October 6, 2025 • 54 mins
R. Craig Hogan, Ph.D., is the president of the Afterlife Research and Education Institute, Inc., and co-founder of Seek Reality Online. He developed the Self-Guided Afterlife Communication method that has been used successfully by thousands of people and organized four conferences focusing on the afterlife and afterlife communication. Dr. Hogan has been a professor of business communications at three universities, curriculum and training administrator at two universities and a medical school, and director of his own online business writing school, The Business Writing Center.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Oh horay.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Exisode, a place where fact is fiction
and fiction is reality.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Now here's your host, Rob Kanno.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
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million pieces like you always do.
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about the body answer, try try to get you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Again time.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
And welcome back to the X Zone, every one.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I am Rob McConnell, and for the next two hours
I'm your host and your guide. Us together we crossed
this time space continuum to the X Zone, a place
where people dare to believe and dare to be heard.
It's a place where fact is fiction and fiction is reality.
And we come to you Monday through Friday from ten
pm until midnight right here from the broadcast center and
studios of the X Zone Broadcast Network and on your
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hometown Classic twelve twenty twelve twenty dot. C Our guest
this hour is doctor Craig Hogan. We're going to be
talking to doctor Hogan about afterlife studies, communication and nature
of reality. And joining me now is doctor Craig Hogan
and doctor Craig welcome back to the excellent sir.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thank you Rob. It's a delight to be here. I'm
always anxious to talk with you. We have a wonderful interview.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Yes we do.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I I thoroughly enjoyed it. And you know, more and
more people that I'm talking to are talking about what
we're going to be talking about tonight. It's like, Wow,
everybody's coming up with stories and there's no realization. And
I was wondering, if you have any idea why this
is happening.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It's because of mass communication. When people lived in their
little villages, they would never go out from them and
never learned anything about the outside world, and so then
they knew maybe one hundred couple of hundred people in
their whole life. But now we have a worldwide where
we have people communicating instantly from around the world, and
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all of this is bringing to the fore what we've
always known to be true. It's always been true, but
it's becoming apparent to many more people. So the truth
is rising to the surface. We're discovering now what humankind
could always have known but couldn't know until we had
this mass communication and everybody could share their stories and wonderful,
uplifting time.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
The other night, I was talking to a gentleman who
is now in his mid fifties, but when he was
six years old, he had a near death experience and
it remains to this very day so vivid with him
that he is positive, beyond the shadow of a doubt,
that people live after death.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, it's wonderful. Near death experiences have opened the door
for many people, and the fact that the medical personnel
are involved gives it validity. But it's always been there.
And now we are also resuscitating people who would have
passed away. In the sixties, a person who had a
heart attack was gone, that was it, end of story.
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But now we're resuscitating people and they're coming back with
these marvelous stories because they're on the verge, they're on
the brink, they're overlooking the territory of the afterlife, and
they come back with these marvelous stories about what's there.
It's always been there, we just haven't known that it's
been true. And all of this is coming together all once,
and so we're seeing a sea change in humanity. Humanity
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is waking up to what it could not have looked
up to in the past centuries. And now we understand
more about the life after this life, the people who
are living there and communication with them.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Doctor Hogan, what experiences have you had that have proven
to you, beyond a shadow of a dope, that you are, Sir,
an eternal being.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, I've had many experiences, many wonderful experiences. I've had
experiences in which I've had a psychotherapist sit with me,
and the psychotherapist put me into a state of mind
in which I had an afterlife communication with my loved
ones and with the teams that are working with me
on the other side. And so it's a demonstration of
the fact that we are eternal beings having a physical experience,
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and we can communicate with our loved ones who are
living on the other side. So I've sat there and
I've had that experience of actually being with my loved
ones who are in the other side. I've sat down
and had what's called automatic writing, in which I allow
the words to flow out of my mind onto a
paper just as quick as they come to me. And
anybody could do that and can communicate with people living
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in the afterlife, and they've given me messages through it.
They've given me messages with evidence. I had one in
which I sat down with a woman who had passed
and I wanted her to help me write one of
my books, and so I asked her, Greta, how do
I know that it's really you there? And she said,
test me, test me, just like that. And I was
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scribbling these down because I was using automatic writing, and
I said, well, okay, what would the headline be on
MSNBC in the next three days? And she gave me
this message. I scribbled down, Hurricane Ivan target's Cuba, just
like that, and so I watched MSNBC. Of course, you
know I've got up every morning. That's the first thing
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I did. And then three days later, sure enough, there
was the headline, the Hurricane Ivan targets Cuba, and I then,
of course, I made a copy of it right away.
But these are some of the incidents, and I've had
hundreds of these where the people from the life after
this life communicate clearly to me because of the fact
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that I'm open to it. Anybody can communicate if you
just have to be open to it, if you just
allow yourself to allow those messages to come through. They're
trying to communicate. The phone is ringing. All we have
to do is pick up an answer.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So how would you instruct a person how to communicate
with someone on the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
What they have to do is they have to get
used to the fact that they're going to be communicating
in the same space where they think. And that's difficult
for people to do because they think that their thinking
space is there's alone, it's private. Nobody gets in there.
I can think all by myself. And what they have
to do is open up and allow that space to
be empty. And when they empty it, then the person
in the life after this life can come through and
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give them messages telepathically. They come through just like a thought,
but it's a thought that's clearly coming from some place else.
It's not coming from the mind. And so we do
is we teach people how to relax into an open
state of mind. And when they relax in an open
state of mind, then they empty their mind of all
thoughts and then they ask the loved one to come
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through and communicate to them. And then they have to
get used to the fact that the first notion, it's
a notion that comes through, is going to be them.
It's them speaking to them, and they have to get
used to the idea that that's coming into the same
space where they normally would think, and it isn't them thinking,
because they learn things that they could not have known otherwise.
They find out things and then they have conversations with
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the people living in the life of this life. They're
full conversations, just as though they were on this side
of life, and so then they gradually learn to allow
those messages to bubble up from the subconscious into the
conscious mind. And anybody can learn how to do it.
We have the psychotherapists do it in their office up
to ninety eight percent successful with people who have come
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into their office and want to speak with the person
for whom they're grieving. In our self guided After life
Communication Experience, in which we have a free training program online,
there's an eighty six percent success rate in doing it.
Anybody can learn to communicate with their loved when living
in the life after this life.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
What about the members of the medical and scientific community
who say that, you know, when the brain dies, the
person's dead.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, we're in the same circumstance now that people were
in around the time of Galileo in the seventeenth century.
Earlier than that in the sixteenth century with Copernicus, And
what's happening now is that Galileo learned when he looked
through his telescope, which is a new instrument that he
started using, he saw that Venus had moons, and the Earth,
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the moon had craters, and Jupiter has moons, and he
wanted to show people that. He wanted to show that
to the learned people of the time. They just wouldn't
look through the telescope. They refuse to look through because
that's not what Aristotle taught. You know that there are
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no such things as these kinds of planets outside there.
And when they wouldn't do it, then he couldn't teach them.
He couldn't help them to understand the reality that we
know that the Earth is not the center of the universe,
that in fact, the Earth is a planet that circulates
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around the Sun and helocentric viewpoint, and the same thing
is happening. Now. We just can't get the scientists to
look through the telescope. They just won't listen to the
evidence that we have. We have the evidence that life
continues after this life. All they have to do is
look at the evidence that we have and they'll realize
that it's true.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
What evidence is that that would be so compelling to
the scientific community who doesn't even want to look through
the telescope.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Well, if we could get them to do it. We
have people who are communicating from the laugh after this
life to their loved ones living on this side of life,
and they're communicating about things that are going on in
their life right now. So we have recordings from a
medium in the twentieth century named Leslie Flint. And Leslie
(10:20):
Flint had been a medium who could sit in a
room and people from the afterlife would come through and
they would speak audibly, you could hear them. So we
have thousands of the recordings of them right now. And
the recordings that we have are of one of them
is of a woman who comes through from the afterlife
to speak to her husband. And he was on the
(10:43):
faculty of a university, and we actually have his records
and we have the patents that he made and all
the information about him. And she would come through every
six months when he came to sit with Leslie Flint,
and she would tell him about things he was doing
in his everyday life. He remarked about when at one
time when he went to the cemetery and he was
(11:05):
putting flowers on her grave, and she said she watched
him put flowers on her grave and it looks so pretty,
but she can't understand why he was putting flowers on
the grave because she wasn't there, and so she was
remarking about that. She was remarking about what he was
doing before he came. In one instance, she said something
about his thoughts about a woman who he saw, and
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the woman looked very much like his wife, who is
now in spirit. And he noticed that and he thought
it was startling that she looked so much like him.
And she told him when she sat down, when he
sat down with Leslie Flint, she told him about that.
