October 6, 2025 • 54 mins
In David's Own Words: "I have a BS in mathematics from St. Lawrence University, a BS in electrical engineering from Penn State University, and a master’s in electrical engineering from Villanova University. I spent seventeen years as a design engineer and technical manager at Boeing, where I was responsible for designing automatic flight control and avionics systems.After Boeing, I spent nine years in the U.S. Government’s Senior Executive Service (SES) with the US Army directing avionics and command and control R&D. During this period I also co-directed joint Army/NASA laboratories at NASA Langley and NASA Ames and was the US Army’s representative and U.S Government lead on the Avionics Committee for NATO’s Advisory Group for Aerospace Research and Development. I then created and was the CEO of Cobham Defense Electronics Systems (CDES) Corp, a subsidiary of Cobham, plc, for 15 years. When I retired CDES had become the world’s leading military microwave subsystem company. After writing The Endless Journey, I created and was the host of The Common Sense Spirituality Show, which ran live for 2 years on W4CY radio and also had a weekly podcast called Aspects of Spirituality."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the X Zone, a
place where fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Today
on the X Zone, the world of psychic fares. Throughout Canada,
psychic fair spring up in towns and villages of all sizes. Now,
what is the best way of choosing a psychic at
(00:21):
a psychic fair? According to stand and reorganizers the first
star famous psychic fairs, Visitors to a psychic fair should
walk around the fair a number of times until they're
drawn to a particular psychic and you can visit their
website at www dot e dash psychic dot com. Never
be pressured into getting a reading from a psychic that
you just don't feel comfortable with. If you're not satisfied
with your reading, tell the psychic and remember, people, psychic
(00:44):
readings at a psychic fair are for entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hello, Yes, is this the Reverend Jordine god Gifted Problem
Sovereign Medicine Man.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
My name is Gilbert Narley, and yeah they are anywhy
And I'm very glad I reached you because I have
an emergency.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
How can I help you?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well? Last night, see, I was watching TV. I don't
know if you saw it, it was that special tribute
to the Partridge family. Is Daddy Body Nucci. He's one
of my favorites. Anyway, my lottery number came up on
the screen. What my lottery number? And you know, at
(01:46):
first I didn't believe it, but then I realized that
those were the numbers that I play every week.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, brother, how can I help you?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, I can't find a ticket. And I was called
with you because I think you're you're a psychic and
you do voodoo curses and psychic.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm a psychic, Yeah I was.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I was wearing my blue coat. I know that when
I bought the ticket, and you know the one I'm
talking about, the blue coat with the brass buttons with
anchors on them. Oh, yes, I do, Yes, Yeah, that's
what I wear. Yeah, I knew you would know that. Okay, now,
I think I put that ticket in the jacket breast pocket,
(02:32):
but I cannot find the jacket. See, and I always
hag the jacket on the rack in the front hall.
How that I get fun?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Wasn't I think I can help you?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
First, okay, first, you're gonna need to do something for me.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, so I'll be bought anything.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You're gonna need to send me your name and your dress,
and you're gonna need to send me your money or
I don't cash. No, I don't want cash.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No cash, you do you.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Send me a money order.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I can get that at the drug store.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, send me a money order for twe No. No, wait,
how much did you say you were gonna win in this?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh? I couldn't win. I part something over one hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going I said.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The only problem is is we would not be able
to do this because see, I've got to have that
lottery ticket by noon tomorrow, and I don't have time
to uh to send you anything. You're just gonna have
to trust me.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I can't help you until I get the money.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, yeah, I realized, because you know this is a business,
and I mean, you do this your your god given talent.
You must. I'll tell you. I don't understand why I
can't find it either, you do. It could have been
my maid. I have this wonderful lady who's who is
a house lady that helps me out. She's Portuguese or
Siames there's something like that. She doesn't speak any egle it.
(04:00):
She said. She moves my things around all the time.
I was thinking maybe she may have misplaced my jacket.
You know, she's such a strange lady, even with she ironed.
You know, she doesn't iron clothes. What she does is
she'll take your pants or your coat or something and
to iron that. She puts it between the box spriks
and the mattress of the bed. She's a wonderful lady.
(04:23):
But I thought she may have put it in the closet,
or I thought she might have put it somewhere in
the house, or maybe packed it with my winter clothes.
But I looked through all that and it's just nowhere
to be found.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Okay, now you tell me you have to have this
ticket by tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I've got to have it by dude, tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay. Now, I run a business here.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I understand that I don't have any other way of
supporting myself. I understand that, and.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Therefore I need I need to have income.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do you understand I understand that to pay for the
phone lines and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Exactly exactly, So I've got to have I've got to have.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Some kind of you know I would be glad to
split this with you if I could, If you'd help
me find the ticket. I know there's no other way
but to do it. This would I think that would
be marvelous.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Would be Okay, you know you have my word. Do
you not listen? I would split this with you if
we find this ticket.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Possibly I can help you.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Okay, okay? Where should I look?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You say, you say you made but these things your
clothes right in between the mattress and the springs.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
That right?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well did you look there?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh no, I didn't look. I've looked everywhere. Let me go.
Can you hold all, dear, I'm about to cut right by.
It's just in the next room.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Okay, yeah, oh joy, oh wonderful.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
This is good.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
I can't believe it. I found it, Reverend jordied.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, it wasn't there. Oh no, yeah, it wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Wait a minute, I heard you. I heard you, But
I say that you found it? Well?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, that oh no, I was you know what what
I receive when I was in there? Uh, I just remembered.
I was what I was going to have for lunch,
pametto cheese sandwiches. I love babetto cheese, and I always
getting very happy. But I remember I'm going to have
a meetto cheese sandwich much But no, I guess I
didn't found it. But fight, it's a lot for the
(06:48):
help you're with me. Well, I wish I had found
I really wish I had. Well, I gotta go have
my palmetto cheese for lunch. Now. It's been real nice
talking to you, okay, And I really didn't find I
wish I had you. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the ex Zone, a
place where fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Today
on the ex Zone, the Roswell Crash of nineteen forty seven.
In July of nineteen forty seven, something crashed near the
small town of Roswell, New Mexico. That something is believed
to have been a flying saucer by millions of UFO
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enthusiasts around the world, headed by nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman. Now,
Friedman has never seen any physical evidence of the alien
craft or the remains of its alien occupants, but bases
his belief on the stories that he has heard from
locals and townspeople alike. According to the United States Air Force,
and other government agencies. The Roswell incident was not a
crashed alien ship. Friedman and his followers insist to this
(07:43):
very day that the governments of the world are covering
up the fact that the aliens are here, and that
the denial of the UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico
is proof of this global government cover up. Join me
Rob McConnell for another story from the world of the
paranormal and the science of parapsychology. When next we meet
in the Exzone, the place where people dare to believe
and dare to be heard.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
All hnry, Welcome to the XI Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
Rob Konno.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
You do in that thing YouTube breaking my hearty into
a million pieces.
Speaker 10 (08:45):
Like you always do, and you.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
Don't need to be cool in the even abound the hearty.
Speaker 10 (09:03):
Shots whose it gets you to thes you again.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Time and welcome back to the x on every one.
I am Rob mcconllin. For the next two hours, I'm
your host and your guidance. Together we cross the time
space continuum to this place that I call the X Zone.
It's a place where people dared to believe and dare
to be heard. It's a place where fact is fiction
(09:32):
and fiction is reality. And the Xzone comes to you
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X Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA is the
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magic address X Nation. My first guest tonight is David Gagan,
and we're going to be speaking to David about our
Eternal Existence. And joining me now from the state of
Florida is David Gegan. And David Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 11 (10:08):
Thank you, Rob. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
David, tell us a little bit about yourself and what
was it that inspired you to write Our Our Eternal Existence?
Speaker 11 (10:18):
Well, Rob, I'm you know, I'm an engineer who has
spent his life trying to figure out who I am,
where I am, and why am I here?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And house I working for you? So far?
