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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All hnriyal.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the X Zone, a place where fact is
fiction and fiction is reality.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Now, here's your host, Rob McConnell.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know that it would be untrue.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You knew that I would be alive.
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If I was to say to a.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Girl we couldn't get.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And welcome back to our two of tonight's show here
in the X Zone from our broadcast center in studios
in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on the X Zone Broadcast
Network and your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty streaming at
Classic twelve twenty dot CA. My two guests this hour
are Mirk Munsey and Erica Lance. Mark specializes in folklore,
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history for tea and research, with an emphasis on Appalachia
and Flora, cryptids and legends let me see here. Erica
is an expert on witchcraft, true crime, and pulp culture.
Joining us now from where are you? Are You still
in North Carolina?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Yep, We're in western North Carolina right now. Good to
be back.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
R oh, good to have you with us in a
nice me to you for the first time.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Wonderful to me.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, Mark, what have you been up to since you
and I last talked? You're always so busy.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Well, we started a podcast. We started ear Each Travels,
which is on twice a week. We're on all the
major networks. And what we did was it was because
I had done Erie Appalachia, and I'd done the three
Florida books that Erica is like, you were on so
many shows and podcasts, why don't you do your freaking own? Yeah?
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So so, and then I was like, well that works
because Erica has run Drinking with Authors, another great podcast
for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes, so I talked Mark into doing the podcast. We
started that a little over a year ago and it's
been going strong. It's pretty wonderful.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And now we're working on books or back full circle.
We're doing books based on our travels for the podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now, when you say you're on different networks, are you
on radio networks or audio platforms?
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Audio platforms?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah, we are on YouTube and YouTube as well, so
like Spotify.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Apple, Amazon, okay, wherever your podcasts are list listed?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, okay, So, how well, let me see you've written
about Appalachia. We've talked to you on that, We've talked
to you about Arie as well, I believe in Florida.
So where have you been that's new.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Oh goodness, we're working on well, we're actually subdividing the
Appalachians because I did Appalachia while we were while I
was twenty twenty, and you know, the world was on lockdown,
so I got to talk to a lot of people.
But after it hit, I got so much more. We
got and now that we've started the podcast, we're getting
emails and calls from people all over it. As you
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know that you do. So now we've hit, we're really
focusing on Smoky Mountains right now, kind of right. That's
why we were more based out of here right now,
but we're also doing some stuff in the Northwest, the northeast,
a little bit everywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, we recently were we were up in the Wisconsin area,
that northern area for investigating things like the ho Dag,
which is a wonderful cryptid up there. So we went
on a little adventure that way, and then our next
big adventure is up towards Pennsylvania and looking at all
the wonderfully creepy places up in that direction and all
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the fun cryptids they have up there, like the squank,
which is a giant crying pig.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
A giant crying pig yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
One of the saddest cryptids you will ever hear about.
These hunters hear him crying this sad cry, and as
they go out they find little fig footprint, pig footprints,
and puddles of water from where he's cried oh so much,
except for then.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They never return. So there is a very dark side
to that particular cute crying cryptid.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now, people have been investigating cryptids, Bigfoot and all the
other cryptids over the years, and yet there's never been
a definitive find. How do we explain that.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Well, well, I think there have been a few findes
over the years, things that we've discovered that are things
like back when I was growing up, you know, in
the seventies, of the giant squid, the kraken was you know,
it was a myth, it was a legend, it was something,
you know, a sailor tail. Right now we've got cameras
finding them and so oh now it's just the thing.
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We no longer call it the krack and it's just
a colossal squid.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, I understand that. I understand that. But you know
that's because most of the time the cracking is underwater.
But if we're talking about Bigfoot, and we're talking about
other land based cryptids. How come nobody's got that all
conclusive smoking gun picture or any other proof.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I think there are there's a couple things, so there
is a few new emerging theories that get into whether
or not there is a degree of sort of dimensional
shifting and potentially extraterrestrial involvement with the appearance of Bigfoot.