She told him what he was thinking. So we have
thousands of these instances in which the people from the
life after this life are coming through. They're telling people
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about the lives that they're living right now on this
side of life, and that demonstrates the fact that they're
fully alive. They're very conscious, they have memories, they are
able to speak fluently, they're able to communicate easily, and
so we know that they're alive in the life after
this life.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now these communicat I've got to take a very short
break here, Craig, but my question to you is, do
these people from the other side come across and speak
in their own voice or do they have to come
through and speak through the medium?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
We have both instances. So if they do come through
a medium of mental medium, then the medium gives the messages. Okay, yeah,
But if they come through and something like Leslie Flint,
who was a correct voice medium, he would sit in
the room and an ectoplasmic voice box would form on
his shoulder, and so then they would speak through the
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voice box using all the same intonations and the same
voice and the same vocabulary that the person's loved oneton
did in this life.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
In sight of it all right, Greig, I hate to
do this, but I do have to go for my
break right now. Explanation Doctor Craig answer, Special guest.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
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Speaker 1 (13:14):
Don't go away, Steal.
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The middle of the dream.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Same Welcome back everyone. Doctor Craig Hogan.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Is our very special guest. This our www dot seek
reality dot com, Craig. How does the the spirit on
the other side know who they can communicate with in
order to get a message to the person on this side.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
They're able to communicate with us because of the fact
that they know how to get to the right person.
A mental medium, a physical medium, someone else can communicate
or they get to us as individuals when we relax
ourselves into communicating and they know how to do that,
They know how to get through to us, how to
communicate to us. All we have to do is relaxed
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so that we're not preoccupied with the physical realm, and
when we do that, then their messages will come bubbling
up into us. If they want to use a mental medium,
the mental mediums are like beacons for them. So they
realize that there are mental mediums who are attuned who
will be able to communicate, and they will go to
them to get a message through to us. If it's
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a physical medium, if it's somebody like the direct voice
Leslie Flint, Yes, they know about Leslie Flint. They are
aware of this. They talk about this. On the other side.
There are groups that get together regularly and review what's
going on on the Earth. Plane and talk about how
to communicate with people living here, and they share this information.
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So there's a network of people living in the life
after this life, and they're ensuring that anybody who wants
to communicate is going to be able to get to
someone who can help them some medium, some physical medium,
a direct voice medium, or to the individual who's learning
how to communicate it on this side of life.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Craig guess it's apparent that those on the other side
don't have to worry about the laws of time and physics.
They can go back forward or wherever they want to go,
and whatever dimension they want to go, and so on
and so forth. Why can't they help us with the future.
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Why can't they give us some help in solving a
lot of the problems that we have here on this planet.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Sure, sure, and they are. They are helping us. The
problem is that we don't listen. So what they're trying
to do is they're trying to get the messages through.
They work at getting the messages through. They inspire people,
the people in the life after this life when they
come through, if they're scientists. For instance, Marie Curie came
through and she said she was amazed when she learned
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when she got to the other side, how much of
what she had discovered had been given to her by
scientists on that side of life. So they're continually giving
us guidance and trying to help us. They can't interfere
with our lives because we're in Earth school. We had
to stay in character, we had to stay in the
roles that we're taking. So they can't make things happened
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that are going to disrupt what we're learning. They can't
be so clear, they can't shout in our ear about
it because of the fact that we'll interfere with what
we're doing, and then we're going to start blaming them
for it. I mean, we're going to be saying, well,
why didn't you warn me that i'd be missing my
bus and I can get there in time, and we'd
start making them part of the dialogue. They can't be
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part of the dialogue. So we're going through our lessons
in our school. They're helping us by giving us inspirations
about them, but they can't make us. They can't change
our life plan. We've got to go through it ourselves.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
But by them communicating from that side to this site
isn't that, in fact, you know, altering our life plan,
because in our life plan, how can we be sure
that we would anticipate that at that very moment in time,
we'd start communicating with somebody who we believed was dead
and never to be heard again.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, and it is something that we do had to
learn now. Our life plans don't include so much detail
that we it's not like we're predetermined, it's not like
things will happen. But in general, then our life plan
can be that we may end up facing a problem,
facing a difficulty, or a tractedy. At that point, then
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what they can do is they can inspire us to
rely upon our own abilities. They're helping us to learn.
We're in Earth school, so they're going to help us
to learn how to rely on our own abilities and
plan for the future that we create a plan for.
And so then they're not going to make the plan
for us. They're not going to interfere by doing these
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things for us, but they will help us to open
up to learn things to understand, to discover. And so
then in that way, they're helping us to go through
our school to learn the lessons we have to learn
without necessarily interrupting what we're trying to learn and giving
us all the answers, because that would that would impede
what we're trying to do in Earth School.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
In fact, it sounds like they're angels.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yes, when we talk about angels, of course, it's a
figure that was born out in a number of religions,
especially in the Middle East. Yes, and the angels, then
are actually the people from the life after this life,
our guides, our loved ones, people who are interested in us.
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All of these people come through to us and they
do things for us, and so then they ascribe them
to angels. But what we know now is that they're
just individuals. There are guides who are working with us,
are people who love us, who are working with us,
and all of them are intervening in our lives to
do things. They can intervene into make things change. I
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shouldn't say never, because they do. Sometimes there are stories
about people who've been lifted out of a circumstance or
have been guided away from it by the booming voice.
The woman who actually this an actual story, she heard
a booming voice in her mind and it said move
the crib and heard she took her Bravey's crib and
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and moved it across the room. An instant afterwards, a
tree fell through and smashed where the child would have been.
We have many of these kinds of stories. They're really
the exceptions. They are because the person needs that and
has given that. But other than that, than they are
continually coming to us and continually giving us guidance and help,
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and they want us to learn the lessons we came
to Earth School to learn. That's what we're here for.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Craig, I'm sorry, sir.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, God, what do we know about heaven?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
What do we know about what happens to us after
we die?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
So we have road maps now, I mean we know
about heaven. We know that from communication from people who
are living in the life after this life. And I'd
recommend that anybody wanted to read a book, read Anthony
Borsch's Life in the World Unseen. It's just a wonderful book.
And he goes through the circumstance in which a man
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named Hugh Robert Hugh Benson, who went into the life
after this life. He was a mon senior on this
side of life. He was ranted and raped about the
fact that the idea that there was no laughter life,
and so when he got into the afterlife, he was
so repentant for what he had done on this side
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of life that he came back through and he went
through Anthony Borgia a medium and wrote a book on
this side of life, and we have the book now.
It describes what life is like there. We get also
stories from the direct voice mediums about what life is
like there. We have individuals who learn how to communicate
with their loved ones, their fathers, their mothers, their sisters,
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their brothers, and they come through and describe what life
is like that so accumulate them all. We have this
huge library of descriptions of life after this life, and
we know what it's like there. Now we have road
maps of the life after this life.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
How do we know that we're getting the great information.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
We know that because of the fact that we get
other kinds of validations. So people will coming through from
the next life and they will tell us things, and
we know it's them because of the fact that they're
telling us things that they couldn't know otherwise. And they're
telling us things about our lives now, about what things
are going on in our lives, and they're telling us
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things that we didn't know. People will have an experience
in which they'll learn something that they couldn't possibly have known.
There's one instance in which a man was sitting in
a psychotherapist office named doctor Allen Buckin, and the person
came through and he said that when he was having
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his connection with the life after this life, he said,
he saw his mother and there his mother was, and
besides his mother was a man he didn't recognize. He
didn't know who he was, and so they just left that.
And it was years later when he saw a family
photo of a man and that was that man that
was in his description and is what he had experienced.
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And the man was his actual father. It was his
birth father. He didn't even know it was his birth father.
Years later he discovered that. So we have many, many
of these validations of people who know that the people
in the life after this life are coming through. It's them,
it's their personality, it's the way they speak, it's the
memories they have, it's the stories that they tell us
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that we find out to be true. And we've had many,
many of these, and that validates the experience.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
How does the person who's receiving all this information from
somebody that they believed with all their heart was dead.
They went through the grieving they went through at the funeral,
they went through the grief they went through, and sometimes
some religious psychotherapy. How do they feel when they hear
that that information.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's just life changing, So it really changes their life,
their fear of death. They begin to realize that their
loved one is available to them and can communicate with them,
and they start to communicate regularly with them. They become
more loving towards people in their lives, towards other people.
They find ways in which they can help other people
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to learn the truths that they learn, so their lives
are changed forever. The same thing happens in the near
death experience. One of the hallmarks of a near death
experience is that the person who's had one is a
changed person. They sometimes have more psychic abilities, but they
always are able to tell people about the reality with
certainty that we continue to live after the body dies,
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and so it changes their lives entirely.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
How does this communication with the other side affect those
who believe in reincarnation.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
There is a form of reincarnation, but it's misunderstood. The
old form of reincarnation that is pretty popular now has
come out of the Eastern religions, in which they believe
that a person comes back and is another person in
another life. So so I, Craig, I'm going to come
back and I'm going to be Rosy or I'm going
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to be an Eskimo Inuit woman with thirteen children. And
then they're telling us now very clearly repeatedly from the
other side that that's a misunderstanding. What happens is that
when we our lives are being planned, because our lives
are planned before we come. When our lives are being planned,
the planners will take frameworks and pieces from other people's
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lives who have already lived on the earth plane that
are part of the higher self, and they'll take these
frameworks and these pieces and they'll put them into our
life because those are lessons that needed to be learned.