Speaker 11 (10:36):
Go ahead, sir, oh so I uh you know, I
uh I had a uh you know, I had I
had a father who got me interested in reading strange
books when I was in high school, and I found
them rather fascinating, quite frankly, and things like aku aku
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and various various other other topics, and I could never
figure out what was going on. But it seemed like
there was something going on in this world, and I
didn't understand what it was. So I was always interested
in it. And when I went to life, I became
an electrical engineer and had a h had had a
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life as an engineer and a manager and a senior
executive in the government and such, and I I eventually
decided to retire, and I spent a lot of time studying,
and so I decided to write a book. And the
first book I wrote was The Endless Journey. And then
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and that was after I retired.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And then a few years ago I.
Speaker 11 (11:48):
Had a a radio station called the Common Sense Spirituality
Show radio show anyway, and I ended up having a
lot of fascinating and I thought I'd put another book
together to try to explain some of the answers that
I didn't fully explain in the first book. So that's
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why I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
What kind of questions do you ask in your books
that you just couldn't answer, Well, things.
Speaker 11 (12:17):
Like who am I? And I was? You know, you
wonder what this life is all about? And I turned
out that you know, we're eternal beings having a life
existence and uh, you know we're not what we appear
to be. We're not our body. We're you know, we're
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a consciousness having a life, and and and and where
are we? You know what? You know? It seems like
we're in this strange, strange world, this reality which if
you believe Einstein and Plato.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I got cheese, the boat, Lion and the trouble for
the bar. You're suppliant. It's electrified. You ben shape. But sammy.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Explanation. David Gagan is my special guest. This our www
dot David Gagan dot com. David. Before we went to
the last break, we were talking about I guess reincarnation
where children have come back and they've been able to
tell their parents once they become of the age where
they can talk, that they describe other lives, they describe
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other locations that can actually be verified. But my question
to you, sir, is why doesn't this happen to everyone?
Speaker 11 (14:53):
Well, we work with the same people life after life.
I mean, there's a lot of people we work with,
but your last life, you might have your mother might
be your child.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
In this life.
Speaker 11 (15:08):
How confusing would that be? You really need a clean
slate if you want to have the experiences down here,
that or here I don't know if it's down but
if you want to have the experience in this life
that you came down to have, you can't remember the
past lives and still understand the experiences and have the
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experiences that you're looking for. So most of us are
going to forget these things. As matter of fact, these children,
these children will have forgotten their past lives by the
time they're teenagers. But virtually one hundred percent of them.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Okay, so why do we need to keep coming back
and coming back and coming back to me? That seems rhetorical.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
There's a lot of things things to learn. We uh,
we you know, we're we're evolving and we and it
takes us a long time to evolve. Basically eternity, we've
probably our souls have been alive for or been in existence.
I should put it for millions of years, maybe maybe
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billions for all I know, a long time. So we
start out as virtually nothing, and we're trying to learn.
And what we're trying to learn about is ourselfs because
that's the only thing that exists, the tow and and
which is we call it God, call it universal consciousness,
you can call it anything you want. But we are
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part of that. We are part of a web of
consciousness that is learning about itself. We're part of that web.
So we come back to have different types of experiences.
These lives that we live are very very limited and
their intent and so you just can't learn that much
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in any given life. You need many lives to learn this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But once again I understand that this has been researched
and studied, but there is no proof positive that any
of this is real.
Speaker 11 (17:20):
Well what what what do you need for proof positive? What?
What you know? It's you have to look. It's it's
like any engineering problem. Do we ever? Are we ever
absolutely one positive that some some scientific theory is true. No,
we're not. We're not positive of anything. So what we're
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trying to do is we say, well, what's the most logical,
what what makes the most sense, what fits most of
the data in the criteria that that we come up
with and and this fits far more than the you know,
I mean, people believe the Big Bang theory. You say, well, yeah,
I believe that by telling me that. But there's no
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reason to believe that the Big Bang theory is right,
absolutely zero.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But what is the reason to believe it otheres? But
what is the reason then to believe that we come
back time after time after time after time after time
after time.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
It's just it's just what I've been trying to say.
There is there are many many things like doctor Weiss,
many lies, many masters. He was he didn't believe in
any of this, and he had a he wrote a
book a number of years ago, I think it was
around eighty nine, and he and he just told his
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experience from what what he found. And what he found
was that he was trying to solve some of his patients,
which was Catherine at the time, trying to solve some
of her issues. So he decided to go back and
hypnotize her and see if he could see if he
could he could identify some uh uh, some some dramatic
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things that took place in her earlier life. And what
happened she went back to he took her back, but
she went back to life after life after life. There
are so many, so many psychologists that have done this,
many that haven't written books about it. They say, yeah,
that's what we find. You know, it's a whole body
of knowledge there that if you if you don't look
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into it, you'll you'll never you'll never find it. You'll
you have to you have to convince yourself. You can't
let anybody else convince you. You have to do it yourself.
But there's many places to look that that you'll start
going in and you say, well, you know, something's going
on here. This this, this is not what I've been
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being taught in school. But this is happening, and you're
finding more and more scientists that are beginning to look
and realize, hey, wait a minute, there's a lot more
going on here than what meets the eye.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
All right. So it sounds as if this is a
perspective that if you, as an individual, want to look
at the data and make it fit into a theory,
that tends you to think that it's more plausible than
any other theory of life in existence. That's what you do, right,
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It's what you.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
Do for exactly, but it's what you do for everything.
You know whether no matter what you're doing, whatever your
view is, whether it's religious, whether it's scientific, whether it's metaphysical,
you look at a certain amount of data and you
make the decision on what you believe to be the
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most likely perspective. And if you look at enough of it,
you know, then then you start realizing that there's other
perspectives out there, and then you try to put them
together to see, hey, what makes sense. It's no different
than solving I used to design flight control systems for
Boeing for the helicopters, and you know, if it wasn't working,
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what would I do. I'd go and I'd say, Okay,
what's the most likely cause for this to happen? So
you'd look at a number of different different elements and
you'd say, okay, this is what I believe will happen.
Sometimes it's right, sometimes is wrong. But the more you look,
the more you would find out what the answer was,
and eventually you tricked the problem. But that's how that's
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how we solve everything. We look at it and and
the problem is a lot of people don't take the
time and energy to look at it. Then I can
understand that, I mean, we have busy lives. Everybody's trying
to get on with life, so a lot of people
don't have the time. And another thing, a lot of
people don't realize that there's answers out there, so they
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don't look and they don't spend the time doing it.
But if you do, and if you looked at this stuff,
you know, most people would you know, would start to
realize that, wait a minute, this isn't quite the way
it's contained to it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, you know, history has lied to us, and the
educational depart the educational system lies to us. However, yes
it does. However, if this theory of yours is accurate
and it's true, why do we need to live at all?
Speaker 11 (22:32):
Because way you need experiences. The trouble was because this
is because this is an illusion. Your soul that creates
you would see right through the illusion. So if the
soul wanted to have the experiences that you and I
are having, it couldn't do it in this illusion because
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it would see through it. It has to create a
vehicle that allows uh it that vehicle to feel and
see the illusion in order to have the experiences. So,
if the soul wants experience these type of experiences. In
other words, if the soul wants to experience negative energy
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like fear, it can't do it in the realm that
it's in. It needs to set up an illusion that
allows it to have that experience.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, hold on here, I'm trying to follow lose Okay,
I come down here. I've got this business plan already
in my little possession. I go through life, okay, following
my business plan. But what happens if I decide not
to follow the business plan. Let's say I'm a renegade,
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which I am. You can choose not to, but how
doesn't doesn't that screw up everybody else? Because, according to
the way that I understand that you're telling me, what
I do has caused and effect on others. So if
I go away from the script, I'm not only screwing
myself up, but I'm also causing a major catastrophe with
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all those who were supposed to have contact with me.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Well, there's no question that you can go off your plan,
but everybody has their own plan, and they're not as affected,
nearly as affected by other people going off their plan
as you might think, because you still have a soul
here that is continually trying to guide you in the
direction that it wants you to go. That you don't
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have to follow the soul, but the soul provides those
opportunities through things like synchronicity, and that it will lead you.
It will lead you to where it would like to go.
