June 10, 2025 • 56 mins
Meet Dr. R. Craig Hogan, Ph.D., co‑founder of Seek Reality Online (seekreality.com) and a globally recognized authority on the afterlife and communication beyond the physical realm. As senior resident expert on the platform, he’s authored or edited eight insightful books—such as Your Eternal Self and Induced After‑Death Communication—and founded the nonprofit Afterlife Research and Education Institute (AREI) youtube.com+12seekreality.com+12seekreality.com+12. Through his writing, podcast appearances, video webinars, and live keynotes, Hogan blends scientific curiosity with deeply spiritual insights, teaching that the transition after death is painless and that beloved ones continue to communicate with us beyond the grave . His credentials span academia, business communications, and spiritual research. Formerly a professor and curriculum consultant, he created the “Self‑Guided Afterlife Communication” method—freely available online—to help individuals connect with those in the next life without intermediaries seekreality.com+6seekreality.com+6spreaker.com+6. Here’s one of his most compelling statements on the subject: Dr. R. Craig Hogan Talks About the Greater Reality In this featured video, Hogan highlights his core message: life continues beyond physical death, we retain consciousness, and reunion through communication is not only possible but transformative. Why Dr. Hogan’s work matters:
Dr. R. Craig Hogan is a trusted teacher, bridge-builder, and pioneer in the field of afterlife communication. He offers heartfelt reassurance, backed by research and lived experience, that consciousness persists—and that connection across life’s greatest frontier is both accessible and healing.
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- He merges empirical spiritual research with practical tools—like self-guided sessions—to demystify afterlife communication .
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Dr. R. Craig Hogan is a trusted teacher, bridge-builder, and pioneer in the field of afterlife communication. He offers heartfelt reassurance, backed by research and lived experience, that consciousness persists—and that connection across life’s greatest frontier is both accessible and healing.
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My guest, my first guest of this hour exone Nation.
We're welcoming a man whose work is helping to bridge
the gap between life, death and what lies beyond. Doctor
Craig Hogan one of the world's foremost researchers in afterlife
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studies and after death communication, with a background that merges
academic insight and spiritual inquiry. Doctor Hogan is the president
of the After Life Research and Educational Institute and co
author of Your Eternal Self, a book that challenges conventional
thinking and supports the idea that consciousness survives physical death. Now.
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Through the decades of research, Doctor Hogan has explored near
death experiences, mediumship, electronic communication all with the dead, and
groundbreaking tech niques like induced after life communication, which is
you know abbreviated to ia DC, all aimed at proving
that the human spirit does not end at a grave.
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Get ready, x O nation. Tonight we journey into the
mysteries of the afterlife with leading expert doctor Craig Hogan
and doctor Hogan, welcome back to the xone. Always great
having you with us.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
Yeah, thank you, Rob. I look forward to it. I
enjoy having these times together. It's great to talk about
the dead.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
So here we go, all right, doctor Hogan, What for
the listeners who have just joined our many networks? Can
you tell us a little bit about yourself and what
first inspired your research into the afterlife?
Speaker 8 (03:45):
Sure? Well. I originally was a graduate level professor in
business and I was the owner of several businesses. And
at about the age of fifty two, I started meeting psychics.
And I didn't believe in such as are a religion
or anything prior to that. And as I met these psychics,
they were saying things that were just incredible. I mean,
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how could these people know these things? And so I
delved into it further, and I went to a psychic
just to see what it would do. And she told
me that if you hold playing cards in your hand,
you'll be able to tell when they're face down. You'll
be able to tell what the color and the suit is.
And I thought, well, that's kind of strange. So I
went home and I tried it out. And I took
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a deck of cards and put one at the time
pull in my hand and laid them into two piles.
One was going to be black and one was going
to be red. And so then after I'd done about
twenty five of them, then I turned them over and
every one of the pile of black was black, and
everyone in the pile with red except one was red.
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So I realized that there's a whole lot more here
going on than I had accepted before that. And then
I started to find out about the idea of life
after death, what happens to people when the body, and
so I started meeting people who were this specialist in
this field, and it was astounding to me. And as
I got into it further than I started to delve
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into it, I got a circle, started a circle here
in Illinois, and I started to actually do the things
that these mediums were doing, and I found out that
we can communicate with the people who've left this life.
And the more I got into it, the more I
was able to do that the more I realized that
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life continues after the body dies, that it's a seamless continuation,
that we really are entirely the mind and we're not
the body. So when the body expires, we just keep ongoing.
We have a wonderful time in the next life where
we live with full bodies and we can do things there,
and the people who are there a joyous to come
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back and talk to us, And so I've been trying
to talk to them. I've been getting the information from them,
and now I'm trying to get it out to the world.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Doctor Hogan, how would you define the term afterlife in
a scientific or philosophical sense.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
Yeah, after life really is a misnomer because it isn't
an afterlife, it's the same life. So it really is
a seamless transition. So we're going it's like going from
adolescence into adulthood, you know, or for childhood into adolescence,
And there is a transition that we go at the
end of this life. And in order to do that,
we've got to get rid of the body, because we're
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not in the body, we're not part of the body.
We use the body. And so when we make that transition,
then the body has to die, and so that's what
we're left with. People who are still here see the
body going into the grave or else being put into
some other state, and as a result of that, then
we realize that the body's gone and the mind isn't
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there because the body's gone, but we know that the
mind has always been there. It's made a transition into
another state, but it was always alive, it never deviated.
The time of the passing at the end of this
life is very quick and there's no pain. There's no
pain involved in at all. And people on the other
side come back and tell us I didn't even realize
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that I was just there at one time, and then
all of a sudden I was here in the afterlife.
And so the afterlife then is just that next stage
of our lives, just like going from childhood into adolescence.
Then we go into the life after this life, and
that's what we call the afterlife.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
What types of evidence do you believe most strongly support
the existence of an afterlife?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Greg The strongest evidence we have is the fact that
people from the life after this life come back and
they talk to their loved ones here. So that's the
strongest evidence there's no doubt about the fact that they
do that. And so we have the recordings of people
who are speaking from the afterlife and they speak to
their loved ones here. And one of the people who
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was doing this work was named Leslie Flint, who was
a medium direct voice medium in the twentieth century, and
he would have people come into the room with him,
and the people from the afterlife for them would come
in and they would speak in the room audibly, you
could hear them. We have the recordings. We have over
two thousand of the recordings now and many of these
people were like children talking to their parents who were
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in the life after this life, or spouses talking to
their spouse, and so there are records that are up
to forty five minutes to an hour long of them
having casual conversations like they're talking over the breakfast table.
And these people then who are in the life after
this life are telling their loved ones what they were
doing the day before, what they did differently, how they
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redecorated their house, what their loved ones are doing, and
so we have these records now. We have many, many
thousands of these records now of people coming through from
that life and they speak to their loved ones here
and they vouch for the fact that it was their
loved one. Everything about them was the same, the voice
quality was the same, what they were saying was the same,
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and that they were telling them about the things that
they were doing in their lives currently. And so we
know that from these first hand accounts that people continue
to live after the body dies. There's simply no doubt
about that.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Now, can you explain the difference between objective and subjective
evidence of the afterlife?
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Yeah, the objective evidence that we have of the afterlife
is the testimonials from people who have their loved ones
come through. We also have a recording, so we have
electronic recordings of the people who come through, and these
electronic recordings recordings now you can listen to them. The
foremost researcher is Sonya Rinaldi in Brazil, and she actually
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does recordings in which she has parents call in and
she's done as many as one hundred and sixty three
different parents during one month, and they would call in
and then they would ask their questions of their loved one,
their child who was in spirit, and she would record
what they had said. And we actually have the audible
(10:10):
recordings that you can hear, and then the parents would say, yes,
that is my child, and they're just excited about it.
So we know that that's true that those recordings are objective.
Those are objective evidence. We have the subjective evidence as well.
People seventy percent of widows and widower would say that
they've had these experiences of their loved ones that have
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spoken to them either through mental subjective means or from
objective means. So we have both the subjective and the
objective evidence that we continue to live after the body dies.