The other person didn't learn them, but we're going to
be learning them for our higher self, and so we
have that framework. And what happens in a near death
experience or a past life regression is that a person
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will remember that other life, that other person's life, but we,
as in individuals, we stay individuals throughout eternity. We continue.
Even when we evolve into higher celestial beings, we will
continue to be the person we are, with the personality
we are, with the memories that we are all of
the people who love us. That continues. We do not
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come back and reincarnate as another individual who is as
an entirely different life.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So let me ask you this, Craig. I've got to
take my break, so please stand by. Great talking to
you as always. You're one of the most interesting people
I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
X O Nation.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Doctor Craig Hogan is our special guest, and we'll both
be back on the other side of this break ass.
The Xzone continues with her stilly Rob McConnell right here
on your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming at
Classic twelve twenty.
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can do. Maybe I'm being.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
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Speaker 7 (27:43):
I've heard it said that dream never Lee, You've been
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Speaker 5 (27:56):
Sleep burn in your doctor.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Craig Cogan is my special guests this hour. This is
the X one. I'm Rob McConnell. You're listening to us
on the X ON Broadcast Network and on your hometown
radio Classic twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Craig,
how do you or how do we justify or explain
why there are those people who believe in reincarnation because
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they have people who are coming back with stories that
they could not know unless they were actually living that life.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yes, we have our correspondence with all of the people
who've ever lived in every time, so we have the
opening to be able to correspond with them. But we
can only correspond with those who we can queue up.
In other words, we have to have some connection with them.
And so then psychics are able to go out and
they're able to queue up memories from somebody else or
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things about somebody else's life. We're able to do the
same thing because we're inter twe with other people who
were in that planning group. The framework that we have
for our lives. So our framework came from some individual
who'd already lived a life, and so we are rather
like a psychic. We are connected to that person. We'requeued
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up with that person, so we can bring things to
mind that have to do with that other person's life,
and the result of that is that we can come
back and we can say things about their life and
we have a feeling like it's our life because we
are intertwined with them, were part of them. And so
the people who have past life regressions are describing an
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afterlife that is akin to theirs because they're united with them.
But that's all it is, and it is not that
they are then coming back as another individual. Now, there
are some things that happen when a person has another life.
They may have blemishes that are places where there were
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wounds that another person had. There are other things that
happen with physical characteristics. These are still only because they're
intertwined with that individual who had already lived a life
and the higher self and their life then is a
framework or from pieces from that of the person's life,
and that results in their evolution into the person whom
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they become on the earth plane.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So if let me understand this. We're here because we're
here to have an experience, right or learn a lesson. Yes,
when we pass on, go back to where we started from,
where we did all this planning. Are we set down
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and do we do another life plan or is our
job over?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Bang?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah? What happens is we continue our lives and we
continue to grow. So our purpose in life is to
grow in love and compassion, to learn lessons, and to
just enjoy life here. But when we go on to
the next life, we continue to grow in love and compassion,
to learn lessons, and so our learning continues. It's just
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in a different school. It's like in going undergraduate school.
And so we continue to learn when we go into
the next life. But one of the things that's going
to happen is when we go from this life into
the next life, we're going to have two life reviews.
And the first life review is pretty quick, and that's
that is rather like the person the one that people
have when they have a near death experience. But it's
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pretty quick. It's going to go through our lives and
look at the high points, and we'll see what we
did and how that affected other people. The second life
review is a much stronger review, and this is the
one where we really learn to learn lessons. We learn
lessons from our lives, and what we do in that
second life review is we will feel every feeling, every
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thought that other people had in circumstances. So if we
were having difficulty with our brother and and we said
things that were not on and that we're not kind
to our brother and it really hurt him, when we
go back in the life review, we're going to go
into that incident. We're going to actually see that incident.
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We're going to feel the feelings our brother felt. We're
going to become our brother doing that real life review,
and so we're going to get all of those feelings
that he felt based upon what we had done. So
everybody has to go through that. Adolf Hitler has to
go through that, idi Amine has to go through that
Stalin has to go through that. We all will go
through the lives of the people who were involved with us,
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and we will feel all every feeling that they felt,
all the emotions that they felt, and that's part of
just learning. It's not a hell, it's not a punishment.
It's just part of our learning so that we can
be become a better person in the life after this
life and continue our growth is.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
What we're talking about today, you know, past lives and
to ease and you know, basically, are we talking about
something that challenges the thoughts of religious philosophers.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It does, and the religious philosophers are going based upon
what their best understanding is. And there are many things
in the churches, for instance, that are really good that
they really get the right idea. They had the right
idea about being kind to other people, about loving other people,
and so they get the right idea. It's just that
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they put it in the context. Then they take it
out and put it into the world. They put it
into huge cathedrals. You know, they spend billions and billions
of dollars on these monstrous edifices when people around them
are starving. And so then what they do is they
corrupt that wonderful teaching that they received. Jesus, the person
who lived as a Yesua bar Josef, who lived in
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the first century of the first millennium, was a real
person and he had real teachings to give. He was
not a god, but he was a real person. But
his teachings have been corrupted by the Church. They've been shrouded,
so we haven't been able to understand them. If we
all understood and lived by those teachings that Yeshuo Barrios
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have had given to us, we would today be in
a heaven on earth. We would be living together in love,
peace and harmony. But we don't do that. So the
problem is the fact that the religions are getting some
good thoughts, they're getting some good ideas inspired from the
people living in the life head of his life, but
then they shroud them, they change them, they make them
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into something that they personally have power over, and then
it's lost to all the people whom they're teaching.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
If those on the other side are have access to
all the information ever amassed, all the different emotions ever amassed,
all the good, all the bad that's ever been a mass,
why would we have to redo it time and time
and time again when the knowledge is already there.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
They don't really change. So that when we change, when
we transfer from this life into the next life, we
are the same person when we get over there that
we were on this side of life. We then will grow.
We'll then learn as a result of our experiences there
in the life out of this life and the perspective
we have and the review that we go through. So
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we do change as we told that and then we learned,
so we don't become instantly omniscient. That doesn't happen, but
we will grow. And the reason for the growth, the
reason that the growth is important. We couldn't just start
off and some being couldn't say, now you're all going
to be perfect, and this is going to be a
perfect world and you won't have to think about anything
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or worry about anything. And if we did that, then
we would never learn the lessons. Learning the lessons and
learning to grow is part of what makes this life
so important. The fact that we are continuing to change.
That change is something that can't be repeated by having
somebody wave a wand and make everything wonderful. The growth
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is what's important, and through that growth, then we are
becoming all that we can become in eternity, and humankind
is becoming all it can become through our growth or
our individual growth. That can't happen unless we each individually
have to grow one step at a time, baby steps,
through the turmoil, through the problems, coming out the other end,
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having learned lessons and that then teaches all of humankind
those lessons.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But why do we need to learn those lessons if
we're not going to be coming back? It seems like
a waste of time to me. If the knowledge is
already there, you know, it would just be like I
maybe I'm putting it in my mind as too simple.
You sit down at the computer, you go to Google,
you type in the question, there's the answer. Why do
I need to learn how to plant potatoes? And so on?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yeah, it's much the same way that we can see
a microcosm of it in our lives or the earth plane.
We will go through circumstances, we'll go through problems, and
we've all experienced those problems, and when we come out
at the other end of them, we have grown. We
feel so good about ourselves, We feel good about the
other people are around us, who are with us in
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those struggles. We have the experiences that we couldn't have
otherwise if we hadn't gone through whatever those turmoils are.
But that wonderful experience, that really ecstatic experience of loving
other people, going through struggles with them, coming out the
other end, emerging to become a more one wonderful, loving person.
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That growth couldn't be experienced if we didn't go through
the struggles, if we didn't go through this period of time.
So we couldn't just be loving and kind and compassionate
to everybody else. We need to grow to be loving
and combined and compassionate to everyone else. When we do that,
then we have that wonderful triumph, that feeling of growth,
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a feeling of accomplishing, and all of that can only
come when we actually go through the lessons and come
out the other side.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
So what happens when we've done everything, we've learned all
the lessons, we don't have any more lessons to learn.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
What happens to us?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
So it's rather like when we look at the horizon
across the ocean. And if we look at the horizon
across the ocean, we can see that there's a horizon there,
and it's often a distance, and we can even maybe
even see a ship's mast a ship on the horizon.
But beyond that horizon, when we travel to that horizon,
we see that there's another horizon and it's further along,
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and we see something else on that horizon. And when
we get to that horizon. There's another horizon. There are
always horizons beyond which we cannot see. So right now
we can see the ships that are on the horizon.
We know what life is like in the life after
this life. We know what heaven is like. We can
see that horizon. We know what that's going to be like.
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And that's a place we're going to go to and
we're going to travel there. And when we get there,
then there's going to be another horizon that we can
envision now because we can't see that horizon. It'll be
new things to learn, new experiences, to have new worlds
in which we're going to be living, new adventures that
we're going to be having. We can't even imagine them.
