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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
Rob vicconnell.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome back to the X and everyone. I am Rob McConnell,
coming to you from our broadcast Enterance Studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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Based in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, I'd like to send
me an email xon at x on Radio TV dot
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com and on all social media sites X Zone Radio TV.
Tonight we welcome journalist, author, and cultural explorer Maxim Frederick,
whose work takes us deep into the strange intersection of
rock and roll addiction, supernatural folklore, and regional legends. From
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the dark shadows of rock tragedies to the unexplained mysteries
of America's coal country. Maxim's voice is one that challenges
that arman explorers the fringes. Buckle up, ex Zone Nation,
It's going to be a rough ride and Maxim, Welcome
to the X Zone.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Rob, thank you so much. I really appreciate it, and
you know, everybody sort of gets the pronunciation wrong, but
it's Maxim Furic and I'm honored to be on your show.
And I've so many good things about the X Zone Radio.
So thank you and looking forward to, you know, to
speaking with your listeners there in Ontario.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All right, Maxim, For those who are unfamiliar with your work,
how would you describe your back ground and mission on
a researcher and author side.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, well, it's I don't know, it's kind of eclectic.
I think I've worn a couple of different pat rob
But my day job was I was a psychologist, but
specifically I worked in addictions. So I'm pretty well, you know,
fascinated and aware of the power of recovery. You know,
people that had been addicted for maybe for decades and
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decades and found a way out of that. And many
times I would ask these folks who were in recovery,
how did you get into recovery, And a lot of them,
I mean a lot of them would say, I don't know.
It was a miracle, and that is that they just
stopped using for whatever reason. It was a miracle. And
you know, so just you know, you could you could
take a look at that and put a label on that.
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That's just a pretty amazing thing. I really I dabbled
a lot in rock and roll journalism. I'm a baby boomer,
you know. You know, I've gone to tons of concerts.
I just love music, as so many of my peers do.
And I wrote a couple of books about rock and
roll that were very successful, and I would have stayed
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with that. In twenty sixteen, I wrote a book on
the Shepton mythology. And what I was doing rob I
was trying to write a book, a biography about the
song Timothy. Now in northeastern Pennsylvania, the highest charting song
that we had was in nineteen seventy one, and it
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was by a group called the Boys, and it was
called Timothy, and Timothy was about cannibalism and a mind shaft.
So I'm writing this book about Timothy and cannibalism and
its correlation with the true life Shepton. My disaster that
took place in nineteen sixty three, and here you had
three guys that were in tune for two weeks made
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international news. I mean it was just like a huge,
huge story. And when they were rescued and It was
a fascinating story abou humans arrival, but after they rescued,
they only got two guys, and then counts people when
to know what happened to your mate? What happened to
your buddy? And then as now there were rumors, unsubstantiated
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allegations of cannibalism. And so I wrote a book called
The shefton the Myths, miracle and music, about this human survival,
about the cannibalism, about the miracle of Pope John the
twenty third. One of the miners was Roman Catholic. He
claimed that Pope John the twenty third was in the
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mind with them for the two weeks and gave them
the hope that they were going to be saved. Here's
the thing. Pope John twenty third died in June of
nineteen sixty three. Shepton took place in August the sixty three.
In all three of Pope John the twenty third miracles,
his purported mirror, they all happened after he had died.
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It was an example of life after death. And the
miners went around to various luminaries and experts and researchers,
and one of whom was Elizabeth Koubler Ross. She was
down in Virginia and she was one of the leading
forward thinkers of the twentieth century. She wrote a book
called On Death and Dying that talked about the stages
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of grief. You know, when a loved one dies, we're angry,
and then we negotiate, you know, if you bring them back,
I'll be good, and how it changed my ways until
finally we get into that phase of acceptance. But Elizabeth
Koubler Ross interviewed the miners and she said, yes, this
is an example of life after death. So all of
those things, all those things happened. Very few people know
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about the Shepton tragedy, the Shepton mythology, and the thing
that gets me, I mean just just fascinates me to
know when the rescue technology that they developed and Shepton's
ani in nineteen sixty three was later used in twenty
ten at the Chilean Copper Mind disaster. You know, there
was a movie called the thirty Yeah, yeah, those thirty
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three guys were rescued by Shepton mining technology. And let
me just add this to the to the narrative if
I may. You know, we're talking about cannibalism and in
the thirty three they had rations. Now, there were several
books written about that is Chilean Copper Mind disaster, as
well as the movie. But there were books written and
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these miners had food stores. They had a little symbol
of milk, They had some tuna fish, and they had crackers.
They knew that at a certain point the food was
going to kick. It was wasn't going to be anything.
So they started to think what's plan be And some
of the leaders of the thirty three guys said that
maybe we need to resort to cannibalism. So, I mean,
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that's like just like a grotesque, ghoulish topic. Es. Part
of the yeah, you're agreeing with me. Yeah. Part of
the black humor though, was all of these guys were
from Chile except the one guy was from I believe
it was Uruguay. And so the black tumor was in case,
you know, the gallows humor, in case they had to
cannibalize anybody, the guy from Uruguay was going to get it.
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So that was written in the books. But Shepton, the
Shepton Mythology in twenty sixteen, nine years ago, opened up
the doors to me. And I'm going to say this,
I didn't go looking for the paranormal. You know, I
was into rock and roll and I was a successful
rock and roll journalist, and all of a sudden, I
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have this book on Shepton that opened up doors and
I'm getting invited to expos and podcasts and on and on,
and it was just like an amazing something, something was
being channeled through me. And again I didn't go looking
for it, it found me. So that was nine years ago.
So since then, and I know this is pretty long winded,
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it's very interesting, but since then, I wrote a bunch
of other books like Coal Region, Who Do? Which is
off the charts, and you know, I mean, I'm so
fortunate that as an author that I could have something
like the Shepton book and also Cole Region Who Do
that resonates and gets good marks and you know, and
some good things are happening. So that's me. I mean,
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I'm a writer. I love what I'm doing, and I
think what I'm trying to do for the paranormal is
just to help define what it is, help to look
at it through maybe an academic lens, and give it
some kind of validity rather than a lot of these
people that are out there that just I don't know
I mean they're almost like knuckle draggers. They don't do
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much to uplift the genre of the paranormal so that
we could get the respect that we need, you know,
from from the community, from the public, from the scientific
you know, establishments. So if I could, if I could
do some of that, that's fine, that's my my mission,
I guess, just to help define it a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Why do you think the scientific community is dragging its
heels when it comes to doing credible research into the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, part of the elitism, you know, that they know
more than we do. And let's face it, you know,
with all of us, even guys like me, I mean,
I love this stuff. I'm fascinated by it. I do
as much research and reading, you know, and talking you know,
discussions as I can to learn as much as I can.
But I don't have any kind of background in quantum
physics or biology, or zoology or astrophysics or anything. I mean,
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I'm you know, I'm not a scientist like that. I'm
a citizen scientist. And we all come to the tables, well,
very few of us are invited to the high table,
first of all, but we all come with one hand
tied behind our back because we don't have that background
that the scientists scientific community has, and we don't speak
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the language. And you know, even with a good example
David Grush when he testified in front of the Congressional hearings,
and let me see, it was July of twenty twenty three,
and I was amazed at his vocabulary. I mean, some
of the words he was talking about, the what was
they called the extra biologics, the exo biologics whatever, the
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humans and the crafts and all that. It was a
different language, but he knew that. And there's a term
called mystification. And for some people, they use mystification just
to bamboozle us. They use these five syllable words just
to confuse us and to make us think that they
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know more than we do. But it's it's a type
of abuse of power. And I don't know, I think
that with Grush. I'm really upset because back then, in
July of twenty twenty three, he said this, I know
where the bodies are, I know where the craft are,
and under the right circumstances, I will share this classified
information with the right people at the right time. Well,
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we've had plenty of time for him to go and
you know, tell us to show us cards, right, and
we haven't had that, so we have that, and I
think it was just it was just a tease. He
brought us to the brink and he gave us nothing.
The other thing, too, is that he talked about the
Mussolini's flying Saucer that Mussolini captured the craft, gave it
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to the Vatican, they gave it to us. So you know,
when all the research I've done is that that's just
a folklore. There's no nothing, nothing tangible, and nobody talks
about it. I mean there was any truth to that,
I mean, that would be on every newspaper and you know,
on page one on every newspaper. So you know, so grush,
I mean, I like what he did or I did
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at the time, but you know, the same thing happened
was what's the name Luis Alexandro November of twenty twenty four,
the same song and dance. I know where they are
then knows where they are? Well where are they? You know?
And so I'm just I have a headache, I'm discussed
that I'm up set and rob what I did? I mean,
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and I encourage all of your viewers to do the
same thing. Start writing letters to your representatives, your political representatives.
And when I was down in Florida, my wife and
I are snowbirds. We spend winters in Florida and summers
in Pennsylvania. But down in Florida, I wrote letters to
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all of these politicians that were involved in the congressional hearings.
There were six of them, and the only one who
wrote back was Marco Rubio, who at the time was
a senator. Now he's Secretary of State. But he wrote
me back, and I and my letter was this was
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just that let's encourage people like David Grush to show
the cars, tell us what he knows. So and that
was And then in the meantime, Senator Marco Rubio became
Secretary of State, and then I lost my contact, my
only contact.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So all right, stand by week, stand by place. We've
got to take a break into exponation. I'll be back
with our guests this hour. Maxim Merk on the other
side of this break, So whatever, you don't go away.
