December 12, 2025 • 43 mins
In this provocative and timely edition of Rob McConnell Interviews, Rob welcomes Lea Tesoro, an acclaimed commentator on emerging technologies and intimate human behavior, to explore one of today’s most controversial questions: Is virtual reality sex considered cheating? With VR rapidly evolving into hyper-realistic immersive experiences that blur the lines between fantasy and physical interaction, Lea examines the psychological, emotional, relational, and ethical implications of digital intimacy. Together, they unpack whether VR encounters constitute infidelity, how couples are redefining boundaries in an increasingly virtual world, and what the future may hold for human connection in the age of immersive technology. Thought-provoking, insightful, and at times unsettling, this conversation challenges listeners to rethink what "cheating" truly means in a digital age.
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and we're going to be talking about virtual reality. But
not just virtual reality. We're going to be talking about
virtual sex. Is it cheating?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Well?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
As we all know, the Internet is changing how we
look at relationships and divorce lawyers say that Facebook is
today's primary source of evidence for divorce proceedings. But what
about the folks who live in an alternative life, I mean
in virtual reality. If the sex is virtual, is it
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really cheating?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Joining me this hour is Leah Tesoro, who worked in
the software industry for nearly fifteen years prior to getting
her MBA. In August two thousand and six, she stumbled
into second life and has since immersed herself in virtual
reality as a techie, an artist, an entrepreneur, a friend,
and a lover. Her book Love Like Dimsum Real World
(02:45):
Lessons Learned From Relearned and Relearned in a Virtual World
is her first book. And joining me now is Lee
and Leah. Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Hi, Ral, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Virtual sex in virtual reality? Is this? Explain it to me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Virtual sex, if you would imagine it is, actually you
have your avatar and your lover's avatar, and they're performing
these actions inside the virtual world, and at the same time,
you are talking to each other, either by text or
by voice. So it's a simulated physical act, but the
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emotions are still very real.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So you say ooh, ooh, ooh ah a voice or text.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's the simplest kind of a virtual sex, yes, but
the more sophisticated lovers actually do much more than that.
They do more like what role players do, where they
describe what they're doing or what they're feeling, or how
they're reacting to what their lovers they are doing.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
How dangerous is virtual sex in the real life? Like
is it hard for a person to separate their virtual
life from their real life? And where do they spend
most of their time in their virtual life or in
their real life?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It depends on the person. Some people spend more time
in virtual reality. They spend most of their free time
in virtual reality. Some people just swing by. They come
in once a week, over the weekend or something, and
then they just disappear again and then come back again
later whenever they feel like it.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
This is going to be an interesting hour exonation. Please
stand by Leah. You and I have to take your
commercial break. Nice talking to you, and I'm looking forward
to getting some answers to some questions that I've had
for a long time. Virtual reality sex exzonation. In your opinion?
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Speaker 4 (08:29):
Welcome back everyone. We're talking about virtual reality this hour
here in the ex Now. The question is virtual reality sex?
Is it cheating? And our guest is Leah Tesoro and
she's the author of Love Like Dimsum Real World Lessons
Learned and Relearned in a Virtual World is her first book,
and if you'd like more information, we have her website
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here at www. Dot lovelikedipsum dot com. That's Love Like
dp s u M dot com. All right, let's let's
take a few steps back here so we can all
better understand the world of virtual reality. How did you
get involved.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
In virtual in Second Life? Human or is.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Vital in virtual reality? Like you know.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You're Actually I discovered it when I was doing some
research about business in score dot org, which is a
website for small business owners, and I saw these little
piecers at the bottom that as well whatever this and that,
and so I was curious what it was. I googled
it and I found Second Life. And because I was
(09:39):
very interested in virtual reality in the beginning, like the
scenes online, which I've heard about long before that, I
figured I'd give it a trice. So I went in
and I tried it, and I've been hooked since.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
What is it about virtual reality that hooks people?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's the immersiveness of it when we're chatting, for example,
in Facebook or in Twitter or in any I am like, yeah,
who it's the only see in words, So we're kind
of disconnected from the people that we're chatting with. But
in a virtual reality world, you see a representation of
(10:19):
that person as a human or whatever, as a character perhaps,
And somehow when we project ourselves into our avatars and
they project themselves into their avatars, we feel as though
they are right next to us. And so you have
people who are from different parts of the world, perhaps
even on the other side of the world, you feel
(10:40):
as though you're right next to each other, like they're
your next door neighbors and you're just chatting over the fence.
It's a very unique perspective. It's a very unique phenomenon
that seems to only happen inside a virtual world.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So am I to understand that when a person takes
an avatar, they're actually taking a a representation of who
they would really like to be. But because they can't
be this person in real life, they live a false
life or a life they'd like to live behind the
face of an avatar in virtual reality.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Not necessarily. What's surprising is that most of the avatars
are still human based, and most of the time, they
look like their real life selves. So somebody with dark
hair would still have a dark haired avatar inside. Like
a life, some people choose to be something else, like
I choose to have red hair, for example, or somebody
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else may choose to be a large cat or an
elf or whatever else they can think of our dragon,
So it depends on the person as well. But still
most of the time, most of what I've seen is
that people tend to still look like themselves.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
How does the virtual life differ from the real life
and is there any time where you, as the person
who has an avatar in second life, look at your
second life persona as being the real world and the
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real world as being a false world or a different world.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Most No, not really, because you still are very clear
about what's real and what's inside the virtual world. I'm not,
of course, saying that what's inside the virtual world is
not real, because there are aspects of it that are real.