And even then after that there's another horizon, and after
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that there's another horizon, and we can never imagine. But
what we know to be true is that our lives
will always be filled with love, compassion, and wonder that
will be filled with adventures like we're having now. All
of the wonderful positive things that we're having, We're going
to keep having those, just in different circumstances, different types
of experiences, and we can look forward to knowing that
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everything at every stage, every horizon that we reach, there
is going to be a more wonderful horizon ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
All right, Craig stan By, We've got to take our
final break explanation. If you'd like to contact doctor Craig
Cogan Seek Reality dot Com is the website, and I'll
be back with the good doctor as we wrap up
this first hour of the exon. Because starting at the
top of the hour is our number two. I'm Rob
McConnell and you're listening to us on the X Broadcast
Network and fascinating topic. Anyway, We'll be back. This is
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dot CA.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
With some sweet love.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Fullen ANSO.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You wander around on your own little cloud when you
don't see the why all the will you walk out
on me when we all disagree those to me things
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not one you care for.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Sleep?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
It is so way down and starting.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Welcome back everyone. This is the final segment for this
hour and the first of all, Doctor Craig. Thank you
so much for coming on. It's always a great pleasure
talking to you, and this is one of the most
fascinating topics that we talk about here. In the X zone.
So thank you.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, I very much enjoy it, and I'd love to
come back anytime.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You know, the door is always open to you, my friend.
Let me ask you this, Craig. There's people, as the
X xone is growing, who may not have heard, believe it,
or not of what we're talking about today. They could
be Catholics, they could be muslim they could be Christians,
they can be atheists, they may believe in reincarnation. And
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how do we get the message across to them that
this is what we believe, but it's more than what
we believe, because there is undisputable evidence to support what
you and I are talking about tonight, we.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Just have to keep telling people. So what we need
to do is to get the word out to people.
If they'll just open their minds in the same way
that Galileo's detractors would not look through the telescope, We'd
just have to get people to look through the telescope.
If they will just look for the truth, the truth
will find them, The truth will surface, it will find
its own level. And so what we're trying to do
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is to bring the truth to people in all the
ways that we can. People like ROVERTA. Grimes and a
Champlain and the others who are doing this marvelous work
out there right now. We just are trying to help
people to understand if they just open their minds, if
they just open and listen to us and then look
for themselves, make sure that it's all available that israture
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as we say, they will discover the truth and it
will be life changing.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Okay, So I understand that, and I agree with you
because I know you. I know Roberta. I know your credibility.
I know the amount of time that you've spent researching
and the people that you've talked to, the number of
lives you've changed. And I know this. But somebody listening
tonight is saying, I don't know. It sounds a little
(43:43):
hokey to me. I'm still going to stick to my guns,
and you know, I'm a Southwestern Baptist and I'm going
to you know, go down that Bible belt believing in
heaven and Hell, and there's nothing that's going to change me.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah, people are going to have to come to it
on their own. So, in other words, every one of
us is on a path, right, We've chosen this path.
It's actually our souls who have chosen this path. Our
souls know what's going on. They are aware of everything
that we're struggling with. And they were the ones who
were in the planning group, who made the decisions about
what would happen during this lifetime. And so when they
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planned this life for us, then it was our unique
path and we have to go through that path. And
so everybody's going to have to make the discovery for themselves.
All we can do is present the truth to them
and help them to understand that if they can just
become open, just open their minds and look at the information,
look through the telescope, they will see the truth. The
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truth will come to them. So it is on their
individual path, and we can't force them to change the path.
All we can do is help to influence them.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
All right, But what happens if somebody who is up
there planning their individual path with with those who are
there to help guide and go forth. What happens if
their life interferes with another person's life plan.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
The lives are continually being adjusted. So what happens is if,
for instance, murder and suicide are not in a person's
life plan, those are what a wonderful medium named Suzanne
Geeseman has described as as free, will go and awry,
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And what she was saying is that it's not in
a person's life plan to have murder or violence or suicide.
But if they do have that happen, then that changes
everybody's lives. It changes the lives of the people around them,
and so then there are adjustments that have to be made.
And that was the point at which our souls and
our guides then make the adjustments to our life's plan
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that we have with that person who is now no
longer with us, and then we then are going to
be changing the way in which we're going to be
looking at life, the way in which we're going to
be tackling and tackling obstacles, the kinds of things that
come to us. So there are adjustments that are being made.
We're continually in contact with our guides and with our
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loved ones and with people who are interested in us
on the other side, and they will make the changes
so that the things that will happen will happen so
that we can learn the lessons we need to learn,
grow and love and compassion and just have fun.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
If they're they're guiding us, helping us and making changes
in our lives. Why is this world so screwed up?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yeah, it's because we're in the crucible. We chose to
come here, I mean, we chose to jump into the
deep water. And so we chose this time in Earth's history,
and we are encountering people who are at all levels
of spiritual development. So we have people who are cruel
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and sadistic, and they are people who are going to
cause harm to other people, and we live with those
and we live with people who were loving and gentle
and kind. And we chose to be in this time
in history so that we could make our own choices,
so that we could choose then whether we wanted to
be violent and we wanted to be angry, or we
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can choose to be loving and kind. And we needed this,
these disparities in this time in life's history so we
could learn lives the lessons that we are learning right now.
And so our souls did this for us because this
is the time when we are going to best learn
the lessons that we are intended to learn during this lifetime.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
How did that work for the Neanderthals, the cavemen?
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Where did it start, well, we know about the life
before our lives, the life before the life that we're
living now. In the history that we have now is
that there is a history that came into being at
the time when we looked for a history. And what
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I mean by that is, if you know about Schrodinger's cats.
Erwin Schrodinger had a thought experiment because he couldn't believe
that quantum physics was as it is supposed to be,
that you can't know the reality until it's observed, and
so he said, well, imagine this. What do we put
a cat in a box? We put it inside a
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side eyed pill, and the Sinaie pill is going to
go off if a Geiger counter has a single click,
and that could happened in a year, could happened in
a thousand years, It could happen in ten seconds. But
what he's saying is when the cat is in the box,
quantum physics says, you don't know whether the cat is
dead or alive. And it's in super position, meaning it's
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in both positions at the same time. When you opened
the box, then the position is collapsed, the wave function collapses,
and now you know what reality is. Reality is the
cat is dead, or the reality is the cat is alive.
But what happens is there's also a history. So if
the cat was alive the whole time, you'd see scratch
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marks in the box, and you'd see things in the
box of excrement and things that would show us alive.
But if it was dead, then you would just have
a decomposing body. You know, you wouldn't have scratch marks.
But that history was not chosen. That history was not
created until you opened the box, made the observations, and
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the cat was either alive or dead. So the history
was created at the same time that the person that
the cat was either alive or dead when you first
saw them. And the same thing happens in our lives.
Everything that happened before our lives, like the dinosaurs, like
the Big Bang, or everything that happened before that is
in a superposition. Nobody experienced it. But the history was
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created when we were created, when when our lives were
created in this lifetime, and so then the the Neanderthals,
and then the chromagnum man and zinganthropists, Erectus and all
of the other the precursors of human beings. All that
history was created when our lives were created, and so
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we can't say that that they were somehow then living day,
you know, sunrise, sunset, sunrise, sunset, every day. It was
a history that was created when our lives were created.
And that's the only way we can understand the fact
that the Neanderthals were It did exist, the Chromagnum man
did exist.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
And don't there don't their skeletons have anything to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
That's part of the evidence, right, So that's when you
open up the box and the cat, and you had
scratch marks, and you had excrement or you didn't have,
and all that was created at the moment that you
opened the box. But what about what happens in our lives,
the skeletons, the dinosaur skeletons, everything was created.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
What would have happened if the guy would have opened
the box when the cat was yelling like crazy?
Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, that means that the cat was alive. Yeah, so
the Geiger counter did not go off. But before he
opened the box, the cat was in a superposition. It
was both alive and dead and neither alive and dead.
It was spirits smeared out in other words, than reality.
The history was not created until after the box was open,
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and then it collapsed into reality. The same thing happens
in our lives. So our lives collapse into reality every
time that we open a door, look in a room,
every time we do something. And that's true of the
history and the history of humanity.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
So we're alive in debt at the same time.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, yeah, so we are alive, and we know the
fact that we are alive. But if we looked into
the future and we didn't know what was going to
be going on with something, we wouldn't it wouldn't. For instance,
it the idea if a tree falls in the forest
doesn't make a sound, Well, actually there's no forest unless
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somebody is observing it, and there's no sound unless somebody
is observing it. And so you know, there's no tree,
there's no forest. Everything comes into being when we observe it.
That's quantum physics, that quantum reality.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Craig, the time has come when I must say so
long to you, my friend. I want to thank you
whoever so much, and give give our listeners some information
on how they can find out more about you and
what you do.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah, and invite them to get onto seek reality dot com.
We're really working hard to put it together all the
information we have that is the latest information about the
life after this life, lie after life communication, and about
the fact that we are eternal beings having a physical experience.
We will never die.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Doctor Craig, see Hogan, take care of yourself up, my friend,
and I look forward to the next time we meet
here in the X Zone. Thanks for a great hour.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Thank you as do.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
I all right, expon nation. That's it for this hour.
