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And welcome back to the X one one and all.
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oll Nation. My first guest tonight is doctor Corey mint Mintitani,
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and I want to be talking to doctor Corey about
Judeo Christian evangelical theology and demonology. Now, let me see
I do have some information here about the good doctor.
Doctor Corey is a Doctor of Ministry in Christian Studies,
a Doctor of Evangelical Theological candidate, and a PhD Candidate
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in Demonology studies, with a BA degree in philosophy and
an MS in psychology. He has worked. He has published
works that have been published in or in Moore. I
believe that's how you say it, a Celtic easine for
the New Order of Druids and Gray matters. And joining
me now is doctor Corey. Doctor Corey, welcome to the exo.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, thanks Rob, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Tell us a little bit more about yourself, sir, Well,
I got.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Into this strange thing when I was at Christian Seminary
and one of the things, uh, we have to do,
we have to do a lot of biblical research and
things like that. But I always had this interest in
a little bit of the occult, paranormal and things like that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They really piqued my interest.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But of course, you know, if you if you don't
know how summinary works, they're not going to tell you
all the good stuff, Like, you can't go in there
to what are your professors and say, hey.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
What about ghosts? What about demons? You know? Uh, you know,
is there something about shadow people?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
You know?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
These are these are all subjects that are eschewed and
taboo in the in the uh you know, theological community.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So I had to kind of sit there and venture out,
you know.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And I, as you said before, I started with my
degree in philosophy and then worked in do uh psychology
and it was very satisfying, but I wanted to learn more,
and so I started work on my ministry degree, and
now I'm working on an exegetical theology, which is basically
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looking at.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
The Christian Scripture.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And when I did that, I was looking at a
lot of a lot of the parts of the Old Testament.
And if we look at them carefully, there's a lot
of crossover between you.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Know, the you know what the.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Psychic community is doing, the paranormal community, maybe even the
esoteric slash occult and pagan communities.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
And there's a lot of good stuff in there.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And but one of the things is that some of
the translations would pluck things out, So you may or
may not know that the King James version of the
Holy Bible.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
They remove a lot of the demonology.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Type of stuff because they were, you know, at one time,
you know, going after witches and pagans and things like that,
because they're trying to establish their dominance in that spiritual realm.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And so like the King James Bible sixteen.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Eleven would actually have a lot of that demonology plucked out.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And I thought that was really weird. That's really confusing.
Why would they pluck that out? And King James the
First himself.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Wrote a book called Demonology, and it's more kind of
like parable type stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
But you know how people can get involved with demons
and devils and bad spirits and the light and so.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But you know a lot of the modern translations of
the Bible they still leave that out. And so I
thought was, hey, well, I better maybe look at the
Hebrew version of the Jewish versions of the like the
Torah and the Tanakh, and you could if you look
at the English versions of those books, you also see
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that certain.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Negative stuff has been pulled out.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Or they will add an apostrophe here, changing the meaning
of the word, or you know, uh, this that or
the other, but or they'll just gloss over the translation
or mistranslate, but then when you look at Hebrew version,
you'll actually see that the words are still in there.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Take for example, there's one demon.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Called as Azel, and in the Book of Enoch, he
is actually the origin of all sin. So he's the
you know, when they say, uh, the devil made me
do it, or we can blame it on the devil,
that is him. And but when we when we cross
reference that to all these other Bibles, translation was as
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Azel has been stripped, and so that that name has
been stripped or misconstrued.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Sometimes if you put an apostrophe and as Azel's name,
it'll it'll come up in Hebrew is wilderness.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
And so some of the English translations, Protestant translations of
the Bible will.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You know, put wilderness in there and not leave as
Zel's name.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Oddly, the Catholic Bibles will actually have that, uh, pretty
much a straight translation.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
They'll leave as Zell's name in there.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
They will let let people know that that that name
belongs to a demon, but they won't go on any
further that but at least it's they're not extracting anything.