Your interactions with people, how you how you how they
how you relate to them, the relationships that you have
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with them, the emotions that you feel are still real.
So even though you're projecting a persona that looks different
from what your real life, is you still behave like
who you are, because it's very difficult to pretend to
be someone for a very long time someone else, I've
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unless you're an actor, of course, and you're used to
it and you don't do it for a long time.
But for most people, the real self, the real self
of the real personality, their intelligence, they're whatever makes them happy,
what makes them sad, what they like, what they don't like.
It stills into the virtual world. So it's still there's
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still it's a mix of reality and fiction, if you
if you would say, or or pretense. It's like being
in a costume ball for example, you're dressed as someone else,
but you're still yourself.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Is there any danger of psychological damage from anything that
happens in the virtual world? In virtual reality, for example,
you meet somebody online in your virtual world under the
guise of an avatar, you fall in love. Now this
love just isn't it just isn't part of your virtual
(14:03):
real world. It also carries over into your real world,
and you know what, Let's say this person breaks off
with you, or there's a tragic accident and this person
is no longer involved in your virtual world. How do
you separate one from the other, one of make believe
and one of reality.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You cannot because your emotions are are still real and
the experience is still real. You will feel the thing,
You will feel the heartbreak, you will feel the grief
when somebody dies, and there are people who have been
in second life and they have passed away in real life,
(14:45):
and people grieve for them, people miss them. It's just
like if you think about it as just another way
of interacting with somebody, like email or the phone or
the web, You're still interacting with the real people. The
only difference is that the method of interaction, the media
of interaction is different. So the relationships that you create
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inside the virtual world will affect you in real life.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I I'm just wondering why a person would enter a
world of virtual reality instead of trying to to maintain
and to go forward in the real world.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
What's they're not mutually exclusive?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
For example, you have a life in at work and
you have that that relationships with people, you have the
things that you do in your in your work. At
the same time, you would also have a life out
with your friends, for like your golfing buddies, right these
are These are separate, but they're not entirely exclusively mutually exclusive.
(15:59):
So it's the same that the virtual world. If you
think of a virtual world as just another place that
you go to to meet friends, then it makes better
sense it because you're able to more integrate it into
your real life, your regular life.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
But why, you know, I'm having a bit of a
problem understanding why someone would want to go into a
virtual world unless they have problems in the real world.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Ah, but it opens up opportunities. See, in real life,
you don't travel very often. You travel maybe once a
year for a week ago somewhere else when you meet
people over there and then you come back and you're
back to your regular life. In a virtual world, it
expands your possibilities of meeting so many people from all
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over the world, from different countries, from different cultures, and
that expands your world. When I meet people hurt from
a different country, for example, and I get to know
them and I learn about their culture, it feels more
real to me. Their country now isn't just a dot
on the map. It's a place that I feel connected
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to because I know somebody intimately from that country. Now,
if you think about it would you support a war
against that country when you know somebody personally there. So
it has implications in our society as well, because we
get to know people who are not like us more
(17:34):
intimately and we get to accept it more. So it
increases our tolerance for diversityes just at the same time.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
But is virtual reality for everyone or is there a
certain mindset that virtual reality has been created for.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It hasn't been created specifically for any specific person, but
as with any technology, there are certain people who are
more familiar with it or who are more comfortable with
that type of technology. At this point, virtual reality is
a little more difficult to learn than the web because
it's a more complex application or software. So in that sense,
(18:21):
right now, at this point, it's not quite easy for
mainstream people yet. But people who are ordinary people, who
are not even techies, they're able to come in and
they are able to live inside a virtual world just
as easily as the rest of us. For example, I
know musicians who would perform inside second life and they
(18:44):
just know just enough to be able to put together
a show and that's it, and interact with other people
and that's it. So after you get to know the
basics of the software. They can pretty much live in
virtual work comfortably like anybody else.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
All Right, so I think I'm getting the gist of it,
but I'm gonna have to take a commercial break here
with the news and welcome back and talk more about
this fascinating world. It seems like it's almost part of
a dream world, if I can relate it to that.
But it's a dream that has multiple people in it
(19:27):
at the same time, reacting in real time. How's that?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yes, that's such a good metaphor.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Youah, okay, please stand by Leah. Thank you very much
for joining us. It's great talking to you. Exzonation. Leah
Tesorro is our special guest. We're talking about virtual reality
and the question is virtual reality sex? Is it cheating?
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back everyone. There's an oldie, but a goodie that goes
way back to my youth, to good old French Canadians,
so singing chitem no pleaux. That's a Jane Berkin and
Set Gainsberg that used to be a pretty hot song.
And I imagine that there's pretty hot songs that people
(21:50):
use when they're in their virtual life. And I have
to tell you, Yeah, well, I have to ask you this,
And what's it like having virtual set. I've never talked
to anybody who's had virtual sex before.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It can be intense, It depends what I've suddenly said.