I will be back on the other side of a
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call them, depending on what Irish has put in there
to play, and we'll be back talking more about the
world of the paranormal, the science of parapsychology. I you know,
(53:29):
this topic of really sends me for a bender. We're
alive and debt at the same time.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
How do we do that?
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Do you believe it? This is all that we're going
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I'll be back on the other side of the brakes
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Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thank you Rob. It's a delight to be here. I'm
always anxious to talk with you. We have a wonderful interview.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Yes we do.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I I thoroughly enjoyed it. And you know, more and
more people that I'm talking to are talking about what
we're going to be talking about tonight. It's like, Wow,
everybody's coming up with stories and there's no realization. And
I was wondering, if you have any idea why this
is happening.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It's because of mass communication. When people lived in their
little villages, they would never go out from them and
never learned anything about the outside world, and so then
they knew maybe one hundred couple of hundred people in
their whole life. But now we have a worldwide where
we have people communicating instantly from around the world, and
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all of this is bringing to the fore what we've
always known to be true. It's always been true, but
it's becoming apparent to many more people. So the truth
is rising to the surface. We're discovering now what humankind
could always have known but couldn't know until we had
this mass communication and everybody could share their stories and wonderful,
uplifting time.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
The other night, I was talking to a gentleman who
is now in his mid fifties, but when he was
six years old, he had a near death experience and
it remains to this very day so vivid with him
that he is positive, beyond the shadow of a doubt,
that people live after death.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, it's wonderful. Near death experiences have opened the door
for many people, and the fact that the medical personnel
are involved gives it validity. But it's always been there.
And now we are also resuscitating people who would have
passed away. In the sixties, a person who had a
heart attack was gone, that was it, end of story.
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But now we're resuscitating people and they're coming back with
these marvelous stories because they're on the verge, they're on
the brink, they're overlooking the territory of the afterlife, and
they come back with these marvelous stories about what's there.
It's always been there, we just haven't known that it's
been true. And all of this is coming together all once,
and so we're seeing a sea change in humanity. Humanity
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is waking up to what it could not have looked
up to in the past centuries. And now we understand
more about the life after this life, the people who
are living there and communication with them.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Doctor Hogan, what experiences have you had that have proven
to you, beyond a shadow of a dope, that you are, Sir,
an eternal being.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, I've had many experiences, many wonderful experiences. I've had
experiences in which I've had a psychotherapist sit with me,
and the psychotherapist put me into a state of mind
in which I had an afterlife communication with my loved
ones and with the teams that are working with me
on the other side. And so it's a demonstration of
the fact that we are eternal beings having a physical experience,
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and we can communicate with our loved ones who are
living on the other side. So I've sat there and
I've had that experience of actually being with my loved
ones who are in the other side. I've sat down
and had what's called automatic writing, in which I allow
the words to flow out of my mind onto a
paper just as quick as they come to me. And
anybody could do that and can communicate with people living
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in the afterlife, and they've given me messages through it.
They've given me messages with evidence. I had one in
which I sat down with a woman who had passed
and I wanted her to help me write one of
my books, and so I asked her, Greta, how do
I know that it's really you there? And she said,
test me, test me, just like that. And I was
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scribbling these down because I was using automatic writing, and
I said, well, okay, what would the headline be on
MSNBC in the next three days? And she gave me
this message. I scribbled down, Hurricane Ivan target's Cuba, just
like that, and so I watched MSNBC. Of course, you
know I've got up every morning. That's the first thing
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I did. And then three days later, sure enough, there
was the headline, the Hurricane Ivan targets Cuba, and I then,
of course, I made a copy of it right away.
But these are some of the incidents, and I've had
hundreds of these where the people from the life after
this life communicate clearly to me because of the fact
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that I'm open to it. Anybody can communicate if you
just have to be open to it, if you just
allow yourself to allow those messages to come through. They're
trying to communicate. The phone is ringing. All we have
to do is pick up an answer.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So how would you instruct a person how to communicate
with someone on the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
What they have to do is they have to get
used to the fact that they're going to be communicating
in the same space where they think. And that's difficult
for people to do because they think that their thinking
space is there's alone, it's private. Nobody gets in there.
I can think all by myself. And what they have
to do is open up and allow that space to
be empty. And when they empty it, then the person
in the life after this life can come through and
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give them messages telepathically. They come through just like a thought,
but it's a thought that's clearly coming from some place else.
It's not coming from the mind. And so we do
is we teach people how to relax into an open
state of mind. And when they relax in an open
state of mind, then they empty their mind of all
thoughts and then they ask the loved one to come
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through and communicate to them. And then they have to
get used to the fact that the first notion, it's
a notion that comes through, is going to be them.
It's them speaking to them, and they have to get
used to the idea that that's coming into the same
space where they normally would think, and it isn't them thinking,
because they learn things that they could not have known otherwise.
They find out things and then they have conversations with
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the people living in the life of this life. They're
full conversations, just as though they were on this side
of life, and so then they gradually learn to allow
those messages to bubble up from the subconscious into the
conscious mind. And anybody can learn how to do it.
We have the psychotherapists do it in their office up
to ninety eight percent successful with people who have come
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into their office and want to speak with the person
for whom they're grieving. In our self guided After life
Communication Experience, in which we have a free training program online,
there's an eighty six percent success rate in doing it.
Anybody can learn to communicate with their loved when living
in the life after this life.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
What about the members of the medical and scientific community
who say that, you know, when the brain dies, the
person's dead.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, we're in the same circumstance now that people were
in around the time of Galileo in the seventeenth century.
Earlier than that in the sixteenth century with Copernicus, And
what's happening now is that Galileo learned when he looked
through his telescope, which is a new instrument that he
started using, he saw that Venus had moons, and the Earth,
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the moon had craters, and Jupiter has moons, and he
wanted to show people that. He wanted to show that
to the learned people of the time. They just wouldn't
look through the telescope. They refuse to look through because
that's not what Aristotle taught. You know that there are
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no such things as these kinds of planets outside there.
And when they wouldn't do it, then he couldn't teach them.
He couldn't help them to understand the reality that we
know that the Earth is not the center of the universe,
that in fact, the Earth is a planet that circulates
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around the Sun and helocentric viewpoint, and the same thing
is happening. Now. We just can't get the scientists to
look through the telescope. They just won't listen to the
evidence that we have. We have the evidence that life
continues after this life. All they have to do is
look at the evidence that we have and they'll realize
that it's true.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
What evidence is that that would be so compelling to
the scientific community who doesn't even want to look through
the telescope.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Well, if we could get them to do it. We
have people who are communicating from the laugh after this
life to their loved ones living on this side of life,
and they're communicating about things that are going on in
their life right now. So we have recordings from a
medium in the twentieth century named Leslie Flint. And Leslie
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Flint had been a medium who could sit in a
room and people from the afterlife would come through and
they would speak audibly, you could hear them. So we
have thousands of the recordings of them right now. And
the recordings that we have are of one of them
is of a woman who comes through from the afterlife
to speak to her husband. And he was on the
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faculty of a university, and we actually have his records
and we have the patents that he made and all
the information about him. And she would come through every
six months when he came to sit with Leslie Flint,
and she would tell him about things he was doing
in his everyday life. He remarked about when at one
time when he went to the cemetery and he was
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putting flowers on her grave, and she said she watched
him put flowers on her grave and it looks so pretty,
but she can't understand why he was putting flowers on
the grave because she wasn't there, and so she was
remarking about that. She was remarking about what he was
doing before he came. In one instance, she said something
about his thoughts about a woman who he saw, and
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the woman looked very much like his wife, who is
now in spirit. And he noticed that and he thought
it was startling that she looked so much like him.
And she told him when she sat down, when he
sat down with Leslie Flint, she told him about that.
She told him what he was thinking. So we have
thousands of these instances in which the people from the
life after this life are coming through. They're telling people
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about the lives that they're living right now on this
side of life, and that demonstrates the fact that they're
fully alive. They're very conscious, they have memories, they are
able to speak fluently, they're able to communicate easily, and
so we know that they're alive in the life after
this life.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now these communicat I've got to take a very short
break here, Craig, but my question to you is, do
these people from the other side come across and speak
in their own voice or do they have to come
through and speak through the medium?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
We have both instances. So if they do come through
a medium of mental medium, then the medium gives the messages. Okay, yeah,
But if they come through and something like Leslie Flint,
who was a correct voice medium, he would sit in
the room and an ectoplasmic voice box would form on
his shoulder, and so then they would speak through the
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voice box using all the same intonations and the same
voice and the same vocabulary that the person's loved oneton
did in this life.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
In sight of it all right, Greig, I hate to
do this, but I do have to go for my
break right now. Explanation Doctor Craig answer, Special guest.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
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Speaker 1 (13:14):
Don't go away, Steal.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
The middle of the dream.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Same Welcome back everyone. Doctor Craig Hogan.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Is our very special guest. This our www dot seek
reality dot com, Craig. How does the the spirit on
the other side know who they can communicate with in
order to get a message to the person on this side.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
They're able to communicate with us because of the fact
that they know how to get to the right person.