It will like you to go, and you agreed to
it originally before you came down here. But if other people,
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if indeed, if somebody is supposed to do something for
you in a life, for example, be your parent, and
that person decided not to have any children or had
all the children they wanted, by the time you came around,
you'd have another parent. You'd have multiple parents, multiple paths
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that you could follow follow If you indeed didn't get
your number one choice, so you might pick you might
pick a dozen a dozen people to be your parents,
and each one of them would said, that's fine, I'll
do that. But when you get down here, they may
not do it because of whatever circumstances they may find themselves.
You pick their own, You pick a set of spouses,
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and if indeed those spouses are not available, or you
pick somebody else. I mean, you have free will. You
don't have to pick the one that you chose, you
can pick somebody else.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But what's the sense of having a script? I don't
have to follow it What happens if I don't tell
that one? To this thought? We've got to take our break.
My producer just interrupted me here, so please stand by xation.
Our guest this hour is David Gagan g A G
G I N and his website is David Gagan dot com.
And we'll both be back on the other side as
we try to unravel this rather confusing topic. Are you
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a skeptic or you a believer? Send me an emails
X Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA, and we'll
both be back. Don't go away because this is the
X Zone. I'm Rob mccaddall.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
You better shave.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Sleep, night roll long. Just a music gone radio, No
one's coming, no one's gone, the telephone, just being you
and the lights down low.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
And you're slow dancing sway into music, slow dancing just
me and my girl, slow dancing sway into.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you have a Gagin's here a special guest extonation.
He's the author of our Internal Existence. His website is
www dot David Gagan dot com. David, if if this
is true, and I'm having a hard time believing it.
Why then do we push forward? Why are we trying to,
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you know, go to Mars. Why are we trying to
go back to the moon. Why are we trying to
make all these new and important discoveries if we really don't.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
Have to, Well, because they're interesting, I mean, why why
wouldn't we want to want to do this?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
But it's not we don't remember what's going on. But
it's not going to affect us one way or the other.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Whether we get to Mars or not. You're absolutely right,
it's not going to affect it. But it's interesting. It's
interesting to go there. But you're absolutely right. As far
as us personally individually, a lot of the things we
do isn't going to affect us except for the experiences
that we have. The experiences will affect us, and they'll
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affect us forever. But you don't need to go to
Mars to have these experience. You don't have to go
to the moon. You don't have to solve diseases. But
they're interesting, and we try to do that as a
civilization to try to make our it more comfortable here.
But in reality, the people that lived were some of us,
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you know, five thousand years ago had as valuable as
the experiences as we're having today. You don't have to
do it, But it's the experiences that we're here.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
For, all right, the experiences that we're here for are
or is it possible that we are being manipulated by
some other force in order to live the experiences so
that we can lay the experiences that we're each having
and putting these experiences into a large data bank for
lack of better words, for some answer reason.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
The answer to that is yes, yes to a certain extent.
When you say manipulated, we are being encouraged to have
these experiences. We've agreed to have it. I mean, we
came down here, we chose to come down here. We
agreed to have the experiences. But manipulated sounds like we
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don't have control over it, and that's not true.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, well do have control over it? All right? Who
did we agree with to do this and who is
in control of what we do?
Speaker 11 (30:48):
One we are in control, but the original one is
our soul. Basically our soul, our spiritual essence, our consciousness.
That's who. That's who we agreed the consciousness said our
soul said, this is what I would like to experience,
and therefore it created us, and we agreed to have
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that experience. And of course the problem is that as
soon as we come down here, we forget what we
agreed to, But the soul doesn't forget to what we
agreed to. So the soul encourages us and guides us,
and it sets us up with synchronous opportunities that encourage
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us to go have these experiences that it wanted. But
we agreed with our self to do it because it's
our self that's trying to learn and evolved.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If all this information is going into a central data
bank somewhere in the great unknown, why don't we just
plug into the data bank and experience the experience is
that other souls have experienced through our time.
Speaker 11 (31:59):
Because our experiences are unique, everybody's experience is unique, we
see things from a different perspective. Take, for example, you
go to a football game. Simple example, you go to
a football game with your with your your close buddy.
You both root for the same team, You sit right
next next to each other, your team wins or loses.
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You have the same food, you have the same drink,
and you both had very different experiences because because of
you are a unique individual, each one of us is unique,
and there is an infinite number of literally an infinite
number of experiences that we can have, and we learn
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from every experience that we have. And yes, they do
go into a data bank and as experiences and uh,
and the ones that are that are new and and
we create, they're the ones that are. And you know,
if it's it turns about to be real knowledge, it's not.
If it's duplicate, if it's mistakes, nobody cares about our mistakes.
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They only care about the new things that we.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
But what's the endgame of this all? What's the endgame?
What is the ultimate pertunity?
Speaker 11 (33:17):
Eternity? Eternity? The endgame is to grow and be wise
wise enough to create, for example, your own universe. It's
to be wise enough to understand everything. And you'll never
be that wise nobody will be because there's always other
things to understand.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
One.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
It's a if you live for eternity, it's it's It
would be pretty boring to just say, Okay, I've learned
everything that needs to be done. I read all the books,
I remember everything in the books, and now I still
have eternity to go. You need a purpose, you need
a plan in life. If you're going to exist forever,
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you have to be doing something that is of interest
to you. And it turns out that there's an amazing
number of things to do, and there's never there's never
an end to what you learn. Even the wisest spirits
in existence, and you would look at them and you'd say, now,
that's a perfect being, and that being would say to you, no, no,
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I'm not perfect. I have much more to learn. We
just wouldn't see it because they knew so much more
than we did.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now, in theory, this is really nice, you know, in theory,
but in reality, is this another way of trying to
explain our existence? Is this another way of trying to
add some semblance of normalcy to this world we live in?
You know what's wrong with the established religious philosophies? They've
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worked for thousands of years, and yet here come the
new adres waving a new flag.
Speaker 11 (34:58):
You know, if well, how well have the if all
these religions work? I mean, think about it. But you're
talking religion, you're talking about it.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You're talking about a theory, You're talking about nothing that
has any fact basis, Well, do the religion. I don't know.
I I liked I liked the concept of my religion
better than I like the concept that you're trying to
sell me.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Okay, well that's fine, but but you know, the religions
are based on belief and and and you know, just
like science, it's based on beliefs. Now, the question is
what's the most believable, what makes the most sense. That's
what you got to look at. The religions have struggled.
I'll tell you if you look at if you look
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at it, and let's pick a couple of religions. Let's
let's pick well, we'll pick Christianity and maybe Buddhism and
maybe Hinduism. And you say, okay, if you go back
and you look at those religions from the very beginning,
much what the original Christ and Buddha was trying to
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tell us is exactly what I'm saying. That's but then
it got all bastardized as Man put his hand in
the pot and stirred the religions around. So it's hard
to see what the what some of the original truths were.
But those religions, if you go far enough back, they
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all sing the same song and it's and it's extremely
consistent with with what I'm saying with the metaphysical perspective.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Then why then, why then, Why wasn't the metaphysical way
of looking at it the original way of looking at it?
Why did we have to wait so many years for
it to come to fruition before everybody heard about it?
Speaker 11 (37:00):
And they heard about it, But it's you know, life
just goes on. Where you know, we've got a very
young society here, young being that. You know, if you're
you come in and you reincarnate, and the first time
you reincarnate, you're pretty naive, and you're pretty uh, you know,
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you're pretty young spiritually. And then as as you come
down again and again, you start to mature and you
start to understand and see the world very differently. So
when when the world is full of very young souls,
you're going to have different sets of circumstances, then you're
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going to have if the world was full of older souls,
and the souls are getting older and older in this round,
in this realm, so the world is getting to be
a little bit more controllable. Although you've never noted if
you read the front page of any of our major papers.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So how can a soul get old? I'm having a
problem with that because if we keep coming back, coming back,
coming and back, coming back, it seems that we our
soul never ends. And speaking about that, where does the
soul originate?