When people use a voice as opposed to text, it's
less distracting, and you can get a nuances from a
person's voice. It can be very very arousing when you
hear somebody's breathing. I mean, this is like sound sex.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
At the same time, let me ask you, let me
ask you something here at this point, Mom and dad,
if you have any children listening to the show, cover
the ears for a second. How do you gratify yourself?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Okay, that answered that I see. And have you ever
had the opportunity of meeting any of the people that
you've had virtual sex with in real life?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Actually yeah, not very many, but but just a couple.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
And this brings me to my next question. Was it
better in virtual reality or was it better in real life?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Of course, it's better in real life because you don't
have the type, so your answer free.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
But well, sometimes your hands are free.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
But you and and you feel more. You actually feel
the other person touching you in real life, but in
virtual reality it requires a lot of imagination to actually
get this to get the same effect. So it's not
really the same as in real life. But when you're
that far away and you want to express your emotions
for each other, for example, then it's it's a it's
(23:45):
a compromise. It's it's a good way to do it
without spending you know, thousands of dollars traveling back and forth.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Uh, how does virtual reality help people? You know, I
understand that it Actually some people believe it's a healthy relief.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Actually, yes, because you the emotional rewards are still there
and you have a broader base for your support system.
For example, if your primary relationship in real life isn't
isn't providing everything that you needed emotionally, intellectually or socially,
(24:41):
you can go instead of ruining that relationship, you can
go into a virtual world and get it. To get
the reward, the emotional needs met inside a virtual world,
But you have to be careful to preserve the.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
One you have in yeah, Like, how do you play
it safe that the virtual reality doesn't ruin your real life?
Like there has to be there has to be cases
where virtual reality has you know, consumed the player and
they actually ignore their real relationships, their wives, their kids,
(25:20):
and they live for their their virtual world. How do
you stop that from happening?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
The first thing, well, the first thing if you're the
one who has a relationship in real life, the first
thing that you do is should define your boundaries with
whoever you're within virtual reality. You tell them, Okay, I
am married, or I have this relationship that is committed.
I don't want this relationship, this virtual relationship, to come
(25:51):
out into real life. And most people are finding that
because they're doing the same thing. So you limit your
interactions inside the virtual world and only when you're logged in.
Some people would extend it out to email, for example,
or to quick text messages. But the focus is the
(26:12):
ideal is that you say, here's my boundaries. Here are
my boundaries. It doesn't come out and you don't visit
each other. You don't see each other. You just specify
a specific time when you're going to be with your
virtual lover. You can specify a specific time when you're
going to be with your primary relationship in real life.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I do people ever get married in virtual reality?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yes, we have virtual weddings. It's a big business inside
virtual reality, and it satisfies a need for some women
who need this big wedding thing, but they can't afford
it because it's cheaper.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Wait a second, Hold on here, Hold on here. There's
got to be something I'm missing here. Like if there's
a woman who, let's say, is married, and she goes
into virtual reality to get the things that she can't
get in real life, doesn't that raise a flag for
(27:12):
a psychological problem.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'm a psychologist, so I can't really answer that question.
But if they encourage you to get what you need elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
But it's not real, it's not real. It's a world
of imagination.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
The place is not real, the avatar is not real,
but the interactions are, the conversations are real, the emotions
are real, the friendships are real.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I don't know. I don't know. So virtual reality is
replacing the Playboy book for young.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Kids who knows well, there's a limit. Though there's an
age limit. There are areas of the virtual world where
they say segment out the adult content from the general content,
the teaching content. So even though they allow people who
(28:11):
are age sixteen or older there, we don't allow anybody
younger than sixteen. Is that well, not officially, although you
can't really verify it. Just like the Internet, they segment
out the content that some people might find offensive or
younger people are not supposed to be looking at.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Sorry, I was just going to ask you if if
there are those people who, let's say, are at work
and instead of working, are actually on the computer in
their virtual world, and you know, doesn't this kind of
pose a problem because that people are supposed to be working,
they're in virtual reality? And do you have to buy anything?
Does it cost you anything to be in this virtual world?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Your first question is if it's the same with the
Internet or the web anyway, they could be doing something
else on the internet or the web, or watching a
movie on YouTube or something or whatever. It's the same distraction.
So so however you deal with those other distractions, is
how you deal with it with people who are at work,
(29:20):
And most most workplaces anyway, they actually put a firewall
so that people cannot get into certain websites or into
certain sites, and virtual reality has. It requires a lot
of bandwidth. It requires a bigger network than most, so
it will slow down the entire company's network if you
(29:43):
actually do it. There Now, your second question is whether
it's free. Yes, it is. You can come in on
the basic account in Second Life for free. They give
you a list of a series a set I'm sorry
as set of avatars that you can choose from. These
are default avatars, and if you don't like what they
(30:03):
look like, you can modify them. And there's also this
big activity. There's this big thing inside the virtual world
that you can go and hunt for freebies from designers
where they would give away some freebies just to invite
people into their stores to take a look at their stores.
And there are events that we call hunts where you
(30:26):
go from one store to the other and you look
for that freebie inside the store. So there's there's lots
of ways to get free stuff inside the virtual world.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
But I also understand it can cost a lot of
money in some instances.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
In some if you buy land, land is virtual land
is the most expensive expense. There was expensive thing inside
the virtual world.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I gotta ask you, why would anybody waste good money
on imaginary land.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Because it gives you space where you can build your
dream home.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
You can do that on a piece of paper. You
don't need to spend money on on you know what.
I'm finding this very hard to understand why people do this.
You know, if it's if it's a fun and a game,
I can understand it. You know, like there are plenty
of games out there that kids get into. What was
the Dungeon and Dragons? I think what's one of the
(31:24):
first ones, But I understand there, Like you just had
people buy land. They how much does land go for
in the virtual world.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It depends. The smallest piece of land is about five
hundred and twelve square meters and you can get that
if you pay the monthly fee, the monthly premium fee,
which is about between six to nine dollars, depending on
whether you pay monthly or you pay annually. And if
(31:56):
you want more then you can buy additional land, and
additional land would also require you to pay a bit
more every month, so it's like a property tax if
you think about it that way, and that can be expensive.
