October 7, 2025 • 53 mins
His interest in the paranormal was fostered at an early age by his mother and grandmother, who were both very much into ghosts, spirits, and the like. Luckily for him, this interest never waned. His artistic background compels him to view life from a slightly different perspective compared to most people. His primary goal is to uncover the mysteries behind these phenomena, hoping to share with others the knowledge and experiences he has acquired and will continue to do so. When he is not working as a designer/sign guy or conducting investigations, you can likely find him playing golf or diligently working to create an artistic masterpiece.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Oh hnry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the exisode, a place where fact is fiction
and fiction is reality. Now here's your host, Robert Connell.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
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a million pieces like.
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And you.
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I answer the.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
There's you again. Happy time to all the games, gaday.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And welcome back to the xone everyone. I am Rob McConnell,
and for the next two hours, I'm your host and
your guide as together we cross the time space continuum
to this place that I call the X Zone. It's
a place where people dare to believe and dare to
be heard. It's a place where fact is fiction and
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(01:40):
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(02:01):
My guess this hour is Mo Miller and he's with
the Black Hills Paranormal Investigations. And we've had the pleasure
of having Mo with us before and Mo, welcome back
to the ex song.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Rob. Yeah, before we get going into the meat and
bones of the of the interview, have you ever heard
about people being wrongly declared dead?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No? I have not, Okay, is that a new thing? Apparently?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, this is a This is a news headline from
one of the papers, People's magazine. Woman wrongly declared dead
for over fifteen years is still fighting to prove her existence.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah. And it says here that a Missouri woman is
still fighting to prove she's alive after she was wrongfully
declared dead more than fifteen years ago when she was
in college. Madeline Michelle Carthin had been anticipating taking a
part in the Webster University's International intern Exchange program in
(03:11):
the summer of two thousand and seven, but she was
never able to attend or even graduate after she was
denied financial aid when her Social Security number suddenly listed
her as deceased. And there's other stories where doctors have
pronounced their patients deceased, and in one case that we
(03:34):
checked out, the doctor declared the patient dead. The patient
gets to the funeral home and lo and behold, the
funeral director realizes that this person is not dead but
very much alive.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
So I think that is why before, like if you're
cremated before they have to wait twenty four hours. Yeah,
I'd be wide because all of a sudden, if you
sit up and you go, I'm not dead, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah. Do you remember in the olden days they used
to put a bell bell, a bell outside of the
outside of the grave, so that if the person was
in fact alive, they came alive and they'd bring the
bell and so the gravekeeper would come and get them. Wow,
here we are in the year twenty twenty four, and
you think by now they'd be able to tell if
(04:25):
a person is alive or dead or dead.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah. So what's new with you and and everything that's
going on in South Dakota these days when it comes
to the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Well, next weekend we're doing a paranormal I guess conference
or a group of investigations with a lady from California.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Her name is Marie Mason, right.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
It's it's gonna be for three days and we're we're
going to be investigating six different places in dead with
South Dakota, it's going to culminate with Mount Mariah Cemetery.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's are equivalent of boot Hill.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
And while Bill Hillcock's buried up there is Seth Bullock
is buried up there at Calamity Jane and a host
of others.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Have you gone there before and done investigations with your group?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, I have never.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I know where the cemetery is, of course, but we've
never actually done outdoor investigation at the cemetery, So this
will be a first for us.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can you do me a favor after you've done this
this weekend, get a hold of me and we'll have
you on and we'll discuss what you guys found.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh that would be That would be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, because I know our listeners love it when
you come on the show. And this is what we're
all about, is getting these these information segments out there
so that people who well, let me put it to
you this way. There are still people out there, and
I know you know this for a fact hour that
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that have had paranormal experiences, but they're still afraid to
talk about it, and when they hear people like you
on the show, who you know, and your group that
has been doing a number of investigations over the years,
they realize that they're not alone and exactly, you know,
so hats off to you and the other great paranormal
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investigators out there, because not only are you paranormal investigators,
but something else that is very important is you're actually historians.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
One of the neat things for our group specifically is
out here in the Black Hills, it's relatively new history, you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Know, as far as history goes.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
But we get to go into a lot of places
that your normal John Q public doesn't get to go into.
Like we get to go to attics and basements of
places that people can frequent uh huh, but they just
go on into the main floor kind of thing. Whereas
you know, as investigators, we get to go up and
down and all around in these places, which a lot
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of people don't do. And there's a lot of historical
stuff buried, you know, in the tops, you know, in
the addicts, in the basements and stuff that you normal
people don't get to see.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I believe one of the reasons moe is is
that your group as well as other groups out there.
Number one, they're responsible. Number two they're ethical, Number three
they're respectful, and number four you're professional, right, you know,
So I wouldn't let just anybody come into our home
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or into our offices and studios to, you know, just
to go around looking for the para normal unless you know,
they were like you guys and the other the other
groups that we have here on the show.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And we just got a call last week from a
lady in Oneida, South Dakota, that's on the eastern side
of the state. Oneida is a very small town. Yes,
they want us to investigate the courthouse there because they're
renovating it and now all of a sudden they're seeing things.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
They're here and stuff and you know, all kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And she looked for people on the eastern side of
the state, which there aren't any anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
There's only us, apparently.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
So she called us, you know, contacted us, reached out
to us, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I brought it to the team.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
We haven't set a date or anything yet, but it's
got to be this summer because the winters around here
a super harsh.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Tell me something. How haunted is South Dakota?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Uh, the places that we've been, I don't want to
It's like, for instance, Deadwood Belfus, the northern part of
the Black Hills.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There's like a pall almost over that portion of the Hills.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
There's so much, you know, because all the history was
relatively recent and it happened really really quick. Okay, I
you know, just about every single place in Deadwood, we've
we've always come away with something. You know, we've never
been you know, we haven't been able to debuate everything.
(09:03):
If that makes any.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Sense, Yeah, it certainly does. It certainly does. How do
you prepare for an investigation? Let's say somebody calls you.
Let's say I was living in South Dakota where you
live in a rapid city, and I called you up
and I said, you know, Mo, I've heard about you guys,
and something strange is going on in our home. We
(09:24):
see shadow people, the animals are acting very strange, and
I think there's something going on here. What steps do
you take before you actually number one, consider doing the
investigation and number two actually doing the investigation.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Well, first thing we'll do, we're going to reach out
to the client, you know, and they normally they will
email us or whatnot, and then we'll say, up the time,
we'll call them and we'll talk to him and ask them,
you know, what is going on. The second thing we
do is we will do a preliminary walkthrough, which lasts
about an hour, and that's you know, we haven't decided
(10:01):
on investigating or anything yet, right, but we'll go through
and we'll look, we'll get away of the land, so
to speak. Uh, and I'll look specifically at the books
they read and stuff like that too, because you know
a lot of people automatically go to the dark side.
If something goes bumping the night, it's a demon and
all this happy horse coca.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So so you read you look at.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You, hold on here, hold hold on here. I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I was trying to be clean, you are.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
But yeah, we'll do a walk through and then we'll
let them explain to us what claims, you know, what
their claims are, where they're happening, and then we'll sit
down with with the potential clients and we'll decide whether
or not an investigation is warranted. If we can't debunk
it on the spot.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Now when you decide to go forward with the investigation,
are there they're a questionnaire that you give to the clients.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Way back when we first started, we used to.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
We don't do that anymore because it was getting to
the point where it's, you know, it's basically cookie cutter,
you know, with with with what they write down. But
if you sit down and you talk to them, then
you get into the meat and potatoes of this step too.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
M And how long does the interview process take before
you and your team make a decision that yes, we're
going to go.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
A walk through usually last about an hour or so
because we'll get like I said, we'll talk to the
clients and we'll get a lay of the land and
stuff an investigation and depending on what's going on, if
there's nothing happening at all, it might be five hours
let's say, it can go up there like nine or ten,
depending on what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Of course, a lot of work goes into it. And
I would imagine even after the you do the investigation
and you collect all this data, you have to go
through it and correlate.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
People don't realize this like what you see on TV,
like you watch ghost adventures or ghost hunters or whatnot.