There's no doubt about that. And we have the proof.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Now if we are just energy or the soul that
survives after we shed the meat suit, how then do
we How then do the spirits communicate in a voice
that can be recorded when there's nothing to generate a
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voice or an audio track that can be recorded.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Sure, that's reasonable. There are two things that are going
on here now. One of them is that when we
get those recordings, then the recordings for what's called a
direct voice medium, the recordings are of a voice that
comes through an ectoplasmic voice box, and ectoplasm is a
material that comes out of the medium's body and it
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forms the scientists on the other side form a voice
box from it. The person speaks for that voice box,
and then we have the recording of them. And that
then is one of the ways that we get these
recordings of people who are living in the life after
this life. The other way that we get these these
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recordings is by using the electronic media, using electronic technology,
and we get the recordings from these people who were
coming through and then they then are verified by their
loved ones who are here on this side of life,
and so through through both of these means, then we
get the recordings of the people living in the life
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after this life. Then we know that they're validated and
we know that they're true.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
What was it like the first time, Craig, that you
actually communicated with somebody on the other side, like this person,
you know, I can only imagine what it was like.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah, the most profound connection I've had was when I
went to a psychotherapist named Rochelle Wright in Washington State,
and Rochelle had learned a method of therapeutic counseling because
she was a state licensed counselor and she had learned
a therapeutic method called e MDR or Ey've Moved Moved,
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Desensitization and reprocessing. It's a breakthrough therapy method that that
takes care of trauma. They're using it with combat veterans
who have PTSD. It's a wonderful therapy method. And what
she found was that she could have people sitting in
her office have afterlife connections with the piece offul people
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for whom they're grieving, all right, So they're going into
brief therapy and she has have them have conversations with
them in their mind. She gets them into a state
of mind in which they're going to have the connection.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Craig, I'm gonna have to take break, come through, Craig,
I'm gonna have to take my break here. Please stand by, sure,
Doctor Craig Hogan has my special guest. We're talking about
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and Craig, how do you deal with skepticism? You know,
at one time you yourself were a skeptic, I believe,
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and yet here you were one of the world's leading
experts in afterlife communication.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
Yeah, I was absolutely a skeptic. I actually had gone
through a stint in which I was at Wheak College
weak in Illinois as a graduate professor in a Christian
ministries department. So I was thoroughly into religion by that
at that time. And then after that I gave up
on the religions because I didn't find that bit to
be true. And so then for a long time I
was just had no belief system of any kind. But
(16:38):
when I started having these encounters with people who understood
the truth, and I started looking at the evidence, and
the evidence was compelling. And then from the evidence that
I was receiving, and I started having my own experiences.
And you asked about one of the profound experiences that
I had, and I had an EMDR experience in which
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Rochelle Wright, who is the psychotherapist in Washington put me
into the state of mind in which I had my
own afterlife communication. And I then saw my grandparents and
they were sitting at a table and they saw me
in their house, and I was sobbing because they had
(17:20):
both passed and I saw them in this experience in
this me Mdr experience that was happening inside my mine.
And I saw them and they said to me very clearly,
nothing could last further. We love you and we look
forward to having you when you come over to this side.
And then I saw my parents. They come in and
they talked to me full well, and I said, Then
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Rochelle Wright said to me, is there anything else you'd
like to ask of anybody? And I said, yes, where
is all this going to go? All my studies that
I'm doing now of the afterlife and after life communication?
And when I closed my eyes, immediately it came up
a long table with people sitting on either side and
they were applotting and at the end of it was
(18:05):
an easel and it had all kinds of drawings on it,
and they said, the plan is in place. Just follow
the plan, and this is a profound experience. Anyone can
have that experience. Anyone can have a communication with people
they love, can get messages from them. They can do
it either by going to someone like the E. Mdr.
Psychotherapists or doctor Alan Botkin, who is another psychotherapist in
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Liberty of Illinois who does the same thing, or they
can they can just go into it. We have a
training program online where we teach people how to have
their own afterlife communications. It's free, it's online. We invite
people to get on it and just have an experience,
and they can get to that by going to seek
reality dot com. And we just love to have people
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and then I help people who go through that experience
if they would like to have it.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
With all the geopolitical unrest in the world, does this
affect how the communication is done with the other side
And do the other side ever talk about things that
are happening on this side of the veil?
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Yes, it does interfere, so that all the turmoil that's
going on in the world right now does interfere with
the afterlife communication. They are very aware of, and of
course they follow this because you realize that people who
live in the life after this life are exactly the
same as they work here and they grow into that life,
they grow from there, but they are aware of things
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that are happening. They have the same sentiments, the same sadness,
the same happiness, and so then they're watching what goes
on and the ear explained and they're dismayed as the
fact that it is becoming increasingly turmoil and that there
are difficulties that we're having here and we needn't have them.
That their message to us is, you don't need to
have these this turmoil. You don't need to have the
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antagonism that we have. If we just understood the fact
that we are eternally having a physical experience and that
we are so journals with each other in this period
in our lives, this brief period in our lives, and
if we just will open ourselves to love and compassion
for other people, we can live in what amounts do
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I happen on earth? And that's what they say to us,
and that's why they feel very sad that we are
not able to have the lives with each other that
we should be having. And they tell us that this
world now is because they come down into this world.
It's like penetrating a deep dark fog, is what they say,
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because of the turmoil in the world. We can change
this world. We just have to as a species, change
our love and compassion for one another.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
It's almost as if the way to live in perfect
harmony with one another is very simple. But yet we
as humans call implicated.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Yeah, we do, and we were brought up that way.
So in other words, we are reared in cultures that
are primitive. We are vastly ahead of where we would
think we might be at this time in humanity history,
in AI in what we do. We can send people
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into space, we can send satellites around distant objects, and
we're technologically so advanced, but we are spiritually backwards. We
are still in caves. We're still in the Stone Age spiritually,
and so we just have to mature. We have to
grow up. And the way to do that is for
people to understand this, to look at the evidence and
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to understand the fact that we are eternal beings, that
we are brothers and sisters with one another. We are
united with one another, and if we just change our
attitude towards one another, we will grow in love and
compassionates and natural state. At the basis of our reality,
of the basis of our nature is love, and all
we have to do is allow that loved to come out.
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The reason we know that is because people have such
wonderful experiences when they feel love for someone and feel
they are loved by someone else. That's the basis of
our reality. So we just have to allow that love
to come through.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
How does the religious philosophies that people belong to, how
does this affect these Well, let me just look at
it this way. It seems to me that religion stagnates
the actual progression of life.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Yeah, what Carl Jung said was that religion is a
mechanism against having a religious experience. And what that means
is that by being part of a religion and accepting
dogma from the religion, that we're not going inside and
having these direct spiritual experiences. Our spiritual experiences are not
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going to come from a religion. We can get excited
by a religion, and we can get excited being in
a congregation of singing songs, and that's excitement, but that's
not spiritual. And even though that people would say that
it's spiritual, we get spiritual by going inside. That's what
Yeshua said. Yeshua whose name came down to us as Jesus,
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and what he was saying is that the mind of
God is inside. We are the mind of God, and
that we then will allow that to shine through and
we will have love and compassion for others if we
just give up on the trappings, give up on the nonsense.
The Buddhists said the same thing that the way to
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have no suffering in this world is to give up
on all the cravings, all the expectations, And so religion
gets in the way. Religion just keeps people from going
inside and making those discoveries and becoming a spiritual person.
So if we can just get rid of the religions,
that would do a great amount of helping humanity mature spiritually.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
It must be very hard for those who belong to
an established a religious philosophy to hear that, you know what,
you've got it all wrong, You've got it all wrong.
And you know, if they were to understand and to
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accept what you and I talk about whenever if we
have the pleasure of having you on the show, Craig,
is that we don't have to fear death. We should
embrace it.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
Yeah, that's it. And what they are doing is stultifying.
What they're doing is they're actually being obstacles to having
a spiritual experience. A spiritual experience is something that you
have internally. It's something that you have that is engaged
in love and compassion and concern for others. And we
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have that when we stop with any of the dogma,
the dogma can be scientific. Materialists have their own dogma.
