September 12, 2025 • 57 mins
Nathaniel Gillis, known as an esteemed demonologist, is a captivating figure in the realm of the supernatural. With an unwavering dedication to unraveling the mysteries of the infernal, Gillis possesses a wealth of knowledge and expertise that has established him as an authority in his field. With his piercing intellect, he navigates the delicate nuances of demonic lore with ease, elucidating the dark depths of the occult to shed light on ancient summoning rituals, maleficent entities, and the intricate forces that govern their interactions with the mortal world. Gillis's astute observations and cautionary advice are renowned, offering those curious about the supernatural an insightful glimpse into the intricate realm of demons. His patience and unwavering commitment to his mission make him an invaluable resource for both scholars and those in need of protection from the sinister forces that lie beyond human comprehension. Nathaniel Gillis stands as a beacon of wisdom and guidance, bridging the gap between the known and the unknown, compelling us to delve into the shadowy depths of the otherworldly.
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going to be talking about demons, demonology in the Darker
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side of the paranormal this hour with our guest Nathaniel Gillis.
And Nathaniel is in Dayton, Ohio. And Nathaniel, welcome to
the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Thank you for having me, sir. It's great to be
with you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's great having you here too. Tell us a little
bit about yourself and how you how you got to
do that thing you do with the demonology thing you was.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So it all began for me when I was eight
years old. My parents had moved into a new house,
and when we were actually looking at the house prior
to purchasing it, my dad took me by the hand
and led me into my future room and he basically said,
nathanie'l take a look around. Figure out where you're going
to be placing your chester drawers, your bed, and all
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of your stuff. And so I was, and for some
reason I felt compelled to look underneath the bed that
was in the corner of the room, and to my astonishment,
when I looked underneath the bed, there was a full
bodied apparition of what appeared to be an eight year
old girl. She had long black hair, she was wearing
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a white linen dress that looked to have been made
during the turn of a century, and I didn't know
who she belonged to. At the first blush, I thought
that she maybe lived in the neighborhood or something and
snuck in. I had no idea, but once we moved
into the house that d in its pathology, and by
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the time we moved out of the house, it had
turned into a malevolent haunting hands down. And so that
was my very first encounter with this phenomenon we're researching now.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
When you say malevolent haunting, what kind of haunting activity
was there?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Oh, my goodness, almost well, I can tell you this.
There was. At nighttime, there was what's called DVP direct
voice phenomenon, And so I would wake up from a
dream or a nightmare and I could hear two entities
conversing with each other just above my head. And more
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than that, there would be this kind of smoky ball
or a cloud that would hover in the corner of
the room at nighttime.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And then here's what's the craziest part about it was
that the the the entity would induce me into looping nightmares.
And what's so crazy about this? Even to this date,
I'm thirty five years old, it still sticks with me.
But I had no frame of reference for anything that
these nightmares consisted of, none whatsoever. For instance, I didn't
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know what addiction was. I didn't know what insulin was
or anything remotely close to that, and yet in these
nightmares they were the same nightmare every time, but they
consisted of me walking towards a shelter at a park,
and there were two young men, maybe about twenty twenty
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one years old, and they were sitting on a picic
table with their backs turned towards me. The gentleman on
the right had a needle stuck in his left arm,
and like I said, I had no historical reference from that.
I had no idea what he was doing. And he
never turned around noticed I was there. But the gentman
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on the left did, and when he turned around, he
kind of grinned, he made eye contact, and then he
pulled out a black three fifty seven magnum and it's
gonna get dark real quick. But this is just telling
you exactly what I went through. But he put it
in it. He put it in his mouth, my friend,
He put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger,
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at which over and over again I would shake myself awake.
There would be a cold chill in the room, and
there would just be this pervasive darkness all over the place,
and I could feel it feeding off of my fear.
And so that's I mean. Of course, there were other manifestations.
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You know, the entity would displace its weight on our
wooden floors. I saw shadow figures, but you know, the
whole gamut was present. But that was instrumental in leading
me into the field that I'm in today now.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Prior to moving into this house, had you had any
experience whatsoever with paranormal.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Not at all, sir, at all. I didn't even know
what it was.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
How about your family, did they suffer any ill effects
from the paranormal events that you were participating in?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
None in that house. None in that house. Now, when
we moved across town and do a new home, my
mother did encounter shadow people and that was her first
experience with the phenomenon. But to my knowledge, neither of them,
even my my younger brother, none of them experienced what
I experienced. And it was quite a shock.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
For a little bit, I thought I was going crazy.
I didn't understand exactly what was going on. But you know,
I'm not alone in that. There are plenty of experiences
out there where they're the only they're the only individual
and the entire family that are witnessing this phenomenon. So
for whatever reason, I was the only one.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Explanation Nathaniel Gillis is my special guest, and we're talking
about demons, demonology, the dark side of the paranormal right
here on the xone on Classic twelve twenty. Any idea
throughout the years that you've been researching the demonology and
the darker side as to why you the only person
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within your family that has been having these encounters of
a demonic type.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I have no idea, brother, no idea. I know that
there are certain people in this world that are given
gifts and different sensitivities to the spirit world, and I
believe personally this is just my conviction that sometimes the
phenomenon will target them with suicidal ideation or addiction or
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what I call the disfigurement of destiny, where for whatever reason,
the phenomenon does not want to deal with them. They're
a threat to this intelligence we're all researching, and I
believe that to be the case. I mean, the entity
that I encountered, it wanted me to commit suicide. And
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to this day, there are times when I get too
deep into the research and it gets too dark, I'll
feel that entity creep up on me and for a
flitting moment, I'm back in my bed at three in
the morning, paralyzed in terror. But you know, it's just
a part of the field. It's a part of the research,
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and it's a part of being who I am, and
I believe who I'm called to be.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You know, you said some people have this gift. To me,
it sounds like your gift is a curse.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh yes, yes, it is in a way. You know,
the phenomenon will target us. And I've actually worked with
experiencers who they just they became addicted to substances and
you know, alcoholism, drug abuse, mainly because they've never been
able to deal with the traumatic events they went through
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in a haunted house or in a possession case or
something of alike. And you know, it's interesting because this
gets into magic and what we would consider to be
initiatory practices. I mean, you could have fifteen different people
perform the same rituals, perform even prayers, even prayers, perform
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the same prayers, and only one of them will get results.
And I can't put my finger on it, but there
is there are rather, I should say, there are people
who are more in tune with the spirit world than others.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know, one out of fifteen who get the results,
do they get the results in all aspects of the testing,
or is it only in one specific prayer or one
specific incantation, or you know, is it just one or
is it right across the board.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
It depends on the person. But usually if it's successful
in one genre, it's going to be equally, if not
more successful than another. You know, it's so interesting to
me because again, the phenomenon will target people and it's
almost like it and I don't know if it can
do this, but it's the implication suggested it can, but
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it's almost like it seas into the future and it
would rather take people out now than have to deal
with them later on. I mean, that's the only way
I can rationalize it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So if they only if they take certain people to
deal with them now, this would kind of implicate that,
or not implicate, but show evidence that they have dealt
with these people like yourself before in a previous life,
and they know what the future is going to be,
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so they want to take care of you now before
you get the strength or the ability to fight them
off or eradicate them.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Correct. Correct, And you know there are a few people
out there that can actually avail. And if anything is
true about the phenomenon. It does not want to be
seen for what it is. And that's what I really believe.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Before it go any further, how would you describe or
define a demon?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
There are two hypotheses throughout history, or at least two
dominating theories. One is that a demon is a mutated ghost,
and the other theory is essentially that it's a fallen angel.
Now I have my own grievances with the fallen angel
hypothesis because the term fallen angel isn't even written in
the Bible. It's a construct created after it was written.
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But you know, those are the two dominating theories. But
I'm gonna say this, and it's going to be shocking,
but and it took me a long time of being
in a field doing cleansings and then performing academic work
to come to this conclusion. But I believe that there
is a singular intelligence that is masking itself as both
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demonic and et in order to hide from us. And
there is evidence to suggest that, which we'll get into
before the night's over.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Sure sounds like a plan, my friend, excellnation, I guess
this hour is Nathaniel Gillison If you'd like to check
them out, on Instagram, it's the Nathaniel Gillis and he
also has a YouTube channel. Just go to YouTube and
type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is the X and I
am Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our broadcast
center and studios in St. Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on your
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hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming around the world
on Classic twelve twenty dot CAA. You can also send
me an email X Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot
ca and Nathaniel and I will be back on the
other side of this kind of short commercial break here
in the X zone where we search for answers. Well,
(14:03):
you know what, we're also demanding the truth. Nathaniel and
I will be back on the other side of the break.