I'm Rob McConnell. This is the X Zone. You're listening
to us on the Talk Star Radio network. Mutual broadcast Network,
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Speaker 2 (14:59):
A fine Welcome back to me going. Maxim Murrik is
our guest of this hour, and his website is Maxim Mrrick.
I'm sorry, Matric.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's Maxim Spirit. If you are a Maxim.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Spirit, all right, I apologize for that. Okay, So What
was it that that was the final straw in convincing
you to become this, this writer of the macabre, this
investigator of the paranormal, the person who questions the the whistleblowers.
And what was it? What was that one event that
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pushed you?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I think, you know, I'm like everybody else. I
think you and I, you know, we don't know each other,
but I think that maybe we're motivated by the same thing.
I think a lot of us human beings are we
there's a bit of that Indiana Jones and all of us.
And I think we need to find that holy grail.
We need to climb the mountain. So there's just that
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that that wonder us. You know that we have to
do that. And I think the combination of fear and
curiosity is what sort of gets it done. And even
though we're afraid of some of these things, you know, uh,
the moss to the flame, you know, the rat to
the cheese, the spider watching the fly, I mean all
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of this. I mean we're fascinated by that flame, by
the darkness, and we have to explore it. And I
think that are innate human curiosity. And again, this is
my trying to answer your question, Rob, But I think
curiosity is the driving force. And I think that maybe
with people like doctors and scientists and those explorers, I
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think that maybe that curiosity gene, maybe they're they have
just a little bit more of that DNA, you know,
that curiosity thing that than the rest of us. I mean,
it's a driving hunger that they need to go and satisfy.
And with me, I'm just fascinated by all aspects of
the paranormal. Uh, certainly uithology, cryptozoology, and more than anything else, demonology.
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I just think that it's just fascinating. Uh, you know,
I want to learn more and and and it's nothing unusual.
I mean, I'm like a whole lot of other people.
So that's what gets me in here. And I you know,
I mean i could easily write books about rock and roll,
but I'd rather write about the paranormal because that, you know,
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just gets my attention, It holds my interests and uh
and you know, and and it motivates me. So that's
you know, I'm currently writing a book on the Schmurl
haunting and in the if you're familiar with the Conjuring franchise, Yeah,
the next Okay, the next installment someone it's called Last Rites,
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and that's about the Schmurrol haunting in West Pittston, Pennsylvania,
that took place in the nineteen eighties. And that's in
my backyard. And I had an opportunity to meet Ed
and Lorraine Warrem in nineteen eighty eight, So I hung
out with him, took pictures, interviewed him, and then stayed
in touch with them over the years. And I would
call Ed and ask him how he did battle with
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demonic forces, and he would go and explain it to me.
But you know, they were very nice people, very respectful.
They sort of held my hand and walked me through
this thing. And you know, so I just, you know,
I'm interested in all this and these topics, and I'm
fascinated by them, and you know, and I guess I
showed that fascination through my word, through my research and
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my books, and that's you know, that's sort of who
I am and what makes me tech.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Why do you think that the coal area of Pennsylvania
is so so rich with haunted stories and stories of
people long gone by?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, Well, you know, my book Cole Region Whodoo talks
about the paranormal aspects of the Pennsylvania North East East,
especially places like Shepton or Centralia. You know, the Cursed Hand,
where there's maybe five people living there. You know, the
Catholic priest put a curse on the town so that
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at the end of the day the only thing left
standing will be the same ignacious church. And in nineteen
sixty two, I believe they were having a festival and
they threw trash down int this mind pit and started
to burn it. Well it's burned. It's still burning, you know,
since nineteen sixty two. Yeah, Centralia, and they made what
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was a Silent Hill. There was a couple of horror
movies based on Centralia, but that's in my backyard as
well as Shepton. You know, a whole lot of things.
And I wrote this coregion who do mainly because I
was upset. I was frustrated that all of the paranormal
books about Pennsylvania are for the most part about Gettysburg
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and the lost ghosts that are wandering, you know, looking
for their homes, looking for their spouses, you know, whatever
they're looking for, or or they're about Lancaster and the
White Witches and the heck signs and you know, cases
of of a farmer putting a hex on the other
farmer's cow so wouldn't give milk or whatever, any crazy
stuff like that. But you know, I felt we had
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more things going in the Pennsylvania coal region and also
in western Pennsylvania in a crazy place called Chestnut Ridge,
which has the most not only Bigfoot sidings, but bigfoot
in connection with UFOs. Really yeah, and we know this.
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There's a guy named Stan Gordon, and Stan Gordon is
sort of like the keeper of the key. He's been
doing this for decades. He was there when we had
the Kecksburg UFO in let me see, December ninth of
nineteen sixty five, something came down and they conjectured that
it was either ours or it was a Soviet probe venus,
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or it was a flying saucer. And now the latest
in the Techsburg. You know, mythology now is that it
was the glock. It was the German time machine, this
bell that went from the nineteen thirties over to Pennsylvania
in nineteen sixty five. So a lot of books being
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written about that, a lot of paranormal people talking about
the bell. But that's western Pennsylvania and this guy Stan Gordon.
Whenever the Pennsylvania State Police out that way get a
call about a cryptid, about a dog man or a
bigfoot fighting, they'll say, call Stan Gordon, here's his phone number.
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And so Stan gets all this stuff and he writes
these books and in his books, his books are very dry,
you know, it's like like looking at like watching the
wallpaper peel. But he has the data and a typical
entry in one of his books would be like a
farmer and missus Brown went out to the barn at
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six o'clock at night to feed the cow, and they
saw this cryptid emerging from an orb. And there's numerous
documented cases like that where Stan Gordon will go and
talk about where it happened, when it happened, and describe it.
For me, my connection was Stan. I've known him for years.
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But a couple of years ago, my neighbor told me
that he saw two bigfoot creatures in our hometown. We
live in a tiny little mountain community called Macanaqua. And Joe,
my neighbors saw, who's a level headed guy, he's a
medical supervisor, a medical technician guy, and saw these two
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bigfoot creatures. One there was cynamon one was black, one
was bigger than the other. And when I interviewed him
numerous times, he said that they didn't look scared, they
look curious. They looked at him, and then they walked
away like humans. So I called Stan Gordon and gave
stand that report, and then stand called Joe and major
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it official. So again that's just to get it entered
into the into the narrative that we're fortunate in this
part of Pennsylvania that at least we have somebody that's
keeping those documents, because frankly, there's not one center, not
one resource, not one organization that does this. So what
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we have in Pennsylvania is pretty outstanding. And in keeping
with that thought, they claim that in the United States,
the four leading states as far as bigfoot sightings are California, Washington,
and then either either Pennsylvania with Dickfood or Florida with
the Skunk Ape. And you know, I reside in both those,
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you know, Pennsylvania and Florida. So you know, I look,
I go hiking, I go in the swamps and the
mountains and haven't seen anything yet, but you know, I'm
still looking.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
How come with all these sightings, nobody has any concrete evidence.
You know, have a good photograph, how about a cadaver
of a Bigfoot? How about something that proves the existence
of this picture of this creature. Except you know, let
me see the Gimmlin Patterson film novel. Let's scratch that
one off. You know, the list goes on around the
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same within the UFO community, the alien abduction, all these stories,
but when it comes to physical evidence, there never seems
to be any right.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Well, you know, the with Bigfoot, there's no carcass, there's
no DNA. All we have and I consider this to
be the Holy Girl, but all we have is that
Patterson Gimlin film from nineteen sixty seven. Same thing with UFOs.
You know, nothing, nothing that's good. All we have is
the two thousand and I think four limits United States
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Navy film of the TikTok video that went back and
forth and then hovered and then went under the under
the water.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And even the tic TAC is under scrutiny now because
of alligations made by the company that built the avionics.
You know that there could have been an air in that.
It's either the what was the what was the race?
There was either a problem with the technical aspect of
the avionic or the computer attachment giving a false image. Yeah,
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didn't look like a false image to me.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, we can't. Yeah, we can't get anything the with
with Bigfoot, you know, with the carcass. They talked about
the carcasses. But down in Florida there was I remember
a while back there was a dead a wild pig
that was on the side of the rod got hit
by a car and it was there for about two weeks,
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And it took two weeks for the turkey buzzards and
the parasites and everything to break it down in the elements,
two weeks before it came down. So I would assume that,
you know, a creature in the deep woods without cars
going back and forth, we would probably have more predators,
you know, you know, breaking breaking it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Down, didn't that didn't that pig still have its bones?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I forget. I just drove by it. I mean, it
seems to me that everything was sort of pulverized. You know,
maybe there were I don't know, I don't know, but
you know, they probably ate the bone marrow. There's stuff
in the in the bone marrow, right there is the Yeah,
the people that go out looking for Bigfoot, they hang
their hat on just maybe five things. They have eyewitness
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reports that they've seen, uh, these these cryptids. They have
the smell, you know, this horrible uh fecal odor, rotten egg,
wet dog smell that seems to.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Be Listen, we're going to have to pull a We're
gonna have to pull a cliffhanger here, got to take
my break the hour, So explanation. If you'd like to
find out more about our guests, visit his website. All right,
do you have your pencils and papers ready? A's my friends,
Maxim Furrick dot com. I'm Rob McConnell. This is the
X On Maxim and I will be back continuing our
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conversation about bigfoot, things that could bump in the night,
the paranormal UFOs, aliens, and who knows what else. Don't
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In a quiet town called Carrotman, near the River's Gentle Call,
lived a woman with a light so pure she gave
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folk from far off London Lands. My mother, my friend,
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She was a guardian.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Maxim Firk is our guest. This our exhanation, and Maxim,
what is your favorite genre is? If there was one genre,
would you say that it is Bigfoot? Compared to the
other aspects of the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Not at all. Now. I think demonology would be the
the thing that you know that you know just rings
my bell. I've done a couple of presentations on what
I call Catholic Catholic mysticism, and I talk about, you know, exorcism,
the right of exorcism, miracles, guardian angels, you know, like
your song, your leading song, and Saint Teresa of Avila,
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the seventeenth century Spanish mystic that claimed that through prayer
and meditation we could reach states of rapture and ecstasy
and what Saint Tresa called flight of the soul and
an actual out of body experience. And the miners there
in Shepton experiences out of body experience several time. So
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really that's one thing that fascinates me. And then the
other one is the story about padre Peele. And padre
Peele was he's a saint now, but he was a
priest over in Italy, and he bled the wounds of
Christ and people started to come there just to see him,
you know, I mean, you had these gawkers. I mean,
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they wanted him to hear their confession, but they also
wanted to see these wounds. So the Vatican they didn't
know what to do with this guy, because I mean,
it's like a circus and thing out of hand. So
they wrapped his wrists with gauze and they watched it
for like six seven days and then took the gauze off.
