September 11, 2025 • 54 mins
Denise Roffe has always had an affinity for all things paranormal. She is a founder of the Southeastern Institute of Paranormal Research. She has conducted hundreds of paranormal investigations over more than two decades. She has also collected numerous haunted objects over the years. She and her husband, Danny, live near the notoriously haunted Lake Lanier.
She has meticulously researched ghost stories in one of our nation's most haunted cities.
Misty figures that disappear, disembodied voices, and a creeping uneasiness envelope visitors to Charleston, South Carolina, known as the Holy City.
She is a rising glass/shattered glass artist and the vice-president of the Historical Society of Cumming/Forsyth County, Georgia. Denise has been married 28 years. She and Danny are the parents of one daughter, a SIL, and grandparents to four adorable grandboys.
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She has meticulously researched ghost stories in one of our nation's most haunted cities.
Misty figures that disappear, disembodied voices, and a creeping uneasiness envelope visitors to Charleston, South Carolina, known as the Holy City.
She is a rising glass/shattered glass artist and the vice-president of the Historical Society of Cumming/Forsyth County, Georgia. Denise has been married 28 years. She and Danny are the parents of one daughter, a SIL, and grandparents to four adorable grandboys.
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Please note that all XZBN radio and/or television shows are Copyright © REL-MAR McConnell Meda Company, Niagara, Ontario, Canada – www.rel-mar.com. For more Episodes of this show and all shows produced, broadcasted and syndicated from REL-MAR McConell Media Company and The 'X' Zone Broadcast Network and the 'X' Zone TV Channell, visit www.xzbn.net. For programming, distribution, and syndication inquiries, email programming@xzbn.net.
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x Onation. We're going to be talking about investigation, investigating
claims of ghosts and hauntings this hour. Denise Roth is
our special guest, and Denise has always had an affinity
for all things paranormal. She is the founder of the
Southwest Southeastern Institute of Paranormal Research. She has conducted hundreds
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of paranormal investigations over more than two decades. She has
also collected numerous haunted objects over the years. She and
her husband Danny live near the notoriously haunted Lake Lanier.
Joining me now is Denny's Rolf and Denise. Welcome to
the exone.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Hi there, thank you so tell us a.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Little bit more about yourself and how you got found yourself,
you know, getting into the world of the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Oh well, I lost my mom in nineteen ninety eight,
and up until that time, I believe when you die,
you go to heaven or hell, and that's that right.
So our mother passed away, and at the time, my
sister had a bed in breakfast, and to make a
(03:45):
long story short, the police called and said that all
the lights were on and all the doors were open
at the end. We were three doors down at my
sister's house, and so all of us walked up to
the end and the girls went to the back, myself,
my sister, my sister in law, while the men went
(04:09):
into the house. We were sure that somebody was going
to run out the back door. Somebody had been hiding
in the building. Well, my mother passed away in a
little house behind the end, and she used to go
down this little trail every morning and have breakfast with
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my sister before they my mother went to work. So
we're back there at the back door and we're watching
and my mother comes up that trail and goes into
the B and B, and my brother was inside the
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B and B and saw her come into the back
door and disappear. So my sister looked at me and
she said that was Mom and I said, yeah, yeah.
What So from that point on, and that was in
nineteen ninety eight, I started to try to find if
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there were other people having similar experiences, and of course
there are and there were, and I've been doing it
ever since.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
What was like when you realized that who you were
seeing was your mod?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
It kind of I thought what Initially I thought I
was the only one that saw her, And of course
I thought, you know, and this is split second going
through my brain like this, and I thought, wow, I'm
really missing her and you know, gosh, you know, I
must be remembering her walking that path. But when my
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sister said that was Mom, I just kind of I
was like, wow, what did we just see him? Why
did we see her?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And what what does this mean? And all of that.
So it was a journey. It's still a journey for me,
and I just keep going.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Was that the first and last time you saw your mom?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Over the years, when there's some stress in our household,
whether you know, whatever happens in normal life. My mother
was an avid smoker. She smoked three packs of cigarette
a day. So whenever we're having a really difficult situation
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my mother, I sense her and I smell cigarette smoke,
and then I know she's around. But she does the
same thing with my brother and my sister and their
households is well, so I know that she's still kind
of looking after us and hanging around.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You know, yes, So tell me what has been your
most intense experience that you've had so far as a
paranormal investigator.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Oh my goodness. Okay, So, we had investigated a private
residence and there was a lot of negativity at the residence,
and so I pulled the team because at that time,
we didn't have a demonologist or you know, anyone on
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our team that specialized in handling these negative, very negative
kind of situations and haunting. So I pulled my team
and referred the client to a demonologist that I knew
at the time, and he went out to the residence,
(08:06):
met with the homeowner, and he called me and he said, Denise,
don't have any more contact with this girl because this
demon is very strong and if you continue to have
contact with her, you may be affected. So I didn't,
(08:30):
you know, I wouldn't answer the phone when she called.
But one time she called, and the very first voicemail
message that she left was just kind of her. It
was like a butt dial, you know, where I could
hear her and her boyfriend talking. The second one was
(08:56):
they had started to argue, so they were arguing. The
third voicemail though, we had been to another residence, a
different residents altogether, and I had some what I thought
might be EVPs and they were on my desktop computer
(09:19):
at home. I had not shared them with anyone. I
hadn't sent them out to the team yet because I
was just compiling them and I wanted to listen to
them again. So they were on my desktop computer at home.
But the voicemail from this woman from her phone number
(09:40):
were my EVPs from my desktop playing back to me
in the voicemail, and that completely freaked me out. So
that was probably the most intense.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I could imagine that. Yeah, Wow, did the person did
the demonologist thought your contact? Was he able to finally
eradicate the demon that was bothering this family? He was?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
He was, He was able, And as far as I know,
he's still in contact, you know, making sure that she's
still doing well.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
A lot of people, A lot of people seem to
be reporting an increase in demonic intervention. Right, is there
any reason or rhyme to why this is happening now
in society as to why it wasn't doing the same
thing ten fifteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I don't know. I think that maybe maybe we're just
now recognizing it. I don't know that it's any actually
anymore or less. And the other thing is, I think
that people are more apt to reach out for help
when they're experiencing these things, So I don't know that
it's any more or less than it all been.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
How many years have you and your team been together?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I started the team in two thousand and eight, so
I am terrible at maths, but I'm starting in two
thousand eight.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It's okay. How many members of it are they in
your team?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
There are currently twelve?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Currently twelve. And when you go out to do an investigation,
before you actually go to the residence or to the
area or the establishment, is there a an intake sheet
that you people will do?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
An intake sheet? Well? Do you mean, like, do you
ask the people?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Do you ask the people questions about the paranormal event
before you actually go there, I do.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I interview. I'm typically the point of contact, okay, So
I have honestly about one hundred questions that I asked before,
and because I want to know that what you're experiencing
is worth our team coming out, right, so.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I do.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Talk to them and find out what's going on. Now.
