Rob McConnell Interviews - PETER METZNER - Dreams, Synchronicity, Coincidences and Shadows

Peter is a facilitator, trainer, keynote speaker and coach who through presentations, workshops, seminars, coaching and consulting helps leaders, teams and organizations better engage and align staff to business drivers and the organization's mission. Peter helps leaders develop the self-awareness, self-mastery and interpersonal skills that enable sustainable high performance and high functioning teams. Through experiential learning and a practical down to earth style, clients learn to implement behaviors that lead to greater individual, team and organizational effectiveness. Peter's focus includes: preventing executive derailment, transformational leadership and creating high performing teams. His approach focuses on clients creating self reinforcing and sustainable positive movement leading towards personal and professional breakthroughs and sustainable organizational effectiveness. Peter is a certified Peoplemap™ Trainer. He is also Everything DISC and MBTI certified. He has served as Vice President of Client Relations and Program Development for The Leadership Trust. Before joining the Trust, he was employed by the Center for Creative Leadership, where he helped customize executive development and training programs for major businesses and corporations. Peter also taught Psychology at Vance Granville Community College. Currently Peter facilitates seminars on Leadership and High Performing Teams at UNC Chapel Hill, Duke University Medical Center and The International Coaching Federation. He has recently been the Keynote Speaker for the Georgia University System's Staff Council Conference.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 6 (01:33):
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Speaker 5 (01:36):
The X Zone, my friends, is a place where people
dared to believe and dare to be heard. And it's
also a place where fact is fiction. And we're here
Monday through Friday at eleven o'clock. And like I said,
right here on Classic twelve twenty, my guest this hour
is Peter Metzner, and we're going to be talking about dreams,

(01:58):
psychology and sant Chronis Days.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Joining me now is Peter Messinger. I'm Peter. Welcome to
the X Zone.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Ray welcome, thank you, and I appreciate being here. Rob
certainly a pleasure.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
It's my pleasure, sir. And first of all, Peter, tell
us a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Okay. So I've been fascinated by dreams for a long time,
and I studied psychology and graduate school, ended up teaching
it for thirteen years. And one of the pivotal moments
in my life was I was chasing almighty dollar, let's say,
and I was having nightmares, and it turns out nightmares
are trying to wake us up. And I took my

(02:36):
dreams to an analyst, and I saw that these dreams
were metaphor of my life, that the way I was
living was actually nightmarish, and it woke me up to
really making some changes and moving towards a livelihood that
I'm doing now, which is coaching, training, teaching, which is
more aligned with you could say, my heart, my soul, eving.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Peter, in your opinion, what is the purpose of dreams?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, I would say very simply, and this comes from
many folks like Jeremy Taylor, Carl Jung that dreams come
to tell us something we need to know but don't
know in our waking life, and they come in the
service of creating wholeness and healing and harmony from our
interior world to our exterior world. So they're amazingly valuable.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Does everyone dream?

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Everyone dreams, even squirrels dream. Dogs dream when you see
them twitching. Some people who don't realize there dreaming, they
just may not remember them. But we all dream, you know, people, animals.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
And what is the psych physiology of a dream.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Well, when we sleep, if you put your hand on
your forehead, that's our front lobe, our executive function, thinking, planning, etc.
And when you put your hand on the right part
of your brain, that's the creative part, the intuitive part,
the meaning part. So when we sleep, that part of
our brain, the policeman is going to sleep. And then

(04:04):
the right part of our brain that has to do
with intuition, meaning purpose, creativity, nonlinear, putting together the pieces
of our life that becomes activated. And that's why in dreams,
inventions have been made, songs have been written like let
it Be from Paul McCartney that came from a dream,

(04:24):
and the creative and sometimes even when you think about
the mystical or the paranormal, all of these are in
that domain that the unconscious is speaking to us, and
that conscious part of us, the critical self, the part
of us that was told, oh, it's only a dream,
don't pay attention to it, that that part of ourselves

(04:45):
is asleep, and thus we get these images of things
that are exceedingly valuable to be aware of.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
How do we actually remember our dreams?

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Okay, well, the key is I would say dreams are
like friends. First, they need to be welcomed. How many
times have we as parents, our parents told us I'll
go back to sleep, it's only a dreamy, So we've
learned to dismiss them, and we spend roughly a quarter
of our life asleep. We should anyway, eight hours of

(05:19):
a night, or even a third of our lives, and
so you know, we need to really be open and
explore this world. So I think the first thing is
to be open to them. And I've had many people
in my classes over the years say I don't remember
my dreams, and I say, well, I bet you will
remember your dream and then all of a sudden, for
the first time, they remember their dreams. Just by being
open to them. Hmm.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
When we have a dream, we wake up, the dream
doesn't last with us very long.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, And what happens in our brain, it's first in
our sensory memory. So there's a saying that the alarm
clock is the enemy of the dream. So when we
wake up and move our arms, that could be enough
like a fog, it very quickly dissipates. So some of
the keys to remember is to realize that the dream
is going from sensory memory, and to really avoid quick

(06:12):
movements in the morning and ideally have a notebook or
pad by the table. What I do is put all
my dreams in a word file, but that means I
need to get out of bed, and sometimes they don't
have that discipline. But a lot of my dreams are
very powerful and emotional, and the idea is to write
the date down, write the name of the dream, and