So and that is this journey for about four years
of noticing things that are plucked out of the Bible
or they're hidden, and I wanted to know why.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
And so that's how I got my start in all this.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Rob prior to getting into the studies of the Bible
and the Torah, prior to getting into the seminary, prior
going to the Halid, you know, schools of learning. Had
you had any paranormal experience, had you had an encounter
anything or was this strictly something that you decided to
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do when you were you know, going to the seminary
and looking at what is available and what's not available.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Well, that's a great question. It's been. It's been in stages.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
For example, I was never raised in any any kind
of religion whatsoever, no paranormal experiences whatsoever. But I did
start to learn a little bit about energy, how to
manipulate in the martial arts.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And it's still even in the martial arts. I mean,
they do a lot of breaking and doing, you know,
breaking things, this that and the other.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
But there is there are some esoteric arts that start
manipulating energy. And we'll see those arts, you know, like
chigung or tai chi, and they'll kind of and some
of these energies are used in traditional Chinese medicine. And
then from there I've I kind of worked with I
started working with psionics because it was very similar to
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martial arts that we just give you a list of
instructions to do this, this, then this, and this is
what's going to happen and and so nothing paranormal there
either that. I became a reiki master and my teacher
was like, okay, so we're going to introduce you to
your reiki spirit. And I'm like, what's a reiki spirit?
You know, I don't see anything, like, well, when you
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get tuned into raki, they give you, uh, you know,
a spirit that that stays with you to help you,
you know, do your reiki practice.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm like, who is they? They? They was never you
know defined.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I don't know what what a reiki spirit is, what
it does? Is it going to follow me into the bathroom?
Is it going to you know, question what I eat?
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I didn't I didn't see anything, and I was asking
am I.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
But apparently my reiki instructor, her name's Marie Manucherry out of.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Seattle at the time, she could see these things.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
She could actually see energy, like say, if you waved
your hand in the air, she could see like, oh,
there's like a little trail of you know, kind of
energy or light to what she could see. And she
was originally a nurse and she was working in the
terminal words, and she was able to see these this
energy a lot more when people were dying.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And so that was her paranormal experience.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And as I progressed into this the Bible study, more
and more paranormal stuff started kind of attracting itself towards me.
For example, I would see people, you know, friends at
some of the libraries so that I would deal with
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to you know, have some friends that worked in as
librarians and library clerks, and usually they're very perky people,
very friendly people.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
And they would tell me that they were fighting with
each other, or they were or they were just.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Feeling drained or this or that, and then I would
do what's called a psychic scan, and and then I
could see that there was something lodged on the onto
their backside.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And so that's kind of where I got I got started.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And my even my daughter has has run into things
where her her corgied is is becoming just craze and
tracing something in the in the room at two o'clock
in the morning, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Like, she's like, I think, I think we have a
ghost in the house. I go, well, have you had
a ghost in there before?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
No? But but suddenly the corgy's tracking something about two
o'clock at night for almost, you know, about three nights
in a row, right, And so on the first night
I came in there and I'm like, oh wow, the
whole house was really weird.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And you know, I got this little checklist.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I'm like, the only thing that is it might be
as probably a shadow person, but I don't have any
research on shadow people. So you know, even that was
just like three weeks before this broadcast. So now I
had to go research about shadow people because it wasn't
covered at the Grace School of Wizardry, and wasn't covered
at the Demonology Institute that I'm working at. It wasn't
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covered at my summary seminary obviously, so I had to
go do some extra research.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
About shadow people.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
But when I got to my daughter's home, we did
did did notice that her fourier right in front of
the door had some really negative energy. Or I had
just had weird energy. It wasn't negative, wasn't positive, but
but it just felt like it was like like a suction,
like when you walk past. It was like, oh, because
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I'm very sensitive to energy a little or at least
a little bit, and so I take my pendulum out
and it's actually probably a portal in some kind. So
I don't know, there's still we're still doing some research
on it, but I basically just blessed the area closed
it off as per I was my teaching. But we're
going we're going to have to take a break.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We're going to have to take a break here, doctor Corey.
When we come back, we're going to be talking more
to our gifts this hour, doctor Corey Mintteni, and that
we're talking about the Judeo Christian theology and demonology this
hour here in the Excona with her Strali Rob McConnell
from our broadcast center in studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada,
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She was born in wild Sign around the ground and
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And welcome back everyone. I'm Rob McConnell. This is the
X Zone. It's a place where people dare to believe in,
dear to be heard, and our show is always searching
for answers, but we're also demanding the truth. Joining me
this hour is a doctor Corey Minnettani, and I have
to ask you something.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Doctor Corey.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
In the world that we are in right now, do
we really need theological books? Do we really need religion?
