fifty and we're just going to
go on with our life and it's going to keep division.
The question. I'm just asking a deeper question, and let's
remove neutrality. Where did the coin come from? And it
doesn't need to be answered. We were not going to
know consciousness, We're not going to know God, just like
you said, we're not going to know where the coin
came from. But just asking that deeper question is at
least going to peep. It's at least going to be

(40:08):
planted a seat in the mind to shift how they
view the world, maybe shift how they ask questions. So
neutrality pull it out for at least for this part
of the discussion.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Okay, we're pulling it out on what are we replacing
it with.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Evolution? As you say, But there are.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Those people who believe that God created the earth, and
then you've got those who follow the evolution, you know,
from the from the apes to the uh what was
his name? Jeez? Pulled a blank there?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh yeah, him.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, you know, like so, so you've got everybody's got
their own belief everybody has their own way of thinking. Okay,
But I believe that when it comes to the major
thing like love, when it comes to belief in the
deity that you have been either taught to believe by

(41:14):
your parents or if you've had an experience and that
you've developed your own, your own belief in that deity,
that together, you know, if we all work together and
start talking, I think that we'll get to be a
better place. But I don't see the world getting to
be a better place, Charlie, because let's just take a

(41:35):
look at mother nature. You know, you've got the two
little beta fish. You can't put them in the same
bowl because one will kill the other, and they don't
believe in consciousness. Charlie, stand by. We will be back
on the other side of this break as we wrap
up this hour here in the ex don't go away.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Cool now, John man, John, It is not good to
go back in time. I come what happened with gre

(42:41):
Welcome to.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
SA Welcome back everyone. Charlie Johnson is our special guest.
We're talking about awakening, consciousness, enlightenment, truth and much more.
His website is clear your Lake dot com and Charlie
is the awe author of Truth has No Sides. First
of all, Charlie, I want to thank you so much
for coming on the show. This is a very interesting

(43:06):
conversation that we're having. And before we went to the break,
I was talking about the you know, the beta fish.
You put two male beta fish in a bowl, one
will kill the other and hissed, and nature is filled
with these examples. We are mammals, right, we are part

(43:30):
of the animal kingdom. So if we look at nature
and we say, okay, we understand that the beta fish
will kill each other. We understand that this will happen,
that will happen with other animals. Mammals, reptiles, and fish.
They don't have They don't have consciousness, they don't have neutrality.

(43:52):
So how is it expected that we members of the
animal kingdom, mammals would be able to have the neutrality
and the consciousness that we have that could actually bring
two sides together or at least show each other side

(44:13):
the pros and cons.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I mean, we just got much larger brains. I mean
we're you know, we are mammals, but we're a lot
more intelligent than beta fish and animals in the kingdom.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
So I don't know about that because when you look
at the when you look at the big picture, Charlie,
you don't see you don't see animals in the animal kingdom,
you know, declaring war or causing tariffs or coming up
with nuclear weapons. You know, animals, they just rough it
out and away you go. See, I would love for
kids to run the world.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
You're a dad, right, Well, yeah, I mean I think
that goes to the NASA study.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Okay, Now, when you look at kids, they go to
the park. One kid's got to firetruck, the other kid doesn't.
The kid who doesn't have the fire truck goes plays
with the other with the fire truck. The kid who
owns a fire truck gets ticked off. They have a
little tiff, and the next thing you know, they're buddies.

(45:14):
That's why, that's why I think kids should run the
world with that attitude. However, I think we screw up
kids worse than any other cause that you can think of.
You know, because a child is born, it's a blank
hard drive, right for the first years, when you're one, two, three, four,

(45:34):
it's neutral, No it's not because it learns. And if
you learn.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
It is neutral, then it learned from us to be
right or wrong, or hate or not right, republican.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Or now, hold on, hold on, here, hold on, here,
hold on, here, hold on, here, hold on?

