Rob McConnell Interviews - NAOMI JANZEN and STEPHEN FERNLEY - One Mind Live - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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O Nation. I have two guests this hour, all the
way from tomorrow now, I mean Australia. I'm sorry about
that same thing. We have Naomi Jansen and Stephen Fernley.
They're the co founders and co hosts of One Mind Live.
It's an internationally award digital show. And instead of me

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reading your bios, why don't I just ask you, Naomi,
to tell us a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Well, I was a television writer producer for about twenty
three years in Los Angeles and I moved to Australia
and I suffered an enormous blow when the reason I
moved here fell apart about two weeks after moving here,
and I ended up with clinical depression and discovered this

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technique called EFT Emotional Freedom Techniques also known as tapping,
and got myself out of it in about five days
after about a year and a half of really being
at the absolute bottom, you know, not wanting to be here,
and because I was so amazed at the results and
the transformation and just how I felt and the way

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that I looked at life and everything, that became my focus.
That's all I wanted to do. From that point on.
If I'd go to a production meeting or something, I'd
be tapping with people afterwards if they mentioned that they
had any stress in their lives or their back was
hurting or something, and so yeah, I just was That's
all I was interested in. And then that evolved into
what I do now is I'm an e FT practitioner
and a trainer, and I have I created an app

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called Remindfulness to help people with little mindfulness practices because
we often forget in our busy in our busy days,
throughout our busy lives. And ultimately one on my Little
Live which I created with Stephen Fernley, which is kind
of rolls that all together with with what he brings
as well, which I'll let him describe but into a

(04:24):
live guided online meditation with worldde worldwide membership.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah, I used to. I used to tap dance a lot,
so I understand cot so tapping, but I kept on
falling off the sink, breaking my ankle, so I had
to give that up in a hurry. Steven, my friend,
tell us all about yourself.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
Yeah, Rob, Yes, I'm an Australian and I'm an I've
fall into the category of an artist, I suppose, but
I'm kind of all over the shop and I do
a whole range of things, work in digital media, filmmaking, painting, drawing,
all that stuff. But the big thing I bring to
one mind live is my musical composition. So what I

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ended up doing a couple of years ago was getting
really annoyed at the kinds of music that you have
with guided meditations. It seems so oh so thin, so thin,
so hochy, exactly right. So what I do? I create these?
I create these really beautiful, complex musical journeys that take

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people along with the guidance that at our guided hosts
and guests bring to the table, and getting great results,
getting great feedback from people as to how beautiful it
all is, and how relaxed they all end up. So
we create this, we create this journey, Rob, and but

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before we go onto that journey, Naomi Janssen does some
beautiful eft tapping, which is going to have to describe
a little bit more.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Well, yeah, no, she's got my curiosity.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Yeah, to bring people into the space, because there's a
whole lot of problems people have around meditation which we
can actually unpack.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
So yeah, well, why don't we do this, Why don't
we take our first break and we'll be back in
about two minutes from now. X O Nation are two
very special guests of this hour, Naomi Jansen and Steven
Fernley from Australia. They are the co founders and co
hosts of One Mind Live. And if you'd like to
find out more about One Mind Live, all you have
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Excell Nation Naomi Jensen and Steven Fernley are very special
guests of this hour. If you'd like to find out
more about them and One Mind Live, visit them online
at one mindlive dot com. You know, we were talking
briefly about meditation before we went to our first break,
and still in today's Western world, when you talk about meditation,

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people get the vision of a yogi in a lotus
position and Indian star music in the background, and the
burner vest you know, incense, and that is furthest from
the truth. And I don't understand why people are having
such a hard time to you know, take that image
out of their might talk about corporate branding. My god,