Speaker 11 (38:20):
The soul originates? The soul is basically energy. The only
thing that exists is energy, and energy is aware. It's
self aware energy. That's the only thing that exists. Everything
in existence is some form of self aware energy. And
that's a hard concept to understand, but that's basically what
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it is. So the soul is just self aware energy.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So if the soul is just this self aware energy,
where did the soul, based on it just being energy,
get the concept or the idea that hey, I'm going
to become a soul and I'm going to go down
and I'm going to have all these lifetimes.
Speaker 11 (39:08):
It came slow and painfully over god.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Knows how many years.
Speaker 11 (39:14):
But from where we're talking trillion, But from where where
the first one came from? Yeah, where the first one
came from is a good question. The energy there is
an infinite amount, as I understand it, of dormant, latent
energy that that is in existence in the unknown, in
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the absolute, if you will, and once uh uh something
turned that one one piece of energy into a It
took it out of its dormant state and turned it
into a vitalent.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
David, I'm going to have to hold you there because
I've got to take my final break Xon Nation. I'll
be back on the other side of this break with
David Gagan as we wrap up this how we're here
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Speaker 1 (41:35):
David Gagon is our special guest this our His website
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Our Eternal Existence. David, I've always understood that energy has
to have a start somewhere. It just didn't go poof,
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and there's the energy. Where did our energy as you're
talking about our soul energy originally from what's the start
of it? And in order to understand where the end is,
I've always believed that you have to know where the
start is.
Speaker 11 (42:14):
Well they if you want, if you look at science,
they don't give you a start. If you look at religion,
they don't give you a start. So just because it's
hard to figure out where all this started, you know,
it doesn't mean it didn't start. It started somewhere. And
I'm telling you that there was energy in existence, and
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you're assuming that the energy in this universe is a
closed system, and there's no reason to believe that it's
a closed system. That's what science tells us. It's a
closed system, but it's not a closed system. And where
it started is as I said, something and I don't
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know what that something was earned the first piece of energy,
and we're talking huge amount of time ago. It turned
a piece of energy into vitality, into a live energy.
And all energy is live once it stops being dormant.
Live meaning it understands itself, it knows it exists, and
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it's aware of its surroundings. Now the surroundings may be
very different and definitely are and what we would see
as our surrounding. But when it first comes into existence,
it becomes it becomes this conscious entity, tiny tiny, little
conscious energy, but it continually works on other energy and
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other energy and other energy, and it continually changes all
that dormant or a lot of the dormant energy about
all a lot of the adormant energy into vitality, which
in time grows or has grown into spiritual beings as
these spirits became wiser and UH and understood more about
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itself and.
Speaker 10 (44:12):
Who it is.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
If we are energy, why do we have to be born?
Why do we have to put somebody through the grief
of childbirth? Why can't we just pop up and say, okay,
I'm here, let's try this one.
Speaker 11 (44:26):
It's it's the it's the experiences that we're trying to have,
and everything that we go through is in it's a
learning experience. And you could in other other places. But
if you want to experience and have the experiences of
this physical UH aspect, this physical field or universe, if
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you will, you need to. You need to somehow be
able to get here. And this is what the powers
it be chose the best way to do it.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
David in the spirit your world.
Speaker 11 (45:01):
You could you could just you know, pop into to
be energy anywhere you wanted, David, had you yourself or
anywhere you want?
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Have you yourself had in your death experience or not
a body experience?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Then how can you talk about something you've never had?
Speaker 11 (45:19):
Well, you know, everybody talks about them. It's things they
didn't have. You don't have to have any a personal
experience to understand it. I mean, I've communicated with the
spiritual beings. My wife is deceased, I've communicated with her.
It's incredibly easy to communicate with people on the other
side if you're close to them. If it would if
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I was talking to George Washington, I would know George
Washington or not. But I could certainly talk to somebody
that I was married to for fifty years and know
that that's the individual I'm talking to, because they will
tell you things that that make it obvious that that's them.
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I mean, anybody can do this. You can do this.
Anybody can communicate with the other side because they don't
go anywhere. They stay here and they just change state.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So are you saying that you're a medium as well?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
No, but you can go.
Speaker 11 (46:18):
You go through a medium and you and and you
can easily. You know, there's many good mediums out there.
You go to a medium and you say, hey, you
don't tell them anything about you except your name and
the person you want to contact, and maybe your relationship
with a person. And then they tell you the things
that that the spirit tells them and the spirit wants.
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Spirit's a loved one that you you know, that's the
people you're going to communicate with. If you lost a child,
right you lost a parent, you lost your spouse, and
they're going to want to convince you that they're still alive,
there's still a life going on. So they'll tell you
these things, and it's easy to be convinced that that's
who it is because nobody else would know the things
(47:03):
that they're going to you that you'll hear from the medium.
You don't need to be a medium, just need to
have one. And if and if you go to a
medium and they don't do it, go to another medium
because they're all. They aren't all. It's what they cracked
up to be. But it's easy to do, but you
have to decide to do it. You have to say, yeah,
this is a possibility. But if you never said but
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if you said, well, it can't happen, then then you
never have the experience.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
But isn't it possible that the desire or the belief
to do something can actually manifest itself but not in
a realistic way that you're being fooled by your own
person because you want to believe it so much that
you really can hear, you really can see, you really
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can feel something that's really not there.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
It's it's not the way it is.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I mean, it could, but is it possible?
Speaker 11 (48:02):
So easy, it's it's possible possible to convince yourself. But
there's so many ways that you know, you you know,
if if if you've had a you had something important
in your life, like a boat, and they named the
you know, and your spouse names the names the boat
that you had, and through the medium, right, I mean,
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it's kind of hard to think that that's in your head,
that you know, it's it's on tape. The medium has
put it on tape for you. So it's kind of
hard to believe that you just made that up?
Speaker 1 (48:36):
All right, sir? Is it possible? Do you believe in esp.
Speaker 11 (48:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Is it possible that what a person does in front
of a medium is project the thoughts that there's a
there is a communication via esp and this is how
the through telepathy, right, is it possible? Well, that is
what the the psychic is picking up. And this is
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where the answers are coming from from you, not the
great beyond.
Speaker 11 (49:08):
It's it's it's hard to imagine because you're not thinking
of these things.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
You're not consciously you're not thinking of this.
Speaker 11 (49:16):
You're not consciously thinking of this boat's name. In the
example that I'm using here, right, you're just waiting for
the medium to tell you something. The medium can tell you.
You know, you're with somebody for fifty years. The medium
can tell you, you know, pick and choose that the
person on the other side can pick and choose anything
they want. You're not you might not even have thought
(49:37):
of this boat for you know, boat's name for twenty years.
But you know, so the chances of that happening time
and time again are so remote. And I do believe
in telepathy, I truly do. And and a lot of
the times, I mean you're not sitting across I mean
you do this by by telephone. You don't have to
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be sitting across, but telepathy could work either way. But
it's just it's it's just it's a real stretch to
believe that that's what's causing it. Is it possible in
some circumstances, absolutely, but time and time again, it's just
a real stretch. You have to look at what's what
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makes the most sense and what's most likely.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I understand that, sir, But it's also a great stretch
for the majority of people to believe that. You know,
we die, we come back, we die would come back,
we die would come back. We have this agree with you,
you know, so it's a.
Speaker 11 (50:36):
I agree with you. It's a tough stretch, and I
don't have a problem with it being a tough stretch.
It was a tough stretch for me. It took me
ten years from the time that I first saw something
that said that that sounded like reincarnation was real, but
I didn't understand it. For me to believe it took
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me ten years of reading and stuff. Because I agree
we're taught, we're taught from through religion and science that
it doesn't make sense and it's not true. Although if
you go back to the original religions, all of them
they believed it, and that was a tenet in the
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early religions, all of the early religions. But then, but
then along along, and you can see where it went away.
You can see that it was a I believe it
was the Fifth Ecumenical Council in four I don't know,
fifty or sixty a d that took it out of Christianity.
And it wasn't even it wasn't even one of the
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clerics that took it out. It was the emperor. So
you know, you just thought it'd be easier to control
the people if they thought they only had one shot
at it. So you can see where it all changed.
But you've got to research it. You got to you know,
you got to look at it. It's not an easy sell.