Don't go away, I like.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
To he smiled at me.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I felt the he that enveloped me.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
And molesaw I like to see. I never knew.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I shoe and welcome to your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty,
coming to you from our broad cast center in studios
in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, and streaming around the world
on A Classic twelve twenty dot ca A. Nathaniel Gillis
is our special guest at this hour. We're talking about evil,
We're talking about demons, we're talking about shadow people, the
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as well as all aspects of the darker side of
the paranormal.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Before we went to the break, you.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Kind of gave us a little bit of a teaser
when you were talking about the alien alien demon connection.
Can we get into that because that sounds rather ominous
and yet very intriguing.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yes, sir, it's uh, it's been an interest of mine
now for many years. But my hypothesis now, and this
is going to be kind of disappointing to those who
follow me because you know, people try to put me
in a box. They hear demonologists, and so they think that,
you know, I'm either Catholic or I'm somebody that goes
in and you know, sings holy water. Nothing against any
(16:01):
of that. I'm just I'm kind of a hybrid, Okay,
kind of a hybrid. And Blade has been centered around
the interconnectivities between the demonic and the et and there
is evidence that I will quote here in a little bit,
but there is evidence that suggests that both of them
are in fact masks of a sceneular intelligence and this
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intelligence is in largely it's it's in control of a
lot of things in our life and in this world,
in this world, but even more than that, it has
evolved according to our awareness of it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And so No, I was just going to say, it
sounds like whoever or whatever the senator is, who can
mask as as the the negative side of society as
well as the positive side. Where does this fit in
with religious philosophies?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
No, Well, even right now, if you look at the
evangelical researchers, they're starting to come to a very startling conclusion.
Whatever we're dealing with, my friend, as he clipsed the
microcosm of known demonology, whatever this intelligence is, it does
not obey any known rules within demonological theory. What do
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you mean, Ithaniel? Let me say like this. I had
a case study not about two or three years ago
now where an individual his father was a famous remote viewer,
and he would often go out of body and it
was almost like a UFO abduction. He would enter in
this metallic room and his guides would flank him on
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the right and left sides. Well, you know, they would
give him insights prophecies, and then when he would get
back into his body. He would then call like a
famous celebrity or a local politician and give them poll
numbers and insights into their campaign. Well, one night, his
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father went into one of his sessions and everything was
going according to the protocol. However, when he arrived in
this metallic room, these beings had appeared to him, and
at first blush they did look like his guides. But
when he was there, he started to look at them
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more intensely, and he noticed that there were certain features
about them that did not belong to his guides. In fact,
it was almost like these beings were trying to play
the role without really fulfilling it to the t. So
there were certain facial features, there were certain aspects of
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the mask that did not belong to the original guides
of his And this is fascinating, but this will tell
you where we are right now on the field. As
soon as he realized that these guys were just lying
to him, they were deceiving him, he said, they changed
their appearance, and it's something that looked inhuman. Next thing
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he knows, and this is his son's testimony. Now, he said,
next thing I know, he said, I was downstairs. My
father comes stumbling down the stairway. He's inconsoplable, he's white
as a she's why is a sheep? And he's crying
his eyes out, he said, he said, my father had
a massive heart attack. And he said, by the time
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we got himTo the hospital, there were subdermal scarifications from
underneath the skin moving to the surface of religious ambulets.
One religious annual there were three of them, but one
was the star of David. The other one was across
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but upwards towards his neck there was an art Egyptian hieroglyph.
So whatever we're dealing with, I'm leaning more towards sorcery
or sorcerers in the way that they are employing their
rituals and their symbolism.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Do you think that this is the historic fight between
good and evil? But that has been plagued upon this
planet and we human since day one?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yes, And whatever we're dealing with, they're playing by different rules,
my friend, and it took me a while to get
to this point. Reading demonological literature, the book Phenomenon Abduction, Phenomenon,
the Fetus Syndrome, all of the above, I tarted to
realize that the reason they're playing by different rules is
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because they're playing a different game in much of what
we've come to know as has been nearly been propaganda
employed by the phenomenon in an effort to evade us.
And it's just a it's a troubling aspect.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
How do we make the connection between a demons and
daily in abduction.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
It's very easy, It's very easy. So, I mean, if
you get back to the missing fetus syndrome, even that
phenomenon did not originate in upology, had originated in antiquity specifically,
not just an antiquity, but in the sixteenth century when
we started to have the advent of what we're called
dream demons. Essentially, women were going to be at night
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time and being induced into a dream like state, intoitequods
in manifest to them in the nightmare. Then it would
assault them. And I'm not going to get, you know,
too deep into it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, please don't, because we're a family. We're a family, right.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, definitely not gonna do that, but appreciate it. Yeah.
So yeah, and they had the female. The woman would
encounter this entity and then the next day she would think, Okay,
it's just a dream, there's just a nightmare. And then
while she's at work. She looks down in the our ligature,
marks of our hands and wrists that directly correlate with
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a nightmare she had the night before. And to go
even deeper here, we're starting to draw out what I
considered to be the multi pathology. That entity would then
possess the woman. Is it okay? If I say that,
I mean I don't. But it would then possess the
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woman to the point that she would start having different
memories that did not belong to her experience. And so
then what they would do is these women would multiple women,
they would present themselves to the exorcists. And more than
being possessed by the entity, these women were known to
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have two pulses in the same body.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
How should you have how can you have two pulses
in the same.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
To go, You're gonna catch it, brother, When you see it,
you're gonna be like, oh my god. So the two
pulses in the same body, even more than that, two
heart beats in the same body. And when these women
were introducing themselves to the exorcist, they were possessed by
the entity, but they look to have been with child,
They look to have been pregnant. Hence the two heart
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beats and two pulses. This, this phenomenon led demonologists to
ask probably the most profound question ever, at least in
this field, and that was is this woman possessed by
the entity or is she pregnant with it?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's a heavy question.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It's a profound question, my friend. And so what occurred there?
And this is it's incredible because again, sometimes the phenomenon
will slip up and we can see beyond the veil,
and this this is one of those moments. Well, what
happened was these women were you know, prisoning, like I said,
presenting themselves to the exorcism. When the exorcism was successful,
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the phenomenon took both the consciousness inside of the woman
and the fetus that she was pregnant with at the
same time. That is in deemnology. But we would know
that right now as the missing fetus syndrome in uphology.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But is there any evidence to support these claims, any
medical records or any substantial or physical proof, because you know,
I hear where you're coming from, and I've known, I
know after doing the show for thirty years. Anything as possible.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
However, new people listening are saying, oh, come on really,
so how do we how do we tell the people
or how do we show the people that yes, there
is evidence to substantiate these claims, are there? Are there
are there medical records?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yes, in terms of modernity, absolutely, their medical records. And
the problem though that we're finding is that these doctors, kindecologists,
all of the above, they're not willing to risk their
careers to validate research that they consider to be fringe.
And we know that even the documentary Extraordinary Seeding they
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discuss that in depth, almost ad nauseum in a way.
But absolutely and so But regarding the sixteenth century d
Luke phenomenon, what we have are are basically then documenting
it to the best of their ability without the scientific method.
But in terms of modernity, yes, we do have evidence
of that, both within the UFO abduction phenomenon and within
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the Inky By case studies.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now, according to eufologists, there are over one hundred different
species of aliens that are visiting this planet and are
and are on this planet at this very time. Is
it possible that what we consider to be ets are
actually demons and that these ets have nothing to do
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with you know, somewhere out there, but actually another dimension,
and when they manifest in this dimension into a physical
form that we have perceived them to be or have
been given thought by these ets or by these demons
as to who they really are, not, for example, they're
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not demons. Well you know, let's let's let's let's get
the humans to call us aliens from another planet. Is
this how, in your opinion they work?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Well, I do believe they employ masks, they do like
to avail themselves, and then they do what's called are
two things that they do. Number one, it's called the
manufacturing of consent. In number two, it's called perception management.
But to your question, that is one theory that we are,
in fact dealing with demons that are masquerading as the et. Now,
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I'm just gonna say this, there is evidence to suggest
that as well. I mean, if you look back at
the beginning of the UFO craze in the nineteen fifties, Yes,
Georgia Danski, George Hunt Williamson, most of these experiencers encountered
these ets by virtue of building stone altars just like
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the pagan God's in antiquity, and making sacrifices. I mean,
even George Hunt Williamson he was contacting ets by virtue
of a homemade Wiji board, So there are interconnectivities. But
again the phenomenon will employ masks, and I think that's
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where we are at. The field is okay, how do
we vet it? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know on this show we have something called commercials
that we have to take. So please end by Nathaniel.
