Rob McConnell Interviews - KEVIN RANDLE - Are Alien Abductions Fact or Fiction? - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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hour exhonation is Kevin Randall. He is well known worldwide
as an honest, hip shooting UFO researcher. He is also
an author and he has a new book coming out
in the very near future entitled Roswell in the twenty
first Century. His blogspoty is Kevin Randall dot blogspot dot

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com and joining me tonight to talk about, amongst other things,
the Travis Walton abduction case and Kevin, always great talking
to you, my friend.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I am happy to be back in Canada.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Listen, Kevin. Travis Walton case one of the most confusing
cases going. It has a number of pros, a number
of cons, a number of believers, a number of non believers,
UFO community against UFOX community, skeptic against skeptic. What is
your take?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I know that you've.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Written a blog on the Travis Walton case, but what
is your take on the entire case that goes back
to November fifth, nineteen seventy five, twenty years.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Ago, russ SD's Bill Cone and I did a book
called The Abductions Abduction Enigma, and for some reason, I
can't say that we had a much better title for
it that I could have said easily, and we explored
the whole abduction phenomenon at that time. And I've always
felt that this was my first attempt of commit euphological suicide,

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simply because there were a lot of people who were
out by the book because we were suggesting terrestrial explanations
for abductions and the whole bunch of them from vs.
Bois in nineteen fifty seven to Barney and Betty Hill,
through Travis Walton into the nonsense we have now where

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people being abducted multiple times and all of that, and
in the book we suggested that abductions all had a
terrestrial basis. There was some a variety of phenomenon that
were sort of responsible for the abductions. One of the
things we pointed out was a phenomenon known as sleep paralysis.

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You wake up or just as you're going to sleep,
you have this feeling of paralysis. You can't move, you
feel there's something on your chest, you feel there's an
entity in the room with you. I mean this classic
sleep paralysis, and I think that some or maybe many
abduction scenarios are based on this sleep paralysis. About fifty

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percent of the people experienced an episode of sleep paralysis
at least once in their lives. When you get to Walt,
they're outside, they're awake, they're moving across the country, they're
seeing something in the distance. Obviously sleep paralysis doesn't work
for them. I have talked to Travis Walton, I have
talked to Mike Rodgers. I've talked to one or two

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of the other members who were of the crew that night,
and what I said to Walton was that if alien
abduction was real, his experience is this sort of target
of opportunity would be more likely than what we get
into today with all the multiple abductions of one or

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two people. I do know that in the the first
light detector test that he took, he failed. Now, Travis
has said repeatedly that it was because he had a
reaction to the polygrapher. There was a problem between him
and the fellow who.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Yeah, apparently that was that McCarthy. I believe so, yes,
And you know, he did have a problem because I
don't think McCarthy, unlike cy Gilson, you know, didn't believe
Travis to start with. Listen, you and I have got

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to take a commercial break. We'll be right back. Explanation.
I guess this hour is Kevin Randall www dot Kevin
Randall dot blogspot dot com. He is a brand new
book coming out Roswell in the twenty first century, and
we'll talk about that and more on the other side
of this break. Don't go away.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
By Well, it just got back from Roswell where the
aliens have been. And if you ask the fans the cars, well.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
They'll only lie again.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Now I'm hunted by the gum shoes and I'm houted
by the cops because they think that I might be
the guy making circles in the cry. And I know
that there's a conspiracy from the voices in my head
Elvis lives. That's clear to me. It's McCartney who is dead.

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And if the mars Man should come again and take me,
I will go. I will take a trip on their
rocket ship. God blessed the UFOL give JFK this message.

(07:33):
It's the Cuban Army's fault. And I know that Dave
Koresh is alive inside the fault. We've seen red boxing
papers of the guy who knows about on a car
that runs on chewing gum. But the Arabs rubbed him out,

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and we loudly one that America is badly hung red bad.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
With the Cold War.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
When it's up the new that again, you got it
scare you wonder just who who is wanting you of
conspiracies today?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
We're the ones who filled the room. We are the see.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
All right, I'd like to thank the x Zona multiple
Singings choir for that last rendition. God bless UFO. We're
talking about the Travis Walton abduction case. Fact, fiction or psychosis. Now,
a few abduction reports have generated so much controversy as
an incident that began on Wednesday, November fifth, nineteen seventy five,
in a remote area of east central Arizona. More than