Some people actually buy a whole what we call a
sim which is or a region, which is actually just
(32:17):
a server, and you get two fifty six by two
fifty six square meters in that land, and you can
have privacy so that there's nobody else around you, and
nobody else can come in if you don't want to,
and you can put different things in there. You can
plant trees where you want them, you can install buildings
where you want them. You can even change the land formation.
(32:39):
You can have a mountain if you want, you can
have a very deep ocean if you want. So, you
can configure it any way that you want. And many
people actually do buy those regions just because of the
privacy or the flexibility of what they can do in it.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Okay, so you buy your land, you're let's see, even
at seventy bucks a month, you know you're over You're
nearly eight hundred dollars a year to buy to actually
play in a dream world. Why would you want to
buy land that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Why would you want to buy any luxury item? For example?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Well, I buy luxury items that I can hold, and
I buy luxury items that my wife says I can buy.
Let me put it that way. But you know, you know,
you buy a car, it's in the driveway. You buy
a house, you live in it. You buy a swimming pool,
it's in your backyard. You buy an eighty inch led TV,
it's on the wall. In the real world, I sell
(33:51):
the house. I sell the house. I've maintained it, I've
groomed it. I get more money, I get returned from
my investment. And so so why would I want to
buy land in a virtual world? I don't understand it.
Help me understand, Okay, most.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
People answer when we see said most people cannot afford
real life things. So when they when they kept something
in a virtual world, they still feel as that they
have that.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
But it's a false world. It's a lie. It's a
virtual lie that they're telling themselves. This is this can't
be healthy. I I've got to bring a psychiatrist on
the show and talked to him about this, because I'm
sure that there's something desperately wrong with this, Like this
is do do do?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Do?
Speaker 7 (34:50):
Do? Do?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
This is worth it?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
In the Twilight Zone, let me ask you sure question, sure,
why do you watch a movie?
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Why do I watch a movie? I very rarely watch
movies and I very rarely watch TV.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay, but for some people, they watch a movie because
they get something out of it. They get experienced out
of it. It's not real, yes, but you know it's
not real.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
You know it's not real. You know that in the hour,
hour and a half it's going to be over. And
you know that if a fire alarm in the movie
theater goes, there's a real fire, and you get your
real butt out of that real chair very fast.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yes, you know you can with virtual reality. You know
that it's not real, but it gives you a certain
amount of satisfaction.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
But people go to movies maybe once every two weeks
till once a month. But people who deal in well,
how many hours a week do you spend in the
virtual world.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I personally decided to immerse myself deep into it, so
I'm there a lot of several hours a day. It's
my business. I have businesses inside the virtual world. For
most people, I call it, well.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Well, let's back up here. You've got businesses in the
virtual world. Do you make money in the virtual world?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Very little? Right now?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
So why would it okay, what kind of business do
you have in the virtual world? Hold on, We've got
to take a commercial break. My producer are saying, I
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We'll be back on the other side of this commercial break.
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Speaker 4 (39:21):
I just had a great idea, maybe we should give
get all the leaders of the wacko worlds into virtual reality.
That way, there they can blow up virtual buildings, they
can fight virtual wars, and you know, virtual criminals. Wow,
let's take a let's put a positive spin on this.
Let's put all the negativity in the world today into
(39:43):
the virtual world and make our real world a better
place to live. Our special guest this hour is Leah Tsorrow.
Her website is love like dimsum and her website is
www dot love like dimsum dot com. You say you've
got you do business in the virtual world. What kind
(40:07):
of businesses do you to have?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
The first business that I created was to create tales
to make humans into mermaids and mermat Oh, well.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Hold on here, hold on here, pills to make men
and women into mermen and mermaids. Yes, how's business.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Very slow lately? Yeah, the real word economy affects us
inside the virtual world as well.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Let me ask you something. Why would anybody want to
become a merman or a mermaid.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
For role play for example, or if it's something that
they fantasized about when they were children or when they
watched The Little Mermaid and they want to see what
it's like to pretend to be one, uh huh, or
they just learnt the way that it looks, for example.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
And what other kind of businesses do you have? You
said you had a few businesses.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I create some scripts and some gadgets as well. Some
I created a toy, I'm sorry, not really a type
of the game, a three D version of Tic tac Toe,
which has four by four by four a grid. I
think little things, little gadgets that people can use inside
Second Life. Most of the people who come into Second Life,
(41:26):
they are usually not real world artists, but normal people
who learn how they use the tools to create things
that you wear. They sell skins, they sell hair, which
is a little bit strange when you first come in.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Morbid, there's a little morbid, I said, it's a little morbid.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yes, a little bit. But you buy a lot. You
can buy a lot of the pieces that become your avatar.
You can replace the default ones that you get when
you sign up, and you can put them onto your avatar.
You can buy nails, for example, eyelashes, different types of clothing.
You can buy vehicles, You can buy buildings, trees, plants, rocks.
(42:14):
You can buy rock, so you can put it on
your land if you want it as part of your
decoration for your land. You can buy waves or something
that's seemed immediately.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I hate to do this, but we've run out of
time for tonight. I want to thank you so much
for joining us. And what can I say? I think
there's a bunch of wackos out there. Another one bites
that us. That is so true. Another one bites that us.
