October 4, 2025 • 54 mins
Marc D'Antonio has a degree in Astronomy and is the Mutual UFO Network’s (MUFON) Chief Photo/Video Analyst, host of SkyTour Radio on KGRA, and host and creator and CEO of the popular SkyTour LiveStream with Marc Dantonio, a group of LIVE deep sky Telescope observatories on YouTube where people can go on clear nights to see the Universe LIVE in real time in seconds courtesy of the SkyTour LiveStream Remote Observatories and their research telescopes. Marc is also the CEO of FX Models, a model making and visual/special effects company specializing in digital and physical models, and organic visual effects in the film industry. Marc has an extensive work history in television, discussing and investigating extraterrestrial life, appearing regularly on several networks and television series/shows on such networks as History, Discovery, Discovery Plus, Netflix, TLC and more. Currently he regularly appears on History Channel’s The Proof is Out There as their photo and video analyst.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All hnry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now here's your host, Rob occonnell.
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names have all changed since you hung around, but those
dreams have remained and they've turned around.
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We got him on SPAT.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Welcome and welcome back to our two of tonight show
here in the Xcelle with youre Shirley Rob McConnell. We're
coming to you from our broadcast center and studio since
Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada on the XON Broadcast Network and
your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelve
twenty dot CA. And once again we'd like to welcome
our newest affiliate in Midland, Michigan, w VEX one oh
(01:29):
five point three FM x O Nation. My guess this
hour is Mark Dantonio and anybody who has watched anything
on TV where there needs to be an analysis done
of something in the sky, Well, you're all familiar with
Mark's work. He has a degree in astronomy and is
the mutual of UFO Network's chief photo video analyst, host
(01:53):
of sky Tour Radio on KGRA, and hosting creator and
CEO of the popular sky Tour live stream with Mark Dantonio,
our group of live deep sky telescopes and observatories on
YouTube where people can go on clear Nights to see
the universe live in real time in seconds courtesy of
(02:13):
sky Tour live Stream, remote observatories and their research telescopes.
Mark is also the CEO of FX Models, a model
making and visual special effects company specializing in digital and
physical models and organic visual effects in the film industry.
Mark has an extensive work history and television discussing the
(02:34):
discussing and investigating extraterrestrial life, appearing regularly on several networks
in television shows such as History, Discovery, Discovery Plus, Netflix,
TLC and more. Joining us tonight is Mark D'Antonio and
Mark Welcome back to the X and it's been some time.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Wow, Rob, thank you for that introduction. That's very kind.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Oh, it's always a pleasure. Mark. I'm a big fan
of your work.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Well, thank you, sir, Mark, how very much.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
How did you get involved in the ufouap investigation side.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You know, that's a story, but I'll try to keep
it short. But the bottom line is when I was nine,
I had like a missing time event time.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I was on a school trip.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I think it was third grade or so, and we
went out to this pond. I remember getting off the
bus with my bag lunch. I remember getting back on
the bus with my bag lunch, and I asked the
kids when are we go into the pond and they
said we were there all day, you idiot, and there
slapped me around, like kids do.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
I came home.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
And my mother said, why didn't you eat your lunch?
And I said, I don't know. I was all messed
up with the time, and she said, go out and
play and I'll call you for dinner.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So I went out in the empty lot next to
the house and I collapsed and I started having seizures
and went through these convulsions and convulsive episode. They called
the ambulance. They were transporting me to the hospital and
I was whacking my head on the ground. Distinctly remember
whacking my head on the ground, and the doctor saw
the big knot in the front of my head from
whacking my head on the ground during these seizures and said, oh,
(04:06):
he must have had a convulsion or a concussion, so
just take him home and observe he'll be fine. And
so it never happened again. I don't know what the
missing time was all about, but that night, I literally
when I got back from the hospital, they wouldn't let
me sleep right away. So I went outside with my telescope,
(04:27):
you know, and I was in the driveway looking up
at the stars and thinking, man, you know, these stars
look really different to me. I mean, coming from a
hospital having an effect like that, my brain was all scrambled, probably,
So I looked at the sky and I just started thinking,
at age nine, I want to know more about the sky.
I want to know more about the stars. And I made
(04:49):
a decision there and then that I was going to
be an astronomer. And I never changed rob I just
I never wavered. I went into oceanography a little bit while,
and then I ended up going into astronomy and finished
my degree in astronomy. I just had to, and I
just felt there had to be more out of than
just us, even at age nine. That's where I was
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going with this, and that wild is crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It is yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
So I ended up you know, joining Moufon at age eleven,
I believe it. It was back then it was called
the Midwest ufhone Network. It wasn't called Mutual ufone network,
and it was run by a guy named Walter Andris
and I knew him as a guy with dark hair
because he had dark hair when I was eleven, and
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so wall signed my little field investigator card and I
was a field investigator for move On.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Wow. That was so cool.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
So bottom line is I basically stayed with Moufon since
I was eleven years old, and I ended up you know,
doing more investigations. And then in two thousand and eight,
the director of move On, the international record move On
said Mark, we'd like you to be our our international
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photo and video chief.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Am I really, Wow? Sure I'll do that.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
So I've been the chief photo and video analyst for
since two thousand and eight, now, for all these years.
So it's interesting, Rob is you know when people think
about doing analysis and video analysis, you know, they think
of astronomers as stuff shirts who are just gonna you know,
pooh pooh the idea. They think everybody's you know, gonna
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just look at it like these these folks that you
see on TV. They're astrophysicists that have the limelight, and
they say things like, well, I don't know, I don't
think there's any aliens here, right, But the fact is
I'm not one of those. I actually have had experiences
where I think maybe something did affect me personally, and
I think that there's other things out there that may
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have affected other people. I do not accept everything I see.
In fact, people call me a debunker sometimes, but the
fact is no, I feel that I have to be
hard on the data because everyone that follows behind me
is going to want to get the best analysis of
a video or a photo that they could possibly get.
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And if the answer comes up with, well, you might
think it's UFO, but it could also be this, you know,
a mundane thing. Most people don't want to hear that, Rob,
They don't want to hear it's a mundane thing.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I get that, But honestly, if you don't present that
to them, yeah, I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Them a disservice, aren't I?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You sure are?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
So that's kind of what my philosophy is. You know,
I'm really hard on the data. I believe that there
are alien creatures here. In fact, I've been doing a
lecture around the country lately. In fact, I'll be doing
it at Contact in the desert, which where I go
through the physics at a lay person's level of how
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they can actually be here. And I don't mean through
generationship where you know it's multiple generations.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I don't mean that.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
I mean through dimensional travel that's actually in the realm
of physics that we don't quite have our hands on yet,
but is out there, you know. And even overseas at
CERN with a large hadron collider, they've actually got a
detector they just put up in the in the large
hadron collider called Atlas, and this detector in part is
(08:26):
looking for the particles that could take us interstellar. They
don't know if they exist yet, but they've got the
attention of CERN.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
So what's that tell you?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
The truth is out there?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Man?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah? Have you yourself ever had a UFO sighting?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yeah, I've had.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well it's kind of weird to say, but you know,
science people, you know that doesn't happen to me, right,
So what do you do when it does?
Speaker 5 (08:52):
A UFO sighting not.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Truly identifiable UFO sighting. However, I have had a situation
that required me to have a surgical procedure done to
remove something that was jammed up in my sinus by.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
A weird creature.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Yeah, And there's a record of it, and it's a
record that the records are in Hartford Hospital in Connecticut.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I don't hide any of this stuff. This is all
out there a public record.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
It just doesn't get traction because it relates to that
abduction thing that people don't usually want to talk about.
But I had something shoved up there over three nights.
That's a long story about, just give you the last bit.
This thing was in the room and it approached me
and I saw a long gray hand with what looked
(09:36):
like a think of a big pen glowing white with
a little point on the end, and that was shoved
up into my left nostril and it hurt like the
dickens man. And I must have fought, because the next
thing I know, it was morning. I was laying on
my stomach on the pillow, face down into my pillow
and I couldn't breathe. And I couldn't breathe because I
(09:59):
was trying to inhale something liquid and I push off
and it was my blood and I was like, whoa,
what the heck happened? And my face felt like I
like I get been punched and kicked my left nostril.
Nothing was swollen, but it was hurting way up inside
and from that point forward I couldn't breathe out of
my left nostril. And so, when you have something that
(10:23):
terrifying happened to you, and again, as I said, it
happened over three nights. Okay with I guess it's a
preparatory or something like that. But over three nights, when
you have something that terrifying happened, what do you do
when you wake up in the morning. The first thing
you do you get out of bed and you take
a shower and go to work like nothing happened.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
And that's what I did. I had no idea, you know.
