September 13, 2025 • 42 mins
Donald B. Carroll spent his career working in Fire & Rescue, as a district chief, academy instructor, and paramedic. During those 30 years, he raised a family and pursued the meaning of life through extended study into the Cayce readings and other spiritual, scientific, and philosophical materials. Today, Carroll is a regular speaker and writer of metaphysical topics from Cayce to the Kundalini. He spent 10 years researching and writing his latest work, Sacred Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism. Carroll is also an international tour leader for the nonprofit Association for Research and Enlightenment, visiting sites of a spiritual nature across the globe. – www.donaldbcarroll.com
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He spent his You're working in fire and rescue as
a district chief Academy instructor and paramedic. Now during those
thirty years, he raised a family and pursued the meaning
of life through extended study into the Edgar Casey readings
and other spiritual, scientific and philosophical materials. He spent ten
years researching and writing this new book, Sacred Geometry and
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Spiritual Symbolism, The Blueprint for Creation, which was published by
Fourth Dimension Press and imprint of AR Press. Today, Donald
is a regular speaker and writer of metaphysical topics from
Casey to Kundalini. He is also an international tour leader
for nonprofit Association for Research and Enlightenment, visiting sites of
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spiritual nature across the world. He will be leading a
tour to sacred and mystical sites in England in September
of twenty sixteen, and you can learn all about these
tours at Edgar Casey dot org or by visit Donald's
website Donaldbcarrol dot com and Donald B. Carroll Welcome to
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the X Zone.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, Rob, thank you for inviting me. You're very punk
kind and please call me don all right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Don tell me you know, I've got a lot of
respect for the fire and rescue people. They do a
fantastic job. So thank you for your service first of all,
But what was it that made or guided you to
write about sacred geometry? Isn't that a little bit off
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base for fire and rescue people?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, fire and rescue, you're with what you deal with
in emergencies. You're pretty pragmatic. But when you spend a
career of about thirty three years and it and as
we provided the paramedics, you deal with a lot of
life and death and all the questions that come through
with that. And I would say it's kind of not
only been my journey even earlier than that, and that
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just I'll extended. I think it's humanity's journey about understanding
that you know, we are more than you know what
our bodies here are consciousness and our spirituality goes much further.
So well, during that time, I know, pursued it, and
then as I retire, it gave me an opportunity to
pursue it, and even as I was doing it then
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in much more detail.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Bringing Heaven and Earth together in ourselves. Humanity's journey? What
does this mean?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
As I said, I see it as humanity these journey
the the We've heard the term before about bringing heaven
and Earth together. And really, if you look at spiritual
traditions around the world, it's really what they're striving for.
If you look at whether sacred sites or the concepts
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in the Bible of other places where you know they'd
go to worship the high places because that's where heaven
and earth came together, the axis Mundi's that was symbolic
of raising that higher consciousness, that spirituality within ourselves to
become in Western tradition would be you might say Western
Christian tradition, become christ Like would be the term. In
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Eastern traditions. In Hindu and Buddhist traditions, it become a
Bodhisata enlightened one on earth, you know, to bring that
Heaven and Earth together while we're here and help others
and proceed evolve on our own path.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You deal with a sacred geometry and spiritualism symbolism. Well,
for our listeners who may be hearing about sacred geometry
for the very first time, how would you describe it?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it's yeah, a lot of people when they first
time they hear that, Okay, what's sacred about geometry and
what it is? It's the geometry. Uh, you might say
a spiritual symbolism, sacred geometry really is that?
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H Donald B. Carol is our special guest. This our exhonation.
We're talking about Donald's new book. It's a titled Sacred
Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism, The Blueprint for for Creation. Www
dot Donald Bcarroll dot com is his website. That's d
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O N A L D B C A R R
O L L dot com. So, Donald, how would we
describe sacred geometry.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's sacred geometry is just a term for UH and
you find it in many many spiritual symbolisms of many
many cultures and religions. It's it's universal patterns that you
you we find throughout our reality and quite often is
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seen in sacred architecture or what's considered sacred art. It's
the you know, the basic belief that you know there
are these universal patterns in mathematics and geometry, and harmonics
and music, light and cosmology, and these they reflect each other.
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It's kind of like the hermetic term of as above
so below. They not only reflect each other in the
in the geometries of the universe, but in the geometry
and patterns of ourselves. And more than a reflection, it
shows a unity in oneness. I mentioned sacred architecture. Probably
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one of the most simplest ones to look at along
that line of that symbols is you go to the
Gothic cathedrals that you find in Europe during that period.
They're always made in the form of a cross, you know,
for the representation. So you know, that's just one example.
There are many, many more, but that's the basics basics
of sacred geometry.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How does sound and the creation of the universe play
into this symbolism.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, yeah, it's actually I find that very fascinating in
that because if you first looking at sound in almost
all your traditions, how the universe was created and what
we have today, it was created the earth, et cetera.
By spiritual traditions, is God spoke, you know, God breathed
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across the waters. Of Eastern traditions, the om the sacred
word of creation. And so you know, actually even before
light there was sound. Let there be lights, and so
it was sound. And what's fascinating with that is science
is now coming out from NASA work and the CERN
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Institute and the actual the Plank Space Spacecraft project, is
that they're coming to the conclusion now that the universe,
what we have today, the universe was created from sound.
So fascinatingly, in recent years, sciences now confirming what spiritual traditions,
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whether Eastern or Western, have been saying for thousands of years.
So we have that sound creating from that sound, the
big bang, so to speak, creating matter from that. Science
confirming that in these spiritual traditions have been saying that.