What you're seeing is a highlight reel for one, right,
You're not seeing, for instance, like I have on you know,
my personal equipment.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I have six recorders. Let's say I put them out.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
All of them, right, yeah, And it's a six hour investigation.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Six time six is thirty six?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
All right, We're gonna have to hold onto mo. We're
gonna have to hold onto thirty six because I have
to take my commercial break, So please stand by explanation.
I guess this hour is Maurice Miller, and we're talking
about paranormal investigations focusing on South Dakota. He is with
the Black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Our website is Black Hills
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Paranormal dot com. And and I will be back on
the other side of this break right here from our
broadcast center and studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, on the
excellent broadcast network at your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty
and of course streamed around the world on Classic twelve
twenty dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell, donunk away.
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Miller is our special guest and Moe is with the
(14:41):
Black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Their website is black Hills Paranormal
dot com and they are based in South Dakota. All right,
before we went to the break, we were talking about
your post investigation and how you have to go through
thirty six hours. I've recorded material after the investigation, and
(15:01):
that's only part of what you.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Do, right, and that's that would be only me. There's
there's seven other people.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Depending on the size of the venue, we might have
all seven of us, and each person has two or
three recorders that they're going to stick out.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
My goodness.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, so there's a ton and then we have we
have static our cameras that will that we put out
if it's warranted, and there's eight of those and we'll
run them the whole time.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So you'll have you know.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Six hours six six hours let's say, on each on
each each camera, so that's forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What people don't realize is that you and your team
members buy your own equipment. Yes, and that I would
imagine that's quite costly.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Very much.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
So, thank goodness are our you know, husbands and wives
are very supportive of what we do, because if they weren't,
it'd be really we'd be really.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Hard press trying to get some of the equipment.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You you've mentioned something about an I R.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yes, what do you have?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
We have that's infrared so you can see there's those
are cameras that will put out and you can see.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You can see in the dark with those, you know,
if you're watching the.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Screen all right, would that be like night vision?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yes, Okay. Now, after all the years you've been doing
the investigations model, what was it that that got you
in so interested in it that you had to take
the plunge and become an investigators?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
It started way back when I was when I was
a youngster. My mother, God rest your soul, and my
grandmother were very much into dowsing and things of that nature,
and we gi boards and all this kind of stuff.
Of course, when you're a young kid, you're too busy
run around with your friends. I was still living at home,
but I had gotten a little bit older, fourteen or fifteen,
(17:05):
and you know, they're still doing what they do. And
I was kind of thinking to myself, is this part
of the.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Human condition, you know?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Or is there more to it? And then I started
reading case studies. And I'm not talking rl S Deyeing
Goose book kind of scary books, but actual case studies.
And it's kind of like an onion. If you peel
the layers back, all the claims from around the world
boil down to the same exact Steff. People see things,
they hear things, they.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Experience step.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
And that basically got me into this because I was like,
you know, there's going to be something more to it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know, you mentioned weedi boards. Have you seen the
new toy weed board that Fisher Price put out.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's like the old see and say where you pull
the string and right, it's like that, and I'm trying
to really yeah, I'll send you the information. I can't
understand why any toy company would want to make a
toy ouiji board for kids.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Right, Well, I do know with the Oigi boards, what
was it Milton Bradley made him.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, yes, that's right.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
That made that made him, And and I personally I
own two. I have a regular I don't know who
makes me out, but a regular Oligi board, and then
I have a Witch board that's the same kind of
same concept, exact same thing, just looks a little different.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
The board's textured, and.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
That one doesn't work really well because it's because, like
I said, the board is textured. So the plan chat
or whatever you put your fingers on where you call it,
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
A plan chat. It doesn't doesn't. It's good along very
well at all.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I'm sorry for kind of going off track of
the you know how you people conduct and finish your investment.
But I just had to tell you that because I
find it, you know, it doesn't make sense to me,
Like what are we trying to with you?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I of course I call a lot of our equipment toys,
but they're not toys. The neat thing about our team
is everybody, you know, we have team equipment, then everybody
has their own equipment also, right, And one of the people,
Danny she's a psychic medium. She's on our team. But
she has something called an envoy, which is kind of
(19:32):
like it's almost like a digital Wiji board almost, but
it talks in sentences and things like it picks up
stuff and then it converts it into sentences.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It's like a necrometer or necrophonic, which we have.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So well, that is interesting. Yeah, okay, so you've got
all this information. It takes hours upon hours, right for
each one of you to do your due diligence with
the recordings, saying the data, and then I would imagine
you get all together and share the information and come
up with the final report.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
What we do is we give it about a week
and that's for everybody to go over their individual stuff
and then we all get together and then you know,
things that you think are relevant that you captured, you
bring it to the team and we basically you vote
yay or nay like that's good, or know that somebody
burped or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And then once again I'm keeping it clean.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
But after that, after we get everything together and we
decide what we would show the client the following week,
so it's about two weeks give or take, we'll have
the time with the client to go over like a
reveal and that that that even goes if we didn't
capture anything, we'll still sit down with them and say, hey,
you know, you know we were there a very small
(20:52):
snapshot in time and you know, nothing happened or all
proverbial hell broke loose.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
There have been a time when you've reviewed your your
data and and something has just blown you away.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yes, as a matter of fact, on our Facebook page,
if you go to our photos, we have we captured
a photo of a shadow person and you see the clients.
They're sitting on a couch and they're blurred because they
saw it too, and they're getting the hell out of
dodge for a lack of better terms, you know, they're
jumping off the couch and you see us things standing
(21:29):
in the corner. It's really really kind of kind of
cool for us, and it's really eye opening for other
people that kind of don't believe.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Is the shadow person a new phenomena?
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I don't think so, you know people, but people misconstrue them.
They automatically think, because it's a shadow person that is dark,
obviously it's going to be evil. They're really you know,
like this particular shadow person we call was an actual
was at one time was an alive person, came through
(22:07):
because we captured that here in Rapid City, came through
before Rapid City was a town or anything. And so
they were in wagons and whatnot, and they they camped
out here in town. The next morning, the guy cannot
find it was a guy. He couldn't find his wife.
So he gets up, he starts looking for her. He
(22:30):
ran across some indigenous people who killed him. Oh God,
and he was angry because even now, even you know,
up to now, he still couldn't find his wife. And
that's and that's how he presented himself, was he would
be a shadow and just scare the Jesus out of everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Well, aren't aren't all these apparitions, these ghosts, these spirits,
these shadow people. Aren't they all at one time humans living, breathing.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
What I think a lot are.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
But once in a while you run across something, uh
we call elementals. Okay, they have never been human, you know,
and they might be the forest of the mountains or whatever,
and they just you know, they're there and they've always
been and they always will be, you know. And we
happen to run across them because we're out, you know,
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actively searching for stuff too.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay, So and what I'm sorry, no, no, go on,
go on.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
What I was gonna say was.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
With those and you can you usually you can tell
that something hasn't hasn't been, or wasn't human to begin with,
because it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Really interact too much with you. It's kind of like
you're chasing Like I hate that you this, but you're
chasing a ghost.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Basically, you're chasing around, but it's not interacting with you
in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So how do you actually get the ghost or the
spirit or whatever the entity is to actually interact with you?
Speaker 8 (24:14):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Sometimes they don't want to. Sometimes it's kind of like
in Octobers, we do something with Deadwood History and we
do it at the Adams House. It's one of the
mansions in dead with Okay, right, and we've done that,
We've done this every October for going on twelve years now,
(24:37):
and there's definitely something, there's a presence in that in
that old mansion. It's not gonna hurt you, It doesn't, doesn't.
You know, it's not gonna it's not gonna hurt you.
Doesn't do anything to anybody, but sometimes it'll interact with you.