I can't agree with you more. It took me years
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to try to convince myself that this is the only way.
It's the only way it can work.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Let me let me ask you this question, sir. Let
me ask you this question, and I hope you don't
take it the wrong way. Since the passing of your wife,
the communications that you have with your wife have had
these cemented your beliefs.
Speaker 11 (52:25):
They just added to them.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
That's all.
Speaker 11 (52:27):
I believed it all I wrote. I wrote my first
book before she died. Okay, now it didn't it didn't.
It didn't know. It added to my beliefs, but it didn't.
It didn't change him.
Speaker 10 (52:43):
You know.
Speaker 11 (52:44):
I believe this long before she died.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
David. The time is coming to I. David, the time
is coming when I must say so long with you, sir.
Thank you so much for joining us. An next donation.
If you'd like to find out more about our guests
this hour, David Gavin Gaggin, I'm sorry, visit his website
David Gagan dot com. That's d A v I d
G A G g I n dot com and his
book is entitled Our Eternal Existence. Thank you for joining us, sir, Good,
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Thank you, excell nation. I'll be back on the other
side of this break as we continue with our two
of tonight's show here in the X Zone, with yours
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be back.
I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the X Zone, a
place where fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Today
on the X Zone, the world of psychic fares. Throughout Canada,
psychic fair spring up in towns and villages of all sizes. Now,
what is the best way of choosing a psychic at
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a psychic fair? According to stand and reorganizers the first
star famous psychic fairs, Visitors to a psychic fair should
walk around the fair a number of times until they're
drawn to a particular psychic and you can visit their
website at www dot e dash psychic dot com. Never
be pressured into getting a reading from a psychic that
you just don't feel comfortable with. If you're not satisfied
with your reading, tell the psychic and remember, people, psychic
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readings at a psychic fair are for entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hello, Yes, is this the Reverend Jordine god Gifted Problem
Sovereign Medicine Man.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
My name is Gilbert Narley, and yeah they are anywhy
And I'm very glad I reached you because I have
an emergency.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
How can I help you?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well? Last night, see, I was watching TV. I don't
know if you saw it, it was that special tribute
to the Partridge family. Is Daddy Body Nucci. He's one
of my favorites. Anyway, my lottery number came up on
the screen. What my lottery number? And you know, at
(01:46):
first I didn't believe it, but then I realized that
those were the numbers that I play every week.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, brother, how can I help you?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, I can't find a ticket. And I was called
with you because I think you're you're a psychic and
you do voodoo curses and psychic.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm a psychic, Yeah I was.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I was wearing my blue coat. I know that when
I bought the ticket, and you know the one I'm
talking about, the blue coat with the brass buttons with
anchors on them. Oh, yes, I do, Yes, Yeah, that's
what I wear. Yeah, I knew you would know that. Okay, now,
I think I put that ticket in the jacket breast pocket,
(02:32):
but I cannot find the jacket. See, and I always
hag the jacket on the rack in the front hall.
How that I get fun?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Wasn't I think I can help you?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
First, okay, first, you're gonna need to do something for me.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, so I'll be bought anything.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You're gonna need to send me your name and your dress,
and you're gonna need to send me your money or
I don't cash. No, I don't want cash.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No cash, you do you.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Send me a money order.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I can get that at the drug store.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, send me a money order for twe No. No, wait,
how much did you say you were gonna win in this?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh? I couldn't win. I part something over one hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going I said.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The only problem is is we would not be able
to do this because see, I've got to have that
lottery ticket by noon tomorrow, and I don't have time
to uh to send you anything. You're just gonna have
to trust me.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I can't help you until I get the money.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, yeah, I realized, because you know this is a business,
and I mean, you do this your your god given talent.
You must. I'll tell you. I don't understand why I
can't find it either, you do. It could have been
my maid. I have this wonderful lady who's who is
a house lady that helps me out. She's Portuguese or
Siames there's something like that. She doesn't speak any egle it.
(04:00):
She said. She moves my things around all the time.
I was thinking maybe she may have misplaced my jacket.
You know, she's such a strange lady, even with she ironed.
You know, she doesn't iron clothes. What she does is
she'll take your pants or your coat or something and
to iron that. She puts it between the box spriks
and the mattress of the bed. She's a wonderful lady.
(04:23):
But I thought she may have put it in the closet,
or I thought she might have put it somewhere in
the house, or maybe packed it with my winter clothes.
But I looked through all that and it's just nowhere
to be found.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Okay, now you tell me you have to have this
ticket by tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I've got to have it by dude, tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay. Now, I run a business here.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I understand that I don't have any other way of
supporting myself. I understand that, and.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Therefore I need I need to have income.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do you understand I understand that to pay for the
phone lines and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Exactly exactly, So I've got to have I've got to have.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Some kind of you know I would be glad to
split this with you if I could, If you'd help
me find the ticket. I know there's no other way
but to do it. This would I think that would
be marvelous.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Would be Okay, you know you have my word. Do
you not listen? I would split this with you if
we find this ticket.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Possibly I can help you.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Okay, okay? Where should I look?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You say, you say you made but these things your
clothes right in between the mattress and the springs.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
That right?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well did you look there?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh no, I didn't look. I've looked everywhere. Let me go.
Can you hold all, dear, I'm about to cut right by.
It's just in the next room.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Okay, yeah, oh joy, oh wonderful.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
This is good.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
I can't believe it. I found it, Reverend jordied.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, it wasn't there. Oh no, yeah, it wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Wait a minute, I heard you. I heard you, But
I say that you found it? Well?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, that oh no, I was you know what what
I receive when I was in there? Uh, I just remembered.
I was what I was going to have for lunch,
pametto cheese sandwiches. I love babetto cheese, and I always
getting very happy. But I remember I'm going to have
a meetto cheese sandwich much But no, I guess I
didn't found it. But fight, it's a lot for the
(06:48):
help you're with me. Well, I wish I had found
I really wish I had. Well, I gotta go have
my palmetto cheese for lunch. Now. It's been real nice
talking to you, okay, And I really didn't find I
wish I had you. Okay.
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I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the ex Zone, a
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In July of nineteen forty seven, something crashed near the
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enthusiasts around the world, headed by nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman. Now,
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his belief on the stories that he has heard from
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and other government agencies. The Roswell incident was not a
crashed alien ship. Friedman and his followers insist to this
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All hnry, Welcome to the XI Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
Rob Konno.
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Time and welcome back to the x on every one.
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magic address X Nation. My first guest tonight is David Gagan,
and we're going to be speaking to David about our
Eternal Existence. And joining me now from the state of
Florida is David Gegan. And David Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 11 (10:08):
Thank you, Rob. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
David, tell us a little bit about yourself and what
was it that inspired you to write Our Our Eternal Existence?
Speaker 11 (10:18):
Well, Rob, I'm you know, I'm an engineer who has
spent his life trying to figure out who I am,
where I am, and why am I here?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And house I working for you? So far?
Speaker 11 (10:36):
Go ahead, sir, oh so I uh you know, I
uh I had a uh you know, I had I
had a father who got me interested in reading strange
books when I was in high school, and I found
them rather fascinating, quite frankly, and things like aku aku
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and various various other other topics, and I could never
figure out what was going on. But it seemed like
there was something going on in this world, and I
didn't understand what it was. So I was always interested
in it. And when I went to life, I became
an electrical engineer and had a h had had a
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life as an engineer and a manager and a senior
executive in the government and such, and I I eventually
decided to retire, and I spent a lot of time studying,
and so I decided to write a book. And the
first book I wrote was The Endless Journey. And then
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and that was after I retired.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And then a few years ago I.
Speaker 11 (11:48):
Had a a radio station called the Common Sense Spirituality
Show radio show anyway, and I ended up having a
lot of fascinating and I thought I'd put another book
together to try to explain some of the answers that
I didn't fully explain in the first book. So that's
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why I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
What kind of questions do you ask in your books
that you just couldn't answer, Well, things.