And is it possible that it's religion that is holding
us back instead of allowing us to go forward.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Well that's an excellent question and an excellent perspective. Uh
what to the first question, do we need religious books?
I say yes, do we need religion? Possibly? You know,
some people do better with religion than without. I don't
think it's for everyone. Yeah, but but we probably all
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know we can all think of somebody that that.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Probably religion helped save their life once in a while.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
We're not talking like, you know, like like a Christian saving,
but we're just like, maybe they drank too much and
and you know they've started going to religion, you know,
going to church and or maybe pay them practice and
they snapped out of it. They just kind of you know,
you know, their perspective change, you know, their their paradigm
shifts a little bit, and and that's enough to possibly
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save their life or save their marriage, or maybe they
have kids and they're not there for them, and and uh,
you know, a religion helps him focus on what's really important.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Is it possible that is it possible that religion is
nothing else but a placebo effect, that you can actually
do what you're doing without the help of religion if
you just put your mind to it.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Well, yeah, I think I think there there is. I
don't know if it's all that, but I know it, you.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Know, especially as a psychological point, I would say it's
about fifty percent. The other is, you know, you might say, well,
you have a leap of faith, or you have some
skills and stuff like that. I've seen some weird stuff,
you know, just laying on of hands healing, you know,
like I've worked with some Pentecostal folks and they would
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you know, you know, pray for healing in the name
of Jesus, uh, you know, and try to get the
Holy Spirit to do the healing. And I've seen some
really cool stuff being healed we're talking like carpal tunnel.
Sometimes it was this miner like headaches. I was seen
with the Native American tribe. I worked with the Muckle
Shoot for a little bit, and they would be they
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would go do their sweat lodges and attract entities in
the mountain. They would go on their sweat lodges and
come running out and like, what'd you see?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But what was spooping you? And they're like, someone's watching me.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
So it kind of just kind of you know, sometimes
the religion can can buckle people down, and then you know,
say in the case of the Native Americans, they were uh,
you know, just learning about their native culture and their
history and things like that, and.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It opened their eyes up to a whole new world.
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
They were very secular and worldly, and and they the
whole idea of spirits, spirit animals and things like that
really just spooked them on one level.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
But it was like, oh, maybe the elders were saying
something to the truth.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
So but for myself, the old text books or the
old religious books.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Are keys for someone like me that has.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
A lot of different training, like in martial arts and
psychology and philosophy and religion and other healing modalities that
I could say, oh, well, this stuff like in the
Old Testament.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
A lot of the stuff that I practiced, you know,
you know on my own is actually embedded in the
Bible or in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But I often ask if we had the knowledge that
we have today, with all the sciences, and we had
access to the vast information that we have available on
the internet, how different would the Bible have been written
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if the events that were so spectacular to the ancients
happened today.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, well, that's that's also good point.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
It was with everything, the level of intensity for entertainment
and excitement and attention. If we look at the normal
day to day news, a lot of the news media
they have to really hype up the news or really
blow it out of a worship, it seems from perspective anyway, just.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
To get get the attention and and the and the attention.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Nowadays for many people's is is uh, you know, encapsulated
at TikTok videos that thirty to sixty seconds sometimes and
they'll go through maybe thirty of those, you know, in
a day or whatever. But so it it might not
be a big thing. You know, people are less oppressed
or you know, especially nowadays, you know, we have so
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many uh you know, stage magicians and you know, uh,
you know, tricksters and people trying to scam us all
the time. The people would take, you know, a skeptical sign,
which is is is totally healthy. You don't want to
sit there and and dive deep into this, you know,
with full faith and uh you know niativity, you know,
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so you got to you got a baby step in there.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
And it may not be right for everybody.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
You know, people that are very scientific minded in the world,
you know, their purpose in the world is to do science.