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They were looking to prove that padre Peele was just
as human as you were, eyes that there would be
signs of scabbing, of healing, and there weren't. They took
off the gaus and he was still bleeding, So that
was one thing. And again the Vaticann't couldn't understand it.
They thought that here was this guy, a con artist
that had convinced thousands of people that his delusions were accurate.
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So he had the stigmata, but he also had a
thing called bylocation and padre peel. It's been documented with
two places at the same time. And we know this
because he would be at an opera with other brothers
and priests and cardinals and that, and then he would
be someplace else, maybe one hundred miles away another function
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scene physically seen by all these other people. So it's
called bylocation. And it's not the first time we've heard
of bylocation of another people that have that. But you know,
when you talk about the realm of mysticism, and you know,
I think that some of these mystics, some of these
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saints have been given abilities through God. You know, they
say all three things through God. You know that they
can perform miracles that they could do by location, that
they could levitate. But even in the cases of Saint
Teresa of Babyla and also padre Peal, along the journey,
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they suffered, they were castigated and put down, and they
weren't believed. So, I mean, how would it be to
be working miracles and to be you know, talking to
people and trying to you know, talk about love and
faith when you have the higher ups, you know, the
executive the administrators saying that you're a con artist. So
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he padre Peal, had to deal with that. But an
amazing individual. And padre Pele said this, He said that
the power of the devil is tremendous, but he goes,
I go to the Blessed Mother for strength. And you know,
in Catholicism we have a lot of folks like that,
like even Ed Warren. When Ed did demonic battle, he
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would invoke the spirit of Jesus Christ, of Saint Michael
the Arcane, you'll and padre Peel to do battle. So
you know, you pickure your saint, you pick your you know,
the whatever, and I mean, whatever you do. You know,
they say that, you know, what you need to do
is just fill your heart with God's grace and uh,
you know, and uh, you know, I've been warned about
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getting too close to the to the darkness, you know,
to the demonic and I don't think that, you know,
I mean, I view this as a as an academic.
I mean, you like to read about it, write about it,
but I you know, I'm not tempted. You know, there's
a certain progression where there's temptation and then possession and
then well let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Let me ask you about possession. How much of possession
is fact and other is you know, mind over matter?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well I don't know, but I mean if if if
you're tempted to do bad, if you're tempted to have
an affair, to cheat on your wife, you know, I mean,
you know, that'd be the first thing. I think with
some of these people that are into this hardcore I
think what it is, I mean, and forget about the
word evil. I think it's like a hedonistic thing. Like
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I think a lot of them feel that they can
make a bargain with the devil so that they could
live a life of hedonism. They could have any pleasure
they want, any carnal pleasure, you know, you know, any
any drug induced pleasure. So I think that may be it.
I think that that hedonism, you know, without any self control,
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you know, is one thing that you know, I mean,
I don't think you need the devil to do that,
you know, because the temptations there, the ability to do
that there. I mean, if you want to go and
you know, live your life like that, I mean, you
could do that. But I was in let me see
that was I think it was May twenty sixth. We were
out in Butler, Pennsylvania for the Butler Paranormal Conference, and
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I was one of the guest speakers, which it was
just at a great time there. I met a lot
of people. But on the same bill were the Psychic
Vincent Sisters and so the Psychic Vincent says, these Catholic girls,
they were talking about finding missing people for the police
and you know, tracking down killers and all that. So
there's they're talking and all of a sudden, this guy
(35:09):
in this front Rowe stands up and he gave the
story and here he was a ghost hunter. He went
out to these mentalist former mental institutions and prisons by
himself looking for demons. One night he was attacked by
something he thought it was a demon. His chest was
ripped up and he showed photographs pictures on his iPhone
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and also his eye was just hanging out. Was just
like gouged out and it was just amazing. And the
psychic Vincent's sisters thought it was a case of possession
where he was stalked by this demon and then they
possessed him, you know, they infested him. But they said
that the only way out of that is through a
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whole lot of holy water and a crucifix and you know,
fill your your heart with God's grace and then get
rid of that, you know, that darkness. I mean, this
is what they said that. I told those pictures they
were scary, they were scary, and you know, I you know,
I'm a belief I believe that there's a realm, a
demonic realm. I believe the devil exists. And I think
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a lot of people think it's sort of a fairy tale.
It's it's it's folklore. It's a means of scaring kids
so that you know, if you don't say your prayers,
if you don't go to church, the devil is going
to get you.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well, you know, I think any parent that uses that
needs to be shot. You threatening that nothing peeves me off.
Then to see a child to get abuse psychologically or
or physically.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yes, well, take a look at all those fairy tales. Yea,
and what's the uh, what's the German thing at Christmas?
Who's that little bad guy that the crumpet? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I've seen pictures that that's terrifying. I mean, god,
you know, I mean that's for kids. Yeah, to show
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a kid that, you know, I mean, come on, you know,
but I'll tell you, I don't know how it is
in Canada the rabbit in the United States. And I
think this goes along with a conversation. We had laws
in the United States to protect animals before we had
laws in the States to protect children. Children were just
they were like furniture, they were like cattle. You know,
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they were allowed in northeastern Pennsylvania. This is our sin,
but part of our legacy. They sent these little breaker
boys down into the minds to work. I mean, these
little kids that were seven, eight, nine, ten years old.
I mean, what a horrific, horrific crime. And you know
when we did that back here, So you know, that's
just a disgusting part of our history that a lot
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of us don't talk a lot about.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, it was you, it was your Secretary of the
guy who's responsible for immigration. What's his name. Anyway, he
said the other day, he said, when we get rid
of all the immigrants, we're going to put the children
in the old people to work in the fields.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Oh god, I mean, I hate what's going on here.
I know, I know, I don't think you have a
political program, but uh, I'm one American that does not
approve of this current administration and distuggery. And we don't
want Canada to be our fifty first state and it's
never going to be. We love Canadians, we respect Canadians,
you know, and just I hope your listeners hear that
(38:18):
and know that, of course. Okay, well I hope so
I rarely have a chance to have this conversation, but
you know, we we I'll tell you what. It's a juggernaut.
We didn't see it happening. And democracy is fragile. It
didn't take much for Trump to put together a coalition
and just steamroll us.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I mean, well, he had four years to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yep. Yeah, he got he got his ducks in orders.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But I think there's a few I think there's a
few surprises he wasn't expecting, including Elon Mosk and and
how that relationship is it's working out.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, well we'll wait to see Elon watching his p's
and q's. You know, yeah, you know, you know, but
there it's I don't know what it's like to be
at the top. I mean, these are billionaires, you know,
they got they there, They have their privileged you know,
so I can't. I don't speak that language, and I
don't wear those clothes, and you know, I don't know
that I don't. That's another another side of town.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And I think they're just like us. The moment they're
conceived is the moment they start to die.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, well that's all of us. And
but but anyway, getting away from politics, but I have
a book coming out published by Hangar one. It's called
Paranormal Apocalypse. This how it is, This how it ends,
And maybe in April or in August when it comes out,
maybe we could do a revisit if you're interested. You know,
(39:46):
I would love to Paranormal Apocalypse is this How it
talks about fear and H. P. Lovecraft said that fear
is the most elemental, the most basic emotion that man has,
and fear of the unknown is the most powerful. And
I talk about keeping people afraid. Religious groups keeping us
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a prayed political groups society. We have a whole bunch
of people that are just walking in line like lemmings
following you know, they're the herd over the over the cliffs.
So there's a lot of people that don't use critical thinking,
rational thinking, common sense. They just follow the crowd. And
we're in a bit of a mess. So I don't know.
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I mean, if you want a totalitarian state like George
orwell talked.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
All right, hold on, hold on here, hold on, I've
got to take my final break. Let's come back with that. Okay, Yeah,
when it comes to kids that oh that, that's another show,
another topic for another time. Explanation. Our guess this hour
is Maxim Firk Firk and we'll be back as we
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Speaker 2 (42:01):
Welcome back every one. Maxim for Rick is our guest
to this hour, and Maxim before we went to the break,
a couple of segments ago, we were talking about the
Patterson Gimlin film up sixty seven. What is your take
on it?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, I think it's authentic. Of all the things we
have out there, you know, the photographs and the videos,
and we don't have a whole lot of authentic videos
even in this day and age of AI. But from
the Patterson Gimlin film from sixty seven to me is
something that's valid. It's only fifty eight seconds and Patterson
and Gimlin were going they were riding their horses. They
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had three horses up in northern California. They were going
to make a documentary to make money to do an
expedition to find Bigfoot. So they're going around the creek
bed and they see a female bigfoot that they later
called Patty. But Patty looks at Patterson and then takes off,
(42:58):
and as she looked at Patterson, his horse rears. He
starts falling off the horse. He reaches into the saddle
bag for the camera and start shooting, and behind him,
Gimlin's horses are also doing the same thing, and he's
you know, they're rearing and bucking and he's falling off.