When I went to work, I was thinking, well, it's
no big deal. And every time I thought that it
was a.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Big deal, remembering the events that led up to it,
it was sort of pushed out of my mind. Nah nah,
I don't even think, nah, no, nothing to worry about. Right,
you've heard these stories before, Rob, You know, when people
see things right, They all of a sudden, you know,
they they suddenly feel like they just need to kind
of distance themselves from it and leave it behind.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
It wasn't a big deal, so how I think of that.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
However, over the years, what I've seen, Mark is because
of the work that you and other members move on do,
getting the stories out there, investigating, giving the investigation of
a UFO or UAP credibility. I think a lot of
people have come forward to share their experiences, whether it's
an alien abduction, whether it's an alien implant, whether it's
(11:40):
a CE one two, three, four five. Yes, and I
think that the more work that people like you and
other field investigators out there do, the closer that we
will be coming to disclosure. Because as the evidence piles up,
there's enough evidence in my in my book to win
(12:02):
a case in court based on the ponderance of evidence
that UFOs are real. However, in order to satisfy the
thirst of a lot of people out there, the evidence
has to keep on being gathered. And the more evidence
that's being gathered, the more people who are willing to
accept that UFOs are real, that the et presence is
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here and now, and that people are being abducted by aliens.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know, I agree with that, Rob, And and one
other thing that's really important to understand is that the
only thing that stands between us and them is their technology.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yeah, okay, and so we have to pierce that veil.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
And some of this more future physics stuff that I
talk about is how we're going to do it. And
I was on a nuclear submarine as a not for
just for one one embark.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I hate, I hate to interrupt you, my friend, but
I've got to take my break, so please stand by
x Oonation. I guess this hour is Mark D'Antonio. We're
talking about everything from astronomy to UFOs and the mutual
UFO network, and Mark and I will return as we
continue here in the Xcell with Hereustrali Rob mcconnolly special
guest Mark D'Antonio from our broadcast center and studios in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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on the x OON Broadcast Network and your hometown radio
Classic twelve twenty streaming Classic twelve twenty dot can.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's no good you go back in time?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Go what?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But we welcome to.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
S stop.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Mark D'Antonio is my special guest this hour and mark
what would be the best website for people to visit
to get more information about you and and.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
What you do.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Well, actually, you know the place they can go.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
We have a nonprofit organization called sky too her live
stream and this is our This is people's free ticket
to the Universe. We bring people to universe live in
real time, and they can reach us at skytourlive dot org.
And that's that will take them to our live stream
(15:04):
on YouTube, which is called skyto a live stream. It'll
take them to a variety of places that they can
join us on our Patreon if they want to, and
they can see the samples of what they're gonna get.
We Actually, I'm really surprised at how well this has
worked over the last few years.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I really am. It's sort of exploded and I never
expected it to.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So that's Skytourlive dot com, right or.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, we have that, and we also have skytroolive dot org.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Okay, all right, before we went to the break, you
were just starting to tell us about being on a
nuclear sub.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, that was Casey. Because my other business, the visual
effects business, it's also a model making business. I do
a lot of model work for the Navy. In fact,
for a long long time. I've been doing special projects
for them for decades, so.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
As a we'll call it a thank you. They said,
would you like to go for a trip on a
nuclear or something? I said, who's going to say no
to that?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Exact?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yeah, of course I will.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
So what people don't realize is that when the sublieves
the poor, it's on the surface for much of the trip.
When it gets out into the open ocean like the
North Atlantic, then they'll submerge and stuff. So for a
long time you're rocking and rolling on the surface in
something with no windows. So being a land lubber and
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not really a sea person without sea legs, I got
really seasick, but I didn't get really I didn't like
expel anything. I was just trying not to do that
because I was supposed to have dinner with the captain
later on, and I just was not going to get
sick in the captain's wardrobe.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Oh it was making me. I was really stressed by it.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
So I went to the person that passedes the doctor
on the boat, a kid a lot younger than me,
and he gave me a patch on the side of
my neck, and I said, well, that's weird. I've never
seen that before, and it's because the Navy got the
scopelmine patch along before you did. Okay, and I guess
I was one of the I guess the guinea pigs,
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so to speak. Well, it started to work, but it
kind of made me a little off kilter and tired
a little bit. So I sat down in the sonar shack.
There's a roof, there's a just off to the if
you're facing the front of the boat, just off to
the right side, there's four consoles for sonar, and the
sonar station one was active and a kid was sitting
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there doing it, but sonar stations two, three, four were
inactive at that moment. So I sat down next to him.
And when the boat dove, it feels like you feel
right now, everyone listening if they're just feeling nothing, there's
no movement.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Every now and then you feel a little shutter through
your feet as the boat passes through a different temperature
of water, a thermal cline as it's called, And if
it does that, that's the only indication you're moving. So
it's really kind of nice. So I was leaning back
just falling asleep, rob and just sitting there trying to
get my stomach back, and all of a sudden, the
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kid just to my right on the sonar yells out
consoonar consnar, fast mover, fast mover, and they jolt a wake. Thinking,
oh my gosh, it's a torpedo. I'm gonna die out here.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Why did I agree to go on this trip? I
was literally panic. I got in a cold sweat immediately.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
And the executive officer just sort of comes around and
says to the sonar guy, what do you got. I
was like, I'm thinking a little more urgency, buddy. I mean,
he's got a torpedo or something.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
But so the kid was facing away from me, looking
up at the XO who was kind of leaning over
and looking down at him, and he told him the
bearing in the range, and then when the EXO said
what about to speed, the kid turned back to the console.
I don't know exactly what he did, but then he
turned back to the XHO and he had his hands
out to his sides and said nothing. And immediately and
(19:02):
he said several hundred knots, sir, and he had his
hands out like I don't know what to do with this. Now,
the thing people have to understand about sonar guys on
a bow is they have to be able to classify
every single thing, everything from a whale fart to jellyfish mating. Okay,
they know there's a characteristic sound to all of that, right,
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and so they they have to be able to classify it.
This was completely outside this kid's experience, and so he
had his hands out like, I don't know what to do,
and the XO he kind of snickered and he goes, okay,
log it and dog it, and the kid pulled his
arms in and said, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
He went right back to work.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Now, I'm a big shot, right Rob, I'm a big shot.
They invited me to go on this ride. Hey, so
I can get answers man, because I'm like a very
important guy. I'm a VIP. I think you see where
this is going. So I get up and I go
up to the x X so, sir, I'm very familiar
with these fast movers. Is there anything I can help with?
And he says, D'Antonio, right, sur yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Are you having a good trip so far? Sur yes, sir,
Let's keep it that way, Oh dear God.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Yeah, So I went, okay, I'll just wait over here.
Now my sea sickness gone with the adrenaline rush. I mean,
it just blew that right out of my system. So
now I could not wait to get back because I
want to research these fast movers, and I tried looking
up a few things. I actually, you know, back then,
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you know, we didn't have the mature internet that we
have now, and so I had to struggle to find
some details.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
But I did. Four years after that, have to do
a job for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
So I had to do a project up here in
my model shop, and it was one I couldn't talk about,
so I had to drive it down myself. So I
sat with the chief, one of the chiefs, very very
important guy, a true VIP, and in my mind I'm saying,
don't ask, don't ask.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
No, no, no, don't ask that question. And the words
were already coming out, what can you tell me about
the fast mover program? They go, what am I doing?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I'm ruining my entire reputation And he looked at me
and he kind of nodded and he goes, I'm sorry, Mark,
And I can't talk about that program. And by telling
me nothing, Rob, he told me everything.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
It exists, man. So, and the Navy's job.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Is to observe and report, and the reason is because
there's no hope of them catching them, and they've not
shown any aggressive tendencies toward our boats at this point,
whether surface ships or submarine boats, they haven't shown shown
any kind of aggression. So it's an observant report regimen
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right now.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You know, Mark, in your work as the video photo
analyst for move On, did what was your analysis of
the tic TAC.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Actually I did a white paper on the tic TAC,
the gimbal and the go fast and in my view,
ThEC you know, as much as people are making out
about it, it wasn't conclusive to me in any way.
And in fact, by knowing how the at flaerpod works
on that F eighteen hornet, you know it tracks. Now
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that the plane is facing one direction, and then you've
got this pod on the left side or the plane
or the right, and it's it's looking toward the front.
You would think, well, I actually can turn to the
left and to the right to look at the target
and track a target. So the plane doesn't have to
be facing directly at it.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That's what this did. So it was looking at this.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Thing, and then as it moved more out of the
range of that sensor, the sensor, you know, the camera
recentered looking forward, giving the illusion that it sped off
at a high speed, But it was just a camera
turning away from it. And so because you could see
in the background of the tic TAC, you could see
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other modeling in the sky with video process saying that
shows the modeling went with it. So it was definitely
a camera moving artifact.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
So it wasn't conclusive to me.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
And I know that there's things that are here, and
I know from fravers explanations and grushes explanations and graves,
I know that there's other stuff out there. I just
don't think that was it, And that's probably why I
got released.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
In your opinion, Mark, why hasn't there been disclosure yet?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I you know, that's a good question.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
You know, when I talk to friends like Richard Dolan,
you know, we talk about that, you know, we talk
about other things. I talked about disclosure with a lot
of people, and I think that we have to look
at the big picture. The big picture is the US
government has admitted they exist.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Have they ever? No, Have they ever ever?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Had a congressional hearing where three people, one an air
Force pilot, another one aerospace had another want a CIA
guy uh said that we have alien bodies and know
not each of them, but you know collectively they said,
we have alien bodies. There's crash sites, many of them
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in the double digits.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
And we've reversed engineering technology blah blah blah. That's never happened.
You know, it's never happened. And when Grush said, hey,
I can't talk about that in an open hearing, but
you know, if we go into a private hearing, I
can show you data and then possibly they'll go into
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a skiff and show classified materials.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
But that's you got to think about that. That's pretty
open and you know, for the government to admit that.