People like myself, I couldn't figure out science, you know,
like that was some of.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
My worst classes.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
That's why I kind of end up kind of getting
a degree in philosophy because I could think really large thoughts,
but you know, trying to do accounting or or.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Things like that that I was very horrible.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Language skills, you know, like uh, my Spanish teacher promised
to give me a D minus minus uh in Spanish
one on one if I promise never to take one
or two. So I think people just kind of naturally
fall into into these things based on their attributes. But
then again, they're some other things that you know, but
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a gain back to your question, though they may not
be very impressed. They might think it's a trick, which
is okay.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Where did you? Where did you earn your degree in
philosophy and your degree in psychology from.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
My degree in philosophy was over at Central Washington University.
It's over a little town are in Washington called Ellensburg, Washington.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And then my psychology degree was.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Actually online because I had four kids and I was
working full time and that's the only way I could
do a degree program.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
At that time, and so.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
It was online with Capella University.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
The established religions and philosophies are noting that a great
number of people are leaving their flock and going into
the alternative religious philosophies and New Age movement to society
ladies including WICCA, just to mention one, how do you
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see this helping those who are watching the onslaught of
people leaving to question if in fact what they are
they have been taught to believe in is the truth.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Well, if we're thinking about an all powerful being, let's
let's let's call it God.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
And he's going to get you, is some kind of
thought process whether it's the Ancient Alien show, whether it's
going to be uh Santa Claus, you know, or you know,
people divert.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
To Wicca from my hometown.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
We have some people that are getting into Norse religion
because yeah, they've been very they might be disenfranchised from
a normal religions or it's not it's not lively enough,
or they don't identify with it anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And I think that's the key.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
There's a there's a lot of religions when they first
started off, they were on fire because they were making
a difference in people's lives and it wasn't about the money.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And and you know how many people you had in
the seats you were you were you.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Had a lot more quality, you know, people could you know,
can actually sit and talk with the spiritual leader and
and uh get some inside you know things.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And I think, you know, when people are moving away from.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Organized religion into these offshoots let's call them offshoot philosophies
and religions, it's because that that portion, that that personal connection,
that personal mentorship, that identification of the little things you
do for that for that offshoot is being recognized for
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the most part. I mean, if we go to a
megachurch like you might see on TV, These these televangelists,
they've got ten thousand people of this see.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
You know, you're definitely feeling like you're part of the group.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
But do you feel like your efforts will be even
remotely recognized by the pastor probably not right, You're just
one of the many.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
It's like a serial number. You know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It seems to me that it seems that religion these
days is just like any other company after the almighty
dollar in order to show profits. And I just find
it very disillusioning when we when the entire religious philosophy,
the religious organizations such as Christianity, Catholicism, you know, just
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kind of look at you as a member of their corporation.
You have the in my opinion, you have the Pope
as the CEO, then you have the deacons and the
cardinals as the board of directors, and then you've got
John Q. Public who goes to church hoping to lead
a better life and is paying. You know, the collection
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pot comes around and it's either what they have in
their pocket or their promised tithing. I think that it's
time that we as a society take a good look
at religion and now we're seeing in the paranormal there's
a lot of people who are basing what they're doing
on the religion. For example, after we come back from
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this break, we're going to be talking about demons and
what are demons, where did they come from? And much
more so. Please stand by doctor Corey an exon nation.
This is the x Owne doctor Corey Minettani as our
special guest, and he is in Seattle, Washington. Unfortunately, we
don't have a contact information for him, but he said
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that we can give the We don't have website address
for him, but we can give out his email address,
and it is C M I n A t A
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She was born now.
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Wild around round town town.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Uh if I had a million dollars five had a
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well I'd buy you a house. I would buy you
a house.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
And if I had a million dollars.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Five had a million dollars, buy you furniture for your house,
maybe a nice Chesterfield or an Ottoman if I had
a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
And welcome back if you want to. By the way,
if my music director is listening, there's Mike can Con
for this hour. The first song we did was She's
an Amusement Park by band from Heaven in Hamilton, Ontario,
and this song by the Bare Naked Ladies. If I
had a million dollars. So there we are, Peter two,
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two Canadian songs for can Con. There we go. What
in your opinion is a negative entity and and where
did they come from?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well, a negative entity is the opposite of what we are.