But what happened was John Napier was a British paleontologist
(43:22):
that was working at the Smithsonian, so in nineteen seventy
two he was allowed to take a look at the
Patterson Gimlin film and they viewed it numerous times. He
had a number of scientists there with him, including a
bunch of scientists from Russia, and Russia was a lot
more keen on Sasquatch and the bounderable snowman in Almus,
(43:45):
you know, the yetti and all that. I mean, they
believed in that. They put money behind it as far
as expeditions. But Napier took a look at it and
he said, no, it's not it's a fake. And the
reason he said it was fake. Was this? He said
that Past had an upper body like an ape and
the bottom like a hominid, had walked like a human.
(44:05):
He said that Patterson Gimlin just cobble together some basic
elements of a man and an ape. And so going
on that premise, Napier said that was a fake. So
that was nineteen seventy two. In nineteen seventy four, a
bunch of guys were over there in Ethiopia and they
discovered Lucy. This was austrolopithecus. Right, It was like me
(44:27):
maybe yeah, maybe like three and a half four foot tall.
They named Austriopithecus Lucy after the Beatles Loucy in the
sky with diamonds. So that night these researchers got drunk
and they played the beetles and it was just like,
you know, a moment of red letter day in history.
But when John Napier heard about this in nineteen seventy four,
(44:50):
he said, wait a second, He goes, I was wrong.
He goes, Lucy has an upper body like an ape,
you know, so it could climb trees and everything, you know,
you know, the strength, and has the bottom like a hominide.
It walked on two feet. So Napier believed that the
Patterson Gimlin film was authentic. It took him a couple
(45:12):
of years to come around to that. But this was
you know, Rob you asked earlier, why hasn't the scientific
community come around exactly, Well, in seventy four they did.
They came up with information that helped validate, you know,
the Patterson Gimlin film, and they did this with Lucy.
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So it was kind of neat how this happened, I mean,
from sixty seven to seventy four. But you know, I
think that this, this was, this is good when this happened.
And for a lot of us who think there's nothing
new under the sun, you know, keep in mind that
I believe it was January of this year, January of
twenty twenty five, there was this gigantic glacier. It was
(45:57):
the site of the Sights of Chicago that cat It
broke off and started to float. There was a bunch
of oceanographers there on a ship about an hour away
from it, and they happened to be at the right
place at the right time. They went over there and
their ship and they sent these underwater robots down there
to see what was there. Now, this glacier had been
(46:20):
there for either hundreds or thousands of years. I mean,
we don't know, but they didn't expect. They don't know
what they were going to find there. But they found
jellyfish that were larger than anything that we've seen. And
they weren't quite sure. I don't know what they came
up with now, but they weren't quite sure what the
what was keeping these creatures under there alive, you know,
(46:41):
if it was like the plankton going down there. But
they weren't quite sure, and they thought that there's a
possibility that there was another life source and another undiscovered
life source that might have been there. So again, I
haven't heard much more about that other than that glacier
was being tracked and it's melting and all that. But
(47:02):
just pretty interesting stuff. So that was, you know, that
just happened in January, and I find that amazing, and
I mean there's still mysteries being I guess solved or
being presented, and you know, and even the thing that
I get excited about are some of the Mars Mars
probes that they're finding what they believe are canals. They
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believe that there were there was water there on Mars,
and they believe that there was civilizations there on Mars,
you know, not you know, three weeks ago, but maybe
millions and millions of years ago, So there was They
believe that life existed on Mars at one time.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
So so do you think we do you think we
should go back to Mars? Do you think we should
colonize Mars and dead planet?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well? I don't know, I mean, I got you know,
I don't know how we would get there and how
we would be able to sustain that. And I don't
know how would we we would be able to go
and keep people alive. I mean that would take a
whole lot of planning and uh, you know, resources and
all that. So but if we could do that, if
we could, yeah, I think so I think we should we.
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I think we should go and do that. I think that,
you know, that's our destiny. We go out and we
explore and uh you know, uh you know, we go
into those uncharted uh waters and territory. So you know,
that's that's what we do. And uh you know, I
mean I think that's the exciting thing. And and and
this is what what this is what differentiates us from
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from the animals. I mean, we have more DNA, we
have more brain cells, we have more of an ability
to think and create and imagine and to do all
that stuff. And certainly like uh you know, uh, you know,
apes can communicate and apes can use tools, and they
could do different things, and they could solve uh uh,
(48:49):
you know, problems, and they could communicate like a three
year old as Jane Goodall good All toll tall to us.
But but still they're not human beings, and we have
the edge. I mean, just we just have it all.
It's just it's that brain power that gives us more
cognition and spirituality, and that's what makes man different. You know,
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We're more spiritual and more cognitive. Although although down here
in the States, not everybody uses that you know, uses
their DNA or their you know, to the best advantage.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
One quick question for you, as as a journalist and
a futurist yourself, where do you think pop culture is headed?
Are we embracing mystery more? Are we losing touch with it?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
No? I think it's it's a therapeutic thing. And paranormal
paranormal apocalypse. I have a term called apocalyptic awe, and
that's how we look at fear through fascination, and we
look at fear through the eyes of fascination through movies, films,
music and all that. So by doing that, we conquer
the monster, you know, the ogre that's in the closet
(49:57):
or the monster under the bed. So we could bunker
those fears, you know, through this apocalyptic awe by transforming
it into something as something of wonder and curiosity. And again,
you know my premise that you know that that that
that that combination of fear and curiosity is pretty much
our chemistry, you know that, and it's what we do
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as kids. But I think it's at what we this
is I think what keeps us young, you know, that
combination of fear and curiosity, just to be curious about
the world rather than just laying on the couch and
you know, using the remote and just like letting the
world go by. And I mean, if you're curious and inquisitive,
you know you're gonna ask questions and you're gonna you're
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gonna find answers. So I think that's the that's the key.
But no, I think pop culture is so much a
part of all of this. I mean, especially when you
look at the realm of uiphology, you know, and when
you take a look at Roswell, I mean you look
at what we know about Roswell and what we think
we know. I mean, it's just like an amazing thing.
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I mean, it's the Roswell mythology, and that's what it is.
I mean, we don't have little alien bodies and we
don't have spacecraft. I mean, we have people that claim that,
like Bubb Lazarre claims that they know where they are.
You know that, you know that we haven't. We don't
have any. Yeah, and even what's his name, Jimi Moussan,
you know, he had the aliens down there in Mexico City.
(51:22):
He car them, carted them out and said that these
were alien creatures from Peru and all that, and that
wasn't true, you know. I mean, I mean it's a
fascinating journey and it's a fascinating topic. But we have
a whole lot of hoaxers out there that are just
looking for their fifteen minutes of fame, and I hate that.
I mean, that's just it's disrespects our paranormal genre.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
What's your take on the new paranorma tourism industry?
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Well, I'm I'm to blame you. I just went down
to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania for the Devils on the Run tour
and Annabelle the Curse Dahl was there. So, uh, I
paid my forty bucks and my wife paid hers and
we saw annabel and we met some people. But you know,
it was pretty cool. I mean I wanted to see that,
and uh it's almost like going to a Carney show,
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you know, paying your money to go.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
See the the the War for the.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
But I mean it was, you know, it was, it was.
It was a good I mean, I enjoyed Gettysburg. It's
a great town, and I liked the experience, and you know,
I'm just glad I went there for the experience, you know,
I mean, not for anything else. And but but there
were a ton of people there. And Annabelle's been in
I think three conjuring movies and has recognition and that,
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but also has a notoriety because let me see, Annabelle
was at the War in a cult museum in Monroe, Connecticut.
Lorraine before she passed, wanted it to be kept there
under lock and key, and it's in this wooden case
that has crosses carved into it. Has the Lord's prayer
in the back of it. It's embedded or imbued with
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holy water and holy oil, so you know, the priest
blesses it every so often, just to keep it in check.
But Tony Spira, the Warren's son in law, he took
the doll on the road Annabel, and when it was
down in New Orleans, got this. When it was down
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in New Orleans, they had a plantation fire, they had
the jail break. Ten guys took off from the Oh.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Mean right around the time that Annabel was down there.
So I mean, I don't know what that means, but
I mean, you know, it's either coincidence or something else.
I mean, you tell me, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
I don't know. I'm a guy who likes to see
the evidence before I make a conclusion. Max, I want
to thank you ever so much for joining us tonight.
It's been a great pleasure. Let our listeners know how
they can find more about you and where they can
get your books.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, for sure, Yeah listen. If you're interested in any
books by Maxim W. Furick, paranormal author, you could check
out my website which is www dot Maximfuric dot com.
And I'd be glad to go and get you autographed
cap a copy of any of my books. Or if
it be easier for you to go to Amazon and
give Jeff Bezos the billionaire, some of your money, then
(54:25):
you could do that too and go to Amazon. But
check out some of the books co Reach and Hudoo,
the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, Chefton, Flying Saucer, Esolteric, I
got a bunch of them. But again, Maxim W. Furick
and that's f R e K.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
All right, Max, Rob, take care of my Hey, we'll
speak to you in August when the new book comes out.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
That sounds good. Yeah, thank you so much for the invite.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You take care of my friend. By now, all right, explanation.