So and keep in mind about this rock here's one.
We used to call them UFOs. Why are we calling
them UAP?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Hmmm.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Well, UAP is a brand new term and the government
had the chance to brand it. So it means they
took it away from the UFO tinfoil hat crowd.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And made UAP.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Same thing, same phenomena, but they called it UAP so
that they had control over the narrative instead of the
news networks who say when every time they do a
UFO story, they blow up a green alien, you know,
and stick it on their desk.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I mean, so they don't do that with UAP, do they.
They treat it seriously. So I think that was a
successful rebranding of the UFO phenomena.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Mark's done by you and I have to take our
break at the bottom of the hour and exanation. Mark
d' antonio is our special guest www dot Skytour Live
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(25:50):
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Speaker 2 (26:35):
Okaway, thank you, welcome to.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Same stop, Sun goes down, sil good day, cord alone,
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Welcome to the Milky Way.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You and me, baby, we.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Could thank you something I do.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It's the right time of the.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
The start to making over, It's the right time of
the n making.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No use talking, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Why this is our number two? And uh, I guess
this hour is Mark Antonio his websites skytourlive dot com
and skytourlive dot org. Mark. Before we went to the break,
we had just kind of finished talking about the congressional
hearing and David Grush. But when I was watching it,
I was under the impression that David Grush did not
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see any of the evidence himself, that all the information
that he was presented to Congress was from other people
who had the experiences or had the sighting who or
who had the knowledge. The fact that he's the one
who set everything to Congress, does that take anything away
from the credibility of the information that he gave to Congress.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I was very critical of that too, Rob And one
of the things that I thought of was, Okay, Grush said,
as you said, he didn't touch or know any In fact,
he even said I didn't know anything at all about
UFOs until they came to me to discuss this. So
that lends creens to my theory that Grush was actually
tapped to release this information. It's not like he was
(28:59):
a whistle blower per se. A whistleblower does things against
the wishes of the authority party, and he wasn't that guy.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
He was tapped to do it. He was doing what
he was told to do. And so this is when you.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Asked that question about will we see disclosure? You've got
to wonder why would they tap Grush? Which is again
what I really think they did to do this stuff. Now,
he talked to people, Yes, he interviewed people, sure, and
he got information absolutely from the people that claim they
saw these things. Now, not everything that he says is
(29:37):
stuff that I necessarily buy into. But I know that
if he is speaking behind classified closed doors to people
about classified programs and then making it known to us,
that's very good. He mentioned only one investigator that's out
in the public sector during his talk was when he
(30:00):
did his talk on Tucker Carlson, all right, And so
clearly he has knowledge from behind the closed doors, from
behind that gauntlet of secrecy, and he's been given permission
to talk about it to a certain level.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
That's I think why he was so giddy.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
He was so giddy, and you know, yes, I know
he's autistic and he's on the spectrum, he said so,
but he was also very giddy and talking like he
could do no wrong, and he couldn't because.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
He was given the script.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
He was told what he could say, and then he
did his research, being a very very efficient and good officer,
and he did his research and found these things, cleared
it all with his bosses, and they said, okay, you
can talk about probably I'm imagining they can talk about this, this, this,
and this, but not this, this and this, and so
he said okay, and then he released that the Congress
(30:53):
and talked about it live, and I thought it was
actually very interesting because it. It's not what the disclosure
We all want, yes, because you want them to roll
up with the body and say, look at this body
we got. But in reality, when you say, if there's
a body, let me see it, there's a problem because
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how do we get that body. The way we got
that body is through a classified technology. And so when
they say, and that's having the body is not the
classified bit. The methodology by which we obtained it is
the classified bit. And that's the thing that can't be
spoken about in an open session of Congress.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
You see, do you think that other countries around the world,
like Russia, China, Japan, Great Britain, Canada are all facing
the same issues when it comes to the UAP scenario
and how they are going to work with it in
order to at one day release the information to the public.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Well, if you're running a country, do you want to
release a high tech technology to the public, No, you
want it for yourself. So the US is doing what
China is doing, what Russia is doing, and that is
trying to get as much of this information and much
of this technology as they can so they can reverse
engineer and use it themselves. Russia is doing the same
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thing I've actually heard rumors about Russian programs, right, I
don't know if they're true. Rumors about Chinese programs, don't
know if they're true. But you know, we all know
about the rumors.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Of our own programs because we're here.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
We hear stuff. Because we're within our country. Stuff leaks out.
China is notoriously secret, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
But if we're looking at trying to discredit one country,
for example, if Russia wanted to discredit the United States,
all they need to do is say, listen, here's a
crashed UFO. We've had this for so many years. We
know what happened in Roswell, we know what happened at
Level End and the other crash sites. Wouldn't that discredit
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the integrity and the honesty of the United States government
with the people of the United States, And wouldn't that
be a political political gain for Russia over the United States?
Speaker 5 (33:12):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
I think if they said that, they would be legitimizing
everything that people here have been saying, and the people
here would be saying, see, I knew it. I knew
that aliens were visiting this planet.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
I knew this.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And then of course America would come out and say well,
yes it has and here's what we know too, and
it would all come out. So maybe disclosure will come
from overseas, Rob, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Using the technology that you have at your disposal, do
you do you think that you would be able to
discover anything different when it comes to some of the
older cases like let's see Kenneth Arnold's sighting or you know,
information or footage from Roswell, New Mexico, you know, or the.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
SoCoRo or Aztec crashes.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah, modern technology is not gonna I don't believe really
help us with past information unless we can get a
hold of written documentation. And the person to go to
for that is David Marlar and Albuquerque or Rio Rancho.
David Marler is probably my good friend and probably the
premier historian on UFO cases, and he would know best
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which documents still have to be deciphered.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
And maybe there's technology that can do that. I know
there is.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I actually use some on some of my investigations to
deep blur for instance, photos and documents so they can
be read. So that's about the limit. But moving forward, Rob,
you know what the thing is. I look forward because
I think they're still here. I think they're still deep
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in our oceans. They go where we are not, and
we are not deep in our oceans. I think they're
down there. And the technology that I think they use,
that I've been lecturing about, is technology that would allow
them to be there unimpeded by the weight of the
water over their heads. Okay, and they'd be able to
shift back and forth, you know, and move around the sky.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
They don't even have propulsion. How about that? All they
do is dimensionally shift, and it's it's it's a.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Probable technology that exists within string theory, and string theory
has yet to be proven. Michio Kaku would agree with
me that that string theory is yet to be proven,
but it kind of is the only game in town
with certain things in the universe. So that said, I
believe that once we get a better handle on string theory,
(35:43):
then variations of string theory, including this one particular one
that I'm talking about and I talk about, is the
one that would generate the capability for us to go
interstellar in very short order. Now give an example from
here to Alpha Centauri four point three light years Okay,
all right, that means light took four point three years
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to get here.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
That's a huge distance. Okay, that's twenty five plus trillion miles.
So how do we do that in a short amount
of time.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Well, we could use the al Kubia warp drive, which
Miguelo Kuberri came up within nineteen ninety four. And if
we could generate one of those, using the huge vast
amounts of energy required to do it, we could get
there in five days minimal minimally and say, wow, five days,
that's incredible. Over the ten thousand years it would normally
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take us to do that at the fastest speed we
can go now. But using this other dimensional shift technology
that is living within string theory, well that would reduce
the time to twenty minutes. Because the universe is not
anymore a discrete set of a distance between A and
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B anymore. It's just A and it's just B.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
And we skipped the A to B line. We skipped
all of that. We just pop out from A and
pop in at B.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
So I know that sounds cryptic, but that is the
nature of the technology that I'm discussing here, and I'll
be talking about that at contact as well.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
When it comes to reverse engineering. That are those who
believe that that reverse engineering from UFOs has in fact
been accomplished. My question is, if reverse engineering has been accomplished,
why are we still using the type of propellants that
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we're using to get our rockets into space instead of
the instead of the reversed engineering that comes from UFOs.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Well, the truth is to that, and I think that's
actually a very good question because the answer may not
be immediately obvious. I think that we don't use that
advanced technology because we can't quite reach it yet. See
now we're not quite there now. As I said, if
we can do this dimensional shift technology, it was like, hey,
(38:10):
look what we can do.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
We can't.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
We can't generate the particles that would take us into
this other dimension that would allow us to do this
fast travel routine.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
You know, it's not wormholes.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
This is not what people would call the Einstein rosen
Bridge possibility.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
This is not that at all.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
You know, it's not using black holes or anything like that.
This is a dimensional shift. It's not a warp drive.
A warp drive takes you through the same space you're in.
You've got to avoid things along the way. This you
just have to avoid things at your destination that you're
popping into. And this process is something that even if
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we reverse engineered it, we would have to generate the
reactor that would be able to generate these particles, and
that reactor, incidentally, would be a fusion reactor. And Lawrence
Littlemore created a sustained fusion reaction a couple.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Of years ago. That's great, and it wasn't well reaction.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
It gave more energy back than that you put in,
and that's typically what you want with fusion. Like the sun,
you know, it fuses hydrogen into helium right by pressing
everything together. Well, that releases a ton of energy. But
we are at the point where we can press things together,
but we're putting a lot of energy into do it.