If we're living, we're having a heartbeat, we have some
sort of a positive energy output. And a negative entity
is something that is like a magnet, you know, drunk,
you know, it's polar opposites that connect.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's attractive to our our life energy. So a negative energy, uh,
you know.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Was There's a whole a whole different, whole lot of
classifications which we can get into, but they're.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
They're everywhere, uh there, you know, uh kind of behind
the scenes as you will.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
You know, just like ghosts or you know, other other
kinds of paranormal phenomenon. But they're everywhere. They're just like
germs and viruses around the around the world. They're they're everywhere.
It's part of an ecosystem that we that that we
live in. Many people can be you know, they're very
sensitive that I can see see the entities so cannot
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So the less sensitive.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
You are, you know, the less you have to worry about.
But it does, it does happen to.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
These negative entities do stick to people, whether they like
it or not.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Once again, I'm going to play the devil's advocate here
is how do we know that these negative entities are
in fact real and just not figments of certain people's imagination.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Well, that's that's true.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Most the clients, like like just this year alone, I
would do h normally, I would I'd have my raki
practice and people would be like, I feel it bad,
and you know, I, you know, feel depressed or I'm
angry or whatever, and then I, you know, I can
just hit them with some reiki or and that usually
you know, mostly works. But for some of these people,
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and like I said, I just fell into this by accident.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
I would just do a scan on them, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I would just kind of imagine like just like a
door screen, you know, going down across their body and
just just to see if there's I can remove any
negative energy, because some people they just pick up there's
lots of little negative energy of perverse energy running around,
you know, like say if you, you know, go to
a CD bar, you're gonna you're gonna pick up a little.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Bit of negative energy because it's not a good place.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
You know, there's a lot of stuff going on in there,
and you might bring it in your home. So there's
that little bit of negative energy.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
That kind of thing. But these people, when I would
do the scan, you know, i'd scan their front, you.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Know, just like a doctor like you might do an
MRI or what or these people had no idea there
was any negative entity on them.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
And then I was like, I'd scan the front nothing,
then I'd scan the back and it would stop.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I had it took me a couple of weeks
to figure out what the heck was going on.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
And then I did, you know, of course, I see
what's going on, there's something stuck to their back, and
I had to do more, uh you know.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Some some research on that, and a lot of the psychic.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Community they have you know, books on psychic you know, attacks,
psychic self defense books, things like that. And in one book,
specifically Robert Bruce, he had you know, an actual drawing
of an entity that that a negative entity just attached
to somebody's back chakras. And then I got the idea like, oh, well,
(31:43):
maybe that's what that is. And so then I started
developing techniques with my practice being able to pull these
people off and then put put them in like little spirit.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Dreps, you know. So it's it was kind of weird.
So but most of the folks they don't know what
it is. They just they just know their experience.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
And I feel pad and there's no reason why, you know,
like most of my clients are are bubbally people.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It's almost like you know these uh, you know, very.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Perky people, warning people, you know, and uh uh, and
then all of a sudden they're just you know, oddly bad.