Speaker 11 (12:17):
Like who am I? And I was? You know, you
wonder what this life is all about? And I turned
out that you know, we're eternal beings having a life
existence and uh, you know we're not what we appear
to be. We're not our body. We're you know, we're
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a consciousness having a life, and and and and where
are we? You know what? You know? It seems like
we're in this strange, strange world, this reality which if
you believe Einstein and Plato.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
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the bar. You're suppliant. It's electrified. You ben shape. But sammy.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Explanation. David Gagan is my special guest. This our www
dot David Gagan dot com. David. Before we went to
the last break, we were talking about I guess reincarnation
where children have come back and they've been able to
tell their parents once they become of the age where
they can talk, that they describe other lives, they describe
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other locations that can actually be verified. But my question
to you, sir, is why doesn't this happen to everyone?
Speaker 11 (14:53):
Well, we work with the same people life after life.
I mean, there's a lot of people we work with,
but your last life, you might have your mother might
be your child.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
In this life.
Speaker 11 (15:08):
How confusing would that be? You really need a clean
slate if you want to have the experiences down here,
that or here I don't know if it's down but
if you want to have the experience in this life
that you came down to have, you can't remember the
past lives and still understand the experiences and have the
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experiences that you're looking for. So most of us are
going to forget these things. As matter of fact, these children,
these children will have forgotten their past lives by the
time they're teenagers. But virtually one hundred percent of them.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Okay, so why do we need to keep coming back
and coming back and coming back to me? That seems rhetorical.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
There's a lot of things things to learn. We uh,
we you know, we're we're evolving and we and it
takes us a long time to evolve. Basically eternity, we've
probably our souls have been alive for or been in existence.
I should put it for millions of years, maybe maybe
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billions for all I know, a long time. So we
start out as virtually nothing, and we're trying to learn.
And what we're trying to learn about is ourselfs because
that's the only thing that exists, the tow and and
which is we call it God, call it universal consciousness,
you can call it anything you want. But we are
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part of that. We are part of a web of
consciousness that is learning about itself. We're part of that web.
So we come back to have different types of experiences.
These lives that we live are very very limited and
their intent and so you just can't learn that much
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in any given life. You need many lives to learn this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But once again I understand that this has been researched
and studied, but there is no proof positive that any
of this is real.
Speaker 11 (17:20):
Well what what what do you need for proof positive? What?
What you know? It's you have to look. It's it's
like any engineering problem. Do we ever? Are we ever
absolutely one positive that some some scientific theory is true. No,
we're not. We're not positive of anything. So what we're
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trying to do is we say, well, what's the most logical,
what what makes the most sense, what fits most of
the data in the criteria that that we come up
with and and this fits far more than the you know,
I mean, people believe the Big Bang theory. You say, well, yeah,
I believe that by telling me that. But there's no
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reason to believe that the Big Bang theory is right,
absolutely zero.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But what is the reason to believe it otheres? But
what is the reason then to believe that we come
back time after time after time after time after time
after time.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
It's just it's just what I've been trying to say.
There is there are many many things like doctor Weiss,
many lies, many masters. He was he didn't believe in
any of this, and he had a he wrote a
book a number of years ago, I think it was
around eighty nine, and he and he just told his
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experience from what what he found. And what he found
was that he was trying to solve some of his patients,
which was Catherine at the time, trying to solve some
of her issues. So he decided to go back and
hypnotize her and see if he could see if he
could he could identify some uh uh, some some dramatic
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things that took place in her earlier life. And what
happened she went back to he took her back, but
she went back to life after life after life. There
are so many, so many psychologists that have done this,
many that haven't written books about it. They say, yeah,
that's what we find. You know, it's a whole body
of knowledge there that if you if you don't look
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into it, you'll you'll never you'll never find it. You'll
you have to you have to convince yourself. You can't
let anybody else convince you. You have to do it yourself.
But there's many places to look that that you'll start
going in and you say, well, you know, something's going
on here. This this, this is not what I've been
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being taught in school. But this is happening, and you're
finding more and more scientists that are beginning to look
and realize, hey, wait a minute, there's a lot more
going on here than what meets the eye.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
All right. So it sounds as if this is a
perspective that if you, as an individual, want to look
at the data and make it fit into a theory,
that tends you to think that it's more plausible than
any other theory of life in existence. That's what you do, right,
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It's what you.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
Do for exactly, but it's what you do for everything.
You know whether no matter what you're doing, whatever your
view is, whether it's religious, whether it's scientific, whether it's metaphysical,
you look at a certain amount of data and you
make the decision on what you believe to be the
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most likely perspective. And if you look at enough of it,
you know, then then you start realizing that there's other
perspectives out there, and then you try to put them
together to see, hey, what makes sense. It's no different
than solving I used to design flight control systems for
Boeing for the helicopters, and you know, if it wasn't working,
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what would I do. I'd go and I'd say, Okay,
what's the most likely cause for this to happen? So
you'd look at a number of different different elements and
you'd say, okay, this is what I believe will happen.
Sometimes it's right, sometimes is wrong. But the more you look,
the more you would find out what the answer was,
and eventually you tricked the problem. But that's how that's
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how we solve everything. We look at it and and
the problem is a lot of people don't take the
time and energy to look at it. Then I can
understand that, I mean, we have busy lives. Everybody's trying
to get on with life, so a lot of people
don't have the time. And another thing, a lot of
people don't realize that there's answers out there, so they
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don't look and they don't spend the time doing it.
But if you do, and if you looked at this stuff,
you know, most people would you know, would start to
realize that, wait a minute, this isn't quite the way
it's contained to it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, you know, history has lied to us, and the
educational depart the educational system lies to us. However, yes
it does. However, if this theory of yours is accurate
and it's true, why do we need to live at all?
Speaker 11 (22:32):
Because way you need experiences. The trouble was because this
is because this is an illusion. Your soul that creates
you would see right through the illusion. So if the
soul wanted to have the experiences that you and I
are having, it couldn't do it in this illusion because
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it would see through it. It has to create a
vehicle that allows uh it that vehicle to feel and
see the illusion in order to have the experiences. So,
if the soul wants experience these type of experiences. In
other words, if the soul wants to experience negative energy
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like fear, it can't do it in the realm that
it's in. It needs to set up an illusion that
allows it to have that experience.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, hold on here, I'm trying to follow lose Okay,
I come down here. I've got this business plan already
in my little possession. I go through life, okay, following
my business plan. But what happens if I decide not
to follow the business plan. Let's say I'm a renegade,
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which I am. You can choose not to, but how
doesn't doesn't that screw up everybody else? Because, according to
the way that I understand that you're telling me, what
I do has caused and effect on others. So if
I go away from the script, I'm not only screwing
myself up, but I'm also causing a major catastrophe with
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all those who were supposed to have contact with me.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Well, there's no question that you can go off your plan,
but everybody has their own plan, and they're not as affected,
nearly as affected by other people going off their plan
as you might think, because you still have a soul
here that is continually trying to guide you in the
direction that it wants you to go. That you don't
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have to follow the soul, but the soul provides those
opportunities through things like synchronicity, and that it will lead you.
It will lead you to where it would like to go.
It will like you to go, and you agreed to
it originally before you came down here. But if other people,
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if indeed, if somebody is supposed to do something for
you in a life, for example, be your parent, and
that person decided not to have any children or had
all the children they wanted, by the time you came around,
you'd have another parent. You'd have multiple parents, multiple paths
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that you could follow follow If you indeed didn't get
your number one choice, so you might pick you might
pick a dozen a dozen people to be your parents,
and each one of them would said, that's fine, I'll
do that. But when you get down here, they may
not do it because of whatever circumstances they may find themselves.
You pick their own, You pick a set of spouses,
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and if indeed those spouses are not available, or you
pick somebody else. I mean, you have free will. You
don't have to pick the one that you chose, you
can pick somebody else.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But what's the sense of having a script? I don't
have to follow it What happens if I don't tell
that one? To this thought? We've got to take our break.
My producer just interrupted me here, so please stand by xation.
Our guest this hour is David Gagan g A G
G I N and his website is David Gagan dot com.
And we'll both be back on the other side as
we try to unravel this rather confusing topic. Are you
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Do you have a Gagin's here a special guest extonation.