The scientists who are materialists have their own dogma the
same way the religions do, and we have to give
up on the religions. We have to give up on
the science dogma and accept the fact that we are
one with each other. We're one family, we're brothers and sisters.
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And when we do that and we allow the love
to come through, it shines, It comes out naturally. It's
who we are. We want the love, we want the
feeling of companionship with each other. We want to feel
like other people love us and we want to love them,
and that will come through naturally if we just take
off the shell that's an almost impenetrable shell that is
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keeping us from allowing those to come out.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Craig's staying bye. We've got to take our break at
the bottom of the hour and exhonation, our very special
guest this hour is our good friend, doctor Craig Hogan.
And for more information about doctor Hogan and the work
that they do, along with another good lady that we've
had the pleasure of having here on the show of
mister Berta Grimes, visit www dot seek reality dot Com.
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I'm Rob McConnell. This is the X Zone and the
Good Doctor and I will be back on the other
side of this very short break here in the X Zone.
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And welcome back for talking about after life experiences and
after life communication. This hour hearing the ex own doctor
Craig Hogan is my guest and his website is seek
reality dot com. Craig, are there patterns you've observed among
people who have had near death experiences or what we
in the biz called NDEs.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Yeah, the near death experience has a profound effect upon
people and the reason for that is because they do
have a real encounter. Now we know the fact that
the near death experience occurs when the body is shut down.
In other words, then the first thing to go when
when a body becomes anoxic when it's not getting oxygen,
is that the processing mental processing goes away and they
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have no memories that can't bring memories back during that
period of time and a new death experience, they actually
have more profound memories. They have experiences that they couldn't
possibly have that were when the body is shut down.
And so during these near death experiences, then what people
do is they do have encounters with their loved ones
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living in the life after this life. They learn things.
They all go through the similar experiences they have, the
bright light and the feeling going down the tunnel, the
presence that is a divine presence of a loving divine presence,
and so then we know that these are the same
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kinds of experiences and that they are on the threshold
of the life after this life. They don't make it there,
so it is different from what happens when they make
the transition, but it is definitely the glimpse into the
life after this life. There's a small minority. There are
five percent of them that are negative, in other words,
because they are in trauma, the body is being spulated,
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people are moving the body around than they are having
a bad dream. That's only five percent, and it never
is There's nothing about it that is similar among these experiences,
so we know that they're just from the body. But
the other experiences, the near death experiences, are wonderful. People
come away from them then with the psychic abilities, their
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abilities to change. Their mental makeup has changed. They're more loving,
more compassionate, and they have some psychicabilities. So we know
that it has a profound effect upon them. And that's
another indication of the fact that this is a real
encounter at the threshold of the life after this life,
which will be a wonderful experience when we do make
that transition all the way through.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Craig can you explain the concept of induced after life
communication or what is known as IADC and how it works.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Sure, Doctor Alan Bodkin and at Libertyville, VA Hospital was
doing EMDR I movement Desensitization and reprocessing with his combat
vets and it has a wonderful effect on them. It
takes care of their PTSD. And he was having one
in which he had the soldier tell him after he
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opened his eyes from his mental experience that he had
meant he had met the woman for whom he was grieving.
She was an orphan girl from Vietnam, and he had
seen her, he had grown to love her while he
was in Vietnam, and he watched her being killed. She
was killed through her body. And so he then had
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this experience in which she came to him and that
she wasn't a little twelve year old girl anymore. She
was a beautiful young woman, and she said to him,
you don't need to feel bad about me. I'm wonderful
now I know where I am and we will soon
have our own encounter with each other. And so he
realized that he had something here he was not ready
for that. He wasn't going to induce that to death communications.
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He was just giving an EMDR and so then he
studied it to find out what happened. And he found
out that by putting the person into an EMDR state
of mind, that then they would go with whatever happened
to them. And he would say, just allow whatever happens
to happen, wherever it goes, let it go. And then
people were spontaneously having after that communications and that was
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happening sixty to seventy percent of the time when he
would have a client come through. And so he realized
that this is a wonderful phenomenon, and then he and
I wrote a book about it together. We co authored
a book about what he was doing. And then he
and Rochelle Wright, who was in Washington. She improved on
his method, and then I wrote a book with her
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as well. And so this method of using EMDR I movement,
desensitization and reprocessing is a really wonderful way. And now
we have hundreds of psychotherapists and anybody can get to
them by going to our website at repair Attachments dot
com or to the IADC website which is IADC hyphen
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dot com, and they can find the psychotherapist there.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Craig.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
How reliable are mediums or psychics when it comes to
actually channeling messages from the deceased. Now, I'm the first
one to agree that there are true psychics and true mediums. However,
there are those who have a little bit more of
a sinister plot in mind. How can somebody find the
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true psychic and the true medium.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Yeah, and it is true that there are very good
mediums and their mediums that are not so good mediums
have been studied. There were a series of studies that
were done at the University of Arizona mediums including people
like John Edwards who was one of the television mediums,
and they were studied and they came up with success
rates in being able to ascertain what a person in
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spirit was saying to their loved one on this side
of life at about three point five out of four points.
So it was very strong. And so then they realize
the fact that this is true, that mediums do have
messages from loved ones living after a life. But the
fact is that there are many people who are not
mediums who don't realize that there is such a thing
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as mediumship. They just think that every medium is faking it,
and so then these people hang up a shingle and
they say, well, we'll do readings for you. They're in
the telephone book and you can get them out of
yellow Pages. But they are Charlotte's there, and they are
not true mediums, even if they don't realize it. And
the reason the way to find out if a medium
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is genuine is the medium should first say that there
is a person, and that what the relationship of the
person is to you when you're having a reading, and
then should say evidential things. Evidential things mean they tell
you things that that a medium couldn't have known, even
if they looked on Internet for things about it, they
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couldn't have known. John Edward had one in the University
of Arizona Studies in which he said, I see a
wedding party, and I see two poodles. One is black,
one is white, and the two poodles ravaged through the
wedding and tore up everything in the wedding. And sure enough,
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that's exactly what happened. That was true. I had a
medium say to me, you know, I keep seeing punk
Satani and I don't know why I keep seeing punk
SATONI I keep seeing the punk Satani Phil who's a
groundhog that comes out and easy shadows and there's six
more weeks of winter, and she said, I said, well,
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it's because my father was born in punk Satani. And
she said, but he's telling me that there are four
it's in your family, and I said, yes, that's right.
I am. My first name is Robert, even though my
middle name is Craig, and my father's name, my grandfather's
name of Mike, and my cousin's name are all Robert.
So she's right, that's evidential. Expect that out of the medium.
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The medium can do that because the people on the
other side of life want to show that they are there,
want to show that it is really them. So if
you demand evidence and don't accept things like, oh, there's
someoney coming through from their other life and it's somebody
who's older. Of course, everybody has people who are older
in the afterlife and they're sending their love to you. Well,
of course they're sending their love. So those are not evidential.
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But if you require an evidential medium to give you
the evidence, they will be able to give it to you.
That's the way you find.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Out, Craig, how does afterlife communication work along with the
belief in reincarnation.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Yeah, the reincarnation is misunderstood. We're being told this from
the people living in the life after this life. What
they say is that we do not reincarnate. In other words,
we don't come back as a new person. We stay
the individuals we are throughout eternity. And what happens is
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that other people from our higher self, which is a
group of souls. Our higher self has new people come
into this life, and they will come here and they
may take a piece from our life, or a fragment
from our life, or even a whole framework from our life.
And so what they're doing is they're repeating things from
our life, and we're intertwined with them. So a past
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life regression isn't really a past life. It is another
life regression. It's that other person's life that we're seeing
in the past life regression. And so then then we
know that we continue to live. We have one person
who came through in Anthony Borisch's book Life in the
World Unseen, which I really recommend anybody read if you
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want to understand the afterlife. But Anthony Borges's book then
he said he had been there for a thousand years.
We have people coming through from the Roman Empire, and
you know from Confucius came through from the fourth century BC.