So I scan them and and I found that they
had someone there and.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Then the weird thing, and I didn't believe in it
either you.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Know, I was just kind of like, well, it could be,
could be, it could be anything, you know what is
But when I started pulling it off, you know psychically,
and you've got to put it in a bottle or
trap its now, you know, after weeks, they just the
entity just stays in there and it's trying to move
and you can.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Feel the energy rating rating out of the of the
containment the containers.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
So yeah, but most of my clients when I when
I do that, they don't they don't know, they don't
they don't see it.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
They just know they feel better.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
So uh, you know, you know, like I sayhow I'll
start at nine o'clock and then I'll say, okay, nine team,
whatever it was on your back, I pulled it off,
and they're like, oh yeah, because like about nine fourteen,
I was starting to feel Okay, I got my energy.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Back or this or that.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So but it's run the gambut. Some some of them
just anger, some of them was just depression. One guy
had diarrhea and then as soon as I started plucking
it off, he stopped. I mean we've had diarrhea for
like a week straight. And then after I plucked him
off nowhere diarrhea. So I don't know, it's really strange phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Let me ask you. Let me ask you this. If
a person is in a positive state of mind and
he goes into a bar, and I don't believe that
all bars are bad, you know, So he goes into
a bar that might be considered seed. Okay, he sits down,
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has a couple of bruskis before he goes home. He's
had a hell of a day at the office. Sure,
then he leaves. How would some who's having a positive day,
who's who's you know, got so much going for me,
He's got the job of his life, the job that
he's dreamed of. Why would he be attacked by a
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so called negative entity.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Well, the in the in, the person that you're characterizing
in the scenario, probably wouldn't you know. These people that
have you know, like so like the New Age community
or the esoteric community, metaphysics community, whatever you want to
call him, they call that a person that that.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Has a good life.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
They're doing things, they're just going in for a couple
of brusties. As you said, yeah, they have what's called
a high vibration. Now, I don't you know, like I
don't use that term. But but you know they're just
they're good people, just like you said, like you can.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Look across them. Hey, Joe, how's a goal? And you know,
and you know he's a hard worker and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
But you know, and maybe he comes into the bar
wants to leave, No big deal, right, But uh, but
let's say that same Joe who's a always a nice guy, uh,
you know, never starts a fight whatever, but he goes
and it has this couple of yeers. Some guy talks about,
uh something bad with about American politics or maybe uh
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disrespected the Toronto Blue Jays and then and he's like, hey,
what do you think you're doing?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
He just lugs the guy.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And you know that's that, So you might you might
say something's wrong with Joe.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
He never starts a fight. He never gets into these
conversations or something going on. Maybe he had a bad
day at work and that's how it goes.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
But but normally they're they're they're a high vibration type
of person and not going to run into that. But
but if it's a continual thing and you see that
people would you know that maybe do drugs and stuff
like that. So it starts small and then okay, Joe's
going to the bar now two or three times.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
A week, maybe four.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Now he's you know, not coming home at night, you know,
to go visit the wife. You know, wife's got you know,
stuff on the table waiting for him, and he didn't
show up.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
He has a call, you know whatever, talking to you know.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Wait, you know, I get I get your drift. But
what I'm trying to establish is whether or not the
negative entity is self induced in all these cases. And
you are telling us about you know, people go to
see you and you you do a scan and you
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know something is negative in them, and that you you
are able to eradicate whatever the negative feeling is. Yeah, okay,
Now how do we know that just by them going
to see you and talking to you and them believing
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that you believe that you can help them is just
a matter of mind over matter, that just by being
with somebody who believes them, you know, is the cure.
And once again, I look at the placebo effect. How
do you how do you know the difference between something
that is generated from within the your client compared to
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an actual physical, demonic or evil entity.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Yeah, well, there's certain levels of entities. Let let's let's
call them.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
So like when we talk about the demonic entity, that's
that's usually reserved for somebody that's that's got some serious problems.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We're talking uh, you know uh.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
And then there's other entities that are not demonic, but
they but they do.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Drain your your energy, let's let's say, for any number
of reasons. So this could this could manifest in nightmares.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Like there's some entities that that feed off of fear
for whatever reason, so they scare them the Jesus.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Out of you, why or give you a nightmare? Or
we have one client.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That would just she was a bubbly person, ever had
any voices you know, uh in her brain, but she
would she would should be told to do certain things.
So she had to actually manually in her mind think
about another positive thought to counter this this you know,
really strange thought that's coming into her head. So but
I always try to sit there. I never sit there,
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and you know, beyond the scan, I just said, yeah,
there's something going on. You know, maybe you know, what
have you been doing this week that's been different?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Oh you know, sometimes I'm.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Doing tero, I'm doing this, and then maybe try not
doing that this week and then we'll see what, you know,
what happens. So I always try to get them get
their vibration to, you know, up a little bit without
my having to pluck anything off, without any kind of
other interaction, because I can, I can normally see that
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there's some already some outward manifestation, something's going on with them.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
But I'm not I'm not always inclined to sit there, Hey,
you got some kind of dmon or something, because those
are two different things. Demons will actually have to go
through three different kinds of.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Stages, infestation, oppression, and then finally possession.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
All right, let's talk about it. Let's talk Let's talk
about demons on the other side of this break. All right. Explanation,
Doctor Corey Minnetani as our guest. We're talking this hour
about todayo Christian theology and demonology, and we're trying to
get a better grasp on whether or not it is
(39:31):
real because you believe it's real, or if it in
fact is real because it is real. I don't understand
how I can say that any other way. So we'll
be back on the other side of this break as
we continue hearing the exon with youustra LEI Rob McConnell
from our broadcast center at studios in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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Speaker 2 (41:30):
And welcome back everyone. This is the ex own, and
I must tell you about something that I'm going to
find very interesting happening next week. Next week, as many
of you know, is the first town hall meeting and
debate between current President Joe Biden and past President Donald Trump.