We haven't reached that break even point yet or even
(39:31):
that post break even more we get more energy out
than we put in. So but Lawrence Littlemore did manage
to get a sustained reaction. That's a milestone. That's a first,
and having a sustained reaction is very important. And then
once you have a sustained reaction, then the idea of
doing it over and over and over again to get
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more energy out than you put in that's next.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
So we're we're ways from.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That, all right.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Please stand by, Marco and I have to take our
final break and explanation. If you'd like to find out
or about Mark, check out Skytour Life dot com or
Skytour Live dot org, and of course check out the
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Or changes? Earth changes, Earth.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Changes and welcome back? When that was Michael Horn, who
is the North American media representative for the Billy Meyer Society,
and his and titled Earth Changes. And we've played that
a number of times this week and last because that's
our way of trying to celebrate with you the exhonation
the changes that have to be made in order to
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keep this planet alive. And we've rejuvenated, and it takes
it takes all of us to do it. It's not
one person's job, it's not one country's job. We all
have to work together in doing this and accomplishing it.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
So to.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Michael Hornon, thanks Michael for allowing us to use that
song whenever we wish. My guest this hour is Mark
D'Antonio and check out Skytour Live dot com and Skytour
live dot org. First of all, Mark, always a great
pleasure of talking to you, and thanks for all you
and the rest of the people that move on do
and trying to put all the puzzle pieces to this
(43:51):
big jeeksaw puzzle that that you guys have been doing
for so many years.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
So thank you.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
From the ex oonation.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Well, thanks man, and you've keep doing what you do
Rob because you're a blowtorch to guess the word out there.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
So it's great, thank you sir.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
But in your opinion, what has been the smoking gun
when it comes to video that you have video or
photographs that have been submitted to you that beyond a
shadow about a doubt, this is a legitimate UFO or UAP.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Now, well, there's it's been difficult because ninety nine point
eight percent of all the videos and photos we see
are ordinary objects captured in extraordinary ways. But that doesn't
mean that there's nothing out there. Again, like I told
you earlier, all that stands between us is their technology.
So we have observations, for instance, of UFOs that seem
(44:48):
to shimmer and change color and then vanish from the sky,
you know, and that process I can, as an astronomer
tell you, well, that's called atmosph scintillation. You know, something
that the horizon will do that. But what about if
it's high off the horizon, what if it's thirty degrees
forty degrees up?
Speaker 5 (45:08):
And then what you can't call it that anymore?
Speaker 6 (45:11):
And a night's still night. So we have to qualify
what people see by examining the conditions under which they
saw it. And one of the videos I did see,
not recently, I've known about it for years is won
by a guy named Nick Mariano. And Nick Mariano, I
(45:33):
think he's passed on. But this is from nineteen fifty one,
I believe. I know that's a long time ago, but
this particular footage, and I'll tell you why I'm not
going down TikTok and go fast and gimbal and that
yet okay, But Nick Mariano's footage is truly unknown because
he was with his daughter at a ball field, I
(45:54):
forget a stadium or some kind, and he just happened
to pick up his camera and was panning when he
caught sight of these objects in the sky. And there
were two bright objects moving extremely fast and you could
only see the light from them. You couldn't see anything else.
And they were beyond the light towers that were in
the stadium that you could really see very clearly, and
(46:18):
they just moved right past seeing and it was a
three second video, that's all. But to me, that one
says true unknown because we didn't have anything in the
sky that that could have been at that time in
that direction.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Are you getting more UFO reports now that drones are
so so readily available to anybody?
Speaker 5 (46:39):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
I mean I even have a fleet of them here,
and I have one outfitted to be an infrared drones
so I could go looking for lost children and things
like that, okay, And I have one that's outfitted to
carry a full sized camera.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
It's a big hexacopter.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
You know.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
They're very useful.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
I understand that the prison systems are having on their
problem with drones as well.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, drones delivering illicit goods. I mean, hey, you know
if you're gonna try it, I mean, and look at
what's going on in Ukraine right the Ukrainians are using
Kamikazi drones to wipe out you know, tank tank battalions
and it's working.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
How do you see the advancement of artificial intelligence being
used or being abused when it comes to UFO sightings?
Speaker 5 (47:29):
Both it can be used and abused, and it's going
to be both. And I know that. Give you an example.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
I get photographs from people and they show the original
photograph hech this fuzzy dash of black on the image,
and then they say, and we put it through an
AI program to sharpen it up, and the next image
you see is of a actual UFO that's made out
of that elongated, fuzzy black thing. Now, what I try
(47:58):
to point out to people is you're not going to
get any more detail out of a photo than was
in the original photo. If it's fuzzy, elongated and black
and you zoom in on it, it's going to be large, fuzzy,
elongated in black. You're not gonna be able to find
detail in there that's just not there. AI is inventing
the detail and putting it in where it thinks it
(48:20):
should go.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
So I got so many photos like that. You're wrong, Mark,
You're wrong. Look, this is the detail. You can see
the rivets.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Do you really think that camera could pick up the
ribbts from one hundred and fifty two hundred feet away
and five hundred feet away?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
And you really think that a UFO would have rivets exactly?
Speaker 5 (48:38):
You know?
Speaker 6 (48:40):
And they do this all the time. They use this
AI and every time I see it on Facebook or
other social media, I just throw in a little indicator there.
It just says a little post that says, you can't
get any more detail out of a photo than was
there originally, and this is way more detail.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
It's been fabricated.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I remember all the photos and the videos that came
out when people started really using CGI. So it seems
that they they've up from CGI to AI.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah. In fact, the CGI revolution was how I became
the chief photo and video analyst for move On because
there was a drone, not in the classic sense we
know drones now, but some object moving over Tahoe called
the Tahoe drone. That's how it was billed as.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
And you saw this object moving over her, over this location,
and they were aiming up at the camera. Wow, incredible
looks phenomenal, yes, but.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
It was all wrong.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
Because to be a physical to be a photo and
video analysis analyst, you've got to be an astronomer. You've
got to have extensive photographic knowledge. You've got to know
how cameras work. You have to understand how the earth works.
You have to understand the atmosphere, right, and again let's
go to the ocean. You have to understand how the
ocean works, how the currents work. Why to be a
photo and video analyst because you have to be able
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to account for all all the different types of conditions
you may find in a particular image. So when this
Taho drone they take a picture of it, they're photographing it,
and you can see the bottom nice and clear, and
right around the outside of it you see blue sky.
But wait, that would be in deep shadow. So the
camera would overexpose the drone so you could see the
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bottom clearly, and that would make the sky white around it.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Little things like that. The hoaxers never bothered to even
think about, and that's why they were blown out of
the water. So that was the end of that.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
My last question for you, Marcus, because time's going by
really fast, is what was your what is your opinion
based on any analysis that you have done on the
Phoenix lights.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Yeah, you know, Lin Katie is a good friend and
I sat with her for hours and hours and hours
and she showed me all kinds of information and to date,
the Phoenix lights that people think about is that little
video clip of that little strand of lights on a
slight angle in the sky that was actually a flare
drop done later, all right, and people have confused that
(51:12):
with you know, the actual Phoenix lights. The real Phoenix
lights incident rob happened all across Arizona with many, many
many witnesses who saw this object crossing across Arizona. So
my opinion is that something did happen, but my my
finding has been that no one actually caught images of it.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
So if remember he shares me correct, the big push
was on the Phoenix lights, the flare drop, and not
the mass sighting that was you know, reported all across
the state of Arizona. Was this something that was deliberately
played down by the media.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
You know what, I don't really know the answer to that.
I mean, I don't know why the media wouldn't jump
on it. It makes for good news, it makes for
you know, you know, they can blow up their little
plastic aliens to put them on their desk and have
fun with it. You know, it would be the kind
of thing they would do. So I think that because
there were so many people that saw it that they
(52:11):
didn't really know where to go. There were people that
did announce and say, hey, we have been seeing these
things in our network here on the TV station. We've
seen these things all over the state. We've been receiving
reports from all over the state, and they have and
they did do that. But the thing that people want
to see is physical stuff. They want to see the videos.
They want to see pictures. You know, news is built
(52:34):
on pictures, photographs, videos. Yeah, you know, they're not built
on hearsay and witness testimony. Because we know as human
beings that no matter what we observe, Okay, humans are
the worst observers.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
They're not good.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Having been a former police officer, I agree with you
one hundred percent on that one. Mark. The time has
come when you and I must say so long. The
door is always open for you or anyone in move fun.
Just give me a call. We'll get you guys on
as soon as we can. Continued success. Thank you for
the great work that you do and I look forward
to the next time you and I meet her in
the X Zone.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (53:09):
Thanks, Robin, and hopefully people can check us out and
watch our nightly Universe live and real time videos.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
We'll do whatever we can.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
We'll do whatever we can to promote it. Mark, take
care of yourself, my Frion. And that's it for tonight Xponation.
I'll be back tomorrow night at ten o'clock is once
again we cross the time space continuum to this place
that I call the X Zone. It's a place for
people dare to believe and dare to be heard Monday
through Friday from ten pm until midnight right here on
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twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. So
until tomorrow night, when once again we meet, always remember
to keep your eyes to the sky, at your heart
to the light. Good night everyone, girl.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Closing time.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
One last call for out
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A mile so fetish,
All hnry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality.
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Now here's your host, Rob occonnell.
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Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Your dreams were your ticket. Uh, Welcome back to.