Thanks very much for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
X O Nation.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Our guest is Nathaniel Gillis. He's on Instagram the Nathaniel
Gillis and also on YouTube. Just get to YouTube and
type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is the xceone. I am
Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our broadcast center
in studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on your hometown
radio Classic twelve twenty and around the world on Classic
(28:34):
twelfth twenty dot CA. Skeptic or believer, send me your
email x Zone at xzonradio TV dot com, or right
here to the studio x Zone at Classic twelve twenty
dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the X Zone,
a place where fact is fiction and fiction is reality.
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Speaker 5 (29:47):
She's got the Devil and.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
She's gonna te me.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I'll take She's got the Devil.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Welcome back to everyone. This is the excellent I am
Rob McConnell, and you're listening to the excellon radio show
right here from our broadcast center in studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
on your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming around
the world on Classic twelve twenty dot CA. A Nathaniel
Gillis is our special guest. We're talking about demons, extraterrestrials,
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the darker side of the paranormal, shadow figures, and much more.
If you'd like to find out more about Nathaniel, visit
his Instagram account that is the Nathaniel Gillis, and he
also has a YouTube channel. All you need to do
is just go to YouTube and type in Nathaniel Gillis.
All right, this whole thing with ets and a you know,
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ET's and demons, no they this seems to be well
hard to believe that this has been going on for
so long and we're just cluing in now.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
That's a good point, and to a degree of witness
researchers in the field articulating the same thing. The problem is,
my friend, that many of us have been so focused
on the phenomenon's current incarnation i e. The E T right,
that we've neglected the other case studies that preceded this
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new incarnation. Case in point in which error literature. For
those who are book readers like I am, probably like
you are, sir, You're very smart. So I'm just assuming
you know that that in which your literature, there's a
book called aerosy a guy named r. El Masters, and
(32:09):
he's talking this is so fascinating. He's not talking about
UFO abduction at allsoever, never mentions that in the three
hundred page book. But but he does talk about instances
where I'm just gonna call it the phenomenon or the intelligence.
The intelligence would abduct a witch out of her bed
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at night time, replace her with the familiar spirit. So
when the husband gets up to get a glass of
water or something, he thinks his wife is still with him,
but the intelligence would kidnap her, replace her with the
familiar spirit, fly her on what we're considered to be
and this is the this is the classical term for it. Okay,
(32:53):
demonic flights. And initially what what happened is they would
fly these witches is over to a sabbot on like
a hillside or on a mountaintop, and then it would encountered,
I'm just gonna say, encounter them. It would be a
bad grammar, but it would induce them into a physical encounter.
(33:14):
How about that kind of skirt around that. But in
doing so, the witch thinks that she is encountering and
in dealing with either a demon or a corpse and
so the phenomenon is creating an entire theatrical production so
as to play the role of the belief system this
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witch is involved in. And in this book by Ril Masters,
he details a rather unique manifestation where there's a crack
in the mass because what started happening was the technology
the phenomenon was employing. It was fuzzing in and out.
And what was happening is that at once what was
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once rather ecubi or demons or corpses, These women are
looking around and they're not even on a hilltop anymore.
They have no idea where they are. Furthermore, these were
not corpses or demons. They were being poked and prodded
by metallic objects that were taking ova and insanity them
(34:22):
with fetuses. So this is another example, just one example
of the phenomenon masking itself as demonic in order to
hide from us, in order to devail itself and its
true nature.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Why would why would these entities or these demons, why
would they need to kidnap or steal a fetus for what?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Well, this gets back into the self replication of species
and into incubi and suck you by literature. But the
most valid theory I have heard to date is that
these beings are placing their consciousness into these fetuses and
using them as biological avatars. That is the, like I said,
(35:15):
the most valid and cohesive theory i've heard.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
All Right, So, why why would these demons use humans
instead of Well, apparently they're coming in. They're doing their
their own dirty work, so to speak. Why would they
have to incorporate their will, their desire, their spirit into
a fetus if they have the ability to just do
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it on their own?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Very good question. There's something about the womb. I call
it the mortal portal, but there's something about the human
womb they that they are after this. See, if we're
going to look at the phenomenon as a whole, it's
difficult not to see the esoteric connection with it. I mean,
(36:04):
if we go back into history, like I said in
the nineteen fifties, right, these beings were not manifesting to NASA,
They were not manifesting to physicists or astronauts. They were
manifesting and responding in seances. They were responding to what
are called earthen altars and esoteric rights. In moving even
(36:25):
forward with that thought, if these beings are in fact
responding to incantations from ancient Mesopotamia. Then we see a
nuanced version of esotericism involved. Now, if that's the case,
it opens the door for what's called fetus magic. Where
(36:46):
this is kind of hard to believe too, but I
mean still it's relevant. But essentially what they were doing
in antiquity. This is from The Red Fez by Fritz
Kramer and The Golden Bow by James Fraser, both are anthropologists.
But we're talking about is the right of sorcery. Where
this gets back to why I believe some of these
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are sorcerers and magicians. Where if the magician is dying,
what he would do is he would go and inciminate
a woman with a fetus. Now we would consider that
to be an inch of us right, absolutely, but we
didn't realize what was occurring, and so he would inciminate
her with the fetus. He would dispossess his own body
in common dear that new fetus as a biological avatar.
(37:30):
Matter of fact, there are some researchers that believe this
is exactly what happened to Alistair Crowley. Matter of fact, anyways,
I don't want to ramble.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Sometimes it's all right, it's almost like it's demonic reincarnation. Yes, yes,
But something I've noticed is that it seems that these
demons aren't very smart, or they don't they're not very
technologically advanced, because if they have to keep on stealing
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a fetus from a human, that means they do not
have the technology to replicate full, full fetuses using DNA.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Correct, Which is that strange? You think about what I mean,
even now in the twenty first century. You know, we've
created artificial wombs, and some say that we've created fetuses
in those artificial wombs for some reason, If these beings
are that far ahead of us, why are they still
wanting to create what I've considered to be an embryonic
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relationship with us?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Exactly that? You know, that's the same question you can
ask about cattle mutilation. Why keep on white? You know,
why keep on abducting all these cows? If you can
fly across the universe and go through wormholes and you're
so highly technologically advanced, one cow should suffice.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Absolutely, sir an Absolutely, great point. Yeah, and you have
to still they're still doing these, you know, catam emulations.
So there are things that make no sense whatsoever, and
it's sad because it Let me throw this at your
real quick brother, if I may. Let's think about an
intelligence that has possibly been here since the dawn of
recorded history. Let's think about an intelligence that has evolved
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alongside of us. It is present with but absent from now.
In the thousands of years at least, that's conservative, thousands
of years of our existence and written history, we have
documented virtually nothing in terms of relevant data. We do
(39:41):
not know its origin, we do not know its intent,
we do not know its nature, we do not know
its real appearance. And so what kind of intelligence could
do that unless there's a measure of control it has
over us as a species.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know what, I think I know exactly what's going on.
They're hiding right in plain sight, because if you read
the Bible and other religious religious books, it talks about
the devil, it talks about the negative side, it talks
about the Nephilim. You know, these ancient texts are filled
with these examples. Is it possible that we're so naive
that we believe we know everything, that the answers are
(40:22):
right in front of us, and yet we refuse to
accept them because they're old.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yes, absolutely, And the great points are I'll take that
and I'll go a step further. Please, we have researcher,
We have researchers in the field that have spent thirty
five years studying only one incarnation. What they're doing to
their own demise is excluding case studies from an earlier
(40:50):
mask get employed in antiquity. So what do I mean
by that, Well, let's look at this for a fitting moment.
We know for a fact that these beings have manifested
as angels. Yeah see doctor Collecturner's book Masquerade Eve Angels.
We know they've manifested as guides that case study I
mentioned previously. We know that they have manifested as ghosts
(41:11):
and DC's loved ones. And like I said before, that
the phenomenon evolves according to our awareness of it. We
have fifty plus years, my friend of us having the
ability to test or quote test the spirits. If it
is dear At Edna, it's going to act like dear
At Edna. Its knowledge and belief system will match dear
(41:34):
At Edna's historical record, right, And so there's a way
that we can vet them. And so the phenomenon realized that,
and so in an effort to evade, it evolved and
it introduced a new character into the program, one that
cannot be vetted, and that's the eating.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
All right, I can see where that has possibilities, but
how do we prove it? This is what we need
to do in order to get a lot more people
on board, especially the scientific community, working with the religious,
different organizations. All right, well, I'm gonna let you chew
(42:20):
on that until we come back from our final break.
