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October 11, 2025 54 mins
Best-selling author of 20 critically acclaimed books (translated in 12 languages) on Magick and the Occult, Lon Milo DuQuette is one of the most respected and entertaining writers and lecturers in the field of the Western Mystery Traditions. He is also gifted singer songwriter and former Epic Records recording artist whose material continues to inspire and provoke.

Since 1975 he as been a national and international governing officer of Ordo Templi Orientis, one of the most influential magical societies of the 20th Century. He is an internationally recognized authority on tarot and western ceremonial magick. Although he takes these subjects very seriously, he tries not to take himself too seriously. This rare combination of scholarship and humor has earned him in the last 22 years a unique and respected position in American spiritual and esoteric literature.

DuQuette appears often on television and radio as a guest expert on subjects involving the occult. He is a contributor to the Magical Egypt DVD series and a host on the new series, The Great Work.

He is a faculty member of the Omega Institute in Reinbeck New York, and Robert Anton Wilson’s Maybe Logic Academy.

He lives in Sacramento, California with his wife of 56 years, Constance.


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And good evening one and all, and welcome back to
the X Zone. I am Rob mcconnellan. For the next
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My guest this hour, Exzone Nation, is a gentleman I've
had the pleasure of having on the show before, and
his name is lawnmeloed Cuquette, best selling author of twenty
critically acclaimed books translated into twelve languages on magic and

(01:57):
the occult. Lawnmeloa Duquette is one of the most respected
and entertaining writers and lecturers in the field of Western
mystery traditions. He has also a gifted singer, songwriter and
former Epic Records recording artist whose material continues to inspire
and provoke. Joining me now from Sacramento, California. When we're

(02:18):
right now, it's one hundred and three degrees fahrenheit, is
my guest, La Melds again and Lown. Always great having
you on the show. Besides being hot, how are you doing.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm doing okay. I'm sitting out of the heat wave
as best as a seventy six year old man could do.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
What would you say to people who say climate change
isn't real.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, if they've seen as many decades of weather that
I have. But I find it sort of hard to
believe that in the last ten or fifteen years. In
my observation, every year is different than it ever was

(03:14):
that time of year before.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So I can fully agree with that because here at
Christmas time, I'm from Montreal, Quebec, and usually at Christmas
time in Montreal, you know, we had we had snow
piled on each side of the driveway six to seven
feet high. And where did all snow go? All of
a sudden, You know, there's no more snow banks, there's

(03:38):
no more snow on the hills for the kids go tobogganing.
It's yeah, tell me climate change isn't real. I'll give
you a few words that I can't use on this
family radio show, but I will send you an email
with them. Yeah, it's a crazy world out there at
long And as a magician, as somebody who's studied mysticism,

(04:01):
is there any mystical reason why we're going through this?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Uh? Well, probably, but I don't have the wisdom or
wit to identify it actually, But I do know that
there are times, at least in the within human memory
that ah, that are sort of axial moments when stupid

(04:34):
people seem to become stupid or yeah, and wise people
tend to become more more profound. It's uh, there's something
to the Hindu idea of of yugas and ages and uh,

(04:57):
you know, I have no scientific uh data to back
this up, but I think human consciousness has effect on
all sorts of planes that we can't see a you know,
a direct connection to and or it may be just

(05:21):
this part of the the universe is going through a cycle,
a nutty cycle, and we're all going nutty too. But
it certainly seems certainly seems like a like a dramatic
shift not only in human consciousness, but a shift in

(05:46):
what we uh have comfortably thought was reality. And there
hasn't been a time when we actually are facing the
scientific I guess possibility of extinction and that and when

(06:15):
we look around and say, well, who do we blame
for this? We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I agree with you on hundred percent, And so did
my producer playing that note. You know, I've got to
give you congratulations because I understand you've got a new
book that has just come out on Tyro. Tell us
about that.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, it hasn't come out, it's been it's just completed.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh I see, yeah, And oh it's.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
What has obsessed me for the last couple of years.
It's about Taro. But you know, the world doesn't need
another Tarot book. There's plenty of great Tarot books around.
But you know, I think that all of mystical studies