You know, can you imagine that spending money to buy
virtual land, spending money to buy a virtual pill that
(42:47):
turns you into a virtual mermaid or a virtual merman
having virtual sex. What is this world coming to? My
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buying virtual land. Oh my good lord, we'll be back
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As we all know, the Internet is changing how we
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about the folks who live in an alternative life, I mean
in virtual reality. If the sex is virtual, is it
(02:19):
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Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Joining me this hour is Leah Tesoro, who worked in
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into second life and has since immersed herself in virtual
reality as a techie, an artist, an entrepreneur, a friend,
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and Leah. Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Hi, Ral, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Virtual sex in virtual reality? Is this? Explain it to me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Virtual sex, if you would imagine it is, actually you
have your avatar and your lover's avatar, and they're performing
these actions inside the virtual world, and at the same time,
you are talking to each other, either by text or
by voice. So it's a simulated physical act, but the
(03:26):
emotions are still very real.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So you say ooh, ooh, ooh ah a voice or text.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's the simplest kind of a virtual sex, yes, but
the more sophisticated lovers actually do much more than that.
They do more like what role players do, where they
describe what they're doing or what they're feeling, or how
they're reacting to what their lovers they are doing.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
How dangerous is virtual sex in the real life? Like
is it hard for a person to separate their virtual
life from their real life? And where do they spend
most of their time in their virtual life or in
their real life?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It depends on the person. Some people spend more time
in virtual reality. They spend most of their free time
in virtual reality. Some people just swing by. They come
in once a week, over the weekend or something, and
then they just disappear again and then come back again
later whenever they feel like it.
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This is going to be an interesting hour exonation. Please
stand by Leah. You and I have to take your
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Speaker 4 (08:29):
Welcome back everyone. We're talking about virtual reality this hour
here in the ex Now. The question is virtual reality sex?
Is it cheating? And our guest is Leah Tesoro and
she's the author of Love Like Dimsum Real World Lessons
Learned and Relearned in a Virtual World is her first book,
and if you'd like more information, we have her website
(08:52):
here at www. Dot lovelikedipsum dot com. That's Love Like
dp s u M dot com. All right, let's let's
take a few steps back here so we can all
better understand the world of virtual reality. How did you
get involved.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
In virtual in Second Life? Human or is.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Vital in virtual reality? Like you know.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You're Actually I discovered it when I was doing some
research about business in score dot org, which is a
website for small business owners, and I saw these little
piecers at the bottom that as well whatever this and that,
and so I was curious what it was. I googled
it and I found Second Life. And because I was
(09:39):
very interested in virtual reality in the beginning, like the
scenes online, which I've heard about long before that, I
figured I'd give it a trice. So I went in
and I tried it, and I've been hooked since.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
What is it about virtual reality that hooks people?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's the immersiveness of it when we're chatting, for example,
in Facebook or in Twitter or in any I am like, yeah,
who it's the only see in words, So we're kind
of disconnected from the people that we're chatting with. But
in a virtual reality world, you see a representation of
(10:19):
that person as a human or whatever, as a character perhaps,
And somehow when we project ourselves into our avatars and
they project themselves into their avatars, we feel as though
they are right next to us. And so you have
people who are from different parts of the world, perhaps
even on the other side of the world, you feel
(10:40):
as though you're right next to each other, like they're
your next door neighbors and you're just chatting over the fence.
It's a very unique perspective. It's a very unique phenomenon
that seems to only happen inside a virtual world.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So am I to understand that when a person takes
an avatar, they're actually taking a a representation of who
they would really like to be. But because they can't
be this person in real life, they live a false
life or a life they'd like to live behind the
face of an avatar in virtual reality.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Not necessarily. What's surprising is that most of the avatars
are still human based, and most of the time, they
look like their real life selves. So somebody with dark
hair would still have a dark haired avatar inside. Like
a life, some people choose to be something else, like
I choose to have red hair, for example, or somebody
(11:34):
else may choose to be a large cat or an
elf or whatever else they can think of our dragon,
So it depends on the person as well. But still
most of the time, most of what I've seen is
that people tend to still look like themselves.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
How does the virtual life differ from the real life
and is there any time where you, as the person
who has an avatar in second life, look at your
second life persona as being the real world and the
(12:12):
real world as being a false world or a different world.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Most No, not really, because you still are very clear
about what's real and what's inside the virtual world. I'm not,
of course, saying that what's inside the virtual world is
not real, because there are aspects of it that are real.
Your interactions with people, how you how you how they
how you relate to them, the relationships that you have
(12:40):
with them, the emotions that you feel are still real.
So even though you're projecting a persona that looks different
from what your real life, is you still behave like
who you are, because it's very difficult to pretend to
be someone for a very long time someone else, I've
(13:01):
unless you're an actor, of course, and you're used to
it and you don't do it for a long time.
But for most people, the real self, the real self
of the real personality, their intelligence, they're whatever makes them happy,
what makes them sad, what they like, what they don't like.