(12:26):
I know, look.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Rob, occasionally I do put a sitar in the music
that I create. But one of the absolute joys of
doing One Mind Live is that we're selling memberships to India.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
So wow, that was a proud moment.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
That was a very proud moment.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
If the people that are actually sitting on top of
a mountain into bet are going, may maybe there's a
better way.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
Yeah. So of course people have this notion and that
you've also got to sit in lotus position and you know,
get creaky knees so that's certainly what I don't do.
I like to sit down or even lie down and
down sometimes and.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
It's going ahead, no, no, go ahead, Naimi, ladies.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
First, I was just I was just thank you. I
was just gonna say that when I first got interested
in meditation, I didn't even really know I was meditating.
It was I was just I was really young. It
was about eleven twelve years old, and I used to
like to sit in my living room and think about
how how lucky I was, how many good things I had,

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until I had tears streaming down my eyes, down my face,
and I just felt this connection that just this wonderful
sense of openness and connection and all that stuff that
we do lots of things to try to get where
it's like, you know, buy a new TV. Yah, I'm
a big fan of a new TV. But it's not
necessarily going to get you to that place where you

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have that big open heart connection and that feeling of
expansiveness and so on. And that really is what meditation
is about. It's not about like we can take any
and turn it, like you said, into branding, and meditation
has as much branding attached to it as everything else
but you can strip all that away, and it's ultimately

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just sitting there noticing where you are in the present
moment and whatever it takes you to get there.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
All right, So let me ask you this, Stephen, why
should people meditate?

Speaker 7 (14:22):
Well, Well, for me, Rob, I started meditating forty years ago.
I was living in a country town in Australia. I
was thirteen years old. I had really bad asthma and
I needed to control it. I mean, medication wasn't really
helping that much, and I was sort of self taught,

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so I started to I suppose I called it at
the time self hypnotism. I would be talking to myself,
I'd be recording it on an old cassette player, and
then I started introducing music to it on my piano,
just holding the sustained note on the piano, playing notes,
creating these very very clunky recordings for me to listen

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back at my own voice. So for me, meditation was
about dealing with my own health issues which actually worked,
and so that's kind of how I fell into it.
And then of course, rolling on from then, I got
into psychology, looking at other forms of meditation and all

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kinds of alternate theologies and how does the whole thing
fit together? So I've been at it for a long
long time because it worked for me.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
What are some of the latest research point to and
is there any scientific backing to go along with the
belief that it really does help us?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
There's a lot, I mean it certainly. If you google
meditation research, you get up pages and pages. There was
one that was done recently. I think it was Harvard University.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
It was it was a Harvard university.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
And it showed that and they I think they studied
the brain waves and they found that people's stress levels
their brain waves instantly changed, just normal people. This isn't
bringing Tibatan monks in and looking at what happens to
their brains when they meditate. Normal people kind of meditating
and doing very very simple meditations like breath meditations, and

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found that their stress levels decreased, and they reported feeling
better and lighter and happier, and we could actually see
it in their brains. And there's another amazing meditation study
done I think it was in Japan. They took a
group of men who all had tumors and they had
to meditate for an hour a day. I don't remember
how long it went and maybe it was three months

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or something, and they meditated, tried to get meditate a
feeling of gratitude towards their tumors, which sounds really counterintuitive.
They obviously took a lot of effort to get to
that place, and I think almost all of them reduced
or eliminated their tumors. And this is a study that
you can just go. I think it was done at

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the University of Tokyo. So there's because there's so much
curiosity about what's happening. First, it's anecdotal evidence of people
having having big shifts. The medical establishment got interested and
started doing studies at universities, and now doctors, of course
are recommending meditation. It's meditation's really gone mainstream. I think

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in the last few years.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
Well, let me ask you this, If it is so great,
why doesn't everyone do it?

Speaker 4 (17:36):
I think you mentioned it earlier. Everybody thinks it's for
people wearing flowing saffron robes.