I don't share any of that information with my team
before we go out, and they don't discuss what they
might be sensing or feeling during the investigation with each other.
But at the end of the night, it's really interesting
(12:33):
to see, you know, what they were picking up and
a lot of times it's the same thing, and a
lot of times it's you know, dead on.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Sure, Denise, we're going to have to take our first break.
Please done, Bally, thanks very much for joining us. Are
you still there, Denise?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
All right. If you'd like to get more information about
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dot com. This is the x Zone. I am Rob mcculloll.
We're coming to you on the xzon Broadcast Network and
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It grows all there and it's a reason for fact.
Denise Roth is my special guest ex Oon Nation. We're
talking about investigating claims of the ghosts and hauntings here
this hour, here in the X Zone. Denise, what, in
your opinion is a ghost?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think a ghost is energy that is left after
a person passes away. I think that it can be
interactive and intelligent, or it can be revidual energy.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Okay, So when you go to these locations that are haunted,
why does the ghost stick around? Like if I was
able to leave a place where I've been haunting for
I don't know how long, why would they stay? Why
don't they just leave and go to the light.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
You know, that's a really good question. I don't have
the answer. I wish I knew the answer, but you know,
I've been doing this a long time now and I
don't have a clear oh this is why answer. I
know that a lot of investigators my things that they do,
but I don't. I would imagine there's as many reasons
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to stay as there are to leave.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
When you and your crew and your team, I should say,
have established through the intake information that you've taken that yes,
we're going to bring the team over to this location,
how do you prepare yourselves for the investigation? And once
you arrive at the location, how do you start the investigation?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Okay, so as far as preparing ourselves, I myself, I pray.
I'm you know, I grew up in a well Baptist household,
but my father was Catholic, So I myself pray. But
the team has a different religious beliefs and different beliefs
(16:15):
on how to prepare themselves. So that's how we prepare. Now,
once we get to the location, we start by getting
some base readings temperature and EMF. We know that for
sure man made items can affect EMF meters, right, so
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we want to look for any hot spots at the
location before we start investigating.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
What kind of equipment do you use?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Oh my goodness, Okay, the team has a lot of
different equipment, a lot of the newer equipment, the rim
pods and the oh, I forget what they're called. I myself,
I don't use much equipment. I just I think that
(17:12):
what you need most is your brain. I think that
that's you know. I do take a notepad in a pen.
But my team has a lot of the equipment that
you can find basically everywhere. And I do use a
(17:36):
K two meter, but I'm very skeptical about the K
two's just because, like I said, so many man made
things can affect them. Those and rim pods and a
lot of the other equipment can be affected even by
your cell phone. If you get a message on a
cell phone, it can affect those things. So I don't
(18:01):
have a lot of faith. But what I do find
interesting is when we can have a two way kind
of conversation using the equipment, using rim pods or the
K two meters or the whatever the yes knows and
the some of the other equipment.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Kind of what kind of conversation would you have with
the spirit on the other side, What kind of questions
would you ask them?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Well, a lot of times we don't ask questions. A
lot of times we just sit quietly and see if
we have anything. But sure we ask you know what,
the typical what's your name, what you're is it? You know,
why are you here? Things like that. We've had a
(18:54):
lot of interesting EVPs where we do get direct answers
to questions, but we've also had our team members' names
called and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So how would the spirits know the names of your team?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
That's a really good question. Again, I don't Well, when
we come in, we do introduce ourselves to whatever might
be there, So I guess that's how.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Have you ever had a situation where you and your
team go into this location and you have done your
due diligence, you have done everything to the very best
of your ability. At the end of the night or
the end of the investigation, you and your team have
(19:46):
found nothing. Oh sure, How does that? How does the
person who's called you on the phone, who believes they
have a problem, how do they how do they react
to the Well, no, we checked and there's nothing here.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Some people.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Are really upset about it. They don't understand why we
couldn't find something, and of course we get blamed sometimes
because people are upset, but we're not there to you know,
prove or dis well, that's that's not true. It's a
(20:27):
it's a fine line between the research, doing the research
and making people happy. That's one big reason why we
don't take any payment for what we do. We don't
want to be in a position where we have to
make somebody happy. I mean, it's either there or it isn't.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But you're offering these people, uh, the opportunity to have
an outsider come in who's thinking and looking outside of
the box, to come into to try and establish whether
or not something is there or not, and to do
it for free, you know, hats off to you.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Well, I mean the other side of that, we don't
ever just walk away from a client and dump them.
We don't ever just go, oh, there's nothing here, Oh,
well see you right. You know, we try to counsel
them and we may come back on different occasions and
try to investigate again. You know, we never just walk
(21:32):
away from a client and say, you know, well that's it.
We just don't do that.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
How about when a client tells you listen, Denise I'm
telling you the other day, I walked into the kitchen
and there was a coup levitating. And then later on
that day, I was sitting in the in the in
the living room watching TV and I saw a glass
move right across the table in front of me. How
(22:06):
do you try and and justify the actions that the
client saw when you and your team, who was well experienced,
found nothing, well, we don't.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
You know, I'm not going to say no, that didn't happen,
and you know it very well may have happened, but
we weren't there to see it. So when I generally
tell people when that, well, first of all, if things
are moving, I want to know if you have a
teenage child in your home, you know, I want to
(22:42):
know if there's some telepathy going on that or telekineseis
some point.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So what you're looking is at the poltergeist aspect, right, okay, right?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
So but again we don't just walk away. I usually
tell them to set up some video camera and see
if they can't catch something. You know, when we're not there.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Has there ever been an instance where you and your
team came across something that you just totally didn't expect
and the goosebumps were there, and the hair on the
back of the neck went up.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Oh sure, yes, boy. We were at Bobby Mackie's investigating
Bobby Mackie's, and there's a lot of misinformation about Bobby
Mackie's out there, but it was historically a house and
(23:41):
then turned into a couple other things, and eventually the
the bar. But we were at Bobby Mackie's and heard
audibly a voice just out of nowhere. Couldn't make out
what it's said, but it sure raised some goosebumps, you know.
(24:07):
A couple a couple of the team members wanted to
go kind of hide in the corner, not be anywhere
near where the voice was heard. So there, you know.
And then full body apparitions when we see them. Of course,
I used to jump back and be a little afraid,
(24:28):
but at this point I've seen so many that I
it doesn't affect me anymore, but it does affect some others.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
This Bobby and Mackiw's place that you were talking about,
you said it had you know, there were two. There
was a questionable reputation. Why was that, Well, it's not.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's just that the rumor out there is that it
was a flaughterhouse. That was never a flaughter house. Okay,
you know, there's just information misinformation about the building itself.
You know, it was still a very interesting investigation historically,
(25:13):
it's really interesting and cool. There was a jail in
the basement and old jail. It did have ties at
that time to the mafia. And when at first when
it very first opened, it was very successful, and the
mafia came in and said, you know, we want to
buy your bar. And you don't really say no to
(25:36):
the mafia, you know, so they sold it and there
were some shady things that went down because of that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Wow, But.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You know, it was it was just never a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So all right, Denise, please stand by you and I
have to take our break. At the bottom of the hour.