It stills into the virtual world. So it's still there's
(13:22):
still it's a mix of reality and fiction, if you
if you would say, or or pretense. It's like being
in a costume ball for example, you're dressed as someone else,
but you're still yourself.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Is there any danger of psychological damage from anything that
happens in the virtual world? In virtual reality, for example,
you meet somebody online in your virtual world under the
guise of an avatar, you fall in love. Now this
love just isn't it just isn't part of your virtual
(14:03):
real world. It also carries over into your real world,
and you know what, Let's say this person breaks off
with you, or there's a tragic accident and this person
is no longer involved in your virtual world. How do
you separate one from the other, one of make believe
and one of reality.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You cannot because your emotions are are still real and
the experience is still real. You will feel the thing,
You will feel the heartbreak, you will feel the grief
when somebody dies, and there are people who have been
in second life and they have passed away in real life,
(14:45):
and people grieve for them, people miss them. It's just
like if you think about it as just another way
of interacting with somebody, like email or the phone or
the web, You're still interacting with the real people. The
only difference is that the method of interaction, the media
of interaction is different. So the relationships that you create
(15:11):
inside the virtual world will affect you in real life.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I I'm just wondering why a person would enter a
world of virtual reality instead of trying to to maintain
and to go forward in the real world.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
What's they're not mutually exclusive?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
For example, you have a life in at work and
you have that that relationships with people, you have the
things that you do in your in your work. At
the same time, you would also have a life out
with your friends, for like your golfing buddies, right these
are These are separate, but they're not entirely exclusively mutually exclusive.
(15:59):
So it's the same that the virtual world. If you
think of a virtual world as just another place that
you go to to meet friends, then it makes better
sense it because you're able to more integrate it into
your real life, your regular life.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
But why, you know, I'm having a bit of a
problem understanding why someone would want to go into a
virtual world unless they have problems in the real world.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Ah, but it opens up opportunities. See, in real life,
you don't travel very often. You travel maybe once a
year for a week ago somewhere else when you meet
people over there and then you come back and you're
back to your regular life. In a virtual world, it
expands your possibilities of meeting so many people from all
(16:49):
over the world, from different countries, from different cultures, and
that expands your world. When I meet people hurt from
a different country, for example, and I get to know
them and I learn about their culture, it feels more
real to me. Their country now isn't just a dot
on the map. It's a place that I feel connected
(17:12):
to because I know somebody intimately from that country. Now,
if you think about it would you support a war
against that country when you know somebody personally there. So
it has implications in our society as well, because we
get to know people who are not like us more
(17:34):
intimately and we get to accept it more. So it
increases our tolerance for diversityes just at the same time.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
But is virtual reality for everyone or is there a
certain mindset that virtual reality has been created for.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It hasn't been created specifically for any specific person, but
as with any technology, there are certain people who are
more familiar with it or who are more comfortable with
that type of technology. At this point, virtual reality is
a little more difficult to learn than the web because
it's a more complex application or software. So in that sense,
(18:21):
right now, at this point, it's not quite easy for
mainstream people yet. But people who are ordinary people, who
are not even techies, they're able to come in and
they are able to live inside a virtual world just
as easily as the rest of us. For example, I
know musicians who would perform inside second life and they
(18:44):
just know just enough to be able to put together
a show and that's it, and interact with other people
and that's it. So after you get to know the
basics of the software. They can pretty much live in
virtual work comfortably like anybody else.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
All Right, so I think I'm getting the gist of it,
but I'm gonna have to take a commercial break here
with the news and welcome back and talk more about
this fascinating world. It seems like it's almost part of
a dream world, if I can relate it to that.
But it's a dream that has multiple people in it
(19:27):
at the same time, reacting in real time. How's that?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yes, that's such a good metaphor.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Youah, okay, please stand by Leah. Thank you very much
for joining us. It's great talking to you. Exzonation. Leah
Tesorro is our special guest. We're talking about virtual reality
and the question is virtual reality sex? Is it cheating?
My name is Rob McConnell. This is the X Zone
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radio programming anywhere twenty four seven three sixty five. Welcome
back everyone. There's an oldie, but a goodie that goes
way back to my youth, to good old French Canadians,
so singing chitem no pleaux. That's a Jane Berkin and
Set Gainsberg that used to be a pretty hot song.
And I imagine that there's pretty hot songs that people
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use when they're in their virtual life. And I have
to tell you, Yeah, well, I have to ask you this,
And what's it like having virtual set. I've never talked
to anybody who's had virtual sex before.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It can be intense, It depends what I've suddenly said.
When people use a voice as opposed to text, it's
less distracting, and you can get a nuances from a
person's voice. It can be very very arousing when you
hear somebody's breathing. I mean, this is like sound sex.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
At the same time, let me ask you, let me
ask you something here at this point, Mom and dad,
if you have any children listening to the show, cover
the ears for a second. How do you gratify yourself?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Okay, that answered that I see. And have you ever
had the opportunity of meeting any of the people that
you've had virtual sex with in real life?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Actually yeah, not very many, but but just a couple.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
And this brings me to my next question. Was it
better in virtual reality or was it better in real life?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Of course, it's better in real life because you don't
have the type, so your answer free.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
But well, sometimes your hands are free.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
But you and and you feel more. You actually feel
the other person touching you in real life, but in
virtual reality it requires a lot of imagination to actually
get this to get the same effect. So it's not
really the same as in real life. But when you're
that far away and you want to express your emotions
for each other, for example, then it's it's a it's
(23:45):
a compromise. It's it's a good way to do it
without spending you know, thousands of dollars traveling back and forth.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Uh, how does virtual reality help people? You know, I
understand that it Actually some people believe it's a healthy relief.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Actually, yes, because you the emotional rewards are still there
and you have a broader base for your support system.