Speaker 7 (17:40):
Well, I don't have one saffron drive.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Well there are certain reasons. I mean, look, meditation can
be really difficult. It takes a little bit of practice.
Usually it's it's just not what we're used to we're
not used to being in the now. I'll give you
an example. I read something by a man named Eckhart

(18:06):
Tolly who said that, look, you can meditate, just bring
yourself into the present. Pick the thing you hate doing
the most during the day for the At that point,
for me, it was doing dishes. I lived in a
place for the first time of years, I didn't have
a dishwasher, and I hated doing the dishes. I just
felt like there were so many better pay per.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Tides, pay per plates, pays.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh, trust me, I used all those thingniques, but I
decided to give it a try. So all he said
is pick the thing you don't like doing and do
it with your entire attention when you do it. And
I realized the reason I didn't like washing dishes was
I was projecting ahead to the things I'd rather be doing,
feeling resentful that I was doing this instead of something else. Instead,

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I focused one hundred percent on how warm does the
water feel, what does the dish detergent smell like? Look
how shiny these plates are getting as I clean them.
And it became one of the most enjoyable things that
I did. Because I brought presents to it, and that's
meditation ultimately, is just bringing presence to the to whatever

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you're doing, like right now about its just noticing the
present moment because we habitually. I think ninety five percent
of our thoughts are things that happened in the past
or things.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
In the future, where either in the future or the past.
And we're all all extremely stimulated now by our current
technologies to be either in the future or the past.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
You see, I've got this saying that smartphones make dumb people?

Speaker 7 (19:37):
Right line?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Can I use that?

Speaker 6 (19:38):
You sure can't? Go right ahead, my friend.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
I hope it's not permanent because I go through phases.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
No, it's once again. You know, people think about meditation
being this Eastern oriental I don't even know how to
describe what they think it as. I used to look
at it as a bunch of bunks, you know, Okay,
here we go another another way too, to you know,
just get attention. But then I tried it and it's like, wow, now,

(20:10):
I don't you know. What I do is after I
get home from a busy day here at the studios
in the office, I just sit in my favorite chair
in the living room, all the lights off. I just
close my eyes and I zone out.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yep, I think that's cold meditating.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
I think it is due and in fact, you know,
it really works. It really works.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
And do you find Rob, it's difficult to to kind
of you know, the quiet, the busy mind. Do they
talk about the monkey mind, that little voice in the
head that's just constantly dragging your attention, you know, the distraction?
Do you find that that that's something that it's easier
to kind of tune out.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
When you much easier, when I much easier when I
use duct tape around its mouth.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
It's very We we did some surveys, Rob, and we
looked at a whole bunch of reasons why people or
we asked a lot of questions why people have trouble
with meditating, because you know, a lot of people recognize
the go, look, hey I really should be meditating, but
you know, actually get doing the practice, and it is

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a practice. You you practice it, You've got to you know,
learn how to ride that bike, and that does get easier.
But we found that there was basically three problems that
people have and the first one is not enough time
and and know the second one.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, well, I mean not enough time to meditate because
there's always more important things to do.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
It feels like, yeah, like Facebook.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Or you've got small kids, exactly.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
You know. Another one was they're afraid that they're not
doing it right because of this, like you said, this
image of you have to sit on amount.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Of mountain and the august technique, you.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Know, or you have bad knees so you can't do
lotus position, or they think there's more to it than
there is. I mean, I think one of the tricks
is that it's pretty simple, exactly. And then the third
one was distraction, which we you know, we're talking about
just that sense that well, I can't meditate because I
can't stop my brain from thinking about all the things
that I need to be doing.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
And that's because the people who have that attitude there
are the people who keep thinking about things to think about.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
That's right, they're the people that usually need meditation the most.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Exactly exactly. You mentioned tapping at the beginning of the hour.
What is tapping.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Tapping is where we can call it an emotional form
of acupuncture. We're tapping with our fingers on the points
that acupuncturists put their needles. And when an acupuncturist puts
a needle on a place on your skin. They are
creating what's called piezo electric pulse electric which is like

(23:00):
a bioelectricity. And with tapping, we take those exact same
spots on the skin, places on the face and the
upper body, and you tap on them with your fingers
and these spots have a four million times higher bioelectrical
output than the surrounding skin. So something's going on, you know.

