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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All Henriy, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now here's your host, Rob McConnell.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And welcome to the exone everyone.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I am Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our
studios in St. Catharines, Ontario and your hometown Radio Classic
twelve twenty at www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
If you'd like to send me an email, it's very simple.
Xzone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA and we'll get
back to you as soon as we can. Now, my
first guest tonight is Joe rain One and Joe, welcome
(01:16):
to the xxone.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Thank you, Rob, appreciate the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right, tell us a little bit about yourself, Joe.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
So, I'm just a normal, regular nine to five guy.
I'm an IT manager, but as a hobby, I'm a
part time paranormal investigator. I've been doing it since I'm
twenty ten, so this is my thirteenth year.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
What was it that got you into investigating the paranormal?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Joe?
Speaker 6 (01:44):
So, unlike most paranormal investigators, Rob, they typically have had
some type of a paranormal experience that peaked their interest
to look further into the phenomenon. For me, it was
a little different. It was actually the introductions of the
ghost hunting shows in the early to mid two thousands
that got me peaked.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I was more.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Curious as to whether it was just put on for
entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And what did you find there?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Well, a few things.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
It is absolutely real, paranormal experiences can definitely happen. But
I also feel as though the television shows tend to
overdramatize things, and you know, possibly you know, dare I
even say, maybe fabric fabricate some evidence.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Can you give us some examples of that, Joe.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, well, speaking for myself, Rob, you know, when you
paranormal investigate a location, you can be there, you know, hours,
possibly days and not get.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
A single shred of evidence.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
And in order to have a television show, a weekly
television show and to have reels of evidence, I just
don't think it's possible from my experience.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Now, when you go and do a paranormal investigation, Joe,
do you go by yourself or do you go with
the team?
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I never go by myself. I will at least go
with one other person, but primarily I do go with
my team.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Now, where are some of the places that you've gone
to do paranormal investigations with you and your team?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So we're based out of New England. We're very lucky
that we're rich in a lot of history. We're just
outside of Boston. There's also Salem, Massachusetts. You know where
the witch trials were. So we've done a bulk of
different locations in Salem, including home residential cases. We have
(03:52):
done the ever so famous Lizzie Borden House. We have
done local spots that maybe some of the audience wouldn't
know but are actually very big in the paranormal community.
A few places off the top of my head is
the Escape Paris Mansion and Gardner, Mass It's been in
quite a number of different TV shows throughout the years,
(04:15):
along with the Houghton Mansion in North Adams, mass. And
another popular spot which has gained some traction is the Usssalem,
which is a naval battleship docked outside of Quincy, mass.
So those are some of the more local ones. We've
also traveled throughout the country and done a lot various prisons,
(04:38):
various asylums, things like that.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I noticed on the information that you sent US, so
that you've also done investigations at the Waverly Hills, the
Ohio State Reformatory, Eastern State Penitentiary, Penhurst Asylum, Rolling Hills Asylum,
and the Shane Lee Hotel.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I've got to ask you.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
These have been featured on many, many tele television shows.
Why do the ghosts or the spirits remain there?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Do they enjoy being on TV?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Really really good question.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I'm not sure whether they enjoy being on TV or not,
but I think they enjoy the fact that a lot
of people are going to those locations specifically to elicit
communication with them.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Okay, now, when you were at let's say, Waverley Hills,
what kind of paranormal activity did you and your team encounter?
Speaker 6 (05:35):
So you picked a really, really great one. Waverly Hills
is definitely probably in the easily the top three of
locations that we've gone to that have really had wonderful evidence,
so to speak. So the bulker of our evidence is audio.
(05:58):
There's a phenomenon called EVE, which stands for Electronic Voice phenomenon,
and that's essentially you're recording a conversation with a recorder.
Can be digital, can be analog, could even be a
cell phone and you're asking questions in the hope of
getting a response, and when you receive the response, it's
(06:22):
not audible to the human ears, but the devices actually
can pick it up. So Waverly was really really wonderful
as far as getting a lot of electronic voice phenomenon.
We were getting direct answers to some of our questions.
Another very rare phenomenon that actually took place at Waverley
(06:43):
is called a disembodied voice. So that's when you hear
a voice that your naked ear is picking it up.
It's so you're not relying on the equipment.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's very very rare.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
It's probably only happened a handful of times to us
and to myself. Waverly was actually one of those locations
where we actually caught a disembodied voice, and it just
so happened to be right in front of the Death
Tunnel affectionately known and Waverly is the death Tunnel, because
that was the shoot where they would transport the bodies
(07:20):
after you know, patient's circumbed to you know, TV or
or whatnot.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, how is it possible that you do not hear
when you're doing an EVP, you do not hear the
response to your questions or however you and your team
do it, and yet it registers on a digital or
analog recording device.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Rob, I'll tell you, if I had that answer for you,
I could unlock a big secret. Nobody really knows. Nobody
knows how they imprint their voice. They you know, they
don't you know the theories that it's coming through the field,
the electromagnitic frequency field. The thing that kind of gets
(08:07):
me a little bit is the fact that how are
they hearing me.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
When I ask a question?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You know, are they on the other side with a
particular device that they using to hear me?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Good question.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Mind you, mediums and other psychics can communicate with the
other side without the use of any any equipment, So
how come investigating the paranormal as an EVP requires the
equipment instead of the direct contact that mediums and psychics have.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
So for our team, we don't have any mediums with
psychics on the team, nor are we scientists, but we
are professional and we rely on equipment. So we want
to be more scientific based. Like I said, even though
none of us are scientists, we just want to rely
(09:02):
mainly on equipment because it's you know, if you get
something on equipment, it's there, it's in black and white,
we can share it.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So during your investigations, first of all, if somebody was
to call you up and say, Joe, I heard you
on the x zon on Classic twelve twenty how and
I think I've got a ghost in my house, Joe,
can you come down and visit us? And these people
are in the area with that you actually live in,
and let's say in Massachusetts, somewhere near Boston, how would
you conduct the investigation.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Well, first off, Rob, we would do a thorough vetting
of the client first and foremost, because just throughout the years,
we've realized that there's a lot, for lack of a
better term, there's a lot of mental illness and potential
(09:54):
under the influence of alcohol or prescription drug use, and
people seem to think that they might be having some
type of paranormal activity when in you know, reality, it's
it's probably induced by again mental illness or you know,
potential drug or alcohol use. So we would do it
thorough vetting of the client just to kind of rule
(10:17):
that out before we would even invest any of our
time in visiting the location. And you know, we definitely
don't want to put ourselves in harms way either. And
through the through the course of the years, we've you know,
we've kind of wasted a lot of cycles just with
claims that were kind of nonsense. But but after the
(10:40):
vetting process, we would typically what we would do is
we would do a like a walk through first of
the location with the homeowners there, get their stories, get
the so called hotspots of where they might have seen
something or heard something.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
We would take notes. We would sweep the.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Home again for those EMF fields that I spoke to
you a little a little bit earlier about. Those are
fields of electromagnetic frequency that are generated by large appliances,
faulty wiring, things like that. We would do a base
sweep of the location because we want to make sure
(11:21):
that when we are eventually there to paranormal investigate in
our equipment that's designed to pick up EMF as going off,
that we know that it's not the refrigerator on the
other side of the wall, or you know, a washer
or a dry or anything like that. So that that
would be why we would do the walk through, and
(11:41):
then we would schedule the home investigation at a different
point in time at that point, we would kind of
prefer that the homeowners aren't in the house, but if
they insist on being, they we would obviously welcome them
as well, and we would typically spend you know, anywhere
between four in six hours in the location see if
(12:02):
we can document any evidence and collaborate some of the
some of the claims of the paranormal activity for the homeowners.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Okay, now you're taking you're accumulating all this data through
your investigation. How long does it take you to go
through the data, go through the EVPs, go through any
video files that you've collected, to come to your conclusion
as to whether or not there is a haunting there
or if it is just something else that has nothing
to do with the paranormal It's.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Actually a great question, Rob. So basically, for every recorder
you have running, and for every camera you have running,
you need to sit and review audio and video for
each one of those cameras. So it's a painstaking process.