For example, if your primary relationship in real life isn't
isn't providing everything that you needed emotionally, intellectually or socially,
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you can go instead of ruining that relationship, you can
go into a virtual world and get it. To get
the reward, the emotional needs met inside a virtual world,
But you have to be careful to preserve the.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
One you have in yeah, Like, how do you play
it safe that the virtual reality doesn't ruin your real life?
Like there has to be there has to be cases
where virtual reality has you know, consumed the player and
they actually ignore their real relationships, their wives, their kids,
(25:20):
and they live for their their virtual world. How do
you stop that from happening?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
The first thing, well, the first thing if you're the
one who has a relationship in real life, the first
thing that you do is should define your boundaries with
whoever you're within virtual reality. You tell them, Okay, I
am married, or I have this relationship that is committed.
I don't want this relationship, this virtual relationship, to come
(25:51):
out into real life. And most people are finding that
because they're doing the same thing. So you limit your
interactions inside the virtual world and only when you're logged in.
Some people would extend it out to email, for example,
or to quick text messages. But the focus is the
(26:12):
ideal is that you say, here's my boundaries. Here are
my boundaries. It doesn't come out and you don't visit
each other. You don't see each other. You just specify
a specific time when you're going to be with your
virtual lover. You can specify a specific time when you're
going to be with your primary relationship in real life.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I do people ever get married in virtual reality?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yes, we have virtual weddings. It's a big business inside
virtual reality, and it satisfies a need for some women
who need this big wedding thing, but they can't afford
it because it's cheaper.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Wait a second, Hold on here, Hold on here. There's
got to be something I'm missing here. Like if there's
a woman who, let's say, is married, and she goes
into virtual reality to get the things that she can't
get in real life, doesn't that raise a flag for
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a psychological problem.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'm a psychologist, so I can't really answer that question.
But if they encourage you to get what you need elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
But it's not real, it's not real. It's a world
of imagination.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
The place is not real, the avatar is not real,
but the interactions are, the conversations are real, the emotions
are real, the friendships are real.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I don't know. I don't know. So virtual reality is
replacing the Playboy book for young.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Kids who knows well, there's a limit. Though there's an
age limit. There are areas of the virtual world where
they say segment out the adult content from the general content,
the teaching content. So even though they allow people who
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are age sixteen or older there, we don't allow anybody
younger than sixteen. Is that well, not officially, although you
can't really verify it. Just like the Internet, they segment
out the content that some people might find offensive or
younger people are not supposed to be looking at.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Sorry, I was just going to ask you if if
there are those people who, let's say, are at work
and instead of working, are actually on the computer in
their virtual world, and you know, doesn't this kind of
pose a problem because that people are supposed to be working,
they're in virtual reality? And do you have to buy anything?
Does it cost you anything to be in this virtual world?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Your first question is if it's the same with the
Internet or the web anyway, they could be doing something
else on the internet or the web, or watching a
movie on YouTube or something or whatever. It's the same distraction.
So so however you deal with those other distractions, is
how you deal with it with people who are at work,
(29:20):
And most most workplaces anyway, they actually put a firewall
so that people cannot get into certain websites or into
certain sites, and virtual reality has. It requires a lot
of bandwidth. It requires a bigger network than most, so
it will slow down the entire company's network if you
(29:43):
actually do it. There Now, your second question is whether
it's free. Yes, it is. You can come in on
the basic account in Second Life for free. They give
you a list of a series a set I'm sorry
as set of avatars that you can choose from. These
are default avatars, and if you don't like what they
(30:03):
look like, you can modify them. And there's also this
big activity. There's this big thing inside the virtual world
that you can go and hunt for freebies from designers
where they would give away some freebies just to invite
people into their stores to take a look at their stores.
And there are events that we call hunts where you
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go from one store to the other and you look
for that freebie inside the store. So there's there's lots
of ways to get free stuff inside the virtual world.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
But I also understand it can cost a lot of
money in some instances.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
In some if you buy land, land is virtual land
is the most expensive expense. There was expensive thing inside
the virtual world.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I gotta ask you, why would anybody waste good money
on imaginary land.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Because it gives you space where you can build your
dream home.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
You can do that on a piece of paper. You
don't need to spend money on on you know what.
I'm finding this very hard to understand why people do this.
You know, if it's if it's a fun and a game,
I can understand it. You know, like there are plenty
of games out there that kids get into. What was
the Dungeon and Dragons? I think what's one of the
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first ones, But I understand there, Like you just had
people buy land. They how much does land go for
in the virtual world.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It depends. The smallest piece of land is about five
hundred and twelve square meters and you can get that
if you pay the monthly fee, the monthly premium fee,
which is about between six to nine dollars, depending on
whether you pay monthly or you pay annually. And if
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you want more then you can buy additional land, and
additional land would also require you to pay a bit
more every month, so it's like a property tax if
you think about it that way, and that can be expensive.
Some people actually buy a whole what we call a
sim which is or a region, which is actually just
(32:17):
a server, and you get two fifty six by two
fifty six square meters in that land, and you can
have privacy so that there's nobody else around you, and
nobody else can come in if you don't want to,
and you can put different things in there. You can
plant trees where you want them, you can install buildings
where you want them. You can even change the land formation.