Great talking to you, and Nathaniel Gillis is our guest
xall Nation on Instagram the Nathaniel Gillis and he also
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(42:42):
hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming around the world
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Speaker 6 (42:51):
We'll be backed on the boy.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
I'll take my chances.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
Jesus the Devil went down to Georgia. He was looking
for a soul of steel. He was in a bine
(43:36):
because he was way behind it. He was willing to
make a deal when he came across this young man
sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot. And the
devil jumped up on a hickory dump said, boy, let
me tell you what. I guess you didn't know it,
but I'm a fiddle player too, and if you'd care
to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Now you've played pretty good, fiddle, boy, but give the
devil his due. I bet a fiddle of gold against
(43:57):
your souldiers. I think I'm better than you. The boy said,
my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but
I'll take your bet. You're going to regret because I'm
the business everyban Johnny.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Here's up your bowl and player fiddle.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Excellannation. We're talking about devils, We're talking about evil. We're
talking about, oh my gosh, the Darker side of the
paranormal with my guest this hour, Nathaniel Gillis. And he's
on Instagram, Nathaniel the Nathaniel Gillis. And before we get
back to Nathaniel, I just like to remind everyone that
the X Zone is now from ten pm until midnight,
(44:31):
which means after Nathaniel, we have another guest coming on, who,
by the way, is a former police detective who has
a team of investigators and is part of an organization
throughout Canada and the United States where only law enforcement
officers actually do investigations of the paranormal. So that is
coming up after the top of the hour. Nathaniel. First
(44:53):
of all, before we go on, I'd like to thank
you for joining us tonight, and can you tell us
about some of the research that's out there going into
the the darker side of demonology, in fact just demonology,
because as far as I'm concerned, it's all kind of
really dark, Yes.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
Sir, So, right now the field is being dominated by
Catholic demonology, which there's nothing wrong with that. However, the
phenomenon we're discussing tonight has eclipsed that microcausing you know,
there are certain rules that we were led to believe
they follow that they simply do not follow. And so
(45:29):
even evangelical researchers that I personally know that I'm friends with,
they're having to adjust their model because if they're saying
that these are nepheline, then it starts to get into
a religious philosophy. Why would they First of all, how
would they know when people will die? How can they simulate?
(45:50):
And these are just some things that they're capable of,
and I can back these up with the case studies.
How can they simulate near death experiences? How can they
appeel souls out of bodies? In all of this it
points to again an intelligence that is playing by different rules.
In much of these rules that we thought they were
(46:11):
playing by were merely the byproduct of the mask they employed.
And so, like I said, evangelical researchers, they're starting to
realize that listen, if these are in fact demonic in nature,
you were in for it like we were in for
a battle, because there is something completely different.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Is it possible that we're trying to overthink the entire scenario,
that we're using modern technology to try and solve ancient,
ancient mysteries.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yes, in to a large degree, what we're witnessing with
this intelligence is in fact ancient technology. I mean, think
a look at this for a second, my friend. If
you look at the necromantic ritual Potamia, and in Biblical antiquity,
one of them was called the Terrifyme and this gets
(47:06):
back into you know, building altars which they responded to
and performing these incantations. But in Biblical antiquity, in the Levant,
there was a necromantic ritual where the necromancer would go
and dig up either he would dig up a corpse
or he would go find a living person, and he
(47:27):
would carve the name of an unclean spirit into a
small piece of metal and implanted into the body of
an individual. In the consciousness of that entity would come
and dear of that person's body in wear it as
(47:48):
what's called us social skin. Now again, in modernity we
know that as the implant. But its root, its origin,
it is not found again, It's not found in just technology,
but it's rooted in the fertile soil of esotericism and sorcery.
(48:09):
Now can I go a little bit further with us?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Oh yes, please, Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Now, there is a There was a group. It probably
still exists under a different name. The nineteen fifties there
was a group called the Collins Elite, and I know
a lot of people in ufology frown on them for
certain reasons, which I can understand to a degree. But
the Colons Elite were a part of the Department of defense.
(48:34):
Many of them were physicists, but their goal was to
search out any and all interconnectivities between uphology and the occult.
And one of the experiments they ran it's phenomenal. But
what they did is they went to England and they
scooped up soil samples found in authentic crop circles. They
(48:56):
put them underneath the microscope and they documented a unique
energy signature and a cellular anomaly in that sample. They
then went into their laboratory, hired a practitioner of sorcery
or magic, and asked them to read incantations from this
(49:19):
grim wire that they had in an effort to physically
or spiritually harm someone. It's gonna blow your mind. They
blew my mind at least, and once the incantation was
successful and the phenomenon manifested, they then went around that
laboratory and collected samples. Some of them were soil, but anyways,
(49:45):
they compared these soil samples and other samples from the environment.
They compared the environment with the incantations to the soil
from the crop circle, and they discovered that they both
shared the idea cellular anomaly in the identical energy signature.
(50:06):
This led them to believe that not only were these
beings manifesting to earth and altars and to practitioners of magic,
but that there is a major portion of what they're
doing that consists of dark sorcery, which I will refer
(50:26):
back to the case study where they carved religious amulets
into the flesh. So it's all pointing in that direction.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Is there any connection with in your opinion, with the
the increased number of demonic sightings, demonic possessions, general sociological
interest in demons, and the hydron collider.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
To a degree, To a degree, it's disturbing because, okay,
even our federal government is trying to do what they're
trying to do over there. Essentially, the idea is, if
we can open up a portal, if we can build
an altar that's big enough, right, if we can say
an incantation that's successful enough, these beings will enlighten us
(51:16):
and give us certain what are called magical technologies. This
gets back into Jack Parsons an Allister Crowley. The problem is,
and this is what the Colins Elite discovery. The problem
is when we think we're under when we think that
we have them under our control, what we're realizing is
that we are being manipulated and that they have been
(51:39):
in control the entire time.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Let me ask you something here. A lot of people
who investigate the dark side of the paranormal claim that
holy water and religious heart effects have a protective value
when it comes to personal attacks or even exorcisms. If
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these people, okay, people, God, I'm giving them more credit
than they deserve. If these creatures are so powerful, why
would holy water or a crucifix or even a prayer
affect them?
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Well, if you looked out, Okay, So this is very interesting. Now,
there was a Franciscan priest named Father sent astroidan Nino,
and he was dealing with incuby case studies where these
beings were carving ambulets underneath people's eyelids. But one day,
when he was on his way home from dinner, he
was on a dirt road and according to his testimony,
(52:46):
a demon manifested in front of him, and he used
his holy water, employed all of his annulets in nothing worked,
absolutely nothing, And so he was forced to categorize this entity.
And this is so funny to me personally, I think
it's hilarious. As a pagan demon religion defines what's demonic,
(53:11):
but it was a pagan demon And so what we're realizing,
I mean, you know, there are beings that seemingly and
this is a very conservative way of saying it, but
they seemingly follow those roles. And the problem is this
that you have an entire religious movement that bases the
(53:32):
validity of their doctrine on the success of their exorcisms. Meanwhile,
and this is a fact. Meanwhile, we have case studies
where during investigations, the priests will go into the haunted
house put a vial of holy water in a room
in while they're trying to collect EBPs. That entity is
(53:53):
siphoning the holy water right out of the vile. A sure,
playing by different rules.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
You know what, You've just put a whole new spin
on the you know, the immaculate conception.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
Yes, in terms of the incubay or.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
You know, the immaculate conception of Mary and the birth
of Christ.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Absolutely, my friend. Yeah, and it does seem to be
it doesn't seem to be afterlife phenomenon. Me. Even in
Egyptology they had what's called the image of the invisible,
and that is exactly I think what we're seeing in anyways.
But yeah, so that's what I believe is occurring is
(54:44):
I know we've got to wrap it up here in
a little bit, but these beings are playing by different
rules because they're playing a different game. And the problem
that we're having right now on the field is we're
ignorant of the game.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Well, I think I think part of the problem is
is that, like you were saying, they don't play by
our rules because they're playing with in my opinion, they're
playing with techniques and manifestations that are totally out of
our sphere of comprehension, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
Sir, and sadly enough. And people need to understand where
I'm coming from. I grew up in the evangelical movement.
My dad is a pastor. Wow, And I've lost a
lot of evangelical friends because I'm trying to get them
to realize that if these beings are in fact demons,
then we have to stretch our we have to grow
out of the dogma and grow into the data. And
(55:39):
you know, they're capabilities, it's beyond the modern conception of
the demonic.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
We've got about a minute that I'd like you to
share a message with the explanation and enlighten them within
that minute on what they can do in case they
believe they feel that they are part of a demonic
or a demon's wish, you know, to manifest and to
(56:09):
take over one well.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
First of all, for the sake of research, document anything
and everything you can. Second of all, there is one
common thematic element, both in history and in modernity. It
is the thing that they are the most afraid of,
at least according to the data, and that is iron
iron iron, either iron anulets. I recommend an iron cross
(56:36):
and I can give you case studies, but we don't
have time.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
We don't have time now, but we'll certainly have you
back in the future. Nathaniel, I want to thank you
so much for joining us, and just keep the great
work up and keep us abreast of what's happening. And
if there's any earth shattering demonic research that brings up
some information to light that would be of a great
asset to our audience. Got a hold of me, and
(57:00):
we'll get you on as soon as we can.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
Yes, sir, thank you again for having me on.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
It was wonderful, my great pleasure. To take care of yourself.