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That same old place that you laughed about. Well, the
names have all changed since you hung around, but those
dreams have remained and they've turned around.
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You have dottnja.
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Dot where we need jus.
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We got him on SPAT.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Welcome and welcome back to our two of tonight show
here in the Xcelle with youre Shirley Rob McConnell. We're
coming to you from our broadcast center and studio since
Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada on the XON Broadcast Network and
your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelve
twenty dot CA. And once again we'd like to welcome
our newest affiliate in Midland, Michigan, w VEX one oh
(01:29):
five point three FM x O Nation. My guess this
hour is Mark Dantonio and anybody who has watched anything
on TV where there needs to be an analysis done
of something in the sky, Well, you're all familiar with
Mark's work. He has a degree in astronomy and is
the mutual of UFO Network's chief photo video analyst, host
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of sky Tour Radio on KGRA, and hosting creator and
CEO of the popular sky Tour live stream with Mark Dantonio,
our group of live deep sky telescopes and observatories on
YouTube where people can go on clear Nights to see
the universe live in real time in seconds courtesy of
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sky Tour live Stream, remote observatories and their research telescopes.
Mark is also the CEO of FX Models, a model
making and visual special effects company specializing in digital and
physical models and organic visual effects in the film industry.
Mark has an extensive work history and television discussing the
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discussing and investigating extraterrestrial life, appearing regularly on several networks
in television shows such as History, Discovery, Discovery Plus, Netflix,
TLC and more. Joining us tonight is Mark D'Antonio and
Mark Welcome back to the X and it's been some time.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Wow, Rob, thank you for that introduction. That's very kind.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Oh, it's always a pleasure. Mark. I'm a big fan
of your work.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Well, thank you, sir, Mark, how very much.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
How did you get involved in the ufouap investigation side.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You know, that's a story, but I'll try to keep
it short. But the bottom line is when I was nine,
I had like a missing time event time.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I was on a school trip.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I think it was third grade or so, and we
went out to this pond. I remember getting off the
bus with my bag lunch. I remember getting back on
the bus with my bag lunch, and I asked the
kids when are we go into the pond and they
said we were there all day, you idiot, and there
slapped me around, like kids do.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
I came home.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
And my mother said, why didn't you eat your lunch?
And I said, I don't know. I was all messed
up with the time, and she said, go out and
play and I'll call you for dinner.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So I went out in the empty lot next to
the house and I collapsed and I started having seizures
and went through these convulsions and convulsive episode. They called
the ambulance. They were transporting me to the hospital and
I was whacking my head on the ground. Distinctly remember
whacking my head on the ground, and the doctor saw
the big knot in the front of my head from
whacking my head on the ground during these seizures and said, oh,
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he must have had a convulsion or a concussion, so
just take him home and observe he'll be fine. And
so it never happened again. I don't know what the
missing time was all about, but that night, I literally
when I got back from the hospital, they wouldn't let
me sleep right away. So I went outside with my telescope,
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you know, and I was in the driveway looking up
at the stars and thinking, man, you know, these stars
look really different to me. I mean, coming from a
hospital having an effect like that, my brain was all scrambled, probably,
So I looked at the sky and I just started thinking,
at age nine, I want to know more about the sky.
I want to know more about the stars. And I made
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a decision there and then that I was going to
be an astronomer. And I never changed rob I just
I never wavered. I went into oceanography a little bit while,
and then I ended up going into astronomy and finished
my degree in astronomy. I just had to, and I
just felt there had to be more out of than
just us, even at age nine. That's where I was
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going with this, and that wild is crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It is yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
So I ended up you know, joining Moufon at age eleven,
I believe it. It was back then it was called
the Midwest ufhone Network. It wasn't called Mutual ufone network,
and it was run by a guy named Walter Andris
and I knew him as a guy with dark hair
because he had dark hair when I was eleven, and
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so wall signed my little field investigator card and I
was a field investigator for move On.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Wow. That was so cool.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
So bottom line is I basically stayed with Moufon since
I was eleven years old, and I ended up you know,
doing more investigations. And then in two thousand and eight,
the director of move On, the international record move On
said Mark, we'd like you to be our our international
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photo and video chief.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Am I really, Wow? Sure I'll do that.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
So I've been the chief photo and video analyst for
since two thousand and eight, now, for all these years.
So it's interesting, Rob is you know when people think
about doing analysis and video analysis, you know, they think
of astronomers as stuff shirts who are just gonna you know,
pooh pooh the idea. They think everybody's you know, gonna
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just look at it like these these folks that you
see on TV. They're astrophysicists that have the limelight, and
they say things like, well, I don't know, I don't
think there's any aliens here, right, But the fact is
I'm not one of those. I actually have had experiences
where I think maybe something did affect me personally, and
I think that there's other things out there that may
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have affected other people. I do not accept everything I see.
In fact, people call me a debunker sometimes, but the
fact is no, I feel that I have to be
hard on the data because everyone that follows behind me
is going to want to get the best analysis of
a video or a photo that they could possibly get.
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And if the answer comes up with, well, you might
think it's UFO, but it could also be this, you know,
a mundane thing. Most people don't want to hear that, Rob,
They don't want to hear it's a mundane thing.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I get that, But honestly, if you don't present that
to them, yeah, I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Them a disservice, aren't I?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You sure are?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
So that's kind of what my philosophy is. You know,
I'm really hard on the data. I believe that there
are alien creatures here. In fact, I've been doing a
lecture around the country lately. In fact, I'll be doing
it at Contact in the desert, which where I go
through the physics at a lay person's level of how
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they can actually be here. And I don't mean through
generationship where you know it's multiple generations.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I don't mean that.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
I mean through dimensional travel that's actually in the realm
of physics that we don't quite have our hands on yet,
but is out there, you know. And even overseas at
CERN with a large hadron collider, they've actually got a
detector they just put up in the in the large
hadron collider called Atlas, and this detector in part is
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looking for the particles that could take us interstellar. They
don't know if they exist yet, but they've got the
attention of CERN.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
So what's that tell you?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
The truth is out there?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Man?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah? Have you yourself ever had a UFO sighting?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yeah, I've had.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well it's kind of weird to say, but you know,
science people, you know that doesn't happen to me, right,
So what do you do when it does?
Speaker 5 (08:52):
A UFO sighting not.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Truly identifiable UFO sighting. However, I have had a situation
that required me to have a surgical procedure done to
remove something that was jammed up in my sinus by.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
A weird creature.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Yeah, And there's a record of it, and it's a
record that the records are in Hartford Hospital in Connecticut.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I don't hide any of this stuff. This is all
out there a public record.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
It just doesn't get traction because it relates to that
abduction thing that people don't usually want to talk about.
But I had something shoved up there over three nights.
That's a long story about, just give you the last bit.
This thing was in the room and it approached me
and I saw a long gray hand with what looked
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like a think of a big pen glowing white with
a little point on the end, and that was shoved
up into my left nostril and it hurt like the
dickens man. And I must have fought, because the next
thing I know, it was morning. I was laying on
my stomach on the pillow, face down into my pillow
and I couldn't breathe. And I couldn't breathe because I
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was trying to inhale something liquid and I push off
and it was my blood and I was like, whoa,
what the heck happened? And my face felt like I
like I get been punched and kicked my left nostril.
Nothing was swollen, but it was hurting way up inside
and from that point forward I couldn't breathe out of
my left nostril. And so, when you have something that
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terrifying happened to you, and again, as I said, it
happened over three nights. Okay with I guess it's a
preparatory or something like that. But over three nights, when
you have something that terrifying happened, what do you do
when you wake up in the morning. The first thing
you do you get out of bed and you take
a shower and go to work like nothing happened.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
And that's what I did. I had no idea, you know.
When I went to work, I was thinking, well, it's
no big deal. And every time I thought that it
was a.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Big deal, remembering the events that led up to it,
it was sort of pushed out of my mind. Nah nah,
I don't even think, nah, no, nothing to worry about. Right,
you've heard these stories before, Rob, You know, when people
see things right, They all of a sudden, you know,
they they suddenly feel like they just need to kind
of distance themselves from it and leave it behind.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
It wasn't a big deal, so how I think of that.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
However, over the years, what I've seen, Mark is because
of the work that you and other members move on do,
getting the stories out there, investigating, giving the investigation of
a UFO or UAP credibility. I think a lot of
people have come forward to share their experiences, whether it's
an alien abduction, whether it's an alien implant, whether it's
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a CE one two, three, four five. Yes, and I
think that the more work that people like you and
other field investigators out there do, the closer that we
will be coming to disclosure. Because as the evidence piles up,
there's enough evidence in my in my book to win
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a case in court based on the ponderance of evidence
that UFOs are real. However, in order to satisfy the
thirst of a lot of people out there, the evidence
has to keep on being gathered. And the more evidence
that's being gathered, the more people who are willing to
accept that UFOs are real, that the et presence is
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here and now, and that people are being abducted by aliens.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know, I agree with that, Rob, And and one
other thing that's really important to understand is that the
only thing that stands between us and them is their technology.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yeah, okay, and so we have to pierce that veil.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
And some of this more future physics stuff that I
talk about is how we're going to do it. And
I was on a nuclear submarine as a not for
just for one one embark.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I hate, I hate to interrupt you, my friend, but
I've got to take my break, so please stand by
x Oonation. I guess this hour is Mark D'Antonio. We're
talking about everything from astronomy to UFOs and the mutual
UFO network, and Mark and I will return as we
continue here in the Xcell with Hereustrali Rob mcconnolly special
guest Mark D'Antonio from our broadcast center and studios in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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on the x OON Broadcast Network and your hometown radio
Classic twelve twenty streaming Classic twelve twenty dot can.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's no good you go back in time?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Go what?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But we welcome to.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
S stop.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Mark D'Antonio is my special guest this hour and mark
what would be the best website for people to visit
to get more information about you and and.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
What you do.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Well, actually, you know the place they can go.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
We have a nonprofit organization called sky too her live
stream and this is our This is people's free ticket
to the Universe. We bring people to universe live in
real time, and they can reach us at skytourlive dot org.