Everyone lives on. We continue, we continue our individuality. We
have someone else incarnate and we are intertwined with them.
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That's where the past life regressions come from. They should
really be called other life regressions.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
We've only got about two minutes left in this final segment, Craig,
I'm sorry. The next segment is the final segment in
your view, what happens to consciousness at the moment of
physical death.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah, what happens is that that consciousness continues, so it
is seamless. There are a great number of things that
happened during that period of time when the body stops
functioning and the person then assumes their new identity in
the afterlife, and it really is the person. They're just
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the body just stops running, that's all, but we are
the same person. But there are a great many ways
in which that happens. And some people, then if they're
coming to the end of their life after a long illness,
they will see their loved ones coming into the room
from the afterlife and they'll be raising their hands to
the ceiling because they can see them and they'll talk
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to them and they're being guided into the next life.
When that transition happens into the next life, it's seamless.
People don't even realize it happens. They think they're still
on earth. And we have one incident in which a
man was in a car and he was driving with
his fiance's sister, and they were driving down the road
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and it was at night, and they were blinded by
a truck coming at them. The car lights of a
truck coming at them, and then all of a sudden,
they he and his fiance sister were rising up out
of the car and they as they rose up out
of the car, they watched the accident happened below them,
thirty feet below. And they came through in the life
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after this life and said that they explained that this happened.
No one feels pain at the transition. Everyone makes a
seamless transition into the next life. Sometimes it can be sudden.
We have a man who.
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They breathe and to welcome back everyone. Doctor Craig Cogan
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First of all, Craig is always thank you so much
for joining us. All is a great pleasure talking to you.
And has there been any more advances in research when
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it comes to the afterlife. Not for those who believe
like yourself will have had the evidence presented to you
through you, but for those who just cannot fathom the
idea that life does continue.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
Yeah, we have the evidence and we are gaining more
evidence all of the time. We're having more methods. We
now have a total that I explain of fifteen different
methods by which people can meet with their loved ones.
Who are living in the afterlife, and that is the
best evidence. The best evidence is when people have their
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own communication, they actually speak to they get responses from
their loved ones living in the afterlife. And so what
we're trying to do is we're trying to promote more
of that. Do you have efforts that are being made
in electronics because of the fact that now electronics are
becoming commonplace and everybody's life, and as a result of that,
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then they are going to be able to communicate from
life after this life through electronics. Sonia Ronaldi in Brazil
is doing work with electronics in helping people to communicate.
She's helping parents to communicate with their children especially. But
we're now in a new era with Sonia in which
those celestial entities who are helping us, who are trying
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to help humankind to rise out of the difficulties that
it's having and trying to help us understand the fact
that we continue to live after the body dies, and
she's getting constant communication now, very very clear communication, and
which they are going to be giving us new methods.
They are going to be more methods by which we
can communicate. And so we have an entire website that
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we're going to be devoting to her work and helping
people to have these experiences, and eventually we're hoping to
have people able to chat with their loved one living
in the afterlife through electronic means. That's the goal, and
we believe that that is in the future, that we
are that close to doing. We can see it in
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the future, and all we have to do now is
make it come to fruition, and that's what we're working on.
Speaker 7 (46:24):
Craig. If this existence that you and I are presently in,
why do we have to worry then about paying the rent,
you know, physical pain? What we have to worry about tomorrow?
If all this is just part of a matrix reality,
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because once we're finished here, we go continue to another reality.
So how do we blend or how do we justify
the fact that this is a matrix Whatever we do
or do not do well have no effect on what
happens when we continue this journey.
Speaker 8 (47:06):
Yeah, we just have to be born into it. We
just have to realize the truth. Because if people realize
the truth, the fact that we needn't worry about what's
going on here because we're going to make the transition
and go into the next life. And the Buddhists saw
this and they said the four Noble truths. The first
one was that the world is suffering, but it isn't suffering.
That is in the world is suffering that we create,
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that we make ourselves. And the second noble truth is
that we do it by craving things, wanting things like
expecting our life to be in a certain way, and
not accepting what it is that's in our lives. And
so if we can come to the point at which
we realize that we are eternal beings having a very
brief physical experience, and that we will continue after this
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body dies, then we can regard ourselves and others in
our lives differently. We can be differently, we can have
more love and compassion. And what we have to do
is we have to give up on all of those
old beliefs. We have to give up on all of
those things that we were taught as children, because they're falsehoods.
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They're primitive, they came out of the Stone Age, and
we are still believing those things. We're believing that we
don't know that the body dies and the brain dies
with it, and that means the mind dies or that
we have to get everything we can get out of
this life because there's only this life and that's all
that there is and if we can just get past
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that of it. And so when people do that, when
they evolve out of those beliefs into an understanding that
we are so journals, we are compatriots in this life,
and that we can have love and peace and joy.
All we have to do is take it. All we
have to do is is realize that it's there and
enjoy it with other people that will make the difference
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in our lives.
Speaker 7 (48:56):
Once again, I understand what you're saying, and so many
other people are starting to tune into the afterlife and
what actually happens. But there's a lot of people out there, Craig,
who you start talking about, you know, communicating with the
dead and how easy it is, and they look at
you if you have three heads.
Speaker 8 (49:18):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
So how do we as believers work together in order
to prove to the skeptics that we're not nuts. We
don't have three heads, but we're very serious and we
want to give them a very important life altering message
that will change their lives forever.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
Yeah. Yeah, all we can do is share, so we
can share what we know to be true, share the
evidence that we know to be true. And where we
know that there are ways that people can communicate with
their load ones, we need to teach them how to
do that. We need to make that available to them.
Because if you have a real encounter with your her
uncle Jim or your grandma Ethel and she is now
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living in the life after this life, and if you
have a real encounter with communicating with them, that changes
you as a person. It's like having a dear death experience.
You become a different person. So what we're trying to
do is we're trying to make more of these methods
of afterlife communication available that will make a difference for humankind.
When it becomes commonplace, when anybody can have these communications,
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then the families will talk about them. It will be
possible that the family sitting around the breakfast table, maybe
having the breakfast, and little Jimmy says, oh, Grandma's here,
and everybody says say hi to Grandma. Grandma's here. Grandma's
been dead for fifteen years. When we have those kinds
of conversations and accept the reality that our loved ones
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are here, then humankind will change, It'll be a different humanity,
and we can expect that, we can look forward to
that it will come in the future. We're just a
point of trying to make it happen now, just by
giving people the information, giving people the insights, helping them
to have their own communication, that will make a difference
for humankind.
Speaker 7 (51:11):
Well, couldn't we use the Bible to help with this,
especially when we look at the crucifixion, and that you
know for forty days and forty nights the spirit or
the physical being of Jesus lived with his apostles. Could
this be interpreted as proof of the afterlife?
Speaker 8 (51:33):
Yes, we know that in fact to be true. That
Yeshua or Jesus did in fact appear to his disciples,
and that is a common thing that happens after a
person passes into the next life. And he did come
back to spend time with his apostles and his followers,
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the many followers, the five hundred, and he did spend
time with him, and so he appeared to them, he
talked to them, and he did that to show them
the fact that that we will continue to live after
the body dies. That was his purpose, his purpose wasn't
to say that he was a god. You know, his
purpose was to help. He was the great teacher. He
was the person who gave us that information. The Gnostics
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had a better view of it than the Christians do.
And if we can just get past this idea that
somehow that Jesus is a god and that we have
to be obedience and that if we don't like Jesus
enough then we're going to go to hell and all
these mythologies that have built up because the religions have mythologies.
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The mythologies have to go. But the truth, the essence
of the truth, and what yesually Jesus was saying is
important for us to learn. And so we should go
back to those teachings and understand the profound truths that
he was speaking, and that will make a difference for humankind.
Speaker 7 (53:02):
My last question for you tonight, Craig, is because I've
got just about two minutes before I have to stay
so long, is what ethical considerations arise when attempting to
contact the deceased.