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four decades later, exzonation disputes still rage, but to all
but a very few combatants. The stakes seem high if
Travis Walton and the other participants are telling the truth,
So it is assumed UFOs exist. UFO abductions are physical,
not imaginary events. Joining me to help put some sense

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into this abduction case is a good friend of ours
here at the x Oona and well known and highly
respected upologist Kevin Randall. His blog spot is www dot
Kevin Randall blogspot dot com and he has a new
book that is coming out very shortly entitled Roswell in
the twenty first Century. Now you know what kind of

(09:29):
makes me wonder about the the Travis Walton case is
that when he comes back five days later, there is
no proof within within his chemical the chemical balance within
his body that he actually went without food for five

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days number one, number two. Instead of getting him to
a medical facility or to law enforcement that had been
looking for him for five days, his brother Dwyane decides
to take him home to his mother's house, where he
has a bath, changes clothes, and tries to eat foot

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But apparently that didn't work very well because he brought
up everything. When he is dropped off by the UFO
in Hebrew, Arizona at the gas station, he calls his
brother in law Nef instead of his older brother Dwayne,
who has been doing all this work looking for him,
and even Dwayne and Travis had an interest in UFOs. Dwayne,

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as well as the mother have claimed multiple sightings. So
what does this do to the credibility of the entire story?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
All of that hurts it. But the thing that we
have to remember is just because someone had an interest
in UFOs doesn't mean that they've created their own UFO
s true true, because a lot of people who have
an interest in UFOs go outside and actually look. Right
you're out looking, you're more likely to see something than
if you're not. So that kind of goes without saying.

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The chemical imbalances in his body is very worrisome, and
it's something that needs to be addressed, and I've seen
that talked about in a number of different arenas, that
the key tones or something word right for someone who
had been without food, which you could say, well, maybe
they fed him some kind of gruel while he was

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on the ship and he just didn't remember it, you know,
And the reactions of people after they've been in a
great deal of stress sometimes don't make sense to us.
So I'm not that concerned about him calling the wrong
person or what he did when he when he got home.
But the things that do worry me about this is
of course the first failed polyograph, and I think we

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need to point out that the polygrapher who took an
adverse reaction to Travis Walton didn't didn't act in a
very professional manner. He has taken two other polygraphs which
he passed.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
But those two polygraphs that he passed were with cy Gilson.
Instead of changing polygraph examiners, they went with the polygraph
examiner that passed him. Now you see, if that would
have been me, I would have asked for a different
polygraph examiner each and every time.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yes, yes, But also the other thing I have to remember,
if you're paying for the polygraph test, uh, and the
polygrapher knows the outcome that you're looking for, it may
be that he would be reluctant to fail you because
it might inhibit his payment in some fashion. But you

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know that that's where that's worrisome. But on the other
side of the coin, you have all the other guys
who were with him on this adventure, right, who took
polygraph tests, and they all seem to have passed them. Right.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
But the questions, Kevin, weren't that you know that that
I can recall, weren't that specifics? And and something else
that that bothered me when I really started digging into
the case was the fact that you know, he claims
to have been shot back by this beam so many
feet and yet when examined, there were no bruises. The

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only the only thing that he had on his body
was in the inner side of an elbow what looked
like to be an injection.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yes, And and that's a problem with this, and we
have we have all of these different problems. It doesn't
make sense to us in one arena. And you're looking
at the guys who were with him. The other thing
I was going to say about that not only had
they passed the potograph has, but in all these years
none of them have actually broken ranks with them. They've

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all sort of stuck together. That this is what happened.
I know Philip Klass when he was doing it, he
interviewed a fellow and a named Steve and his last
name escaped. Mean, I've actually talked to the guy about this,
and that Class kind of pressured him into sort of
refuting the story and also suggesting he would get ten

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thousand dollars if he came out against the Travis Walton
case or suggested some kind of a payday. So you've
got Philip Class injecting himself in there. And the problem
with phil Class is that he knows there's no alien
of alien visitation, ergo, anything that suggests otherwise must be
a hoax or a lie. So he brings his bias
to the table as well.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
But what about the fact that Travis Walton had a
criminal record for burglary as well as forging stolen documents paychecks.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
I think that I find that irrelevant. Why when you're
looking when you're looking at this, they were done when
he was a youngster. But it goes and a lot
of juveniles do a lot of stupid things. And I'm
not sure that his criminal record prior to the event
is relevant because there's no criminal record after the event.