A mental medium, a physical medium, someone else can communicate
or they get to us as individuals when we relax
ourselves into communicating and they know how to do that,
They know how to get through to us, how to
communicate to us. All we have to do is relaxed
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so that we're not preoccupied with the physical realm, and
when we do that, then their messages will come bubbling
up into us. If they want to use a mental medium,
the mental mediums are like beacons for them. So they
realize that there are mental mediums who are attuned who
will be able to communicate, and they will go to
them to get a message through to us. If it's
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a physical medium, if it's somebody like the direct voice
Leslie Flint, Yes, they know about Leslie Flint. They are
aware of this. They talk about this. On the other side.
There are groups that get together regularly and review what's
going on on the Earth. Plane and talk about how
to communicate with people living here, and they share this information.
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So there's a network of people living in the life
after this life, and they're ensuring that anybody who wants
to communicate is going to be able to get to
someone who can help them some medium, some physical medium,
a direct voice medium, or to the individual who's learning
how to communicate it on this side of life.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Craig guess it's apparent that those on the other side
don't have to worry about the laws of time and physics.
They can go back forward or wherever they want to go,
and whatever dimension they want to go, and so on
and so forth. Why can't they help us with the future.
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Why can't they give us some help in solving a
lot of the problems that we have here on this planet.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Sure, sure, and they are. They are helping us. The
problem is that we don't listen. So what they're trying
to do is they're trying to get the messages through.
They work at getting the messages through. They inspire people,
the people in the life after this life when they
come through, if they're scientists. For instance, Marie Curie came
through and she said she was amazed when she learned
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when she got to the other side, how much of
what she had discovered had been given to her by
scientists on that side of life. So they're continually giving
us guidance and trying to help us. They can't interfere
with our lives because we're in Earth school. We had
to stay in character, we had to stay in the
roles that we're taking. So they can't make things happened
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that are going to disrupt what we're learning. They can't
be so clear, they can't shout in our ear about
it because of the fact that we'll interfere with what
we're doing, and then we're going to start blaming them
for it. I mean, we're going to be saying, well,
why didn't you warn me that i'd be missing my
bus and I can get there in time, and we'd
start making them part of the dialogue. They can't be
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part of the dialogue. So we're going through our lessons
in our school. They're helping us by giving us inspirations
about them, but they can't make us. They can't change
our life plan. We've got to go through it ourselves.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
But by them communicating from that side to this site
isn't that, in fact, you know, altering our life plan,
because in our life plan, how can we be sure
that we would anticipate that at that very moment in time,
we'd start communicating with somebody who we believed was dead
and never to be heard again.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, and it is something that we do had to
learn now. Our life plans don't include so much detail
that we it's not like we're predetermined, it's not like
things will happen. But in general, then our life plan
can be that we may end up facing a problem,
facing a difficulty, or a tractedy. At that point, then
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what they can do is they can inspire us to
rely upon our own abilities. They're helping us to learn.
We're in Earth school, so they're going to help us
to learn how to rely on our own abilities and
plan for the future that we create a plan for.
And so then they're not going to make the plan
for us. They're not going to interfere by doing these
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things for us, but they will help us to open
up to learn things to understand, to discover. And so
then in that way, they're helping us to go through
our school to learn the lessons we have to learn
without necessarily interrupting what we're trying to learn and giving
us all the answers, because that would that would impede
what we're trying to do in Earth School.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
In fact, it sounds like they're angels.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yes, when we talk about angels, of course, it's a
figure that was born out in a number of religions,
especially in the Middle East. Yes, and the angels, then
are actually the people from the life after this life,
our guides, our loved ones, people who are interested in us.
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All of these people come through to us and they
do things for us, and so then they ascribe them
to angels. But what we know now is that they're
just individuals. There are guides who are working with us,
are people who love us, who are working with us,
and all of them are intervening in our lives to
do things. They can intervene into make things change. I
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shouldn't say never, because they do. Sometimes there are stories
about people who've been lifted out of a circumstance or
have been guided away from it by the booming voice.
The woman who actually this an actual story, she heard
a booming voice in her mind and it said move
the crib and heard she took her Bravey's crib and
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and moved it across the room. An instant afterwards, a
tree fell through and smashed where the child would have been.
We have many of these kinds of stories. They're really
the exceptions. They are because the person needs that and
has given that. But other than that, than they are
continually coming to us and continually giving us guidance and help,
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and they want us to learn the lessons we came
to Earth School to learn. That's what we're here for.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Craig, I'm sorry, sir.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, God, what do we know about heaven?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
What do we know about what happens to us after
we die?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
So we have road maps now, I mean we know
about heaven. We know that from communication from people who
are living in the life after this life. And I'd
recommend that anybody wanted to read a book, read Anthony
Borsch's Life in the World Unseen. It's just a wonderful book.
And he goes through the circumstance in which a man
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named Hugh Robert Hugh Benson, who went into the life
after this life. He was a mon senior on this
side of life. He was ranted and raped about the
fact that the idea that there was no laughter life,
and so when he got into the afterlife, he was
so repentant for what he had done on this side
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of life that he came back through and he went
through Anthony Borgia a medium and wrote a book on
this side of life, and we have the book now.
It describes what life is like there. We get also
stories from the direct voice mediums about what life is
like there. We have individuals who learn how to communicate
with their loved ones, their fathers, their mothers, their sisters,
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their brothers, and they come through and describe what life
is like that so accumulate them all. We have this
huge library of descriptions of life after this life, and
we know what it's like there. Now we have road
maps of the life after this life.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
How do we know that we're getting the great information.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
We know that because of the fact that we get
other kinds of validations. So people will coming through from
the next life and they will tell us things, and
we know it's them because of the fact that they're
telling us things that they couldn't know otherwise. And they're
telling us things about our lives now, about what things
are going on in our lives, and they're telling us
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things that we didn't know. People will have an experience
in which they'll learn something that they couldn't possibly have known.
There's one instance in which a man was sitting in
a psychotherapist office named doctor Allen Buckin, and the person
came through and he said that when he was having
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his connection with the life after this life, he said,
he saw his mother and there his mother was, and
besides his mother was a man he didn't recognize. He
didn't know who he was, and so they just left that.
And it was years later when he saw a family
photo of a man and that was that man that
was in his description and is what he had experienced.
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And the man was his actual father. It was his
birth father. He didn't even know it was his birth father.
Years later he discovered that. So we have many, many
of these validations of people who know that the people
in the life after this life are coming through. It's them,
it's their personality, it's the way they speak, it's the
memories they have, it's the stories that they tell us
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that we find out to be true. And we've had many,
many of these, and that validates the experience.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
How does the person who's receiving all this information from
somebody that they believed with all their heart was dead.
They went through the grieving they went through at the funeral,
they went through the grief they went through, and sometimes
some religious psychotherapy. How do they feel when they hear
that that information.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's just life changing, So it really changes their life,
their fear of death. They begin to realize that their
loved one is available to them and can communicate with them,
and they start to communicate regularly with them. They become
more loving towards people in their lives, towards other people.
They find ways in which they can help other people
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to learn the truths that they learn, so their lives
are changed forever. The same thing happens in the near
death experience. One of the hallmarks of a near death
experience is that the person who's had one is a
changed person. They sometimes have more psychic abilities, but they
always are able to tell people about the reality with
certainty that we continue to live after the body dies,
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and so it changes their lives entirely.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
How does this communication with the other side affect those
who believe in reincarnation.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
There is a form of reincarnation, but it's misunderstood. The
old form of reincarnation that is pretty popular now has
come out of the Eastern religions, in which they believe
that a person comes back and is another person in
another life. So so I, Craig, I'm going to come
back and I'm going to be Rosy or I'm going
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to be an Eskimo Inuit woman with thirteen children. And
then they're telling us now very clearly repeatedly from the
other side that that's a misunderstanding. What happens is that
when we our lives are being planned, because our lives
are planned before we come. When our lives are being planned,
the planners will take frameworks and pieces from other people's
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lives who have already lived on the earth plane that
are part of the higher self, and they'll take these
frameworks and these pieces and they'll put them into our
life because those are lessons that needed to be learned.
The other person didn't learn them, but we're going to
be learning them for our higher self, and so we
have that framework. And what happens in a near death
experience or a past life regression is that a person
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will remember that other life, that other person's life, but we,
as in individuals, we stay individuals throughout eternity. We continue.
Even when we evolve into higher celestial beings, we will
continue to be the person we are, with the personality
we are, with the memories that we are all of
the people who love us. That continues. We do not
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come back and reincarnate as another individual who is as
an entirely different life.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So let me ask you this, Craig. I've got to
take my break, so please stand by. Great talking to
you as always. You're one of the most interesting people
I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
X O Nation.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Doctor Craig Hogan is our special guest, and we'll both
be back on the other side of this break ass.
The Xzone continues with her stilly Rob McConnell right here
on your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming at
Classic twelve twenty.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
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Speaker 6 (27:00):
Three o'clock in the morning, and it looks like it's
gonna be in the sleep this night. I've been listening
to your dreams and getting very low, wondering what I
can do. Maybe I'm being.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Foolish because I haven't heard you mentioned.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Anybody his name at all. How I wish you could
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Speaker 7 (27:43):
I've heard it said that dream never Lee, You've been
talking in your sleep.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Sleep burn in your doctor.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Craig Cogan is my special guests this hour. This is
the X one. I'm Rob McConnell. You're listening to us
on the X ON Broadcast Network and on your hometown
radio Classic twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Craig,
how do you or how do we justify or explain
why there are those people who believe in reincarnation because
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they have people who are coming back with stories that
they could not know unless they were actually living that life.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yes, we have our correspondence with all of the people
who've ever lived in every time, so we have the
opening to be able to correspond with them. But we
can only correspond with those who we can queue up.