He's the author of our Internal Existence. His website is
www dot David Gagan dot com. David, if if this
is true, and I'm having a hard time believing it.
Why then do we push forward? Why are we trying to,
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you know, go to Mars. Why are we trying to
go back to the moon. Why are we trying to
make all these new and important discoveries if we really don't.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
Have to, Well, because they're interesting, I mean, why why
wouldn't we want to want to do this?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
But it's not we don't remember what's going on. But
it's not going to affect us one way or the other.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Whether we get to Mars or not. You're absolutely right,
it's not going to affect it. But it's interesting. It's
interesting to go there. But you're absolutely right. As far
as us personally individually, a lot of the things we
do isn't going to affect us except for the experiences
that we have. The experiences will affect us, and they'll
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affect us forever. But you don't need to go to
Mars to have these experience. You don't have to go
to the moon. You don't have to solve diseases. But
they're interesting, and we try to do that as a
civilization to try to make our it more comfortable here.
But in reality, the people that lived were some of us,
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you know, five thousand years ago had as valuable as
the experiences as we're having today. You don't have to
do it, But it's the experiences that we're here.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
For, all right, the experiences that we're here for are
or is it possible that we are being manipulated by
some other force in order to live the experiences so
that we can lay the experiences that we're each having
and putting these experiences into a large data bank for
lack of better words, for some answer reason.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
The answer to that is yes, yes to a certain extent.
When you say manipulated, we are being encouraged to have
these experiences. We've agreed to have it. I mean, we
came down here, we chose to come down here. We
agreed to have the experiences. But manipulated sounds like we
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don't have control over it, and that's not true.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, well do have control over it? All right? Who
did we agree with to do this and who is
in control of what we do?
Speaker 11 (30:48):
One we are in control, but the original one is
our soul. Basically our soul, our spiritual essence, our consciousness.
That's who. That's who we agreed the consciousness said our
soul said, this is what I would like to experience,
and therefore it created us, and we agreed to have
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that experience. And of course the problem is that as
soon as we come down here, we forget what we
agreed to, But the soul doesn't forget to what we
agreed to. So the soul encourages us and guides us,
and it sets us up with synchronous opportunities that encourage
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us to go have these experiences that it wanted. But
we agreed with our self to do it because it's
our self that's trying to learn and evolved.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If all this information is going into a central data
bank somewhere in the great unknown, why don't we just
plug into the data bank and experience the experience is
that other souls have experienced through our time.
Speaker 11 (31:59):
Because our experiences are unique, everybody's experience is unique, we
see things from a different perspective. Take, for example, you
go to a football game. Simple example, you go to
a football game with your with your your close buddy.
You both root for the same team, You sit right
next next to each other, your team wins or loses.
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You have the same food, you have the same drink,
and you both had very different experiences because because of
you are a unique individual, each one of us is unique,
and there is an infinite number of literally an infinite
number of experiences that we can have, and we learn
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from every experience that we have. And yes, they do
go into a data bank and as experiences and uh,
and the ones that are that are new and and
we create, they're the ones that are. And you know,
if it's it turns about to be real knowledge, it's not.
If it's duplicate, if it's mistakes, nobody cares about our mistakes.
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They only care about the new things that we.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
But what's the endgame of this all? What's the endgame?
What is the ultimate pertunity?
Speaker 11 (33:17):
Eternity? Eternity? The endgame is to grow and be wise
wise enough to create, for example, your own universe. It's
to be wise enough to understand everything. And you'll never
be that wise nobody will be because there's always other
things to understand.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
One.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
It's a if you live for eternity, it's it's It
would be pretty boring to just say, Okay, I've learned
everything that needs to be done. I read all the books,
I remember everything in the books, and now I still
have eternity to go. You need a purpose, you need
a plan in life. If you're going to exist forever,
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you have to be doing something that is of interest
to you. And it turns out that there's an amazing
number of things to do, and there's never there's never
an end to what you learn. Even the wisest spirits
in existence, and you would look at them and you'd say, now,
that's a perfect being, and that being would say to you, no, no,
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I'm not perfect. I have much more to learn. We
just wouldn't see it because they knew so much more
than we did.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now, in theory, this is really nice, you know, in theory,
but in reality, is this another way of trying to
explain our existence? Is this another way of trying to
add some semblance of normalcy to this world we live in?
You know what's wrong with the established religious philosophies? They've
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worked for thousands of years, and yet here come the
new adres waving a new flag.
Speaker 11 (34:58):
You know, if well, how well have the if all
these religions work? I mean, think about it. But you're
talking religion, you're talking about it.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You're talking about a theory, You're talking about nothing that
has any fact basis, Well, do the religion. I don't know.
I I liked I liked the concept of my religion
better than I like the concept that you're trying to
sell me.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Okay, well that's fine, but but you know, the religions
are based on belief and and and you know, just
like science, it's based on beliefs. Now, the question is
what's the most believable, what makes the most sense. That's
what you got to look at. The religions have struggled.
I'll tell you if you look at if you look
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at it, and let's pick a couple of religions. Let's
let's pick well, we'll pick Christianity and maybe Buddhism and
maybe Hinduism. And you say, okay, if you go back
and you look at those religions from the very beginning,
much what the original Christ and Buddha was trying to
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tell us is exactly what I'm saying. That's but then
it got all bastardized as Man put his hand in
the pot and stirred the religions around. So it's hard
to see what the what some of the original truths were.
But those religions, if you go far enough back, they
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all sing the same song and it's and it's extremely
consistent with with what I'm saying with the metaphysical perspective.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Then why then, why then, Why wasn't the metaphysical way
of looking at it the original way of looking at it?
Why did we have to wait so many years for
it to come to fruition before everybody heard about it?
Speaker 11 (37:00):
And they heard about it, But it's you know, life
just goes on. Where you know, we've got a very
young society here, young being that. You know, if you're
you come in and you reincarnate, and the first time
you reincarnate, you're pretty naive, and you're pretty uh, you know,
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you're pretty young spiritually. And then as as you come
down again and again, you start to mature and you
start to understand and see the world very differently. So
when when the world is full of very young souls,
you're going to have different sets of circumstances, then you're
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going to have if the world was full of older souls,
and the souls are getting older and older in this round,
in this realm, so the world is getting to be
a little bit more controllable. Although you've never noted if
you read the front page of any of our major papers.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So how can a soul get old? I'm having a
problem with that because if we keep coming back, coming back,
coming and back, coming back, it seems that we our
soul never ends. And speaking about that, where does the
soul originate?
Speaker 11 (38:20):
The soul originates? The soul is basically energy. The only
thing that exists is energy, and energy is aware. It's
self aware energy. That's the only thing that exists. Everything
in existence is some form of self aware energy. And
that's a hard concept to understand, but that's basically what
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it is. So the soul is just self aware energy.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So if the soul is just this self aware energy,
where did the soul, based on it just being energy,
get the concept or the idea that hey, I'm going
to become a soul and I'm going to go down
and I'm going to have all these lifetimes.
Speaker 11 (39:08):
It came slow and painfully over god.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Knows how many years.
Speaker 11 (39:14):
But from where we're talking trillion, But from where where
the first one came from? Yeah, where the first one
came from is a good question. The energy there is
an infinite amount, as I understand it, of dormant, latent
energy that that is in existence in the unknown, in
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the absolute, if you will, and once uh uh something
turned that one one piece of energy into a It
took it out of its dormant state and turned it
into a vitalent.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
David, I'm going to have to hold you there because
I've got to take my final break Xon Nation. I'll
be back on the other side of this break with
David Gagan as we wrap up this how we're here
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David Gagon is our special guest this our His website
is David Gagan dot com and he's the author of
Our Eternal Existence. David, I've always understood that energy has
to have a start somewhere. It just didn't go poof,
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and there's the energy. Where did our energy as you're
talking about our soul energy originally from what's the start
of it? And in order to understand where the end is,
I've always believed that you have to know where the
start is.