Speaker 8 (53:15):
Yeah, there are no ethical considerations in the sense that
it's bad or wrong or something like that. We will
be able to communicate with our loved ones anytime we want,
so that we are freely available to communicate, just as
though they had gone into the next room or we
would call them on the phone, because they're living in
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the next city. So it is a profoundly wonderful experience
that they want to have with us. They're anxious to
communicate with us, and so we can communicate with them,
and we just have to do it. I just have
to relax, allow them to come into our mind, allow
them to speak to us, and they will speak to us.
And there's nothing bad about that. There is nothing secretly
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just about that, or any of the mythologies about from
the Old Testament about not speaking to mediums and all
of that nonsense. It is a wonderful experience. Everyone should
have it. Their loved ones want to have it with
them on the other side, and they can have it
and it can make a difference in their lives.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
Craig, as always, time goes by so fast when you're
with us. First of all, thank you so much for
joining us tonight and let our listeners know how they
can find out more about you and the great work
that you and Roberta do.
Speaker 8 (54:26):
Yeah, it's been a pleasure. And they can go to
seek Reality dot Com and there we are putting up
all of the latest things that we're discovering, articles and
videos and anything that we can put up that will
help people to understand that we are eternal beings having
a physical experience, and we will continue after the body
dies and we can communicate with our loved ones living
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in the next life.
Speaker 7 (54:51):
Doctor Craig Hogan, take care of yourself. Thank you once again,
and I look forward to the next time you join
us back here in the axone.
Speaker 8 (54:58):
Thank you, it's been a pleasure.
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Sure? Well. I originally was a graduate level professor in
business and I was the owner of several businesses. And
at about the age of fifty two, I started meeting psychics.
And I didn't believe in such as are a religion
or anything prior to that. And as I met these psychics,
they were saying things that were just incredible. I mean,
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delved into it further, and I went to a psychic
just to see what it would do. And she told
me that if you hold playing cards in your hand,
you'll be able to tell when they're face down. You'll
be able to tell what the color and the suit is.
And I thought, well, that's kind of strange. So I
went home and I tried it out. And I took
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a deck of cards and put one at the time
pull in my hand and laid them into two piles.
One was going to be black and one was going
to be red. And so then after I'd done about
twenty five of them, then I turned them over and
every one of the pile of black was black, and
everyone in the pile with red except one was red.
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So I realized that there's a whole lot more here
going on than I had accepted before that. And then
I started to find out about the idea of life
after death, what happens to people when the body, and
so I started meeting people who were this specialist in
this field, and it was astounding to me. And as
I got into it further than I started to delve
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into it, I got a circle, started a circle here
in Illinois, and I started to actually do the things
that these mediums were doing, and I found out that
we can communicate with the people who've left this life.
And the more I got into it, the more I
was able to do that the more I realized that
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life continues after the body dies, that it's a seamless continuation,
that we really are entirely the mind and we're not
the body. So when the body expires, we just keep ongoing.
We have a wonderful time in the next life where
we live with full bodies and we can do things there,
and the people who are there a joyous to come
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back and talk to us, And so I've been trying
to talk to them. I've been getting the information from them,
and now I'm trying to get it out to the world.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Doctor Hogan, how would you define the term afterlife in
a scientific or philosophical sense.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
Yeah, after life really is a misnomer because it isn't
an afterlife, it's the same life. So it really is
a seamless transition. So we're going it's like going from
adolescence into adulthood, you know, or for childhood into adolescence,
And there is a transition that we go at the
end of this life. And in order to do that,
we've got to get rid of the body, because we're
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not in the body, we're not part of the body.
We use the body. And so when we make that transition,
then the body has to die, and so that's what
we're left with. People who are still here see the
body going into the grave or else being put into
some other state, and as a result of that, then
we realize that the body's gone and the mind isn't
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there because the body's gone, but we know that the
mind has always been there. It's made a transition into
another state, but it was always alive, it never deviated.
The time of the passing at the end of this
life is very quick and there's no pain. There's no
pain involved in at all. And people on the other
side come back and tell us I didn't even realize
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that I was just there at one time, and then
all of a sudden I was here in the afterlife.
And so the afterlife then is just that next stage
of our lives, just like going from childhood into adolescence.
Then we go into the life after this life, and
that's what we call the afterlife.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
What types of evidence do you believe most strongly support
the existence of an afterlife?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Greg The strongest evidence we have is the fact that
people from the life after this life come back and
they talk to their loved ones here. So that's the
strongest evidence there's no doubt about the fact that they
do that. And so we have the recordings of people
who are speaking from the afterlife and they speak to
their loved ones here. And one of the people who
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was doing this work was named Leslie Flint, who was
a medium direct voice medium in the twentieth century, and
he would have people come into the room with him,
and the people from the afterlife for them would come
in and they would speak in the room audibly, you
could hear them. We have the recordings. We have over
two thousand of the recordings now and many of these
people were like children talking to their parents who were
(08:20):
in the life after this life, or spouses talking to
their spouse, and so there are records that are up
to forty five minutes to an hour long of them
having casual conversations like they're talking over the breakfast table.
And these people then who are in the life after
this life are telling their loved ones what they were
doing the day before, what they did differently, how they
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redecorated their house, what their loved ones are doing, and
so we have these records now. We have many, many
thousands of these records now of people coming through from
that life and they speak to their loved ones here
and they vouch for the fact that it was their
loved one. Everything about them was the same, the voice
quality was the same, what they were saying was the same,
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and that they were telling them about the things that
they were doing in their lives currently. And so we
know that from these first hand accounts that people continue
to live after the body dies. There's simply no doubt
about that.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Now, can you explain the difference between objective and subjective
evidence of the afterlife?
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Yeah, the objective evidence that we have of the afterlife
is the testimonials from people who have their loved ones
come through. We also have a recording, so we have
electronic recordings of the people who come through, and these
electronic recordings recordings now you can listen to them. The
foremost researcher is Sonya Rinaldi in Brazil, and she actually
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does recordings in which she has parents call in and
she's done as many as one hundred and sixty three
different parents during one month, and they would call in
and then they would ask their questions of their loved one,
their child who was in spirit, and she would record
what they had said. And we actually have the audible
(10:10):
recordings that you can hear, and then the parents would say, yes,
that is my child, and they're just excited about it.
So we know that that's true that those recordings are objective.
Those are objective evidence. We have the subjective evidence as well.
People seventy percent of widows and widower would say that
they've had these experiences of their loved ones that have
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spoken to them either through mental subjective means or from
objective means. So we have both the subjective and the
objective evidence that we continue to live after the body dies.
There's no doubt about that. And we have the proof.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Now if we are just energy or the soul that
survives after we shed the meat suit, how then do
we How then do the spirits communicate in a voice
that can be recorded when there's nothing to generate a
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voice or an audio track that can be recorded.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Sure, that's reasonable. There are two things that are going
on here now. One of them is that when we
get those recordings, then the recordings for what's called a
direct voice medium, the recordings are of a voice that
comes through an ectoplasmic voice box, and ectoplasm is a
material that comes out of the medium's body and it
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forms the scientists on the other side form a voice
box from it. The person speaks for that voice box,
and then we have the recording of them. And that
then is one of the ways that we get these
recordings of people who are living in the life after
this life. The other way that we get these these
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recordings is by using the electronic media, using electronic technology,
and we get the recordings from these people who were
coming through and then they then are verified by their
loved ones who are here on this side of life,
and so through through both of these means, then we
get the recordings of the people living in the life
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after this life. Then we know that they're validated and
we know that they're true.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
What was it like the first time, Craig, that you
actually communicated with somebody on the other side, like this person,
you know, I can only imagine what it was like.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah, the most profound connection I've had was when I
went to a psychotherapist named Rochelle Wright in Washington State,
and Rochelle had learned a method of therapeutic counseling because
she was a state licensed counselor and she had learned
a therapeutic method called e MDR or Ey've Moved Moved,
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Desensitization and reprocessing. It's a breakthrough therapy method that that
takes care of trauma. They're using it with combat veterans
who have PTSD. It's a wonderful therapy method. And what
she found was that she could have people sitting in
her office have afterlife connections with the piece offul people
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for whom they're grieving, all right, So they're going into
brief therapy and she has have them have conversations with
them in their mind. She gets them into a state
of mind in which they're going to have the connection.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Craig, I'm gonna have to take break, come through, Craig,
I'm gonna have to take my break here. Please stand by, sure,
Doctor Craig Hogan has my special guest. We're talking about
the afterlife, communicating with the afterlife, and much more. You
can almost send me an email x audodex on radio
TV dot com and uh doctor Hogan and I return
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and Craig, how do you deal with skepticism? You know,
at one time you yourself were a skeptic, I believe,
(16:10):
and yet here you were one of the world's leading
experts in afterlife communication.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
Yeah, I was absolutely a skeptic. I actually had gone
through a stint in which I was at Wheak College
weak in Illinois as a graduate professor in a Christian
ministries department. So I was thoroughly into religion by that
at that time. And then after that I gave up
on the religions because I didn't find that bit to
be true. And so then for a long time I
was just had no belief system of any kind. But
(16:38):
when I started having these encounters with people who understood
the truth, and I started looking at the evidence, and
the evidence was compelling. And then from the evidence that
I was receiving, and I started having my own experiences.