But one thing that's very interesting is, and we've spoken
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to a few people who've done deep dives on dog Man,
which is another cryptid, is they believe that they eat
the corpses of their dead and that's why they're not found,
Meaning they don't want a dog Man because they travel
in packs, they don't leave the bodies, so it's not
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like a solitary creature that's out there. They actually do something,
and there's a lot of creatures in nature that do
this with the bodies.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Of their dead, like an elephant graveyard. It's just they
may take them someplace we don't know yet. Yeah, But
also I think a lot of this has to do
with that. This is I like we like to call
it preternatural stuff we don't understand yet. This is just
stuff that doesn't make sense to us. Yet. I mean,
look at look at space research, and you know, now
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we're learning about dark matter. We're just now figuring out
the science that makes it work. This is all stuff
you know. Years ago, when we you know, growing up
learning about this stuff, it was all, okay, we don't
we don't get it. Now we're starting to. I think
this is the same thing. I think cryptozoology is becoming
the study of something that might actually happen. But I'm
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more for preserving the folklore and the history of these things.
That's what we really like to get into. It's we'd love,
of course to find a bigfoot or a squonk or
a hoot agg, but I like getting into the folklore
behind them and preserving those tales well.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And also every time historically that something has been located
like this has talked a lot about in the history
of for instance, the Hodak, which is supposed to be
this giant serpent thing. What happened though, was when there
was a rumor of this and it was spotted, all
of these hunters appeared in this great thing, so to
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hunt this thing down in this area, and that like
routinely happens with a lot of these legends when they
did talk about finding them. So I think there's a
little bit of a danger too, I personally think in
finding some of these things, because then it suddenly becomes
we found them, we know how to find them. People
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are going to want to hunt them down because they
do that. And I think they're a pretty rare creature,
whatever it is. And I don't know that we necessarily want.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That, but we can look at the other side of
that coin and say, Okay, once we establish it is real,
then we could put into motion the means and measures
to protect it as a species.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
That's that's true, and that's what that's like. I said,
that's why we look into these things.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Again.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Some of these creatures we don't put together the sightings
right because they have different names, especially in these Appalachian
hills and stuff. The same creature can be seen five
different places less than ten miles apart, but because the
mountains are so rigorous, nobody they have five different names
for it, so that that same legendary creature we're talking
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about the hodag Europe. In Wisconsin along the Ohio Valley,
they had a creature called Misshipeshu or Missipichio, depending on
which tribe you talk to the underwater panther, and it
fits a lot of the same mythology, and some of
the pictograms of that creature are the same as the
descriptions of this lumberjack beast that the Lumberjacks called the
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ho dag. And that's then we find in the Ohio
Valley there's an effigy mound called Alligator Mound, And well,
why would the natives make up an effigy of an
alligator in the Ohio Valley? Not exactly fick with alligators.
But then you start looking at it with those pictograms
of Missionpi Shue, you look at the underwater panther, and
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suddenly you go, Okay, we call it alligator because that's
our word for it, but it was probably something else.
And if all these civilizations and this creature is cited,
like all over the eastern United States, all up and
down the Mississippi River, the Ohio Valley, we look into
things like the Crosswick Serpent and other sightings. These are
things over hundreds of years that all fit that same
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description when you really look at it. And that's what
I really love digging into.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now, Mark, what is your favorite cryptid oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, his favorite is one from where he grew up.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah, there was a family story that grew up in
eastern Kentucky. There's this wonderful creature called it sounds like
something out of South Park, right, it's the stupidest thing.
It's got the head of a man, the body of
a cow or a small or a big cat, and
it's got a wooden leg and so it's called the
bench leg and the bench leg of gobal Ridge. And
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it jumps from tree to tree and hits bad people
off their horses with its wooden leg, which is silly.
It's it's crazy. But that's the ones I love, or
the ones like that that don't make sense. But in
that area, you ask anybody about it, everybody has a
family member that has seen it at some point in
their lives. And these are families that never lie, that
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take they're very religious, they're very If you lie, it's
the end of the world. You know, you've committed a
dreadful sin. But I didn't see that, and I saw it,
you know, riding home one day. So there's there's got
to be some truth to these things.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Now, getting back to this creature that has a wooden
leg and just treat a tree and knocks people off
their horse. What do they do with cars?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You know, that is a good question because a lot
of it's interesting because we have a lot of truckers
and a lot of people train conductors and stuff like
that that rite into our show and tell us stories
about things they've seen and things that have jumped across
in front of them, and it's it's it's very interesting.
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But I also think like with this particular creature, it
has a whole historical thing that goes back, and apparently
what's interesting about this particular creature is it was a
creature that was brought forth for vengeance on its owner.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
All right, stand by, we've got to take our first
break here ex Oon Nation, our guest this hour, Mark
Munsey and Erica Lentz will be back with us on
the other side as we continue right here from our
broadcast center and studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, on
the ex Own Broadcast Network and your hometown radio Clock
twelve twenty streaming at Classic twelfth twenty dot. Don't go way,
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I'll be right back.