(23:22):
I mean, I have a little tool that I give
my students and clients to that they can use to
find these points on their own face, so they know
I'm not just a it's not theoretical and I'm not
kind of manipulating this little tool to beat louder at
certain points. And you tap on these places, and it's
been shown to well reduces the arousal in the amigdal,

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which is the fight or flight part of the brain.
It lowers cortisol up to twenty four percent in one
hour of tapping. There's so much research coming out in
universities now about why it works. And it looks bizarre
because you're tapping on your face, but we're seeing it
in the media a lot like people who watch the
olmp the real Olympics. There was an Olympics. There were
athletes out there on the field tapping. There are a

(24:04):
lot of sports teams. When you hear of an underdog
sports team that suddenly, you know, is winning the World
Series and they came out of nowhere, they've been working
with an EFT practitioner most likely, and we kind of
know who the practitioners are, but we can't we're not
allowed to kind of talk about it because these teams
don't want other people to know, other teams to know

(24:25):
what their advantage is. Because when you reduce stress, which
is ultimately what tapping does, it's like the shut off
switch for our fight or flight system. When you reduce
the stress and the body, a lot of emotional and
physical problems collapse. So that's why you can have extremely
like seemingly miraculous results from tapping.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
Hold that thought, We've got to take our news break
at the bottom of the hour expanation. Our two guests
this hour, Naomi Jens and Steven Fernley. They are the
co founders and co hosts of You Got This One Mind,
line of their website www dot one mind live dot
com and we'll I'll be back on the other side
of this commercial break with the news as we continue

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Speaker 6 (29:43):
Welcome back everyone. This is the excell and I am
Rob McConnell and our two guests this hour are Naomi
Jensen and Steven Fernley, and they are the co founders
and co hosts of onemind Live www. Dot onemind live
dot com. All right, let's talk more about tapping because
I find this rather amazing and you know, it seems

(30:04):
that it's very simple. But once again, is this something
like meditation that the Eastern side I'm sorry, the western
side of the world refuses to acknowledge because it comes
from the east, or how does it work?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
It actually comes from the western side of the world.
It was developed by initially a guy named Gary Craig
who was an engineer originally, and he was introduced to
a thing called TFT thought field therapy that had been
stumbled upon by a man named Roger Callahan where he

(30:37):
was working with a client who had a fear of water.
And this guy had worked I think he was an
NLP practitioner or something and he'd been working with this
woman and nothing was working. This fear of water would
not go away. And one day he had just been
looking at acupuncture and reading about the meridians in the body,
just in some journal or something. He wasn't even that

(30:59):
into it, and he had underneath the eye. He asked
her where she felt the spear of water in her body,
and she said she felt it in her stomach. And
he said, well, the stomach meridian I just read. I
don't remember anything else, but I remember that is under
the eye, the on the on the bone ridge of
your cheek, right under your eye. So he said to her,
just tap on this place, just like an inspired kind

(31:22):
of moment, and and he he had her tap on
that place and focus on the feeling in her stomach.
And she's looked at him with white eyes and she goes, oh,
my god, that did it. I'm not afraid of water anymore.
And uh. And it was she she that was that
was it.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
It's really quite astonishing.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Rob.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
When I first met Naomi Jansen, which was a few
years ago, this you know, crazy lady was coming into
my house and she was talking about tapping and I'd
seen some some people do it. And I thought, this
looks like some kind of Monty pythe and silly skin.
And I said, okay, well, because I, you know, had

(32:03):
stopped smoking cigarettes ages ago, but I was still getting
these cravings. And I said, can it turn off cravings?
Can it do something as simple as that? And she said, well, look,
I've got to run to my car, but we can
tap on my way to my car. So I'm walking
behind her and she's tapping and saying things and she
drove off. It was something like three minutes of tapping.