Sometimes it's kind of like it's hiding or trying to
hide and you're chasing around so well, and what I
(25:01):
guess what I'm trying to say with that is, you know,
if it's an intelligent haunt versus a residual and intelligent
is one, it's interacting with you, obviously, right, But I apparently,
you know, they get bored or tired of communicating with you,
(25:21):
and sometimes they don't.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Sometimes they just refuse to.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I've often wondered why, you know, why these spirits, ghosts,
whatever these endies are, why they put up with the
parroturism that is, that is, you know, growing in leaps
and bounds.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I agree, I agree, because you know, like I could,
you know, if I was a ghost or a spook
or what have you. It would be fun for the
first couple times. Then it would get bored. You know,
I'd be like, Okay, I'm done with this now.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You and I have to take our break. At the
bottom of the hour of my Friend, please stand by
ex oh nation. My guess this hour is Moe Miller,
and he is with the Black Hill's Paranormal Investigations in
South Dakota. Now, if you'd like to visit their website,
it's Black Hills Paranormal dot com and on Facebook black
Hills Paranormal Investigations. MO and I will be back after
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dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell, Uncleway, Okay.
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Upon the Bitter Green.
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She woke the hills above the town and go to.
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The footsteps of desire to town, waiting for her master
to kiss the tears, waiting through the.
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Years, Bitter Green they called here, walking in the sun,
loving everyone that she made.
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Better Green the call, waiting in the sun, waiting.
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For someone to take her. Some say he was a
singing day to wit sea.
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Some say he was a prisoner who was free.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Welcome back everyone more. Miller's our special guest this hour,
we're talking about power normal investigations, and he is with
the Black Hills Paranormal Investigations in South Dakota. Their website
is black Hills Paranormal dot com and their Facebook pages
black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Have you run into demons? Because
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a lot of paranormal investigators now are blaming everything on
demonic entities.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And I think that's because that's what the public demands,
because obviously the a lot of these people, like the
YouTube influencers, I guess, as well as the TV guys,
if you don't have anything to show the people, you're
not going to be on the air for you know,
any time.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
But isn't that isn't that taking credibility away from investigators
groups like yours and others who are there for the
real reason, not of senseationalize what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yes, I believe that wholeheartedly. And I don't think that
I have ever ran into a demon. I'm sure there
are people on our you know, on the team that
would would say otherwise, but I I think I have
ran across you know. Of course, looking back over the years,
I think I've ran across a couple of angry spirits
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kind of like the old guy when you were a kid,
like get out of my yard.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, but that's about as angry as a guy I.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, I didn't have anybody spitting peace, super floating by,
you know, any of that weird any of that weird
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I I've known a few demons in my day. Mind you,
they were all before I got married, and they were
usually in a bar. But you know, ever since I
got married, no more demons. Well maybe one or I.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Don't know, right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Why do some of the investigators, you know, curse, swear,
yell at the demons or yell at the spirits, yell
at the ghosts. Don't they realize that these at one
time where people and all they're doing is showing disrespect
and how stupid they really are.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I once again, I agree with that exactly what you said.
We don't on our team, we never we don't provoke.
That's what that's called. You're provoking.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
You're trying to get a reaction, and they're hoping that
they piss off whatever is there enough that it does something.
But at the same time, it's kind of it's kind
of funny because when they do this, and then they
provoke enough and something does happen. Then they run and
scream and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, well they I've got to watch out for that
horse doo dooo.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Right exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Now, what are the different types of hauntings.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
What we've ran across. Two of them that are really
easy to explain are intelligent versus residual.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
An intelligent haunting would be.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
That would be, for instance, like if I if I
go into a house or a business and say, hey,
my name is Moe, and all of a sudden it says, hey,
my name is Bob.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Kind of thing right, in a complete interaction. Residual haunts
are gonna happen whether you are there or not. That's
where you get like noises and sounds like gunshots and
all kinds of crazy stuff like that. That's just it's
it's almost like a tape being replaced, So.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
It's like something caught in the electromagnetic field within the
residents or within the commercial establishment. Is that the kind
of haunting as there are in the old British castles?
You know?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I think so because a lot of a lot of
the castles are by water, sources.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Running water is a really good uh conductor of that stuff,
and so were stones really yes?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
And there was a movie I think it was made
in the late safeties early seventies called the Stone Tape Theory.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
It was a really it's actually interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well I have to look that one up. It does
sound interesting. Has there ever been What was it like
the first time that you had a ghost or spirit encounter? One?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Very first time For me, I was I didn't believe
what I was experiencing.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I was like, there's no way this cannot be.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Because when I first got into it, I was I
was going to debunk everything. Everything was going to be,
you know, easily explained away. But then we go to
the place. We have flashlight interactions, we heard voices, we
had things move that we weren't touching.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Have you or any member of your team ever been
physically assaulted by a spirit or a ghost? Not?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
No, not that I can think of.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
As far as assaulting. Like I said, Danny, she's on
our team. She's a psychic medium and she does it
for a living.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
We did an.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Event last summer in Buffalo, Wyoming. It's on the far
side of Wyoming on the west side. It's right at
the base of the Big Horn Mountains, and we we
were doing an old hotel there and then next morning
we're getting ready to leave.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Her face had changed. She had something latched onto her
for lack.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Of better terms, and was excuse me, and wasn't letting
her go, And her face was physically different. It was
really weird, and she but doing what she does, she
was able to get rid of it and you know,
come back to normal fairly quickly.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Speaking about attachments, a lot of people go to yard sales,
to flea markets and estate sales or what are they
called options. How can somebody be sure when they buy
something that there isn't an attachment on that article that
they buy, and they unknowingly bring problems home with them,
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you know, I've heard that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't you know, if you go through in the
state's only buy something, there is no guarantee that you're.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Not going to have an attachment. And it's weird. Some
of the stuff that things attach themselves to. It might
be a pillow or a particular spoon. It's goofy.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
It doesn't always have to be Oh, I bought this
really cool old chair or this cool old bed or
this dresser. It could be something very simple and mundane.
But at the same time, not everything you get is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Or have an attachment. How do you tell that? I
don't know. If nothing happens, I guess you don't have
an attachment.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And if you do, you call up a credible paranormal
investigation team.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Right right, exactly, Well, while we were.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
On this last topic and you mentioned something about you
went to this place in Wyoming and there was activity
and some one and so forth, how does it work? Then?
Speaker 8 (35:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
No, what what I'm what I'm what I'm trying to
get at is how does it work? Then? If no,
matter where you are doing an investigation, there is a
spirit there which is basically as far as I understand
the essence of the person who was alive at one
time or can we call it their soul? And if
that is so, what does this do to the concept
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or the possibility of reincarnation?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Exactly? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Well, the easiest way I explained to this when we
give public presentations, when people ask me things like you know,
like you just did, we know our hearts and our
brains work on electrical conductivity, right Okay, So when you die,
that little electrical charge goes somewhere. Does it stay in
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the little ball of consciousness for us fell I don't know,
or does it go to the collective consciousness?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
We don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
But yeah, with the reincarnation, I think that has to do. Yeah,
that's a hard one, I think. And this is just
my own personal belief. Not everybody is going to come
back as a spirit period. I don't know why that is.
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Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and it doesn't have
to be any kind of tragedy. But maybe you go somewhere,
you know, depending on your religion, so it depends on
where you know, if you're Hindu or Muslim, or Christian
or Buddhist, where you go. But as far as reincarnation goes,
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I don't know if everybody goes through that either.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Some people do obviously.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, well let's say not everybody. It's a perplexing question
that raises a lot of other questions. You know, you
just think you've got one question answered, and that question
olpens up the door to so many other questions. I've
I've got about a minute and a half before I
have to take our final break, MOA, tell us a
little bit about the event that you're having again and
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and how can people find out more about it? And
if there's anybody else in the listening in the South
Dakota area, how can they get involved?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Uh? They Marie Mason is the name of the lady. Uh.
You can go to our facebook page.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
We have a link that goes to her so you
can sign up for the investigations or what have you.
Because like I said, we're doing six places. We're doing
the Fairmount Hotel, the Bullock, the Number ten Saloon, the
Adams House, Mount Mariah, and there's one more.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh my goodness, oh the Brothels.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
So we're hold on here, hold on here, here's the
guy who talks about horse doodoo. And you forgot about
the Brothels right right that that would be the first
non the list. Hey, gang Brothels, you and I have
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to take our break, So please stand by and de extonation.