(07:06):
and theories and magical techniques and and things that they're
all fine and good, and they're they're all extremely interesting,
and they sort of help lubricate one's thinking process, and
that can be an evolutionary aid. But you know, if

(07:31):
you if you're not using this stuff to affect some
kind of positive change in you, you're in you, then
it's just sort of an academic exercise. So over the years,

(07:53):
my wife and I created a tarot deck thirty some
years ago, and it's sort of an attempt to show
the parallels of the structure of tarot along with other
magical systems like the Goi shiki vocation, you know, spirit

(08:15):
evocation and in Nocchian magic of doctor John d And
of course it's directly connected to astrological qualities. So we've
got the Tarot deck, the Tarot of ceremonial magic, and

(08:36):
I've written a book about that, and that's still available.
But I had over the years at our Monday night
magic class, which we're starting up again here in Sacramento
in just a couple of weeks, I tried as best

(08:57):
I could to make it a positive experiential experience rather
than just an initiatory a self initiatory experience rather than
just you know, cold learning. And a couple of years

(09:19):
ago I ran across the black and white line drawings
of the Tarot of ceremonial magic. Of course, the deck
as its souls in full color and everything else. But
I thought, wouldn't it be wonderful if everybody had the

(09:43):
opportunity to carefully, one by one, have the opportunity to
paint their own tarot deck. The initiates of the Golden
Dawn were encouraged to do that. Paul Case's wonderful builders
of the additim uh initiatory group. Uh did that? Uh?

(10:10):
You literally spend you know, you take the time to
color and understand every aspect of the of the card.
It's it's proper colors, it's proper astrological Uh. And I
had these blank, uncolored Tarot cards, and so I thought,

(10:35):
would it just be super if I could reproduce those,
you know, full size in a in a book, uh,
along with all of the you know, meditative exercises, meditations,
and and visualizations that that would go along with tuning

(11:01):
yourself to to the cards and make it a full blown,
full blown experience and have the cards uh, you know,
big enough to you could color them write in the
book if you wanted to, but you could also uh
just run down to your local stationery store and print

(11:26):
them all out on card stock and then customize them
according to your own tastes and and uh growing knowledge
while sticking to the fundamentals of what makes the card
the card.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
So so you and the you and the card and
the deck actually become one because you're you know, you're
putting so much of yourself in it from the very beginning.
And I would imagine that this would help the person
better understand the cards because they themselves have been part
of the manufacturing.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I couldn't have said it or myself. It is like
a super consecration of uh of the greatest talisman in
Western mysticism, the tarot. It's a it's it's a consecration
on steroids and it uh and any tarot deck that

(12:21):
you would use or that you would you know, prefer
to use or fancy from then on will also be
charged with that same understanding and intimacy that that you've
installed in yourself. It's not just on the paper or
the card stock. You're installing it all in yourself.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
All right, Uh, lawn, you and I have to take
our first break. See please stand by an explanation. If
you'd like to contact Lawn Milo Duquette, the best way
would be on his Facebook page, and that's Facebook dot
com forward slash l O N dot d u q
u E t t E Lawn Duquette. We'll be back
on the other side of this break as we continue
hearing the x Zone from our broadcast Entrance studios in

(13:04):
Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on the x Zone Broadcast network
and streaming on XBN dot net. I was waiting for

(13:48):
soul for americals everyone sold me to.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
He's strong through the dunglasson.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
A welcome back everyone. Law Lawn below Dukett is my
special guest. If you'd like to find out more about Lawn,
visit his website, which is his Facebook page, Facebook dot
com forward slash l O N dot, d u q
u E t t E, which is Lawn Period du
Quette Lawn. How do you think or why do you

(14:35):
think that the Tarot cards have lasted the you know,
throughout the throughout the ages, it's lasted and it's been
tested by time and still Tarot cards are here.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, the Tarot cards at least the the way we
think of them. You know, that's seventy eight card deck.
You know, it didn't just spring on human consciousness like
you know Minerva from the Skull of Zeuss. It sort

(15:12):
of developed, okay, around northern European It was it was
a game. It was a game like bridge, and it
didn't have some of the decks had seventy eight cards,
and some of them, you know, had many more than that.