(32:23):
And it was only after a week that I realized
I have absolutely no cravings. Turned it off completely, and
I thought, what is this? This is madness, And so
I had to form a company with you.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, you're tapping on the places on your face and
upper body while you're focusing your attention on whatever it
is that that is the problem. Whether it's an emotional
problem like I feel so sad that that so and
so said that, or maybe it's a physical thing I feel,
you know, my knee, my knee hurts, or I've got
back pain, whatever it is. Instead of kind of turning

(32:59):
your attention away from it, you focus your attention while
you tap on these places on your body and it
kind of counterconditions your brain because if you produce serotonin
and endorphins while you tap, and it's a self help tool.
So like when I was tapping with Stephen running to
the car, I'm tapping on myself. He's tapping on hisself.
I'm saying, eyebrow point, do this, side of the eye,

(33:21):
do this, under the I do this, And that's what
I do. When I mean, if I'm if I'm one
on one tapping with somebody, they can see, they can lead.
That's why I mean I tap with people on Skype
because they're tapping on themselves. I don't have them lying
down and I'm tapping with them, you know, on them.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
What's so interesting about this verdality is that so much
of inverticomas, you know, the New Age movement and alternative
theory concepts don't want to look at the negative, and
tapping pulls up all the negative. It says, here it is,
let's let's look at all of this muddy water.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
So is it like face at your demons?

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it really is, and it's it's
kind of well. The analogy is you you dump the
dirty water out of the glass before you pour the
clean water in. So with tapping, your statements with the
things you're saying while you're tapping are things like, you know,
you're saying when you do a setup state and you say,
even though I'm you know, so mad, and you use

(34:19):
actually the words that you would use talking to your
best friend on the phone about something, even though I'm
so pissed off at that thing my boss said, it
makes me just want to tell it, telling me can
chuck the job. You're saying that while you're tapping, and
while you're getting that feeling of anger up in your body,
and that releases it.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
So it's like, as well, sorry, what was that?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
It is venting. In fact, there's a form of tapping
called ranting tapping. It's where you just tap through the
points while you just have a just letter blast. You
just let it out. You're just streaming it out in
your car. Tapping is it's a great thing to do
in your car. You're sitting there in traffic and you're
thinking about something you know, and you're kind of ruminating.

(35:04):
It's going around around circles. It's not what's so wonderful
about this modality is it gives you permission to express
how you really feel as long as you're doing as
long as you're tapping.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
Well, you're doing tapping because that's cooling down the fight
and flight response in your body, and your body realizes
that all of these negative things aren't really still happening,
still happening anymore.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, that's the key because in the unconscious mind, ninety
five percent of our mind is unconscious, approximately, there is
no sense of time. And so if something happened to
you that traumatized you, for example, and a thing that
could have traumatized you at a child as a child
might be something no adult whatever think in a million
years was traumatic, but to a child that was traumatic.

(35:49):
You can be still in your unconscious mind still thinks
that's happening. That bully is still screaming at you on
the playground, you know, or your sister is still getting
that really nice doll when you know you don't have
one that's that nice. And you know, in your your
thirties and you feel this resentment about about something that's

(36:09):
going on in your life now, and it has its
roots in that early thing that never got resolved.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
And it could be something really simple or it could
be something really traumatic. The studies that I've read, and
I'm not the tapper here in the team, I'm.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Just done enough.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
I'm just a big fan because I've sort ofed so
many things out with tapping, but so much information now
around post traumatic stress disorders and it's apparently, I mean
not apparently. The Harvard and Princeton studies have come out
showing just how incredibly effective it is from turning off

(36:45):
those memory responses to real trauma.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Yeah, and it also new to study out just recently
in the Journal of Nervous and Metal Disease. Tapping is
an epigenetic intervention. It changes your genes. They did a
study a bunch of veterans and found war veterans and
found that I think it was about eighteen different genes.
The baddies that we don't want were turned off. Genes