(12:53):
It's a painstaking process.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So on the average, what are we looking at an
extra fifteen to twenty hours worth of work easily?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, And how many investigations do you do?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Do you do a year?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Joe with your your team.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
So the it's quieted down a lot.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
There was a so we used to have a one
eight hundred number, and back in the day, probably in
the mid mid two thousands, we would probably take at
least three to four phone calls a week on that
one eight hundred line. And then but that was also
kind of like the height of the paranormal television shows
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and things like that, So I think people kind of
maybe thought they might add something going on, and they
realized teams are out, they had to investigate.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Hey, Joe, I hate to do this, but I've got
to take a break. Please stand by ex oonation. Our
guest this hour is Joe rain One. His website is
Paranormalnew England dot com. And we'll be back on the
other side of this break as we continue here in
the X on Your Hometown Radio Classic twelve twenty www
dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Welcome back to the X, all,
(14:50):
and I'm Rob Oconnell. We're coming to you from our
broadcast entering studios in St. Catherines, Ontario, on your Hometown
Radio Classic twelve twenty www dot Classic twelve. Joe rain
Win is our special guest Paranormal New England. Sorry Paranormal
New England dot com. Joel, thanks for joining us tonight.
And I have to ask you this, Joe, has there
(15:13):
ever been an investigation that you've done that you had
the bejeeber scared out of you.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I'm gonna answer you totally honestly. No, never, not once.
I don't think I'd be doing this if I got
easily rattled.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
So has there any been anything that you've seen or
heard during an investigation that that makes you believe that
the paranormal is very real?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
So again, a lot of the audio evidence we've gotten
throughout the years, we've gotten direct responses to questions as
far as you know, who's still residing in the location,
And we've gotten in certain cases for us and last
names that we could actually go back and look through
(16:03):
like some type of an archive and actually find that
there was such a person that did exist in that spot.
So the audio stuff is very real and it's very informative.
The visual piece is a lot hotter to capture and
document for whatever reason. I just don't know whether they
(16:25):
don't have enough energy to manifest I have. I can
say that I have never seen an apparition in my
you know, thirteen plus years now of doing this, I
think the closest thing I've seen is what is termed.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
A shadow figure.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I saw that at a local, very very popular location
here in New England, which is the Conjuring House in Barisville,
Rhode Island that spawned that whole Conjuring House movie series.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
So that was one of.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
The real tangible things that I can say I've seen
with my own eyes was a shadow figure, and it was.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Humanoid and form. It didn't have any.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Particular features that I could say, well, it was a
male or it was a female, but I could see
you tosso limbs head and it was just like a
gray mass that moved rather quickly. So that was one
of the more profound things I have seen in my experience.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So when you're out on these investigations, have you ever
been scratched, Have you ever been pushed?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Have you ever.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Felt any physical evidence of the ghost or the spirit?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I have ever been scratched.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I have seen scratches appear on teammates as we've investigated,
just out of nowhere, So I can't speak to the
phenomenon myself. I have been nudged near some staircases I
guess we'll go back to to Waverly. That that phenomenon
(18:07):
did happen to me at Waverley. It felt like a
you know, a hand just kind of gave me a
little nudge when I was near an open staircase. Fortunately
it wasn't hot enough that I, you know, ended up
going down. It another experience that I've had rob that
I never experienced before. And I always heard of people saying, oh, well,
(18:30):
you know, Joe, you've gotten that cobweb feeling, haven't you,
And you know, my honest answer was like, no, I
I haven't, and they're like, oh, well you'll you'll know
when you get it. And that recently happened to me,
probably this past fall. I was at a local spot
in Weymouth, Massachusetts called the Emory Estate. It's a it's
(18:53):
an estate that was given back to the town of
Weymouth and the town decided that they would opened the
house up as a museum and then the staff that
was there was having paranormal experiences, and they actually decided
to create a volunteer staff to lead folks on public
ghost hunts there. So I volunteered for them. I'm one
(19:15):
of the staff there and It was actually a night
after one of the public ghost hunts. All of the
guests had left. I had walked upstairs to turn off
some of the lights, and I walked through a doorframe
of one of the bedrooms that mind you, I've walked
in and out of that doorframe probably a good half
a dozen times, just that night alone, and I got
(19:37):
the sensation that I just.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Walked right through this big cobweb.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
And I knew that there's no way Spider could have
spun a big cob web like that since the last
time I was up in that area of the house.
So I just buy pure fate. I happened to have
my recorder on me. I hit the record button, I
started asking some questions who was up here with me?
And I probably got one of the clearest EVPs I've
ever captured in my career. I got a male voice
(20:08):
saying the name Brandon, and he did it in an
Irish brogue, which really completely blew me away. So it
came out like Brandon please. So those are some of
the more physical things that I can speak to, you know,
because I've experienced it. As far as me experienced a scratch,
I can't say one way or another, how that feels.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
In your opinion? Why are these spirits? Why are these
ghosts staying behind? Why don't they go to the light?
Why don't they go to the next dimension or wherever
ghosts go when they decided to leave home.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I think some and this is personal, you know, you
asked me for my personal because none of this is
proven yet. But I just think some are trapped in
like some type of a go between realm between now,
between Earth and you know, if you want to say heaven,
why they are trapped or maybe not trapped but want
(21:08):
to stay here. I mean I would go probably with
you know, maybe they just loved the place that they're in.
I mean, speaking for the Emery estate, I could say
that because it's a beautiful house, it's a beautiful grounds.
I could kind of understand why a spirit might want
to hang there. When you start talking about some of
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the more darker locations, like the Waiverleies and like the
prisons and things like that, I'm not exactly sure why
the lack of a better term, a soul or a
spirit would still want to stay there.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
My only guess is that I think they're just trapped
there for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Why is it some people have the ability to have
an experience with the paranormal and other people don't.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, I've known groups that go in twenty thirty people,
maybe five or six people will have an actual experience
and the other people say, well, we felt nothing, we
saw nothing, absolutely zip.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, It's it's very common.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I just think certain people are more open to it,
maybe maybe mentally.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Other people.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
You know, if you're a die hard skeptic, something maybe
going on that you're not You're not even aware of it.
You're not even going to put it into the fact
that it might be something paranormal. Speaking again to some
of those public ghost hunts that I've been privy to
and have led, you know, there's dynamics in groups. So
(22:45):
you could take a group of four or five people again,
I'll use the Emory state as a prime example. You
could take them through that house rum by rum, just
with your equipment, using your audio, using your video, and
some groups, for whatever reason, we don't get anything, We
don't get any e VP, we don't get any equipment.
(23:07):
Going off later in the night, you take a different
group up there, and it's like a different house, you know,
and I can only surmise that it has something to
do with the personalities of the people there.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
There's some thought within the scientific community that the paranormal
events that are reported during a.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Tour or a.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Or a ghost hunter are actually perpetrated by members of
the group itself and are manifested that way. What's your
opinion on that.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I've heard the same.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
I think it's going to go back to the statement
I just I just said. I think it has something
to do with just the people being more open to
experiencing something.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
They're more believable. I'm sorry, Rob, The people are more believable.
They want something to happen, so they believe something is
going to happen. So is it possible that they're actually
creating that something that they're looking for.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
That's a good possibility.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I was thinking more along the lines that they they
they're believers now, whether they had paranormal experiences or not,
they just believe in it. And for whatever reason, it's
those more open minded groups that definitely have more experiences.
I've just noticed it time and time again. You know,
(24:38):
you got a people, a group of people that are
that are more skeptical and usually like I'll say, like
that group was kind of flat, like, meaning like we
didn't get anything with them, you.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Know, Okay, I can understand that. I guess I'm trying
to quantify how some people within a group can experience
the paranormal and others can't. Do you think that the
people who go on these or the majority of people
(25:12):
that go on the ghost tours, for example, have seen
television shows and their expectation of something to happen is
higher than the people who go there who may be
a little skeptical.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I think that's a safe statement. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
When you and your team go out on an investigation,
how many members are in your team?
Speaker 6 (25:35):
First of all, we currently have thirteen members in Paranormal
New England.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Now do all of you go out at the same
time to the same location.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
It's very rare that we'll have a full team out
at an investigation. It usually it usually averages out to
about six to seven people because again we're all professionals,
all have day jobs, it's a hobby for us. We
all have families, so not everybody can make every single investigation.
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So out of thirteen, if we get called in to
do something, if we can get half the team to
show up, that's a good number.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
There are many people who believe that objects in museums
haunted locations can be possessed for a lack of better word,
how do you and your group protect yourselves from not
bringing someone unwanted home with you, I mean of the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Well, I can answer this.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
I know in my thirteen years, as far as I know,
I've never brought anything home with me. I don't think
any of our any of my teammates have because I'm
sure somebody would have mentioned that to one of us.
I know people that claim that they've been to very
(27:04):
active locations and then the next day, you know, like
they had cabinets in their home open and things like that.