A next ohnation. Denise Roth is our very special guest
this hour, and if you'd like to contact Denise, if
you'd like to visit her website, her website is SI
p R Investigations dot com. And Denise and I will
be back on the other side of this very short
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break as the xone continues with Here's truly Rob McConnell
from our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catharine's Ontario, Canada,
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And welcome back. Denis Roth is our special guest this hour,
and we're talking about ghost hauntings things. Is that called
bump in the night And Denise, I'm very interested about
a bit of information that you sent us about Lake Lanier.
Lake Lanier, Okay, that's you see, that's the French in
me Lanier.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Right er, Okay, that's the southern and me.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, So that that means between you and I we
make a great team.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
That's right there.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
We go tell me a about Lake Lanier.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Okay, So Lake Lanier is a man made lake made
from dam and it's one of the largest lakes in
the country from what I understand. But lately there's been
a lot of attention on the lake because there was
(28:53):
a movie that came out about the lake that highlighted
it being and there's a lot of local lore of
course about the lake being haunted. One of the huge misconceptions.
So they say that there are burials under the lake,
(29:15):
that a lot of the graves were never moved from
by the Army Corps of Engineers who built the lake. However,
that's there may be some burials under the lake, but
they weren't marked burials, and they weren't discovered before the lake,
(29:37):
before the land was flooded. If anything, I would think
that there would be Native American burials possibly under the lake.
We live in a place where we know the Cherokee
Nation was very active here, and of course there was
the Trail of Tears that went through here, specifically just
(30:00):
north of where I live, north of Atlanta. So if anything,
I would think Native American burials. But anyway, one of
the things that is out there is that Lake Laniers
haunted by the town of Oscarville, that is under the water.
(30:26):
The town of Oscarville was in a town. Oscarville was
actually a post office. The patent for the post office
I believe was eighteen eighty four by a man named
Oscar I want to say Monroe. I'm not sure that's right. However,
(30:50):
when he sent in the patent for the post office,
he was the ward of the patent and he named
his post office Oscarville. The post office was no more
than a little piece of counter in a general store.
It was a little piece of countertop where you could
(31:11):
receive and drop off your mail. Oscarville. The area where
the post office was is not under the lake. It's
still above the lake. And a lot of people have
a misconception that Oscarville was under the water, and that
(31:31):
because of an incident that happened here in nineteen twelve,
which was, you know, some twenty years twenty something years
after oscar applied for the patent for the post office,
there was an incident involving a white woman who was
attack and murdered by a black man, and so there
(31:58):
was a lot of race upset here in nineteen twelve
where I live in the precise county, Georgia. So a
lot of people use Oscarville and say that the lake
is haunted and that it's haunted specifically because of all
the racial tension that was here in nineteen twelve. And
(32:23):
those two things are completely they just don't have anything
to do with each other. I mean, the post office
was the post office, and everything that happened with the
incident did happened. And you know, we can't go back
in time in a time machine and fix everything, but
(32:45):
it would be nice if folks could just get the
facts straight.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, it seems that when there's something like that that
people love to dramatize it and then use it to
their own advantage. True, the truth is something that is
very scarce when it comes to the power of normal
because people love to embellish their encounters, or even if
there was no encounter, they love to embellish it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
True, it's very true.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Something that I've learned over the many years of doing
this show, Denise, is that paranormal investigators in research, like
yourself are great historians.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
That's probably what I truly love as well as you know,
going out and investigating. It's the historic it's the historic
stuff that I'm always drawn to and always interested in.
(33:52):
You know, I want to know all about what the
building was. You know, were there means of ghosts and
paranormal hauntings way before now? Like you know, one hundred
years ago, were people saying the place was haunted? You know,
things like that. I want to know. I want to
(34:13):
know about the past.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Tell me about your book.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Oh, my book is Ghosts and Legends of Charleston, South Carolina.
And what I did was I looked up how the
ghost story began and did the research to try and
figure out, you know, how it how it blossomed from
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A to b. You know, how did this story become
a legend, so to speak. So a lot of it,
the history was much more interesting than the actual ghost story.
But I write about the history and how the ghost
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stories began, and that's it. It's all in my books there.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Now, what is the name of your book again.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Ghosts and Legends of Charleston, South Carolina?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And is it available on Amazon dot com?
Speaker 5 (35:17):
It is? It is available on Amazon?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What was it your most favorite story or your most
captivating experience that you wrote in your book.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Oh, my goodness, I guess my favorite story was probably
the first one that I researched. I had never been
to Charleston before I wrote my book, and I wanted
to go, of course, And when I got there, I
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was alone. It was I had been to Savannah to
a paranormal conference and then I went alone by myself
and went to Charleston. It's only about an hour and
a half from Savannah. So I walked into this I
was hungry and I walked into this bar. I wanted
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some nachos.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, So I walked into this bar and it had
these gorgeous stained glass windows in the bar, and I
start looking around and realized that I'm sitting in what
used to be a church. So I asked the server,
you know, I said, what's what's the story about this place?
(36:39):
What's going on? And he just started telling me how
it used to be a sailor chapel, and that you know,
it was haunted. There was a lady in blue that
was always seen in the restroom, and he just launched
into all the these stories about the bar, and so
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I did the research found out it did indeed used
to be a sailor's chapel and non denominational chapel where
sailors could come in and praise or whatever. But the
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ghost story about the lady started way before that, and
it was just interesting to me. That was one of
those places where I thought the history of the chapel
was much more interesting. The chapel used to be, like,
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what was it about two hundred yards from where it
stands now, but the water rose, and as the water rose,
it flooded the chapel, so they moved it. And you know,
it was just a lot of interesting stuff to me,
and that was one of my favorite stories.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
What does your family think of the ghost and paranormal
investigating that you do, I must I would imagine that
they're very proud of you as an author.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
They are proud of me as an author. My sister
is married to a Southern Baptist pastor. Yeah, so there's
a lot of interesting conversations when we all get together.
She is very proud. She doesn't necessarily believe what I believe.
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Even after seeing our mother, she has a little different opinion.
So my daughter doesn't want she does believe but she
doesn't want anything to do with it. I think it
scared her a little bit. Right, she's thirty six now,
so you would think it wouldn't but it still scares
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her a little bit. So and my husband tolerates it.
My husband has tolerated me for we've been married twenty
eight years.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
God bless us. Does he ever go on to investigations
with you?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I invite him all the time, but he's like, no,
that's okay.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You and I have to take our final break for
this hour. Denise. It's really nice talking to you. We've
been talking with Denise about the paranormal hauntings. We talked
a little bit about demonology. But when we come back,
I talk to Denise about stained glass artistry. And she's
also the vice president of the Historical Let Me See
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Society of Coming Forsyth County, Georgia. Wow, let's talk more
about these great topics the xcell. I'm Rob McConnell, Denise
and I will be back on the other side of
this break. So whatever you do, don't go away. And
you're listening to us on your hometown radio, The X
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Speaker 3 (41:29):
And that's you and let Me See Now and Forever
by Anne Murray. Wow, that's been a long time ago,
but it was still a great song and that covers
my Canadian content for this hour. Dennise Truff is our
special guest, and Denise, I understand that you're into glass
shattered glass artistry. Tell me about that. That sounds fast.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
It's fun because I get to break things, you know,
I get to take a hammer and go break glass.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
But what kind of glass? Do you break?