(15:06):
It doesn't patternal behavior that transpires this whole time frame.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Well, according to the online criminal checks there, you know,
he has a number of events that followed this event.
It's not as if that once he had this this
court case where he and his younger brother were found guilty,
they had to pay restitution, they were put on two
years probation, that that was the end of Travis Walton's

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criminal career, you know. But another part that I find
very funny is the is the state of the contract
that Mike Rogers entered into with the US Forestry Service,
it was delinquent. They were behind, he was going to
be in default.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
And according according to what I've seen on that, it's
that that really is irrelevant because all they had to
do was call and ask for an extension and it
would have been granted. They'd done it four that had
had problems with the contract and not meeting the deadlines
and had quested extensions on the contract and that's been granted.
So I'm not sure that relevant point. Or when you
when you move into the criminal records, that's a little

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bit more of a relevant point. And when you when
you look at the body chemistry of Travis Walten after
the events, that's another point but was very important.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
But we only it has been discovered that Travis Walton
did have a drug habit.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
That is something that I had not heard. Now. I've
met Walton on a couple of couple of occasions and
and he's always seemed to be an It doesn't seem
to suggest any sort of drug problem with him. He's
always seemed to be very He's always dressed very nice
because he seems to be very, very personable.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
You know, like what I'm what I'm saying here is
that as a as a you know, in the era
where of the alleged abduction, he you know, he had
a substance abuse problem like this is this was well
known and the fact that the chemical build up in
his body, the inconsistency with the story, the inconsistency that

(17:19):
when the police went to the uh to the the
three phone booths outside of the gas station in Hebrew, Arizona,
they found no fingerprints of Walton's on the phone. You know,
is it is it possible that Walton for some reason
perpetrated this hoax?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh? Absolutely is possible. You know, this is one of
those cases that that it doesn't seem that there is
a psychological manifestation that would account for this. You've got
other witnesses, but six other people with him, suggesting that
there was this object in the sky and there of
life and all of that. So you've got one of

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two conclusions you can draw it. It's either an alien
abduction or it's a hoax. It really doesn't seem to
be much middle ground there.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
In fact, wasn't there a psychiatrist by the name of
Rosenbaum who said that in his opinion, one of three
psychiatrists who said that based on his professional opinion, that
Travis Walton believed that this happened, but in reality it
did not happen. That it was a psychosis.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Absolutely, and you can go to almost any one of
these events because we're talking about alien visitation and it's
something that we cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubts.
You have a belief of alien abduction, and you have
some interesting evidence suggesting there's alien visitation, but we cannot
prove that they've actually been here. And so that when

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you get into some of these arenas in some of
the professionals, they know there's no such thing as is
alien visitation. Ergo anything that suggests it must be some
kind and it's a coosies delusion or hope there's something
else operating here. They cannot process the idea that there's
possibility of alien visitation.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Well, there may not be alien visitation, but there is
a commercial break coming up with the news. Please stand
by explanation. Kevin Randall is our guest this hour, and
we'll both be back on the other side of this break.
Don't go away that music. Welcome back every one. This

(19:47):
is the excellent I am Rob McConnell. I guess this
hour is Kevin Randall. We're discussing the Travis Walton case
of November fifth, nineteen seventy five. After five days some where,
Travis Walton reappeared at a gas station outside of Hebrew, Arizona.
He called up his brother in law and the story

(20:12):
from there goes into one of intrigue questions, polygraph law
enforcement and a lot of questions over the years. Something
that that has always struck me, Kevin, was that the Snowflake,
Tom Marshall Sanford Flake was telling the press of his
certainty that the whole story was a hoax stage by

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Travison's brothers Dwayne to make some money. And later on
it was discovered that Travis Walton and his crew received
money from the National Inquirer. So it doesn't look very
good for them, does it.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
I'm not sure that that makes much difference. And here's
why the National acquired offered a reward for the best
UFO report year for a number of years. Captain Coyne,
who had the helicopter experience in Ohio, also won the
prize the five thousand dollars, So there's no way that