They're credible people. I believe them. I can only speak
for myself and my team, like we've never had that
type of experience after an investigation.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Ex O Nation, I guess this hour is Joe not yet,
not yet.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Joe Rainwin is our special guest and he is with
excuse me, Paranormalnew England dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What's the best way for people.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
To contact you if in fact they do want to
have your services to investigate what they believe to be
a haunted location.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Joe, they can go right to that website.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
They can go right to Paranormal New England dot com
and we have a team email address, and we also
have a Facebook page that we monitor daily, so between
the Facebook page and the website, folks can definitely get
a hold of us.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
All right, Joe, standbye.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
We've got to take another break here and xtonation.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
This is the Xcelle.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'm Rob McConnell and we're coming to you on your
hometown radio here in Saint Catherine's Classic twelve twenty www
dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA. And if you'd like
to send me an email, it's very simple. X Zone
at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Joe and I return
after this break. Don't go away, excell Nation. Joe raid
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One is our special guest. Paranormal New England dot com
is their website, and you're listening to the X One
with your Shirley, Rob McConnell from our broadcast center in
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Speaker 2 (29:41):
Joe, Well, I've.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Spoken to a number of paranormal investigators over the years,
and some of them report feeling sick in the midst
of an investigation or shortly before the investigation has reached
its end. Have you or any of your members ever
had this experience?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
We have.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Yeah, I've felt a little nauseous prior to investigating in
at certain points during an investigation. I'm you know, I'm
not exactly sure whether it was something just you know,
physically induced, or whether it was something of paranormal in nature,
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you know, to jokingly enough, typically we do go out
to eat before we we do a case, so you know,
I'm sure some of that is probably fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Here's a question, and it's a direct question, Joe, does
evil exist?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I think it does. I think it does.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
And during your paranormal investigations, have you ever seen any
evidence that what you're dealing with is something evil, something demonic?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
And so how do you handle that?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
I'm going to go on record, I I don't believe
in in demons, but I believe that there are evil spirits.
I believe that if you were kind of not so
great in life, then why would that change in death? Uh,
just to put it mildly, I mean, like I said,
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the worst that's probably ever happened to myself or any
of our teammates. A few of my teammates, I did say,
did get scratched, I did get pushed, mainly just I've
I've been called a lot of derogatory terms via EVP
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Really yes, yes?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Why do you think they that they'd use derogatory words
or curse and cuss you or your team? What do
they expect to accomplish with that?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
You know?
Speaker 6 (31:57):
I don't know if if they just want to present
themselves as like a like, as like a bad ass
or or or something to that degree, or they want
to portray themselves like, hey, like I'm I'm evil, I'm
a demon. My group, I can tell you right now,
we go into any location, whether it's a public hunt
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or or a private home case, with the utmost respect.
We don't provoke in any way, shape or form. Widge
is there to hopefully get answers for ourselves, answers for
the clients, answers for the location. All I do is
ask questions that I just hope I get, you know,
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some type of informational response. And in the process of
asking these questions, I've gotten some really really nasty things
said to me, Uh, why do why do why do.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You guys call it a ghost hunt? Because usually when
you go on a hunt, h intend on capturing or
killing something, and ghosts are already dead. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I don't know who coined the term hunt, Rob, to
be honest with you, but yeah, you bring up a
really good point, you know. So, Yeah, and I think
it's easier to just say we're going on a ghost
hunt rather than we're going on a paranormal investigation. It
takes It's just ghost hunt is shorter and it rolls
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off the tongue a little more smoothly.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Okay, what's your take on this booming paratourism industry that
is cropping up all over the place.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Well, if the money is going back into the location,
I'm one hundred percent all for it. There are there
are historic places that are in need of dire repair.
And if the owners have said location are taking the
funds from these ghost hunts and tours and things like
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that and are putting them back into the location to
keep the location open for future other paranormal investigators, I'm
all for it. You know, some folks, you know, I
think it is a little it might be a little
bit of a cash grab for them. Because you know,
you go to the same place that you know it
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needed a roof five years ago, and you go out
there five years later and it still needs a roof.
You kind of have to scratch ahead and question that.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I would imagine.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So, but if a place is repaired, isn't there the
possibility that the repairs will actually affect the paranormal activity
within it?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Yes, And And to answer that question in another way,
when we do get a the potential residential case that
comes in, like one of the very first questions we
ask is has there been a recent remodeling done to
the property? And more than half the time the answer
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is yes. So I think a remodel would definitely stir
up the paranormal activity in the location.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
But is it possible that it may also quiet or
cancel the paranormal activity in that location since whatever may
be causing the spirits or the entities to remain there,
For example, a I don't know, a clock or an
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old stool, whatever, if that is removed, or there's a
wall that has to be removed and that wall was
the center of focal point of the paranormal activity. Isn't
it possible that by removing that or repairing it, it
may in fact cancel the paranormal activity within that property.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Well, I would say anything's possible, you know, and and
and especially if more so taking something out of a
out of a location.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I mean, the.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Spirit just could have been attached to, like you said,
like a grandfather clock, say, and then that clock gets
taken out of the location for whatever reason. And I
think that has a lot to do with like when
folks go to these antique places and they buy these antiques.
These antiques clearly came from some location, and now this
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clock is in somebody's home, So I guess that could
take the spirit out of that original location. And now
you have a person that is calling us because all
of a sudden they're having paranormal experiences in their home
and they don't know why. So I could see that
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that point is very very valid that if an object
or something is taken out of a location, that it
could quiet or quell the location.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Does ones religious philosophy have an effect on the paranormal activity?
Speaker 6 (37:25):
So, I mean, I'm a Roman Catholic. We don't get
into any type of religion when we're questioning potential home
case whatsoever. I mean, sometimes it just happens to come
out in the conversation, but we don't particularly base our
findings on any type of religion.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Does holy water work?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I think holy water works if you want it to work.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Have you ever had the need to call in members
of the clergy to clear or help you investigate a
house that may show signs of demonic possession?
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Well, I'm gonna go on a limb again, and this
is just my personal belief that I do not believe
there's anything demonic out there, but in order to make
a homeowner feel more at ease, yes, we have involved
local clergy to come out to the house and bless
the house. I personally think it was more of a
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placebo right to help.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
The homeowner than anything else where.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Do you see a paranormal investigating in five years from now?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Never thought about that. You know, well, I'll tell you Rob.
In my thirteen years, not much has changed. The technology
as far as recorders and cameras has obviously gotten better.
I mean when I started back ten years ago, everything
was on a digital video tape, and now everything go
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right to an s D card. I would imagine that
we'll probably see some more gadgets invented. And I just
feel as though the quality of cameras in audio is
going to be that much greater in five years, and
for that matter, that much smaller, which helps us out
because now you know, if you can limit your gear
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cases to smaller equipment, you know, you're just better off
in general.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
What about these voice boxes that are being sold, do
they work?
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (39:46):
So in my opinion, I would say that I think
you're referring to a ghost box or a sparrot box, right, Yeah.
So I will say that when I initially started my
journey in parallel investigating, I did not believe in ghost.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Boxes or sparrout boxes.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I have changed my stance on that after being out
with different teams and seeing some of the results they
have gotten with these particular devices, I feel as though
there is definitely something to them. And I'll also kind
of based out on the fact that we've gotten direct
responses via that that particular that's called ITC. When you
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use a ghost box or a SPA up box, that's
called instrumental transcommunication. By the way, for the audience, And
again I'll go back to some derogatory statements.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
I have heard some very derogatory things.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Via a ghost box spaut box, and that's something that
I know. The FCC would never in a bazillion years
allowed to go on public airwaves.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
That is so true, either would Classic twelve twenty.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I was gonna mention that.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Have you ever had an encounter that or an investigation that.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Involves children?
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Yes, yes, I have does.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
How does the investigation of a child in the paranormal
effect you and your team? And I've got about a
minute before I have to go for my break.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
It's it's very disheartening when you hear the voice of
a child. I'm a parent, I have two children. Most
of the members on the team have kids, so it's
disheartening when during an EVP session you hear a child
calling for its mother and you hear babies crying.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yeah, I imagine it would be because I'm you know,
Laura and I have six children. We have fifteen grandchildren,
two great grandchildren, so that would be very, very taxing.