Speaker 5 (42:03):
All kinds? I mean, I'll cruise thrift stores, garage sales,
goodwill whatever. If there's a shade of a color that
I like, I'll buy it, bring it home and take
a hammer and break it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
So you break it. So let's say you go garage
sailing and you bring this piece or these pieces of
glass home because you love the colors, and in your
mind's eye you can actually kind of imagine a shape
or design. You come home, you take your hammer and
you smash it up all these little pieces. Does it
(42:44):
matter about the size of the glass that you break or.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Well, it has to be okay, so when I break it,
it's tiny. It's like maybe a fourth inch when I'm
break it. But the does the size of the whatever
I'm buying matter? Yes, because it has to be enough
to do whatever project I have in my head. But
(43:14):
lately I've been using shattered glass on my original photography, right,
and then I resin over that with a I put
the glass on my original photography, and then a high
quality resin over that that's made specifically for artwork, and
(43:37):
then let it care and then I sell it.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Is it possible that when you go to these garage
sales and you buy these articles, that they could be
attached by a spirit?
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Well? Sure, sure, And you know sometimes sometimes I feel
guilty when I break something, but that's rare. But could
it be? Yes? But I don't. I have not since.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
That with.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Any of the glass that I've bought thus far. Now
I do have other things that I believe definitely hold
a spiritual energy or some kind of leftover energy.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I wonder how many people listening to us tonight have
actually gone to a garage sale, brought something home, and
then all of a sudden things start happening that never
happened before.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
We've had that happened with some of the cases that
we've investigated, where we were able to actually kind of pinpoint,
you know, where the hunting was coming from. And once well,
(45:09):
I know that some people believe in cleansing and some
people don't, but we do. We've been able to cleanse
articles of clothing even so that the haunting disappears, so
that it's gone. But most of the time, I mean,
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I've never had that issue with the glass that I buy.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
What is your advice for people who go to these
garage sales? Springtime is here, garage sales are going to
pop up everywhere. How can they tell or what should
they do in order to prevent them from buying something
that is attached, or if it is attached, they find
it when they get home that things are going a
little strange. What can they do?
Speaker 5 (46:00):
Okay, So, if you're at a garage sale and you're
about to buy something, I would say stop, and you know,
trust your instincts and trust what your feelings about the
object might be. A lot of people, you know, they
might pick something up and get a funny feeling that
they dismiss it. You know, they just think, oh, that's
(46:23):
that doesn't mean anything, or I'm just being silly or whatever,
And I would just say, you know, pay attention, pay
attention to what your instincts and your feelings are, and
if you feel like something might have an energy attached
to it, walk away from it. You know, you might
(46:44):
not want to buy that piece.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Is it your opinion that people disregard that gut feeling
that we all get and they just say, as.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
My imagination, Oh yeah, And I'm sorry to say that
a lot of men do that. You know, women are
a little more attuned to their intuition and they pay
a little more attention to it. But men in particular,
(47:13):
they might say, oh, I had a funny feeling, but
they don't necessarily pay attention to that.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Have you ever seen your husband when he's got Remember
the days when you go to the garage the gas
station they gave you maps, Yes, you remember those days? Now, yes,
I'm just going to prove what you just said about
the difference between men and women. All right. A man
will look at the map and he'll go, uh huh, yeah, okay,
(47:44):
uh huh yeah, got it. Yeah, I turn here, huh
and then tries to fold the map back up and
it never goes the way that it came from the
gas station. Whereas a lady will methodically, first of all,
open up the map. Then she'll use the glossary or
index on the back of the map to find out
where they're going, and then the methodically find out which
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the best strouts are and then lo and behold. You
know what happens next, She folds that map up perfectly.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
That's the truth. That's what happens.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, oh gosh, I know that from experience, and in
my opinion, a happy wife is a happy life, that's right.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
When when I was the master of ceremonies from my
mother and father's fifty twenty anniversary, God bless mom. She's
passed now, but dad is still around at ninety six
in Montreal. And my mother was a very cock sure person,
you know, she was always right. And I said to
(48:52):
my mother, mom, fifty years with dad, how did you
do it? And she said, sile, it's very simple. I
taught him too words And I said what were those words?
And she said, yes, dear. So was my dad's turn.
And I said to my dad. You know, Dad, fifty
(49:13):
years with mum. And my stomach is cringing at this point,
and I said, how did you do a Dad? He said,
like your mother's son. Two words. I said, yes, dear,
he said nope. Jack Daniels, oh God, yeah. In your opinion,
(49:39):
why do ghosts hang around bars and washrooms? There's a
lot of ghosts that hang around in washrooms. I never
knew that.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
I don't know why, but yes I do. I don't
know why. I couldn't tell. Well, I do know in
the case of Bobby Mackie's why that might be there
was a murder just outside the restroom at the time.
Now the restroom has changed. It's on the other side
of the building now. But there was a murder just
(50:11):
outside the restroom at Bobby mckie's.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
So do you want to hear a case. I'm sorry,
In that case, go under.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
In that case, I would understand why a spirit might
hang out in the.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Restroom Bob mckie's.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
Yeah, Bobby mckie's.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
You know what my brother in law's name is, is
it Bobby? It's Bob Mackey.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Oh, how interesting?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
How coincidental? Eh So I'll have to ask him if
he goes to the washroom a lot in bars and restaurants,
mind you. He'll say what do you want to know
that for? And I'll say, well, I was talking to
Denise ref in Georgia and we were talking about Bob
Mackie's and he said, well, that's my and he'll said, well,
that's my name. I said, that's why we're talking about it.
(51:01):
And at this restaurant, Bob Mackey's ghosts in the wash
them and he'll give me an odd look and he'll say, yep,
you're the strange guy, and he'll walk away. But at
least I'll get that part of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
Yeah, I get that sometimes too.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
We've got about a minute and a half here. What
information or what would you like to tell the ex
O Nation tonight? What would you like to share with them?
Speaker 5 (51:26):
Well, I guess the first thing I'd like to share
is that I have an absolutely stellar investigation team. I'm
very blessed that way. They all came to me differently
and I am blessed to know them, and I'm just
really proud of my team. So that's probably the best
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thing that I wanted to say.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
And again, tell our listeners how they can the name
of your book and where they can find it.
Speaker 5 (51:56):
It is called Ghosts and Legends of Charleston, South Carolina,
and you can find it on Amazon. I may have
a few copies less myself. If you want to contact me,
you can do that through the website SIPR Investigations dot com.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Is there going to be another book?