If you'd like to sign up for that event that
we were just talking to and check out the Haunted Brothels,
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God.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Welcome back to that's Burton Cummings and the guest who
hand Me Down World. And the song that we played
prior to that was Gordon Lightfoot and Bitter Green. This
is the Excellent I'm Rob McConnell coming to you from
our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada,
on the Excellent Broadcast Network and your hometown radio, Classic
twelve twenty streamed around the world on Classic twelve twenty
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dot c. A. Moe Miller is our special guest and
he is with the Black Hill's Paranormal Investigations. Now if
you'd like to sign up for the investigation that they
will be doing this weekend, I believe going to their website,
Black Hill Black Hill's Power nor Investigations, I'm sorry, their
Facebook page and you can get all the information there
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and they have a great Facebook page. They have photos
that you can, you know, see for yourself what these
people are doing. For more information on their website Black
Hills Paranormal dot com. As always, Well, great having you
with us. We talked about the investigations that you do,
you know, I'm you know, and then then that that
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that question about reincarnation just came to me.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That was a really good question.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
By the way, Now, what about these haunted dolls we
hear about? Now? I had a lady on the show
last week who said that she went to a location
I believe it was in Florida. Was it Florida, Craig,
you know, in Florida where they had this doll and
you had to get permission to take the photo of
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the doll because if you didn't, you'd be cursed.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
That is that? That doll is Robert the doll that
I have heard about that guy before?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
How does this work? How does you know? How can
a doll carry so much weight where people really believe
that if they take the picture without his permission, they're cursed?
Speaker 5 (43:18):
You know, I I think personally, I have never ran
across the haunted doll. I don't understand how they have
to ask for mission and he doesn't you know, he's
not going to turn to them and say.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Okay, you're allowed to take a picture of him.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah. I believe there was something about a light. I
can't remember. There was there was, there was something that
they used. They asked the question and if the light
went red, it was yes, and if it went no,
it was red, green and red. So, you know, is
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it is this part of mind over matter?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I think it is.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
I think people that sneak, they sneak photos of the guy, right,
and then they'll go home, and then you know, their
subconscious is working on like you're going to be cursed,
So any any kind of bad luck that they might
have is going to be associated with that for you know,
for however long you know it lasts.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
For Have have you and your investigator team ever come
up to a situation where instead of a haunting, these
people were cursed and they asked for your help.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
We have actually ran into that a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I don't I don't know if they were first per se,
but they they they really had.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Some kind of issue going on.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Uh, And we couldn't we couldn't determine if it was
paranormal or not. There was nothing, you know, we we
never found anything paranormal. And we suggested to these people that,
you know, maybe they should go see a doctor, you know,
because obviously we're not medical doctors or any thought. And
one lady, this is years ago, she actually did. They
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adjusted her the mede she was on and she didn't
have any problems after that. Conversely, we've had other people
come come to us, Oh you know what I'm saying,
spiders or whatever crawling up the wall, blah blah blah,
and that's all we you know, and I'll reach out
to them, and that's that's all. It never goes any
farther than that. They won't contact us back, they don't
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do anything.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And I don't know.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
I don't know if they're being just poo poo heads
for a lack of bread or they're just wacky.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I hesitate to ask you this question because to me,
it's a very simple question. Why is seeing spiders on
the wall a paranormal event?
Speaker 5 (45:46):
I don't know, but people do. They seem to think that, like, well,
we all have a spider or two in our house.
But what I'm assuming is they're seeing like multitudes of
them at one time. See now, if I if I
went into their place, I would be looking for like
a nest of some sort, right, instead of just instantly
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jumping to oh my gosh, you got so many flies
or you know, spiders and whatnot. It's just like people
like in the wintertime around here, they'll say, oh, I
got flies.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, because it's a warm room.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
And the flies apparently they have a food source. I
don't know what they're eating, but there must be something.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I think I'm going to have to write a book
about the strangest phenomena that is not really strange. How
many years would you say that you and the members
of your team have in total altogether.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, I've been doing it for eighteen.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
Eighteen. We're probably I'm thinking we have fifty years of
experience probably between all of us.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Okay, I'm sure that you have all seen Ghostbusters, right, Oh.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Actually, have you or your team ever come across ectoplasm?
Speaker 5 (47:14):
No, we did have a lady, an elderly lady. This
is years ago. We investigate her house. We came up
with nothing, but in her bathroom she found something on
the wall and she wanted us to come scrape it
off and have it tested, which we can't afford that obviously,
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but oh, I'm going to be sick anyway.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
It was it was basically a snot ball.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
A snot like like she hit sneezed and it flew
across the room and.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Stuck to the ball.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, oh my god, that's a new one for me.
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
People don't realize, you know, sometimes we have to deal
with wacky stuff. You know, it's not all it's not
all fun and games and you're running up and down
the hallway in the dark, terrified or anything. Sometimes, you know,
people have weird things happen to them and they want
us to fix it.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah. I know for a fact that there are many
old houses that are damp and there's black mold, and
black mold actually you know, has spores that if if inhaled,
can actually cause hallucinations.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yes, And.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
You wouldn't believe the number of paranormal investigators that I've
talked to this about and they've had no idea what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Really.
Speaker 5 (48:48):
Yeah, no, these are that And that's the same kind
of stuff that we look for. Obviously, we look for
natural you know, natural phenomena like every you know, like
if they say every evening, say three o'clock in the afternoon,
my appliances in my kitchen go off. Well, why you know,
is there a power surgery lived by a power station?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Right?
Speaker 5 (49:11):
But stuff, But we'll look for mold and stuff too,
like if they say they see things or they're hearing things,
because we're looking for all kinds of natural occurring things
obviously first, anything that you're left with, you know, scratching
your head about, that's that's when we start to go, hm,
maybe there's something a little bit more to it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I actually believe that ectoplasm is the slime that mold
can create.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Maybe, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Okay, another question for you, yeah, Craig. Craig says, I've
got about three and a half minutes left. Has there
been an increase in paranormal reports and activity ever since
the use of G four and G five have been
implemented for the use of cell towers and sell communication,
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as well as the increase in microwave not out here.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
I have heard, like like bigger cities that they're they're
saying an upswing, And I don't know if I don't
think it's an upswing in paranormal activity. I think people
are assuming that well. And you might know this if
you have an area with high EMF for instance, like
by your fuse box. Some people react to that. Some
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people get rashes and hives. Some people here and see things,
and I'm thinking that that might be you know, they
might live by a cell tower or something and they
might pick up on that stuff that I you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Have you ever heard of paranormal investigator is using animals.
There's one lady who claims that she has a dog
that has been trained to detect paranormal activity.
Speaker 5 (51:02):
We don't use any of our animals, because I think
everybody on the team has animals.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I have heard of people using them.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
I think that's kind of a mean thing, because a
poor defense's animal doesn't know what you're going into.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Well, as a person, you do, and you know, and
maybe you know, I don't doubt that animals can sense
things that we can't. There's no doubt in my mind
about that. But at the same time, exposing them to
this stuff that I think is kind of cruel and unusual.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
To be honest with you, MO, what would you suggest
people do if, after listening to the show tonight, they
believe that their home or their business has paranormal activity.
Number One, if there is a spirit, should they face
or confront the spirit? Or should they call somebody like
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yourselves to come in and actually I know what's going on.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
I always tell people because they they've back asked me
this before.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
H be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
Like they like people want to put out an audio
recorder or whatever, you might pick up something that you're
not ready to hear, you know, or see. Right, So
what I would what I would suggest, depending on where
they live, is look online for you know a reputable source,
i e. You know a paranormal investigative group, and you
have to vet us and what I'm saying us, I
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mean like the entire paranormal community, because there are some
people that are in it just because it's fun and
they want to be scared and all this kind of
horse cock.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Co and I'm sure they can do more damage than good.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I'm sorry, quickly, quickly, oh real quick.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
When I was going to say that, I was when
you when you just said they do more damage and good.
You have to think about this because as a paranormal investigator,
if I say to somebody they're there's a demon in
your house.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
They're probably gonna believe me. So even if I'm lying,
they're gonna believe that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Mo times come when I have to say so long
to you, my friend. Thanks so much for joining us more.
Please send me that information to xxone inform x Zone
Nation if you'd like to contact Moe Miller and his group.
The name of their group is the Black Hill's Paranormal Investigations.