I'm sure on any parent. You and I have to
take our final break for this hour. Joe, please stand
by and explanation. I guess this hours Joan rain One
His website is Paranormal New England dot com. I also
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have a Facebook page which is Facebook dot com forward
slash Paranormal New England. They have a YouTube channel and
all you need to do is go to YouTube and
type in Paranormal New England and their videos will.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
All pop up all over the place. This is the
Next Zone.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I am Rob McConnell and we're coming to you from
our broadcast center in studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada,
and we're on your hometown Radio Classic twelve twenty at
www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Ex ex shoe last twenty and.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Welcome back every one.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
This is the X On with your SHIRLI Rob McConnell
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Speaker 2 (44:17):
Rob McConnell.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Moddy through Friday, at eleven PM right here on Classic
twelve twenty www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA, and
you can always send me an email to xone at
Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Joe Rainone is our special
guest and Joe the Paranormal New England group. What has
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been your your number one investigation that you and your
team believe that this is the investigation of all investigations.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
We did an investigation of trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum and
the amount of activity in that location was, for lack
of a better term, off the paranormal chart from the
second we walked through those doors till the second we left.
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You want to talk about electronic voice phenomenon, You know,
it's it's very you know, you go into a location
and if you come out of that location with one
really good clear EVP like you would consider that, you know,
a very good night. Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Just about
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every single time we hit a record button on a recorder,
we had an EVP.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Now do all the teams that go there get EVPs?
And are they always the same EVPs or are they
different EVPs?
Speaker 5 (45:54):
So interestingly enough, when we were at trans Alleghany.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Our guide for the night basically said that, you know,
the last night's group that came through here, it was
very quiet here. We didn't get they didn't get much
of anything. And then you know, we show up there
the following night and like I said, the place was
like off the hook paranormally speaking. So that's that's a
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real you know, that's a real hit or miss type
thing when you when you when you book a book
a location.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Uh. The interesting.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
Piece to this is we were in a certain room
in trans Allegheny and the tour guide was telling us
the story how one of the patients killed another patient
by hanging them and stabbing them. And the girl was like, yeah,
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and the last time I was here, I got this
EVP saying I'm a monster. And we had our recorder
running while she was telling us the story of the
murder and of her EVP, and during our recording we
got the same exact EVP that she got.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
We got a voice saying I'm a monster. What about the.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Other parts of the paranormal investigation where there is articles
that move and people actually get the impression that they're
being watched and that there's cold spots hotspots. Do you
guys also encounter experience all those other signs and symptoms
of a paranormal activity when you're out there.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
Yeah, so it's rare to get something as far as
like a poltergeist activity where something moves, but that has
definitely happened to us. That happened to us in Gettysburg.
We were investigating an old farmhouse that served as a
Confederate hospital and we actually had one of our glow
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sticks that was down on one of the tables in
the basement actually kind of on command, shoot off the table.
Didn't didn't didn't didn't roll off, didn't fall off. It
was like it went two to three feet right across
the room. And that was just something that probably about
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ten to fifteen minutes prior to that, I had just asked, hey,
you know, if there's any spirits down here of any
of any Civil War soldiers, you know, can you knock
that glow stick off the table? And it happened, and
to our dismay, and it was one of those things
we just didn't have a camera on it, we didn't
have a recorder running to document it. And you know,
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I just looked at everybody and said, you know what,
even if we did have a camera on it, nobody
was gonna believe us. They're going to think somebody tugged
that with a with a fishing line or something like that.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
But why would they think that? Is there that much deception?
And despite within the paranormal groups.
Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
I think there's a lot of evidence fabrication going on,
and I think the whole YouTube generation kind of kind
of nudge that along a little bit more because nobody's
gonna want to watch a video unless something happens, you.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Know, and again, not everything, not everything happens.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
And we've been to locations, We've been to specific locations
like again like the ESK Paris mansion and Gardner Mass.
I've lost track at how many times I've investigated that
particular location and we'll go in there, we'll spend our
sixty eight to ten hours there and nothing could happen
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the whole night, and the very next trip in there,
it's like a different house. So you just can't bank
on paranormal activity happening, even in a.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Location that has had it prior.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
So if you're a YouTube creator and you're banking on
people watching your video, you know, I wouldn't be surprised
that they're they're doing something as far as fabricating evidence.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Let's go back a couple of minutes, because we were
talking about this paranormal place that you went, and you've
got this EVP, the same EVP that another young lady
got about. Yes, okay, where the person said, I am
a monster? Does the paranormal activity have anything to.
Speaker 7 (50:57):
Do with.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
The weather, the phase of the moon, the electromagnetic area
where the paranormal location is lay lines?
Speaker 6 (51:13):
So at one point in time, we had a prior
member who was an actual scientist and he was a
number cruncher. So when we got a call to do something,
he documented everything you just mentioned in more, humidity, barometer, temperature,
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phase of the moon, you name it. The one correlation
he could make was that lay Lines definitely had something
to do with it. I wish I could get into
it further, Rob, but I'm just not qualified.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
Why do people seek the paranormal? Why do people look
for spirits? Why do people look for ghosts? All these
years and like you yourself said, nothing has changed, so
why continue?
Speaker 6 (52:14):
Yeah, you have to have a passion for it, because again,
more often than not, nothing happens truth be told and again,
you know, you go to a spot and if you
come out of there with one EVP, it was a
good night. But it's just like I just I kind
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of simulate it to like my golf game.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
You know, I'm a terrible golfer, and.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
I'll lose balls, I'll shank and i'll hook, and but
I'll remember that drive that I was dead center in
the fairway. Like I'll come home talking about that, you know.
So that's what keeps me going.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
You know.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
Personally, I think a lot of people just have questions
because they've had their own paranormal experiences and they want
to know why that happened or how that happened and
is that going to happen again? And I think that
fuels it for certain people as well.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
Let's say that tomorrow and night, there's a news conference
and the members of the scientific community are able to
prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that is the
person the group who are actually creating the paranormal event,
and that there is nothing paranormal about it.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
What do you think what happened to.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
The paranormal groups.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
I honestly don't think anything would change.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
I really don't think I think Groops would still go
out and do it, you know, I mean, I so
you're basically saying that it's related to the personalities and
the groups that's causing the phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
I'm just saying that this would be something that the
scientific community would come up with and say, listen, there's
no such thing as the paranormal.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Here's our proof.
Speaker 5 (54:13):
Boom.
Speaker 6 (54:15):
Oh. You know, it's just like trying to convince a skeptic.
I think, you know, I believe in it now. I've
been doing it long enough. I know the paranormal is real.
I know it's not what it's portrayed on television. At
this point in time, I don't think it would change
anything for me, because, I mean, science has been proven
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wrong in the past.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
So what was it that turned you from a non
believer into the hardcore believer that you are today.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
It's the phenomenon of electronic voice phenomenon. And when I
went out, when I started doing this, I probably went
a solid six months wrote ever capturing an EVP, and
I was at the point where, like, I don't think
that the phenomenon is true. I think it's fake. I
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think it's just not possible. How come, I haven't gotten anything.
And then it happened. I got my very first EVP.
It was a home case in Weymouth, mass We were
out in the woods backyard of this home where the
lady was like, I'm hearing kids laughing and giggling and
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running through my house.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
I don't have kids. I caught my.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
Very first EVP of a child basically calling my name.
Speaker 5 (55:47):
Now that sold it for me, right there.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
Listen, Joe, it's a time where we must say so
long for tonight, but do me a favorite. Let our
listeners know how they can contact you and give the
give your website and your Facebook page out.
Speaker 6 (56:00):
Yeah, so if anybody wants to get a hold of us,
we're www dot paranorm Paranormalnew England dot com. All the
links to any of our social media is out there.
We do have a Facebook page, we do have a
YouTube channel, and I would say go to the website
page and get our links from there.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
Joe, thanks very much for joining us, and I look
forward to the next time you and I meet right
here back in the X Zone on Classic twelve twenty.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
Thank you for having me. Ron.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
You have a nice night, sir, you sir, all right, exponation.
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Speaker 2 (57:04):
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The fact is fiction, had fiction is reality. And tomorrow
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Craig for all your hard work, and to each and
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Speaker 2 (57:32):
I'm Rob McConnell.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
This is the Xzone, and you're listening to us on
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now here's your host, Rob McConnell.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And welcome to the exone everyone.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I am Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our
studios in St. Catharines, Ontario and your hometown Radio Classic
twelve twenty at www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
If you'd like to send me an email, it's very simple.
Xzone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA and we'll get
back to you as soon as we can. Now, my
first guest tonight is Joe rain One and Joe, welcome
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to the xxone.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Thank you, Rob, appreciate the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right, tell us a little bit about yourself, Joe.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
So, I'm just a normal, regular nine to five guy.