And that's that will take them to our live stream
(15:04):
on YouTube, which is called skyto a live stream. It'll
take them to a variety of places that they can
join us on our Patreon if they want to, and
they can see the samples of what they're gonna get.
We Actually, I'm really surprised at how well this has
worked over the last few years.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I really am. It's sort of exploded and I never
expected it to.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So that's Skytourlive dot com, right or.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, we have that, and we also have skytroolive dot org.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Okay, all right, before we went to the break, you
were just starting to tell us about being on a
nuclear sub.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, that was Casey. Because my other business, the visual
effects business, it's also a model making business. I do
a lot of model work for the Navy. In fact,
for a long long time. I've been doing special projects
for them for decades, so.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
As a we'll call it a thank you. They said,
would you like to go for a trip on a
nuclear or something? I said, who's going to say no
to that?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Exact?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yeah, of course I will.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
So what people don't realize is that when the sublieves
the poor, it's on the surface for much of the trip.
When it gets out into the open ocean like the
North Atlantic, then they'll submerge and stuff. So for a
long time you're rocking and rolling on the surface in
something with no windows. So being a land lubber and
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not really a sea person without sea legs, I got
really seasick, but I didn't get really I didn't like
expel anything. I was just trying not to do that
because I was supposed to have dinner with the captain
later on, and I just was not going to get
sick in the captain's wardrobe.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Oh it was making me. I was really stressed by it.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
So I went to the person that passedes the doctor
on the boat, a kid a lot younger than me,
and he gave me a patch on the side of
my neck, and I said, well, that's weird. I've never
seen that before, and it's because the Navy got the
scopelmine patch along before you did. Okay, and I guess
I was one of the I guess the guinea pigs,
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so to speak. Well, it started to work, but it
kind of made me a little off kilter and tired
a little bit. So I sat down in the sonar shack.
There's a roof, there's a just off to the if
you're facing the front of the boat, just off to
the right side, there's four consoles for sonar, and the
sonar station one was active and a kid was sitting
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there doing it, but sonar stations two, three, four were
inactive at that moment. So I sat down next to him.
And when the boat dove, it feels like you feel
right now, everyone listening if they're just feeling nothing, there's
no movement.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Every now and then you feel a little shutter through
your feet as the boat passes through a different temperature
of water, a thermal cline as it's called, And if
it does that, that's the only indication you're moving. So
it's really kind of nice. So I was leaning back
just falling asleep, rob and just sitting there trying to
get my stomach back, and all of a sudden, the
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kid just to my right on the sonar yells out
consoonar consnar, fast mover, fast mover, and they jolt a wake. Thinking,
oh my gosh, it's a torpedo. I'm gonna die out here.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Why did I agree to go on this trip? I
was literally panic. I got in a cold sweat immediately.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
And the executive officer just sort of comes around and
says to the sonar guy, what do you got. I
was like, I'm thinking a little more urgency, buddy. I mean,
he's got a torpedo or something.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I didn't know.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
But so the kid was facing away from me, looking
up at the XO who was kind of leaning over
and looking down at him, and he told him the
bearing in the range, and then when the EXO said
what about to speed, the kid turned back to the console.
I don't know exactly what he did, but then he
turned back to the XHO and he had his hands
out to his sides and said nothing. And immediately and
(19:02):
he said several hundred knots, sir, and he had his
hands out like I don't know what to do with this. Now,
the thing people have to understand about sonar guys on
a bow is they have to be able to classify
every single thing, everything from a whale fart to jellyfish mating. Okay,
they know there's a characteristic sound to all of that, right,
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and so they they have to be able to classify it.
This was completely outside this kid's experience, and so he
had his hands out like, I don't know what to do,
and the XO he kind of snickered and he goes, okay,
log it and dog it, and the kid pulled his
arms in and said, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
He went right back to work.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Now, I'm a big shot, right Rob, I'm a big shot.
They invited me to go on this ride. Hey, so
I can get answers man, because I'm like a very
important guy. I'm a VIP. I think you see where
this is going. So I get up and I go
up to the x X so, sir, I'm very familiar
with these fast movers. Is there anything I can help with?
And he says, D'Antonio, right, sur yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Are you having a good trip so far? Sur yes, sir,
Let's keep it that way, Oh dear God.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Yeah, So I went, okay, I'll just wait over here.
Now my sea sickness gone with the adrenaline rush. I mean,
it just blew that right out of my system. So
now I could not wait to get back because I
want to research these fast movers, and I tried looking
up a few things. I actually, you know, back then,
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you know, we didn't have the mature internet that we
have now, and so I had to struggle to find
some details.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
But I did. Four years after that, have to do
a job for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
So I had to do a project up here in
my model shop, and it was one I couldn't talk about,
so I had to drive it down myself. So I
sat with the chief, one of the chiefs, very very
important guy, a true VIP, and in my mind I'm saying,
don't ask, don't ask.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
No, no, no, don't ask that question. And the words
were already coming out, what can you tell me about
the fast mover program? They go, what am I doing?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I'm ruining my entire reputation And he looked at me
and he kind of nodded and he goes, I'm sorry, Mark,
And I can't talk about that program. And by telling
me nothing, Rob, he told me everything.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
It exists, man. So, and the Navy's job.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Is to observe and report, and the reason is because
there's no hope of them catching them, and they've not
shown any aggressive tendencies toward our boats at this point,
whether surface ships or submarine boats, they haven't shown shown
any kind of aggression. So it's an observant report regimen
(21:44):
right now.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You know, Mark, in your work as the video photo
analyst for move On, did what was your analysis of
the tic TAC.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Actually I did a white paper on the tic TAC,
the gimbal and the go fast and in my view,
ThEC you know, as much as people are making out
about it, it wasn't conclusive to me in any way.
And in fact, by knowing how the at flaerpod works
on that F eighteen hornet, you know it tracks. Now
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that the plane is facing one direction, and then you've
got this pod on the left side or the plane
or the right, and it's it's looking toward the front.
You would think, well, I actually can turn to the
left and to the right to look at the target
and track a target. So the plane doesn't have to
be facing directly at it.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That's what this did. So it was looking at this.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Thing, and then as it moved more out of the
range of that sensor, the sensor, you know, the camera
recentered looking forward, giving the illusion that it sped off
at a high speed, But it was just a camera
turning away from it. And so because you could see
in the background of the tic TAC, you could see
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other modeling in the sky with video process saying that
shows the modeling went with it. So it was definitely
a camera moving artifact.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
So it wasn't conclusive to me.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
And I know that there's things that are here, and
I know from fravers explanations and grushes explanations and graves,
I know that there's other stuff out there. I just
don't think that was it, And that's probably why I
got released.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
In your opinion, Mark, why hasn't there been disclosure yet?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I you know, that's a good question.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
You know, when I talk to friends like Richard Dolan,
you know, we talk about that, you know, we talk
about other things. I talked about disclosure with a lot
of people, and I think that we have to look
at the big picture. The big picture is the US
government has admitted they exist.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Have they ever? No, Have they ever ever?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Had a congressional hearing where three people, one an air
Force pilot, another one aerospace had another want a CIA
guy uh said that we have alien bodies and know
not each of them, but you know collectively they said,
we have alien bodies. There's crash sites, many of them
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in the double digits.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
And we've reversed engineering technology blah blah blah. That's never happened.
You know, it's never happened. And when Grush said, hey,
I can't talk about that in an open hearing, but
you know, if we go into a private hearing, I
can show you data and then possibly they'll go into
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a skiff and show classified materials.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
But that's you got to think about that. That's pretty
open and you know, for the government to admit that.
So and keep in mind about this rock here's one.
We used to call them UFOs. Why are we calling
them UAP?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Hmmm.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Well, UAP is a brand new term and the government
had the chance to brand it. So it means they
took it away from the UFO tinfoil hat crowd.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And made UAP.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Same thing, same phenomena, but they called it UAP so
that they had control over the narrative instead of the
news networks who say when every time they do a
UFO story, they blow up a green alien, you know,
and stick it on their desk.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I mean, so they don't do that with UAP, do they.