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Oh, Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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Tonight we welcome journalist, author, and cultural explorer Maxim Frederick,
whose work takes us deep into the strange intersection of
rock and roll addiction, supernatural folklore, and regional legends. From
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the dark shadows of rock tragedies to the unexplained mysteries
of America's coal country. Maxim's voice is one that challenges
that arman explorers the fringes. Buckle up, ex Zone Nation,
It's going to be a rough ride and Maxim, Welcome
to the X Zone.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Rob, thank you so much. I really appreciate it, and
you know, everybody sort of gets the pronunciation wrong, but
it's Maxim Furic and I'm honored to be on your show.
And I've so many good things about the X Zone Radio.
So thank you and looking forward to, you know, to
speaking with your listeners there in Ontario.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All right, Maxim, For those who are unfamiliar with your work,
how would you describe your back ground and mission on
a researcher and author side.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, well, it's I don't know, it's kind of eclectic.
I think I've worn a couple of different pat rob
But my day job was I was a psychologist, but
specifically I worked in addictions. So I'm pretty well, you know,
fascinated and aware of the power of recovery. You know,
people that had been addicted for maybe for decades and
(02:30):
decades and found a way out of that. And many
times I would ask these folks who were in recovery,
how did you get into recovery, And a lot of them,
I mean a lot of them would say, I don't know.
It was a miracle, and that is that they just
stopped using for whatever reason. It was a miracle. And
you know, so just you know, you could you could
take a look at that and put a label on that.
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That's just a pretty amazing thing. I really I dabbled
a lot in rock and roll journalism. I'm a baby boomer,
you know. You know, I've gone to tons of concerts.
I just love music, as so many of my peers do.
And I wrote a couple of books about rock and
roll that were very successful, and I would have stayed
(03:13):
with that. In twenty sixteen, I wrote a book on
the Shepton mythology. And what I was doing rob I
was trying to write a book, a biography about the
song Timothy. Now in northeastern Pennsylvania, the highest charting song
that we had was in nineteen seventy one, and it
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was by a group called the Boys, and it was
called Timothy, and Timothy was about cannibalism and a mind shaft.
So I'm writing this book about Timothy and cannibalism and
its correlation with the true life Shepton. My disaster that
took place in nineteen sixty three, and here you had
three guys that were in tune for two weeks made
(03:55):
international news. I mean it was just like a huge,
huge story. And when they were rescued and It was
a fascinating story abou humans arrival, but after they rescued,
they only got two guys, and then counts people when
to know what happened to your mate? What happened to
your buddy? And then as now there were rumors, unsubstantiated
(04:21):
allegations of cannibalism. And so I wrote a book called
The shefton the Myths, miracle and music, about this human survival,
about the cannibalism, about the miracle of Pope John the
twenty third. One of the miners was Roman Catholic. He
claimed that Pope John the twenty third was in the
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mind with them for the two weeks and gave them
the hope that they were going to be saved. Here's
the thing. Pope John twenty third died in June of
nineteen sixty three. Shepton took place in August the sixty three.
In all three of Pope John the twenty third miracles,
his purported mirror, they all happened after he had died.
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It was an example of life after death. And the
miners went around to various luminaries and experts and researchers,
and one of whom was Elizabeth Koubler Ross. She was
down in Virginia and she was one of the leading
forward thinkers of the twentieth century. She wrote a book
called On Death and Dying that talked about the stages
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of grief. You know, when a loved one dies, we're angry,
and then we negotiate, you know, if you bring them back,
I'll be good, and how it changed my ways until
finally we get into that phase of acceptance. But Elizabeth
Koubler Ross interviewed the miners and she said, yes, this
is an example of life after death. So all of
those things, all those things happened. Very few people know
(05:47):
about the Shepton tragedy, the Shepton mythology, and the thing
that gets me, I mean just just fascinates me to
know when the rescue technology that they developed and Shepton's
ani in nineteen sixty three was later used in twenty
ten at the Chilean Copper Mind disaster. You know, there
was a movie called the thirty Yeah, yeah, those thirty
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three guys were rescued by Shepton mining technology. And let
me just add this to the to the narrative if
I may. You know, we're talking about cannibalism and in
the thirty three they had rations. Now, there were several
books written about that is Chilean Copper Mind disaster, as
well as the movie. But there were books written and
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these miners had food stores. They had a little symbol
of milk, They had some tuna fish, and they had crackers.
They knew that at a certain point the food was
going to kick. It was wasn't going to be anything.
So they started to think what's plan be And some
of the leaders of the thirty three guys said that
maybe we need to resort to cannibalism. So, I mean,
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that's like just like a grotesque, ghoulish topic. Es. Part
of the yeah, you're agreeing with me. Yeah. Part of
the black humor though, was all of these guys were
from Chile except the one guy was from I believe
it was Uruguay. And so the black tumor was in case,
you know, the gallows humor, in case they had to
cannibalize anybody, the guy from Uruguay was going to get it.
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So that was written in the books. But Shepton, the
Shepton Mythology in twenty sixteen, nine years ago, opened up
the doors to me. And I'm going to say this,
I didn't go looking for the paranormal. You know, I
was into rock and roll and I was a successful
rock and roll journalist, and all of a sudden, I
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have this book on Shepton that opened up doors and
I'm getting invited to expos and podcasts and on and on,
and it was just like an amazing something, something was
being channeled through me. And again I didn't go looking
for it, it found me. So that was nine years ago.
So since then, and I know this is pretty long winded,
(07:59):
it's very interesting, but since then, I wrote a bunch
of other books like Coal Region, Who Do? Which is
off the charts, and you know, I mean, I'm so
fortunate that as an author that I could have something
like the Shepton book and also Cole Region Who Do
that resonates and gets good marks and you know, and
some good things are happening. So that's me. I mean,
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I'm a writer. I love what I'm doing, and I
think what I'm trying to do for the paranormal is
just to help define what it is, help to look
at it through maybe an academic lens, and give it
some kind of validity rather than a lot of these
people that are out there that just I don't know
I mean they're almost like knuckle draggers. They don't do
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much to uplift the genre of the paranormal so that
we could get the respect that we need, you know,
from from the community, from the public, from the scientific
you know, establishments. So if I could, if I could
do some of that, that's fine, that's my my mission,
I guess, just to help define it a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Why do you think the scientific community is dragging its
heels when it comes to doing credible research into the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, part of the elitism, you know, that they know
more than we do. And let's face it, you know,
with all of us, even guys like me, I mean,
I love this stuff. I'm fascinated by it. I do
as much research and reading, you know, and talking you know,
discussions as I can to learn as much as I can.
But I don't have any kind of background in quantum
physics or biology, or zoology or astrophysics or anything. I mean,
(09:37):
I'm you know, I'm not a scientist like that. I'm
a citizen scientist. And we all come to the tables, well,
very few of us are invited to the high table,
first of all, but we all come with one hand
tied behind our back because we don't have that background
that the scientists scientific community has, and we don't speak
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the language. And you know, even with a good example
David Grush when he testified in front of the Congressional hearings,
and let me see, it was July of twenty twenty three,
and I was amazed at his vocabulary. I mean, some
of the words he was talking about, the what was
they called the extra biologics, the exo biologics whatever, the
(10:21):
humans and the crafts and all that. It was a
different language, but he knew that. And there's a term
called mystification. And for some people, they use mystification just
to bamboozle us. They use these five syllable words just
to confuse us and to make us think that they
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know more than we do. But it's it's a type
of abuse of power. And I don't know, I think
that with Grush. I'm really upset because back then, in
July of twenty twenty three, he said this, I know
where the bodies are, I know where the craft are,
and under the right circumstances, I will share this classified
information with the right people at the right time. Well,
(11:05):
we've had plenty of time for him to go and
you know, tell us to show us cards, right, and
we haven't had that, so we have that, and I
think it was just it was just a tease. He
brought us to the brink and he gave us nothing.
The other thing, too, is that he talked about the
Mussolini's flying Saucer that Mussolini captured the craft, gave it
(11:27):
to the Vatican, they gave it to us. So you know,
when all the research I've done is that that's just
a folklore. There's no nothing, nothing tangible, and nobody talks
about it. I mean there was any truth to that,
I mean, that would be on every newspaper and you know,
on page one on every newspaper. So you know, so grush,
I mean, I like what he did or I did
(11:49):
at the time, but you know, the same thing happened
was what's the name Luis Alexandro November of twenty twenty four,
the same song and dance. I know where they are
then knows where they are? Well where are they? You know?
And so I'm just I have a headache, I'm discussed
that I'm up set and rob what I did? I mean,
(12:11):
and I encourage all of your viewers to do the
same thing. Start writing letters to your representatives, your political representatives.
And when I was down in Florida, my wife and
I are snowbirds. We spend winters in Florida and summers
in Pennsylvania. But down in Florida, I wrote letters to
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all of these politicians that were involved in the congressional hearings.
There were six of them, and the only one who
wrote back was Marco Rubio, who at the time was
a senator. Now he's Secretary of State. But he wrote
me back, and I and my letter was this was
(12:52):
just that let's encourage people like David Grush to show
the cars, tell us what he knows. So and that
was And then in the meantime, Senator Marco Rubio became
Secretary of State, and then I lost my contact, my
only contact.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So all right, stand by week, stand by place. We've
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A fine Welcome back to me going. Maxim Murrik is
our guest of this hour, and his website is Maxim Mrrick.
I'm sorry, Matric.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's Maxim Spirit. If you are a Maxim.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Spirit, all right, I apologize for that. Okay, So What
was it that that was the final straw in convincing
you to become this, this writer of the macabre, this
investigator of the paranormal, the person who questions the the whistleblowers.