(06:32):
then eventually you'll see themes. And what I find is
that every dream that I have, and this is supported
by the literature, is that every dream is going to
tell us something we need to know but don't know
in our waking life what's going on. So they give
us a continuous dynamic kind of backdrop and insight into

(06:53):
things that are going on that we really ought to
be aware of.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
So how do we understand the meaning of the dreams
that we have?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Peter Okay, I would look at it is the dreams
of the language of the artists. So if I work
with somebody with dreams, it would be pretentious for me
to analyze the dream. And a lot of my work
as a coach is to bring dreams into the domain
of coaching. And we can work with dreams very easily
and not trying to analyze them, not trying to say

(07:21):
this is what your dream is, saying what you should do,
but just by simply paying attention to our dream or
someone shares a dream, and then to be able to say,
what's the feeling that I got? And then a question,
how could this dream be a metaphor of what's going
on in my life? I'll give you one example. I
was working with one woman and she was unhappily married,

(07:42):
and so she had a husband that was, yeah, cheating
on her and just abusing her and just really treating
her badly. And so one night she had a dream
and she's a bare skin rub you know, so she's
on Olivia room forward just splayed out like a bearskin rug,

(08:03):
and her head is where the bearhead would be. And
then in the dream in comes her husband walks all
over her and then goes to the refrigerator. And so
when she shared that dream with me, he said, oh
my gosh, if that were my dream, I'd feel like
I'm being walked over. So if we say something like
if this were my dream, this is what comes up
for me. We're being genuine, we're being authentic, we're allowing

(08:26):
our intuition to speak, and the dreamer is truly the
expert on the dream. So when we have a dream,
we're the expert. And I think it's just asking questions,
how might this be a metaphor what's going on in
my life? Why did this dream happen at this time?
And I still take my dreams to an analyst. If
I'm working with dreams, I still want to make sure

(08:48):
that i'm working. And the questions I often get are
what was going on in your life? And it's just amazing,
Oh my gosh, the clarity that I'm getting is just amazing.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Exce oor Nation. I guess this hour is Peter Metzner,
and you can find out more about Peter at his
website at Dynamic Change Inc. Dot com. Olwen, we'd Dynamic
Change Inc. Dot com and I'm Rob McConnell. This is
the X Zone and we're coming to you from our
studios and Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, right here on your

(09:21):
hometown radio, Classic twelve twenty streamed around the world on
Classic twelve twenty dot ca. Peter, how can we enrich
our dreams or or get more information out of our
dreams than we presently may be able to do, because
up until this point we just thought dreams were dreams.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, and they're not random. When I did a stint
at the Center for Crave Leadership years ago, there was
they had a really neat program called Leading Creatively, and
we used a technique where people would be told think
about a business problem, think about a problem in your
life that you saw, and then seege your dream. So

(10:02):
before going to bed, to ask a question, so what
do I need to know? That I need to know
what am I not getting? And there are some people
who'd applied this business problems and they came up with
some really brilliant ideas. Now our mind is going to
work twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,
and when we're asleep, our brain is still very, very active,

(10:22):
and it's processing emotions, processing the day, trying to give
us insight. And we can also use it in science
and the arts and literature. A couple of examples. The
theory of relativity came from Einstein. When he was seventeen,
he had a dream that he was on a sled
going down a hill and it went faster and faster
and faster and faster till it hit the speed of light.

(10:44):
And then later in his life he said his entire
scientific career was an extended meditation on that dream. And
we know about the theory of relativity, so many of
us do, but very few of us. How many of
us have heard that it was actually the foundation of
it came from a dream when he was a teenager.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, I've never heard that before.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Yeah. Why are some dreams in color and other dreams
in black and white? Is there any significance to this?

Speaker 4 (11:14):
It could be if, again, depending on the person, the situation,
life situation, there's a number of ways. If we look
at it as a metaphor black and white, is this
you know what's black and white. Sometimes you think about
the dichotomists thinking good or bad, right or wrong, good
or evil. And then if there's a dream of black

(11:34):
and white, that's one kind of question I would have.
Some people do dream in black and white, in color,
some would be either or so I think it just
would depend on the person. Nevertheless, I would still really
inquire about, well, what is the dream, what's the message
of the dream? And it could be the color or

(11:55):
lack of color, could be some kind of message that's
trying to alert us to an awareness or a new consciousness.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
All right, I can understand, you know, children who have
daily routines they go, oh, they go play, and they
go to school and so on, and then the adults.
I can understand that. But what about infants. Now, I
you know, I've heard that infants dream, and what would
they dream about?

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, that's a good question, and it's really hard because
up until the age of six, everything's a download, you know,
as they're observing. So this came from Bruce Lipton, one
of the most famous epigeneticists, that when kids are up
until the age of six, they're processing and everything's a download,
and it's really hard to say, what do they dream?