And when you look at that, and as they describe it,
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it's kind of like ripples across the lake. If you
threw a bunch of pebbles into a lake or a pond,
and you get all these circular ribbons going out in
all ways and crisscrossing each other and creating spiritually these
patterns which would be from that, like the Vesica pisces,
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very simple example, which is just two overlapping circles and
where they overlap creates that almond shape, and Italian it's
called the mendorla, but it creates that almond shape and
well in the fifteen fourteen and even actually back to
the eleven hundreds, if you look in Christianity in that
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petal almen shape, they would actually use that, and only
two individuals were allowed to be put inside that shape
because it represented in sacred geometry, the creative energy, the
creative womb, goddess energy, so to speak. But the two
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people that were allowed in the Christian tradition to put
in there was Jesus and his mother Mary, which is
interesting because you know Jesus, the Christ and the tradition
was the son of man and son of God, so
he brought heaven and earth together. And Mary brought God
birth God onto earth. So she was another channel, so
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to speak, of bringing heaven and earth together. And again
here is these kind of ripples that are depicted. It's
a very elegant way of what would be depicted the
same way in science. And then it's Vesica. Pisces is
also known as a form generator. Very briefly, from those
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two overlapping circles, simply with a straight edge and a pencil,
you can create all the polygons, which is the technical
math term, from the triangle to the square, pentagon, heptagon, septagon,
so almost waved to particle in the science aspect of it,
in which what science is saying the universe being created
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from sound into matter to the same thing spiritual traditions.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Say so, could we say that the crop circles that
are cropping up all over the place could be modern
day sacred geometry or symbols.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I am not that familiar with crop circles, but
the ones I've seen of them, if you see most
of them, a lot of them replicate what we see
in the spiritual and sacred geometry traditions, the flower of life,
the Shri Rantra, the six pointed star, and all of
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those things that, yes, they are very similar to that.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
What evidence is there for the idea, well for your
idea when it comes to sacred geometry and spiritual symbolism.
When we look at megalithic structures such as the Great Pyramid,
the Maya chitsnitz In, the site stone hinges, or even
ancient America's Pueblin culture, how do we explain or what
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evidence is there that it goes a lot further than
ancient civilizations trying to rationalize the world that they live in.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well, and what I've found is really fascinating at these
sites that you mentioned, and what I've found at those
sites is all those sites are known now you know,
science is kind of catching up now that we have
the computer power and what have you. That these sites
were the symbolic and they're all initiation sites were symbolic
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representations of joining Heaven and Earth together chits and eats.
As an example, is known that at the equinox you
get that the created by light, a serpent going down
the staircase, a serpent of light connecting to the head
of the serpent head and stone at the base and
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you know up to the top. If you go on
YouTube or something, you can google that and it's do
a time lapse. It's incredible, you see that. So it
was a representation of physically that initiation site bringing Heaven
and Earth together and to raise that within yourself. Stone
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Hinges is known specifically as an initiation site, uh and
known as you know, all these sites have somewhere another
you know, astronom of astronomy connections, whether lunar, solar, stellar
of some sort they know. You know, Gerald Hawkins wrote
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a great book and showed that, you know, how the
equinoxes and solstices and lunar phases are lined up in stonehenge.
We've i mentioned the ones that Chitsanita, how they line
the sun up. You have similar things they've found with
the with the Great Pyramid and again all symbolic sites
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to connect having an art together and its initiation sites
and the hopey or not the hope of the ancestral
Pueblins like in Shaco Canyon were known, I mean the
archaeologists actually say there, like Pueblo Benito, one of the
great houses was the Axis mundi, which means it's the
Latin term of bringing heaven and Earth together. That was
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their Axis Mundi. These were all sites to tie that.
Actually a perfect example is Machu Pichu in Peru. At
the top of Machu Pichu, at the temple, there is
an altar kind of bedrock carved stone, which is known
as the hitching posts of the Sun because at the
solstices it lines up, creates no shadow, and so they
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called it the hitching to tie the Sun to the earth,
to bring heaven and Earth together. They were representing this
and these sites of temples and altars for this initiation
of bringing that higher self. As I said, kind of
in the Old Testament where it writes about going to
the high places in order to worship, because that's when
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that was the closest to bringing heaven and earth together.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
How do we explain so many different cultures and so
many different parts of the world have this fascination with
the sun the solstice. What's the what's the reasoning behind
this and why the significance?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well, yeah, the sun, the moon and many of them,
you know, specific stars Egypt and stuff, but yeah, with
the sun, you know, particularly and of course you know
it was so important for the agriculture and food. But
you know, so it was very important as into life
giving and you know again the connecting to the heavens. Interestingly,
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you know enough in that aspect. It's actually in many
places we wouldn't expect, you know. The births of Jesus
is December twenty fifth, very close to the winter solstice.
And the interesting part, John the Baptist, who was my
Bible related is celebrate his birthday celebrated June twenty fourth,
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the other solstice, and which means when the sun still
still so even in those places we have those connections.
And again it has not only the importance of giving
life on earth, but the connection to the heavens and
to life and to a much higher life, a spiritual life,
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a heavenly life.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Very interesting topic, Don, you and I have to take
our newsbreak at the bottom of the hour. Please stand by. Explanation.
Donald B. Carroll is our very special guest this hour.
Interesting Sacred geometry is the topic of the hour here
in the X Zone. Don is the author of Sacred
Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism, The Blueprint for Creation. Two websites. Explanation.
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Speaker 2 (19:55):
Welcome back, xon Nation. My guest of this hour. Very interesting, gentlemen.
His name is Donald B. Carroll. He spent his career
in fire and rescue as a district chief, academy instructor
in paramedic, and during those thirty years he raised a
family and pursued the meaning of life through extended study
into the Edgar Casey readings and other spiritual, scientific and
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philosophical materials. He's the author of Sacred Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism,
The Blueprint for Creation, a couple of websites www dot
Edgar Casey dot org and Don's website at Donaldbcarroll dot com.
So would you say, then, Donald, that sacred geometry has
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actually confirmed the existence of Christ?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Interesting question, because that's one of those Biblical archaeology versus
other archaeology debate. Well, and of course Christ is an
Appalachian an appellation. It's not as name, and you know,
the anointed one, and it's the Western tradition of one
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raising ones. I would say, raising one's higher conscious into
the universal or God consciousness, depending on the Christ consciousness,
depending what you term you want to use. In an
Eastern edition, as I mentioned earlier, they would call them
Bodhisatphas who have reached enlightenment on earth and helped others
for it. That there was a Jesus, the Christ. I
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would say, yes. But what sacred geometry does is show
that that concept of bringing Heaven Earth together within ourselves,
raising you know, that that consciousness into a christ like
or Bodhisophetyite consciousness is a theme and a goal throughout
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the globe, whatever spiritual philosophy you have. There's a book
called Cosmic Consciousness, my gentleman by the name of Burke,
written in the early nineteen hundreds about exactly that, where
he lists something like thirty people he feel, you know, Buddha,
Christ and others that are Jesus that reached that point.