Speaker 6 (45:50):
Whoa fella.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
When you when you look at that? And then we
send them to school right now, as parents, we teach
them about Santa Claw, We teach them about the Easter Bunny.
We teach them about Saint Patrick's Day, and you know,
we teach them to the best of our ability, right
and wrong. And then we send them to school. They
learn about a cow that jumps over the moon, and

(46:15):
a lady that lives in a shoe, and let me
see Jack and Joe who went up the Hill and
blah blah blah, and all these wonderful little little fairy
tales and rhymes that have a little message in it. Okay,
so we've got them now believing in this world of fantasy,
this world of make believe. And then what do we do.

(46:37):
They get into grade three or four and we say, hey,
you know what, there is no such thing as a
lady who lives in a shoe. There is no such
thing as as a cow jumping over the moon. We
take them from a world that they have built in
the first formative years of their lives and we bring
them to a crashing stop in a world that is

(47:00):
so called reality. I think this the parents at this
point and the educational world do more harm than good.
So how can we use how can we use the
neutrality that you and I were talking about to level
the playing field that the truth as we believe it

(47:27):
lives on and we in that fall from the world
of fantasy and the world of a child isn't crashed
into a world of truth and adulthood. How can we.

Speaker 9 (47:42):
Help Well, so the kid is born neutral? Okay, right, yeah,
so we I love.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
This conversation because you are truly reframing how I can
discuss this. This is the best conversation I've had in
a week. So the kids start arts out neutral. NASA
did a study where they followed two thousand kids at
the ages of four, ninety eight percent were considered genius.
By the time the kids were adults it was two percent.
So what you just said is one hundred percent correct.
We take this vast resource of this infinite knowledge and

(48:14):
consciousness and we learn ourselves into ignorance when you say
it's his side or her side, and the truth right,
the three sides right, his side, her side, and the
truth heads or tails? Or where did the coin come from?

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Well, you know where did the coin come from?

Speaker 3 (48:33):
That?

Speaker 5 (48:34):
You know, there are so many different answers for that
to prove of the point. The coin was no part
of the solution. It was a tool that was used
in the example.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, it so we I'm agreeing with you. We'll just
stick with that. Yes, the education system, Yes, parents, our
family is the one that usually screws us up. The
education system is absolutely overdue for an overhaul. But to
the point of the kid, they were conditioned, their parents

(49:04):
taught them something. They grew up in Utah and they
were usually Mormon, or if they were born in Texas,
they were Baptists. If they were born in the Middle East,
they were Muslim. You take someone out of Utah on
day one they were born, you put them in Texas,
they'd be Baptists, not Mormon. You take someone out of
the Middle East born there to devout Muslim parents, but
they were adopted by a Utah family, they'd be more right.
I get what you're saying. So the neutrality starts there.

(49:26):
So how is it that we can how can we
slowly move people back to, like you said, to being
like a kid. The kid's more neutral because they're not conditioned.
How can we get adults to be more neutral? Because
you want them to run the world. You want them
to run the world because they're more open, because they're
more neutral, because they're more loving. That's what neutrality would

(49:47):
do in this situation.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Charlie, in your opinion, because I know that you talk
about this a lot, and I really appreciate what you do, Charlie,
I really do and the message you're trying to get across.
In your opinion, would this be a better world without
all the religious philosophies and we just got back to basis.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, No, because it'd be worse. Really, because I agree
with the third section of what you talked about fifteen
months ago. The books were good. The structure was good
for the vast majority of this planet and the level
of consciousness. They needed the structure, they needed to fear something.
They needed a book, they needed a group, they needed
a community. That is a great thing. If we didn't
have that structure, that community, and those those communities, those

(50:30):
structures for the mass majority of people who believe in them.
My God, I think the world will be worse.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Charlie, I've got about four and a half minutes left
before we say solong. Tell us about your book. Truth
has No Sides, and I understand where the title comes.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
From, So.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Let's go back into the neutrality. Okay, No, No, Truth
has no sides. It's on Amazon. It just basically discusses
my time with my teacher, how he kind of stripped
out the conditioning. How I have a hard time choosing
sides of any argument, just because I'm always asking where
the coin came from. But that's that they can go