Be safe you see, bye bye now Nathaniel Gillis has
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side of the paranormal this hour with our guest Nathaniel Gillis.
And Nathaniel is in Dayton, Ohio. And Nathaniel, welcome to
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Speaker 4 (02:51):
Thank you for having me, sir. It's great to be
with you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's great having you here too. Tell us a little
bit about yourself and how you how you got to
do that thing you do with the demonology thing you was.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So it all began for me when I was eight
years old. My parents had moved into a new house,
and when we were actually looking at the house prior
to purchasing it, my dad took me by the hand
and led me into my future room and he basically said,
nathanie'l take a look around. Figure out where you're going
to be placing your chester drawers, your bed, and all
(03:25):
of your stuff. And so I was, and for some
reason I felt compelled to look underneath the bed that
was in the corner of the room, and to my astonishment,
when I looked underneath the bed, there was a full
bodied apparition of what appeared to be an eight year
old girl. She had long black hair, she was wearing
(03:48):
a white linen dress that looked to have been made
during the turn of a century, and I didn't know
who she belonged to. At the first blush, I thought
that she maybe lived in the neighborhood or something and
snuck in. I had no idea, but once we moved
into the house that d in its pathology, and by
(04:10):
the time we moved out of the house, it had
turned into a malevolent haunting hands down. And so that
was my very first encounter with this phenomenon we're researching now.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
When you say malevolent haunting, what kind of haunting activity
was there?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Oh, my goodness, almost well, I can tell you this.
There was. At nighttime, there was what's called DVP direct
voice phenomenon, And so I would wake up from a
dream or a nightmare and I could hear two entities
conversing with each other just above my head. And more
(04:46):
than that, there would be this kind of smoky ball
or a cloud that would hover in the corner of
the room at nighttime.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And then here's what's the craziest part about it was
that the the the entity would induce me into looping nightmares.
And what's so crazy about this? Even to this date,
I'm thirty five years old, it still sticks with me.
But I had no frame of reference for anything that
these nightmares consisted of, none whatsoever. For instance, I didn't
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know what addiction was. I didn't know what insulin was
or anything remotely close to that, and yet in these
nightmares they were the same nightmare every time, but they
consisted of me walking towards a shelter at a park,
and there were two young men, maybe about twenty twenty
(05:41):
one years old, and they were sitting on a picic
table with their backs turned towards me. The gentleman on
the right had a needle stuck in his left arm,
and like I said, I had no historical reference from that.
I had no idea what he was doing. And he
never turned around noticed I was there. But the gentman
(06:02):
on the left did, and when he turned around, he
kind of grinned, he made eye contact, and then he
pulled out a black three fifty seven magnum and it's
gonna get dark real quick. But this is just telling
you exactly what I went through. But he put it
in it. He put it in his mouth, my friend,
He put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger,
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at which over and over again I would shake myself awake.
There would be a cold chill in the room, and
there would just be this pervasive darkness all over the place,
and I could feel it feeding off of my fear.
And so that's I mean. Of course, there were other manifestations.
(06:43):
You know, the entity would displace its weight on our
wooden floors. I saw shadow figures, but you know, the
whole gamut was present. But that was instrumental in leading
me into the field that I'm in today now.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Prior to moving into this house, had you had any
experience whatsoever with paranormal.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Not at all, sir, at all. I didn't even know
what it was.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
How about your family, did they suffer any ill effects
from the paranormal events that you were participating in?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
None in that house. None in that house. Now, when
we moved across town and do a new home, my
mother did encounter shadow people and that was her first
experience with the phenomenon. But to my knowledge, neither of them,
even my my younger brother, none of them experienced what
I experienced. And it was quite a shock.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
For a little bit, I thought I was going crazy.
I didn't understand exactly what was going on. But you know,
I'm not alone in that. There are plenty of experiences
out there where they're the only they're the only individual
and the entire family that are witnessing this phenomenon. So
for whatever reason, I was the only one.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Explanation Nathaniel Gillis is my special guest, and we're talking
about demons, demonology, the dark side of the paranormal right
here on the xone on Classic twelve twenty. Any idea
throughout the years that you've been researching the demonology and
the darker side as to why you the only person
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within your family that has been having these encounters of
a demonic type.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I have no idea, brother, no idea. I know that
there are certain people in this world that are given
gifts and different sensitivities to the spirit world, and I
believe personally this is just my conviction that sometimes the
phenomenon will target them with suicidal ideation or addiction or
(08:52):
what I call the disfigurement of destiny, where for whatever reason,
the phenomenon does not want to deal with them. They're
a threat to this intelligence we're all researching, and I
believe that to be the case. I mean, the entity
that I encountered, it wanted me to commit suicide. And
(09:14):
to this day, there are times when I get too
deep into the research and it gets too dark, I'll
feel that entity creep up on me and for a
flitting moment, I'm back in my bed at three in
the morning, paralyzed in terror. But you know, it's just
a part of the field. It's a part of the research,
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and it's a part of being who I am, and
I believe who I'm called to be.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You know, you said some people have this gift. To me,
it sounds like your gift is a curse.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh yes, yes, it is in a way. You know,
the phenomenon will target us. And I've actually worked with
experiencers who they just they became addicted to substances and
you know, alcoholism, drug abuse, mainly because they've never been
able to deal with the traumatic events they went through
(10:08):
in a haunted house or in a possession case or
something of alike. And you know, it's interesting because this
gets into magic and what we would consider to be
initiatory practices. I mean, you could have fifteen different people
perform the same rituals, perform even prayers, even prayers, perform
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the same prayers, and only one of them will get results.
And I can't put my finger on it, but there
is there are rather, I should say, there are people
who are more in tune with the spirit world than others.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know, one out of fifteen who get the results,
do they get the results in all aspects of the testing,
or is it only in one specific prayer or one
specific incantation, or you know, is it just one or
is it right across the board.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
It depends on the person. But usually if it's successful
in one genre, it's going to be equally, if not
more successful than another. You know, it's so interesting to
me because again, the phenomenon will target people and it's
almost like it and I don't know if it can
do this, but it's the implication suggested it can, but
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it's almost like it seas into the future and it
would rather take people out now than have to deal
with them later on. I mean, that's the only way
I can rationalize it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So if they only if they take certain people to
deal with them now, this would kind of implicate that,
or not implicate, but show evidence that they have dealt
with these people like yourself before in a previous life,
and they know what the future is going to be,
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so they want to take care of you now before
you get the strength or the ability to fight them
off or eradicate them.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Correct. Correct, And you know there are a few people
out there that can actually avail. And if anything is
true about the phenomenon. It does not want to be
seen for what it is. And that's what I really believe.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Before it go any further, how would you describe or
define a demon?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
There are two hypotheses throughout history, or at least two
dominating theories. One is that a demon is a mutated ghost,
and the other theory is essentially that it's a fallen angel.
Now I have my own grievances with the fallen angel
hypothesis because the term fallen angel isn't even written in
the Bible. It's a construct created after it was written.
(12:49):
But you know, those are the two dominating theories. But
I'm gonna say this, and it's going to be shocking,
but and it took me a long time of being
in a field doing cleansings and then performing academic work
to come to this conclusion. But I believe that there
is a singular intelligence that is masking itself as both
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demonic and et in order to hide from us. And
there is evidence to suggest that, which we'll get into
before the night's over.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Sure sounds like a plan, my friend, excellnation, I guess
this hour is Nathaniel Gillison If you'd like to check
them out, on Instagram, it's the Nathaniel Gillis and he
also has a YouTube channel. Just go to YouTube and
type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is the X and I
am Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our broadcast
center and studios in St. Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on your
(13:43):
hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming around the world
on Classic twelve twenty dot CAA. You can also send
me an email X Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot
ca and Nathaniel and I will be back on the
other side of this kind of short commercial break here
in the X zone where we search for answers. Well,
(14:03):
you know what, we're also demanding the truth. Nathaniel and
I will be back on the other side of the break.