Speaker 5 (52:19):
You know? I maybe I have a couple other books
that I've been writing over the years, but one of
them has absolutely nothing to do with the paranormal, so
you lot more of a a nonfiction book.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well, I will share something with you that I hope
gives you the inspiration. A good friend of mine, Lieutenant
Colonel Kevin Randall. He's written I don't know how many
books on UFOs, but he also writes books about the
Vietnam War, and then he also does sci fi and
he's very Yeah, so don't put yourself into a cubicle.
(53:03):
I think that the world is much too big and
we need authors like yourself to get the word out there,
but I have to say so long for now. Denise.
I want to thank you ever so much for joining us,
and don't be a stranger. Come back and see us.
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Thanky, Thank you all.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Right, Denise, ex oon nation. Denise Roth is my special
guest this hour. We're just going to change and go
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x Onation. We're going to be talking about investigation, investigating
claims of ghosts and hauntings this hour. Denise Roth is
our special guest, and Denise has always had an affinity
for all things paranormal. She is the founder of the
Southwest Southeastern Institute of Paranormal Research. She has conducted hundreds
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of paranormal investigations over more than two decades. She has
also collected numerous haunted objects over the years. She and
her husband Danny live near the notoriously haunted Lake Lanier.
Joining me now is Denny's Rolf and Denise. Welcome to
the exone.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Hi there, thank you so tell us a.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Little bit more about yourself and how you got found yourself,
you know, getting into the world of the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Oh well, I lost my mom in nineteen ninety eight,
and up until that time, I believe when you die,
you go to heaven or hell, and that's that right.
So our mother passed away, and at the time, my
sister had a bed in breakfast, and to make a
(03:45):
long story short, the police called and said that all
the lights were on and all the doors were open
at the end. We were three doors down at my
sister's house, and so all of us walked up to
the end and the girls went to the back, myself,
my sister, my sister in law, while the men went
(04:09):
into the house. We were sure that somebody was going
to run out the back door. Somebody had been hiding
in the building. Well, my mother passed away in a
little house behind the end, and she used to go
down this little trail every morning and have breakfast with
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my sister before they my mother went to work. So
we're back there at the back door and we're watching
and my mother comes up that trail and goes into
the B and B, and my brother was inside the
(04:51):
B and B and saw her come into the back
door and disappear. So my sister looked at me and
she said that was Mom and I said, yeah, yeah.
What So from that point on, and that was in
nineteen ninety eight, I started to try to find if
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there were other people having similar experiences, and of course
there are and there were, and I've been doing it
ever since.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
What was like when you realized that who you were
seeing was your mod?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
It kind of I thought what Initially I thought I
was the only one that saw her, And of course
I thought, you know, and this is split second going
through my brain like this, and I thought, wow, I'm
really missing her and you know, gosh, you know, I
must be remembering her walking that path. But when my
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sister said that was Mom, I just kind of I
was like, wow, what did we just see him? Why
did we see her?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And what what does this mean? And all of that.
So it was a journey. It's still a journey for me,
and I just keep going.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Was that the first and last time you saw your mom?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Over the years, when there's some stress in our household,
whether you know, whatever happens in normal life. My mother
was an avid smoker. She smoked three packs of cigarette
a day. So whenever we're having a really difficult situation
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my mother, I sense her and I smell cigarette smoke,
and then I know she's around. But she does the
same thing with my brother and my sister and their
households is well, so I know that she's still kind
of looking after us and hanging around.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You know, yes, So tell me what has been your
most intense experience that you've had so far as a
paranormal investigator.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Oh my goodness. Okay, So, we had investigated a private
residence and there was a lot of negativity at the residence,
and so I pulled the team because at that time,
we didn't have a demonologist or you know, anyone on
(07:41):
our team that specialized in handling these negative, very negative
kind of situations and haunting. So I pulled my team
and referred the client to a demonologist that I knew
at the time, and he went out to the residence,
(08:06):
met with the homeowner, and he called me and he said, Denise,
don't have any more contact with this girl because this
demon is very strong and if you continue to have
contact with her, you may be affected. So I didn't,
(08:30):
you know, I wouldn't answer the phone when she called.
But one time she called, and the very first voicemail
message that she left was just kind of her. It
was like a butt dial, you know, where I could
hear her and her boyfriend talking. The second one was
(08:56):
they had started to argue, so they were arguing. The
third voicemail though, we had been to another residence, a
different residents altogether, and I had some what I thought
might be EVPs and they were on my desktop computer
(09:19):
at home. I had not shared them with anyone. I
hadn't sent them out to the team yet because I
was just compiling them and I wanted to listen to
them again. So they were on my desktop computer at home.
But the voicemail from this woman from her phone number
(09:40):
were my EVPs from my desktop playing back to me
in the voicemail, and that completely freaked me out. So
that was probably the most intense.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I could imagine that. Yeah, Wow, did the person did
the demonologist thought your contact? Was he able to finally
eradicate the demon that was bothering this family? He was?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
He was, He was able, And as far as I know,
he's still in contact, you know, making sure that she's
still doing well.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
A lot of people, A lot of people seem to
be reporting an increase in demonic intervention. Right, is there
any reason or rhyme to why this is happening now
in society as to why it wasn't doing the same
thing ten fifteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I don't know. I think that maybe maybe we're just
now recognizing it. I don't know that it's any actually
anymore or less. And the other thing is, I think
that people are more apt to reach out for help
when they're experiencing these things, So I don't know that
it's any more or less than it all been.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
How many years have you and your team been together?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I started the team in two thousand and eight, so
I am terrible at maths, but I'm starting in two
thousand eight.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It's okay. How many members of it are they in
your team?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
There are currently twelve?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Currently twelve. And when you go out to do an investigation,
before you actually go to the residence or to the
area or the establishment, is there a an intake sheet
that you people will do?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
An intake sheet? Well? Do you mean, like, do you
ask the people?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Do you ask the people questions about the paranormal event
before you actually go there, I do.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I interview. I'm typically the point of contact, okay, So
I have honestly about one hundred questions that I asked before,
and because I want to know that what you're experiencing
is worth our team coming out, right, so.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I do.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Talk to them and find out what's going on. Now.
I don't share any of that information with my team
before we go out, and they don't discuss what they
might be sensing or feeling during the investigation with each other.
But at the end of the night, it's really interesting
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to see, you know, what they were picking up and
a lot of times it's the same thing, and a
lot of times it's you know, dead on.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Sure, Denise, we're going to have to take our first break.
Please done, Bally, thanks very much for joining us. Are
you still there, Denise?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
All right. If you'd like to get more information about
Denise Ander team, visit sip R s pi R Investigations
dot com. This is the x Zone. I am Rob mcculloll.