(15:35):
And it's one of these cases, like I was mentioning
a minute ago that when when human consciousness, you know,
as a as a whole culture, say, all of a sudden,
everybody in the early fifties, all of a sudden, we're

(15:56):
introduced to television. Now, look look how television completely revolutionized
human consciousness. It's led now look at the Internet and
the cell phones and social media. When human consciousness is

(16:22):
touched by sort of a universal medium, human consciousness touches
back and the tarot as we understand it as its
form today and as it's well, let's just say in
the last couple of hundred years, because we can go

(16:42):
way back further than that, but let's just say in
the last couple hundred of years, it is structured along
very exact mathematical principles that character the nature of existence itself, time, space, motion. Okay,

(17:13):
we've settled on. We've decided. Human consciousness has dictated that
there are two major kinds of Tarot cards in a
tarot deck. We call one of them the major arcana,
and there's twenty two cards in that, and then there's

(17:34):
fifty six cards in the lesser arcana, and that is
just like a modern deck of plane cards. It's organized
like that, except there's four court cards. Okay, Those twenty
two cards are divided into three kinds of categories that

(18:03):
correspond exactly to the same way that the Hebrew Kabbala
tried to explain the birth of existence. There's three mother letters,
and there's three primitive element cards, the Fool, the Hangman,
and Judgment, which stand for those primitive elements of firewater,

(18:27):
and air. But what they really stand for is the
number three. And the number three created space a line
that's up down, a line that's right left, in a
line that's forward backwards. That created space, and that space

(18:49):
has six walls in a center. That's the second kind
of Tarot trump cards, greater arcane of cards, and they're
assigned to the planetary spheres. That's also space. They create
a cube. Those three created a cube with six landmarks,

(19:15):
six walls and ceiling and floor and the center. And
that cube has twelve edges on it, just like the
signs of the zodiac or the twelve simple letters of
the Hebrew alphabet. Learning how the Tarot is structured, you
learn how existence is structured. And that space that those

(19:41):
twenty two cards created, movement within that space, or relative
movement within that space, is what we think of as time.
So that's heavy stuff. Okay. You know, in a card game,

(20:02):
in the organization of a card game, you drag in
the very essence the quantum revelations of Hebrew kabbala and
and mathematics, if you will. So we're all hardwired with

(20:24):
that same rhythm, that same pattern, that same repeating pattern
of three seven twelve threes. We're walking around in a universe.
We have our place within the universe of three seven
twelve and those are represented by the twenty two letters

(20:45):
of the Hebrew alphabet and the twenty two cards of
the Tarot, which which give added dimension, added meaning, added
relevance to each of those little land marks. So the
part of the new book is well right now. The

(21:10):
working title of the book is building your own house
of cards. The house of cards, of course, is the
cosmos and your your own existence. But I give you,
or I train you on three of the working tools

(21:31):
to build your own house of cards. And the first
working tool is the cabalistic name of God, Jodha vove Okay,
and I tell you know all about that that our
idea of a manifested universe is easily looked at in

(21:57):
four parts, okay, and I do that. The second working
tool is the Kabbalistic schematic called the Tree of Life,
and that tree of life has room on the tree
of Life for all of the twenty two trump cards
of the Tarot and all of the small cards of

(22:19):
the lesser Arcana. And then the third working tool is
your understanding of that cube of space that I just
described to you. And along with each of these working
tools I have, I've created sidebar exercises, but meditations that

(22:46):
make sure that these concepts are completely branded in your
subconscin you realign yourself. You've squirt yourself with mystic d forty,
you know, based, so all your machinery is actually is