Their website is Black Hills Paranormal dot com and on
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Facebook black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Thanks again, Moe, Thank you
for having me. Take care Rob. All right, we'll be
back on the other side of this break as our
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My guess this hour is Mo Miller and he's with
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of having Mo with us before and Mo, welcome back
to the ex song.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Rob. Yeah, before we get going into the meat and
bones of the of the interview, have you ever heard
about people being wrongly declared dead?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No? I have not, Okay, is that a new thing? Apparently?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, this is a This is a news headline from
one of the papers, People's magazine. Woman wrongly declared dead
for over fifteen years is still fighting to prove her existence.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah. And it says here that a Missouri woman is
still fighting to prove she's alive after she was wrongfully
declared dead more than fifteen years ago when she was
in college. Madeline Michelle Carthin had been anticipating taking a
part in the Webster University's International intern Exchange program in
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the summer of two thousand and seven, but she was
never able to attend or even graduate after she was
denied financial aid when her Social Security number suddenly listed
her as deceased. And there's other stories where doctors have
pronounced their patients deceased, and in one case that we
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checked out, the doctor declared the patient dead. The patient
gets to the funeral home and lo and behold, the
funeral director realizes that this person is not dead but
very much alive.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
So I think that is why before, like if you're
cremated before they have to wait twenty four hours. Yeah,
I'd be wide because all of a sudden, if you
sit up and you go, I'm not dead, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah. Do you remember in the olden days they used
to put a bell bell, a bell outside of the
outside of the grave, so that if the person was
in fact alive, they came alive and they'd bring the
bell and so the gravekeeper would come and get them. Wow,
here we are in the year twenty twenty four, and
you think by now they'd be able to tell if
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a person is alive or dead or dead.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah. So what's new with you and and everything that's
going on in South Dakota these days when it comes
to the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Well, next weekend we're doing a paranormal I guess conference
or a group of investigations with a lady from California.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Her name is Marie Mason, right.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
It's it's gonna be for three days and we're we're
going to be investigating six different places in dead with
South Dakota, it's going to culminate with Mount Mariah Cemetery.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's are equivalent of boot Hill.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
And while Bill Hillcock's buried up there is Seth Bullock
is buried up there at Calamity Jane and a host
of others.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Have you gone there before and done investigations with your group?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, I have never.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I know where the cemetery is, of course, but we've
never actually done outdoor investigation at the cemetery, So this
will be a first for us.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can you do me a favor after you've done this
this weekend, get a hold of me and we'll have
you on and we'll discuss what you guys found.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh that would be That would be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, because I know our listeners love it when
you come on the show. And this is what we're
all about, is getting these these information segments out there
so that people who well, let me put it to
you this way. There are still people out there, and
I know you know this for a fact hour that
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that have had paranormal experiences, but they're still afraid to
talk about it, and when they hear people like you
on the show, who you know, and your group that
has been doing a number of investigations over the years,
they realize that they're not alone and exactly, you know,
so hats off to you and the other great paranormal
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investigators out there, because not only are you paranormal investigators,
but something else that is very important is you're actually historians.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
One of the neat things for our group specifically is
out here in the Black Hills, it's relatively new history, you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Know, as far as history goes.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
But we get to go into a lot of places
that your normal John Q public doesn't get to go into.
Like we get to go to attics and basements of
places that people can frequent uh huh, but they just
go on into the main floor kind of thing. Whereas
you know, as investigators, we get to go up and
down and all around in these places, which a lot
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of people don't do. And there's a lot of historical
stuff buried, you know, in the tops, you know, in
the addicts, in the basements and stuff that you normal
people don't get to see.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I believe one of the reasons moe is is
that your group as well as other groups out there.
Number one, they're responsible. Number two they're ethical, Number three
they're respectful, and number four you're professional, right, you know,
So I wouldn't let just anybody come into our home
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or into our offices and studios to, you know, just
to go around looking for the para normal unless you know,
they were like you guys and the other the other
groups that we have here on the show.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And we just got a call last week from a
lady in Oneida, South Dakota, that's on the eastern side
of the state. Oneida is a very small town. Yes,
they want us to investigate the courthouse there because they're
renovating it and now all of a sudden they're seeing things.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
They're here and stuff and you know, all kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And she looked for people on the eastern side of
the state, which there aren't any anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
There's only us, apparently.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
So she called us, you know, contacted us, reached out
to us, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I brought it to the team.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
We haven't set a date or anything yet, but it's
got to be this summer because the winters around here
a super harsh.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Tell me something. How haunted is South Dakota?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Uh, the places that we've been, I don't want to
It's like, for instance, Deadwood Belfus, the northern part of
the Black Hills.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There's like a pall almost over that portion of the Hills.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
There's so much, you know, because all the history was
relatively recent and it happened really really quick. Okay, I
you know, just about every single place in Deadwood, we've
we've always come away with something. You know, we've never
been you know, we haven't been able to debuate everything.
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If that makes any.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Sense, Yeah, it certainly does. It certainly does. How do
you prepare for an investigation? Let's say somebody calls you.
Let's say I was living in South Dakota where you
live in a rapid city, and I called you up
and I said, you know, Mo, I've heard about you guys,
and something strange is going on in our home. We
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see shadow people, the animals are acting very strange, and
I think there's something going on here. What steps do
you take before you actually number one, consider doing the
investigation and number two actually doing the investigation.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Well, first thing we'll do, we're going to reach out
to the client, you know, and they normally they will
email us or whatnot, and then we'll say, up the time,
we'll call them and we'll talk to him and ask them,
you know, what is going on. The second thing we
do is we will do a preliminary walkthrough, which lasts
about an hour, and that's you know, we haven't decided
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on investigating or anything yet, right, but we'll go through
and we'll look, we'll get away of the land, so
to speak. Uh, and I'll look specifically at the books
they read and stuff like that too, because you know
a lot of people automatically go to the dark side.
If something goes bumping the night, it's a demon and
all this happy horse coca.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So so you read you look at.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You, hold on here, hold hold on here. I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I was trying to be clean, you are.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
But yeah, we'll do a walk through and then we'll
let them explain to us what claims, you know, what
their claims are, where they're happening, and then we'll sit
down with with the potential clients and we'll decide whether
or not an investigation is warranted. If we can't debunk
it on the spot.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Now when you decide to go forward with the investigation,
are there they're a questionnaire that you give to the clients.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Way back when we first started, we used to.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
We don't do that anymore because it was getting to
the point where it's, you know, it's basically cookie cutter,
you know, with with with what they write down. But
if you sit down and you talk to them, then
you get into the meat and potatoes of this step too.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
M And how long does the interview process take before
you and your team make a decision that yes, we're
going to go.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
A walk through usually last about an hour or so
because we'll get like I said, we'll talk to the
clients and we'll get a lay of the land and
stuff an investigation and depending on what's going on, if
there's nothing happening at all, it might be five hours
let's say, it can go up there like nine or ten,
depending on what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Of course, a lot of work goes into it. And
I would imagine even after the you do the investigation
and you collect all this data, you have to go
through it and correlate.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
People don't realize this like what you see on TV,
like you watch ghost adventures or ghost hunters or whatnot.
What you're seeing is a highlight reel for one, right,
You're not seeing, for instance, like I have on you know,
my personal equipment.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I have six recorders. Let's say I put them out.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
All of them, right, yeah, And it's a six hour investigation.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Six time six is thirty six?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
All right, We're gonna have to hold onto mo. We're
gonna have to hold onto thirty six because I have
to take my commercial break, So please stand by explanation.
I guess this hour is Maurice Miller, and we're talking
about paranormal investigations focusing on South Dakota. He is with
the Black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Our website is Black Hills
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Paranormal dot com. And and I will be back on
the other side of this break right here from our
broadcast center and studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, on the
excellent broadcast network at your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty
and of course streamed around the world on Classic twelve
twenty dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell, donunk away.