I'm an IT manager, but as a hobby, I'm a
part time paranormal investigator. I've been doing it since I'm
twenty ten, so this is my thirteenth year.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
What was it that got you into investigating the paranormal?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Joe?
Speaker 6 (01:44):
So, unlike most paranormal investigators, Rob, they typically have had
some type of a paranormal experience that peaked their interest
to look further into the phenomenon. For me, it was
a little different. It was actually the introductions of the
ghost hunting shows in the early to mid two thousands
that got me peaked.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I was more.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Curious as to whether it was just put on for
entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And what did you find there?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Well, a few things.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
It is absolutely real, paranormal experiences can definitely happen. But
I also feel as though the television shows tend to
overdramatize things, and you know, possibly you know, dare I
even say, maybe fabric fabricate some evidence.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Can you give us some examples of that, Joe.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, well, speaking for myself, Rob, you know, when you
paranormal investigate a location, you can be there, you know, hours,
possibly days and not get.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
A single shred of evidence.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
And in order to have a television show, a weekly
television show and to have reels of evidence, I just
don't think it's possible from my experience.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Now, when you go and do a paranormal investigation, Joe,
do you go by yourself or do you go with
the team?
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I never go by myself. I will at least go
with one other person, but primarily I do go with
my team.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Now, where are some of the places that you've gone
to do paranormal investigations with you and your team?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So we're based out of New England. We're very lucky
that we're rich in a lot of history. We're just
outside of Boston. There's also Salem, Massachusetts. You know where
the witch trials were. So we've done a bulk of
different locations in Salem, including home residential cases. We have
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done the ever so famous Lizzie Borden House. We have
done local spots that maybe some of the audience wouldn't
know but are actually very big in the paranormal community.
A few places off the top of my head is
the Escape Paris Mansion and Gardner, Mass It's been in
quite a number of different TV shows throughout the years,
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along with the Houghton Mansion in North Adams, mass. And
another popular spot which has gained some traction is the Usssalem,
which is a naval battleship docked outside of Quincy, mass.
So those are some of the more local ones. We've
also traveled throughout the country and done a lot various prisons,
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various asylums, things like that.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I noticed on the information that you sent US, so
that you've also done investigations at the Waverly Hills, the
Ohio State Reformatory, Eastern State Penitentiary, Penhurst Asylum, Rolling Hills Asylum,
and the Shane Lee Hotel.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I've got to ask you.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
These have been featured on many, many tele television shows.
Why do the ghosts or the spirits remain there?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Do they enjoy being on TV?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Really really good question.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I'm not sure whether they enjoy being on TV or not,
but I think they enjoy the fact that a lot
of people are going to those locations specifically to elicit
communication with them.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Okay, now, when you were at let's say, Waverley Hills,
what kind of paranormal activity did you and your team encounter?
Speaker 6 (05:35):
So you picked a really, really great one. Waverly Hills
is definitely probably in the easily the top three of
locations that we've gone to that have really had wonderful evidence,
so to speak. So the bulker of our evidence is audio.
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There's a phenomenon called EVE, which stands for Electronic Voice phenomenon,
and that's essentially you're recording a conversation with a recorder.
Can be digital, can be analog, could even be a
cell phone and you're asking questions in the hope of
getting a response, and when you receive the response, it's
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not audible to the human ears, but the devices actually
can pick it up. So Waverly was really really wonderful
as far as getting a lot of electronic voice phenomenon.
We were getting direct answers to some of our questions.
Another very rare phenomenon that actually took place at Waverley
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is called a disembodied voice. So that's when you hear
a voice that your naked ear is picking it up.
It's so you're not relying on the equipment.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's very very rare.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
It's probably only happened a handful of times to us
and to myself. Waverly was actually one of those locations
where we actually caught a disembodied voice, and it just
so happened to be right in front of the Death
Tunnel affectionately known and Waverly is the death Tunnel, because
that was the shoot where they would transport the bodies
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after you know, patient's circumbed to you know, TV or
or whatnot.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, how is it possible that you do not hear
when you're doing an EVP, you do not hear the
response to your questions or however you and your team
do it, and yet it registers on a digital or
analog recording device.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Rob, I'll tell you, if I had that answer for you,
I could unlock a big secret. Nobody really knows. Nobody
knows how they imprint their voice. They you know, they
don't you know the theories that it's coming through the field,
the electromagnitic frequency field. The thing that kind of gets
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me a little bit is the fact that how are
they hearing me.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
When I ask a question?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You know, are they on the other side with a
particular device that they using to hear me?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Good question.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Mind you, mediums and other psychics can communicate with the
other side without the use of any any equipment, So
how come investigating the paranormal as an EVP requires the
equipment instead of the direct contact that mediums and psychics have.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
So for our team, we don't have any mediums with
psychics on the team, nor are we scientists, but we
are professional and we rely on equipment. So we want
to be more scientific based. Like I said, even though
none of us are scientists, we just want to rely
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mainly on equipment because it's you know, if you get
something on equipment, it's there, it's in black and white,
we can share it.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So during your investigations, first of all, if somebody was
to call you up and say, Joe, I heard you
on the x zon on Classic twelve twenty how and
I think I've got a ghost in my house, Joe,
can you come down and visit us? And these people
are in the area with that you actually live in,
and let's say in Massachusetts, somewhere near Boston, how would
you conduct the investigation.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Well, first off, Rob, we would do a thorough vetting
of the client first and foremost, because just throughout the years,
we've realized that there's a lot, for lack of a
better term, there's a lot of mental illness and potential
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under the influence of alcohol or prescription drug use, and
people seem to think that they might be having some
type of paranormal activity when in you know, reality, it's
it's probably induced by again mental illness or you know,
potential drug or alcohol use. So we would do it
thorough vetting of the client just to kind of rule
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that out before we would even invest any of our
time in visiting the location. And you know, we definitely
don't want to put ourselves in harms way either. And
through the through the course of the years, we've you know,
we've kind of wasted a lot of cycles just with
claims that were kind of nonsense. But but after the
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vetting process, we would typically what we would do is
we would do a like a walk through first of
the location with the homeowners there, get their stories, get
the so called hotspots of where they might have seen
something or heard something.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
We would take notes. We would sweep the.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Home again for those EMF fields that I spoke to
you a little a little bit earlier about. Those are
fields of electromagnetic frequency that are generated by large appliances,
faulty wiring, things like that. We would do a base
sweep of the location because we want to make sure
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that when we are eventually there to paranormal investigate in
our equipment that's designed to pick up EMF as going off,
that we know that it's not the refrigerator on the
other side of the wall, or you know, a washer
or a dry or anything like that. So that that
would be why we would do the walk through, and
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then we would schedule the home investigation at a different
point in time at that point, we would kind of
prefer that the homeowners aren't in the house, but if
they insist on being, they we would obviously welcome them
as well, and we would typically spend you know, anywhere
between four in six hours in the location see if
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we can document any evidence and collaborate some of the
some of the claims of the paranormal activity for the homeowners.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Okay, now you're taking you're accumulating all this data through
your investigation. How long does it take you to go
through the data, go through the EVPs, go through any
video files that you've collected, to come to your conclusion
as to whether or not there is a haunting there
or if it is just something else that has nothing
to do with the paranormal It's.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Actually a great question, Rob. So basically, for every recorder
you have running, and for every camera you have running,
you need to sit and review audio and video for
each one of those cameras. So it's a painstaking process.
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It's a painstaking process.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So on the average, what are we looking at an
extra fifteen to twenty hours worth of work easily?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, And how many investigations do you do?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Do you do a year?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Joe with your your team.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
So the it's quieted down a lot.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
There was a so we used to have a one
eight hundred number, and back in the day, probably in
the mid mid two thousands, we would probably take at
least three to four phone calls a week on that
one eight hundred line. And then but that was also
kind of like the height of the paranormal television shows
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and things like that, So I think people kind of
maybe thought they might add something going on, and they
realized teams are out, they had to investigate.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Hey, Joe, I hate to do this, but I've got
to take a break. Please stand by ex oonation. Our
guest this hour is Joe rain One. His website is
Paranormalnew England dot com. And we'll be back on the
other side of this break as we continue here in
the X on Your Hometown Radio Classic twelve twenty www
dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Welcome back to the X, all,
(14:50):
and I'm Rob Oconnell. We're coming to you from our
broadcast entering studios in St. Catherines, Ontario, on your Hometown
Radio Classic twelve twenty www dot Classic twelve. Joe rain
Win is our special guest Paranormal New England. Sorry Paranormal
New England dot com. Joel, thanks for joining us tonight.