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Thea soda presels and beer. Now there's an idea for
after the show, Craig, what do you say? Ex O Nation.
Our guest to this hour Erica Mark Munsey and Erica Lance,
and we're talking about cryptids this hour. Have you guys
ever gone on a bigfoot hunt yourselves?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I have not because bugs No, just kidding, I have
not yet gone on a big foot hunt. We actually
are supposed to do one for the Eerie Travels show.
I think later this year. We're being invited to a
local place that is doing bigfoot hunts.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
For beginners North Carolina Bigfoot Adventures. We will be part
of that, but I have done quite a few. I
go out with. That's my job is a paranormal journalist
is what I like to call it, or a folklorist, okay,
is I go with bigfoot hunting teams, ghost hunting teams,
UFO hunting teams. I'm not actually on the hunt as
a hunter. I'm there to get their story and their experiences,
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and if we look out and gets a little something,
it's kind of fun. I've been on some hunts that
actually turned into a bigfoot hunt when we were hunting
something else. There was a thing in Florida where a family,
a couple of drug drivers actually had emailed us that
they'd seen what they thought was like a flying humanoid,
either a gargoyle or a mothman type creature in South Florida.
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And I was the only guy in the area, so
of course they all called me, and I went out
there with a guide. I got a bigfoot hunting guide
out there because I was like, Hey, I got to
go out to this campground that I don't know, I'm
going off the highway. I need a guide. And so
he and I go out there and we are out
there looking for this campground where another family had supposedly
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seen this thing. And on the way there we found
prints that were in the middle of nowhere, and there
was no way they could have been set up before
we got there. So he went to get his equipment.
I sat out in the woods of the swamp of
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the Mayaca Swamp for a little while while he went
and got casting stuff. So it turned into a big
but when I wasn't actually intending it to What.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Has been the strangest thing that you've come across as
you were doing your paranormal journalism?
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Oh gosh, there's been a few. Story wise, they've all
been weird. But we've got one that I think Eric
and I have been researching recently, and this is in
North Florida, and this is again a few drivers have
reported it to us. A dog man expert actually emailed
us about it first, saying, Hey, I saw something weird
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that crossed the road in front of me and I
don't know what it was, and you're the weird Florida guys,
you tell me. And then I shared it with our
listeners and Erica, and now we've got a few more
sightings of it. And it is a creature that looks
like it's made of vines or strange like a living
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plant almost, but in the shape of a horse, so
like a kelpie.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Like from Scottish floor they have kelpies which are supposed
to be fay berries. And this actually was seen by
the dog Man expert, but then it was also seen
by a train conductor and two people driving trucks emailed.
Before we ever said anything on the air about it.
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There was multiple because we don't tend to say unless
we've had an experience. We tend to not report on
something unless we have multiple experiences with it, because you know,
some some people maybe have a little too much to
drink and think they see things.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But isn't that what isn't that what folklore is all about.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
We've got code named it the Kudzu kelpie.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But isn't that what folklore is about. You've got all
these stories that have no proof, Like they're great stories
to tell out, you know, around the fire or at
the pub, but when fact comes to push, you know,
there's no proof you've got you But I.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Will say this is that when multiple people have a
very similar experience or like to Mark's, you know, bench
legged creature. You know, he heard that as a kid
and stuff and thought it was interesting until he ran
into other people who without him saying it went, oh, yeah, no,
there's this rumor of this thing and explaining it. So
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it's you get to I think stories being shared. It's
kind of like one of my favorites is the woman
in white. Right. You hear the woman in white and
usually people go, oh, that was Sally whose husband left,
or that was Beth whose kids, But there have been
women in white stories where it's a woman dark hair,
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usually wet near some sort of body of water, seen
walking in a white dress. And if you go back
and research this, which I did because we were doing
a Valentine's episode and I'm like, I'll do the woman
in white, and then I found out there are stories
dating back way before there were newspapers books. It was
just folklore from different areas including you know, Asia and
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stuff like that, where it talks about whatever this thing is.
So it's like, to me, that's not a ghost, that's
something else that has been prevailing in all of these areas.