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And it's even in the Bible. It says, you know,
it quotes that I've told you everything the Father has
told me to his apostles, you can do things greater
than I. That we all have that potential to be
Christ or Bodhysops. You know, if we allow ourselves.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So, do you think that, based on the research that
you've done into sacred geometry and spiritual symbolism, that there
are more of these prophets, or more of these spiritual
leaders like Christ and like Buddha that are still to
come before we reach the final plateau before entering into
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the new age of spiritualism.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think it's a yes, and I think it's a
continuing cycle. I mean, human beings seem very lineally linear
thinking people, but if you look at nature in the world,
everything shows that it's cyclical exactly. Some of your old
and some of your older cultures showed that it's not linear, folks,
it's cyclical that will go through these cycles and as
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you said, will have you know, as we've had them
in the past in different traditions, that we guess that
in the future we will have people that reach that point.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know, you know, my philosophy on life is is
very simple, very basic. Life is simple. We complicated. And
the best example I can give you of this is
Mother Nature and all her wisdom has been showing us
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from day one that life is never ending. For example,
you have the spring, the birth, you have the summer,
the maturity, you have the fall, the older years, you
have the winter, the elder years, and the passing. But
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then it doesn't stop. It goes right back to the
spring and starts all over again. Now, what is so
hard about understanding that concept? If that relates to nature,
we are part of nature. Hello, the writing is on
the wall.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, and I agree with you that it is sicklical,
and it's you know, life, death, are passing and rebirths,
and you know, it's the kind of thing you don't
whether you want to call it heaven or universal consciousness,
you don't go there. You grow there, yes, and you
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grow there through learning through multiple cycles. Actually, Kelly R.
Des Chardin, who wrote a great several great books The
Human Condition and a few others, who was a world
famous besides the Jesuit priest palaeontologists involved with the discovery
of the peaking Man, wrote about our consciousness is about evolve,
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is about evolving, evolving, maturing into being able to be
connected with a god consciousness, to be able to be
mature enough to connect it to it. He called it
the new sphere, which is when consciousness is around the world,
are able to connect reaching an omega point of where
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we're able to touch the imperian light or the God consciousness.
But it's a matter of conscious evolvement. It's kind of
like I look at its people ask well, how do
we do that? You know, it's like becoming that friend
of that kind of universal consciousness or a peer or
co creator, which some people are uncomfortable with. It's like
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when my children were growing up, when they were five,
ors and six years old. You know, I love them dearly,
but they couldn't be a friend a peer. You know,
they were children. But now they're adults and I love
them as dearly and they're friends and peers now. And
our consciousness, I think we're here to do that same
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evolvement as Charden spoke about in others.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I remember when my children were five and six, they
would listen. You know, Laura and I have six children,
and now it's our time when the children come and say, Dad, Mom,
peedback time. You know. But it's true. What you're saying
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is so true. And let me ask you this, what
would happen in your your opinion, if we were to
take the past and learn more about the past and
the lessons that the ancients tried to get us to
understand what kind of world do you think we would
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be in today?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well, more consciously and altruistic and helper of one's brother world.
And it's the irony to me, Well, that's why the
cycles of getting there. The irony to me is that
it's really it seems to me hidden in plain sight. Uh.
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You know, you look at the so many different traditions again,
the you know, high places, heaven and Earth. You look
at revelation. Revelation Uh talks about when the New Jerusalem
comes down to Earth, and so it's talking about when
Heaven and Earth comes together. And that's you know, the
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one tradition. They have it in Islamic tradition, they have
it in Judaic tradition, the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. But
we it's again so it's it's almost so obvious, we
don't see it, and we get distracted on the daily toils,
and we seem to take less and less time to
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have quiet time to results, whether you want to call
it reverie or meditation, to allow ourselves to have that depth.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, it's pretty hard to have quiet times when we're
inundated with data twenty four hours a day, like I
was talking. I was talking to somebody the other day,
and then again this evening where people look down and
text instead of looking forward and seeing what's around them,
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and the and the analogy that best describes it is
a cartoon that someone sent me. It's it's it's a
time square and there's a UFO hovering over time square
in these two little aliens, the under the UFO trying
to get someone's attention to shake their hand, and everyone
is just texting.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah. Well. And I think to a certain extent, we choose,
we choose those distractions because we can also choose to
turn off the phone, turn off the TV, or have
that quiet time. I mean myself, you know I Over time,
probably the last twelve thirteen years, I've learned what they
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call now the term is mindfulness, but to be a
daily meditator, to specifically take that thirty minutes to go
into you know that. And actually, if you look at
all the spiritual editions they contemplate a prayer, meditation, mindfulness,
whatever term you want to use, all tell you to
do that. But we find a distraction speA because I
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think part of it is that's when we really start
to look at ourselves and people seem to have a
tendency myself included, to avoid that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We have learned through history that there is an effect
with the power of prayer, and it seems in today's
society that less and less people are actually interusted in
coming together, whether it is in a church, whether it
is in a field, whether it is anywhere. And if
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you want to call it meditation, let's call it meditation.
If you want to call it perer, let's call it prayer.
Whatever your preference is, you would think in these days,
in these times, that people would be coming together to
try and make that positive difference that we all can make.
And I believe in the power of prayer. I believe
in the power of belief. In my opinion, belief is
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the strongest power in the universe. So I have a
problem trying to understand why people of today do not
get the hint that the ancients knew only too well well.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
And even in that time, you know, you look at
the ancient histories, not everybody was getting it, so to speak,
not everyone was going there. It seems probably why we
go through these cycles of some are looking consciously to
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evolve to that some unconsciously subconsciously and some are just
too distracted. You know, again, going back to the analogy
of children. You know, what's the attention span of a
five or six year old versus an attention span of
an adult. You know. So, and belief is, and not
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only belief, the it's been proven in meditation. I find
it quite interesting. It's been around for thousands of years.