Speaker 11 (42:14):
Well they if you want, if you look at science,
they don't give you a start. If you look at religion,
they don't give you a start. So just because it's
hard to figure out where all this started, you know,
it doesn't mean it didn't start. It started somewhere. And
I'm telling you that there was energy in existence, and
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you're assuming that the energy in this universe is a
closed system, and there's no reason to believe that it's
a closed system. That's what science tells us. It's a
closed system, but it's not a closed system. And where
it started is as I said, something and I don't
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know what that something was earned the first piece of energy,
and we're talking huge amount of time ago. It turned
a piece of energy into vitality, into a live energy.
And all energy is live once it stops being dormant.
Live meaning it understands itself, it knows it exists, and
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it's aware of its surroundings. Now the surroundings may be
very different and definitely are and what we would see
as our surrounding. But when it first comes into existence,
it becomes it becomes this conscious entity, tiny tiny, little
conscious energy, but it continually works on other energy and
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other energy and other energy, and it continually changes all
that dormant or a lot of the dormant energy about
all a lot of the adormant energy into vitality, which
in time grows or has grown into spiritual beings as
these spirits became wiser and UH and understood more about
(44:10):
itself and.
Speaker 10 (44:12):
Who it is.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
If we are energy, why do we have to be born?
Why do we have to put somebody through the grief
of childbirth? Why can't we just pop up and say, okay,
I'm here, let's try this one.
Speaker 11 (44:26):
It's it's the it's the experiences that we're trying to have,
and everything that we go through is in it's a
learning experience. And you could in other other places. But
if you want to experience and have the experiences of
this physical UH aspect, this physical field or universe, if
(44:49):
you will, you need to. You need to somehow be
able to get here. And this is what the powers
it be chose the best way to do it.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
David in the spirit your world.
Speaker 11 (45:01):
You could you could just you know, pop into to
be energy anywhere you wanted, David, had you yourself or
anywhere you want?
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Have you yourself had in your death experience or not
a body experience?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Then how can you talk about something you've never had?
Speaker 11 (45:19):
Well, you know, everybody talks about them. It's things they
didn't have. You don't have to have any a personal
experience to understand it. I mean, I've communicated with the
spiritual beings. My wife is deceased, I've communicated with her.
It's incredibly easy to communicate with people on the other
side if you're close to them. If it would if
(45:42):
I was talking to George Washington, I would know George
Washington or not. But I could certainly talk to somebody
that I was married to for fifty years and know
that that's the individual I'm talking to, because they will
tell you things that that make it obvious that that's them.
(46:02):
I mean, anybody can do this. You can do this.
Anybody can communicate with the other side because they don't
go anywhere. They stay here and they just change state.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So are you saying that you're a medium as well?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
No, but you can go.
Speaker 11 (46:18):
You go through a medium and you and and you
can easily. You know, there's many good mediums out there.
You go to a medium and you say, hey, you
don't tell them anything about you except your name and
the person you want to contact, and maybe your relationship
with a person. And then they tell you the things
that that the spirit tells them and the spirit wants.
(46:41):
Spirit's a loved one that you you know, that's the
people you're going to communicate with. If you lost a child,
right you lost a parent, you lost your spouse, and
they're going to want to convince you that they're still alive,
there's still a life going on. So they'll tell you
these things, and it's easy to be convinced that that's
who it is because nobody else would know the things
(47:03):
that they're going to you that you'll hear from the medium.
You don't need to be a medium, just need to
have one. And if and if you go to a
medium and they don't do it, go to another medium
because they're all. They aren't all. It's what they cracked
up to be. But it's easy to do, but you
have to decide to do it. You have to say, yeah,
this is a possibility. But if you never said but
(47:26):
if you said, well, it can't happen, then then you
never have the experience.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
But isn't it possible that the desire or the belief
to do something can actually manifest itself but not in
a realistic way that you're being fooled by your own
person because you want to believe it so much that
you really can hear, you really can see, you really
(47:52):
can feel something that's really not there.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
It's it's not the way it is.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I mean, it could, but is it possible?
Speaker 11 (48:02):
So easy, it's it's possible possible to convince yourself. But
there's so many ways that you know, you you know,
if if if you've had a you had something important
in your life, like a boat, and they named the
you know, and your spouse names the names the boat
that you had, and through the medium, right, I mean,
(48:24):
it's kind of hard to think that that's in your head,
that you know, it's it's on tape. The medium has
put it on tape for you. So it's kind of
hard to believe that you just made that up?
Speaker 1 (48:36):
All right, sir? Is it possible? Do you believe in esp.
Speaker 11 (48:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Is it possible that what a person does in front
of a medium is project the thoughts that there's a
there is a communication via esp and this is how
the through telepathy, right, is it possible? Well, that is
what the the psychic is picking up. And this is
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where the answers are coming from from you, not the
great beyond.
Speaker 11 (49:08):
It's it's it's hard to imagine because you're not thinking
of these things.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
You're not consciously you're not thinking of this.
Speaker 11 (49:16):
You're not consciously thinking of this boat's name. In the
example that I'm using here, right, you're just waiting for
the medium to tell you something. The medium can tell you.
You know, you're with somebody for fifty years. The medium
can tell you, you know, pick and choose that the
person on the other side can pick and choose anything
they want. You're not you might not even have thought
(49:37):
of this boat for you know, boat's name for twenty years.
But you know, so the chances of that happening time
and time again are so remote. And I do believe
in telepathy, I truly do. And and a lot of
the times, I mean you're not sitting across I mean
you do this by by telephone. You don't have to
(49:58):
be sitting across, but telepathy could work either way. But
it's just it's it's just it's a real stretch to
believe that that's what's causing it. Is it possible in
some circumstances, absolutely, but time and time again, it's just
a real stretch. You have to look at what's what
(50:19):
makes the most sense and what's most likely.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I understand that, sir, But it's also a great stretch
for the majority of people to believe that. You know,
we die, we come back, we die would come back,
we die would come back. We have this agree with you,
you know, so it's a.
Speaker 11 (50:36):
I agree with you. It's a tough stretch, and I
don't have a problem with it being a tough stretch.
It was a tough stretch for me. It took me
ten years from the time that I first saw something
that said that that sounded like reincarnation was real, but
I didn't understand it. For me to believe it took
(50:57):
me ten years of reading and stuff. Because I agree
we're taught, we're taught from through religion and science that
it doesn't make sense and it's not true. Although if
you go back to the original religions, all of them
they believed it, and that was a tenet in the
(51:20):
early religions, all of the early religions. But then, but
then along along, and you can see where it went away.
You can see that it was a I believe it
was the Fifth Ecumenical Council in four I don't know,
fifty or sixty a d that took it out of Christianity.
And it wasn't even it wasn't even one of the
(51:40):
clerics that took it out. It was the emperor. So
you know, you just thought it'd be easier to control
the people if they thought they only had one shot
at it. So you can see where it all changed.
But you've got to research it. You got to you know,
you got to look at it. It's not an easy sell.
I can't agree with you more. It took me years
(52:03):
to try to convince myself that this is the only way.
It's the only way it can work.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Let me let me ask you this question, sir. Let
me ask you this question, and I hope you don't
take it the wrong way. Since the passing of your wife,
the communications that you have with your wife have had
these cemented your beliefs.
Speaker 11 (52:25):
They just added to them.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
That's all.
Speaker 11 (52:27):
I believed it all I wrote. I wrote my first
book before she died. Okay, now it didn't it didn't.
It didn't know. It added to my beliefs, but it didn't.
It didn't change him.
Speaker 10 (52:43):
You know.
Speaker 11 (52:44):
I believe this long before she died.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
David. The time is coming to I. David, the time
is coming when I must say so long with you, sir.
Thank you so much for joining us. An next donation.
If you'd like to find out more about our guests
this hour, David Gavin Gaggin, I'm sorry, visit his website
David Gagan dot com. That's d A v I d
G A G g I n dot com and his
book is entitled Our Eternal Existence. Thank you for joining us, sir, Good,
(53:10):
Thank you, excell nation. I'll be back on the other
side of this break as we continue with our two
of tonight's show here in the X Zone, with yours
truly Rob McConnell. You come up. We're coming to you
from our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada,
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