In other words, we have to have some connection with them.
And so then psychics are able to go out and
they're able to queue up memories from somebody else or
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things about somebody else's life. We're able to do the
same thing because we're inter twe with other people who
were in that planning group. The framework that we have
for our lives. So our framework came from some individual
who'd already lived a life, and so we are rather
like a psychic. We are connected to that person. We'requeued
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up with that person, so we can bring things to
mind that have to do with that other person's life,
and the result of that is that we can come
back and we can say things about their life and
we have a feeling like it's our life because we
are intertwined with them, were part of them. And so
the people who have past life regressions are describing an
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afterlife that is akin to theirs because they're united with them.
But that's all it is, and it is not that
they are then coming back as another individual. Now, there
are some things that happen when a person has another life.
They may have blemishes that are places where there were
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wounds that another person had. There are other things that
happen with physical characteristics. These are still only because they're
intertwined with that individual who had already lived a life
and the higher self and their life then is a
framework or from pieces from that of the person's life,
and that results in their evolution into the person whom
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they become on the earth plane.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So if let me understand this. We're here because we're
here to have an experience, right or learn a lesson. Yes,
when we pass on, go back to where we started from,
where we did all this planning. Are we set down
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and do we do another life plan or is our
job over?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Bang?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah? What happens is we continue our lives and we
continue to grow. So our purpose in life is to
grow in love and compassion, to learn lessons, and to
just enjoy life here. But when we go on to
the next life, we continue to grow in love and compassion,
to learn lessons, and so our learning continues. It's just
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in a different school. It's like in going undergraduate school.
And so we continue to learn when we go into
the next life. But one of the things that's going
to happen is when we go from this life into
the next life, we're going to have two life reviews.
And the first life review is pretty quick, and that's
that is rather like the person the one that people
have when they have a near death experience. But it's
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pretty quick. It's going to go through our lives and
look at the high points, and we'll see what we
did and how that affected other people. The second life
review is a much stronger review, and this is the
one where we really learn to learn lessons. We learn
lessons from our lives, and what we do in that
second life review is we will feel every feeling, every
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thought that other people had in circumstances. So if we
were having difficulty with our brother and and we said
things that were not on and that we're not kind
to our brother and it really hurt him, when we
go back in the life review, we're going to go
into that incident. We're going to actually see that incident.
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We're going to feel the feelings our brother felt. We're
going to become our brother doing that real life review,
and so we're going to get all of those feelings
that he felt based upon what we had done. So
everybody has to go through that. Adolf Hitler has to
go through that, idi Amine has to go through that
Stalin has to go through that. We all will go
through the lives of the people who were involved with us,
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and we will feel all every feeling that they felt,
all the emotions that they felt, and that's part of
just learning. It's not a hell, it's not a punishment.
It's just part of our learning so that we can
be become a better person in the life after this
life and continue our growth is.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
What we're talking about today, you know, past lives and
to ease and you know, basically, are we talking about
something that challenges the thoughts of religious philosophers.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It does, and the religious philosophers are going based upon
what their best understanding is. And there are many things
in the churches, for instance, that are really good that
they really get the right idea. They had the right
idea about being kind to other people, about loving other people,
and so they get the right idea. It's just that
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they put it in the context. Then they take it
out and put it into the world. They put it
into huge cathedrals. You know, they spend billions and billions
of dollars on these monstrous edifices when people around them
are starving. And so then what they do is they
corrupt that wonderful teaching that they received. Jesus, the person
who lived as a Yesua bar Josef, who lived in
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the first century of the first millennium, was a real
person and he had real teachings to give. He was
not a god, but he was a real person. But
his teachings have been corrupted by the Church. They've been shrouded,
so we haven't been able to understand them. If we
all understood and lived by those teachings that Yeshuo Barrios
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have had given to us, we would today be in
a heaven on earth. We would be living together in love,
peace and harmony. But we don't do that. So the
problem is the fact that the religions are getting some
good thoughts, they're getting some good ideas inspired from the
people living in the life head of his life, but
then they shroud them, they change them, they make them
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into something that they personally have power over, and then
it's lost to all the people whom they're teaching.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
If those on the other side are have access to
all the information ever amassed, all the different emotions ever amassed,
all the good, all the bad that's ever been a mass,
why would we have to redo it time and time
and time again when the knowledge is already there.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
They don't really change. So that when we change, when
we transfer from this life into the next life, we
are the same person when we get over there that
we were on this side of life. We then will grow.
We'll then learn as a result of our experiences there
in the life out of this life and the perspective
we have and the review that we go through. So
(35:27):
we do change as we told that and then we learned,
so we don't become instantly omniscient. That doesn't happen, but
we will grow. And the reason for the growth, the
reason that the growth is important. We couldn't just start
off and some being couldn't say, now you're all going
to be perfect, and this is going to be a
perfect world and you won't have to think about anything
(35:49):
or worry about anything. And if we did that, then
we would never learn the lessons. Learning the lessons and
learning to grow is part of what makes this life
so important. The fact that we are continuing to change.
That change is something that can't be repeated by having
somebody wave a wand and make everything wonderful. The growth
(36:11):
is what's important, and through that growth, then we are
becoming all that we can become in eternity, and humankind
is becoming all it can become through our growth or
our individual growth. That can't happen unless we each individually
have to grow one step at a time, baby steps,
through the turmoil, through the problems, coming out the other end,
(36:33):
having learned lessons and that then teaches all of humankind
those lessons.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But why do we need to learn those lessons if
we're not going to be coming back? It seems like
a waste of time to me. If the knowledge is
already there, you know, it would just be like I
maybe I'm putting it in my mind as too simple.
You sit down at the computer, you go to Google,
you type in the question, there's the answer. Why do
I need to learn how to plant potatoes? And so on?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yeah, it's much the same way that we can see
a microcosm of it in our lives or the earth plane.
We will go through circumstances, we'll go through problems, and
we've all experienced those problems, and when we come out
at the other end of them, we have grown. We
feel so good about ourselves, We feel good about the
other people are around us, who are with us in
(37:23):
those struggles. We have the experiences that we couldn't have
otherwise if we hadn't gone through whatever those turmoils are.
But that wonderful experience, that really ecstatic experience of loving
other people, going through struggles with them, coming out the
other end, emerging to become a more one wonderful, loving person.
(37:44):
That growth couldn't be experienced if we didn't go through
the struggles, if we didn't go through this period of time.
So we couldn't just be loving and kind and compassionate
to everybody else. We need to grow to be loving
and combined and compassionate to everyone else. When we do that,
then we have that wonderful triumph, that feeling of growth,
(38:05):
a feeling of accomplishing, and all of that can only
come when we actually go through the lessons and come
out the other side.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
So what happens when we've done everything, we've learned all
the lessons, we don't have any more lessons to learn.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
What happens to us?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
So it's rather like when we look at the horizon
across the ocean. And if we look at the horizon
across the ocean, we can see that there's a horizon there,
and it's often a distance, and we can even maybe
even see a ship's mast a ship on the horizon.
But beyond that horizon, when we travel to that horizon,
we see that there's another horizon and it's further along,
(38:45):
and we see something else on that horizon. And when
we get to that horizon. There's another horizon. There are
always horizons beyond which we cannot see. So right now
we can see the ships that are on the horizon.
We know what life is like in the life after
this life. We know what heaven is like. We can
see that horizon. We know what that's going to be like.
(39:05):
And that's a place we're going to go to and
we're going to travel there. And when we get there,
then there's going to be another horizon that we can
envision now because we can't see that horizon. It'll be
new things to learn, new experiences, to have new worlds
in which we're going to be living, new adventures that
we're going to be having. We can't even imagine them.
And even then after that there's another horizon, and after
(39:26):
that there's another horizon, and we can never imagine. But
what we know to be true is that our lives
will always be filled with love, compassion, and wonder that
will be filled with adventures like we're having now. All
of the wonderful positive things that we're having, We're going
to keep having those, just in different circumstances, different types
of experiences, and we can look forward to knowing that
(39:48):
everything at every stage, every horizon that we reach, there
is going to be a more wonderful horizon ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
All right, Craig stan By, We've got to take our
final break explanation. If you'd like to contact doctor Craig
Cogan Seek Reality dot Com is the website, and I'll
be back with the good doctor as we wrap up
this first hour of the exon. Because starting at the
top of the hour is our number two. I'm Rob
McConnell and you're listening to us on the X Broadcast
Network and fascinating topic. Anyway, We'll be back. This is
(40:19):
your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty streaming Classic twelve twenty
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Speaker 4 (40:24):
With some sweet love.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Fullen ANSO.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You wander around on your own little cloud when you
don't see the why all the will you walk out
on me when we all disagree those to me things
(41:03):
not one you care for.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Sleep?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
It is so way down and starting.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Welcome back everyone. This is the final segment for this
hour and the first of all, Doctor Craig. Thank you
so much for coming on. It's always a great pleasure
talking to you, and this is one of the most
fascinating topics that we talk about here. In the X zone.