(37:11):
that suppress your immune response and genes that get in
the way of longevity and prevent you from healing more
quickly from injuries. And that's that he just came out
about six months ago.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
What does mainstream science say about it as far as
going to the traditional doctors and the traditional psychologists, the
traditional psychiatrists what do they say we're tapping. Is it
accepted by the medical community or is this a fringe experience.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
It's becoming more and more accepted. There are some very
prominent voices that are pretty high up in the medical
establishment that are proponents of tapping a EFT and here
in Australia, one of my colleagues who's also a trainer,
doctor Peter Stapleton, is a professor of psychology at Bond
University and she's training psychologists by the boat loads in
e f T. I've trained psychologists myself. And there are

(38:07):
doctors like doctor Lori Laydon, who's responsible for the project
Light Rwanda, which brings e f T to traumatized orphans
of the Rowan and genocide. She's a doctor, a medical doctor.
And then there's I mean, so, I mean, there are
a lot of early pioneers of tapping. Doctor David Feinstein

(38:28):
was a Harvard psychology professional.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
So let me let me just because we only have
so much time here, yeah, and I want to get
through a few other things as well. So basically it's
starting to make an impact in the into the established
professional medical field.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yes, definitely. Right now we're at a tipping point all.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Right, If somebody has no psychological or emotional problems, how
would tapping help them?

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Well, it's kind of like how does brushing your teeth help?
You know, in terms of it's ongoing, I think of
it as energy hygiene. You know, we live in a
stressful world, so you just kind of you just tap
when something comes up that bothers you, and it keeps
it from Actually.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Right, I agree with you that we live in a
stressful world. But isn't it easier to understand what's causing
the stress and to eliminate that or to learn how
to cope with that stress before it comes to the
point where you have to seek help for that stress.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Definitely, But when the fight or flight part of the
brain is activated, the prefrontal cortex, which is your really
smart thinking part of the brain, kind of goes offline.
So what happens is our problem solving ability becomes diminished.
So when you tap on the stress and anxiety and
whatever else you're feeling, that's activating the back of your brain,

(39:46):
the kind of the primitive part. Automatically, when that settles down,
blood and oxygen return to the prefrontal, the smart part
of your brain, and suddenly all these awesome strategies are
popping in a little bit about making changes in your life.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
What about people who can actually cope with life life?
And you know, they're like, I'm going to tell you something.
I don't get stressed out.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I really don't like I that's while you're meditating.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Yes and no, because I know how to live. I
know how to solve problems, like I don't bring my
problems home with me. If there's a problem, it's settled.
I work things out, and so does my staff. And
I hear a lot of these people talking about the
issues that we talk about here on the show, and
it perplexes the hell out of me, Like, how does
a person get to that point?

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Well, it's kind of about your coping strategy and habitual thinking.
One thing I say to people when they say well
do I need do I need to do any tapping?
I say, well, do you have anything that's happened in
your life that still kind of gets you still feel
an emotional response to it when you think back on it,
Because if the answer is yes, then that means that

(40:53):
you're in that gotty five percent of your unconscious mind
part of you and your body actually still thinks it's
going on, and so that's kind of that's kind of
a quick test.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
So would this be for people who just can't move
on with their lives?

Speaker 4 (41:08):
No, not necessarily. I think it's you. You apply it
to different things in different situations. It can be applied
for it. You can use it for cravings. You can
use it for, you know, a breakup that you're going through.
You can use it if you feel angry about something,
if you have like anxiety like say, let's say money anxieties.
You don't like your job and you and you want

(41:29):
to try to figure out what to do, but you're
afraid to make a choice. It's great for relationship conflicts.
So when your partner does something that pisss you off,
tap on it first to see how much of it
is your own stuff before you actually bring it to
them and say, here's something I have an issue with.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
You don't want I have. I have a real issue
with these kind of things, because to me, this is
a sign of personal weakness and the inability to cope
with life.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Well you know, coping. This is this is actually a
tool for coping with life. So it kind of goes
in the toolbox and This is what I tell psychologists.
We're not saying throw away your the manual of everything
else that you've learned. We're saying, ah, this is another tool.
It can be a really quick way to turn off
the fight or flight system. And sometimes they're like shock.