But you know, prior to about the nineteen fifties, they
would tell you, well, yeah, it's subjective, it's all in
your head obviously, but it's just what you know you're feeling.
But then when science was able to catch up and
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create machines that could read brain waves EEGs, suddenly they're like, oh,
brain waves are changing when they meditate. Alpha waves are
going up, beta waves are going down. We're seeing it
strengthens the immune system at lowers blood pressure. And now
that they have machines that can measure it, it's real
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for science. It was real before, but science couldn't measure it,
so it couldn't count.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
But can you blame people for being leary because throughout history, academia,
religion and other people that the citizens used to look
up to why light through their teeth? So it comes
to a point where, yeah, prove it.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Sure, and there are unfortunately in human nature, there are
the quote unquote snake oil sales people out there, but
then there are the ones that are found. And I
understand the scientific method, I get it, you know, repeatable, measurable.
But just because you haven't science hasn't created the gauges
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to measure it, doesn't make it not real. Meditation is
a perfect example. They're finally able to measure it and
see the difference they're actually showing. Now long term meditators
parts of their brain grow, you know, and they're the altruth,
the higher consciousness, the higher thought processes. Parts they're just
now able to through you know, pet scans and things
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other aspects able to actually you know, show that. But again,
at the same time, you always are going to have
people out there that are going to take advantage of
very well meaning, heartful people looking to raise it. And
I think the other thing is that you deal with
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people that you know are on a spiritual path and
are doing the right thing. But I think it seems
so often. You know, again, history shows it too. Buddha
being tempted by maya illusion, Jesus being tempted, you know,
is temptation in forty days in the desert type of thing,
and they pass that. But when you start raising your
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consciousness enough to that, you know, people are drawn to
you and start, you know, want to worship you, and
it's like whoa, whoa, whoa. But it can be very tempting.
We're still human and that's usually when we start thinking, well, gee,
this feels pretty good. They must be right, and we
have our fall, so to speak. So you have that,
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and then unfortunately some of those salesman I spoke of
that look to take advantage of. But you know, whether
in corporations or today's business or spirituality, you know them
by their fruits.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
In today's society, as you just said, there are a
lot of snakes snake oil salesmen out there. But they
found a new method instead of knocking door to door.
It's called www. And there are so many Charlatans out there,
with the exception of the very few, and the people
at the are in my books, are the most credible,
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some of the most credible people that I've ever had
the pleasure of talking to. They want to make a
positive difference. They're not out just too to make a
name for themselves. And you know what, hats off to
you because I know you're part of the AAR, and
hats off to the rest of the members of the
AAR because you people, the work you do is very important,
so please never give it up.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Well and and thank you. That's very kind to say.
And really that's my experience there. It's you know, people
that you know, the belief, the faith, and also of
trying to to bring others you know, along to help
that because of you know, the the journey. You know,
it's whether it's really you look at so many writers
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they've written about the hero's journey or the Grail kind
of west thing that it's always there's perilous and the
speaking of the Grail. It's like in the in the
King Arthur's court there was that one siege if you
were going to go on the the one seat, if
you're going to go on the quest, the seat was
called siege perilous. To tell you that this is a
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journey that you know is not an easy one.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
All right, Dawn, please stand by great talking to you
and once again to not only you down but every
other firefighter paramedic first response under police officer. Thank you
for the important and valuable service that each one of
you provide each and every day of the year. We'll
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And welcome back everyone. Donald B. Carol is my special guest.
He's the author of Sacred Jail, Elemetry and Spiritual Symbolism,
The Blueprint for Creation. Here's a couple of websites ex
O Nation www dot Edgarcasey dot org and Don's website
at www dot Donald B. Carroll dot com. Before you
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before you go, Don, I understand that you're going to
be You're going to be going on on a on
a trip with people going to England in September of
this year. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Ah, yeah, it's about a ten day trip. It's on
the Edgar Casey website. I'm really I mean, England is incredible.
I've been fortunate to be able to be there before
and the sites there are amazing. We're going to very
fortunate this time. We're going to Stonehinge as we spoke
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about an incredible site and we're actually gotten the special
permits to go inside of Stone Hinge, inside the stone
circles themselves and have some time in there and actually
you know, going to do a meditation in there, which
will be very nice. And then we'll be going over
to the Abbury, huge stone circle, like there's actually a
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small town and inside the middle of that. And again
these megalithic sites are just so and they're actually finding
more and more. If you look at Stone Hinge Uncovered,
they've been doing a lot of research there there. It's
still buried, but they found what they call a super
stone hinge five times the sides of Stone Hinge through
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ground penetrating, yeah, through ground pedatrenic radar. So they're still
discovering so much there. And then we're going to spend
three days in Glastonbury, which is personally Glassonberry is incredible.
You have the Glassonbury tore up there. That is this
fascinating site. You know, there's much talk of the lay
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lines that to luric lines that all connect there. And
then there's the Chalice well from the tradition of Joseph
of Arimathea bringing over the Uh, bringing over not only
the Chalice UH from UH from Jesus from the Middle East,
but also Mary right, and then you and you have
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the Glastonbury Abbey, which is incredible and we're going to
have three days there so you can really explore and
appreciate the site, along with going to Stratford on Avon
where you know Shakespeare was from, and some other megalithic
sites that you know aren't on you know, the general Path,
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along with Silbury Hill, which is this amazing megalithic made hill,
the largest one in Europe man made. That's connected evidence
showing it connected to Stonehenge and the Uffington Horse chalk
coving in the side of one of the mountains there.
It's just it's really there is the ancient sites in
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England are really in the history. There is really.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Incredible, fascinating don thank you ever so much for coming
on the show tonight. It's been a great pleasure talking
to you. Come on, give your book a final plug
in your websites. Come on, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Oh well, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'm not the best
at that. It's the it was ten years of research,
probably a lot of it trying to prove myself wrong.