So thank you.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, I very much enjoy it, and I'd love to
come back anytime.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You know, the door is always open to you, my friend.
Let me ask you this, Craig. There's people, as the
X xone is growing, who may not have heard, believe it,
or not of what we're talking about today. They could
be Catholics, they could be muslim they could be Christians,
they can be atheists, they may believe in reincarnation. And
(42:15):
how do we get the message across to them that
this is what we believe, but it's more than what
we believe, because there is undisputable evidence to support what
you and I are talking about tonight, we.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Just have to keep telling people. So what we need
to do is to get the word out to people.
If they'll just open their minds in the same way
that Galileo's detractors would not look through the telescope, We'd
just have to get people to look through the telescope.
If they will just look for the truth, the truth
will find them, The truth will surface, it will find
its own level. And so what we're trying to do
(42:53):
is to bring the truth to people in all the
ways that we can. People like ROVERTA. Grimes and a
Champlain and the others who are doing this marvelous work
out there right now. We just are trying to help
people to understand if they just open their minds, if
they just open and listen to us and then look
for themselves, make sure that it's all available that israture
(43:15):
as we say, they will discover the truth and it
will be life changing.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Okay, So I understand that, and I agree with you
because I know you. I know Roberta. I know your credibility.
I know the amount of time that you've spent researching
and the people that you've talked to, the number of
lives you've changed. And I know this. But somebody listening
tonight is saying, I don't know. It sounds a little
(43:43):
hokey to me. I'm still going to stick to my guns,
and you know, I'm a Southwestern Baptist and I'm going
to you know, go down that Bible belt believing in
heaven and Hell, and there's nothing that's going to change me.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah, people are going to have to come to it
on their own. So, in other words, every one of
us is on a path, right, We've chosen this path.
It's actually our souls who have chosen this path. Our
souls know what's going on. They are aware of everything
that we're struggling with. And they were the ones who
were in the planning group, who made the decisions about
what would happen during this lifetime. And so when they
(44:21):
planned this life for us, then it was our unique
path and we have to go through that path. And
so everybody's going to have to make the discovery for themselves.
All we can do is present the truth to them
and help them to understand that if they can just
become open, just open their minds and look at the information,
look through the telescope, they will see the truth. The
(44:43):
truth will come to them. So it is on their
individual path, and we can't force them to change the path.
All we can do is help to influence them.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
All right, But what happens if somebody who is up
there planning their individual path with with those who are
there to help guide and go forth. What happens if
their life interferes with another person's life plan.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
The lives are continually being adjusted. So what happens is if,
for instance, murder and suicide are not in a person's
life plan, those are what a wonderful medium named Suzanne
Geeseman has described as as free, will go and awry,
(45:33):
And what she was saying is that it's not in
a person's life plan to have murder or violence or suicide.
But if they do have that happen, then that changes
everybody's lives. It changes the lives of the people around them,
and so then there are adjustments that have to be made.
And that was the point at which our souls and
our guides then make the adjustments to our life's plan
(45:57):
that we have with that person who is now no
longer with us, and then we then are going to
be changing the way in which we're going to be
looking at life, the way in which we're going to
be tackling and tackling obstacles, the kinds of things that
come to us. So there are adjustments that are being made.
We're continually in contact with our guides and with our
(46:19):
loved ones and with people who are interested in us
on the other side, and they will make the changes
so that the things that will happen will happen so
that we can learn the lessons we need to learn,
grow and love and compassion and just have fun.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
If they're they're guiding us, helping us and making changes
in our lives. Why is this world so screwed up?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yeah, it's because we're in the crucible. We chose to
come here, I mean, we chose to jump into the
deep water. And so we chose this time in Earth's history,
and we are encountering people who are at all levels
of spiritual development. So we have people who are cruel
(47:04):
and sadistic, and they are people who are going to
cause harm to other people, and we live with those
and we live with people who were loving and gentle
and kind. And we chose to be in this time
in history so that we could make our own choices,
so that we could choose then whether we wanted to
be violent and we wanted to be angry, or we
(47:26):
can choose to be loving and kind. And we needed this,
these disparities in this time in life's history so we
could learn lives the lessons that we are learning right now.
And so our souls did this for us because this
is the time when we are going to best learn
the lessons that we are intended to learn during this lifetime.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
How did that work for the Neanderthals, the cavemen?
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Where did it start, well, we know about the life
before our lives, the life before the life that we're
living now. In the history that we have now is
that there is a history that came into being at
the time when we looked for a history. And what
(48:13):
I mean by that is, if you know about Schrodinger's cats.
Erwin Schrodinger had a thought experiment because he couldn't believe
that quantum physics was as it is supposed to be,
that you can't know the reality until it's observed, and
so he said, well, imagine this. What do we put
a cat in a box? We put it inside a
(48:33):
side eyed pill, and the Sinaie pill is going to
go off if a Geiger counter has a single click,
and that could happened in a year, could happened in
a thousand years, It could happen in ten seconds. But
what he's saying is when the cat is in the box,
quantum physics says, you don't know whether the cat is
dead or alive. And it's in super position, meaning it's
(48:57):
in both positions at the same time. When you opened
the box, then the position is collapsed, the wave function collapses,
and now you know what reality is. Reality is the
cat is dead, or the reality is the cat is alive.
But what happens is there's also a history. So if
the cat was alive the whole time, you'd see scratch
(49:18):
marks in the box, and you'd see things in the
box of excrement and things that would show us alive.
But if it was dead, then you would just have
a decomposing body. You know, you wouldn't have scratch marks.
But that history was not chosen. That history was not
created until you opened the box, made the observations, and
(49:38):
the cat was either alive or dead. So the history
was created at the same time that the person that
the cat was either alive or dead when you first
saw them. And the same thing happens in our lives.
Everything that happened before our lives, like the dinosaurs, like
the Big Bang, or everything that happened before that is
in a superposition. Nobody experienced it. But the history was
(50:01):
created when we were created, when when our lives were
created in this lifetime, and so then the the Neanderthals,
and then the chromagnum man and zinganthropists, Erectus and all
of the other the precursors of human beings. All that
history was created when our lives were created, and so
(50:23):
we can't say that that they were somehow then living day,
you know, sunrise, sunset, sunrise, sunset, every day. It was
a history that was created when our lives were created.
And that's the only way we can understand the fact
that the Neanderthals were It did exist, the Chromagnum man
did exist.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
And don't there don't their skeletons have anything to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
That's part of the evidence, right, So that's when you
open up the box and the cat, and you had
scratch marks, and you had excrement or you didn't have,
and all that was created at the moment that you
opened the box. But what about what happens in our lives,
the skeletons, the dinosaur skeletons, everything was created.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
What would have happened if the guy would have opened
the box when the cat was yelling like crazy?
Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, that means that the cat was alive. Yeah, so
the Geiger counter did not go off. But before he
opened the box, the cat was in a superposition. It
was both alive and dead and neither alive and dead.
It was spirits smeared out in other words, than reality.
The history was not created until after the box was open,
(51:34):
and then it collapsed into reality. The same thing happens
in our lives. So our lives collapse into reality every
time that we open a door, look in a room,
every time we do something. And that's true of the
history and the history of humanity.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
So we're alive in debt at the same time.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, yeah, so we are alive, and we know the
fact that we are alive. But if we looked into
the future and we didn't know what was going to
be going on with something, we wouldn't it wouldn't. For instance,
it the idea if a tree falls in the forest
doesn't make a sound, Well, actually there's no forest unless
(52:16):
somebody is observing it, and there's no sound unless somebody
is observing it. And so you know, there's no tree,
there's no forest. Everything comes into being when we observe it.
That's quantum physics, that quantum reality.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Craig, the time has come when I must say so
long to you, my friend. I want to thank you
whoever so much, and give give our listeners some information
on how they can find out more about you and
what you do.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah, and invite them to get onto seek reality dot com.
We're really working hard to put it together all the
information we have that is the latest information about the
life after this life, lie after life communication, and about
the fact that we are eternal beings having a physical experience.
We will never die.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Doctor Craig, see Hogan, take care of yourself up, my friend,
and I look forward to the next time we meet
here in the X Zone. Thanks for a great hour.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Thank you as do.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
I all right, expon nation. That's it for this hour.
I will be back on the other side of a
couple of interesting words of wisdom. I guess we can
call them, depending on what Irish has put in there
to play, and we'll be back talking more about the
world of the paranormal, the science of parapsychology. I you know,
(53:29):
this topic of really sends me for a bender. We're
alive and debt at the same time.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
How do we do that?
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Do you believe it? This is all that we're going
to be keeping on discovering here in the X Zone.
I'll be back on the other side of the brakes
or whatever you do. Do not go away.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Then you because it hurts when you're egs deleted.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
Red real.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
As that it's all compromise, and the problems are so
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