We're coming to you on the xzon Broadcast Network and
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And Denise and I return after the short break. So
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Denise Roth is my special guest ex Oon Nation. We're
talking about investigating claims of the ghosts and hauntings here
this hour, here in the X Zone. Denise, what, in
your opinion is a ghost?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think a ghost is energy that is left after
a person passes away. I think that it can be
interactive and intelligent, or it can be revidual energy.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Okay, So when you go to these locations that are haunted,
why does the ghost stick around? Like if I was
able to leave a place where I've been haunting for
I don't know how long, why would they stay? Why
don't they just leave and go to the light.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
You know, that's a really good question. I don't have
the answer. I wish I knew the answer, but you know,
I've been doing this a long time now and I
don't have a clear oh this is why answer. I
know that a lot of investigators my things that they do,
but I don't. I would imagine there's as many reasons
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to stay as there are to leave.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
When you and your crew and your team, I should say,
have established through the intake information that you've taken that yes,
we're going to bring the team over to this location,
how do you prepare yourselves for the investigation? And once
you arrive at the location, how do you start the investigation?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Okay, so as far as preparing ourselves, I myself, I pray.
I'm you know, I grew up in a well Baptist household,
but my father was Catholic, So I myself pray. But
the team has a different religious beliefs and different beliefs
(16:15):
on how to prepare themselves. So that's how we prepare. Now,
once we get to the location, we start by getting
some base readings temperature and EMF. We know that for
sure man made items can affect EMF meters, right, so
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we want to look for any hot spots at the
location before we start investigating.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
What kind of equipment do you use?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Oh my goodness, Okay, the team has a lot of
different equipment, a lot of the newer equipment, the rim
pods and the oh, I forget what they're called. I myself,
I don't use much equipment. I just I think that
(17:12):
what you need most is your brain. I think that
that's you know. I do take a notepad in a pen.
But my team has a lot of the equipment that
you can find basically everywhere. And I do use a
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K two meter, but I'm very skeptical about the K
two's just because, like I said, so many man made
things can affect them. Those and rim pods and a
lot of the other equipment can be affected even by
your cell phone. If you get a message on a
cell phone, it can affect those things. So I don't
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have a lot of faith. But what I do find
interesting is when we can have a two way kind
of conversation using the equipment, using rim pods or the
K two meters or the whatever the yes knows and
the some of the other equipment.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Kind of what kind of conversation would you have with
the spirit on the other side, What kind of questions
would you ask them?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Well, a lot of times we don't ask questions. A
lot of times we just sit quietly and see if
we have anything. But sure we ask you know what,
the typical what's your name, what you're is it? You know,
why are you here? Things like that. We've had a
(18:54):
lot of interesting EVPs where we do get direct answers
to questions, but we've also had our team members' names
called and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So how would the spirits know the names of your team?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
That's a really good question. Again, I don't Well, when
we come in, we do introduce ourselves to whatever might
be there, So I guess that's how.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Have you ever had a situation where you and your
team go into this location and you have done your
due diligence, you have done everything to the very best
of your ability. At the end of the night or
the end of the investigation, you and your team have
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found nothing. Oh sure, How does that? How does the
person who's called you on the phone, who believes they
have a problem, how do they how do they react
to the Well, no, we checked and there's nothing here.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Some people.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Are really upset about it. They don't understand why we
couldn't find something, and of course we get blamed sometimes
because people are upset, but we're not there to you know,
prove or dis well, that's that's not true. It's a
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it's a fine line between the research, doing the research
and making people happy. That's one big reason why we
don't take any payment for what we do. We don't
want to be in a position where we have to
make somebody happy. I mean, it's either there or it isn't.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But you're offering these people, uh, the opportunity to have
an outsider come in who's thinking and looking outside of
the box, to come into to try and establish whether
or not something is there or not, and to do
it for free, you know, hats off to you.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Well, I mean the other side of that, we don't
ever just walk away from a client and dump them.
We don't ever just go, oh, there's nothing here, Oh,
well see you right. You know, we try to counsel
them and we may come back on different occasions and
try to investigate again. You know, we never just walk
(21:32):
away from a client and say, you know, well that's it.
We just don't do that.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
How about when a client tells you listen, Denise I'm
telling you the other day, I walked into the kitchen
and there was a coup levitating. And then later on
that day, I was sitting in the in the in
the living room watching TV and I saw a glass
move right across the table in front of me. How
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do you try and and justify the actions that the
client saw when you and your team, who was well experienced,
found nothing, well, we don't.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
You know, I'm not going to say no, that didn't happen,
and you know it very well may have happened, but
we weren't there to see it. So when I generally
tell people when that, well, first of all, if things
are moving, I want to know if you have a
teenage child in your home, you know, I want to
(22:42):
know if there's some telepathy going on that or telekineseis
some point.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So what you're looking is at the poltergeist aspect, right, okay, right?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
So but again we don't just walk away. I usually
tell them to set up some video camera and see
if they can't catch something. You know, when we're not there.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Has there ever been an instance where you and your
team came across something that you just totally didn't expect
and the goosebumps were there, and the hair on the
back of the neck went up.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Oh sure, yes, boy. We were at Bobby Mackie's investigating
Bobby Mackie's, and there's a lot of misinformation about Bobby
Mackie's out there, but it was historically a house and
(23:41):
then turned into a couple other things, and eventually the
the bar. But we were at Bobby Mackie's and heard
audibly a voice just out of nowhere. Couldn't make out
what it's said, but it sure raised some goosebumps, you know.
(24:07):
A couple a couple of the team members wanted to
go kind of hide in the corner, not be anywhere
near where the voice was heard. So there, you know.
And then full body apparitions when we see them. Of course,
I used to jump back and be a little afraid,
(24:28):
but at this point I've seen so many that I
it doesn't affect me anymore, but it does affect some others.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
This Bobby and Mackiw's place that you were talking about,
you said it had you know, there were two. There
was a questionable reputation. Why was that, Well, it's not.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's just that the rumor out there is that it
was a flaughterhouse. That was never a flaughter house. Okay,
you know, there's just information misinformation about the building itself.
You know, it was still a very interesting investigation historically,
(25:13):
it's really interesting and cool. There was a jail in
the basement and old jail. It did have ties at
that time to the mafia. And when at first when
it very first opened, it was very successful, and the
mafia came in and said, you know, we want to
buy your bar. And you don't really say no to
(25:36):
the mafia, you know, so they sold it and there
were some shady things that went down because of that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Wow, But.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You know, it was it was just never a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So all right, Denise, please stand by you and I
have to take our break. At the bottom of the hour.
A next ohnation. Denise Roth is our very special guest
this hour, and if you'd like to contact Denise, if
you'd like to visit her website, her website is SI
p R Investigations dot com. And Denise and I will
be back on the other side of this very short
(26:11):
break as the xone continues with Here's truly Rob McConnell
from our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catharine's Ontario, Canada,
the X Zone Broadcast Network and on your hometown radio,
Classic twelf twenty streaming at Classic twelve twenty dot ca A.
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Speaker 3 (27:54):
And welcome back. Denis Roth is our special guest this hour,
and we're talking about ghost hauntings things. Is that called
bump in the night And Denise, I'm very interested about
a bit of information that you sent us about Lake Lanier.