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they could guarantee they were going to win the prize
for the best UFO case of the year by staging this.
So I'm not sure that's a really prime motive. It's
an interesting idea and might have played into it, but
I just don't see that as the motivating factor when

(21:34):
I look at these sorts of things. And the one
thing that we discovered when I say we, I mean Bill,
Bill Cone, Russ Esties and I when we're doing the
book on alien abductions, was that the draw of the
spotlight is a very powerful influence on people that they
get their fifteen minutes of fame, they get to be
on TV. Now, Travis Walton is parlay this adventure into

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sort of a lifetime way of making money. And I
met him one time in Germany. We were there to
speak to a UFO convention. I was talking about Roswell.
He of course talking about his experience. I know that
he goes to Roswell every about every year for their
festival down there, and I know he gets speaking engagements

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literally all over the world. So it has become a
real boon for him and a number of his friends
because they also get invited to do. I mean, they
were there, they can talk about what their experiences were.
Even though they weren't abducted, they were part of the
whole story. So looking beyond the monetary aspect of it,
which is what I'm trying to do here, is I

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would think that the motivation might be more that of
drawing the spotlight to them and having an opportunity to
appear on television. Especially when you look back into the
time frame, you had an awful lot of people who'd
had similar type experiences or having really good UFO sidings
appearing on television, both locally, locally, regionally, and nationally. So

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it's an opportunity to see yourself on television.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well, of course, and then they had Fire in the Sky,
the movie that they made money from. They were on,
like you said, many television shows and including CNN's Larry
King where they debated Philip Class and Philip just lost
it and called Travis a goddamn liar right on air.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, Philip wasn't would tend tend to go off on
tangents like that. He was on a radio show with
Don Ecker and Ecker was talking about they were talking
about the nineteen fifty two Washington National Sightings, and Ecker
had said something about there had been attempted intercepts the

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Air Force trying to intercept the UFOs, and Class at
that point just lost it and started screaming inscenity and
then hung up on him. Well, the record clearly shows
that the Air Force did attempt to intercept the object. Say,
you can debate what the objects were, they were attempted intercepttions, right,
and that's documented. So Philip Class did that. Uh, Philip

(24:07):
Class unfortunately made stuff up. And we've I found a
number of cases where he invented explanations or invented evidence
to to kind of explain them. And I say that
having known Philip Class really really well. I mean he
took me sailing once on the Potomac River in a
sailboat and and things like that, so I you know,
I know him, I knew him well, and uh, you know,

(24:31):
I I say, with all honesty, he would make he
would make up stuff to prove his point. So him
calling Walton a liar on Larry King is just really
not great evidence.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
All right, But what about when a psychiatrist, one of
three psychiatrists that were brought in to examine. Let me see,
Travis Walton said by, but my evaluation of the boy's
story is that although he believes this is what happened,
it was all in his own mind. I feel he
suffered from a combination of imagination and amnesia and transitory psychosis.

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That he did go on a UFO but simply was one.
I'm sorry that he did not go on a UFO
but was simply wandering around during this period of his disappearance.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
And if I wanted to, I could probably find a
psychiatrist who would say something evident.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
But these were three psychiatrists who have concurred on the
same statement and the same prognosis.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
But then we get and that this is the thing.
The other thing that Philip Class was always saying, you know,
we'll get these guys on a polygraph and see what
they have to say. My point had always been, if
you put them on a polygraph and they sincerely believed,
sure the story they were telling, they were going to
pass the polygraph didn't mean it happened, right, really means
they believed it happened, which is a whole different kettle

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of shirts.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
And the questions that they were given from the polygraph
examiner sy Gilson, who worked for the Arizona Department of
Public Safety, were Number one, do you did you cause
Travis Walton any serious physical harm last Wednesday afternoon? Now
they just had to answer yes or no. Do you
know if Travis Walton was physically injured by some other