(23:07):
actually functioning. You're building this house of cards within yourself,
and when you when you're through with this, you should
be able to take any standard deck of Tarot cards
and make it your own incredibly powerful magical weapon.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
All right, now, I can understand how somebody would be
able to read their own Tarot cards based on what
you've just told us. But how does that work if
let's say Mary Jane is asked by John to read
his Tarot cards? Is it the same principle?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Theoretically, it would be if John could properly identify with Joan. Okay,
I read tarot cards, had Tarot cards for years, but
I don't. The cards aren't talking to me. The cards

(24:11):
are talking to the questioner or the querrant or whatever
you want to want to call the the person asking
the question. You can't do magic for someone else, and
you can't read someone else's Tarot cards. You have to
figure out a way to make them read that themselves.

(24:34):
And there I know many very very talented, talented Tarot readers,
But their talent is not so much the result of
their mastery of all the buzzwords that a company each

(24:58):
of the seventy two cards. Their talent is their profound
empathy with their client. And it's the client that has
to see the truth in what you're saying, and it's
the tarot readers in my opinion. Okay, it's the tarot
reader's job to stay out of the way of the

(25:22):
client seeing the answer for themselves.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Okay, So basically it's a two way street. The reader
gives what he sees, and it's up to the person
to whom he's doing the reading for to interpret what
is coming from the tarot reader as it affects his
own life or her own life.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yes, and for me personally, I spend a great deal
of time at the very beginning of a session determining
what the client's real question is. The time or more,

(26:06):
the client thinks they know what their question is, but
it isn't. It's something else. It's something deeper. It's something
that they really really really want to know.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
All right, Lon, please stand by because you and I
have to take our break at the bottom of the hour.
Fascinating topic and explanation. If you'd like to find out
more about our guests this hour, Lawn Melod de Quett
visit his Facebook page Lawn dot Touquette. I'm Rob mccallobish
is the excell and I we're coming to you on
the x ALL Broadcast Network from my studios in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,

(26:44):
streaming around the world on XVN dot Net.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
A Kid and the World lot.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Where is the moment we need and the most you
kick up the leaves and the magic is lost? And
tell me your blue scatspy de Gray, and tell me
your passions gone.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And I don't need no care or not. You standing
the loud just to hear the new lord if they
can smile with the coffee you go. Tell me your

(27:50):
last bus way over You fall to pieces every time,
and now you don't need no chair. No, because he
had a bad day.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Down that song, just down.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And welcome back with you one laugh. Milo de Kettis
are a very special guest and Lauren. Would it be
safe to say that the tarot deck was actually from
the Hebrew culture?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
No, okay, actually it was.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was. If anything, at least part of it was
from the Islamic culture, especially the cards of the Lesser Arcana,
which like I said, was more or less like modern
deck of playing cards. It was used to play a
popular game called mamlock, and which it was also sort

(28:58):
of related to bridge, and the mamlock sort of spread
with the spread of Islam and the popularity of the deck.
The association with the Hebrew alphabet probably was formed quite

(29:28):
a bit later, when the deck became standardized with seventy
eight cards, which is probably not before the fifteenth century.
And the fact that the twenty two what they call triphoni,

(29:49):
those are the picture cards, you know, and the cards
that the wheel of fortune and death and the Pope
and the Emperor and magician and hypriess. Those cards stuck
and crystallized, almost as if everybody at least subconsciously demanded

(30:15):
that the cast of characters in their in their cards.
And it's then that they said, oh my god, there's
three of those cards that are just like the Hebrew
concept of of oliph machine. And they began to look

(30:38):
at the most classic and the oldest, certainly the oldest
Kabbalah text. It's very short little things, just like a
pamphlet called the Seffroyette Zira. And that's that's what broke
the Hebrew alphabet into three primative elements, seven planetary letters

(31:04):
in twelve zodiacal letters and it just so happened. You know,
we always want to put the cart before the horse.
The same thing in human consciousness made the cabalists divide