(12:45):
Because they can't tell us. They're in an infant or
in a nonverbal state, So what are they dreaming? You know? Yet,
throughout history, you know, when babies are born, they seem
almost angelic, they almost seem, oh my gosh, there's just
something mystical and magical about them. And yet because they
can't talk, it's very hard to discern what is going
on in their brain. And yet psychologists and scientists are

(13:08):
realizing that they are so much more intelligent and there's
so much more going on than we could that we've
ever realized.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Peter, we've got to take our break, coming up within
the minute. But I read a report out of I
believe it was England, where they have scientific proof that
even a baby inside the mother's womb actually dreams.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, isn't that fascinating? That surprised if well, you know,
through the umbilical cord, a baby can feel a mother's stress,
the mother's emotions. And again, if you look at dreams
as a way of processing emotions, is any wonder that
the baby is picking up everything that's going on in
the outer world their mother, their emotions, as well as

(13:52):
the nutrients, stress, and cortisols even passed, so to me,
is there any surprise that they'll also be able to
pick up not all of the emotions.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
But Peter Bond, all right, stand by, We've got to
take our break. Exponation. Peter Messner is our special guest,
and this is the X Zone on your hometown radio
Classic twelve twenty and being streamed around the world on
Classic twelve twenty dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
We'll be back after this break.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
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Wishing Rob McConnell and all listeners and viewers of the
worldwide Excelation a very merry Christmas and a healthy, happy
and safe New Year.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Oh every morning, just to keep a job, I gotta
find my way to the hustle, sounds of the.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
City founding in my brain while another day goes down
the dream.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Thank you, but it's a five o'clock the world when
the whistles.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Welcome back everyone. The X Chronicles newspaper is now up
running and available at www dot x chronicles dot net,
and of course it is totally one with our compliments
and the compliments of our advertisers, and that's at www.
Dot x chronicles dot net. Peter Metzer is our special guest,

(15:48):
and we're talking about dreams of this hour. Well, this
is what a part we're going to be talking about.
We're going to be speaking about many other things, but Peter,
when it comes to dreams, a lot of people seem
to have nightmares, a lot of people seem to have
the dream where they're standing up naked in front of people,
others where they're running being chased and they don't know

(16:09):
why they're being chased. What is the significance of all
these different dreams and when is it decided that this
is what we're going to dream about.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Oh boy, that's a question. Well, here's what I think
is great about dreams. And Carl Jung said this that
we can't fool our dreams. There's a quote I like
a lot that man's capacity for self deception is truly monumental,
and yet our dreams are going to tell us like
it is. And this may be a hard thing to
kind of grasp, but there's an intelligence going on and

(16:42):
are unconscious that's coming out to tell us if we're
on a right track or wrong track in our lives,
and that's where they are so valuable for healing and
wholeness and gaining clarity on the direction of our life.
And if you, let's say, entertain the ideas that our
nightmares are trying to wake us up, that if we're,

(17:03):
from an ego standpoint, going down the wrong track in
our life, then the nightmare may come up as a
correction to say, look, you need to pay attention to this,
and if you don't pay attention, I will keep on coming.
These are the recurring nightmares. And it's been shown, and
I've seen this with people i've worked with, that once
we understand the message of the nightmare, will never have

(17:24):
it again. I'll give you one quick dream of a
student many years ago. I was teaching an intro to
psychology class. Tuesday morning started at nine thirty, I believe,
and there is a young lady who would be asleep.
She'd come in and put her head on a desk
at nine thirty and sleep. And when we got to
talking about dreams, all of a sudden, she kind of

(17:45):
her head popped up and she revealed this nightmare that
she'd been having a recurring nightmare that she's in a
car in a backseat. Her boyfriend is driving radically going
down a road. There's no guardrails, and there's this steep
and she's in a back seat no seat belt, with
beer cans and liquor bottles and cases of beer all

(18:08):
around her. And then she teared up and she asked me,
am I going to die? And again, if you think
about dreams coming to promote healing and wholeness, all I said, Well,
if it were my dream, you know, I'd want you
for my dream. I think the dream is trying to
give me a message that if I keep going down
this road, something bad might happen. And that was enough

(18:29):
for her to get therapy, and she did get rehabit therapy.
She managed to get her boyfriend into therapy, and eventually
she got into one of the health programs at the college.
And all of that from just that one nightmare. And
I've seen similar things like that over and over again
over the years I've been chronicling students' dreams.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
How would you describe a waking dream or what is
known as daydreaming?

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Daydreaming, again, a lot of that is our unconscious, So
daydream can be you know, very helpful. Einstein was a
day dreamer. If you look at you know, people who
were very significant in history, they were day dreamers. You know,
they'd look out the window during class and the teachers
that go get very irritated. But daydreaming is, you know,
we're in a kind of very passive state. We're looking

(19:17):
out the window, and our fantasies are often coming from
our unconscious as well as well. So the unconscious is
trying to communicate to us, sometimes through day dreams, sometimes
through dreams, sometimes through bodily symptoms as well.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
All right, Now, there are different types of dreams. We
have normal dreams that are most dreams. They fall into
that category. Lucid dreams, which are my favorite types of dreams.
We have nightmares, we have recurring dreams, we have prophetic dreams,
we have healing dreams and epic dreams. Now why I
love lucid dreams so much is but I can actually