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Miller is our special guest and Moe is with the
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Black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Their website is black Hills Paranormal
dot com and they are based in South Dakota. All right,
before we went to the break, we were talking about
your post investigation and how you have to go through
thirty six hours. I've recorded material after the investigation, and
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that's only part of what you.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Do, right, and that's that would be only me. There's
there's seven other people.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Depending on the size of the venue, we might have
all seven of us, and each person has two or
three recorders that they're going to stick out.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
My goodness.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, so there's a ton and then we have we
have static our cameras that will that we put out
if it's warranted, and there's eight of those and we'll
run them the whole time.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So you'll have you know.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Six hours six six hours let's say, on each on
each each camera, so that's forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What people don't realize is that you and your team
members buy your own equipment. Yes, and that I would
imagine that's quite costly.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Very much.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
So, thank goodness are our you know, husbands and wives
are very supportive of what we do, because if they weren't,
it'd be really we'd be really.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Hard press trying to get some of the equipment.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You you've mentioned something about an I R.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yes, what do you have?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
We have that's infrared so you can see there's those
are cameras that will put out and you can see.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You can see in the dark with those, you know,
if you're watching the.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Screen all right, would that be like night vision?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yes, Okay. Now, after all the years you've been doing
the investigations model, what was it that that got you
in so interested in it that you had to take
the plunge and become an investigators?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
It started way back when I was when I was
a youngster. My mother, God rest your soul, and my
grandmother were very much into dowsing and things of that nature,
and we gi boards and all this kind of stuff.
Of course, when you're a young kid, you're too busy
run around with your friends. I was still living at home,
but I had gotten a little bit older, fourteen or fifteen,
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and you know, they're still doing what they do. And
I was kind of thinking to myself, is this part
of the.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Human condition, you know?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Or is there more to it? And then I started
reading case studies. And I'm not talking rl S Deyeing
Goose book kind of scary books, but actual case studies.
And it's kind of like an onion. If you peel
the layers back, all the claims from around the world
boil down to the same exact Steff. People see things,
they hear things, they.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Experience step.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
And that basically got me into this because I was like,
you know, there's going to be something more to it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know, you mentioned weedi boards. Have you seen the
new toy weed board that Fisher Price put out.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's like the old see and say where you pull
the string and right, it's like that, and I'm trying
to really yeah, I'll send you the information. I can't
understand why any toy company would want to make a
toy ouiji board for kids.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Right, Well, I do know with the Oigi boards, what
was it Milton Bradley made him.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, yes, that's right.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
That made that made him, And and I personally I
own two. I have a regular I don't know who
makes me out, but a regular Oligi board, and then
I have a Witch board that's the same kind of
same concept, exact same thing, just looks a little different.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
The board's textured, and.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
That one doesn't work really well because it's because, like
I said, the board is textured. So the plan chat
or whatever you put your fingers on where you call it,
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
A plan chat. It doesn't doesn't. It's good along very
well at all.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I'm sorry for kind of going off track of
the you know how you people conduct and finish your investment.
But I just had to tell you that because I
find it, you know, it doesn't make sense to me,
Like what are we trying to with you?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I of course I call a lot of our equipment toys,
but they're not toys. The neat thing about our team
is everybody, you know, we have team equipment, then everybody
has their own equipment also, right, And one of the people,
Danny she's a psychic medium. She's on our team. But
she has something called an envoy, which is kind of
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like it's almost like a digital Wiji board almost, but
it talks in sentences and things like it picks up
stuff and then it converts it into sentences.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It's like a necrometer or necrophonic, which we have.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So well, that is interesting. Yeah, okay, so you've got
all this information. It takes hours upon hours, right for
each one of you to do your due diligence with
the recordings, saying the data, and then I would imagine
you get all together and share the information and come
up with the final report.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
What we do is we give it about a week
and that's for everybody to go over their individual stuff
and then we all get together and then you know,
things that you think are relevant that you captured, you
bring it to the team and we basically you vote
yay or nay like that's good, or know that somebody
burped or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And then once again I'm keeping it clean.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
But after that, after we get everything together and we
decide what we would show the client the following week,
so it's about two weeks give or take, we'll have
the time with the client to go over like a
reveal and that that that even goes if we didn't
capture anything, we'll still sit down with them and say, hey,
you know, you know we were there a very small
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snapshot in time and you know, nothing happened or all
proverbial hell broke loose.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
There have been a time when you've reviewed your your
data and and something has just blown you away.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yes, as a matter of fact, on our Facebook page,
if you go to our photos, we have we captured
a photo of a shadow person and you see the clients.
They're sitting on a couch and they're blurred because they
saw it too, and they're getting the hell out of
dodge for a lack of better terms, you know, they're
jumping off the couch and you see us things standing
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in the corner. It's really really kind of kind of
cool for us, and it's really eye opening for other
people that kind of don't believe.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Is the shadow person a new phenomena?
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I don't think so, you know people, but people misconstrue them.
They automatically think, because it's a shadow person that is dark,
obviously it's going to be evil. They're really you know,
like this particular shadow person we call was an actual
was at one time was an alive person, came through
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because we captured that here in Rapid City, came through
before Rapid City was a town or anything. And so
they were in wagons and whatnot, and they they camped
out here in town. The next morning, the guy cannot
find it was a guy. He couldn't find his wife.
So he gets up, he starts looking for her. He
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ran across some indigenous people who killed him. Oh God,
and he was angry because even now, even you know,
up to now, he still couldn't find his wife. And
that's and that's how he presented himself, was he would
be a shadow and just scare the Jesus out of everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Well, aren't aren't all these apparitions, these ghosts, these spirits,
these shadow people. Aren't they all at one time humans living, breathing.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
What I think a lot are.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
But once in a while you run across something, uh
we call elementals. Okay, they have never been human, you know,
and they might be the forest of the mountains or whatever,
and they just you know, they're there and they've always
been and they always will be, you know. And we
happen to run across them because we're out, you know,
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actively searching for stuff too.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay, So and what I'm sorry, no, no, go on,
go on.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
What I was gonna say was.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
With those and you can you usually you can tell
that something hasn't hasn't been, or wasn't human to begin with,
because it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Really interact too much with you. It's kind of like
you're chasing Like I hate that you this, but you're
chasing a ghost.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Basically, you're chasing around, but it's not interacting with you
in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So how do you actually get the ghost or the
spirit or whatever the entity is to actually interact with you?
Speaker 8 (24:14):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Sometimes they don't want to. Sometimes it's kind of like
in Octobers, we do something with Deadwood History and we
do it at the Adams House. It's one of the
mansions in dead with Okay, right, and we've done that,
We've done this every October for going on twelve years now,
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and there's definitely something, there's a presence in that in
that old mansion. It's not gonna hurt you, It doesn't, doesn't.
You know, it's not gonna it's not gonna hurt you.
Doesn't do anything to anybody, but sometimes it'll interact with you.
Sometimes it's kind of like it's hiding or trying to
hide and you're chasing around so well, and what I
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guess what I'm trying to say with that is, you know,
if it's an intelligent haunt versus a residual and intelligent
is one, it's interacting with you, obviously, right, But I apparently,
you know, they get bored or tired of communicating with you,
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and sometimes they don't.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Sometimes they just refuse to.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I've often wondered why, you know, why these spirits, ghosts,
whatever these endies are, why they put up with the
parroturism that is, that is, you know, growing in leaps
and bounds.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I agree, I agree, because you know, like I could,
you know, if I was a ghost or a spook
or what have you. It would be fun for the
first couple times. Then it would get bored. You know,
I'd be like, Okay, I'm done with this now.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You and I have to take our break. At the
bottom of the hour of my Friend, please stand by
ex oh nation. My guess this hour is Moe Miller,
and he is with the Black Hill's Paranormal Investigations in
South Dakota. Now, if you'd like to visit their website,
it's Black Hills Paranormal dot com and on Facebook black
Hills Paranormal Investigations. MO and I will be back after
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this brief message as we continue talking about the weird,
the strange, the bizarre, the paranormal. After all, here in
the xone word searching francers, but we also demand the truth.