Don't go away, I like.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
To he smiled at me.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I felt the he that enveloped me.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
And molesaw I like to see. I never knew.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I shoe and welcome to your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty,
coming to you from our broad cast center in studios
in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, and streaming around the world
on A Classic twelve twenty dot ca A. Nathaniel Gillis
is our special guest at this hour. We're talking about evil,
We're talking about demons, we're talking about shadow people, the
(15:16):
as well as all aspects of the darker side of
the paranormal.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Before we went to the break, you.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Kind of gave us a little bit of a teaser
when you were talking about the alien alien demon connection.
Can we get into that because that sounds rather ominous
and yet very intriguing.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yes, sir, it's uh, it's been an interest of mine
now for many years. But my hypothesis now, and this
is going to be kind of disappointing to those who
follow me because you know, people try to put me
in a box. They hear demonologists, and so they think that,
you know, I'm either Catholic or I'm somebody that goes
in and you know, sings holy water. Nothing against any
(16:01):
of that. I'm just I'm kind of a hybrid, Okay,
kind of a hybrid. And Blade has been centered around
the interconnectivities between the demonic and the et and there
is evidence that I will quote here in a little bit,
but there is evidence that suggests that both of them
are in fact masks of a sceneular intelligence and this
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intelligence is in largely it's it's in control of a
lot of things in our life and in this world,
in this world, but even more than that, it has
evolved according to our awareness of it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And so No, I was just going to say, it
sounds like whoever or whatever the senator is, who can
mask as as the the negative side of society as
well as the positive side. Where does this fit in
with religious philosophies?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
No, Well, even right now, if you look at the
evangelical researchers, they're starting to come to a very startling conclusion.
Whatever we're dealing with, my friend, as he clipsed the
microcosm of known demonology, whatever this intelligence is, it does
not obey any known rules within demonological theory. What do
(17:26):
you mean, Ithaniel? Let me say like this. I had
a case study not about two or three years ago
now where an individual his father was a famous remote viewer,
and he would often go out of body and it
was almost like a UFO abduction. He would enter in
this metallic room and his guides would flank him on
(17:48):
the right and left sides. Well, you know, they would
give him insights prophecies, and then when he would get
back into his body. He would then call like a
famous celebrity or a local politician and give them poll
numbers and insights into their campaign. Well, one night, his
(18:08):
father went into one of his sessions and everything was
going according to the protocol. However, when he arrived in
this metallic room, these beings had appeared to him, and
at first blush they did look like his guides. But
when he was there, he started to look at them
(18:30):
more intensely, and he noticed that there were certain features
about them that did not belong to his guides. In fact,
it was almost like these beings were trying to play
the role without really fulfilling it to the t. So
there were certain facial features, there were certain aspects of
(18:51):
the mask that did not belong to the original guides
of his And this is fascinating, but this will tell
you where we are right now on the field. As
soon as he realized that these guys were just lying
to him, they were deceiving him, he said, they changed
their appearance, and it's something that looked inhuman. Next thing
(19:13):
he knows, and this is his son's testimony. Now, he said,
next thing I know, he said, I was downstairs. My
father comes stumbling down the stairway. He's inconsoplable, he's white
as a she's why is a sheep? And he's crying
his eyes out, he said, he said, my father had
a massive heart attack. And he said, by the time
(19:34):
we got himTo the hospital, there were subdermal scarifications from
underneath the skin moving to the surface of religious ambulets.
One religious annual there were three of them, but one
was the star of David. The other one was across
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but upwards towards his neck there was an art Egyptian hieroglyph.
So whatever we're dealing with, I'm leaning more towards sorcery
or sorcerers in the way that they are employing their
rituals and their symbolism.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Do you think that this is the historic fight between
good and evil? But that has been plagued upon this
planet and we human since day one?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yes, And whatever we're dealing with, they're playing by different rules,
my friend, and it took me a while to get
to this point. Reading demonological literature, the book Phenomenon Abduction, Phenomenon,
the Fetus Syndrome, all of the above, I tarted to
realize that the reason they're playing by different rules is
(20:53):
because they're playing a different game in much of what
we've come to know as has been nearly been propaganda
employed by the phenomenon in an effort to evade us.
And it's just a it's a troubling aspect.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
How do we make the connection between a demons and
daily in abduction.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
It's very easy, It's very easy. So, I mean, if
you get back to the missing fetus syndrome, even that
phenomenon did not originate in upology, had originated in antiquity specifically,
not just an antiquity, but in the sixteenth century when
we started to have the advent of what we're called
dream demons. Essentially, women were going to be at night
(21:37):
time and being induced into a dream like state, intoitequods
in manifest to them in the nightmare. Then it would
assault them. And I'm not going to get, you know,
too deep into it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, please don't, because we're a family. We're a family, right.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, definitely not gonna do that, but appreciate it. Yeah.
So yeah, and they had the female. The woman would
encounter this entity and then the next day she would think, Okay,
it's just a dream, there's just a nightmare. And then
while she's at work. She looks down in the our ligature,
marks of our hands and wrists that directly correlate with
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a nightmare she had the night before. And to go
even deeper here, we're starting to draw out what I
considered to be the multi pathology. That entity would then
possess the woman. Is it okay? If I say that,
I mean I don't. But it would then possess the
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woman to the point that she would start having different
memories that did not belong to her experience. And so
then what they would do is these women would multiple women,
they would present themselves to the exorcists. And more than
being possessed by the entity, these women were known to
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have two pulses in the same body.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
How should you have how can you have two pulses
in the same.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
To go, You're gonna catch it, brother, When you see it,
you're gonna be like, oh my god. So the two
pulses in the same body, even more than that, two
heart beats in the same body. And when these women
were introducing themselves to the exorcist, they were possessed by
the entity, but they look to have been with child,
They look to have been pregnant. Hence the two heart
(23:29):
beats and two pulses. This, this phenomenon led demonologists to
ask probably the most profound question ever, at least in
this field, and that was is this woman possessed by
the entity or is she pregnant with it?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's a heavy question.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It's a profound question, my friend. And so what occurred there?
And this is it's incredible because again, sometimes the phenomenon
will slip up and we can see beyond the veil,
and this this is one of those moments. Well, what
happened was these women were you know, prisoning, like I said,
presenting themselves to the exorcism. When the exorcism was successful,
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the phenomenon took both the consciousness inside of the woman
and the fetus that she was pregnant with at the
same time. That is in deemnology. But we would know
that right now as the missing fetus syndrome in uphology.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But is there any evidence to support these claims, any
medical records or any substantial or physical proof, because you know,
I hear where you're coming from, and I've known, I
know after doing the show for thirty years. Anything as possible.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
However, new people listening are saying, oh, come on really,
so how do we how do we tell the people
or how do we show the people that yes, there
is evidence to substantiate these claims, are there? Are there
are there medical records?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yes, in terms of modernity, absolutely, their medical records. And
the problem though that we're finding is that these doctors, kindecologists,
all of the above, they're not willing to risk their
careers to validate research that they consider to be fringe.
And we know that even the documentary Extraordinary Seeding they
(25:30):
discuss that in depth, almost ad nauseum in a way.
But absolutely and so But regarding the sixteenth century d
Luke phenomenon, what we have are are basically then documenting
it to the best of their ability without the scientific method.
But in terms of modernity, yes, we do have evidence
of that, both within the UFO abduction phenomenon and within
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the Inky By case studies.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now, according to eufologists, there are over one hundred different
species of aliens that are visiting this planet and are
and are on this planet at this very time. Is
it possible that what we consider to be ets are
actually demons and that these ets have nothing to do
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with you know, somewhere out there, but actually another dimension,
and when they manifest in this dimension into a physical
form that we have perceived them to be or have
been given thought by these ets or by these demons
as to who they really are, not, for example, they're
(26:40):
not demons. Well you know, let's let's let's let's get
the humans to call us aliens from another planet. Is
this how, in your opinion they work?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Well, I do believe they employ masks, they do like
to avail themselves, and then they do what's called are
two things that they do. Number one, it's called the
manufacturing of consent. In number two, it's called perception management.
But to your question, that is one theory that we are,
in fact dealing with demons that are masquerading as the et. Now,
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I'm just gonna say this, there is evidence to suggest
that as well. I mean, if you look back at
the beginning of the UFO craze in the nineteen fifties, Yes,
Georgia Danski, George Hunt Williamson, most of these experiencers encountered
these ets by virtue of building stone altars just like
(27:39):
the pagan God's in antiquity, and making sacrifices. I mean,
even George Hunt Williamson he was contacting ets by virtue
of a homemade Wiji board, So there are interconnectivities. But
again the phenomenon will employ masks, and I think that's
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where we are at. The field is okay, how do
we vet it? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know on this show we have something called commercials
that we have to take. So please end by Nathaniel.