(51:10):
on Amazon and get it. The one thing I would
love to say is I very much appreciate your questions today.
I love how you stumped me. I love how you
framed them. I loved how your brain works because it's
it's making me expand my understanding of this topic. So
I truly, man, I very much appreciate this.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
I really appreciate your kind words. Just like to touch
back on the levitation bit because I've always been very
interested in levitation. You know, people like Chris Angel have
shown on TV that they levitate and I'm sure that
is my you know, that has nothing to do with the.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Reality of leta.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
But that's the levitation that you've experienced and witnessed. How's
it done.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It's it's it's energy, It's it's quantum entanglement. It's the
ability to be it a different frequency. It's the ability
to control your surrounded. It's to control your physicality. No
different than someone who can heal themselves in a sense,
I've seen a leg that's been shattered and night in
a hospital and they doctor comes in the next day
and thinks help. It's called the you know, the cities

(52:17):
from the yoga powers, potangialies. All that stuff's real. Everything
starts out as the thought. I mean you you have
a show for thirty five years that you've heard some
incredible stories on this thing. It's all consciousness. Everything that
these people talk about is one hundred percent real. All
the sci fi movies one hundred percent real. And as
time goes on and as aggressively as consciousness to shift
in on this planet, the world will see that.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
If we look at the world that we live in today,
and you know, it is totally screwed up, and I
and I'm being played because I don't want to use
vowel language on my own show. Yeah, yep, as we progress,
in your opinion, is a good get better or is
it going to get worse?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
And before creation comes destruction. So it's going to get
worse before it gets better, but it will get better.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
So do you believe that we are in what is
known as the end times?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
The end times of the of this timeline? Yeah, the
twenty six thousand year period or however you want to
consider it the Cali yug any that. Yes, absolutely, the
end end of the dark times.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
So there's hope for us.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yes, it's not. It's not hope or no hope, heads
or tails where the coin come from. It's it's just
going to naturally evolve and we always evolve towards that.
It'll be It'll be better, Charlie.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
In the next sixty seconds, what is your final message
for the exzonation? What would you like to stress with them?
And what is so important to that?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Look into consciousness, just google it, find out different opinions,
understand what it is. Even at a very simple level.
It is going to become the center of attention, in
the center of focus. It's going to be a word
you're going to hear a lot of over the coming years,
and even more of as we rest during time. Consciousness
is everything. It's always been in business, it's always been
in your life. You've been swimming in it. It's like

(54:06):
the fish and water. Who don't know what water is.
We are swimming in consciousness. We always have been look
into it. You're gonna want to know what it is?

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Any more new books coming out to that, Charlie.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Nope, just truth has no sides.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Hey, Charlie, let our listeners know how they can find
out more about you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
They can go to Clearyolike dot com. But what I'd
really like them to do is to come over to LinkedIn.
LinkedIn has an understanding of a daily post of what
I'm doing, the Chief Consciousness Officer position, the consciousness stuff,
and it's more of a like a current situation of
what's going on that's updated more.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Charlie, thank you ever so much for joining us tonight,
and I look forward to the next time when you
and I meet here in the X Zone. Until then,
thank you, take capreciate it all right, exponation. Our guest
this hour was Charlie Johnson, and as he was saying,
his website is clear your Lake dot com and he's
the author of Truth Has No Sides. I'll be back
on the other side of this brief message as our

(55:03):
number two for tonight starts right here in the X
Zone with Here's Truly Rob McConnell. Hmmm, are you a
skeptic or are you a believer? Send me an email.
What are you skeptical about it? And what do you
believe in more than anything else? Personally, I believe in
angels and I believe in love. Don't go away.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
It is no good to go back in time. Welcouture

(55:52):
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