(31:25):
their Hebrew letters up into those same qualities was the
same mechanism of human consciousness that caused Europeans to demand
that there are tarot cards be divided in the exact

(31:46):
same way. And it was really late. It's like the
eighteenth and nineteenth century when Europeans were starting to say, okay,
we see these universal concepts totally beautifully mirrored in the

(32:09):
standard Hebrew kabbala. And of course from the outside looking in,
it looks like, oh my god, there's a big conspiracy.
There's Oh it took you know, brilliant people to invent this. No,
it just took time and human consciousness. Because we're all

(32:32):
hardwired exactly the same way. Because we're all walking around
in a dimension of up and down and right and
left and front and back, we're all resonating with those
same principles. So in a sense, it all came together

(32:52):
and with perfection, like that, truth reveals itself in perfection,
and beauty is perfection, okay, And truth reveals itself in beauty,
So is it any wonder that cards, beautiful cards organized

(33:16):
in these these perfect according to these perfect cosmic fundamental
principles of existence. Is it any wonder that if you're
just a little in tune with all of this, they
could serve as an oracle?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Makes sense? It really does. What came first? Lawn the mystic,
or the magician, the tarot card reader, or Lawn the musician, singer, songwriter?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Uhln, the class Clown's that's who came first. Then that's
who stuck around. Actually, the chronologically the musician thing came first.

(34:15):
My music was the only thing that because I was
a class clown. My music was the only thing that
enabled me to graduate from high school because I could
sing and I was like the lead in the school
musicals and things like that, and so the music director

(34:40):
bullied all the other teachers into letting me pass. And
I was in a band early on, even before I
could drive. I was in a touring band. We just
did cover stuff, you know, around the Midwest for a
few years. And then after I graduated from high school

(35:03):
and moved to California and just sort of stumbled into
a record deal with Epic Records, and I got to
it went Okay, we did a couple singles in an
album for Epic and got to tour with folks. But

(35:27):
about the same time I was doing all of that,
the music was really kind of working out in the
late sixties and early seventies. That was the same time
that the mystical elements of popular music were in the forefront,

(35:48):
the Beatles, you know, going to India, and the culture,
the psychedelic culture that was part and parcel of of
the musician, the musician's life in those days. And it just,

(36:10):
you know, a few very profound psychedelic sessions during that
period just made me go, oh, my god, is that
how big my head is? WHOA? There's there's no edge
to it, you know. And so that got me into

(36:31):
mysticism and things like that. And it also made me
realize that if I was to continue with the with
the music life, that wouldn't be too conducive to home
and home and family life, which I really wanted. So
got out. I got out of being a musician and

(36:54):
got into being a magician.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Would the mystic that you played in record or it
would would our audience know any of it?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I don't know. Our second single, the Word is Love,
got to be number one and a couple of American markets.
It's called The Word is Love by Charlie Dan Milo
and our album got got very good reviews and Billboard

(37:30):
and everything. And you can download the whole thing, or
you can at least listen to the whole thing on YouTube,
and it's all over the place. And Johnny Rivers, you know,
much more famous and popular recording artists had us. Ah,

(37:54):
he did one of our songs, and we backed him
up because he liked our band too, and so that
you can hear us on his album called Homegrown, his
Homegrown album, and our song was called move in to

(38:15):
the Country.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
So fascinating, fascinating life, my friend, when did the transition?
So do you miss you ever miss the musician life
compared to the life of the magician?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
You know, I can't. I can't say that. I do.
You know. For about ten years ago, somebody gave me
a guitar. I didn't even have a guitar for twenty
five years, and I started to sing and write songs.
You know, you go through periods, and so I got

(38:58):
a producer and a little record label, and so I
did four CDs and a bunch of singles, So just
google Lawann Milo Duquette and.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Music and the Way and the rest is history. Lawn,
you and I have to take our final break. When
we come back, I'd like to talk to you about
your book, Revolt of the Magicians. All right, fascinating Lawn Duquette.
Lawn Melo Duquette is my special guest and Facebook forward