And what was it? What was that one event that
(15:34):
pushed you?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I think, you know, I'm like everybody else. I
think you and I, you know, we don't know each other,
but I think that maybe we're motivated by the same thing.
I think a lot of us human beings are we
there's a bit of that Indiana Jones and all of us.
And I think we need to find that holy grail.
We need to climb the mountain. So there's just that
(15:56):
that that wonder us. You know that we have to
do that. And I think the combination of fear and
curiosity is what sort of gets it done. And even
though we're afraid of some of these things, you know, uh,
the moss to the flame, you know, the rat to
the cheese, the spider watching the fly, I mean all
(16:18):
of this. I mean we're fascinated by that flame, by
the darkness, and we have to explore it. And I
think that are innate human curiosity. And again, this is
my trying to answer your question, Rob, But I think
curiosity is the driving force. And I think that maybe
with people like doctors and scientists and those explorers, I
(16:41):
think that maybe that curiosity gene, maybe they're they have
just a little bit more of that DNA, you know,
that curiosity thing that than the rest of us. I mean,
it's a driving hunger that they need to go and satisfy.
And with me, I'm just fascinated by all aspects of
the paranormal. Uh, certainly uithology, cryptozoology, and more than anything else, demonology.
(17:07):
I just think that it's just fascinating. Uh, you know,
I want to learn more and and and it's nothing unusual.
I mean, I'm like a whole lot of other people.
So that's what gets me in here. And I you know,
I mean i could easily write books about rock and roll,
but I'd rather write about the paranormal because that, you know,
(17:28):
just gets my attention, It holds my interests and uh
and you know, and and it motivates me. So that's
you know, I'm currently writing a book on the Schmurl
haunting and in the if you're familiar with the Conjuring franchise, Yeah,
the next Okay, the next installment someone it's called Last Rites,
(17:52):
and that's about the Schmurrol haunting in West Pittston, Pennsylvania,
that took place in the nineteen eighties. And that's in
my backyard. And I had an opportunity to meet Ed
and Lorraine Warrem in nineteen eighty eight, So I hung
out with him, took pictures, interviewed him, and then stayed
in touch with them over the years. And I would
call Ed and ask him how he did battle with
(18:13):
demonic forces, and he would go and explain it to me.
But you know, they were very nice people, very respectful.
They sort of held my hand and walked me through
this thing. And you know, so I just, you know,
I'm interested in all this and these topics, and I'm
fascinated by them, and you know, and I guess I
showed that fascination through my word, through my research and
(18:35):
my books, and that's you know, that's sort of who
I am and what makes me tech.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Why do you think that the coal area of Pennsylvania
is so so rich with haunted stories and stories of
people long gone by?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, Well, you know, my book Cole Region Whodoo talks
about the paranormal aspects of the Pennsylvania North East East,
especially places like Shepton or Centralia. You know, the Cursed Hand,
where there's maybe five people living there. You know, the
Catholic priest put a curse on the town so that
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at the end of the day the only thing left
standing will be the same ignacious church. And in nineteen
sixty two, I believe they were having a festival and
they threw trash down int this mind pit and started
to burn it. Well it's burned. It's still burning, you know,
since nineteen sixty two. Yeah, Centralia, and they made what
(19:32):
was a Silent Hill. There was a couple of horror
movies based on Centralia, but that's in my backyard as
well as Shepton. You know, a whole lot of things.
And I wrote this coregion who do mainly because I
was upset. I was frustrated that all of the paranormal
books about Pennsylvania are for the most part about Gettysburg
(19:53):
and the lost ghosts that are wandering, you know, looking
for their homes, looking for their spouses, you know, whatever
they're looking for, or or they're about Lancaster and the
White Witches and the heck signs and you know, cases
of of a farmer putting a hex on the other
farmer's cow so wouldn't give milk or whatever, any crazy
stuff like that. But you know, I felt we had
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more things going in the Pennsylvania coal region and also
in western Pennsylvania in a crazy place called Chestnut Ridge,
which has the most not only Bigfoot sidings, but bigfoot
in connection with UFOs. Really yeah, and we know this.
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There's a guy named Stan Gordon, and Stan Gordon is
sort of like the keeper of the key. He's been
doing this for decades. He was there when we had
the Kecksburg UFO in let me see, December ninth of
nineteen sixty five, something came down and they conjectured that
it was either ours or it was a Soviet probe venus,
(21:01):
or it was a flying saucer. And now the latest
in the Techsburg. You know, mythology now is that it
was the glock. It was the German time machine, this
bell that went from the nineteen thirties over to Pennsylvania
in nineteen sixty five. So a lot of books being
(21:23):
written about that, a lot of paranormal people talking about
the bell. But that's western Pennsylvania and this guy Stan Gordon.
Whenever the Pennsylvania State Police out that way get a
call about a cryptid, about a dog man or a
bigfoot fighting, they'll say, call Stan Gordon, here's his phone number.
(21:44):
And so Stan gets all this stuff and he writes
these books and in his books, his books are very dry,
you know, it's like like looking at like watching the
wallpaper peel. But he has the data and a typical
entry in one of his books would be like a
farmer and missus Brown went out to the barn at
(22:05):
six o'clock at night to feed the cow, and they
saw this cryptid emerging from an orb. And there's numerous
documented cases like that where Stan Gordon will go and
talk about where it happened, when it happened, and describe it.
For me, my connection was Stan. I've known him for years.
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But a couple of years ago, my neighbor told me
that he saw two bigfoot creatures in our hometown. We
live in a tiny little mountain community called Macanaqua. And Joe,
my neighbors saw, who's a level headed guy, he's a
medical supervisor, a medical technician guy, and saw these two
(22:51):
bigfoot creatures. One there was cynamon one was black, one
was bigger than the other. And when I interviewed him
numerous times, he said that they didn't look scared, they
look curious. They looked at him, and then they walked
away like humans. So I called Stan Gordon and gave
stand that report, and then stand called Joe and major
(23:14):
it official. So again that's just to get it entered
into the into the narrative that we're fortunate in this
part of Pennsylvania that at least we have somebody that's
keeping those documents, because frankly, there's not one center, not
one resource, not one organization that does this. So what
(23:34):
we have in Pennsylvania is pretty outstanding. And in keeping
with that thought, they claim that in the United States,
the four leading states as far as bigfoot sightings are California, Washington,
and then either either Pennsylvania with Dickfood or Florida with
the Skunk Ape. And you know, I reside in both those,
(23:57):
you know, Pennsylvania and Florida. So you know, I look,
I go hiking, I go in the swamps and the
mountains and haven't seen anything yet, but you know, I'm
still looking.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
How come with all these sightings, nobody has any concrete evidence.
You know, have a good photograph, how about a cadaver
of a Bigfoot? How about something that proves the existence
of this picture of this creature. Except you know, let
me see the Gimmlin Patterson film novel. Let's scratch that
one off. You know, the list goes on around the
(24:27):
same within the UFO community, the alien abduction, all these stories,
but when it comes to physical evidence, there never seems
to be any right.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Well, you know, the with Bigfoot, there's no carcass, there's
no DNA. All we have and I consider this to
be the Holy Girl, but all we have is that
Patterson Gimlin film from nineteen sixty seven. Same thing with UFOs.
You know, nothing, nothing that's good. All we have is
the two thousand and I think four limits United States
(25:01):
Navy film of the TikTok video that went back and
forth and then hovered and then went under the under
the water.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And even the tic TAC is under scrutiny now because
of alligations made by the company that built the avionics.
You know that there could have been an air in that.
It's either the what was the what was the race?
There was either a problem with the technical aspect of
the avionic or the computer attachment giving a false image. Yeah,
(25:32):
didn't look like a false image to me.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, we can't. Yeah, we can't get anything the with
with Bigfoot, you know, with the carcass. They talked about
the carcasses. But down in Florida there was I remember
a while back there was a dead a wild pig
that was on the side of the rod got hit
by a car and it was there for about two weeks,
(25:56):
And it took two weeks for the turkey buzzards and
the parasites and everything to break it down in the elements,
two weeks before it came down. So I would assume that,
you know, a creature in the deep woods without cars
going back and forth, we would probably have more predators,
you know, you know, breaking breaking it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Down, didn't that didn't that pig still have its bones?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I forget. I just drove by it. I mean, it
seems to me that everything was sort of pulverized. You know,
maybe there were I don't know, I don't know, but
you know, they probably ate the bone marrow. There's stuff
in the in the bone marrow, right there is the Yeah,
the people that go out looking for Bigfoot, they hang
their hat on just maybe five things. They have eyewitness
(26:43):
reports that they've seen, uh, these these cryptids. They have
the smell, you know, this horrible uh fecal odor, rotten egg,
wet dog smell that seems to.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Be Listen, we're going to have to pull a We're
gonna have to pull a cliffhanger here, got to take
my break the hour, So explanation. If you'd like to
find out more about our guests, visit his website. All right,
do you have your pencils and papers ready? A's my friends,
Maxim Furrick dot com. I'm Rob McConnell. This is the
X On Maxim and I will be back continuing our
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Speaker 2 (29:03):
Maxim Firk is our guest. This our exhanation, and Maxim,
what is your favorite genre is? If there was one genre,
would you say that it is Bigfoot? Compared to the
other aspects of the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Not at all. Now. I think demonology would be the
the thing that you know that you know just rings
my bell. I've done a couple of presentations on what
I call Catholic Catholic mysticism, and I talk about, you know, exorcism,
the right of exorcism, miracles, guardian angels, you know, like
your song, your leading song, and Saint Teresa of Avila,
(29:40):
the seventeenth century Spanish mystic that claimed that through prayer
and meditation we could reach states of rapture and ecstasy
and what Saint Tresa called flight of the soul and
an actual out of body experience. And the miners there
in Shepton experiences out of body experience several time. So
(30:00):
really that's one thing that fascinates me. And then the
other one is the story about padre Peele. And padre
Peele was he's a saint now, but he was a
priest over in Italy, and he bled the wounds of
Christ and people started to come there just to see him,
you know, I mean, you had these gawkers. I mean,
(30:20):
they wanted him to hear their confession, but they also
wanted to see these wounds. So the Vatican they didn't
know what to do with this guy, because I mean,
it's like a circus and thing out of hand. So
they wrapped his wrists with gauze and they watched it
for like six seven days and then took the gauze off.