But it's about you know, sacred geometry, and spiritual symbolism
and how it creates this blueprint of creation, and my
website Wwwdonald Bcarrol dot com which I've written other articles
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that I've posted on there, and the edgar Kcy website
where there are some of the stuff I've written on
their Edgarkcy dot org, along with the information for that
England tour coming up this September.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Don care of yourself. Congratulations on a book well done.
It's been a pleasure talking to you, and please my
very best to all the great people at the area.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I will rob thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
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Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, Rob, thank you for inviting me. You're very punk
kind and please call me don all right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Don tell me you know, I've got a lot of
respect for the fire and rescue people. They do a
fantastic job. So thank you for your service first of all,
But what was it that made or guided you to
write about sacred geometry? Isn't that a little bit off
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base for fire and rescue people?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, fire and rescue, you're with what you deal with
in emergencies. You're pretty pragmatic. But when you spend a
career of about thirty three years and it and as
we provided the paramedics, you deal with a lot of
life and death and all the questions that come through
with that. And I would say it's kind of not
only been my journey even earlier than that, and that
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just I'll extended. I think it's humanity's journey about understanding
that you know, we are more than you know what
our bodies here are consciousness and our spirituality goes much further.
So well, during that time, I know, pursued it, and
then as I retire, it gave me an opportunity to
pursue it, and even as I was doing it then
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in much more detail.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Bringing Heaven and Earth together in ourselves. Humanity's journey? What
does this mean?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
As I said, I see it as humanity these journey
the the We've heard the term before about bringing heaven
and Earth together. And really, if you look at spiritual
traditions around the world, it's really what they're striving for.
If you look at whether sacred sites or the concepts
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in the Bible of other places where you know they'd
go to worship the high places because that's where heaven
and earth came together, the axis Mundi's that was symbolic
of raising that higher consciousness, that spirituality within ourselves to
become in Western tradition would be you might say Western
Christian tradition, become christ Like would be the term. In
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Eastern traditions. In Hindu and Buddhist traditions, it become a
Bodhisata enlightened one on earth, you know, to bring that
Heaven and Earth together while we're here and help others
and proceed evolve on our own path.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You deal with a sacred geometry and spiritualism symbolism. Well,
for our listeners who may be hearing about sacred geometry
for the very first time, how would you describe it?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it's yeah, a lot of people when they first
time they hear that, Okay, what's sacred about geometry and
what it is? It's the geometry. Uh, you might say
a spiritual symbolism, sacred geometry really is that?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
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of a break here because we have to take our break.
We'll be back on the other side of this commercial.
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H Donald B. Carol is our special guest. This our exhonation.
We're talking about Donald's new book. It's a titled Sacred
Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism, The Blueprint for for Creation. Www
dot Donald Bcarroll dot com is his website. That's d
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O N A L D B C A R R
O L L dot com. So, Donald, how would we
describe sacred geometry.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's sacred geometry is just a term for UH and
you find it in many many spiritual symbolisms of many
many cultures and religions. It's it's universal patterns that you
you we find throughout our reality and quite often is
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seen in sacred architecture or what's considered sacred art. It's
the you know, the basic belief that you know there
are these universal patterns in mathematics and geometry, and harmonics
and music, light and cosmology, and these they reflect each other.
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It's kind of like the hermetic term of as above
so below. They not only reflect each other in the
in the geometries of the universe, but in the geometry
and patterns of ourselves. And more than a reflection, it
shows a unity in oneness. I mentioned sacred architecture. Probably
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one of the most simplest ones to look at along
that line of that symbols is you go to the
Gothic cathedrals that you find in Europe during that period.
They're always made in the form of a cross, you know,
for the representation. So you know, that's just one example.
There are many, many more, but that's the basics basics
of sacred geometry.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How does sound and the creation of the universe play
into this symbolism.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, yeah, it's actually I find that very fascinating in
that because if you first looking at sound in almost
all your traditions, how the universe was created and what
we have today, it was created the earth, et cetera.
By spiritual traditions, is God spoke, you know, God breathed
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across the waters. Of Eastern traditions, the om the sacred
word of creation. And so you know, actually even before
light there was sound. Let there be lights, and so
it was sound. And what's fascinating with that is science
is now coming out from NASA work and the CERN
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Institute and the actual the Plank Space Spacecraft project, is
that they're coming to the conclusion now that the universe,
what we have today, the universe was created from sound.
So fascinatingly, in recent years, sciences now confirming what spiritual traditions,
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whether Eastern or Western, have been saying for thousands of years.
So we have that sound creating from that sound, the
big bang, so to speak, creating matter from that. Science
confirming that in these spiritual traditions have been saying that.
And when you look at that, and as they describe it,
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it's kind of like ripples across the lake. If you
threw a bunch of pebbles into a lake or a pond,
and you get all these circular ribbons going out in
all ways and crisscrossing each other and creating spiritually these
patterns which would be from that, like the Vesica pisces,
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very simple example, which is just two overlapping circles and
where they overlap creates that almond shape, and Italian it's
called the mendorla, but it creates that almond shape and
well in the fifteen fourteen and even actually back to
the eleven hundreds, if you look in Christianity in that
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petal almen shape, they would actually use that, and only
two individuals were allowed to be put inside that shape
because it represented in sacred geometry, the creative energy, the
creative womb, goddess energy, so to speak. But the two
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people that were allowed in the Christian tradition to put
in there was Jesus and his mother Mary, which is
interesting because you know Jesus, the Christ and the tradition
was the son of man and son of God, so
he brought heaven and earth together. And Mary brought God
birth God onto earth. So she was another channel, so
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to speak, of bringing heaven and earth together. And again
here is these kind of ripples that are depicted. It's
a very elegant way of what would be depicted the
same way in science. And then it's Vesica. Pisces is
also known as a form generator. Very briefly, from those
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two overlapping circles, simply with a straight edge and a pencil,
you can create all the polygons, which is the technical
math term, from the triangle to the square, pentagon, heptagon, septagon,
so almost waved to particle in the science aspect of it,
in which what science is saying the universe being created
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from sound into matter to the same thing spiritual traditions.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Say so, could we say that the crop circles that
are cropping up all over the place could be modern
day sacred geometry or symbols.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I am not that familiar with crop circles, but
the ones I've seen of them, if you see most
of them, a lot of them replicate what we see
in the spiritual and sacred geometry traditions, the flower of life,
the Shri Rantra, the six pointed star, and all of
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those things that, yes, they are very similar to that.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
What evidence is there for the idea, well for your
idea when it comes to sacred geometry and spiritual symbolism.