(42:21):
For example, let's say you got you know, get you
get mugged on your holiday and you weren't expecting it.
You were having a great time and suddenly out of
the blue, everything changes. Sudden surprises and situations that overwhelm
us can over override our natural coping ability. Uh no, no,

(42:44):
it actually isn't. Grief is something is a process that
we move through, and when you're stuck in grief, then
that's something that that becomes something that we would call
a tappable issue. But I guess what we would call
it is trauma. Trauma is something where a person is
still resonating with all.

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Now.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Me Jansen and Stephen Fernley are special guest this hour
www dot one Mind Live dot com. Steven, tell me
about your music.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
Ah, thank you. My music goes back a long way, Rob.
I've been playing the piano since I was four. How
how that started is that I was a really ill
child and I was actually crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and yeah,
and the playing the piano was one way of getting

(48:47):
my fingers to work. So that's kind of how it
all started. I have this kind of connection between music
and healing, and so I I then, you know, I've
been playing and composing music forever, I think, but when
it came to when it came to making music for

(49:08):
One Mind Live, it gave me an opportunity to create,
as I said before, a journey. And so what I do.
I work on a whole bunch of ideas, which is
number one, which is the tempo of the music is
brought right down so normal resting heartbeat, I think is

(49:28):
about sixty beats per minute. I can bring it right
down to forty just to really relax people. And the
other thing that I use is a different tuning system.
It's the Pythagorean tuning system, and basically all of our
classical music up until about the nineteen fifties was tuned
down to what is called four hundred and thirty two hertz,

(49:53):
and it's regarded as a more organic or sympathetic frequency
system to the human body. All of the music that
we have now is tuned up to four hundred and
forty hertz. Now it's kind of a controversial concept, you know,
it doesn't make any difference. But for me, I think
I like to use what Monteverdi and Mozart and Bark did,

(50:16):
and I really do like four hundred and thirty two
hurts chuning. It just sounds better. So that's definitely one
thing I do. And the other thing, which might sound
getting wu We're going back over to India. Now we've
had Nami Jansen with their science. But one thing I
have got from the Indian meditation system is that they

(50:39):
talk about chakras. You know, most of us have heard
about chakras, but what a lot of people don't realize
that the chakra system, the base chakra, the second chakra,
the third. These are all corresponding too, not just colors,
but they're also corresponding to keys, like the key of C,
the key of G heart chakra as G. So I

(51:03):
actually tune I play my music in certain keys. We're
aiming for certain effects in the human body. When we
got the guided meditation part, after Naomi has done her tapping,
so yeah, that's kind of where I'm coming from there, Rob.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
So you know, how does the music change our bodies,
our emotions, and our brain states.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
The human body is parasympathy. We have this parasympathetic nervous
system and we respond to We do respond to sound.
That's why dance music is, you know, pumped up to
one hundred and twenty beats per minute, is to get
you pumping and on the dance floor. I think rock
and roll music was between sixteen eighty and then you know,
back in the fifties, when rock and roll music came out,

(51:49):
it was seen as the devil's music. It was good,
was making people kind of go crazy because it was
actually raising their heartbeat and getting people, these teenagers out
of control. We actually do respond to music in a very,
very visceral way. My objective is to get people into

(52:10):
a slower brain wave state and slow down the heartbeat
and bring down the blood pressure response as well, And
that's really all I'm kind of focusing on. And then
at the same time, take them on an audio or
a musical journey, give them an experience so that they

(52:31):
can just at least follow the music. If they're getting
distracted by thoughts, you can just go back to the
music while the guidance is happening. You can let your
brain drift, doesn't matter. But at least the music is
going to hold you into a hold you in a
space for the entire time of the meditation, and at
the other end of it, you come out and you
feel really deeply relaxed.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
It's meditation training wheels, but there's no less effect than
if you didn't have them.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
Exactly. Thank you, I'm so Stephen.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Would your music be ideal for somebody who is driving
home from work or would this put them into too
much of a calm state that it might actually take
them away from their driving skills?