And multiple people have seen this particular one. There's one
in Pennsylvania, a woman in white that runs people off
the road and there are documented accidents and in the
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accident reports is this woman wearing a white dress who
was wet jumped on my car and they run off
the road. So there's it is interesting. But we also
think that you know that whole theory that if you
also believe in something enough, there's topa's and you might
be bringing them into being it.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
See either that or you're on the way home from
the bar, which.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I can vote for. Either one of those things is
a whiskey fan. I'm good either way.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
In Appalachia, you know, there's a lot of strange stories
that have you know, been told over the years. Mark,
what's your favorite one?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Oh goodness, one of my absolute favorites is one we've
been working on recently for the new book. Uh and
that would be the legend of Spearfinger. And this is
this is a Cherokee legend that is dark and scary.
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It's everything you want in a legend. She's she's a
she's a shape changer. She's like the Dear Woman or
some of these other folklore you know, But are they folklore?
Because the Cherokee, that's their belief. This is just this
is what it is. It's not folklore. It's on mythology.
She's there and she will call, she will change shape
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either to a beautiful woman or an old woman, and
she'll call to the tribe or but usually a child,
and she'll pull them aside, and then she will she
kills them by stealing their liver, and she has a
very long pointed finger that she can stab so quickly
they don't even notice, and she'll lull them to sleep
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or luad them away, and then and sometimes she takes
their form and comes back into the tribe so she
can get the whole family. And she is so ingrained
into their culture that there's a great story about where
many different tribes banded together to hunt her and to
kill her, and they figured out she figured out how
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they did their harvest. She figured out all these things,
so they lured her into a trap they couldn't kill her.
It's just this amazing epic story. It's like Lord of
the Rings fantasy level when you read this, but then
you're realizing, no, to them, it's history. This is not fiction.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
This was And they have a story about how she
came into being because she was punished for sort of
crimes that she committed and then made a deal with
a demon, which is what incarnated her to be able
to stay on the earth. So it's it's very detailed.
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It's not just like this big shaggy thing walked out
of the woods, walk past my house and stole my apples.
Like it is very detailed. The origin story I should
seem like many superheroes, the origin story of this particular
preternatural being. But she's still seen today. And there are
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medical reports of people being found missing their livers. So
it's it's very weird and you just have to go
if you believe in something strong enough, how real is it?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Well, if there's medical records, have you seen these records.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
I've seen a couple of them. There's actually some police
reports recently. One is early at late as twenty seventeen
in Severeville, which is just over the Smoky Mountains and
near her old reported stomping grounds and there was a
young man who was went to the hospital, couldn't figure
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out what was wrong with him, and they had to
do testing and he was literally dying as they figured
out his liver is just gone, and they found a
small hole in the back in his back, and there's
we've got the medical report on that. It's it's crazy,
and that's you know, in the newspapers, so you can
find that. So was it spearfinger? I don't know. Is
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it just coincidence that there's a small hole in his
back and he died of a missing liver? What took
his liver? We don't know. How did he live seventeen
years without a liver if he didn't have one?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Exactly, it's spearfinger because at least it explains it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Okay, ah, seventeen years without a liver medically impositive.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
That's the only other option, right, I mean, you know,
it's not like there was surgery, scars or anything else.
It was a small opening on his back that would
you know? And that's of course everyone and says, oh,
it's you know, he was he was stabbed and he
was heard, and but there is no that was His
official cause of death is uh is a disease due
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to complications from a missing liver.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So strange is true?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yep, exactly, strange but true.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
All right, stand by, folks, you and I have to
take our final break and x O Nation and our
guests this hour, Mark Munsey and Erica Lance, we're talking
about cryptids. We're talking about myth, legend, folklore and much more.
And if you'd like to get some more information on
our guests this hour. Mark what's your website.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Eerie Travels dot com that has links to all.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Of our thumb excellent mark Erica and I will be
back on the other side of the short break, So whatever,
you don't go away. This is the X and I
am Rob McConnell coming to you from our broadcast enter
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Speaker 3 (28:08):
Look in. I was telling Mark and Erica during the
break that I don't think I'll go to the local
restaurants in mass livery and onions for a long time.
And let's say, you say, the waitress, excuse me, can
I see your finger? Please? Just sing our spear on there. No,
that's not why I was asking, I see your finger?