(39:36):
slash lawn dot Duquette. We'll both be back as we
wrap up this hour here in the X Zone with
Here's Tuli Rob McConnell from our broadcast center in studios
in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on the X Zone Broadcast
Network and streaming around the world on XBN dot net.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Where was the mom? And we need the You kick
up the leaves, the magic is lost, tell me your blue.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Caste de gray and tell me your passions gone. And
I don't need no care, no standing the loud, stay the.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Explanation now, Rot Lawn Melow Zuquette is with us this
hour on Facebook Facebook dot or is it just Facebook
slash lawn dot Dequette. We've talked about the tarot cards,
We've talked about his musical career. Now, Lana, i'd like
to talk about your new book that is entitled The

(41:20):
Revolt of the Magicians.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Okay, it it's not really there's a long story that
and I know we've only got we're wrapping it up here.
But about twenty twenty five years ago, I got I

(41:46):
was contacted by a producer with at the time it
was Sony Films, and he wanted a script for a
movie about Alistair Crowley. And that's just about all they wanted,
you know, the script. And it wasn't supposed to be

(42:08):
a biography or anything really you know, historically accurate, but
just a fun fantasy story about Alistair Crowley. And I
decided that an interesting part of his life was his
almost youthful experience with the Golden Dawn, the hermetic Order

(42:33):
of the Golden Dawn. And there was almost a comedy
of events that led to the of Crowley actually breaking
up and destroying this wonderful organizations. And there's other characters

(42:53):
in it, okay that are true historic giants. W William
Butler eight okay as a character, and and Bram Stoker
and these movie literally movie stars, but but stars of
the stage. Florence Farr and mad Gone and and uh

(43:16):
incredibly wealthy t heiress is Andy Hornemann and the story
itself from a historical perspective is very very interesting, and
there's magic involved, big time magic and and uh uh
sort of black magic and curses and things things like that,
all in very prim uh uh Victorian and Edward and uh,

(43:43):
you know manners and.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
So I wrote a script okay, and it was it
was uh a work for hire, so you know, I
wasn't attached to it. You know, I got paid to
do it, but it got me into, you know, learning
how to use a screenwriting program and things like that.
And it got optioned. Okay, it got optioned by a

(44:12):
film company and the actor Alan Rickman signed a letter
of intent to play Kroley and we were just all
so very exciting, excited about the whole thing, and of
course nothing happened with it. Okay. About ten years later
I get a call from the same guy who now

(44:32):
works for another film company. He says, I've got it
was a Canadian It was a Canadian film company and
they were interested in it, but they were at the
time part of the UK Film Council and had to

(44:53):
all the principles involved in the in the thing had
to be UK citizens and I'm out of UK citizen,
but I'd say you all, hello, hello, hello, and no,
that won't work. But they can hire a scriptwriter for

(45:18):
a work for hire and they can adapt it from
a novel and all you have to do is make
a novel out of it, and then they'll give you
the same points as you know, equivalent of a screenwriter.
And I said, okay, all I have to do is
turn it into a novel. So I turned it into
a novel. It took a long time, and then nothing

(45:45):
ever came of that. I'm kidding, and I self published
the novel, you know, just to get an ISBN number
and have it as a as a real thing. And
it's good, it's funny, it's okay, and I really like it.
Nothing happened for another fifteen years, and now another outfit

(46:10):
has read it, and I said, this would make a beautiful,
like six part, six part series kind of thing, and
can you can you can you turn the novel back
into a script? Oh my goodness, for a six part thing.