And you asked about one of the profound experiences that
I had, and I had an EMDR experience in which
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Rochelle Wright, who is the psychotherapist in Washington put me
into the state of mind in which I had my
own afterlife communication. And I then saw my grandparents and
they were sitting at a table and they saw me
in their house, and I was sobbing because they had
(17:20):
both passed and I saw them in this experience in
this me Mdr experience that was happening inside my mine.
And I saw them and they said to me very clearly,
nothing could last further. We love you and we look
forward to having you when you come over to this side.
And then I saw my parents. They come in and
they talked to me full well, and I said, Then
(17:45):
Rochelle Wright said to me, is there anything else you'd
like to ask of anybody? And I said, yes, where
is all this going to go? All my studies that
I'm doing now of the afterlife and after life communication?
And when I closed my eyes, immediately it came up
a long table with people sitting on either side and
they were applotting and at the end of it was
(18:05):
an easel and it had all kinds of drawings on it,
and they said, the plan is in place. Just follow
the plan, and this is a profound experience. Anyone can
have that experience. Anyone can have a communication with people
they love, can get messages from them. They can do
it either by going to someone like the E. Mdr.
Psychotherapists or doctor Alan Botkin, who is another psychotherapist in
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Liberty of Illinois who does the same thing, or they
can they can just go into it. We have a
training program online where we teach people how to have
their own afterlife communications. It's free, it's online. We invite
people to get on it and just have an experience,
and they can get to that by going to seek
reality dot com. And we just love to have people
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and then I help people who go through that experience
if they would like to have it.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
With all the geopolitical unrest in the world, does this
affect how the communication is done with the other side
And do the other side ever talk about things that
are happening on this side of the veil?
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Yes, it does interfere, so that all the turmoil that's
going on in the world right now does interfere with
the afterlife communication. They are very aware of, and of
course they follow this because you realize that people who
live in the life after this life are exactly the
same as they work here and they grow into that life,
they grow from there, but they are aware of things
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that are happening. They have the same sentiments, the same sadness,
the same happiness, and so then they're watching what goes
on and the ear explained and they're dismayed as the
fact that it is becoming increasingly turmoil and that there
are difficulties that we're having here and we needn't have them.
That their message to us is, you don't need to
have these this turmoil. You don't need to have the
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antagonism that we have. If we just understood the fact
that we are eternally having a physical experience and that
we are so journals with each other in this period
in our lives, this brief period in our lives, and
if we just will open ourselves to love and compassion
for other people, we can live in what amounts do
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I happen on earth? And that's what they say to us,
and that's why they feel very sad that we are
not able to have the lives with each other that
we should be having. And they tell us that this
world now is because they come down into this world.
It's like penetrating a deep dark fog, is what they say,
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because of the turmoil in the world. We can change
this world. We just have to as a species, change
our love and compassion for one another.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
It's almost as if the way to live in perfect
harmony with one another is very simple. But yet we
as humans call implicated.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Yeah, we do, and we were brought up that way.
So in other words, we are reared in cultures that
are primitive. We are vastly ahead of where we would
think we might be at this time in humanity history,
in AI in what we do. We can send people
(21:26):
into space, we can send satellites around distant objects, and
we're technologically so advanced, but we are spiritually backwards. We
are still in caves. We're still in the Stone Age spiritually,
and so we just have to mature. We have to
grow up. And the way to do that is for
people to understand this, to look at the evidence and
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to understand the fact that we are eternal beings, that
we are brothers and sisters with one another. We are
united with one another, and if we just change our
attitude towards one another, we will grow in love and
compassionates and natural state. At the basis of our reality,
of the basis of our nature is love, and all
we have to do is allow that loved to come out.
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The reason we know that is because people have such
wonderful experiences when they feel love for someone and feel
they are loved by someone else. That's the basis of
our reality. So we just have to allow that love
to come through.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
How does the religious philosophies that people belong to, how
does this affect these Well, let me just look at
it this way. It seems to me that religion stagnates
the actual progression of life.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Yeah, what Carl Jung said was that religion is a
mechanism against having a religious experience. And what that means
is that by being part of a religion and accepting
dogma from the religion, that we're not going inside and
having these direct spiritual experiences. Our spiritual experiences are not
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going to come from a religion. We can get excited
by a religion, and we can get excited being in
a congregation of singing songs, and that's excitement, but that's
not spiritual. And even though that people would say that
it's spiritual, we get spiritual by going inside. That's what
Yeshua said. Yeshua whose name came down to us as Jesus,
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and what he was saying is that the mind of
God is inside. We are the mind of God, and
that we then will allow that to shine through and
we will have love and compassion for others if we
just give up on the trappings, give up on the nonsense.
The Buddhists said the same thing that the way to
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have no suffering in this world is to give up
on all the cravings, all the expectations, And so religion
gets in the way. Religion just keeps people from going
inside and making those discoveries and becoming a spiritual person.
So if we can just get rid of the religions,
that would do a great amount of helping humanity mature spiritually.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
It must be very hard for those who belong to
an established a religious philosophy to hear that, you know what,
you've got it all wrong, You've got it all wrong.
And you know, if they were to understand and to
(24:38):
accept what you and I talk about whenever if we
have the pleasure of having you on the show, Craig,
is that we don't have to fear death. We should
embrace it.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
Yeah, that's it. And what they are doing is stultifying.
What they're doing is they're actually being obstacles to having
a spiritual experience. A spiritual experience is something that you
have internally. It's something that you have that is engaged
in love and compassion and concern for others. And we
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have that when we stop with any of the dogma,
the dogma can be scientific. Materialists have their own dogma.
The scientists who are materialists have their own dogma the
same way the religions do, and we have to give
up on the religions. We have to give up on
the science dogma and accept the fact that we are
one with each other. We're one family, we're brothers and sisters.
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And when we do that and we allow the love
to come through, it shines, It comes out naturally. It's
who we are. We want the love, we want the
feeling of companionship with each other. We want to feel
like other people love us and we want to love them,
and that will come through naturally if we just take
off the shell that's an almost impenetrable shell that is
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keeping us from allowing those to come out.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Craig's staying bye. We've got to take our break at
the bottom of the hour and exhonation, our very special
guest this hour is our good friend, doctor Craig Hogan.
And for more information about doctor Hogan and the work
that they do, along with another good lady that we've
had the pleasure of having here on the show of
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And welcome back for talking about after life experiences and
after life communication. This hour hearing the ex own doctor
Craig Hogan is my guest and his website is seek
reality dot com. Craig, are there patterns you've observed among
people who have had near death experiences or what we
in the biz called NDEs.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Yeah, the near death experience has a profound effect upon
people and the reason for that is because they do
have a real encounter. Now we know the fact that
the near death experience occurs when the body is shut down.
In other words, then the first thing to go when
when a body becomes anoxic when it's not getting oxygen,
is that the processing mental processing goes away and they
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have no memories that can't bring memories back during that
period of time and a new death experience, they actually
have more profound memories. They have experiences that they couldn't
possibly have that were when the body is shut down.