And we'll be back as we continue from our broadcast
center in studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, on the
xone Broadcast Network and your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty
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dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell, Uncleway, Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Now I'm going to record.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Upon the Bitter Green.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
She woke the hills above the town and go to.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
The footsteps of desire to town, waiting for her master
to kiss the tears, waiting through the.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Years, Bitter Green they called here, walking in the sun,
loving everyone that she made.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Better Green the call, waiting in the sun, waiting.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
For someone to take her. Some say he was a
singing day to wit sea.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Some say he was a prisoner who was free.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Welcome back everyone more. Miller's our special guest this hour,
we're talking about power normal investigations, and he is with
the Black Hills Paranormal Investigations in South Dakota. Their website
is black Hills Paranormal dot com and their Facebook pages
black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Have you run into demons? Because
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a lot of paranormal investigators now are blaming everything on
demonic entities.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And I think that's because that's what the public demands,
because obviously the a lot of these people, like the
YouTube influencers, I guess, as well as the TV guys,
if you don't have anything to show the people, you're
not going to be on the air for you know,
any time.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
But isn't that isn't that taking credibility away from investigators
groups like yours and others who are there for the
real reason, not of senseationalize what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yes, I believe that wholeheartedly. And I don't think that
I have ever ran into a demon. I'm sure there
are people on our you know, on the team that
would would say otherwise, but I I think I have
ran across you know. Of course, looking back over the years,
I think I've ran across a couple of angry spirits
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kind of like the old guy when you were a kid,
like get out of my yard.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, but that's about as angry as a guy I.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, I didn't have anybody spitting peace, super floating by,
you know, any of that weird any of that weird
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I I've known a few demons in my day. Mind you,
they were all before I got married, and they were
usually in a bar. But you know, ever since I
got married, no more demons. Well maybe one or I.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Don't know, right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Why do some of the investigators, you know, curse, swear,
yell at the demons or yell at the spirits, yell
at the ghosts. Don't they realize that these at one
time where people and all they're doing is showing disrespect
and how stupid they really are.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I once again, I agree with that exactly what you said.
We don't on our team, we never we don't provoke.
That's what that's called. You're provoking.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
You're trying to get a reaction, and they're hoping that
they piss off whatever is there enough that it does something.
But at the same time, it's kind of it's kind
of funny because when they do this, and then they
provoke enough and something does happen. Then they run and
scream and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, well they I've got to watch out for that
horse doo dooo.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Right exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Now, what are the different types of hauntings.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
What we've ran across. Two of them that are really
easy to explain are intelligent versus residual.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
An intelligent haunting would be.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
That would be, for instance, like if I if I
go into a house or a business and say, hey,
my name is Moe, and all of a sudden it says, hey,
my name is Bob.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Kind of thing right, in a complete interaction. Residual haunts
are gonna happen whether you are there or not. That's
where you get like noises and sounds like gunshots and
all kinds of crazy stuff like that. That's just it's
it's almost like a tape being replaced, So.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
It's like something caught in the electromagnetic field within the
residents or within the commercial establishment. Is that the kind
of haunting as there are in the old British castles?
You know?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I think so because a lot of a lot of
the castles are by water, sources.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Running water is a really good uh conductor of that stuff,
and so were stones really yes?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
And there was a movie I think it was made
in the late safeties early seventies called the Stone Tape Theory.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
It was a really it's actually interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well I have to look that one up. It does
sound interesting. Has there ever been What was it like
the first time that you had a ghost or spirit encounter? One?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Very first time For me, I was I didn't believe
what I was experiencing.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I was like, there's no way this cannot be.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Because when I first got into it, I was I
was going to debunk everything. Everything was going to be,
you know, easily explained away. But then we go to
the place. We have flashlight interactions, we heard voices, we
had things move that we weren't touching.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Have you or any member of your team ever been
physically assaulted by a spirit or a ghost? Not?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
No, not that I can think of.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
As far as assaulting. Like I said, Danny, she's on
our team. She's a psychic medium and she does it
for a living.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
We did an.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Event last summer in Buffalo, Wyoming. It's on the far
side of Wyoming on the west side. It's right at
the base of the Big Horn Mountains, and we we
were doing an old hotel there and then next morning
we're getting ready to leave.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Her face had changed. She had something latched onto her
for lack.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Of better terms, and was excuse me, and wasn't letting
her go, And her face was physically different. It was
really weird, and she but doing what she does, she
was able to get rid of it and you know,
come back to normal fairly quickly.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Speaking about attachments, a lot of people go to yard sales,
to flea markets and estate sales or what are they
called options. How can somebody be sure when they buy
something that there isn't an attachment on that article that
they buy, and they unknowingly bring problems home with them,
(34:17):
you know, I've heard that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't you know, if you go through in the
state's only buy something, there is no guarantee that you're.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Not going to have an attachment. And it's weird. Some
of the stuff that things attach themselves to. It might
be a pillow or a particular spoon. It's goofy.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
It doesn't always have to be Oh, I bought this
really cool old chair or this cool old bed or
this dresser. It could be something very simple and mundane.
But at the same time, not everything you get is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Or have an attachment. How do you tell that? I
don't know. If nothing happens, I guess you don't have
an attachment.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And if you do, you call up a credible paranormal
investigation team.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Right right, exactly, Well, while we were.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
On this last topic and you mentioned something about you
went to this place in Wyoming and there was activity
and some one and so forth, how does it work? Then?
Speaker 8 (35:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
No, what what I'm what I'm what I'm trying to
get at is how does it work? Then? If no,
matter where you are doing an investigation, there is a
spirit there which is basically as far as I understand
the essence of the person who was alive at one
time or can we call it their soul? And if
that is so, what does this do to the concept
(35:52):
or the possibility of reincarnation?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Exactly? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Well, the easiest way I explained to this when we
give public presentations, when people ask me things like you know,
like you just did, we know our hearts and our
brains work on electrical conductivity, right Okay, So when you die,
that little electrical charge goes somewhere. Does it stay in
(36:22):
the little ball of consciousness for us fell I don't know,
or does it go to the collective consciousness?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
We don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
But yeah, with the reincarnation, I think that has to do. Yeah,
that's a hard one, I think. And this is just
my own personal belief. Not everybody is going to come
back as a spirit period. I don't know why that is.
(36:53):
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and it doesn't have
to be any kind of tragedy. But maybe you go somewhere,
you know, depending on your religion, so it depends on
where you know, if you're Hindu or Muslim, or Christian
or Buddhist, where you go. But as far as reincarnation goes,
(37:20):
I don't know if everybody goes through that either.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Some people do obviously.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, well let's say not everybody. It's a perplexing question
that raises a lot of other questions. You know, you
just think you've got one question answered, and that question
olpens up the door to so many other questions. I've
I've got about a minute and a half before I
have to take our final break, MOA, tell us a
little bit about the event that you're having again and
(37:46):
and how can people find out more about it? And
if there's anybody else in the listening in the South
Dakota area, how can they get involved?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Uh? They Marie Mason is the name of the lady. Uh.
You can go to our facebook page.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
We have a link that goes to her so you
can sign up for the investigations or what have you.
Because like I said, we're doing six places. We're doing
the Fairmount Hotel, the Bullock, the Number ten Saloon, the
Adams House, Mount Mariah, and there's one more.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh my goodness, oh the Brothels.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
So we're hold on here, hold on here, here's the
guy who talks about horse doodoo. And you forgot about
the Brothels right right that that would be the first
non the list. Hey, gang Brothels, you and I have
(38:45):
to take our break, So please stand by and de extonation.
If you'd like to sign up for that event that
we were just talking to and check out the Haunted Brothels,
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Black Hill's Poweranormal Investigations and for all the information on
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(39:07):
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Speaker 8 (40:25):
Don't go away, anybody, see the noise, see the field
and commotion.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I think we missed it. Anybody see the love, see
the hates be emotion, don't be no hend me, don't
no hen.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Don't no hend me.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
God.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Welcome back to that's Burton Cummings and the guest who
hand Me Down World. And the song that we played
prior to that was Gordon Lightfoot and Bitter Green. This
is the Excellent I'm Rob McConnell coming to you from
our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada,
on the Excellent Broadcast Network and your hometown radio, Classic
twelve twenty streamed around the world on Classic twelve twenty
(41:42):
dot c. A. Moe Miller is our special guest and
he is with the Black Hill's Paranormal Investigations. Now if
you'd like to sign up for the investigation that they
will be doing this weekend, I believe going to their website,
Black Hill Black Hill's Power nor Investigations, I'm sorry, their
Facebook page and you can get all the information there
(42:04):
and they have a great Facebook page. They have photos
that you can, you know, see for yourself what these
people are doing. For more information on their website Black
Hills Paranormal dot com. As always, Well, great having you
with us. We talked about the investigations that you do,
you know, I'm you know, and then then that that
(42:26):
that question about reincarnation just came to me.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That was a really good question.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
By the way, Now, what about these haunted dolls we
hear about? Now? I had a lady on the show
last week who said that she went to a location
I believe it was in Florida. Was it Florida, Craig,
you know, in Florida where they had this doll and
you had to get permission to take the photo of
(42:54):
the doll because if you didn't, you'd be cursed.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
That is that? That doll is Robert the doll that
I have heard about that guy before?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
How does this work? How does you know? How can
a doll carry so much weight where people really believe
that if they take the picture without his permission, they're cursed?