Lake Lanier, Okay, that's you see, that's the French in
me Lanier.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Right er, Okay, that's the southern and me.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, So that that means between you and I we
make a great team.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
That's right there.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
We go tell me a about Lake Lanier.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Okay, So Lake Lanier is a man made lake made
from dam and it's one of the largest lakes in
the country from what I understand. But lately there's been
a lot of attention on the lake because there was
(28:53):
a movie that came out about the lake that highlighted
it being and there's a lot of local lore of
course about the lake being haunted. One of the huge misconceptions.
So they say that there are burials under the lake,
(29:15):
that a lot of the graves were never moved from
by the Army Corps of Engineers who built the lake. However,
that's there may be some burials under the lake, but
they weren't marked burials, and they weren't discovered before the lake,
(29:37):
before the land was flooded. If anything, I would think
that there would be Native American burials possibly under the lake.
We live in a place where we know the Cherokee
Nation was very active here, and of course there was
the Trail of Tears that went through here, specifically just
(30:00):
north of where I live, north of Atlanta. So if anything,
I would think Native American burials. But anyway, one of
the things that is out there is that Lake Laniers
haunted by the town of Oscarville, that is under the water.
(30:26):
The town of Oscarville was in a town. Oscarville was
actually a post office. The patent for the post office
I believe was eighteen eighty four by a man named
Oscar I want to say Monroe. I'm not sure that's right. However,
(30:50):
when he sent in the patent for the post office,
he was the ward of the patent and he named
his post office Oscarville. The post office was no more
than a little piece of counter in a general store.
It was a little piece of countertop where you could
(31:11):
receive and drop off your mail. Oscarville. The area where
the post office was is not under the lake. It's
still above the lake. And a lot of people have
a misconception that Oscarville was under the water, and that
(31:31):
because of an incident that happened here in nineteen twelve,
which was, you know, some twenty years twenty something years
after oscar applied for the patent for the post office,
there was an incident involving a white woman who was
attack and murdered by a black man, and so there
(31:58):
was a lot of race upset here in nineteen twelve
where I live in the precise county, Georgia. So a
lot of people use Oscarville and say that the lake
is haunted and that it's haunted specifically because of all
the racial tension that was here in nineteen twelve. And
(32:23):
those two things are completely they just don't have anything
to do with each other. I mean, the post office
was the post office, and everything that happened with the
incident did happened. And you know, we can't go back
in time in a time machine and fix everything, but
(32:45):
it would be nice if folks could just get the
facts straight.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, it seems that when there's something like that that
people love to dramatize it and then use it to
their own advantage. True, the truth is something that is
very scarce when it comes to the power of normal
because people love to embellish their encounters, or even if
there was no encounter, they love to embellish it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
True, it's very true.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Something that I've learned over the many years of doing
this show, Denise, is that paranormal investigators in research, like
yourself are great historians.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
That's probably what I truly love as well as you know,
going out and investigating. It's the historic it's the historic
stuff that I'm always drawn to and always interested in.
(33:52):
You know, I want to know all about what the
building was. You know, were there means of ghosts and
paranormal hauntings way before now? Like you know, one hundred
years ago, were people saying the place was haunted? You know,
things like that. I want to know. I want to
(34:13):
know about the past.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Tell me about your book.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Oh, my book is Ghosts and Legends of Charleston, South Carolina.
And what I did was I looked up how the
ghost story began and did the research to try and
figure out, you know, how it how it blossomed from
(34:40):
A to b. You know, how did this story become
a legend, so to speak. So a lot of it,
the history was much more interesting than the actual ghost story.
But I write about the history and how the ghost
(35:01):
stories began, and that's it. It's all in my books there.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Now, what is the name of your book again.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Ghosts and Legends of Charleston, South Carolina?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And is it available on Amazon dot com?
Speaker 5 (35:17):
It is? It is available on Amazon?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What was it your most favorite story or your most
captivating experience that you wrote in your book.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Oh, my goodness, I guess my favorite story was probably
the first one that I researched. I had never been
to Charleston before I wrote my book, and I wanted
to go, of course, And when I got there, I
(35:52):
was alone. It was I had been to Savannah to
a paranormal conference and then I went alone by myself
and went to Charleston. It's only about an hour and
a half from Savannah. So I walked into this I
was hungry and I walked into this bar. I wanted
(36:12):
some nachos.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, So I walked into this bar and it had
these gorgeous stained glass windows in the bar, and I
start looking around and realized that I'm sitting in what
used to be a church. So I asked the server,
you know, I said, what's what's the story about this place?
(36:39):
What's going on? And he just started telling me how
it used to be a sailor chapel, and that you know,
it was haunted. There was a lady in blue that
was always seen in the restroom, and he just launched
into all the these stories about the bar, and so
(37:05):
I did the research found out it did indeed used
to be a sailor's chapel and non denominational chapel where
sailors could come in and praise or whatever. But the
(37:25):
ghost story about the lady started way before that, and
it was just interesting to me. That was one of
those places where I thought the history of the chapel
was much more interesting. The chapel used to be, like,
(37:46):
what was it about two hundred yards from where it
stands now, but the water rose, and as the water rose,
it flooded the chapel, so they moved it. And you know,
it was just a lot of interesting stuff to me,
and that was one of my favorite stories.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
What does your family think of the ghost and paranormal
investigating that you do, I must I would imagine that
they're very proud of you as an author.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
They are proud of me as an author. My sister
is married to a Southern Baptist pastor. Yeah, so there's
a lot of interesting conversations when we all get together.
She is very proud. She doesn't necessarily believe what I believe.
(38:43):
Even after seeing our mother, she has a little different opinion.
So my daughter doesn't want she does believe but she
doesn't want anything to do with it. I think it
scared her a little bit. Right, she's thirty six now,
so you would think it wouldn't but it still scares
(39:04):
her a little bit. So and my husband tolerates it.
My husband has tolerated me for we've been married twenty
eight years.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
God bless us. Does he ever go on to investigations
with you?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I invite him all the time, but he's like, no,
that's okay.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You and I have to take our final break for
this hour. Denise. It's really nice talking to you. We've
been talking with Denise about the paranormal hauntings. We talked
a little bit about demonology. But when we come back,
I talk to Denise about stained glass artistry. And she's
also the vice president of the Historical Let Me See
(39:52):
Society of Coming Forsyth County, Georgia. Wow, let's talk more
about these great topics the xcell. I'm Rob McConnell, Denise
and I will be back on the other side of
this break. So whatever you do, don't go away. And
you're listening to us on your hometown radio, The X
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And that's you and let Me See Now and Forever
by Anne Murray. Wow, that's been a long time ago,
but it was still a great song and that covers
my Canadian content for this hour. Dennise Truff is our
special guest, and Denise, I understand that you're into glass
shattered glass artistry. Tell me about that. That sounds fast.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
It's fun because I get to break things, you know,
I get to take a hammer and go break glass.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
But what kind of glass? Do you break?