(30:41):
They were looking to prove that padre Peele was just
as human as you were, eyes that there would be
signs of scabbing, of healing, and there weren't. They took
off the gaus and he was still bleeding, So that
was one thing. And again the Vaticann't couldn't understand it.
They thought that here was this guy, a con artist
that had convinced thousands of people that his delusions were accurate.
(31:06):
So he had the stigmata, but he also had a
thing called bylocation and padre peel. It's been documented with
two places at the same time. And we know this
because he would be at an opera with other brothers
and priests and cardinals and that, and then he would
be someplace else, maybe one hundred miles away another function
(31:29):
scene physically seen by all these other people. So it's
called bylocation. And it's not the first time we've heard
of bylocation of another people that have that. But you know,
when you talk about the realm of mysticism, and you know,
I think that some of these mystics, some of these
(31:50):
saints have been given abilities through God. You know, they
say all three things through God. You know that they
can perform miracles that they could do by location, that
they could levitate. But even in the cases of Saint
Teresa of Babyla and also padre Peal, along the journey,
(32:10):
they suffered, they were castigated and put down, and they
weren't believed. So, I mean, how would it be to
be working miracles and to be you know, talking to
people and trying to you know, talk about love and
faith when you have the higher ups, you know, the
executive the administrators saying that you're a con artist. So
(32:32):
he padre Peal, had to deal with that. But an
amazing individual. And padre Pele said this, He said that
the power of the devil is tremendous, but he goes,
I go to the Blessed Mother for strength. And you know,
in Catholicism we have a lot of folks like that,
like even Ed Warren. When Ed did demonic battle, he
(32:55):
would invoke the spirit of Jesus Christ, of Saint Michael
the Arcane, you'll and padre Peel to do battle. So
you know, you pickure your saint, you pick your you know,
the whatever, and I mean, whatever you do. You know,
they say that, you know, what you need to do
is just fill your heart with God's grace and uh,
you know, and uh, you know, I've been warned about
(33:16):
getting too close to the to the darkness, you know,
to the demonic and I don't think that, you know,
I mean, I view this as a as an academic.
I mean, you like to read about it, write about it,
but I you know, I'm not tempted. You know, there's
a certain progression where there's temptation and then possession and
then well let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Let me ask you about possession. How much of possession
is fact and other is you know, mind over matter?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well I don't know, but I mean if if if
you're tempted to do bad, if you're tempted to have
an affair, to cheat on your wife, you know, I mean,
you know, that'd be the first thing. I think with
some of these people that are into this hardcore I
think what it is, I mean, and forget about the
word evil. I think it's like a hedonistic thing. Like
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I think a lot of them feel that they can
make a bargain with the devil so that they could
live a life of hedonism. They could have any pleasure
they want, any carnal pleasure, you know, you know, any
any drug induced pleasure. So I think that may be it.
I think that that hedonism, you know, without any self control,
(34:28):
you know, is one thing that you know, I mean,
I don't think you need the devil to do that,
you know, because the temptations there, the ability to do
that there. I mean, if you want to go and
you know, live your life like that, I mean, you
could do that. But I was in let me see
that was I think it was May twenty sixth. We were
out in Butler, Pennsylvania for the Butler Paranormal Conference, and
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I was one of the guest speakers, which it was
just at a great time there. I met a lot
of people. But on the same bill were the Psychic
Vincent Sisters and so the Psychic Vincent says, these Catholic girls,
they were talking about finding missing people for the police
and you know, tracking down killers and all that. So
there's they're talking and all of a sudden, this guy
(35:09):
in this front Rowe stands up and he gave the
story and here he was a ghost hunter. He went
out to these mentalist former mental institutions and prisons by
himself looking for demons. One night he was attacked by
something he thought it was a demon. His chest was
ripped up and he showed photographs pictures on his iPhone
(35:31):
and also his eye was just hanging out. Was just
like gouged out and it was just amazing. And the
psychic Vincent's sisters thought it was a case of possession
where he was stalked by this demon and then they
possessed him, you know, they infested him. But they said
that the only way out of that is through a
(35:52):
whole lot of holy water and a crucifix and you know,
fill your your heart with God's grace and then get
rid of that, you know, that darkness. I mean, this
is what they said that. I told those pictures they
were scary, they were scary, and you know, I you know,
I'm a belief I believe that there's a realm, a
demonic realm. I believe the devil exists. And I think
(36:12):
a lot of people think it's sort of a fairy tale.
It's it's it's folklore. It's a means of scaring kids
so that you know, if you don't say your prayers,
if you don't go to church, the devil is going
to get you.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well, you know, I think any parent that uses that
needs to be shot. You threatening that nothing peeves me off.
Then to see a child to get abuse psychologically or
or physically.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yes, well, take a look at all those fairy tales. Yea,
and what's the uh, what's the German thing at Christmas?
Who's that little bad guy that the crumpet? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I've seen pictures that that's terrifying. I mean, god,
you know, I mean that's for kids. Yeah, to show
(36:58):
a kid that, you know, I mean, come on, you know,
but I'll tell you, I don't know how it is
in Canada the rabbit in the United States. And I
think this goes along with a conversation. We had laws
in the United States to protect animals before we had
laws in the States to protect children. Children were just
they were like furniture, they were like cattle. You know,
(37:20):
they were allowed in northeastern Pennsylvania. This is our sin,
but part of our legacy. They sent these little breaker
boys down into the minds to work. I mean, these
little kids that were seven, eight, nine, ten years old.
I mean, what a horrific, horrific crime. And you know
when we did that back here, So you know, that's
just a disgusting part of our history that a lot
(37:42):
of us don't talk a lot about.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, it was you, it was your Secretary of the
guy who's responsible for immigration. What's his name. Anyway, he
said the other day, he said, when we get rid
of all the immigrants, we're going to put the children
in the old people to work in the fields.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Oh god, I mean, I hate what's going on here.
I know, I know, I don't think you have a
political program, but uh, I'm one American that does not
approve of this current administration and distuggery. And we don't
want Canada to be our fifty first state and it's
never going to be. We love Canadians, we respect Canadians,
you know, and just I hope your listeners hear that
(38:18):
and know that, of course. Okay, well I hope so
I rarely have a chance to have this conversation, but
you know, we we I'll tell you what. It's a juggernaut.
We didn't see it happening. And democracy is fragile. It
didn't take much for Trump to put together a coalition
and just steamroll us.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I mean, well, he had four years to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yep. Yeah, he got he got his ducks in orders.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But I think there's a few I think there's a
few surprises he wasn't expecting, including Elon Mosk and and
how that relationship is it's working out.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, well we'll wait to see Elon watching his p's
and q's. You know, yeah, you know, you know, but
there it's I don't know what it's like to be
at the top. I mean, these are billionaires, you know,
they got they there, They have their privileged you know,
so I can't. I don't speak that language, and I
don't wear those clothes, and you know, I don't know
that I don't. That's another another side of town.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And I think they're just like us. The moment they're
conceived is the moment they start to die.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, well that's all of us. And
but but anyway, getting away from politics, but I have
a book coming out published by Hangar one. It's called
Paranormal Apocalypse. This how it is, This how it ends,
And maybe in April or in August when it comes out,
maybe we could do a revisit if you're interested. You know,
(39:46):
I would love to Paranormal Apocalypse is this How it
talks about fear and H. P. Lovecraft said that fear
is the most elemental, the most basic emotion that man has,
and fear of the unknown is the most powerful. And
I talk about keeping people afraid. Religious groups keeping us
(40:08):
a prayed political groups society. We have a whole bunch
of people that are just walking in line like lemmings
following you know, they're the herd over the over the cliffs.
So there's a lot of people that don't use critical thinking,
rational thinking, common sense. They just follow the crowd. And
we're in a bit of a mess. So I don't know.
(40:30):
I mean, if you want a totalitarian state like George
orwell talked.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
All right, hold on, hold on here, hold on, I've
got to take my final break. Let's come back with that. Okay, Yeah,
when it comes to kids that oh that, that's another show,
another topic for another time. Explanation. Our guess this hour
is Maxim Firk Firk and we'll be back as we
(40:55):
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Speaker 2 (42:01):
Welcome back every one. Maxim for Rick is our guest
to this hour, and Maxim before we went to the break,
a couple of segments ago, we were talking about the
Patterson Gimlin film up sixty seven. What is your take
on it?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, I think it's authentic. Of all the things we
have out there, you know, the photographs and the videos,
and we don't have a whole lot of authentic videos
even in this day and age of AI. But from
the Patterson Gimlin film from sixty seven to me is
something that's valid. It's only fifty eight seconds and Patterson
and Gimlin were going they were riding their horses. They
(42:38):
had three horses up in northern California. They were going
to make a documentary to make money to do an
expedition to find Bigfoot. So they're going around the creek
bed and they see a female bigfoot that they later
called Patty. But Patty looks at Patterson and then takes off,
(42:58):
and as she looked at Patterson, his horse rears. He
starts falling off the horse. He reaches into the saddle
bag for the camera and start shooting, and behind him,
Gimlin's horses are also doing the same thing, and he's
you know, they're rearing and bucking and he's falling off.