Thanks very much for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
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All right, this whole thing with ets and a you know,
(31:09):
ET's and demons, no they this seems to be well
hard to believe that this has been going on for
so long and we're just cluing in now.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
That's a good point, and to a degree of witness
researchers in the field articulating the same thing. The problem is,
my friend, that many of us have been so focused
on the phenomenon's current incarnation i e. The E T right,
that we've neglected the other case studies that preceded this
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new incarnation. Case in point in which error literature. For
those who are book readers like I am, probably like
you are, sir, You're very smart. So I'm just assuming
you know that that in which your literature, there's a
book called aerosy a guy named r. El Masters, and
(32:09):
he's talking this is so fascinating. He's not talking about
UFO abduction at allsoever, never mentions that in the three
hundred page book. But but he does talk about instances
where I'm just gonna call it the phenomenon or the intelligence.
The intelligence would abduct a witch out of her bed
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at night time, replace her with the familiar spirit. So
when the husband gets up to get a glass of
water or something, he thinks his wife is still with him,
but the intelligence would kidnap her, replace her with the
familiar spirit, fly her on what we're considered to be
and this is the this is the classical term for it. Okay,
(32:53):
demonic flights. And initially what what happened is they would
fly these witches is over to a sabbot on like
a hillside or on a mountaintop, and then it would encountered,
I'm just gonna say, encounter them. It would be a
bad grammar, but it would induce them into a physical encounter.
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How about that kind of skirt around that. But in
doing so, the witch thinks that she is encountering and
in dealing with either a demon or a corpse and
so the phenomenon is creating an entire theatrical production so
as to play the role of the belief system this
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witch is involved in. And in this book by Ril Masters,
he details a rather unique manifestation where there's a crack
in the mass because what started happening was the technology
the phenomenon was employing. It was fuzzing in and out.
And what was happening is that at once what was
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once rather ecubi or demons or corpses, These women are
looking around and they're not even on a hilltop anymore.
They have no idea where they are. Furthermore, these were
not corpses or demons. They were being poked and prodded
by metallic objects that were taking ova and insanity them
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with fetuses. So this is another example, just one example
of the phenomenon masking itself as demonic in order to
hide from us, in order to devail itself and its
true nature.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Why would why would these entities or these demons, why
would they need to kidnap or steal a fetus for what?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Well, this gets back into the self replication of species
and into incubi and suck you by literature. But the
most valid theory I have heard to date is that
these beings are placing their consciousness into these fetuses and
using them as biological avatars. That is the, like I said,
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the most valid and cohesive theory i've heard.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
All Right, So, why why would these demons use humans
instead of Well, apparently they're coming in. They're doing their
their own dirty work, so to speak. Why would they
have to incorporate their will, their desire, their spirit into
a fetus if they have the ability to just do
(35:40):
it on their own?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Very good question. There's something about the womb. I call
it the mortal portal, but there's something about the human
womb they that they are after this. See, if we're
going to look at the phenomenon as a whole, it's
difficult not to see the esoteric connection with it. I mean,
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if we go back into history, like I said in
the nineteen fifties, right, these beings were not manifesting to NASA,
They were not manifesting to physicists or astronauts. They were
manifesting and responding in seances. They were responding to what
are called earthen altars and esoteric rights. In moving even
(36:25):
forward with that thought, if these beings are in fact
responding to incantations from ancient Mesopotamia. Then we see a
nuanced version of esotericism involved. Now, if that's the case,
it opens the door for what's called fetus magic. Where
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this is kind of hard to believe too, but I
mean still it's relevant. But essentially what they were doing
in antiquity. This is from The Red Fez by Fritz
Kramer and The Golden Bow by James Fraser, both are anthropologists.
But we're talking about is the right of sorcery. Where
this gets back to why I believe some of these
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are sorcerers and magicians. Where if the magician is dying,
what he would do is he would go and inciminate
a woman with a fetus. Now we would consider that
to be an inch of us right, absolutely, but we
didn't realize what was occurring, and so he would inciminate
her with the fetus. He would dispossess his own body
in common dear that new fetus as a biological avatar.
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Matter of fact, there are some researchers that believe this
is exactly what happened to Alistair Crowley. Matter of fact, anyways,
I don't want to ramble.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Sometimes it's all right, it's almost like it's demonic reincarnation. Yes, yes,
But something I've noticed is that it seems that these
demons aren't very smart, or they don't they're not very
technologically advanced, because if they have to keep on stealing
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a fetus from a human, that means they do not
have the technology to replicate full, full fetuses using DNA.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Correct, Which is that strange? You think about what I mean,
even now in the twenty first century. You know, we've
created artificial wombs, and some say that we've created fetuses
in those artificial wombs for some reason, If these beings
are that far ahead of us, why are they still
wanting to create what I've considered to be an embryonic
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relationship with us?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Exactly that? You know, that's the same question you can
ask about cattle mutilation. Why keep on white? You know,
why keep on abducting all these cows? If you can
fly across the universe and go through wormholes and you're
so highly technologically advanced, one cow should suffice.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Absolutely, sir an Absolutely, great point. Yeah, and you have
to still they're still doing these, you know, catam emulations.
So there are things that make no sense whatsoever, and
it's sad because it Let me throw this at your
real quick brother, if I may. Let's think about an
intelligence that has possibly been here since the dawn of
recorded history. Let's think about an intelligence that has evolved
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alongside of us. It is present with but absent from now.
In the thousands of years at least, that's conservative, thousands
of years of our existence and written history, we have
documented virtually nothing in terms of relevant data. We do
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not know its origin, we do not know its intent,
we do not know its nature, we do not know
its real appearance. And so what kind of intelligence could
do that unless there's a measure of control it has
over us as a species.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know what, I think I know exactly what's going on.
They're hiding right in plain sight, because if you read
the Bible and other religious religious books, it talks about
the devil, it talks about the negative side, it talks
about the Nephilim. You know, these ancient texts are filled
with these examples. Is it possible that we're so naive
that we believe we know everything, that the answers are
(40:22):
right in front of us, and yet we refuse to
accept them because they're old.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yes, absolutely, And the great points are I'll take that
and I'll go a step further. Please, we have researcher,
We have researchers in the field that have spent thirty
five years studying only one incarnation. What they're doing to
their own demise is excluding case studies from an earlier
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mask get employed in antiquity. So what do I mean
by that, Well, let's look at this for a fitting moment.
We know for a fact that these beings have manifested
as angels. Yeah see doctor Collecturner's book Masquerade Eve Angels.
We know they've manifested as guides that case study I
mentioned previously. We know that they have manifested as ghosts
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and DC's loved ones. And like I said before, that
the phenomenon evolves according to our awareness of it. We
have fifty plus years, my friend of us having the
ability to test or quote test the spirits. If it
is dear At Edna, it's going to act like dear
At Edna. Its knowledge and belief system will match dear
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At Edna's historical record, right, And so there's a way
that we can vet them. And so the phenomenon realized that,
and so in an effort to evade, it evolved and
it introduced a new character into the program, one that
cannot be vetted, and that's the eating.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
All right, I can see where that has possibilities, but
how do we prove it? This is what we need
to do in order to get a lot more people
on board, especially the scientific community, working with the religious,
different organizations. All right, well, I'm gonna let you chew
(42:20):
on that until we come back from our final break.
Great talking to you, and Nathaniel Gillis is our guest
xall Nation on Instagram the Nathaniel Gillis and he also
has a YouTube channel. Just go to YouTube and type
in Nathaniel Gillis. We'll be back on the other side
as the Excellent continues with yours truly from our broadcast
center and studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, on your
(42:42):
hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streaming around the world
also on Classic twelve twenty dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
We'll be backed on the boy.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
I'll take my chances.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
Jesus the Devil went down to Georgia. He was looking
for a soul of steel. He was in a bine
(43:36):
because he was way behind it. He was willing to
make a deal when he came across this young man
sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot. And the
devil jumped up on a hickory dump said, boy, let
me tell you what. I guess you didn't know it,
but I'm a fiddle player too, and if you'd care
to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Now you've played pretty good, fiddle, boy, but give the
devil his due. I bet a fiddle of gold against
(43:57):
your souldiers. I think I'm better than you. The boy said,
my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but
I'll take your bet. You're going to regret because I'm
the business everyban Johnny.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Here's up your bowl and player fiddle.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Excellannation. We're talking about devils, We're talking about evil. We're
talking about, oh my gosh, the Darker side of the
paranormal with my guest this hour, Nathaniel Gillis. And he's
on Instagram, Nathaniel the Nathaniel Gillis. And before we get
back to Nathaniel, I just like to remind everyone that
the X Zone is now from ten pm until midnight,
(44:31):
which means after Nathaniel, we have another guest coming on, who,
by the way, is a former police detective who has
a team of investigators and is part of an organization
throughout Canada and the United States where only law enforcement
officers actually do investigations of the paranormal. So that is
coming up after the top of the hour. Nathaniel. First
(44:53):
of all, before we go on, I'd like to thank
you for joining us tonight, and can you tell us
about some of the research that's out there going into
the the darker side of demonology, in fact just demonology,
because as far as I'm concerned, it's all kind of
really dark, Yes.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
Sir, So, right now the field is being dominated by
Catholic demonology, which there's nothing wrong with that. However, the
phenomenon we're discussing tonight has eclipsed that microcausing you know,
there are certain rules that we were led to believe
they follow that they simply do not follow. And so
(45:29):
even evangelical researchers that I personally know that I'm friends with,
they're having to adjust their model because if they're saying
that these are nepheline, then it starts to get into
a religious philosophy. Why would they First of all, how
would they know when people will die? How can they simulate?