And you know, it brings a lot of a lot
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of strangeness to this world that we think is so
cut and dry. Mark, what other stories like that have
you and Erica investigated?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, you know, one of my favorite recent ones is
another one up this way, which is called the Boo Jump.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Is called the is called the what Boo Jum Boo Jump.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And it is a type of sasquatch or man of
the forest. But what was interesting about him is he
is quite famous for marrying a Cherokee woman that he
gave her huge gems to woo her. And so there's
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there's a lot of controversy around her going off from
her family to marry this bigfoot. But it gets even
more fun because how he came across these gems, you know,
was not mining or something like that, is bringing moonshine
to miners, and as he's getting them drunk, he takes
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their gems and puts them in the moonshine jars and
walks away with them.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well that that explains a lot, right there, moonshine exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I was like, most clever cryptid ever. It's one of
my favorites because it's not like he's like raw and
I'm going to break down this wall. He's like, you
know what I'm gonna do. I'm going to go get
these people drunk and I'm going to take their stuff like.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
And I'm gonna give it to the pretty lady and
she's gonna be my bride.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yes, I think that is life goals for cryptids everywhere.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, certainly not. Now, Mark, you did you did work
on the skuncape right? Oh?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Yeah. We worked with quite a number of skuncake hunters
over the years. Uh, We've done work with Stacy Brown
finding Bigfoot, Connor Flynn, David Sadoti of the independent Sesquas
Research team. I've been with a lot of big skuncake hunters.
That's that's the Florida Bigfoot for all of you. We
we can't have nice names for things down here. We
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got to give them dumb names.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, they do smell really bad, so they do that everywhere.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But yeah we named so do dogs after their wet Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Exactly any animal a little bit?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So are we any closer to understanding what the skunkcake
escape is?
Speaker 6 (30:53):
We're starting to realize that there are different ones. I
think we've got. There are those that believe that one
hundred percent it's a great eight that's just lost in
the Everglades. Right, it's a it's a specific type. It's
it's more orangutang. Look at it's like tan and lean
and and it you know, moves through the swamps down
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in the Everglades. But as you go a little further
north in Florida, the o'kala ones are a bit closer
to the classic sasquatch. Right. They're bigger, they're brown. They
they tend to hang out in those the woods in
that area. They throw rocks, which is classic like Pacific
Northwest style, and those I tend to agree might be
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a bit more normal. But then you've got the ones
in like the area I was in the with Lakuchi
State Forest, which is just south of Tampa Bay that area.
They're darker colored, They've got kind of like silver back
style markings, and they are the ones that just kind
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of vanish. They they disappear without a trace when you're
following them. So there's a little hinkiness yea with them.
And then there's even more in the panandle and stuff.
Skunkcap served that we think there's more to it than
our I think are Dave Sheeley, who runs the Skunkcape
headquarters down in the Everyglades. He's probably got some of
the best video footage I've ever seen one from the
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early two thousands. It's like, you know, people talk about
the Patterson Gimlet and all those that are, you know
a few seconds of footage. He's got almost like five
minutes of this thing running through a swamp, and I
don't think anybody gives that one is enough credit.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
What about the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot? What's your take on it?
Legit or hoax?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Man?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
That's it's Can we abstain from this stuff, I think.
I think honestly they got something there that cannot be
explained easily. But that said, there were people who came
out later said oh yeah, it was one hundred percent hoaxed.
I did it. But then those people got debunked. Yeah,
so I can't tell you. I mean, honestly, it's record.
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You know, it's the same year as the plan of
the Apes movie. All the major makeup artists are working
on that movie, and it looks nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Jury's still out.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
I think on that I always will be. Yeah, get
a time machine and go back there and see it ourselves.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Well, the jury is at the restaurant having liver on onions.
That's where the jury is. What about UFOs, Mark and Dereka,
anything fascinating or out of this world on those Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
No, it's it's very interesting that the whole pros we are.
Here's the thing is, if you watch the congressional thing
that happened, there was a lot of them actually giving
a lot of information interspersed between the phone calls being
answered and them going yeah, I can't answer that question,
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which is you know that to me it speaks volumes
because it's one thing if you don't know that didn't
have And it's a totally different thing when somebody goes
X y Z and you go, I can't answer that question.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
What My favorite part of that is when we talked
to actual active military people in the intelligence branches and
stuff that they won't go on record. It won't go
on record, and it's like, well, just tell us a
little something, and they're like, no, I can't say anything.