Speaker 5 (42:03):
All kinds? I mean, I'll cruise thrift stores, garage sales,
goodwill whatever. If there's a shade of a color that
I like, I'll buy it, bring it home and take
a hammer and break it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
So you break it. So let's say you go garage
sailing and you bring this piece or these pieces of
glass home because you love the colors, and in your
mind's eye you can actually kind of imagine a shape
or design. You come home, you take your hammer and
you smash it up all these little pieces. Does it
(42:44):
matter about the size of the glass that you break or.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Well, it has to be okay, so when I break it,
it's tiny. It's like maybe a fourth inch when I'm
break it. But the does the size of the whatever
I'm buying matter? Yes, because it has to be enough
to do whatever project I have in my head. But
(43:14):
lately I've been using shattered glass on my original photography, right,
and then I resin over that with a I put
the glass on my original photography, and then a high
quality resin over that that's made specifically for artwork, and
(43:37):
then let it care and then I sell it.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Is it possible that when you go to these garage
sales and you buy these articles, that they could be
attached by a spirit?
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Well? Sure, sure, And you know sometimes sometimes I feel
guilty when I break something, but that's rare. But could
it be? Yes? But I don't. I have not since.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
That with.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Any of the glass that I've bought thus far. Now
I do have other things that I believe definitely hold
a spiritual energy or some kind of leftover energy.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I wonder how many people listening to us tonight have
actually gone to a garage sale, brought something home, and
then all of a sudden things start happening that never
happened before.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
We've had that happened with some of the cases that
we've investigated, where we were able to actually kind of pinpoint,
you know, where the hunting was coming from. And once well,
(45:09):
I know that some people believe in cleansing and some
people don't, but we do. We've been able to cleanse
articles of clothing even so that the haunting disappears, so
that it's gone. But most of the time, I mean,
(45:33):
I've never had that issue with the glass that I buy.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
What is your advice for people who go to these
garage sales? Springtime is here, garage sales are going to
pop up everywhere. How can they tell or what should
they do in order to prevent them from buying something
that is attached, or if it is attached, they find
it when they get home that things are going a
little strange. What can they do?
Speaker 5 (46:00):
Okay, So, if you're at a garage sale and you're
about to buy something, I would say stop, and you know,
trust your instincts and trust what your feelings about the
object might be. A lot of people, you know, they
might pick something up and get a funny feeling that
they dismiss it. You know, they just think, oh, that's
(46:23):
that doesn't mean anything, or I'm just being silly or whatever,
And I would just say, you know, pay attention, pay
attention to what your instincts and your feelings are, and
if you feel like something might have an energy attached
to it, walk away from it. You know, you might
(46:44):
not want to buy that piece.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Is it your opinion that people disregard that gut feeling
that we all get and they just say, as.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
My imagination, Oh yeah, And I'm sorry to say that
a lot of men do that. You know, women are
a little more attuned to their intuition and they pay
a little more attention to it. But men in particular,
(47:13):
they might say, oh, I had a funny feeling, but
they don't necessarily pay attention to that.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Have you ever seen your husband when he's got Remember
the days when you go to the garage the gas
station they gave you maps, Yes, you remember those days? Now, yes,
I'm just going to prove what you just said about
the difference between men and women. All right. A man
will look at the map and he'll go, uh huh, yeah, okay,
(47:44):
uh huh yeah, got it. Yeah, I turn here, huh
and then tries to fold the map back up and
it never goes the way that it came from the
gas station. Whereas a lady will methodically, first of all,
open up the map. Then she'll use the glossary or
index on the back of the map to find out
where they're going, and then the methodically find out which
(48:08):
the best strouts are and then lo and behold. You
know what happens next, She folds that map up perfectly.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
That's the truth. That's what happens.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, oh gosh, I know that from experience, and in
my opinion, a happy wife is a happy life, that's right.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
When when I was the master of ceremonies from my
mother and father's fifty twenty anniversary, God bless mom. She's
passed now, but dad is still around at ninety six
in Montreal. And my mother was a very cock sure person,
you know, she was always right. And I said to
(48:52):
my mother, mom, fifty years with dad, how did you
do it? And she said, sile, it's very simple. I
taught him too words And I said what were those words?
And she said, yes, dear. So was my dad's turn.
And I said to my dad. You know, Dad, fifty
(49:13):
years with mum. And my stomach is cringing at this point,
and I said, how did you do a Dad? He said,
like your mother's son. Two words. I said, yes, dear,
he said nope. Jack Daniels, oh God, yeah. In your opinion,
(49:39):
why do ghosts hang around bars and washrooms? There's a
lot of ghosts that hang around in washrooms. I never
knew that.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
I don't know why, but yes I do. I don't
know why. I couldn't tell. Well, I do know in
the case of Bobby Mackie's why that might be there
was a murder just outside the restroom at the time.
Now the restroom has changed. It's on the other side
of the building now. But there was a murder just
(50:11):
outside the restroom at Bobby mckie's.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
So do you want to hear a case. I'm sorry,
In that case, go under.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
In that case, I would understand why a spirit might
hang out in the.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Restroom Bob mckie's.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
Yeah, Bobby mckie's.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
You know what my brother in law's name is, is
it Bobby? It's Bob Mackey.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Oh, how interesting?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
How coincidental? Eh So I'll have to ask him if
he goes to the washroom a lot in bars and restaurants,
mind you. He'll say what do you want to know
that for? And I'll say, well, I was talking to
Denise ref in Georgia and we were talking about Bob
Mackie's and he said, well, that's my and he'll said, well,
that's my name. I said, that's why we're talking about it.
(51:01):
And at this restaurant, Bob Mackey's ghosts in the wash
them and he'll give me an odd look and he'll say, yep,
you're the strange guy, and he'll walk away. But at
least I'll get that part of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
Yeah, I get that sometimes too.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
We've got about a minute and a half here. What
information or what would you like to tell the ex
O Nation tonight? What would you like to share with them?
Speaker 5 (51:26):
Well, I guess the first thing I'd like to share
is that I have an absolutely stellar investigation team. I'm
very blessed that way. They all came to me differently
and I am blessed to know them, and I'm just
really proud of my team. So that's probably the best
(51:48):
thing that I wanted to say.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
And again, tell our listeners how they can the name
of your book and where they can find it.
Speaker 5 (51:56):
It is called Ghosts and Legends of Charleston, South Carolina,
and you can find it on Amazon. I may have
a few copies less myself. If you want to contact me,
you can do that through the website SIPR Investigations dot com.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Is there going to be another book?
Speaker 5 (52:19):
You know? I maybe I have a couple other books
that I've been writing over the years, but one of
them has absolutely nothing to do with the paranormal, so
you lot more of a a nonfiction book.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well, I will share something with you that I hope
gives you the inspiration. A good friend of mine, Lieutenant
Colonel Kevin Randall. He's written I don't know how many
books on UFOs, but he also writes books about the
Vietnam War, and then he also does sci fi and
he's very Yeah, so don't put yourself into a cubicle.
(53:03):
I think that the world is much too big and
we need authors like yourself to get the word out there,
but I have to say so long for now. Denise.
I want to thank you ever so much for joining us,
and don't be a stranger. Come back and see us.
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