(45:50):
And these are just some things that they're capable of,
and I can back these up with the case studies.
How can they simulate near death experiences? How can they
appeel souls out of bodies? In all of this it
points to again an intelligence that is playing by different rules.
In much of these rules that we thought they were
(46:11):
playing by were merely the byproduct of the mask they employed.
And so, like I said, evangelical researchers, they're starting to
realize that listen, if these are in fact demonic in nature,
you were in for it like we were in for
a battle, because there is something completely different.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Is it possible that we're trying to overthink the entire scenario,
that we're using modern technology to try and solve ancient,
ancient mysteries.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yes, in to a large degree, what we're witnessing with
this intelligence is in fact ancient technology. I mean, think
a look at this for a second, my friend. If
you look at the necromantic ritual Potamia, and in Biblical antiquity,
one of them was called the Terrifyme and this gets
(47:06):
back into you know, building altars which they responded to
and performing these incantations. But in Biblical antiquity, in the Levant,
there was a necromantic ritual where the necromancer would go
and dig up either he would dig up a corpse
or he would go find a living person, and he
(47:27):
would carve the name of an unclean spirit into a
small piece of metal and implanted into the body of
an individual. In the consciousness of that entity would come
and dear of that person's body in wear it as
(47:48):
what's called us social skin. Now again, in modernity we
know that as the implant. But its root, its origin,
it is not found again, It's not found in just technology,
but it's rooted in the fertile soil of esotericism and sorcery.
(48:09):
Now can I go a little bit further with us?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Oh yes, please, Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Now, there is a There was a group. It probably
still exists under a different name. The nineteen fifties there
was a group called the Collins Elite, and I know
a lot of people in ufology frown on them for
certain reasons, which I can understand to a degree. But
the Colons Elite were a part of the Department of defense.
(48:34):
Many of them were physicists, but their goal was to
search out any and all interconnectivities between uphology and the occult.
And one of the experiments they ran it's phenomenal. But
what they did is they went to England and they
scooped up soil samples found in authentic crop circles. They
(48:56):
put them underneath the microscope and they documented a unique
energy signature and a cellular anomaly in that sample. They
then went into their laboratory, hired a practitioner of sorcery
or magic, and asked them to read incantations from this
(49:19):
grim wire that they had in an effort to physically
or spiritually harm someone. It's gonna blow your mind. They
blew my mind at least, and once the incantation was
successful and the phenomenon manifested, they then went around that
laboratory and collected samples. Some of them were soil, but anyways,
(49:45):
they compared these soil samples and other samples from the environment.
They compared the environment with the incantations to the soil
from the crop circle, and they discovered that they both
shared the idea cellular anomaly in the identical energy signature.
(50:06):
This led them to believe that not only were these
beings manifesting to earth and altars and to practitioners of magic,
but that there is a major portion of what they're
doing that consists of dark sorcery, which I will refer
(50:26):
back to the case study where they carved religious amulets
into the flesh. So it's all pointing in that direction.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Is there any connection with in your opinion, with the
the increased number of demonic sightings, demonic possessions, general sociological
interest in demons, and the hydron collider.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
To a degree, To a degree, it's disturbing because, okay,
even our federal government is trying to do what they're
trying to do over there. Essentially, the idea is, if
we can open up a portal, if we can build
an altar that's big enough, right, if we can say
an incantation that's successful enough, these beings will enlighten us
(51:16):
and give us certain what are called magical technologies. This
gets back into Jack Parsons an Allister Crowley. The problem is,
and this is what the Colins Elite discovery. The problem
is when we think we're under when we think that
we have them under our control, what we're realizing is
that we are being manipulated and that they have been
(51:39):
in control the entire time.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Let me ask you something here. A lot of people
who investigate the dark side of the paranormal claim that
holy water and religious heart effects have a protective value
when it comes to personal attacks or even exorcisms. If
(52:03):
these people, okay, people, God, I'm giving them more credit
than they deserve. If these creatures are so powerful, why
would holy water or a crucifix or even a prayer
affect them?
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Well, if you looked out, Okay, So this is very interesting. Now,
there was a Franciscan priest named Father sent astroidan Nino,
and he was dealing with incuby case studies where these
beings were carving ambulets underneath people's eyelids. But one day,
when he was on his way home from dinner, he
was on a dirt road and according to his testimony,
(52:46):
a demon manifested in front of him, and he used
his holy water, employed all of his annulets in nothing worked,
absolutely nothing, And so he was forced to categorize this entity.
And this is so funny to me personally, I think
it's hilarious. As a pagan demon religion defines what's demonic,
(53:11):
but it was a pagan demon And so what we're realizing,
I mean, you know, there are beings that seemingly and
this is a very conservative way of saying it, but
they seemingly follow those roles. And the problem is this
that you have an entire religious movement that bases the
(53:32):
validity of their doctrine on the success of their exorcisms. Meanwhile,
and this is a fact. Meanwhile, we have case studies
where during investigations, the priests will go into the haunted
house put a vial of holy water in a room
in while they're trying to collect EBPs. That entity is
(53:53):
siphoning the holy water right out of the vile. A sure,
playing by different rules.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
You know what, You've just put a whole new spin
on the you know, the immaculate conception.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
Yes, in terms of the incubay or.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
You know, the immaculate conception of Mary and the birth
of Christ.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Absolutely, my friend. Yeah, and it does seem to be
it doesn't seem to be afterlife phenomenon. Me. Even in
Egyptology they had what's called the image of the invisible,
and that is exactly I think what we're seeing in anyways.
But yeah, so that's what I believe is occurring is
(54:44):
I know we've got to wrap it up here in
a little bit, but these beings are playing by different
rules because they're playing a different game. And the problem
that we're having right now on the field is we're
ignorant of the game.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Well, I think I think part of the problem is
is that, like you were saying, they don't play by
our rules because they're playing with in my opinion, they're
playing with techniques and manifestations that are totally out of
our sphere of comprehension, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
Sir, and sadly enough. And people need to understand where
I'm coming from. I grew up in the evangelical movement.
My dad is a pastor. Wow, And I've lost a
lot of evangelical friends because I'm trying to get them
to realize that if these beings are in fact demons,
then we have to stretch our we have to grow
out of the dogma and grow into the data. And
(55:39):
you know, they're capabilities, it's beyond the modern conception of
the demonic.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
We've got about a minute that I'd like you to
share a message with the explanation and enlighten them within
that minute on what they can do in case they
believe they feel that they are part of a demonic
or a demon's wish, you know, to manifest and to
(56:09):
take over one well.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
First of all, for the sake of research, document anything
and everything you can. Second of all, there is one
common thematic element, both in history and in modernity. It
is the thing that they are the most afraid of,
at least according to the data, and that is iron
iron iron, either iron anulets. I recommend an iron cross
(56:36):
and I can give you case studies, but we don't
have time.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
We don't have time now, but we'll certainly have you
back in the future. Nathaniel, I want to thank you
so much for joining us, and just keep the great
work up and keep us abreast of what's happening. And
if there's any earth shattering demonic research that brings up
some information to light that would be of a great
asset to our audience. Got a hold of me, and
(57:00):
we'll get you on as soon as we can.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
Yes, sir, thank you again for having me on.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
It was wonderful, my great pleasure. To take care of yourself.
Be safe you see, bye bye now Nathaniel Gillis has
been our guest this hour exonation and if you'd like
to find him on Instagram, it's the Nathaniel Gillis and
on YouTube just type in Nathaniel Gillis. I'll be back
on the other side of this commercial break as we
continue for our number two here in the X Zone
(57:24):
from our broadcast center and studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada,
on Classic twelve twenty, and we're streaming around the world
on Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Don't go away. I'll
be back ooh in about two minutes.
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