But then we talked to the naval pilot that actually
released the famous tic TAC video, the thing that started
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all this. We actually talked to her at a recent event. Yeah,
and afterwards we talked to a couple of people in
the intelligence community and they were like, yeah, she's credible.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
I'm like, but what does that mean it's real. They're like, no,
she's just credible. It's all I'm mining to say.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, she's credible. We won't answer your other questions. So
there is something out there. But you know, I have
a theory that we've talked about a little bit on
our show, which is this. You know, the men in
black say a person is smart, people are stupid. They
can't come out and go oh yeah, By the way,
we've been having UFOs come hear this, that and the other,
and we know it and stuff like that. Like, they
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couldn't do that because it would create mass hysteria and panic.
It's way past the point of being able to introduce this.
They sort of had their window back when More of
the Worlds was released. And so now, I you know,
whatever is going to come about which people keep seeing
things on planes and stuff, eventually something will come out
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about it. It's just we're we're eating popcorn and waiting
for it to come out like that.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
I think we're on a cusp on all this stuff.
I think disclosure is a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Oh, I'll bet your disclosure won't happen within the next
ten years.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
I don't I agree with you. I think we're looking
into twenty years down the line, if ever. Saying that
for since I was a kid, And yeah, yet we
have congressional hearings in the US about it, which I
didn't think would ever have my life in But then again,
they didn't.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Do anything exactly exactly. It was a waste of time.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Yeah, it was a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
You know, I understand that. You know, something I can't
understand is the oxymoron military intelligence, you know, because like
you were saying, well, if you know something to tell,
well we can't. Oh, she's credible and so on. It
makes no sense unless I have a theory on it
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that it's because of the sensitivity of the weaponry that
we have now we have to stay at least twenty
steps ahead of the people that aren't very friendly on
the other side of the world. And I believe that
these stories are made up and propagated by the military
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in order to misdirect what people are seeing. Yeah, yeah,
you know, like there's things that we need to know,
there's things that we don't need to know. And I
think a lot of times people investigate UFOs are very
close to crossing that line and they're going to they're
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causing more harm than the good.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well, I I we have a follower on our show
that would say the same exact thing. We have a
listener that sends us stories. But I think it's it's
one of those things where whatever will happen will not
be an announcement from the government. It will be.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Something that they can't deny, that they.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can't do a take e bacsion, which is a technical term.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
So when when we look at the big cases of
eupology over the last let's say twenty thirty years for Oswell,
what do you think happened there?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think that was a crash. I think a spaceship crashed.
I think there were bodies. I think they showed up,
and I think they took them away. And then when
it's not happening, but you don't, no.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Don't look over here, don't attention to the man behind
the curtain.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
But what about the possibility, what about the possibility of
it being a Project Mogul balloon?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
See, that's you know, that's there's always that. This is
one of those things when you start going down in UFOs.
That's why UFOs are even tougher to report on than
folklore and mythology and stuff like that, because there are
so many double blinds, there are so many things. We
are always, like you said, twenty years ahead of what
we know, and and we find that out because twenty
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years ago. Look, I remember the day in the eighties,
driving home one day and I'm like, oh my gosh,
the f sixteens are escorting a UFO over Tampa Bay.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is it. This is
the day they're going to announce we've made contact, and
it was the announcement of and showing off the first
time of the stealth bomber. It'd be too yeah, and
it's like, oh my gosh, that's that's you know, there
(38:52):
it is and that's looked like a UFO to me.
And that when you look back and say, well, that's
probably been in development for twenty plus years. Yeah, they
would probably test it back then. That would explain some
of the UFO sightings. I think now this what is
a TR three B, which is pretty much it's still classified,
but it's not classified because so many people talk about it.
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That's those black triangle crap that everybody sees, and they're
always seen around military bases, they're always seen around naval bases.
They're pretty much a joke that it's still a classified project.
But we think that might be the next gen UFOs
and that would explain a lot of sightings.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
All right, guys, please stand by. We've got to take
our final break for this hour. Next O Nation, Mark
Muncy and Eric Lancer special guest, and what's your website?
Speaker 6 (39:39):
One more time travels dot com.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
There you go, and we'll be back as we cap
off tonight's show here in the X Zone on let
me see this is no Craig, What day is it?
This is Thursday? Okay, this is Thursday show. All right,
there are you Thursday? He keeps changing his mind on me.