When we look at megalithic structures such as the Great Pyramid,
the Maya chitsnitz In, the site stone hinges, or even
ancient America's Pueblin culture, how do we explain or what
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evidence is there that it goes a lot further than
ancient civilizations trying to rationalize the world that they live in.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well, and what I've found is really fascinating at these
sites that you mentioned, and what I've found at those
sites is all those sites are known now you know,
science is kind of catching up now that we have
the computer power and what have you. That these sites
were the symbolic and they're all initiation sites were symbolic
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representations of joining Heaven and Earth together chits and eats.
As an example, is known that at the equinox you
get that the created by light, a serpent going down
the staircase, a serpent of light connecting to the head
of the serpent head and stone at the base and
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you know up to the top. If you go on
YouTube or something, you can google that and it's do
a time lapse. It's incredible, you see that. So it
was a representation of physically that initiation site bringing Heaven
and Earth together and to raise that within yourself. Stone
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Hinges is known specifically as an initiation site, uh and
known as you know, all these sites have somewhere another
you know, astronom of astronomy connections, whether lunar, solar, stellar
of some sort they know. You know, Gerald Hawkins wrote
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a great book and showed that, you know, how the
equinoxes and solstices and lunar phases are lined up in stonehenge.
We've i mentioned the ones that Chitsanita, how they line
the sun up. You have similar things they've found with
the with the Great Pyramid and again all symbolic sites
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to connect having an art together and its initiation sites
and the hopey or not the hope of the ancestral
Pueblins like in Shaco Canyon were known, I mean the
archaeologists actually say there, like Pueblo Benito, one of the
great houses was the Axis mundi, which means it's the
Latin term of bringing heaven and Earth together. That was
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their Axis Mundi. These were all sites to tie that.
Actually a perfect example is Machu Pichu in Peru. At
the top of Machu Pichu, at the temple, there is
an altar kind of bedrock carved stone, which is known
as the hitching posts of the Sun because at the
solstices it lines up, creates no shadow, and so they
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called it the hitching to tie the Sun to the earth,
to bring heaven and Earth together. They were representing this
and these sites of temples and altars for this initiation
of bringing that higher self. As I said, kind of
in the Old Testament where it writes about going to
the high places in order to worship, because that's when
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that was the closest to bringing heaven and earth together.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
How do we explain so many different cultures and so
many different parts of the world have this fascination with
the sun the solstice. What's the what's the reasoning behind
this and why the significance?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well, yeah, the sun, the moon and many of them,
you know, specific stars Egypt and stuff, but yeah, with
the sun, you know, particularly and of course you know
it was so important for the agriculture and food. But
you know, so it was very important as into life
giving and you know again the connecting to the heavens. Interestingly,
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you know enough in that aspect. It's actually in many
places we wouldn't expect, you know. The births of Jesus
is December twenty fifth, very close to the winter solstice.
And the interesting part, John the Baptist, who was my
Bible related is celebrate his birthday celebrated June twenty fourth,
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the other solstice, and which means when the sun still
still so even in those places we have those connections.
And again it has not only the importance of giving
life on earth, but the connection to the heavens and
to life and to a much higher life, a spiritual life,
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a heavenly life.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Very interesting topic, Don, you and I have to take
our newsbreak at the bottom of the hour. Please stand by. Explanation.
Donald B. Carroll is our very special guest this hour.
Interesting Sacred geometry is the topic of the hour here
in the X Zone. Don is the author of Sacred
Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism, The Blueprint for Creation. Two websites. Explanation.
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Speaker 2 (19:55):
Welcome back, xon Nation. My guest of this hour. Very interesting, gentlemen.
His name is Donald B. Carroll. He spent his career
in fire and rescue as a district chief, academy instructor
in paramedic, and during those thirty years he raised a
family and pursued the meaning of life through extended study
into the Edgar Casey readings and other spiritual, scientific and
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philosophical materials. He's the author of Sacred Geometry and Spiritual Symbolism,
The Blueprint for Creation, a couple of websites www dot
Edgar Casey dot org and Don's website at Donaldbcarroll dot com.
So would you say, then, Donald, that sacred geometry has
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actually confirmed the existence of Christ?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Interesting question, because that's one of those Biblical archaeology versus
other archaeology debate. Well, and of course Christ is an
Appalachian an appellation. It's not as name, and you know,
the anointed one, and it's the Western tradition of one
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raising ones. I would say, raising one's higher conscious into
the universal or God consciousness, depending on the Christ consciousness,
depending what you term you want to use. In an
Eastern edition, as I mentioned earlier, they would call them
Bodhisatphas who have reached enlightenment on earth and helped others
for it. That there was a Jesus, the Christ. I
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would say, yes. But what sacred geometry does is show
that that concept of bringing Heaven Earth together within ourselves,
raising you know, that that consciousness into a christ like
or Bodhisophetyite consciousness is a theme and a goal throughout
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the globe, whatever spiritual philosophy you have. There's a book
called Cosmic Consciousness, my gentleman by the name of Burke,
written in the early nineteen hundreds about exactly that, where
he lists something like thirty people he feel, you know, Buddha,
Christ and others that are Jesus that reached that point.