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member of your work crew last Wednesday? Number three was
do you know if Travis Walton's body is buried or
hidden somewhere in Turkey Springs area? And number four did
you tell the truth about actually seeing a UFO last
Wednesday when Travis Walton disappeared? They were the questions all
the members of the crew were asked.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
And because at that time they thought that they had
murdered Walton right hid in the body. Yeah, but obviously
they hadn't done that.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Another question that that raises the red flag with me
was that as soon, you know, as soon as the
UFO was there, Travis Walton runs out of the vehicle,
goes beneath the UFO. Apparently he's zapped by this beam.
What does Mike Rogers do? He gets you know, he
just turns around on high tails it out of there,
instead of staying around it to be with his friend.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Once again. I mean, you're having to figure out the
mentality of the people who are involved in this and
what the situation, the high stress situation they're supposedly in,
would do to them, you know. And as a combat rhetoran,
I know that people sometimes react without thinking about it,

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and uh and not in the bravest sense possible. So
you know, if I was well, I would be mad
at my friend, but getting the hell out of there,
not trying to to save me. But you know how
many people run into the burning building as opposed to
run from it. So you know, you can look at
all of these things and we're trying to figure out

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what is the mental state of these guys in that
specific situation at that specific time. Is this the reaction
of normal people? And one of them is yeah, it
is the normal reaction of people to flee from danger.
There's other people who run toward the danger to see
what they can do to help. So it doesn't say
much about Mike Rogers.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
It doesn't.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
It doesn't done Apparently Mike Rogers was Travis Walton's best
friend and eventually Travis Walton married Mike rogers sisters Dana.
But something else here. Everyone believes that every one of
the crew passed the polygraph test, and that is not true.
Dallas was inconclusive, and but that's not failing there, it's

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not passing.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Oh it's not. Well, you're putting me in a bizarre
position here because.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Oh no, I'm just discussing this.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
I'm just discussing you know, I don't want to defend
the case completely and totally. You kind of have great
reservations about it. And what I've said in the past
is if alien abduction is taking place, I would expect
it to be more like the Walton case and then
these other things going on. But if you go back
and you look at the abduction enigma and the book
that I wrote with EST's and Cone, we concluded that

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basically the alien abduction phenomena is terrestrially based, meaning the
causes are on Earth. So we can say, you know,
as a psychiatrist, did that that Walton truly believes this
abduction took place, And then we have to determine was
there actually an abduction? He cerrely believes it, but did

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it happen in our shared reality?

Speaker 6 (29:33):
All right, let's put Travis Walton aside and his case aside.
And let's look at another famous abduction, Betty and Barney Hill.
What is your take on that case?

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Well, I know Catherine Martin very well. Yes, and we've
talked many times, and she asked me once flat outs,
did I believe that Barney and Betty Hill were abducted?
And I told her no. I think that if you
going to look at a prominent case that has broken
down under research, this is going to be the one.

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There's an awful lot of things going on in their
lives that brought a lot of stress and pressure to them.
And Betty Hill actually wrote to Nightcap after supposed UFO
sighting they had before the abduction scenario developed, saying that
she would like to undergo hypnosis to find out what happened.
It also looks like that Barney Hill's memories were nearly

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as robust as Betty Hill's, and that he usually sat
in the sessions when the UFO investigators psychiatrist sessions, But
when the UFO investigators we're discussing this case, he was
sitting there. He never seemed to come up with a
bit of information on his own. It always seemed derived

(30:53):
from something that Betty Hill had said. I think what happened.
There is they saw something, and it may be as
the skeptics have suggested, that one of the planets, I
think Jupiter was very bright at the time, and as
they travel along, it became more and more convinced that
there was a flying saucer following them, and they would

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stop and look and stop and look, so that they
delayed their trip much longer than they thought they did,
and when they got home they were but two or
three hours later than they thought they were supposed to be.
And then Betty Hill allegedly had these dreams where she
had the dreams of being abducted and that sort of thing.
And I think this is kind of a shared illusion

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based on her dreams of what she perceived happened and
her discussions up with UFO investigators in Barney Hill, and
because he was a participant in part of it, meaning
the pacing of their car by Delight, that they came
to believe that they had been abducted by alien creatures.
But I don't think. I don't think they did. I

(31:58):
think the explanation is shared delusion. But there's something else.
There's a Twilight episode, Twilight Zone episode called hocus Pocus
and Frisbee.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Didn't they watch that? Prior to the Betty still said.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
They didn't watch those kind of shows. But in the
book he interrupted journey after Barney Hill allegedly looks at
the flying Saucer with binoculars and see the creatures behind him.
She says to him, if you've been watching Twilight Zone,
which I think is a very key thing. But the
creatures in hocus Pocus and Frisbee look a lot more
like what Barney Hill drew than the creatures in the
Bolero Shields in Outer Limits episode. The other thing is