(46:32):
And so that's where we're at right now. And I'm
meeting with you know, remotely, with writers and we're now
turning it into a six part thing. And do you
think I'm holding my breath that this is ever going

(46:55):
to go anywhere?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
But listen, why why can't you just ask the tartlet cards.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I can't read my own tarot cards. I lie to
myself all the time.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Why don't you get somebody you know to read your
tarot cards who doesn't know what you've got on the burners?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Well, you know, I would trust you reading my tarot card.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Oh my god, don't do that, my friend.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I trust trust you at this point.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Oh, there's my phone ringing If it's my wife, I'm
not here, okay.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
At this point, you know, I'm just amused by the
whole thing, and I've really enjoyed the creative juices that
are flowing again. And so I'm just gonna let the cosmos,

(47:53):
let the cards fall where they may on it.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
So the next step is meeting with these or collaborate
with these other writers to get let me see the
script that the movie script that was turned into a
novel from a novel back to a six part series.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I wish you luck, my friend. Hold on, I've got
a deck of cards. Here, hold on, I'm shuffling, And yes,
I always do play with a full deck no matter what.
My wife says. Yeah, you're going to get it, my friend,
that's what the cards are pointing out.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Well, I'm so relieved. See.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Well, now you and I will both have a fit.
If it does work.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Absolutely you will be invited to the premiere.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I'll hold you to that, my friend. Yeah, my wife
and I'll watch it on Netflix and I'll say I
told him that was going on happen all right.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, but it's going We'll have you as a character.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
The six foot five Captain Kangaroo. Okay, you've got classes,
magical classes that are going to be starting in Sacramento.
Tell us about that.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yes, for forty six years, I think in Coasta Mesa, California,
we had a weekly magic class just in our home
in Coasta Mesa and every Monday night if I was
in the country. I did travel a lot in those years,

(49:40):
but we just open our house to anyone who could
behave themselves for two hours, the magicians or just interested parties.
And we had room for about, you know, twelve fifteen people,
and sometimes we had eight and sometimes we had twenty five.
But uh, it was it was an organic thing that

(50:05):
sort of developed a very warm and interactive family of magicians,
and in our life it was a golden golden age
of It's like having a wonderful extended family. And we
were just heartbroken when we moved to Sacramento because we

(50:28):
didn't have that. For the first two years, a pandemic
was not allowing us to do that. And now we're
just finally we decided to start it up again. And
so I, you know, I put the word out and

(50:50):
with you know, hoping, well, I hope we can get
five or six people. Well, we we've only room for
about eleven in our living room, and so it filled
up immediately. And oh it'll it'll get smaller as soon

(51:10):
as they as soon as they find out that it's
no fun.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Oh come on now, I'll come on. You and I
have fun every time we meet for an hour.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yes we do.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, what do the magicians or what do you teach
in these classes?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I'm teaching a Nochian magic for the first four classes,
sort of an introduction to Nochian magic, and the textbook
would be based on my book and Nokian vision magic.
But I want us to actually do it and not
just talk about it. So we're going to kick it
right off by doing Anochian vision magic session, and I'm

(51:55):
giving everybody a sort of poster board cut cutouts stuff
so they can start to make their own own equipment,
and uh, giving everything they need to go home. You know,
after we do a group magical scrying session, they can

(52:16):
go home and do it, you know what they're supposed
to do with it in private meditations. And so it's
a it's truly a hands on let's let's talk about
it Noki and magic, but let's let's just jump right
in and do it and prove to yourself that you

(52:37):
can live through it.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Lon. As always, whenever I have the privilege of talking two,
time goes by so fast. First of all, congratulations on
all that you've done. And I look forward to seeing
your your movie on Netflix or on the big screen.
And I'll say to my wife, there he is. I
told him that's what happened. I told him, yeah, because

(53:00):
of you, that's right, mind. You you could be calling
me up in a couple of years saying, well, screwball.
Now we know why you're in radio because you're a
lousy at reading cards. Don Loan, thank you so much
for joining us tonight. My best to your family, and
I look forward to the next time you and I
meet here in the X Zone.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Me too.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Take care, my friend, x O Nation. If you'd like
to find out more about our guest this hour, Lawnmelow Duquette,
visit his Facebook page Facebook, Forward Slash now, Facebook dot com,
Forward Slash Lawn dot Duquette. That's l O E dot
d u q u E T t E. I'll be

(53:40):
back on the other side of this short break as
our number two of the XON starts right now.
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