And I have to ask you this, Joe, has there
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ever been an investigation that you've done that you had
the bejeeber scared out of you.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I'm gonna answer you totally honestly. No, never, not once.
I don't think I'd be doing this if I got
easily rattled.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
So has there any been anything that you've seen or
heard during an investigation that that makes you believe that
the paranormal is very real?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
So again, a lot of the audio evidence we've gotten
throughout the years, we've gotten direct responses to questions as
far as you know, who's still residing in the location,
And we've gotten in certain cases for us and last
names that we could actually go back and look through
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like some type of an archive and actually find that
there was such a person that did exist in that spot.
So the audio stuff is very real and it's very informative.
The visual piece is a lot hotter to capture and
document for whatever reason. I just don't know whether they
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don't have enough energy to manifest I have. I can
say that I have never seen an apparition in my
you know, thirteen plus years now of doing this, I
think the closest thing I've seen is what is termed.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
A shadow figure.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I saw that at a local, very very popular location
here in New England, which is the Conjuring House in Barisville,
Rhode Island that spawned that whole Conjuring House movie series.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
So that was one of.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
The real tangible things that I can say I've seen
with my own eyes was a shadow figure, and it was.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Humanoid and form. It didn't have any.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Particular features that I could say, well, it was a
male or it was a female, but I could see
you tosso limbs head and it was just like a
gray mass that moved rather quickly. So that was one
of the more profound things I have seen in my experience.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So when you're out on these investigations, have you ever
been scratched, Have you ever been pushed?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Have you ever.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Felt any physical evidence of the ghost or the spirit?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I have ever been scratched.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I have seen scratches appear on teammates as we've investigated,
just out of nowhere, So I can't speak to the
phenomenon myself. I have been nudged near some staircases I
guess we'll go back to to Waverly. That that phenomenon
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did happen to me at Waverley. It felt like a
you know, a hand just kind of gave me a
little nudge when I was near an open staircase. Fortunately
it wasn't hot enough that I, you know, ended up
going down. It another experience that I've had rob that
I never experienced before. And I always heard of people saying, oh, well,
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you know, Joe, you've gotten that cobweb feeling, haven't you,
And you know, my honest answer was like, no, I
I haven't, and they're like, oh, well you'll you'll know
when you get it. And that recently happened to me,
probably this past fall. I was at a local spot
in Weymouth, Massachusetts called the Emory Estate. It's a it's
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an estate that was given back to the town of
Weymouth and the town decided that they would opened the
house up as a museum and then the staff that
was there was having paranormal experiences, and they actually decided
to create a volunteer staff to lead folks on public
ghost hunts there. So I volunteered for them. I'm one
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of the staff there and It was actually a night
after one of the public ghost hunts. All of the
guests had left. I had walked upstairs to turn off
some of the lights, and I walked through a doorframe
of one of the bedrooms that mind you, I've walked
in and out of that doorframe probably a good half
a dozen times, just that night alone, and I got
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the sensation that I just.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Walked right through this big cobweb.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
And I knew that there's no way Spider could have
spun a big cob web like that since the last
time I was up in that area of the house.
So I just buy pure fate. I happened to have
my recorder on me. I hit the record button, I
started asking some questions who was up here with me?
And I probably got one of the clearest EVPs I've
ever captured in my career. I got a male voice
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saying the name Brandon, and he did it in an
Irish brogue, which really completely blew me away. So it
came out like Brandon please. So those are some of
the more physical things that I can speak to, you know,
because I've experienced it. As far as me experienced a scratch,
I can't say one way or another, how that feels.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
In your opinion? Why are these spirits? Why are these
ghosts staying behind? Why don't they go to the light?
Why don't they go to the next dimension or wherever
ghosts go when they decided to leave home.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I think some and this is personal, you know, you
asked me for my personal because none of this is
proven yet. But I just think some are trapped in
like some type of a go between realm between now,
between Earth and you know, if you want to say heaven,
why they are trapped or maybe not trapped but want
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to stay here. I mean I would go probably with
you know, maybe they just loved the place that they're in.
I mean, speaking for the Emery estate, I could say
that because it's a beautiful house, it's a beautiful grounds.
I could kind of understand why a spirit might want
to hang there. When you start talking about some of
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the more darker locations, like the Waiverleies and like the
prisons and things like that, I'm not exactly sure why
the lack of a better term, a soul or a
spirit would still want to stay there.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
My only guess is that I think they're just trapped
there for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Why is it some people have the ability to have
an experience with the paranormal and other people don't.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, I've known groups that go in twenty thirty people,
maybe five or six people will have an actual experience
and the other people say, well, we felt nothing, we
saw nothing, absolutely zip.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, It's it's very common.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I just think certain people are more open to it,
maybe maybe mentally.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Other people.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
You know, if you're a die hard skeptic, something maybe
going on that you're not You're not even aware of it.
You're not even going to put it into the fact
that it might be something paranormal. Speaking again to some
of those public ghost hunts that I've been privy to
and have led, you know, there's dynamics in groups. So
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you could take a group of four or five people again,
I'll use the Emory state as a prime example. You
could take them through that house rum by rum, just
with your equipment, using your audio, using your video, and
some groups, for whatever reason, we don't get anything, We
don't get any e VP, we don't get any equipment.
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Going off later in the night, you take a different
group up there, and it's like a different house, you know,
and I can only surmise that it has something to
do with the personalities of the people there.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
There's some thought within the scientific community that the paranormal
events that are reported during a.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Tour or a.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Or a ghost hunter are actually perpetrated by members of
the group itself and are manifested that way. What's your
opinion on that.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I've heard the same.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
I think it's going to go back to the statement
I just I just said. I think it has something
to do with just the people being more open to
experiencing something.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
They're more believable. I'm sorry, Rob, The people are more believable.
They want something to happen, so they believe something is
going to happen. So is it possible that they're actually
creating that something that they're looking for.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
That's a good possibility.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I was thinking more along the lines that they they
they're believers now, whether they had paranormal experiences or not,
they just believe in it. And for whatever reason, it's
those more open minded groups that definitely have more experiences.
I've just noticed it time and time again. You know,
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you got a people, a group of people that are
that are more skeptical and usually like I'll say, like
that group was kind of flat, like, meaning like we
didn't get anything with them, you.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Know, Okay, I can understand that. I guess I'm trying
to quantify how some people within a group can experience
the paranormal and others can't. Do you think that the
people who go on these or the majority of people
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that go on the ghost tours, for example, have seen
television shows and their expectation of something to happen is
higher than the people who go there who may be
a little skeptical.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I think that's a safe statement. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
When you and your team go out on an investigation,
how many members are in your team?
Speaker 6 (25:35):
First of all, we currently have thirteen members in Paranormal
New England.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Now do all of you go out at the same
time to the same location.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
It's very rare that we'll have a full team out
at an investigation. It usually it usually averages out to
about six to seven people because again we're all professionals,
all have day jobs, it's a hobby for us. We
all have families, so not everybody can make every single investigation.
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So out of thirteen, if we get called in to
do something, if we can get half the team to
show up, that's a good number.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
There are many people who believe that objects in museums
haunted locations can be possessed for a lack of better word,
how do you and your group protect yourselves from not
bringing someone unwanted home with you, I mean of the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Well, I can answer this.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
I know in my thirteen years, as far as I know,
I've never brought anything home with me. I don't think
any of our any of my teammates have because I'm
sure somebody would have mentioned that to one of us.
I know people that claim that they've been to very
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active locations and then the next day, you know, like
they had cabinets in their home open and things like that.