(19:55):
dream a dream within a dream, within a dream within
a dream, and I know that I'm dreaming when I
try to read something, whether it's a menu, a newspaper,
a street sign, a store sign, if it doesn't make
sense to me, when I'm trying to read it. I
know I'm dreaming, and that's when the fun begins.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. So I think that's a
real gift. Some people are more natural lucid dreamers than others.
For me, I'm interested in it, but I can't say
that I'm a lucid dreamer. Every once in a while
I may realize I'm dreaming, And sometimes a dream is
so vivid that I don't realize that it's a dream.
I think I really am there. But for some people

(20:36):
it's natural, and there's a lot of things to explore.
I'll tell you one lucid dream that someone shared. One
of my first talks i'd given to a society of
training professionals, and there were about one hundred people in
the room, and a woman stood up to share a dream.
And she said, I haven't told anybody this, and yet
here she is telling one hundred strangers. But she said,

(20:58):
I need to share this. And she had a dream.
She's in the North Carolina and in the East Coast,
and her dad's living in the West Coast, and she
had a dream where she and her dad were in
the living room of the house they grew up and
they're sitting at the table having a chat and a coffee.
He had the same exact dream, and then they both
recounted elements of the dream that they both shared, but

(21:20):
they hadn't yet communicated, And so who am I to
say that they didn't connect. And lucid dreaming, there's that
element the dreamers, the expert and some of the places
that you may be going during lucid dreaming and learning.
It's a whole other universe that can be explored. And
people who do lucid dream you know, they report some
really remarkable experiences.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Another type of dream that is getting more and more
popularity these days is the prophetic dream. Now, if the
future is not certain, all right, according to according to
our good friends in quantum physics, the future is not certain,

(22:04):
how can a prophetic dream happen?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Then?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, that's very interesting if we get into quantum physics,
where you know, once we focus on a possibility, it
becomes fixed. So a wave becomes a particle once it's noticed.
So with dreams, you know, I guess in history, Lincoln
dreamed his assassination the day before it happened, and he

(22:30):
recounted that he saw a coffin and people mourning and crying,
and in the dream he asked, well, why is everybody crying?
And somebody said the president's been killed. And then he
woke up and he shared that with his wife and
she insisted he stay home, but nevertheless they went to
the theater where he was shot. So I asked, he's

(22:53):
now passed, but a student of young Robert Johnson, who's
written numerous books on dreams, and I asked him how
could dreams be? And his answer is very simple, that
dreams don't follow the same rules that we follow. The
unconscious has its own set of rules, and that's why
there can be these prophetic dreams. And many of us
have had them. And sometimes the trick is how do

(23:15):
I discern whether or not this is a prophetic dream, right?
Or dream that's not? And the answer is sometimes in
a particular. So if let's say you have a dream
you're in an airplane and it crashes, well that's a metaphor.
Am I flying too high? Am I crashing and burning?
Am I too inflated? But let's say if you're about
to go on a flight somewhere and you have a
dream and you see the numbers on the plane like

(23:38):
whatever X three two one or whatever, and then you
look at your ticket and there's that same number.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I would pay attention to that, So would I believe me?
How do we foster healing and wholeness through our dreams?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I think the dreams are going to foster healing and
wholeness no matter what. So I don't know if it's
so much that we but we're receptive to them, that
we're welcoming to them. And if dreams are trying to
promote healing and wholeness, they're going to kind of alert
us if we're off track and on track. And I'll
give you one example. I was working with a very
busy executive. He was a financial person, and I was

(24:14):
quite surprised that he was very open at dreams. And
he would send me a word file of his dreams,
you know, between our sessions. And he had a recurring
dream that he's in a sports car and he's going
too fast, he's bumping into people, he's hitting to guardrails,
flipping over, but the accidents were never really too bad.
And I asked him as a metaphor, so, my gosh,

(24:34):
if this or me, I'd wonder if I'm driving myself
too hard, or if I'm really just you know, not
paying attention and being you know, really too driven, and
he didn't want to entertain that. At that time, he's
going for a PhD. He had a high level job
at a university. But then a couple of weeks later
he was in the hospital in the emergency room with
chest pains, and then that's where he took it seriously.

(24:55):
And then after that he never had the dream again.
When he started to realize he had to kind of
let go of the brottle, so to speak, and slow down.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Peter, what started you on your question into a better
understanding of dreams?

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Well, it was a nightmare. It was really for me
a nightmare. I've always been open to dreams. Again, coming
from a background in psychology, I always had an attunement
to human humanistic psychology and came across the writings of
young and people who were in what's called transpersonal psychology,

(25:27):
where they looked at the whole person and to say
that we're not just our ego, this made up identity,
but we have a psyche or a soul, and that
dreams are trying to communicate in many ways to harmonize
who we really are to this made up identity which
you may or may not be serving us so well.
So from an academic standpoint, I was interested at an

(25:49):
early age, but it wasn't until I had my midlife crisis.
And for me, the midlife crisis was I climbed the
ladder and I put it against the wrong wall. What
do you do? Well, there's a dream that shows me
trapped in the desert behind a brick wall, and there's
a middle aged guy guarding the entrance to a very
lush kind of field that was full of you know,

(26:10):
trees and grass and just beautiful. But I was trapped.
And then I asked a question, or I took that
to an analyst, So who was that middle aged guy
that was keeping me from going into a very rich
life or area, And it had to be me. Usually
every part of the dream is a part of ourselves
or metaphor of where we are. And I didn't realize
that the prison I was in was partly my beliefs

(26:33):
and the sense that I had to stay in a
job that was making good money but really wasn't where
my heart or my spirit really was. And so the dream,
that nightmare alerted me. And that's when I realized how
vitally important they are. And as I became certified as
a coach, realized that, you know, dreams also need to
be in the domain of coaching, not just therapy.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Interesting, Now, before we get to our next break, which
is coming up or very fast, a quick question during
your research into dreams, is there anyone culture or anyone
race that dreams more than the other?