They treat it seriously. So I think that was a
successful rebranding of the UFO phenomena.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Mark's done by you and I have to take our
break at the bottom of the hour and exanation. Mark
d' antonio is our special guest www dot Skytour Live
dot com or skytour Live dot org. And Mark is
going to be one of the speakers at Contact in
the Desert that is coming up in May. I believe
it's May thirtieth, and if you'd like to contact him
(25:50):
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(26:10):
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we continue talking about UFOs, UAPs, photo analysis, and much more.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Okaway, thank you, welcome to.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Same stop, Sun goes down, sil good day, cord alone,
(27:17):
Welcome to the Milky Way.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You and me, baby, we.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Could thank you something I do.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It's the right time of the.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
The start to making over, It's the right time of
the n making.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No use talking, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Why this is our number two? And uh, I guess
this hour is Mark Antonio his websites skytourlive dot com
and skytourlive dot org. Mark. Before we went to the break,
we had just kind of finished talking about the congressional
hearing and David Grush. But when I was watching it,
I was under the impression that David Grush did not
(28:15):
see any of the evidence himself, that all the information
that he was presented to Congress was from other people
who had the experiences or had the sighting who or
who had the knowledge. The fact that he's the one
who set everything to Congress, does that take anything away
from the credibility of the information that he gave to Congress.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I was very critical of that too, Rob And one
of the things that I thought of was, Okay, Grush said,
as you said, he didn't touch or know any In fact,
he even said I didn't know anything at all about
UFOs until they came to me to discuss this. So
that lends creens to my theory that Grush was actually
tapped to release this information. It's not like he was
(28:59):
a whistle blower per se. A whistleblower does things against
the wishes of the authority party, and he wasn't that guy.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
He was tapped to do it. He was doing what
he was told to do. And so this is when you.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Asked that question about will we see disclosure? You've got
to wonder why would they tap Grush? Which is again
what I really think they did to do this stuff. Now,
he talked to people, Yes, he interviewed people, sure, and
he got information absolutely from the people that claim they
saw these things. Now, not everything that he says is
(29:37):
stuff that I necessarily buy into. But I know that
if he is speaking behind classified closed doors to people
about classified programs and then making it known to us,
that's very good. He mentioned only one investigator that's out
in the public sector during his talk was when he
(30:00):
did his talk on Tucker Carlson, all right, And so
clearly he has knowledge from behind the closed doors, from
behind that gauntlet of secrecy, and he's been given permission
to talk about it to a certain level.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
That's I think why he was so giddy.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
He was so giddy, and you know, yes, I know
he's autistic and he's on the spectrum, he said so,
but he was also very giddy and talking like he
could do no wrong, and he couldn't because.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
He was given the script.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
He was told what he could say, and then he
did his research, being a very very efficient and good officer,
and he did his research and found these things, cleared
it all with his bosses, and they said, okay, you
can talk about probably I'm imagining they can talk about this, this, this,
and this, but not this, this and this, and so
he said okay, and then he released that the Congress
(30:53):
and talked about it live, and I thought it was
actually very interesting because it. It's not what the disclosure
We all want, yes, because you want them to roll
up with the body and say, look at this body
we got. But in reality, when you say, if there's
a body, let me see it, there's a problem because
(31:14):
how do we get that body. The way we got
that body is through a classified technology. And so when
they say, and that's having the body is not the
classified bit. The methodology by which we obtained it is
the classified bit. And that's the thing that can't be
spoken about in an open session of Congress.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
You see, do you think that other countries around the world,
like Russia, China, Japan, Great Britain, Canada are all facing
the same issues when it comes to the UAP scenario
and how they are going to work with it in
order to at one day release the information to the public.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Well, if you're running a country, do you want to
release a high tech technology to the public, No, you
want it for yourself. So the US is doing what
China is doing, what Russia is doing, and that is
trying to get as much of this information and much
of this technology as they can so they can reverse
engineer and use it themselves. Russia is doing the same
(32:21):
thing I've actually heard rumors about Russian programs, right, I
don't know if they're true. Rumors about Chinese programs, don't
know if they're true. But you know, we all know
about the rumors.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Of our own programs because we're here.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
We hear stuff. Because we're within our country. Stuff leaks out.
China is notoriously secret, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
But if we're looking at trying to discredit one country,
for example, if Russia wanted to discredit the United States,
all they need to do is say, listen, here's a
crashed UFO. We've had this for so many years. We
know what happened in Roswell, we know what happened at
Level End and the other crash sites. Wouldn't that discredit
(33:02):
the integrity and the honesty of the United States government
with the people of the United States, And wouldn't that
be a political political gain for Russia over the United States?
Speaker 5 (33:12):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
I think if they said that, they would be legitimizing
everything that people here have been saying, and the people
here would be saying, see, I knew it. I knew
that aliens were visiting this planet.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
I knew this.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And then of course America would come out and say well,
yes it has and here's what we know too, and
it would all come out. So maybe disclosure will come
from overseas, Rob, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Using the technology that you have at your disposal, do
you do you think that you would be able to
discover anything different when it comes to some of the
older cases like let's see Kenneth Arnold's sighting or you know,
information or footage from Roswell, New Mexico, you know, or the.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
SoCoRo or Aztec crashes.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah, modern technology is not gonna I don't believe really
help us with past information unless we can get a
hold of written documentation. And the person to go to
for that is David Marlar and Albuquerque or Rio Rancho.
David Marler is probably my good friend and probably the
premier historian on UFO cases, and he would know best
(34:21):
which documents still have to be deciphered.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
And maybe there's technology that can do that. I know
there is.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I actually use some on some of my investigations to
deep blur for instance, photos and documents so they can
be read. So that's about the limit. But moving forward, Rob,
you know what the thing is. I look forward because
I think they're still here. I think they're still deep
(34:49):
in our oceans. They go where we are not, and
we are not deep in our oceans. I think they're
down there. And the technology that I think they use,
that I've been lecturing about, is technology that would allow
them to be there unimpeded by the weight of the
water over their heads. Okay, and they'd be able to
shift back and forth, you know, and move around the sky.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
They don't even have propulsion. How about that? All they
do is dimensionally shift, and it's it's it's a.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Probable technology that exists within string theory, and string theory
has yet to be proven. Michio Kaku would agree with
me that that string theory is yet to be proven,
but it kind of is the only game in town
with certain things in the universe. So that said, I
believe that once we get a better handle on string theory,
(35:43):
then variations of string theory, including this one particular one
that I'm talking about and I talk about, is the
one that would generate the capability for us to go
interstellar in very short order. Now give an example from
here to Alpha Centauri four point three light years Okay,
all right, that means light took four point three years
(36:05):
to get here.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
That's a huge distance. Okay, that's twenty five plus trillion miles.
So how do we do that in a short amount
of time.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Well, we could use the al Kubia warp drive, which
Miguelo Kuberri came up within nineteen ninety four. And if
we could generate one of those, using the huge vast
amounts of energy required to do it, we could get
there in five days minimal minimally and say, wow, five days,
that's incredible. Over the ten thousand years it would normally
(36:35):
take us to do that at the fastest speed we
can go now. But using this other dimensional shift technology
that is living within string theory, well that would reduce
the time to twenty minutes. Because the universe is not
anymore a discrete set of a distance between A and
(36:57):
B anymore. It's just A and it's just B.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
And we skipped the A to B line. We skipped
all of that. We just pop out from A and
pop in at B.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
So I know that sounds cryptic, but that is the
nature of the technology that I'm discussing here, and I'll
be talking about that at contact as well.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
When it comes to reverse engineering. That are those who
believe that that reverse engineering from UFOs has in fact
been accomplished. My question is, if reverse engineering has been accomplished,
why are we still using the type of propellants that
(37:40):
we're using to get our rockets into space instead of
the instead of the reversed engineering that comes from UFOs.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Well, the truth is to that, and I think that's
actually a very good question because the answer may not
be immediately obvious. I think that we don't use that
advanced technology because we can't quite reach it yet. See
now we're not quite there now. As I said, if
we can do this dimensional shift technology, it was like, hey,
(38:10):
look what we can do.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
We can't.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
We can't generate the particles that would take us into
this other dimension that would allow us to do this
fast travel routine.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
You know, it's not wormholes.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
This is not what people would call the Einstein rosen
Bridge possibility.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
This is not that at all.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
You know, it's not using black holes or anything like that.
This is a dimensional shift. It's not a warp drive.
A warp drive takes you through the same space you're in.
You've got to avoid things along the way. This you
just have to avoid things at your destination that you're
popping into. And this process is something that even if
(38:49):
we reverse engineered it, we would have to generate the
reactor that would be able to generate these particles, and
that reactor, incidentally, would be a fusion reactor. And Lawrence
Littlemore created a sustained fusion reaction a couple.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Of years ago. That's great, and it wasn't well reaction.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
It gave more energy back than that you put in,
and that's typically what you want with fusion. Like the sun,
you know, it fuses hydrogen into helium right by pressing
everything together. Well, that releases a ton of energy. But
we are at the point where we can press things together,
but we're putting a lot of energy into do it.
We haven't reached that break even point yet or even
(39:31):
that post break even more we get more energy out
than we put in. So but Lawrence Littlemore did manage
to get a sustained reaction. That's a milestone. That's a first,
and having a sustained reaction is very important. And then
once you have a sustained reaction, then the idea of
doing it over and over and over again to get
(39:51):
more energy out than you put in that's next.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
So we're we're ways from.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That, all right.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Please stand by, Marco and I have to take our
final break and explanation. If you'd like to find out
or about Mark, check out Skytour Life dot com or
Skytour Live dot org, and of course check out the
mutual UFO network website at www. Dot move On dot
com is a comma org. I forget Yeah the X
Zone with Here's Charlie, Rob McConnell my special guest, Mark Antonio.