They're credible people. I believe them. I can only speak
for myself and my team, like we've never had that
type of experience after an investigation.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Ex O Nation, I guess this hour is Joe not yet,
not yet.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Joe Rainwin is our special guest and he is with
excuse me, Paranormalnew England dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What's the best way for people.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
To contact you if in fact they do want to
have your services to investigate what they believe to be
a haunted location.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Joe, they can go right to that website.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
They can go right to Paranormal New England dot com
and we have a team email address, and we also
have a Facebook page that we monitor daily, so between
the Facebook page and the website, folks can definitely get
a hold of us.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
All right, Joe, standbye.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
We've got to take another break here and xtonation.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
This is the Xcelle.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'm Rob McConnell and we're coming to you on your
hometown radio here in Saint Catherine's Classic twelve twenty www
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to send me an email, it's very simple. X Zone
at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Joe and I return
after this break. Don't go away, excell Nation. Joe raid
(29:24):
One is our special guest. Paranormal New England dot com
is their website, and you're listening to the X One
with your Shirley, Rob McConnell from our broadcast center in
studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, on your hometown radio Classic
twelve twenty www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Joe, Well, I've.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Spoken to a number of paranormal investigators over the years,
and some of them report feeling sick in the midst
of an investigation or shortly before the investigation has reached
its end. Have you or any of your members ever
had this experience?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
We have.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Yeah, I've felt a little nauseous prior to investigating in
at certain points during an investigation. I'm you know, I'm
not exactly sure whether it was something just you know,
physically induced, or whether it was something of paranormal in nature,
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you know, to jokingly enough, typically we do go out
to eat before we we do a case, so you know,
I'm sure some of that is probably fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Here's a question, and it's a direct question, Joe, does
evil exist?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I think it does. I think it does.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
And during your paranormal investigations, have you ever seen any
evidence that what you're dealing with is something evil, something demonic?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
And so how do you handle that?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
I'm going to go on record, I I don't believe
in in demons, but I believe that there are evil spirits.
I believe that if you were kind of not so
great in life, then why would that change in death? Uh,
just to put it mildly, I mean, like I said,
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the worst that's probably ever happened to myself or any
of our teammates. A few of my teammates, I did say,
did get scratched, I did get pushed, mainly just I've
I've been called a lot of derogatory terms via EVP
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Really yes, yes?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Why do you think they that they'd use derogatory words
or curse and cuss you or your team? What do
they expect to accomplish with that?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
You know?
Speaker 6 (31:57):
I don't know if if they just want to present
themselves as like a like, as like a bad ass
or or or something to that degree, or they want
to portray themselves like, hey, like I'm I'm evil, I'm
a demon. My group, I can tell you right now,
we go into any location, whether it's a public hunt
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or or a private home case, with the utmost respect.
We don't provoke in any way, shape or form. Widge
is there to hopefully get answers for ourselves, answers for
the clients, answers for the location. All I do is
ask questions that I just hope I get, you know,
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some type of informational response. And in the process of
asking these questions, I've gotten some really really nasty things
said to me, Uh, why do why do why do.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You guys call it a ghost hunt? Because usually when
you go on a hunt, h intend on capturing or
killing something, and ghosts are already dead. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I don't know who coined the term hunt, Rob, to
be honest with you, but yeah, you bring up a
really good point, you know. So, Yeah, and I think
it's easier to just say we're going on a ghost
hunt rather than we're going on a paranormal investigation. It
takes It's just ghost hunt is shorter and it rolls
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off the tongue a little more smoothly.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Okay, what's your take on this booming paratourism industry that
is cropping up all over the place.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Well, if the money is going back into the location,
I'm one hundred percent all for it. There are there
are historic places that are in need of dire repair.
And if the owners have said location are taking the
funds from these ghost hunts and tours and things like
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that and are putting them back into the location to
keep the location open for future other paranormal investigators, I'm
all for it. You know, some folks, you know, I
think it is a little it might be a little
bit of a cash grab for them. Because you know,
you go to the same place that you know it
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needed a roof five years ago, and you go out
there five years later and it still needs a roof.
You kind of have to scratch ahead and question that.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I would imagine.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So, but if a place is repaired, isn't there the
possibility that the repairs will actually affect the paranormal activity
within it?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Yes, And And to answer that question in another way,
when we do get a the potential residential case that
comes in, like one of the very first questions we
ask is has there been a recent remodeling done to
the property? And more than half the time the answer
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is yes. So I think a remodel would definitely stir
up the paranormal activity in the location.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
But is it possible that it may also quiet or
cancel the paranormal activity in that location since whatever may
be causing the spirits or the entities to remain there,
For example, a I don't know, a clock or an
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old stool, whatever, if that is removed, or there's a
wall that has to be removed and that wall was
the center of focal point of the paranormal activity. Isn't
it possible that by removing that or repairing it, it
may in fact cancel the paranormal activity within that property.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Well, I would say anything's possible, you know, and and
and especially if more so taking something out of a
out of a location.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I mean, the.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Spirit just could have been attached to, like you said,
like a grandfather clock, say, and then that clock gets
taken out of the location for whatever reason. And I
think that has a lot to do with like when
folks go to these antique places and they buy these antiques.
These antiques clearly came from some location, and now this
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clock is in somebody's home, So I guess that could
take the spirit out of that original location. And now
you have a person that is calling us because all
of a sudden they're having paranormal experiences in their home
and they don't know why. So I could see that
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that point is very very valid that if an object
or something is taken out of a location, that it
could quiet or quell the location.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Does ones religious philosophy have an effect on the paranormal activity?
Speaker 6 (37:25):
So, I mean, I'm a Roman Catholic. We don't get
into any type of religion when we're questioning potential home
case whatsoever. I mean, sometimes it just happens to come
out in the conversation, but we don't particularly base our
findings on any type of religion.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Does holy water work?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I think holy water works if you want it to work.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Have you ever had the need to call in members
of the clergy to clear or help you investigate a
house that may show signs of demonic possession?
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Well, I'm gonna go on a limb again, and this
is just my personal belief that I do not believe
there's anything demonic out there, but in order to make
a homeowner feel more at ease, yes, we have involved
local clergy to come out to the house and bless
the house. I personally think it was more of a
(38:35):
placebo right to help.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
The homeowner than anything else where.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Do you see a paranormal investigating in five years from now?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Never thought about that. You know, well, I'll tell you Rob.
In my thirteen years, not much has changed. The technology
as far as recorders and cameras has obviously gotten better.
I mean when I started back ten years ago, everything
was on a digital video tape, and now everything go
(39:12):
right to an s D card. I would imagine that
we'll probably see some more gadgets invented. And I just
feel as though the quality of cameras in audio is
going to be that much greater in five years, and
for that matter, that much smaller, which helps us out
because now you know, if you can limit your gear
(39:35):
cases to smaller equipment, you know, you're just better off
in general.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
What about these voice boxes that are being sold, do
they work?
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (39:46):
So in my opinion, I would say that I think
you're referring to a ghost box or a sparrot box, right, Yeah.
So I will say that when I initially started my
journey in parallel investigating, I did not believe in ghost.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Boxes or sparrout boxes.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I have changed my stance on that after being out
with different teams and seeing some of the results they
have gotten with these particular devices, I feel as though
there is definitely something to them. And I'll also kind
of based out on the fact that we've gotten direct
responses via that that particular that's called ITC. When you
(40:31):
use a ghost box or a SPA up box, that's
called instrumental transcommunication. By the way, for the audience, And
again I'll go back to some derogatory statements.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
I have heard some very derogatory things.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Via a ghost box spaut box, and that's something that
I know. The FCC would never in a bazillion years
allowed to go on public airwaves.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
That is so true, either would Classic twelve twenty.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I was gonna mention that.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Have you ever had an encounter that or an investigation that.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Involves children?
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Yes, yes, I have does.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
How does the investigation of a child in the paranormal
effect you and your team? And I've got about a
minute before I have to go for my break.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
It's it's very disheartening when you hear the voice of
a child. I'm a parent, I have two children. Most
of the members on the team have kids, so it's
disheartening when during an EVP session you hear a child
calling for its mother and you hear babies crying.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yeah, I imagine it would be because I'm you know,
Laura and I have six children. We have fifteen grandchildren,
two great grandchildren, so that would be very, very taxing.
I'm sure on any parent. You and I have to
take our final break for this hour. Joe, please stand
by and explanation. I guess this hours Joan rain One
His website is Paranormal New England dot com. I also
(42:05):
have a Facebook page which is Facebook dot com forward
slash Paranormal New England. They have a YouTube channel and
all you need to do is go to YouTube and
type in Paranormal New England and their videos will.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
All pop up all over the place. This is the
Next Zone.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I am Rob McConnell and we're coming to you from
our broadcast center in studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada,
and we're on your hometown Radio Classic twelve twenty at
www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Ex ex shoe last twenty and.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Welcome back every one.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
This is the X On with your SHIRLI Rob McConnell
on your tone, your hometown Radio twelve twenty and uh
some great shows on twelve twenty. Join Stephen danny Z
first thing in the morning on the Morning Show, all
throughout the morning and parts of the day. My good
friend Chuck Lafleur, who is the news director at Classic
twelve twenty does the news on the drive home is
(44:13):
Pete Dictor and of course the X Zone with Here's Truli.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Rob McConnell.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Moddy through Friday, at eleven PM right here on Classic
twelve twenty www dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA, and
you can always send me an email to xone at
Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Joe Rainone is our special
guest and Joe the Paranormal New England group. What has
(44:41):
been your your number one investigation that you and your
team believe that this is the investigation of all investigations.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
We did an investigation of trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum and
the amount of activity in that location was, for lack
of a better term, off the paranormal chart from the
second we walked through those doors till the second we left.