Speaker 7 (53:13):
No, that was that's a really good question, Rob. I
certainly would not recommend that anyone driving actually listens to
the guided spoken part with the music. But the music
is fine. It's it's you know, it's not going to
send you unconscious. There's no kind of subliminal messaging happening
in there. I quite often use my own music to

(53:35):
drive to work, you know, instead of listening to the
radio with all of its blood and trauma. And I
put my music on and by the time I get
to work, because I teach digital media, I get to
work and I'm chilled. It's a really fantastic way to
start the day.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Actually, we have members who are yoga teachers, or they
do they like a massage therapist, or they just play
it in their offices. It keeps everybody dig.

Speaker 7 (54:06):
Yeah, we have we have One Mind Live radios, a
little radio player with you know, hours and hours of music,
and practitioners just used it in their clinics. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Where do you see this type of meditation in the future.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Well, we want One Mind Live to to kind of
make I mean, the dream is to have because this
is a because this is a live guided meditation, there's
a lot of meditation replay and that you can listen
to a lot of meditation audios. But what we want
to do is and that's all great, not saying anything
wrong with that, but we want to add an additional layer,

(54:45):
which is group meditation. And there have been extraordinary results
from seeing from and again there's there's some scientific studies
on this on what's called the Maharishia.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Isn't it also called church and prayer because that's exactly
what people do in go to church and they pray.
That is right, So there's nothing new about it. There's
nothing new about it.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Well, maybe the new is getting the whole world online
our big I mean, we'd love it to be the
Facebook of meditation.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
I wish you luck with that. I I really don't
see that happening, but I wish you luck.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Well.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
You know, I think that especially in the times that
we're in and we're becoming such a global consciousness in
terms of something happens on the other side of the
world and we know about it instantly and usually it's bad.
We need something to counter that. And so the idea
of having just that kind of global residence where people

(55:42):
people do kind of join their their energy fields, said,
when they're focused consciously in this in the same space, uh,
in terms of we're all having the same experience. It
can actually we believe it can actually change, you know.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
And there are other organizations that are doing this. So
I'm just trying to understand how yours is different.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Well, we're trying to make it as easy as possible.
I guess the training wheels thing we're trying to We
want to make fun. We want to it's non denominational.
It's it's not we don't take ourselves too seriously. We
want people to feel like it's an interactive experience, it's
a community experience. And and we offer this variety of
a different meditation guide every month, so people bring different

(56:29):
flavors in different areas of expertise and different types of
meditation guidance. And so there's a there's there's a it's
always like a wonderful new variety.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (56:40):
And it's also the combination rob of the tapping, the
tapping before we actually go into the guided meditation. So
the tapping brings people's amigdalers down, their fight and flight.
Oh you know, I don't have enough time, I got
a busy brain, all of these things. The tapping actually
soothes all of that stuff down, and then we can
go into the guided meditation with the music, and it

(57:03):
takes people right down into this beautiful place, and it.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Does it quickly. Because time is such a big thing.
We think, you know what, give us half an hour.
We do ten minutes of tapping. We do the guide
of meditation with the music. We recognize you have busy lives.
We recognize you're not always in the mood to meditate
at the appointed time. We'll take care of that for you.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
Hey, guys, I hate to do this, but we've run
out of time for tonight. I want to thank you
so much for joining us and explanation if you'd like to.
If you'd like to get a hold of Naomi or Steven,
their website is www dot one mind live dot com.
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(57:44):
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(59:17):
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