(32:37):
Betty Hill, in that book she's describing the aliens, talks
about these big Jimmy Duranty typeoses, these big, huge noses
on the alien creatures, and those noses have since disappeared
in the descriptions. So there's a lot of problems with
the Barty and bett Hill case that suggests that it
did not happen in reality.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
One of the questions I had was that dress she
was wearing. Why did she get rid of it? Number one,
number two or apparently there were marks on the car.
Why weren't there any photos taken?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think we're looking back in nineteen sixty three when
all of started coming out in investigations and people just
were lousy investigations. The things that would think to do today,
they just didn't think to do back then. You know,
these would be wonderful, wonderful bits of evidence if you
could look at them. I also am reminded of an

(33:31):
incident's place in Washington. An article had come out about
atomic testing maybe pitting windshields of cars back in the
early nineteen fifties, and suddenly there was this big wave
of windshield pitting in Washington State where they were talking
about the radioactive fallout or the atomic testing causing the

(33:53):
windshield pitting. And what it turned out to be is
most people don't look at the shield, they look through it.
And when the story came out, they're looking at the
windshield and found the pitting and assumed that it had
to do with atomic tept thing. So I think that's
part of the problem we've run in here, run into here.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
Another part that I questioned was apparently Barney had a
twenty two caliber revolver in his car at the time
of the sighting, and apparently he was coming back from Canada.
Now there's no mention of now as far as I know,
and even going back then, you could not bring a

(34:30):
firearm into Canada. So whether or not this plays into
the credibility of.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
The story or not, it is.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Just another offshoot. But there's something in that story that
just doesn't ring true.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Well, let me ask you a question. Back in nineteen
sixty when this took place, wasn't the border much more open?
You know? I mean I remember as a kid crossing
into Canada a couple of times and they just sort
of yeah, okay, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
That's because you always carried a beaver under your under
your arm.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Well, but the last time I came to Canada, they
stopped me going going into Canada. They searched my car,
me and and they dragged me into the little office
and the guy's on his computer and he says, do
you fly helicopters in Vietnam? I said yes, I did.
I thought, oh, you just googled me so. And then
to make it worse, going going home, I get stopped

(35:27):
by American customs and they do the same thing. Kid,
I couldn't win.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Well, you see, you should have kept your little beaver
with you. That's as simple as that.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Back in they took my oranges away from me too,
that I had gotten in Canada.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
So, oh, yeah, they do that.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
They do that.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
We do the same to the Americans coming over with oranges.
Apparently it has something to do with the citrus, citric
acid or the fruit. I don't know, oranges that we buy.
We get an oranges from Florida here in Canada.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
What the hell you figure that? There you go their ship.
But boy, if you've got one in your car, you're
in big trouble. Yeah, I think you know, in the
nineteen sixties things were a.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Lot easy, much easier.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yes, you're right, and and so I know that when
I went to Canada, I did not take any weapon
with me.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
But that after nine to eleven, so yeah, well, yeah,
a little a few things have changed over the years,
my friend. Yes, Kevin, you and I have to take
our final break. Please stand by by the way, congratulations
on your new book. Everyone that I know is just
biting at a bit to get a copy to read it.
It's going to be a fantastic all all right, please
stand by Kevin X ownation. Kevin Randall is our very

(36:37):
special guest this hour. It's always great having Kevin on
the show. His blog spot is Kevin Randall dot blogspot
dot com and the name of his new book that
is coming up. When is it going to be released, Kevin,
July eighth.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
July sixteenth is the date they've given me. I don't
know if that's going to be the exact date, but
that's the date I've been given and they haven't updated
it since then.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
All right, so July sixteenth, X Ownation Market on your calendar.
Make sure that you check all the online stores. The
name of the book is Roswell in the twenty first Century,
by our brand and our guest this hour, Kevin Randall.
This is the X ON and I am Rob McConnell.
We'll be back on the other side of this break
as we wrap up this hour, talking about alien abductions

(37:17):
and much more. Don't go away, y

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