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Oh, that's interesting, I would say indenous indigenous society. Excuse me.
Indigenous societies often were very attuned to dreams, and so
if someone had, let's say, in one society in Indonesia,
a primitive society, somebody had a dream of a fight
with the neighbor as a result of that dream, they'd
bring them an offering to kind of, you know, somehow

(27:35):
bring an offering. So dreams have been used throughout history,
and I think what's happened in our Western world where
we become very intellectual, we value IQ and we really
look at the scientific method. You know, a word like
the soul, you know sometimes it makes people very antsy. Well,
how do you measure the soul or spirit or some

(27:57):
of the things that let's say we delve into or
that that you focus on some of the things in
the pair normal or you know, the pair normal you
could say is new normal. But these things that we
can't readily explain, we dismiss, and sometimes because we don't
have the tools yet to measure it, we become afraid
of it. So I suspect that as we get into
this very rational kind of materialistic society, and if we

(28:21):
don't yet have the tools and wherewithal to really put.

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And welcome back everyone. This is the excellent I am
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His website is Dynamic changeink dot com. And Peter, thanks
very much for coming on the show. Great talking to.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
You listen on Honor. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Peter, I understand that you had a dream where you
actually were able to communicate with your dad who had passed.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Mm hm, yes, you know that's that's another one. My
dad had a sudden heart attack at age fifty six.
He was visiting my sister, who at the time was
living in Frankfurt, and he had a massive heart attack
in his sleep, and we had a lot of unfinished business.
He was a bit of an authoritarian. I was a
bit of a rebel immature, and we never got to
that place where you know, we had that could have

(31:22):
had that reconciliation. And the older I get, I get,
the more I admire, you know, his life and what
he overcame. So I was still in that early age.
I was eighteen at the time, and A remember sleeping
on the sofa and I saw an orb of light
in a dream, and I was an orbit of light,
and I got a sense that was my father. I

(31:43):
felt his presence and these two orbs that we came together,
and it was just a lovely sense of acceptance, of
love and understanding that I couldn't put into words. And
when I woke up, I had a distinct, you know,
sense that we that he had reached out or we connected,
and it really gave me a lot of peace of

(32:05):
mind that one that he's okay and two that you know,
I was accepted and we had a pretty rocky relationship.
But it was really a part of my maturing and
healing that came from that dream, and so it's something
that I still very treasure, very deeply.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
A lot of people when they have their dreams, they
they usually have these little dream interpretation books that they
love to. You know, Okay, there's water in my dream.
There were fishing my dream. Okay, what does all this mean?
How accurate can these books be when everybody who has
a dream, the dream its contents are specifically a message

(32:46):
for them.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yes, that's a really good question, and I think that
can be helpful if we use them in the spirit
of how does this play out with all the other
symbols and all the other things in the dream. So,
for instance, if somebody dreams of a gun, for someone
who's a gun enthusiast, that could be very empowering, a
symbol of their values and their freedom and their ability

(33:09):
to protect themselves. But somebody who, let's say a dozen
favor guns, a gun in the dream could mean something
very different and very threatening. So I think we have
to be careful and look at the context and see,
you know, if we look at all of the details,
what is the metaphor how's it emerging? And sometimes we
could look at one of these interpretation books and see

(33:31):
water could mean something about the unconscious, the deep sea,
you know, this sea, that we're just a drop in
this big sea, and that could be very helpful. Usually,
animals in the dream could represent our own instincts. And
let's say if I had a dream of a lion
that was in a cage and trapped and manging hungry.
You know, I could think, Okay, if that's my instincts,

(33:52):
there's something wrong with that? How am I trapped? And
what am I not doing to let my instincts have
free roam so to speak? So they can be helpful,
But I think we need to look at the whole picture,
everything together, and I think, what is the emotional sense
that I get like an artist, you know, the dreams
of the language of an artist. What's the overall message?