(45:17):
You want to talk about electronic voice phenomenon, You know,
it's it's very you know, you go into a location
and if you come out of that location with one
really good clear EVP like you would consider that, you know,
a very good night. Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Just about
(45:39):
every single time we hit a record button on a recorder,
we had an EVP.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Now do all the teams that go there get EVPs?
And are they always the same EVPs or are they
different EVPs?
Speaker 5 (45:54):
So interestingly enough, when we were at trans Alleghany.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Our guide for the night basically said that, you know,
the last night's group that came through here, it was
very quiet here. We didn't get they didn't get much
of anything. And then you know, we show up there
the following night and like I said, the place was
like off the hook paranormally speaking. So that's that's a
(46:27):
real you know, that's a real hit or miss type
thing when you when you when you book a book
a location.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Uh. The interesting.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
Piece to this is we were in a certain room
in trans Allegheny and the tour guide was telling us
the story how one of the patients killed another patient
by hanging them and stabbing them. And the girl was like, yeah,
(47:02):
and the last time I was here, I got this
EVP saying I'm a monster. And we had our recorder
running while she was telling us the story of the
murder and of her EVP, and during our recording we
got the same exact EVP that she got.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
We got a voice saying I'm a monster. What about the.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Other parts of the paranormal investigation where there is articles
that move and people actually get the impression that they're
being watched and that there's cold spots hotspots. Do you
guys also encounter experience all those other signs and symptoms
of a paranormal activity when you're out there.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
Yeah, so it's rare to get something as far as
like a poltergeist activity where something moves, but that has
definitely happened to us. That happened to us in Gettysburg.
We were investigating an old farmhouse that served as a
Confederate hospital and we actually had one of our glow
(48:17):
sticks that was down on one of the tables in
the basement actually kind of on command, shoot off the table.
Didn't didn't didn't didn't roll off, didn't fall off. It
was like it went two to three feet right across
the room. And that was just something that probably about
(48:40):
ten to fifteen minutes prior to that, I had just asked, hey,
you know, if there's any spirits down here of any
of any Civil War soldiers, you know, can you knock
that glow stick off the table? And it happened, and
to our dismay, and it was one of those things
we just didn't have a camera on it, we didn't
have a recorder running to document it. And you know,
(49:04):
I just looked at everybody and said, you know what,
even if we did have a camera on it, nobody
was gonna believe us. They're going to think somebody tugged
that with a with a fishing line or something like that.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
But why would they think that? Is there that much deception?
And despite within the paranormal groups.
Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
I think there's a lot of evidence fabrication going on,
and I think the whole YouTube generation kind of kind
of nudge that along a little bit more because nobody's
gonna want to watch a video unless something happens, you.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Know, and again, not everything, not everything happens.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
And we've been to locations, We've been to specific locations
like again like the ESK Paris mansion and Gardner Mass.
I've lost track at how many times I've investigated that
particular location and we'll go in there, we'll spend our
sixty eight to ten hours there and nothing could happen
(50:02):
the whole night, and the very next trip in there,
it's like a different house. So you just can't bank
on paranormal activity happening, even in a.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Location that has had it prior.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
So if you're a YouTube creator and you're banking on
people watching your video, you know, I wouldn't be surprised
that they're they're doing something as far as fabricating evidence.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Let's go back a couple of minutes, because we were
talking about this paranormal place that you went, and you've
got this EVP, the same EVP that another young lady
got about. Yes, okay, where the person said, I am
a monster? Does the paranormal activity have anything to.
Speaker 7 (50:57):
Do with.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
The weather, the phase of the moon, the electromagnetic area
where the paranormal location is lay lines?
Speaker 6 (51:13):
So at one point in time, we had a prior
member who was an actual scientist and he was a
number cruncher. So when we got a call to do something,
he documented everything you just mentioned in more, humidity, barometer, temperature,
(51:36):
phase of the moon, you name it. The one correlation
he could make was that lay Lines definitely had something
to do with it. I wish I could get into
it further, Rob, but I'm just not qualified.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
Why do people seek the paranormal? Why do people look
for spirits? Why do people look for ghosts? All these
years and like you yourself said, nothing has changed, so
why continue?
Speaker 6 (52:14):
Yeah, you have to have a passion for it, because again,
more often than not, nothing happens truth be told and again,
you know, you go to a spot and if you
come out of there with one EVP, it was a
good night. But it's just like I just I kind
(52:36):
of simulate it to like my golf game.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
You know, I'm a terrible golfer, and.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
I'll lose balls, I'll shank and i'll hook, and but
I'll remember that drive that I was dead center in
the fairway. Like I'll come home talking about that, you know.
So that's what keeps me going.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
You know.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
Personally, I think a lot of people just have questions
because they've had their own paranormal experiences and they want
to know why that happened or how that happened and
is that going to happen again? And I think that
fuels it for certain people as well.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
Let's say that tomorrow and night, there's a news conference
and the members of the scientific community are able to
prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that is the
person the group who are actually creating the paranormal event,
and that there is nothing paranormal about it.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
What do you think what happened to.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
The paranormal groups.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
I honestly don't think anything would change.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
I really don't think I think Groops would still go
out and do it, you know, I mean, I so
you're basically saying that it's related to the personalities and
the groups that's causing the phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
I'm just saying that this would be something that the
scientific community would come up with and say, listen, there's
no such thing as the paranormal.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Here's our proof.
Speaker 5 (54:13):
Boom.
Speaker 6 (54:15):
Oh. You know, it's just like trying to convince a skeptic.
I think, you know, I believe in it now. I've
been doing it long enough. I know the paranormal is real.
I know it's not what it's portrayed on television. At
this point in time, I don't think it would change
anything for me, because, I mean, science has been proven
(54:37):
wrong in the past.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
So what was it that turned you from a non
believer into the hardcore believer that you are today.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
It's the phenomenon of electronic voice phenomenon. And when I
went out, when I started doing this, I probably went
a solid six months wrote ever capturing an EVP, and
I was at the point where, like, I don't think
that the phenomenon is true. I think it's fake. I
(55:11):
think it's just not possible. How come, I haven't gotten anything.
And then it happened. I got my very first EVP.
It was a home case in Weymouth, mass We were
out in the woods backyard of this home where the
lady was like, I'm hearing kids laughing and giggling and
(55:33):
running through my house.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
I don't have kids. I caught my.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
Very first EVP of a child basically calling my name.
Speaker 5 (55:47):
Now that sold it for me, right there.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
Listen, Joe, it's a time where we must say so
long for tonight, but do me a favorite. Let our
listeners know how they can contact you and give the
give your website and your Facebook page out.
Speaker 6 (56:00):
Yeah, so if anybody wants to get a hold of us,
we're www dot paranorm Paranormalnew England dot com. All the
links to any of our social media is out there.
We do have a Facebook page, we do have a
YouTube channel, and I would say go to the website
page and get our links from there.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
Joe, thanks very much for joining us, and I look
forward to the next time you and I meet right
here back in the X Zone on Classic twelve twenty.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
Thank you for having me. Ron.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
You have a nice night, sir, you sir, all right, exponation.
Tell me, are you a skeptic or a believer? Send
me your emails X Zone at xxone right, No, no,
that's the old one. I'm sorry, scratch track erase. Send
me your email X Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
That's class X Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
(56:53):
I'll be back tomorrow night at eleven o'clock is once
again we cross the time space continuum to this place
that I call the X Zone. It's a place for
people dear to believe and dear to be heard.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
It's a place where.
Speaker 4 (57:07):
The fact is fiction, had fiction is reality. And tomorrow
night I'll take some cough medicine. How's that, Craig? All right,
to my senior producer, my good friend, Craig West. Thanks
Craig for all your hard work, and to each and
every one of you tonight, the listening audience of Classic
twelve twenty, have a great time, enjoy your life, share
with one another, take care of one another, and always remember,
(57:29):
keep your eyes to the sky and your heart to
the light.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
I'm Rob McConnell.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
This is the Xzone, and you're listening to us on
your hometown radio, Classic twelve twenty www dot Classic twelve
twenty dot ca
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