But what happened was John Napier was a British paleontologist
(43:22):
that was working at the Smithsonian, so in nineteen seventy
two he was allowed to take a look at the
Patterson Gimlin film and they viewed it numerous times. He
had a number of scientists there with him, including a
bunch of scientists from Russia, and Russia was a lot
more keen on Sasquatch and the bounderable snowman in Almus,
(43:45):
you know, the yetti and all that. I mean, they
believed in that. They put money behind it as far
as expeditions. But Napier took a look at it and
he said, no, it's not it's a fake. And the
reason he said it was fake. Was this? He said
that Past had an upper body like an ape and
the bottom like a hominid, had walked like a human.
(44:05):
He said that Patterson Gimlin just cobble together some basic
elements of a man and an ape. And so going
on that premise, Napier said that was a fake. So
that was nineteen seventy two. In nineteen seventy four, a
bunch of guys were over there in Ethiopia and they
discovered Lucy. This was austrolopithecus. Right, It was like me
(44:27):
maybe yeah, maybe like three and a half four foot tall.
They named Austriopithecus Lucy after the Beatles Loucy in the
sky with diamonds. So that night these researchers got drunk
and they played the beetles and it was just like,
you know, a moment of red letter day in history.
But when John Napier heard about this in nineteen seventy four,
(44:50):
he said, wait a second, He goes, I was wrong.
He goes, Lucy has an upper body like an ape,
you know, so it could climb trees and everything, you know,
you know, the strength, and has the bottom like a hominide.
It walked on two feet. So Napier believed that the
Patterson Gimlin film was authentic. It took him a couple
(45:12):
of years to come around to that. But this was
you know, Rob you asked earlier, why hasn't the scientific
community come around exactly, Well, in seventy four they did.
They came up with information that helped validate, you know,
the Patterson Gimlin film, and they did this with Lucy.
(45:33):
So it was kind of neat how this happened, I mean,
from sixty seven to seventy four. But you know, I
think that this, this was, this is good when this happened.
And for a lot of us who think there's nothing
new under the sun, you know, keep in mind that
I believe it was January of this year, January of
twenty twenty five, there was this gigantic glacier. It was
(45:57):
the site of the Sights of Chicago that cat It
broke off and started to float. There was a bunch
of oceanographers there on a ship about an hour away
from it, and they happened to be at the right
place at the right time. They went over there and
their ship and they sent these underwater robots down there
to see what was there. Now, this glacier had been
(46:20):
there for either hundreds or thousands of years. I mean,
we don't know, but they didn't expect. They don't know
what they were going to find there. But they found
jellyfish that were larger than anything that we've seen. And
they weren't quite sure. I don't know what they came
up with now, but they weren't quite sure what the
what was keeping these creatures under there alive, you know,
(46:41):
if it was like the plankton going down there. But
they weren't quite sure, and they thought that there's a
possibility that there was another life source and another undiscovered
life source that might have been there. So again, I
haven't heard much more about that other than that glacier
was being tracked and it's melting and all that. But
(47:02):
just pretty interesting stuff. So that was, you know, that
just happened in January, and I find that amazing, and
I mean there's still mysteries being I guess solved or
being presented, and you know, and even the thing that
I get excited about are some of the Mars Mars
probes that they're finding what they believe are canals. They
(47:24):
believe that there were there was water there on Mars,
and they believe that there was civilizations there on Mars,
you know, not you know, three weeks ago, but maybe
millions and millions of years ago, So there was They
believe that life existed on Mars at one time.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
So so do you think we do you think we
should go back to Mars? Do you think we should
colonize Mars and dead planet?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well? I don't know, I mean, I got you know,
I don't know how we would get there and how
we would be able to sustain that. And I don't
know how would we we would be able to go
and keep people alive. I mean that would take a
whole lot of planning and uh, you know, resources and
all that. So but if we could do that, if
we could, yeah, I think so I think we should we.
(48:06):
I think we should go and do that. I think that,
you know, that's our destiny. We go out and we
explore and uh you know, uh you know, we go
into those uncharted uh waters and territory. So you know,
that's that's what we do. And uh you know, I
mean I think that's the exciting thing. And and and
this is what what this is what differentiates us from
(48:28):
from the animals. I mean, we have more DNA, we
have more brain cells, we have more of an ability
to think and create and imagine and to do all
that stuff. And certainly like uh you know, uh, you know,
apes can communicate and apes can use tools, and they
could do different things, and they could solve uh uh,
(48:49):
you know, problems, and they could communicate like a three
year old as Jane Goodall good All toll tall to us.
But but still they're not human beings, and we have
the edge. I mean, just we just have it all.
It's just it's that brain power that gives us more
cognition and spirituality, and that's what makes man different. You know,
(49:10):
We're more spiritual and more cognitive. Although although down here
in the States, not everybody uses that you know, uses
their DNA or their you know, to the best advantage.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
One quick question for you, as as a journalist and
a futurist yourself, where do you think pop culture is headed?
Are we embracing mystery more? Are we losing touch with it?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
No? I think it's it's a therapeutic thing. And paranormal
paranormal apocalypse. I have a term called apocalyptic awe, and
that's how we look at fear through fascination, and we
look at fear through the eyes of fascination through movies, films,
music and all that. So by doing that, we conquer
the monster, you know, the ogre that's in the closet
(49:57):
or the monster under the bed. So we could bunker
those fears, you know, through this apocalyptic awe by transforming
it into something as something of wonder and curiosity. And again,
you know my premise that you know that that that
that that combination of fear and curiosity is pretty much
our chemistry, you know that, and it's what we do
(50:19):
as kids. But I think it's at what we this
is I think what keeps us young, you know, that
combination of fear and curiosity, just to be curious about
the world rather than just laying on the couch and
you know, using the remote and just like letting the
world go by. And I mean, if you're curious and inquisitive,
you know you're gonna ask questions and you're gonna you're
(50:40):
gonna find answers. So I think that's the that's the key.
But no, I think pop culture is so much a
part of all of this. I mean, especially when you
look at the realm of uiphology, you know, and when
you take a look at Roswell, I mean you look
at what we know about Roswell and what we think
we know. I mean, it's just like an amazing thing.
(51:00):
I mean, it's the Roswell mythology, and that's what it is.
I mean, we don't have little alien bodies and we
don't have spacecraft. I mean, we have people that claim that,
like Bubb Lazarre claims that they know where they are.
You know that, you know that we haven't. We don't
have any. Yeah, and even what's his name, Jimi Moussan,
you know, he had the aliens down there in Mexico City.
(51:22):
He car them, carted them out and said that these
were alien creatures from Peru and all that, and that
wasn't true, you know. I mean, I mean it's a
fascinating journey and it's a fascinating topic. But we have
a whole lot of hoaxers out there that are just
looking for their fifteen minutes of fame, and I hate that.
I mean, that's just it's disrespects our paranormal genre.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
What's your take on the new paranorma tourism industry?
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Well, I'm I'm to blame you. I just went down
to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania for the Devils on the Run tour
and Annabelle the Curse Dahl was there. So, uh, I
paid my forty bucks and my wife paid hers and
we saw annabel and we met some people. But you know,
it was pretty cool. I mean I wanted to see that,
and uh it's almost like going to a Carney show,
(52:12):
you know, paying your money to go.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
See the the the War for the.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
But I mean it was, you know, it was, it was.
It was a good I mean, I enjoyed Gettysburg. It's
a great town, and I liked the experience, and you know,
I'm just glad I went there for the experience, you know,
I mean, not for anything else. And but but there
were a ton of people there. And Annabelle's been in
I think three conjuring movies and has recognition and that,
(52:41):
but also has a notoriety because let me see, Annabelle
was at the War in a cult museum in Monroe, Connecticut.
Lorraine before she passed, wanted it to be kept there
under lock and key, and it's in this wooden case
that has crosses carved into it. Has the Lord's prayer
in the back of it. It's embedded or imbued with
(53:04):
holy water and holy oil, so you know, the priest
blesses it every so often, just to keep it in check.
But Tony Spira, the Warren's son in law, he took
the doll on the road Annabel, and when it was
down in New Orleans, got this. When it was down
(53:25):
in New Orleans, they had a plantation fire, they had
the jail break. Ten guys took off from the Oh.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Mean right around the time that Annabel was down there.
So I mean, I don't know what that means, but
I mean, you know, it's either coincidence or something else.
I mean, you tell me, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
I don't know. I'm a guy who likes to see
the evidence before I make a conclusion. Max, I want
to thank you ever so much for joining us tonight.
It's been a great pleasure. Let our listeners know how
they can find more about you and where they can
get your books.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, for sure, Yeah listen. If you're interested in any
books by Maxim W. Furick, paranormal author, you could check
out my website which is www dot Maximfuric dot com.
And I'd be glad to go and get you autographed
cap a copy of any of my books. Or if
it be easier for you to go to Amazon and
give Jeff Bezos the billionaire, some of your money, then
(54:25):
you could do that too and go to Amazon. But
check out some of the books co Reach and Hudoo,
the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, Chefton, Flying Saucer, Esolteric, I
got a bunch of them. But again, Maxim W. Furick
and that's f R e K.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
All right, Max, Rob, take care of my Hey, we'll
speak to you in August when the new book comes out.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
That sounds good. Yeah, thank you so much for the invite.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You take care of my friend. By now, all right, explanation.
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