(40:02):
It's the liver he eats. It's got to be the liver.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
Oh yeah, better check it.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah. We'll be back on the other side as we
wrap up this hour here in the X one with
your STIRLI Rob McConnell from our broadcast center at studios
in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on your hometown radio Classic
twelve twenty and stream here Classic twelve twenty.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
Indian Chad Black Witch, the man Mons.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Got good morning all.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You're hello, twee Bob, twee, good morning, Eat up.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
My morning, singing song.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh my goodness. From liver to let Me See, to
White Lightning, to Bigfoot, to UFOs, to a lady who
spares out your your liver when you're not looking. These
are what the paranormal and folklore is made of, Marca.
One of your books, I believe is a third one,
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Tails of Hell. You Cemetery, what is that it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Yeah, that was what started at all I was running
a haunted attraction back in Tampa Bay. It was based
on local folklore and legends, and so it was it
was a haunted house, and instead of having a werewolf
jump out at you, I had the skunkcave jump out
at you. Now, most people going through the Hunter House
had no idea what these things were, but I love
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putting in local lore and legends and what we There
was a local lore in Tampa Bay of a thing
called mini Lights, and it was don't go out at night,
or many lights will get you. Or if you say
many lights three times, her gator boys will come steal you.
So I did a book that was basically the spooky
versions of those tales we had, you know, scared them
(42:53):
up even more for the Haunted House, and that's kind
of what started all this. Now Many Lights was one
of those we found out was actually another one of
those folk tales be careful, but it turned into something
that was even scarier, was a reality thing because what
it was was Beware of many Lights was actually the
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men with Lights because it was a alligator farm that
was stealing children on the south side of town and
would put them in to entertain the tourists in the
nineteen thirties, and they would throw them into the alligator
pit and let the kids be chased by alligators. So
beware of many lights, the gator boys will steal your children.
(43:36):
Was beware of the men with lights, the gator boys,
they will steal your children. And so that what took
me down this rabbit hole of folk floor and legends,
and some of them are based on things much worse
than a scary witch with gater children.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
What got you started in all of this mark.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
I gotta say it was the bench Lager. It was
the story I'd heard a hundred times as a kid.
It didn't make sense to me why I wanted to
hear ghost stories. I was out in the woods of
eastern Kentucky. I wanted to hear monsters in the hills,
and this is what they tell me about, this thing
with a cowbody with a wooden leg and the head
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of a man, and it doesn't make any sense. But
then late one night I saw something that didn't make
any sense. I saw some dark shape running through the
woods and it had a glowy, weird looking head. So
after that I was like, Okay, I'm a believer. I've
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got a story to tell around the campfires myself now
believing Yep, that turned it, Erica. What about you?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Mine was I grew up in Hollywood, California, when the
Nightstalker was killing people for lack of a better way,
which got me started down a path of looking into horror,
looking into pop culture, looking at the phenomenon of what
happens when you have a real life monster and how
that affects people, and then of course meeting Mark and
(45:11):
my own witchy and ghost experiences through my life. But
meeting Mark was it was fun, fun, kismet to go,
let's have a weird show together.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
What kind of which are you? Are you a practicing?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Which I would say now I dabble. I A friend
of mine said the other day, She's like, you're either
in or out, and I'm like, wow, that sounds very threatening.
But I do very much believe in magic. I do
believe a lot of it is based on intention. But
I have developed more and more, and you know, have
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my own different things, cinnamon out the door at the
first of the month, and you know, different luck coins
and a little superstitious, I guess at times. But it's
interesting because I think you put enough intention behind something,
it can be very true. And I've seen people that
have had bad experiences that have utilized different spells or
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spiritual tools like that to help protect them in those
kind of situations.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Did you belong to a coven?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
No? No, I do not belong to a coven. I
do have other witches that I know, So maybe we should.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Form me kind of a nice little support group on
our ear travels discord. That's like young Apple Eachian witches
and they're they're they're all supporting each other, you know,
just giving each other advice and tips on how to
handle situations and stuff. It's very cool to watch and
I love it, and they send us emails and questions
all the time to share with the listeners. It's it's
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it's part of our It's just part of our culture
now with the show.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
In your opinion, which country around the world has the
most folklores?
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Oh, it's I mean per square foot, I would say Scotland, Ireland.
But the fact that that's the same mountain range as
the Appalachians, it's just you know, it's been separated by
an ocean thanks to you know, the original brexit of Pangaea.