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And last night I had on the show Stephen Bassett
and we were talking about the significance of the ken
talking about the UFO experience. Now Steve was telling me,
or trying to explain to me how that if President
Biden said anything about the UFO UAP scenario pretending to disclosure,
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that it would be a blow for President Biden, and
it would be something that President Trump would pick up
very fast on and do his best to discredit the
entire UFO scenario. Something that was brought up last night,
and I had never heard this before, is that now
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members of the UFO community are claiming that these alleged visitors,
who they claim to have been here for hundreds, if
not thousands of years, are worried about the nuclear state
of our countries. How the world is just a heartbeat
(42:59):
of from nuclear annihilation. So it seems that the UFO
community is looking for more believers and now they're using well,
first of all, after move On, for example, they were
using the New Age connection. Other people are using the
Bigfoot connection. And now it seems that the nuclear threat
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is now becoming part of the UFO community. It's going
to be an interesting topic, interesting conversation, and Kevin Randall
and I will be having a special show that night
to discuss what happened, if anything in fact did happen,
and how it's going to play out in what many
believe is the UFO exposure that will be that will
(43:51):
be brought forward within weeks, if not months now. These
are the thing people who have been telling us this
for years. I've heard how many people say, well, disclosure
is just around the corner. Rob, you know you're going
to see two three months from now that disclosure will
have happened. We will have disclosure brought to the public
(44:15):
by President whoever the president is at that time, could
be Biden or whoever wins on the other side. I've
been hearing this story for thirty years now, so it's
kind of hard to put any faith in anything anymore
when it comes to eufology because they're all over the board.
(44:37):
So please bear with us when we have our show
on Thursday and we discuss the findings of the debate itself.
We won't go into any other aspect of the debate
except the UFO phenomenon. Doctor Corey, what's your stand on UFOs?
Speaker 4 (44:55):
I like them, I don't know. I think about him.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
I haven't been visited by any aliens, but I'm open
to the possibility.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Haven't had the UFO encounters, but I have. My father,
for example, is very into well it's not really in
the UFOs, but he believes that humans were actually.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Planted here on the earth. So that's his kind of religion.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Because he's very non religious organized religion, anti organized religion.
But he believes for years, as long as I've known
him all about this, you know, aliens dropping us off
and reading us to be on the earth.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
And then when the ancient aliens.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Show it, he's like, see, I told you.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
So that's how our family kind of deals with it.
But we'll do this wait and see thing.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
All.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Let's get back to how do you get a demon
or a entity off of a person? And you said
that you do the skin, you could see it on
their back and you get you know, you take it off.
How do you do that?
Speaker 10 (46:09):
Well, there's a lot of a lot of different ways,
you know, like say the exers the religious community will
use exorcism, uh sometimes the uh paging community will use
something called a banishment.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
The thicket community, they just they can get their mind
to kind of stretch out a little bit, kind of.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Like a little arm, and you just start tugging on it.
And that has corresponds with.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Old shamanic type of techniques when people had something on
their body and their art field or something like that,
they would they would do a similar technique. They would
go and go into the spirit world like a dream
and do the same thing. They would just actually, you know,
watch their dream body, uh grab this entity and pull
(46:56):
it off the person that are trying to help, and
so it's.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Very very similar thing.