And so during these near death experiences, then what people
do is they do have encounters with their loved ones
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living in the life after this life. They learn things.
They all go through the similar experiences they have, the
bright light and the feeling going down the tunnel, the
presence that is a divine presence of a loving divine presence,
and so then we know that these are the same
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kinds of experiences and that they are on the threshold
of the life after this life. They don't make it there,
so it is different from what happens when they make
the transition, but it is definitely the glimpse into the
life after this life. There's a small minority. There are
five percent of them that are negative, in other words,
because they are in trauma, the body is being spulated,
(31:00):
people are moving the body around than they are having
a bad dream. That's only five percent, and it never
is There's nothing about it that is similar among these experiences,
so we know that they're just from the body. But
the other experiences, the near death experiences, are wonderful. People
come away from them then with the psychic abilities, their
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abilities to change. Their mental makeup has changed. They're more loving,
more compassionate, and they have some psychicabilities. So we know
that it has a profound effect upon them. And that's
another indication of the fact that this is a real
encounter at the threshold of the life after this life,
which will be a wonderful experience when we do make
that transition all the way through.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Craig can you explain the concept of induced after life
communication or what is known as IADC and how it works.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Sure, Doctor Alan Bodkin and at Libertyville, VA Hospital was
doing EMDR I movement Desensitization and reprocessing with his combat
vets and it has a wonderful effect on them. It
takes care of their PTSD. And he was having one
in which he had the soldier tell him after he
(32:15):
opened his eyes from his mental experience that he had
meant he had met the woman for whom he was grieving.
She was an orphan girl from Vietnam, and he had
seen her, he had grown to love her while he
was in Vietnam, and he watched her being killed. She
was killed through her body. And so he then had
(32:38):
this experience in which she came to him and that
she wasn't a little twelve year old girl anymore. She
was a beautiful young woman, and she said to him,
you don't need to feel bad about me. I'm wonderful
now I know where I am and we will soon
have our own encounter with each other. And so he
realized that he had something here he was not ready
for that. He wasn't going to induce that to death communications.
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He was just giving an EMDR and so then he
studied it to find out what happened. And he found
out that by putting the person into an EMDR state
of mind, that then they would go with whatever happened
to them. And he would say, just allow whatever happens
to happen, wherever it goes, let it go. And then
people were spontaneously having after that communications and that was
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happening sixty to seventy percent of the time when he
would have a client come through. And so he realized
that this is a wonderful phenomenon, and then he and
I wrote a book about it together. We co authored
a book about what he was doing. And then he
and Rochelle Wright, who was in Washington. She improved on
his method, and then I wrote a book with her
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as well. And so this method of using EMDR I movement,
desensitization and reprocessing is a really wonderful way. And now
we have hundreds of psychotherapists and anybody can get to
them by going to our website at repair Attachments dot
com or to the IADC website which is IADC hyphen
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dot com, and they can find the psychotherapist there.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Craig.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
How reliable are mediums or psychics when it comes to
actually channeling messages from the deceased. Now, I'm the first
one to agree that there are true psychics and true mediums. However,
there are those who have a little bit more of
a sinister plot in mind. How can somebody find the
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true psychic and the true medium.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Yeah, and it is true that there are very good
mediums and their mediums that are not so good mediums
have been studied. There were a series of studies that
were done at the University of Arizona mediums including people
like John Edwards who was one of the television mediums,
and they were studied and they came up with success
rates in being able to ascertain what a person in
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spirit was saying to their loved one on this side
of life at about three point five out of four points.
So it was very strong. And so then they realize
the fact that this is true, that mediums do have
messages from loved ones living after a life. But the
fact is that there are many people who are not
mediums who don't realize that there is such a thing
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as mediumship. They just think that every medium is faking it,
and so then these people hang up a shingle and
they say, well, we'll do readings for you. They're in
the telephone book and you can get them out of
yellow Pages. But they are Charlotte's there, and they are
not true mediums, even if they don't realize it. And
the reason the way to find out if a medium
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is genuine is the medium should first say that there
is a person, and that what the relationship of the
person is to you when you're having a reading, and
then should say evidential things. Evidential things mean they tell
you things that that a medium couldn't have known, even
if they looked on Internet for things about it, they
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couldn't have known. John Edward had one in the University
of Arizona Studies in which he said, I see a
wedding party, and I see two poodles. One is black,
one is white, and the two poodles ravaged through the
wedding and tore up everything in the wedding. And sure enough,
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that's exactly what happened. That was true. I had a
medium say to me, you know, I keep seeing punk
Satani and I don't know why I keep seeing punk
SATONI I keep seeing the punk Satani Phil who's a
groundhog that comes out and easy shadows and there's six
more weeks of winter, and she said, I said, well,
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it's because my father was born in punk Satani. And
she said, but he's telling me that there are four
it's in your family, and I said, yes, that's right.
I am. My first name is Robert, even though my
middle name is Craig, and my father's name, my grandfather's
name of Mike, and my cousin's name are all Robert.
So she's right, that's evidential. Expect that out of the medium.
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The medium can do that because the people on the
other side of life want to show that they are there,
want to show that it is really them. So if
you demand evidence and don't accept things like, oh, there's
someoney coming through from their other life and it's somebody
who's older. Of course, everybody has people who are older
in the afterlife and they're sending their love to you. Well,
of course they're sending their love. So those are not evidential.
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But if you require an evidential medium to give you
the evidence, they will be able to give it to you.
That's the way you find.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Out, Craig, how does afterlife communication work along with the
belief in reincarnation.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Yeah, the reincarnation is misunderstood. We're being told this from
the people living in the life after this life. What
they say is that we do not reincarnate. In other words,
we don't come back as a new person. We stay
the individuals we are throughout eternity. And what happens is
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that other people from our higher self, which is a
group of souls. Our higher self has new people come
into this life, and they will come here and they
may take a piece from our life, or a fragment
from our life, or even a whole framework from our life.
And so what they're doing is they're repeating things from
our life, and we're intertwined with them. So a past
(38:37):
life regression isn't really a past life. It is another
life regression. It's that other person's life that we're seeing
in the past life regression. And so then then we
know that we continue to live. We have one person
who came through in Anthony Borisch's book Life in the
World Unseen, which I really recommend anybody read if you
(38:58):
want to understand the afterlife. But Anthony Borges's book then
he said he had been there for a thousand years.
We have people coming through from the Roman Empire, and
you know from Confucius came through from the fourth century BC.
Everyone lives on. We continue, we continue our individuality. We
have someone else incarnate and we are intertwined with them.
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That's where the past life regressions come from. They should
really be called other life regressions.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
We've only got about two minutes left in this final segment, Craig,
I'm sorry. The next segment is the final segment in
your view, what happens to consciousness at the moment of
physical death.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah, what happens is that that consciousness continues, so it
is seamless. There are a great number of things that
happened during that period of time when the body stops
functioning and the person then assumes their new identity in
the afterlife, and it really is the person. They're just
(40:02):
the body just stops running, that's all, but we are
the same person. But there are a great many ways
in which that happens. And some people, then if they're
coming to the end of their life after a long illness,
they will see their loved ones coming into the room
from the afterlife and they'll be raising their hands to
the ceiling because they can see them and they'll talk
(40:22):
to them and they're being guided into the next life.
When that transition happens into the next life, it's seamless.
People don't even realize it happens. They think they're still
on earth. And we have one incident in which a
man was in a car and he was driving with
his fiance's sister, and they were driving down the road
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and it was at night, and they were blinded by
a truck coming at them. The car lights of a
truck coming at them, and then all of a sudden,
they he and his fiance sister were rising up out
of the car and they as they rose up out
of the car, they watched the accident happened below them,
thirty feet below. And they came through in the life
(41:07):
after this life and said that they explained that this happened.
No one feels pain at the transition. Everyone makes a
seamless transition into the next life. Sometimes it can be sudden.
We have a man who.
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is our a special guest www dot seek reality dot com.
First of all, Craig is always thank you so much
for joining us. All is a great pleasure talking to you.