I think the fact that that same spirits and legends
(47:13):
are all the way down here. I think this area
has got so much it's here, But.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I'll tell you every culture has it if you go
there like there. You know, I visited South Africa, for instance,
and there they have a whole legend there about these
creatures that will kill you in the middle of the
night if you don't raise your bed on bricks. And
to this day, normal everyday people you'll meet go in there,
(47:40):
You go in their house, their bed is raised up
on bricks. Their normal, nice bed is raised up on bricks.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
It becomes tradition, it does.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
And so I think there's folklore everywhere. It's just is
it historical stories that are passed down from generation to generation,
or different creatures that people are seeing, like the little
people of Hawaii. I was there. There was an entire
and there's documentation on these people and when they were
driven into the island and kind of disappeared. It's it's
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I think it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
What do you think a lot of these legends would
look like or sound like if they were to happen
today with what we know about science, what we know
about quantum physics, what we know about theology and and
all the other ingredients that go into a good folklore.
Would the folklore survive the test of time if it
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happened today.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
I think it does. I think we see that happen
all the time. Look at but it becomes like a
meme almost, But then it become they evolved. Look at
what happened with the creepypasta phenomena of the early two thousands,
the early Internet. They make a website's like a Wikipedia
for monsters and legends. In fact, a lot of my
old pellview stuff got put up on that site. And
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these things like the not Deer and the slender Man phenomena,
these are things that were put up onto a website
that were made up as photoshops. They were made up,
as you know, just creative stories, drawings and right stories
on Reddit. And then the next thing you know, people
are seeing them, people are convinced that they've encountered them.
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Then there's videos, people are seeing videos of the not
Deer and people are experiencing them, and I think that
becomes modern folklore, modern legends. And we go back to
our Tulpa studies, which you know, where they decided to
invent a ghost and that sort of thing. Are we
inventing these things? Are we creating these folklore with our
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own beliefs, with just the power behind them. Could that
be happening?
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I don't know. I believe that a lot of the
folklore is were to give some semblance and to give
some order, you know. For example, well, let's talk about
the one where you were saying that they put the
beds up on bricks. That makes good sense in Africa,
because there's a lot of things that crawl on the
floors in Africa, So I can understand that. So is
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it possible that a lot of these folklores were intended
to to teach a lesson two people?
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, your finger goes back to the jerkey.
Don't trust strangers, don't trust you know, everybody. You know,
if you hear a voice in the woods, be careful.
It's not you know, it may not be a friend.
Don't just go running out there. And that's just because
somebody's asking for help doesn't mean they need it.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
That's this is all this is what all this comes
back to. It's it's don't go to you know, don't
go to that spooky house. Somebody died there. Well, yeah,
somebody was murdered in that house, you know, So that's
why it's the haunted house in town. Yeah. That that's
exactly how these things go.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
It's what about prehistoric it's the thing, what about prehistoric
animal sightings?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well, you know what's interesting about that is that we
have not explored nearly enough of this planet that we're on. Again,
I can make reference. I love this story of the
giant squid because I remember people were like, there's no
way a squid took down a boat. And now they
found the giant squid, and then they found an even
bigger version of the giant squid down below, and you
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kind of go huh okay.
Speaker 6 (51:26):
And that's some of these stories. There was a there's
a turtle, a giant turtle spotted in the nineteen thirties.
It's a folk tale that in Fort Myers area of Florida,
they escaped on a family escaped a hurricane riding on
the back of a prehistoric turtle. And it's like, all right,
well that doesn't make sense. But then in the sixties,
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the Navy goes on high alert in that same area,
Port Charlotte Harbor. They go on high alert because they
see a dark shape in the waters. They're convinced it's
a Russian sub and they go on alert and they
get out there. Divers say, wait, wait, wait, it's just
a giant turtle. It's a thirty foot loggerhead turtle. Well,
it was never caught, it was never captured, but maybe
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divers sculpt sketched it and everything. It would have been
the largest turtle ever. And we don't know how big
they get. We don't know how long they live in
the wild. Family four could have written on the back
of a thirty foot diameter turtle.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Sure it looks like a giant draft.
Speaker 6 (52:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Well, all right, guys. As always, time goes by so
fast when we're talking to you, Mark and Derek. Nice
meet Erica and nice meeting you. And keep the great
work up. I love the stories ex oonation. If you'd
like to kind of find out more about Erica and
our good friend Mark, Mark, give the website one more time.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
Eerie Travels dot com.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
All right, good night, guys, take care and thanks for
you much for joining us and to you the members
of the x O Nation. I'll be back tomorrow night,
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