Speaker 9 (47:01):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I do a lot of this stuff remotely, So I'll
just imagine the client there, spin them around, you know,
just uh spin the visualization of their body, and then
start pulling, pulling uh with my hand, my mind, uh
this entity and try to pluck it off. And usually
when you pluck it off, it's like a it's not
going to go. It doesn't like run and try to
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jump back.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
On the back. So it's it's kind of weird. But
this negative entity, it's almost like a leech it really,
you know, which is a little bit different than a demon.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
Demons are you know, come into classifications. They have kind
of a formerly human demon which I classify.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
As a damon. It's kind of like the kind of
a uh spin on it.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
And then there's actually the demon. Those are the fallen
angels from the Book of Enoch and so uh, you know,
we talk about power, the demons that are actually the
fallen angels are probably the more powerful ones because they're
beings of light.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
And then the people that are.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Demons, you know, they're just they're they're demon like, demonic entities,
but they're not as strong as you know, obviously as
a fallen angel would because.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
They were originally created.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Sure, now you're talking about the Book of Enoch, which
is part of the Bible. But what about the religions
that are around the world who do not subscribe to
the the Bible. The Bible is not part of their
belief How do they deal with these entities or is
(48:36):
it just those who read the Bible and who believe
in the Bible that are being infested by these entities
that are mentioned in the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 12 (48:46):
Well, no, yeah, it seems like the angels specifically mentioned
in the Book of Enoch do not you know, they're
they're in the Middle East, they're in the European Western nations,
but they're but like say that the Chinese.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
They've had Dallas magicians working. You know, they have records
going back three thousand, four thousand years pulling demons off
the Native Americans from way back in their in their
oral history. They have techniques doing that. So whatever these
beings are, these negative just negative entities. You know, they've
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been around in different, you know, very similar forms all
around the world.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
But there there does seem to be some kind.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Of hierarchy, and and those are usually attached to religion.
We'll see these in India. We'll see these negative entities
in Japan, India. Uh, you know, you know, North and
South America, all over place, Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Right, so they're all over the place. Let me ask
you this, Yeah, why doesn't they Creator just get rid
of them? Why do we humans have to suffer this?
If are create, who apparently is all knowing and all being,
why doesn't he just get say, hey, listen, whether you're
(50:08):
a demon or whether you're a entity, get lost. These
are my children. I'm not going to tolerate this any longer.
You're banished.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Well, it seems to be whatever religion that people prescribe
to or have faith or begin to have some faith. Right,
Let's say somebody is being harassed by a demon that
they don't believe in, that nonsense, blah blah blah blah blah.
But they eventually break down because they're kind of on
this oppression stage of being possessed by a demon, and
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so they're at their wits end. So even if they're
not Catholic, they might go to a Catholic priests say hey, I.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Need some help.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
But it seems like once that, it seems like because
of the free will, people can do whatever they want.
It seems like God's stepping back kind of a lass,
a fair hands off approach and waiting until they the
people that are suffering.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
As you say, go out and ask for the help.
They're not gonna He's not gonna sit there and seemingly
just remove it.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
Just to remove it, people are gonna have to go
over there and suffer enough to where they're like, all right,
I had enough and and maybe give one of these
holy people to help. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't,
you know. But uh, but that's the key. That's one
of the keys as far as I know, and I've
seen it work with the pagan community.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Might have a wicked priest and sip the entity goes away.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
You might have a psychic person or a shaman, a
Native American shaman sip the kahunas and Hawaii same thing. Uh,
you finally break down and go see the kahuna boop,
it goes away.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
So I think there's this.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Little bit that you have to kind of give a
tip of the hat or handshake.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
You have to kind of reach out a little bit.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
It's that reaching out which enables some of these folks
to get some relief.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
And I think that's the big key.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Wouldn't it be more beneficial for a person who believes
they are suffering from any physical or any mental cause
that is causing them to feel that they need help,
wouldn't it be better for them to go to see
a trained medical professionals?
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (52:21):
However, Uh for example, like if you go over there
and say, well, I'm I'm hearing voices, while the the
psychiatrists and the psychologists, you know, depending on which way
you go, they will they will, you know, fill you
full of.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Drugs so they'll they'll try to medicate the problem.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
You know, some of my clients have been heavily medicated
and they're still having the problems.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
They're like, Okay, well my doctor said to take.
Speaker 5 (52:45):
This, you know, to reduce the schizophrenia or the voices,
but uh, you know, but it's still going on.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Hey then I'm what are the voices saying, Corey?
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Corey, We've run out of time tonight. I want to
thank you very much for joining us and x oonation.
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