(34:13):
And yes, they can be helpful, but I would caution
against being too literal.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Peter, is there any connection between dreams and synchronicities?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh? I think that's another great question. So synchronicity, you know,
Carl Young coined the term that synchronicities are these like
a causal coincidences that how that go beyond statistical analysis.
And what he felt is that when we're on the
right track in our life in other words, you know,
our soul, our values, our passion or interest in all

(34:44):
our line, that somehow these synchronicities occur we meet the
right person at the right time. We hear a song,
all of a sudden, we read something the newspaper. That's
just what we need to get. And the synchronicities to
Young is that you know, yes, there is something outside
of us, unseen forces that impact us, and that when

(35:04):
we are truly kind of open and aligned and moving
in a way that's really right for us, you know,
these synchronicities occur. I'll give you one example. Robert Johnson again,
who passed a student of Carl Young. He'd written so
many books, was considered a leading analyst, and he said
in his life he just worked on raising his consciousness

(35:26):
to recognize the synchronicities when they came, and that led
him to all the work that he did as far
as publishing, the education, even meeting car Young and moving forward.
But he just tried to pay attention and be open
and recognize them where they are. And many times they
are happening, we just don't recognize them.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
So can we say that a synchronicity is being at
the right place at the right time.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
It could very well be placed in the right time,
and it is aligning somehow with our values, our heart
or maybe that So again, We often aren't aware of
the unseen forces that impact us, but maybe there is.
There are some unseen forces that are saying, Okay, here's
a clue. Here's a clue, you're on the right track.

(36:12):
And so many times when I started my business, I
was just ready to throw it in. I realized sometimes
it's one thing to have the skill of a coach
or facilitator, teacher, whatnot, but it's a different skill set
building a business. And there's so many times I was
ready to just okay, give it up, and then I
would get a phone call, or I'd get it out

(36:32):
of the blue, somebody who gave me a word of encouragement,
or or something would come up. Every time I was
at that point of giving up, something would come up
and to me that was, okay, is this a message
or synchronicity? But it gave me the encouragement to keep
on going in the direction I was.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
People have given me this example of a synchronicity, and
I can't figure it out for the life of me.
They say that they have been at all odds with
someone else and then they and then this person out
of the blue calls them. Then they get into their car,
they turn on al radio, their car radio, and there's

(37:11):
a song that used to be their song. Now being
in radio all these years, I know what goes into
programming a song, into into the programming of the daily
broadcast for the for the station. The odds of this happening,

(37:35):
in my opinion, are too great to even consider. Yes,
so how do we how do we how do we
justify this or how do we try and put common
sense to something that seems not to be common at all?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
And I guess that's why the word synchronicity fits it
so well. It's an a causal event that we can't
explain mathematically irrationally. But then yet you brought up somebody
that we had an argument with, or somebody that was
on our mind. We get a phone call, and you
know from I remember hearing a number of analysts say

(38:10):
that on a soul level, we're all connected. You know,
this illusion of separateness. Einstein even said that that this
illusion that we're separate is really an illusion that if
you go to an energy or particle type of approach,
that we're all connected. We're all energy, and on a
soul level, we're all connected, and that people that were
especially close to emotionally close to, and even anger would

(38:32):
be a close emotion. You know, we're still connected that
all of a sudden we're on that wavelength. We know,
And there have been so many accounts of mothers who
lost the son at war, overseas, World War two, the
Korean War, at Vietnam War. They just knew when their
son or a loved one had died. They just knew
the moment had happened. That people that we love were

(38:52):
very connected to and we often dream about them, and
sometimes it happens to so many of us. We think
about someone and all of a sudd out of blue,
we get a call or an email or that song
comes up, and it's you know, how do you explain
something that's a causal except to say there's just something
more going on than we may be realizing, to be
open to the mystery rather than being the note.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
In your opinion, Peter, After COVID, was there a significant
change in dream patterns and the reporting of dreams.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
You know, I read a few articles and there are
a number of people who were documenting the dreams during COVID,
and during that time, in addition to the pandemic, there
was an epidemic of depression, anxiety, fear, as well as
social isolation. And I do think that a lot of
the dreams were reflecting that, and there are a number
of people who have documented that. I, as interested as

(39:49):
I am, was focusing on my work, you know, with webinars,
you know, developing resilience and you know, how do we
you know, build community and have healthy relationships. But I
do believe that the dreams have been heavily influenced by
each of our individual emotional states. And I think we're
all affected profoundly by the collective that's going on. And

(40:11):
so I think if we did a search on that,
there'd be some pretty interesting articles. But yes, I think
that's an area that we could delve into more. You know,
whatever our dreams telling us about our current times and
what's the message that we're getting collectively that we need
to know so that we can, you know, be more
considered and conscious and the decisions we make.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
In your opinion, do we retain all the dreams that
we've had in our data bank of the mind.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
That's interesting? Well, I think our unconscious hypnotists have found
that memories are always there. The unconscious is recording everything
and our right brain and the unconscious. It's not linear.
And then sometimes when we really are focused on something,
the unconscious will give us what we need to know.
In the case of the machine, let's say, for instance,

(41:02):
Elias Howe was stuck on how to make the sewing
machine work, and then he had a dream he was
captured by natives in Africa, I believe, and put in
a boiling kettle of water, and he was tied up
with ropes and as he was about to be stabbed
by spears, he woke up in a fright, the fight
or flight, and then he asked himself, why did those

(41:23):
spears have holes in it? And that's the missing piece
that he needed for the dream. So is that his
unconscious or is it the collective unconscious trying to come
in and give him what he needed to know to
finally finish that sewing machine.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
And like you said, so many people will go to
bed with a problem and wake up with a solution.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Yes, yeah, for the old.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Saying, I'll sleep on it.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
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with our guests this our Peter Metzer, visit his website
at Dynamic Change Inc. Dot com. Peter, is there a
difference between a synchronicity and a coincidence?