Speaker 5 (43:18):
You know, I I think personally, I have never ran
across the haunted doll. I don't understand how they have
to ask for mission and he doesn't you know, he's
not going to turn to them and say.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Okay, you're allowed to take a picture of him.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah. I believe there was something about a light. I
can't remember. There was there was, there was something that
they used. They asked the question and if the light
went red, it was yes, and if it went no,
it was red, green and red. So, you know, is
(43:54):
it is this part of mind over matter?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I think it is.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
I think people that sneak, they sneak photos of the guy, right,
and then they'll go home, and then you know, their
subconscious is working on like you're going to be cursed,
So any any kind of bad luck that they might
have is going to be associated with that for you know,
for however long you know it lasts.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
For Have have you and your investigator team ever come
up to a situation where instead of a haunting, these
people were cursed and they asked for your help.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
We have actually ran into that a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I don't I don't know if they were first per se,
but they they they really had.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Some kind of issue going on.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Uh, And we couldn't we couldn't determine if it was
paranormal or not. There was nothing, you know, we we
never found anything paranormal. And we suggested to these people that,
you know, maybe they should go see a doctor, you know,
because obviously we're not medical doctors or any thought. And
one lady, this is years ago, she actually did. They
(45:04):
adjusted her the mede she was on and she didn't
have any problems after that. Conversely, we've had other people
come come to us, Oh you know what I'm saying,
spiders or whatever crawling up the wall, blah blah blah,
and that's all we you know, and I'll reach out
to them, and that's that's all. It never goes any
farther than that. They won't contact us back, they don't
(45:26):
do anything.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And I don't know.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
I don't know if they're being just poo poo heads
for a lack of bread or they're just wacky.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I hesitate to ask you this question because to me,
it's a very simple question. Why is seeing spiders on
the wall a paranormal event?
Speaker 5 (45:46):
I don't know, but people do. They seem to think that, like, well,
we all have a spider or two in our house.
But what I'm assuming is they're seeing like multitudes of
them at one time. See now, if I if I
went into their place, I would be looking for like
a nest of some sort, right, instead of just instantly
(46:11):
jumping to oh my gosh, you got so many flies
or you know, spiders and whatnot. It's just like people
like in the wintertime around here, they'll say, oh, I
got flies.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, because it's a warm room.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
And the flies apparently they have a food source. I
don't know what they're eating, but there must be something.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I think I'm going to have to write a book
about the strangest phenomena that is not really strange. How
many years would you say that you and the members
of your team have in total altogether.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, I've been doing it for eighteen.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
Eighteen. We're probably I'm thinking we have fifty years of
experience probably between all of us.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Okay, I'm sure that you have all seen Ghostbusters, right, Oh.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Actually, have you or your team ever come across ectoplasm?
Speaker 5 (47:14):
No, we did have a lady, an elderly lady. This
is years ago. We investigate her house. We came up
with nothing, but in her bathroom she found something on
the wall and she wanted us to come scrape it
off and have it tested, which we can't afford that obviously,
(47:35):
but oh, I'm going to be sick anyway.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
It was it was basically a snot ball.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
A snot like like she hit sneezed and it flew
across the room and.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Stuck to the ball.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, oh my god, that's a new one for me.
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
People don't realize, you know, sometimes we have to deal
with wacky stuff. You know, it's not all it's not
all fun and games and you're running up and down
the hallway in the dark, terrified or anything. Sometimes, you know,
people have weird things happen to them and they want
us to fix it.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah. I know for a fact that there are many
old houses that are damp and there's black mold, and
black mold actually you know, has spores that if if inhaled,
can actually cause hallucinations.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yes, And.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
You wouldn't believe the number of paranormal investigators that I've
talked to this about and they've had no idea what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Really.
Speaker 5 (48:48):
Yeah, no, these are that And that's the same kind
of stuff that we look for. Obviously, we look for
natural you know, natural phenomena like every you know, like
if they say every evening, say three o'clock in the afternoon,
my appliances in my kitchen go off. Well, why you know,
is there a power surgery lived by a power station?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Right?
Speaker 5 (49:11):
But stuff, But we'll look for mold and stuff too,
like if they say they see things or they're hearing things,
because we're looking for all kinds of natural occurring things
obviously first, anything that you're left with, you know, scratching
your head about, that's that's when we start to go, hm,
maybe there's something a little bit more to it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I actually believe that ectoplasm is the slime that mold
can create.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Maybe, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Okay, another question for you, yeah, Craig. Craig says, I've
got about three and a half minutes left. Has there
been an increase in paranormal reports and activity ever since
the use of G four and G five have been
implemented for the use of cell towers and sell communication,
(50:02):
as well as the increase in microwave not out here.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
I have heard, like like bigger cities that they're they're
saying an upswing, And I don't know if I don't
think it's an upswing in paranormal activity. I think people
are assuming that well. And you might know this if
you have an area with high EMF for instance, like
by your fuse box. Some people react to that. Some
(50:31):
people get rashes and hives. Some people here and see things,
and I'm thinking that that might be you know, they
might live by a cell tower or something and they
might pick up on that stuff that I you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Have you ever heard of paranormal investigator is using animals.
There's one lady who claims that she has a dog
that has been trained to detect paranormal activity.
Speaker 5 (51:02):
We don't use any of our animals, because I think
everybody on the team has animals.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I have heard of people using them.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
I think that's kind of a mean thing, because a
poor defense's animal doesn't know what you're going into.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Well, as a person, you do, and you know, and
maybe you know, I don't doubt that animals can sense
things that we can't. There's no doubt in my mind
about that. But at the same time, exposing them to
this stuff that I think is kind of cruel and unusual.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
To be honest with you, MO, what would you suggest
people do if, after listening to the show tonight, they
believe that their home or their business has paranormal activity.
Number One, if there is a spirit, should they face
or confront the spirit? Or should they call somebody like
(51:58):
yourselves to come in and actually I know what's going on.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
I always tell people because they they've back asked me
this before.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
H be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
Like they like people want to put out an audio
recorder or whatever, you might pick up something that you're
not ready to hear, you know, or see. Right, So
what I would what I would suggest, depending on where
they live, is look online for you know a reputable source,
i e. You know a paranormal investigative group, and you
have to vet us and what I'm saying us, I
(52:31):
mean like the entire paranormal community, because there are some
people that are in it just because it's fun and
they want to be scared and all this kind of
horse cock.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Co and I'm sure they can do more damage than good.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I'm sorry, quickly, quickly, oh real quick.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
When I was going to say that, I was when
you when you just said they do more damage and good.
You have to think about this because as a paranormal investigator,
if I say to somebody they're there's a demon in
your house.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
They're probably gonna believe me. So even if I'm lying,
they're gonna believe that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Mo times come when I have to say so long
to you, my friend. Thanks so much for joining us more.
Please send me that information to xxone inform x Zone
Nation if you'd like to contact Moe Miller and his group.
The name of their group is the Black Hill's Paranormal Investigations.
Their website is Black Hills Paranormal dot com and on
(53:28):
Facebook black Hills Paranormal Investigations. Thanks again, Moe, Thank you
for having me. Take care Rob. All right, we'll be
back on the other side of this break as our
number two of tonight's edition of the X Zone begins.
And you're listening to the X Zone on your hometown
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