(40:18):
We'll both be back as we wrap up this hour
and this edition of the X Zone from our broadcast
center and studios in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada.
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The Earth's gone, I'll be screaming.
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If it's like they said, then there's no use.
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big boer shifty, a whole lot more love and a
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Speaker 1 (42:21):
Earth changes and changes, and.
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So can we, for all of the changes are in you.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
And me with so much we love. Is it really
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Speaker 2 (42:40):
Or changes? Earth changes, Earth.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Changes and welcome back? When that was Michael Horn, who
is the North American media representative for the Billy Meyer Society,
and his and titled Earth Changes. And we've played that
a number of times this week and last because that's
our way of trying to celebrate with you the exhonation
the changes that have to be made in order to
(43:12):
keep this planet alive. And we've rejuvenated, and it takes
it takes all of us to do it. It's not
one person's job, it's not one country's job. We all
have to work together in doing this and accomplishing it.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
So to.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Michael Hornon, thanks Michael for allowing us to use that
song whenever we wish. My guest this hour is Mark
D'Antonio and check out Skytour Live dot com and Skytour
live dot org. First of all, Mark, always a great
pleasure of talking to you, and thanks for all you
and the rest of the people that move on do
and trying to put all the puzzle pieces to this
(43:51):
big jeeksaw puzzle that that you guys have been doing
for so many years.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
So thank you.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
From the ex oonation.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Well, thanks man, and you've keep doing what you do
Rob because you're a blowtorch to guess the word out there.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
So it's great, thank you sir.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
But in your opinion, what has been the smoking gun
when it comes to video that you have video or
photographs that have been submitted to you that beyond a
shadow about a doubt, this is a legitimate UFO or UAP.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Now, well, there's it's been difficult because ninety nine point
eight percent of all the videos and photos we see
are ordinary objects captured in extraordinary ways. But that doesn't
mean that there's nothing out there. Again, like I told
you earlier, all that stands between us is their technology.
So we have observations, for instance, of UFOs that seem
(44:48):
to shimmer and change color and then vanish from the sky,
you know, and that process I can, as an astronomer
tell you, well, that's called atmosph scintillation. You know, something
that the horizon will do that. But what about if
it's high off the horizon, what if it's thirty degrees
forty degrees up?
Speaker 5 (45:08):
And then what you can't call it that anymore?
Speaker 6 (45:11):
And a night's still night. So we have to qualify
what people see by examining the conditions under which they
saw it. And one of the videos I did see,
not recently, I've known about it for years is won
by a guy named Nick Mariano. And Nick Mariano, I
(45:33):
think he's passed on. But this is from nineteen fifty one,
I believe. I know that's a long time ago, but
this particular footage, and I'll tell you why I'm not
going down TikTok and go fast and gimbal and that
yet okay, But Nick Mariano's footage is truly unknown because
he was with his daughter at a ball field, I
(45:54):
forget a stadium or some kind, and he just happened
to pick up his camera and was panning when he
caught sight of these objects in the sky. And there
were two bright objects moving extremely fast and you could
only see the light from them. You couldn't see anything else.
And they were beyond the light towers that were in
the stadium that you could really see very clearly, and
(46:18):
they just moved right past seeing and it was a
three second video, that's all. But to me, that one
says true unknown because we didn't have anything in the
sky that that could have been at that time in
that direction.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Are you getting more UFO reports now that drones are
so so readily available to anybody?
Speaker 5 (46:39):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
I mean I even have a fleet of them here,
and I have one outfitted to be an infrared drones
so I could go looking for lost children and things
like that, okay, And I have one that's outfitted to
carry a full sized camera.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
It's a big hexacopter.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
You know.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
They're very useful.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
I understand that the prison systems are having on their
problem with drones as well.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, drones delivering illicit goods. I mean, hey, you know
if you're gonna try it, I mean, and look at
what's going on in Ukraine right the Ukrainians are using
Kamikazi drones to wipe out you know, tank tank battalions
and it's working.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
How do you see the advancement of artificial intelligence being
used or being abused when it comes to UFO sightings?
Speaker 5 (47:29):
Both it can be used and abused, and it's going
to be both. And I know that. Give you an example.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
I get photographs from people and they show the original
photograph hech this fuzzy dash of black on the image,
and then they say, and we put it through an
AI program to sharpen it up, and the next image
you see is of a actual UFO that's made out
of that elongated, fuzzy black thing. Now, what I try
(47:58):
to point out to people is you're not going to
get any more detail out of a photo than was
in the original photo. If it's fuzzy, elongated and black
and you zoom in on it, it's going to be large, fuzzy,
elongated in black. You're not gonna be able to find
detail in there that's just not there. AI is inventing
the detail and putting it in where it thinks it
(48:20):
should go.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
So I got so many photos like that. You're wrong, Mark,
You're wrong. Look, this is the detail. You can see
the rivets.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Do you really think that camera could pick up the
ribbts from one hundred and fifty two hundred feet away
and five hundred feet away?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
And you really think that a UFO would have rivets exactly?
Speaker 5 (48:38):
You know?
Speaker 6 (48:40):
And they do this all the time. They use this
AI and every time I see it on Facebook or
other social media, I just throw in a little indicator there.
It just says a little post that says, you can't
get any more detail out of a photo than was
there originally, and this is way more detail.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
It's been fabricated.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I remember all the photos and the videos that came
out when people started really using CGI. So it seems
that they they've up from CGI to AI.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah. In fact, the CGI revolution was how I became
the chief photo and video analyst for move On because
there was a drone, not in the classic sense we
know drones now, but some object moving over Tahoe called
the Tahoe drone. That's how it was billed as.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
And you saw this object moving over her, over this location,
and they were aiming up at the camera. Wow, incredible
looks phenomenal, yes, but.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
It was all wrong.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
Because to be a physical to be a photo and
video analysis analyst, you've got to be an astronomer. You've
got to have extensive photographic knowledge. You've got to know
how cameras work. You have to understand how the earth works.
You have to understand the atmosphere, right, and again let's
go to the ocean. You have to understand how the
ocean works, how the currents work. Why to be a
photo and video analyst because you have to be able
(49:58):
to account for all all the different types of conditions
you may find in a particular image. So when this
Taho drone they take a picture of it, they're photographing it,
and you can see the bottom nice and clear, and
right around the outside of it you see blue sky.
But wait, that would be in deep shadow. So the
camera would overexpose the drone so you could see the
(50:23):
bottom clearly, and that would make the sky white around it.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Little things like that. The hoaxers never bothered to even
think about, and that's why they were blown out of
the water. So that was the end of that.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
My last question for you, Marcus, because time's going by
really fast, is what was your what is your opinion
based on any analysis that you have done on the
Phoenix lights.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Yeah, you know, Lin Katie is a good friend and
I sat with her for hours and hours and hours
and she showed me all kinds of information and to date,
the Phoenix lights that people think about is that little
video clip of that little strand of lights on a
slight angle in the sky that was actually a flare
drop done later, all right, and people have confused that
(51:12):
with you know, the actual Phoenix lights. The real Phoenix
lights incident rob happened all across Arizona with many, many
many witnesses who saw this object crossing across Arizona. So
my opinion is that something did happen, but my my
finding has been that no one actually caught images of it.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
So if remember he shares me correct, the big push
was on the Phoenix lights, the flare drop, and not
the mass sighting that was you know, reported all across
the state of Arizona. Was this something that was deliberately
played down by the media.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
You know what, I don't really know the answer to that.
I mean, I don't know why the media wouldn't jump
on it. It makes for good news, it makes for
you know, you know, they can blow up their little
plastic aliens to put them on their desk and have
fun with it. You know, it would be the kind
of thing they would do. So I think that because
there were so many people that saw it that they
(52:11):
didn't really know where to go. There were people that
did announce and say, hey, we have been seeing these
things in our network here on the TV station. We've
seen these things all over the state. We've been receiving
reports from all over the state, and they have and
they did do that. But the thing that people want
to see is physical stuff. They want to see the videos.
They want to see pictures. You know, news is built
(52:34):
on pictures, photographs, videos. Yeah, you know, they're not built
on hearsay and witness testimony. Because we know as human
beings that no matter what we observe, Okay, humans are
the worst observers.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
They're not good.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Having been a former police officer, I agree with you
one hundred percent on that one. Mark. The time has
come when you and I must say so long. The
door is always open for you or anyone in move fun.
Just give me a call. We'll get you guys on
as soon as we can. Continued success. Thank you for
the great work that you do and I look forward
to the next time you and I meet her in
the X Zone.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (53:09):
Thanks, Robin, and hopefully people can check us out and
watch our nightly Universe live and real time videos.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
We'll do whatever we can.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
We'll do whatever we can to promote it. Mark, take
care of yourself, my Frion. And that's it for tonight Xponation.
I'll be back tomorrow night at ten o'clock is once
again we cross the time space continuum to this place
that I call the X Zone. It's a place for
people dare to believe and dare to be heard Monday
through Friday from ten pm until midnight right here on
the X Zone Broadcast Network and your hometown radio Classic
(53:40):
twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. So
until tomorrow night, when once again we meet, always remember
to keep your eyes to the sky, at your heart
to the light. Good night everyone, girl.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Closing time.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
One last call for out
Speaker 1 (54:00):
A mile so fetish,
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