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah? Yeah, I think that would be That's a really
good question. A coincidence we might explain as well as
just one of these things that happened. I think it's
a snick to me. Synchronicity is something more profound that
I'm really focusing on building my business or meeting the
right person, or and all of a sudden something comes up.

(45:28):
Like there was a psychologist who I got to know,
and one of the synchronicities that he had he met
someone who was out of state, and he was should
I have a long distant relationship and he saw a
license plate with her initials, and then as he's traveling,
he saw more and more signs that of something that
was alerting him to something that reminded him of her

(45:49):
or they had in common, and then to him, those
synchronosities alerted him. You know what, I think she is
the one and and they've been happily married for many
many years, and they were very nicely together and many
of the programs that they do, so I would say
that's a synchronicity. A coincidence may not be that meaningful,
and maybe it is a synchronicity, but I think it's

(46:12):
a coincidence that may just happen and we don't put
meaning to it. But uh, that's interesting. I think a
synchronicity is usually tied to something we really want or
and that's guiding us to making some movement, either in
evolving or starting a new endeavor, or maybe finding that
new romantic or romantic partner, the one that's really meant

(46:34):
that we're meant to be with.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Can a coincidence and the synchronicity occur at the same time.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I think is very possible. Yeah, yeah, I think it's
very possible. Peter.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
And the information that you were kind enough to send
us for tonight's interview, you mentioned you had a near
death experience, and I was wondering if you could share
that with us.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Okay, certainly. So this was when I was thirty and
I was an a dentist chair, and I'll try to
make it brief, but I was given nitrous oxide, and
at that time a friend of mine is an anesthesiologist,
and he explained why I would have had the rest
that I did, so in essence, I was having nitrous oxide,

(47:17):
and I remember hearing the dentists say, okay, let's put
them on oxygen, and I didn't respond, and then I
could see the panic in the room and above me
in my mind, I saw ten lights and I saw
light number ten go out, nine go out, eight go out,
and I got a sense that, Okay, when all these
lights go out, I'll be gone. Seven, six, five went out,

(47:40):
and I got this sense of being connected, this sense,
oh my gosh, this overwhelming feeling of being connected, of
understanding that I couldn't put into words. Five went out,
four went out, Three went out, and it was just
this incredible sense of love of the long and a
feeling connection, and I was ready to go. I didn't
want to come out. Three went out, Two went out,
and I could hear the pandemonium, but I didn't have

(48:02):
any control even over my blink reflex, gag reflex, and
I was waiting for that wist light to go out.
Just before it went out, as they're putting the defibrillators
on to me, I just flew out of that chair
and I saw everything. Torssed over, emsving called, and the
panic that they thought that they lost me. And I

(48:24):
was back, and you know, I insisted on going home.
They insisted on taking me to the hospital, but I
don't know how I prevailed. But then that was a
near death experience, and I became very interested in the thousands,
if not millions of people who go through it. And
there's a thing that many of them have in common.
They no longer fear death, They get into altruistic occupations,

(48:47):
they become more intuitive or even psychic you could say,
or more tuned to it. And I seemed to fit
what the research with many of the models said, these
are the things that happened to. People have those experience
and I'm not alone. The thousands and thousands of thousands
many soldiers have had them, and I think that's an

(49:08):
important topic, that it is an event, and unfortunately, for
many years the army treated it as a psychosist and
try to medicate these soldiers who had a near death
experience and no longer could kill people and their wives
in the army that they just didn't fit in. But
that goes with the profile that after having that, you
have a completely different frame of mind. And in many

(49:31):
of them, I've even seen construction people who are really
gruff and rough, you know, quit their construction job to
work for Habitat true humanity, And if I asked them why,
they said, well, I had this massive heart attack and
almost died. Just seemed like to be the right thing
to do, but they didn't reflect that, but they still
made those changes.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
If people don't fear death after having a near death experience,
in your opinion, after having one, what happens.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
After death, that's a good experience. It's a really good
question for me, you know, I think that in so
many of the wisdom traditions. So I became very interested
what are the different wisdom traditions teach us? And the Tibetans,
you know, they made the most sense to me, and
they said that if you believe in Jesus, you know
when you die, have Jesus in mind. And they mapped

(50:19):
out the stages that we go to in all the temptations,
and they said, if you believe in Buddha, then fixate
on Buddha. If you believe in Mohammad, fixate on Mohammed.
And that gave me a lot of comfort. So I
can't really say for what it's going to be for
everybody because we all have different lives and some people
have had near death experience. It wasn't all roses, you know.