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And it's even in the Bible. It says, you know,
it quotes that I've told you everything the Father has
told me to his apostles, you can do things greater
than I. That we all have that potential to be
Christ or Bodhysops. You know, if we allow ourselves.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So, do you think that, based on the research that
you've done into sacred geometry and spiritual symbolism, that there
are more of these prophets, or more of these spiritual
leaders like Christ and like Buddha that are still to
come before we reach the final plateau before entering into
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the new age of spiritualism.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think it's a yes, and I think it's a
continuing cycle. I mean, human beings seem very lineally linear
thinking people, but if you look at nature in the world,
everything shows that it's cyclical exactly. Some of your old
and some of your older cultures showed that it's not linear, folks,
it's cyclical that will go through these cycles and as
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you said, will have you know, as we've had them
in the past in different traditions, that we guess that
in the future we will have people that reach that point.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know, you know, my philosophy on life is is
very simple, very basic. Life is simple. We complicated. And
the best example I can give you of this is
Mother Nature and all her wisdom has been showing us
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from day one that life is never ending. For example,
you have the spring, the birth, you have the summer,
the maturity, you have the fall, the older years, you
have the winter, the elder years, and the passing. But
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then it doesn't stop. It goes right back to the
spring and starts all over again. Now, what is so
hard about understanding that concept? If that relates to nature,
we are part of nature. Hello, the writing is on
the wall.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, and I agree with you that it is sicklical,
and it's you know, life, death, are passing and rebirths,
and you know, it's the kind of thing you don't
whether you want to call it heaven or universal consciousness,
you don't go there. You grow there, yes, and you
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grow there through learning through multiple cycles. Actually, Kelly R.
Des Chardin, who wrote a great several great books The
Human Condition and a few others, who was a world
famous besides the Jesuit priest palaeontologists involved with the discovery
of the peaking Man, wrote about our consciousness is about evolve,
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is about evolving, evolving, maturing into being able to be
connected with a god consciousness, to be able to be
mature enough to connect it to it. He called it
the new sphere, which is when consciousness is around the world,
are able to connect reaching an omega point of where
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we're able to touch the imperian light or the God consciousness.
But it's a matter of conscious evolvement. It's kind of
like I look at its people ask well, how do
we do that? You know, it's like becoming that friend
of that kind of universal consciousness or a peer or
co creator, which some people are uncomfortable with. It's like
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when my children were growing up, when they were five,
ors and six years old. You know, I love them dearly,
but they couldn't be a friend a peer. You know,
they were children. But now they're adults and I love
them as dearly and they're friends and peers now. And
our consciousness, I think we're here to do that same
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evolvement as Charden spoke about in others.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I remember when my children were five and six, they
would listen. You know, Laura and I have six children,
and now it's our time when the children come and say, Dad, Mom,
peedback time. You know. But it's true. What you're saying
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is so true. And let me ask you this, what
would happen in your your opinion, if we were to
take the past and learn more about the past and
the lessons that the ancients tried to get us to
understand what kind of world do you think we would
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be in today?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well, more consciously and altruistic and helper of one's brother world.
And it's the irony to me, Well, that's why the
cycles of getting there. The irony to me is that
it's really it seems to me hidden in plain sight. Uh.
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You know, you look at the so many different traditions again,
the you know, high places, heaven and Earth. You look
at revelation. Revelation Uh talks about when the New Jerusalem
comes down to Earth, and so it's talking about when
Heaven and Earth comes together. And that's you know, the
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one tradition. They have it in Islamic tradition, they have
it in Judaic tradition, the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. But
we it's again so it's it's almost so obvious, we
don't see it, and we get distracted on the daily toils,
and we seem to take less and less time to
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have quiet time to results, whether you want to call
it reverie or meditation, to allow ourselves to have that depth.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, it's pretty hard to have quiet times when we're
inundated with data twenty four hours a day, like I
was talking. I was talking to somebody the other day,
and then again this evening where people look down and
text instead of looking forward and seeing what's around them,
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and the and the analogy that best describes it is
a cartoon that someone sent me. It's it's it's a
time square and there's a UFO hovering over time square
in these two little aliens, the under the UFO trying
to get someone's attention to shake their hand, and everyone
is just texting.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah. Well. And I think to a certain extent, we choose,
we choose those distractions because we can also choose to
turn off the phone, turn off the TV, or have
that quiet time. I mean myself, you know I Over time,
probably the last twelve thirteen years, I've learned what they
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call now the term is mindfulness, but to be a
daily meditator, to specifically take that thirty minutes to go
into you know that. And actually, if you look at
all the spiritual editions they contemplate a prayer, meditation, mindfulness,
whatever term you want to use, all tell you to
do that. But we find a distraction speA because I
(30:00):
think part of it is that's when we really start
to look at ourselves and people seem to have a
tendency myself included, to avoid that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We have learned through history that there is an effect
with the power of prayer, and it seems in today's
society that less and less people are actually interusted in
coming together, whether it is in a church, whether it
is in a field, whether it is anywhere. And if
(30:35):
you want to call it meditation, let's call it meditation.
If you want to call it perer, let's call it prayer.
Whatever your preference is, you would think in these days,
in these times, that people would be coming together to
try and make that positive difference that we all can make.
And I believe in the power of prayer. I believe
in the power of belief. In my opinion, belief is
(30:57):
the strongest power in the universe. So I have a
problem trying to understand why people of today do not
get the hint that the ancients knew only too well well.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
And even in that time, you know, you look at
the ancient histories, not everybody was getting it, so to speak,
not everyone was going there. It seems probably why we
go through these cycles of some are looking consciously to
(31:32):
evolve to that some unconsciously subconsciously and some are just
too distracted. You know, again, going back to the analogy
of children. You know, what's the attention span of a
five or six year old versus an attention span of
an adult. You know. So, and belief is, and not
(31:55):
only belief, the it's been proven in meditation. I find
it quite interesting. It's been around for thousands of years.
But you know, prior to about the nineteen fifties, they
would tell you, well, yeah, it's subjective, it's all in
your head obviously, but it's just what you know you're feeling.
But then when science was able to catch up and
(32:18):
create machines that could read brain waves EEGs, suddenly they're like, oh,
brain waves are changing when they meditate. Alpha waves are
going up, beta waves are going down. We're seeing it
strengthens the immune system at lowers blood pressure. And now
that they have machines that can measure it, it's real
(32:40):
for science. It was real before, but science couldn't measure it,
so it couldn't count.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
But can you blame people for being leary because throughout history, academia,
religion and other people that the citizens used to look
up to why light through their teeth? So it comes
to a point where, yeah, prove it.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Sure, and there are unfortunately in human nature, there are
the quote unquote snake oil sales people out there, but
then there are the ones that are found. And I
understand the scientific method, I get it, you know, repeatable, measurable.