(32:39):
You can have a mountain if you want, you can
have a very deep ocean if you want. So, you
can configure it any way that you want. And many
people actually do buy those regions just because of the
privacy or the flexibility of what they can do in it.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Okay, so you buy your land, you're let's see, even
at seventy bucks a month, you know you're over You're
nearly eight hundred dollars a year to buy to actually
play in a dream world. Why would you want to
buy land that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Why would you want to buy any luxury item? For example?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Well, I buy luxury items that I can hold, and
I buy luxury items that my wife says I can buy.
Let me put it that way. But you know, you know,
you buy a car, it's in the driveway. You buy
a house, you live in it. You buy a swimming pool,
it's in your backyard. You buy an eighty inch led TV,
it's on the wall. In the real world, I sell
(33:51):
the house. I sell the house. I've maintained it, I've
groomed it. I get more money, I get returned from
my investment. And so so why would I want to
buy land in a virtual world? I don't understand it.
Help me understand, Okay, most.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
People answer when we see said most people cannot afford
real life things. So when they when they kept something
in a virtual world, they still feel as that they
have that.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
But it's a false world. It's a lie. It's a
virtual lie that they're telling themselves. This is this can't
be healthy. I I've got to bring a psychiatrist on
the show and talked to him about this, because I'm
sure that there's something desperately wrong with this, Like this
is do do do?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Do?
Speaker 7 (34:50):
Do? Do?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
This is worth it?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
In the Twilight Zone, let me ask you sure question, sure,
why do you watch a movie?
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Why do I watch a movie? I very rarely watch
movies and I very rarely watch TV.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay, but for some people, they watch a movie because
they get something out of it. They get experienced out
of it. It's not real, yes, but you know it's
not real.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
You know it's not real. You know that in the hour,
hour and a half it's going to be over. And
you know that if a fire alarm in the movie
theater goes, there's a real fire, and you get your
real butt out of that real chair very fast.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yes, you know you can with virtual reality. You know
that it's not real, but it gives you a certain
amount of satisfaction.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
But people go to movies maybe once every two weeks
till once a month. But people who deal in well,
how many hours a week do you spend in the
virtual world.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I personally decided to immerse myself deep into it, so
I'm there a lot of several hours a day. It's
my business. I have businesses inside the virtual world. For
most people, I call it, well.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Well, let's back up here. You've got businesses in the
virtual world. Do you make money in the virtual world?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Very little? Right now?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
So why would it okay, what kind of business do
you have in the virtual world? Hold on, We've got
to take a commercial break. My producer are saying, I
must be missing something here x oonation. I must be
We'll be back on the other side of this commercial break.
Here in the weird real world with yours truly, Rob
McConnell one eight hundred and six ten seven zero three
(36:31):
five email x O and at xone Radio TV dot com,
Virtual real World, Virtual reality sex. Is it cheating? Hm hmm.
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Speaker 4 (39:21):
I just had a great idea, maybe we should give
get all the leaders of the wacko worlds into virtual reality.
That way, there they can blow up virtual buildings, they
can fight virtual wars, and you know, virtual criminals. Wow,
let's take a let's put a positive spin on this.
Let's put all the negativity in the world today into
(39:43):
the virtual world and make our real world a better
place to live. Our special guest this hour is Leah Tsorrow.
Her website is love like dimsum and her website is
www dot love like dimsum dot com. You say you've
got you do business in the virtual world. What kind
(40:07):
of businesses do you to have?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
The first business that I created was to create tales
to make humans into mermaids and mermat Oh, well.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Hold on here, hold on here, pills to make men
and women into mermen and mermaids. Yes, how's business.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Very slow lately? Yeah, the real word economy affects us
inside the virtual world as well.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Let me ask you something. Why would anybody want to
become a merman or a mermaid.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
For role play for example, or if it's something that
they fantasized about when they were children or when they
watched The Little Mermaid and they want to see what
it's like to pretend to be one, uh huh, or
they just learnt the way that it looks, for example.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
And what other kind of businesses do you have? You
said you had a few businesses.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I create some scripts and some gadgets as well. Some
I created a toy, I'm sorry, not really a type
of the game, a three D version of Tic tac Toe,
which has four by four by four a grid. I
think little things, little gadgets that people can use inside
Second Life. Most of the people who come into Second Life,
(41:26):
they are usually not real world artists, but normal people
who learn how they use the tools to create things
that you wear. They sell skins, they sell hair, which
is a little bit strange when you first come in.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Morbid, there's a little morbid, I said, it's a little morbid.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yes, a little bit. But you buy a lot. You
can buy a lot of the pieces that become your avatar.
You can replace the default ones that you get when
you sign up, and you can put them onto your avatar.
You can buy nails, for example, eyelashes, different types of clothing.
You can buy vehicles, You can buy buildings, trees, plants, rocks.
(42:14):
You can buy rock, so you can put it on
your land if you want it as part of your
decoration for your land. You can buy waves or something
that's seemed immediately.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I hate to do this, but we've run out of
time for tonight. I want to thank you so much
for joining us. And what can I say? I think
there's a bunch of wackos out there. Another one bites
that us. That is so true. Another one bites that us.
You know, can you imagine that spending money to buy
virtual land, spending money to buy a virtual pill that
(42:47):
turns you into a virtual mermaid or a virtual merman
having virtual sex. What is this world coming to? My
name is Rob mcadell. This is the x own, a
real place, not a virtual place. One eight hundred and
six ten seven zero three five worldwide total free email
(43:07):
x ownert xone radio, TV dot com. I don't know
what is this world coming to? Paying for virtual stones,
buying virtual land. Oh my good lord, we'll be back
on the other side of this break.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Don't go away.
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