(50:41):
There were some really interesting and sometimes scary things that happened.
So it may be different for all of us. But
I think the sense is is that you know, we're
here for a short time, a very short time. Eighty
years is just nothing if you think about it, and
yet we have an energy and a sense of eye
that lives on. And I think is very important to
really live knowing that we'll die, so that we live

(51:03):
and learn and grow, so that we don't have to
rely in a ghost telling us what we missed in life.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
A good friend of mine in Montreal told me this,
saying that it's his trademark. You're here for a good time,
not for a long time. Yeah, that's number one. And
then I have my own little saying that death is inevitable.
The moment we are conceived is the moment we start
to die.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Mm hmmmm. Well, if you think about birth could be
seen as a death and death as a birth. And
what's very interesting, many people who have these near death
experiences they were poured a tunnel. I didn't have that,
but many people repoured going through a tunnel. And when
somebody's born in a sense, that birth canal is like
a tunnel. So the birth could be a death and
that death could be a birth. You know, both of

(51:51):
them have a tunnel, and that there's a consciousness that
so many people, millions, you know, throughout history have gone through,
and I think that's really important. So you know, when
you have an experience like that, no longer do you
have a faith. You kind of have an experience and
a knowing which is profound.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
You're doing research or studying shadows, and I was reading
a bit on that and it's fascinating work. Can you
share that with our audience?

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Yeah, that's it's a big topic and in essence, a
shadow if you look at individually, we all have our shadows,
and the shadows typically associated with those repressed, scary parts
of ourselves that we're ashamed of, and so we repress them.
We repress them into our unconscious and the danger of

(52:38):
not doing shadow work and not bringing a light to
them is that they exert a tremendous power over our life,
and they can sabotage well we want most So, for instance,
if we only associate with good, but we don't recognize
like these dishonest, unsavory parts of ourselves, they leak out
and we can do evil in the name of good.

(52:58):
And I think the problem of evil is is that
people don't recognize when they are and that could be
the shadow coming out that controls us, and it could
be individual as well as collective. And so when we
do our shadow works, so to speak, we recognize we
try to bring light to it, but we have to
heal and own and love those parts of ourselves that

(53:18):
we feel are unlovable, and that's when we become whole
or integrated. And I've heard others like Robert Johnson say
that's how we become holy. We integrate all these parts
of ourselves, and when we no longer oppress them, we
no longer project them out, either individually or collectively.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
A lot of people who investigate the paranormal these days
are reporting multiple sightings of shadow people, and I'm just
wondering if what they're actually seeing are the reflections of themselves.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Yeah, that's a good question, and that's something I'd be
curious about. You know, I've read and heard accounts of
these shadow people, and I'm not sure that I can
say that they aren't there or people aren't saying them,
or if we're seeing them in a dream, if they
represent shadows. That it's a really good question. Are there
shadow people out there? Well? In our band, we have

(54:15):
a very limited band of vision, and we have a
very limited band of hearing. And beyond that, there are
things out there that sometimes very sophisticated electronics can pick
up that we don't. And so I'm not one to
say if they are shadows or shadow people, but I
do know that when I start to recognize what my

(54:38):
shadows are and on them, it helps them be a
lot more considered, a lot more aware and able to
move forward and manifesting the things that I want to
do and accomplish.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Peter, we've got about two minutes left. What are your
final thoughts and what would you like to share with
the x O nation tonight.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Oh boy, Well, I think that all of us we
have tremendous gifts and that we have a tremendous source
of wisdom inside of ourselves, and all we have to
do really is be open to it. And all of
the wisdom traditions, you know, people found their connection to
the transcendent, let's say, in nature and when they're calm
and when they're quiet, it's kind of like let's say radio,

(55:17):
with a lot of statics speaking of radio, and that
when we're calm, all of a sudden, that channel is
clear and we all have, we all can have access
to it, and sometimes our pain, our suffering, the shoulds
and oughts and the conditioning can kind of put a
barrier to that. But our unconscious is going to try
through dreams. It's going to try to alert us through

(55:37):
symptoms sometimes or our emotions, and all of that is
necessary to kind of help us grow and awaken and
become more conscious and considered and to really grow as
people and to hopefully evolve as human beings and humanity.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Are you seeing more and more people coming to you
for for the for the lessons that you teach them
on how to use their dreams to help them have
a better, more prosperous life. And I've got about thirty seconds.
That's a big question for true.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I think mainly through courses. I teach at one of
the coaching institutes, the Institute for Life Coach Training. So
I do a course with a colleague and we do
it on dreams, and we've prepared a course on shadow
work as well. So right now it's didactic and if
a client that I have is open to dreamwork, then
I'll certainly work with it. But it's the client's agenda
with coaching, and so I try to meet them where

(56:29):
they are and if they are open to dreams, that
can be very rich.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Peter.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Let our listeners know how they can contact you or
find out more about you.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yes, thank you. So my website is www. Dynamic Changeinc.
Dot com. And so my email through the website is
info at dynamic Changeinc. Dot com, And so I can
take emails through that, And on my website you'll also
have a phone number and a contact number, and so
I'd be thrilled. And there's also a series of blogs

(57:00):
in a shadow on dreams as well that you can
get through the website too.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Peter, I want to thank you ever so much for
joining us tonight, and to you and yours a very
merry Christmas and a happy wonderful New Year.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Yeah, thank you, Rob, and saying to you and thank
you so much.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
For having me my great pleasure.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
And that's it for tonight, Xonation. I'll be back tomorrow
night at eleven o'clock is once again we cross the
time space continuum to this place that I call the
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Classic twelve twenty dot CA for tonight, have a great one,

(57:37):
and always remember, keep your eyes to the sky and
your heart to the lake.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Good Night everyone,