But just because you haven't science hasn't created the gauges
(33:31):
to measure it, doesn't make it not real. Meditation is
a perfect example. They're finally able to measure it and
see the difference they're actually showing. Now long term meditators
parts of their brain grow, you know, and they're the altruth,
the higher consciousness, the higher thought processes. Parts they're just
now able to through you know, pet scans and things
(33:52):
other aspects able to actually you know, show that. But again,
at the same time, you always are going to have
people out there that are going to take advantage of
very well meaning, heartful people looking to raise it. And
I think the other thing is that you deal with
(34:14):
people that you know are on a spiritual path and
are doing the right thing. But I think it seems
so often. You know, again, history shows it too. Buddha
being tempted by maya illusion, Jesus being tempted, you know,
is temptation in forty days in the desert type of thing,
and they pass that. But when you start raising your
(34:38):
consciousness enough to that, you know, people are drawn to
you and start, you know, want to worship you, and
it's like whoa, whoa, whoa. But it can be very tempting.
We're still human and that's usually when we start thinking, well, gee,
this feels pretty good. They must be right, and we
have our fall, so to speak. So you have that,
(34:58):
and then unfortunately some of those salesman I spoke of
that look to take advantage of. But you know, whether
in corporations or today's business or spirituality, you know them
by their fruits.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
In today's society, as you just said, there are a
lot of snakes snake oil salesmen out there. But they
found a new method instead of knocking door to door.
It's called www. And there are so many Charlatans out there,
with the exception of the very few, and the people
at the are in my books, are the most credible,
(35:39):
some of the most credible people that I've ever had
the pleasure of talking to. They want to make a
positive difference. They're not out just too to make a
name for themselves. And you know what, hats off to
you because I know you're part of the AAR, and
hats off to the rest of the members of the
AAR because you people, the work you do is very important,
so please never give it up.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Well and and thank you. That's very kind to say.
And really that's my experience there. It's you know, people
that you know, the belief, the faith, and also of
trying to to bring others you know, along to help
that because of you know, the the journey. You know,
it's whether it's really you look at so many writers
(36:25):
they've written about the hero's journey or the Grail kind
of west thing that it's always there's perilous and the
speaking of the Grail. It's like in the in the
King Arthur's court there was that one siege if you
were going to go on the the one seat, if
you're going to go on the quest, the seat was
called siege perilous. To tell you that this is a
(36:47):
journey that you know is not an easy one.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
All right, Dawn, please stand by great talking to you
and once again to not only you down but every
other firefighter paramedic first response under police officer. Thank you
for the important and valuable service that each one of
you provide each and every day of the year. We'll
be back on the other side of this break. X
oone Nation, don't go away.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
You're listening to the xone Broadcast Network www dot XBN
dot net.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And welcome back everyone. Donald B. Carol is my special guest.
He's the author of Sacred Jail, Elemetry and Spiritual Symbolism,
The Blueprint for Creation. Here's a couple of websites ex
O Nation www dot Edgarcasey dot org and Don's website
at www dot Donald B. Carroll dot com. Before you
(38:18):
before you go, Don, I understand that you're going to
be You're going to be going on on a on
a trip with people going to England in September of
this year. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Ah, yeah, it's about a ten day trip. It's on
the Edgar Casey website. I'm really I mean, England is incredible.
I've been fortunate to be able to be there before
and the sites there are amazing. We're going to very
fortunate this time. We're going to Stonehinge as we spoke
(38:52):
about an incredible site and we're actually gotten the special
permits to go inside of Stone Hinge, inside the stone
circles themselves and have some time in there and actually
you know, going to do a meditation in there, which
will be very nice. And then we'll be going over
to the Abbury, huge stone circle, like there's actually a
(39:13):
small town and inside the middle of that. And again
these megalithic sites are just so and they're actually finding
more and more. If you look at Stone Hinge Uncovered,
they've been doing a lot of research there there. It's
still buried, but they found what they call a super
stone hinge five times the sides of Stone Hinge through
(39:33):
ground penetrating, yeah, through ground pedatrenic radar. So they're still
discovering so much there. And then we're going to spend
three days in Glastonbury, which is personally Glassonberry is incredible.
You have the Glassonbury tore up there. That is this
fascinating site. You know, there's much talk of the lay
(39:56):
lines that to luric lines that all connect there. And
then there's the Chalice well from the tradition of Joseph
of Arimathea bringing over the Uh, bringing over not only
the Chalice UH from UH from Jesus from the Middle East,
but also Mary right, and then you and you have
(40:19):
the Glastonbury Abbey, which is incredible and we're going to
have three days there so you can really explore and
appreciate the site, along with going to Stratford on Avon
where you know Shakespeare was from, and some other megalithic
sites that you know aren't on you know, the general Path,
(40:44):
along with Silbury Hill, which is this amazing megalithic made hill,
the largest one in Europe man made. That's connected evidence
showing it connected to Stonehenge and the Uffington Horse chalk
coving in the side of one of the mountains there.
It's just it's really there is the ancient sites in
(41:09):
England are really in the history. There is really.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Incredible, fascinating don thank you ever so much for coming
on the show tonight. It's been a great pleasure talking
to you. Come on, give your book a final plug
in your websites. Come on, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Oh well, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'm not the best
at that. It's the it was ten years of research,
probably a lot of it trying to prove myself wrong.
But it's about you know, sacred geometry, and spiritual symbolism
and how it creates this blueprint of creation, and my
website Wwwdonald Bcarrol dot com which I've written other articles
(41:46):
that I've posted on there, and the edgar Kcy website
where there are some of the stuff I've written on
their Edgarkcy dot org, along with the information for that
England tour coming up this September.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Don care of yourself. Congratulations on a book well done.
It's been a pleasure talking to you, and please my
very best to all the great people at the area.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I will rob thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Good night, sir. I'll be back on the other side
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