And has there been any more advances in research when
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it comes to the afterlife. Not for those who believe
like yourself will have had the evidence presented to you
through you, but for those who just cannot fathom the
idea that life does continue.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
Yeah, we have the evidence and we are gaining more
evidence all of the time. We're having more methods. We
now have a total that I explain of fifteen different
methods by which people can meet with their loved ones.
Who are living in the afterlife, and that is the
best evidence. The best evidence is when people have their
(44:49):
own communication, they actually speak to they get responses from
their loved ones living in the afterlife. And so what
we're trying to do is we're trying to promote more
of that. Do you have efforts that are being made
in electronics because of the fact that now electronics are
becoming commonplace and everybody's life, and as a result of that,
(45:11):
then they are going to be able to communicate from
life after this life through electronics. Sonia Ronaldi in Brazil
is doing work with electronics in helping people to communicate.
She's helping parents to communicate with their children especially. But
we're now in a new era with Sonia in which
those celestial entities who are helping us, who are trying
(45:35):
to help humankind to rise out of the difficulties that
it's having and trying to help us understand the fact
that we continue to live after the body dies, and
she's getting constant communication now, very very clear communication, and
which they are going to be giving us new methods.
They are going to be more methods by which we
can communicate. And so we have an entire website that
(45:58):
we're going to be devoting to her work and helping
people to have these experiences, and eventually we're hoping to
have people able to chat with their loved one living
in the afterlife through electronic means. That's the goal, and
we believe that that is in the future, that we
are that close to doing. We can see it in
(46:18):
the future, and all we have to do now is
make it come to fruition, and that's what we're working on.
Speaker 7 (46:24):
Craig. If this existence that you and I are presently in,
why do we have to worry then about paying the rent,
you know, physical pain? What we have to worry about tomorrow?
If all this is just part of a matrix reality,
(46:45):
because once we're finished here, we go continue to another reality.
So how do we blend or how do we justify
the fact that this is a matrix Whatever we do
or do not do well have no effect on what
happens when we continue this journey.
Speaker 8 (47:06):
Yeah, we just have to be born into it. We
just have to realize the truth. Because if people realize
the truth, the fact that we needn't worry about what's
going on here because we're going to make the transition
and go into the next life. And the Buddhists saw
this and they said the four Noble truths. The first
one was that the world is suffering, but it isn't suffering.
That is in the world is suffering that we create,
(47:28):
that we make ourselves. And the second noble truth is
that we do it by craving things, wanting things like
expecting our life to be in a certain way, and
not accepting what it is that's in our lives. And
so if we can come to the point at which
we realize that we are eternal beings having a very
brief physical experience, and that we will continue after this
(47:49):
body dies, then we can regard ourselves and others in
our lives differently. We can be differently, we can have
more love and compassion. And what we have to do
is we have to give up on all of those
old beliefs. We have to give up on all of
those things that we were taught as children, because they're falsehoods.
(48:10):
They're primitive, they came out of the Stone Age, and
we are still believing those things. We're believing that we
don't know that the body dies and the brain dies
with it, and that means the mind dies or that
we have to get everything we can get out of
this life because there's only this life and that's all
that there is and if we can just get past
(48:31):
that of it. And so when people do that, when
they evolve out of those beliefs into an understanding that
we are so journals, we are compatriots in this life,
and that we can have love and peace and joy.
All we have to do is take it. All we
have to do is is realize that it's there and
enjoy it with other people that will make the difference
(48:54):
in our lives.
Speaker 7 (48:56):
Once again, I understand what you're saying, and so many
other people are starting to tune into the afterlife and
what actually happens. But there's a lot of people out there, Craig,
who you start talking about, you know, communicating with the
dead and how easy it is, and they look at
you if you have three heads.
Speaker 8 (49:18):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
So how do we as believers work together in order
to prove to the skeptics that we're not nuts. We
don't have three heads, but we're very serious and we
want to give them a very important life altering message
that will change their lives forever.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
Yeah. Yeah, all we can do is share, so we
can share what we know to be true, share the
evidence that we know to be true. And where we
know that there are ways that people can communicate with
their load ones, we need to teach them how to
do that. We need to make that available to them.
Because if you have a real encounter with your her
uncle Jim or your grandma Ethel and she is now
(50:05):
living in the life after this life, and if you
have a real encounter with communicating with them, that changes
you as a person. It's like having a dear death experience.
You become a different person. So what we're trying to
do is we're trying to make more of these methods
of afterlife communication available that will make a difference for humankind.
When it becomes commonplace, when anybody can have these communications,
(50:28):
then the families will talk about them. It will be
possible that the family sitting around the breakfast table, maybe
having the breakfast, and little Jimmy says, oh, Grandma's here,
and everybody says say hi to Grandma. Grandma's here. Grandma's
been dead for fifteen years. When we have those kinds
of conversations and accept the reality that our loved ones
(50:50):
are here, then humankind will change, It'll be a different humanity,
and we can expect that, we can look forward to
that it will come in the future. We're just a
point of trying to make it happen now, just by
giving people the information, giving people the insights, helping them
to have their own communication, that will make a difference
for humankind.
Speaker 7 (51:11):
Well, couldn't we use the Bible to help with this,
especially when we look at the crucifixion, and that you
know for forty days and forty nights the spirit or
the physical being of Jesus lived with his apostles. Could
this be interpreted as proof of the afterlife?
Speaker 8 (51:33):
Yes, we know that in fact to be true. That
Yeshua or Jesus did in fact appear to his disciples,
and that is a common thing that happens after a
person passes into the next life. And he did come
back to spend time with his apostles and his followers,
(51:55):
the many followers, the five hundred, and he did spend
time with him, and so he appeared to them, he
talked to them, and he did that to show them
the fact that that we will continue to live after
the body dies. That was his purpose, his purpose wasn't
to say that he was a god. You know, his
purpose was to help. He was the great teacher. He
was the person who gave us that information. The Gnostics
(52:17):
had a better view of it than the Christians do.
And if we can just get past this idea that
somehow that Jesus is a god and that we have
to be obedience and that if we don't like Jesus
enough then we're going to go to hell and all
these mythologies that have built up because the religions have mythologies.
(52:43):
The mythologies have to go. But the truth, the essence
of the truth, and what yesually Jesus was saying is
important for us to learn. And so we should go
back to those teachings and understand the profound truths that
he was speaking, and that will make a difference for humankind.
Speaker 7 (53:02):
My last question for you tonight, Craig, is because I've
got just about two minutes before I have to stay
so long, is what ethical considerations arise when attempting to
contact the deceased.
Speaker 8 (53:15):
Yeah, there are no ethical considerations in the sense that
it's bad or wrong or something like that. We will
be able to communicate with our loved ones anytime we want,
so that we are freely available to communicate, just as
though they had gone into the next room or we
would call them on the phone, because they're living in
(53:36):
the next city. So it is a profoundly wonderful experience
that they want to have with us. They're anxious to
communicate with us, and so we can communicate with them,
and we just have to do it. I just have
to relax, allow them to come into our mind, allow
them to speak to us, and they will speak to us.
And there's nothing bad about that. There is nothing secretly
(53:58):
just about that, or any of the mythologies about from
the Old Testament about not speaking to mediums and all
of that nonsense. It is a wonderful experience. Everyone should
have it. Their loved ones want to have it with
them on the other side, and they can have it
and it can make a difference in their lives.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
Craig, as always, time goes by so fast when you're
with us. First of all, thank you so much for
joining us tonight and let our listeners know how they
can find out more about you and the great work
that you and Roberta do.
Speaker 8 (54:26):
Yeah, it's been a pleasure. And they can go to
seek Reality dot Com and there we are putting up
all of the latest things that we're discovering, articles and
videos and anything that we can put up that will
help people to understand that we are eternal beings having
a physical experience, and we will continue after the body
dies and we can communicate with our loved ones living
(54:49):
in the next life.
Speaker 7 (54:51):
Doctor Craig Hogan, take care of yourself. Thank you once again,
and I look forward to the next time you join
us back here in the axone.
Speaker 8 (54:58):
Thank you, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 7 (54:59):
Take care of my fad. That's it for this our exonation.
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