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Phil Humphries is a former member of the Military, CIA Officer, Police Officer, Author, Theatrical Actor and Comedian discusses UFOs/UAPs and the possibilities that surround the phenomenon. 

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guest tonight is quite an interesting gentleman Xzone Nation. His
name is Phil Humphries and he is a former CIA officer,
a former police officer, and he's also an actor and comedian.

(02:24):
Joining us now from let me see he is in
the state of Wisconsin, a suburb of Milwaukee. Phil Humphreys,
Welcome to the X Zone.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
Thank you, sir, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So tell us a little bit about yourself. I just
kind of wetted the appetite of our listeners to find
out more about you.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
Well. I was a career law enforcement officer for quite
a while, got up the rank of sergeant. All the
time was on the road, it's undercut work in narcotics,
did some regular detective work general crimes, was a major
crime unit investigator. And then towards the end of that period,

(03:13):
I applied with CIA and Central Intelligence Agency and to
my great surprise, they hired me. So I spent a
career there and traveled the world. Was an operations a
type of technical operations officer that was out in the field,
and it's called a physical access operations officer. So I

(03:35):
would get people into denied areas and back out. And
I did that to twenty fifteen when I retired and
I moved to Wisconsin and decided a whole new career
was warranted and I went into acting and comedy and
that's where I'm at right now.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, first of all, thank you very much for your service,
because the people in the CIA do an invaluable service,
and I don't think that the greater population actually understands
what the work of the CIA is and how important
it is to world peace. Just not peace within the
United States, but world peace, because I know as a

(04:16):
fact that the CIA exchanges information with our system up here,
ceases the Canadian Security Intelligence system as well as what
is it I six Now we're m I seven in
the UK. So, and then you were you were a
former police officer. Now I understand it as a police officer,
you had or you took a call from somebody reporting

(04:38):
a UFO.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
I did. Yeah, it was quite a number of years ago.
I'd say it was probably the very early eighties. I
was a patrol officer on a county police department in
Indiana at the time, Indiana being my home state, and
some people in the southern part of the county. It
was a large jurisdic about four hundred and fifty square

(05:01):
miles had reported a large, silent, well lit object that
they couldn't identify over their house. That got called into
our dispatch center, and they dispatched me because it was
in my district. When I arrived, there was an entire family, mom, dad, kids,
and some other relatives. They were out in the yard

(05:22):
and they appeared kind of stunned. There was the craft,
whatever it was, was gone when I got there. I
was not an observer, just a report taker, and they
explained that it was really good size, well lit with
multiple lights, and it was directly above their home, made

(05:46):
no noise, and then it left. Prior to my dispatch,
I asked, you know, could it have been a hot
air balloon out after night or it could it have
been a conventional fixed wing or rotary wing aircraft? And
they all said, no, They've seen plenty of aircraft. It
wasn't any of those.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Now did your did your department receive any other reports
of the UFO that night or were there any reports
reported to the media or to the local Air Force base.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
We did not report it to the Air Force. I
didn't see it. So I went ahead and wrote up
the report documenting what the complainants said. And our dispatch
of course has a ongoing relationship with the news media,
and they didn't, of course inquire the local paper and

(06:40):
they I didn't, but the dispatch center provided them a
you know, a synopsis of the call and what had happened,
and that is the extent of it to my knowledge
to now. Could there have been other reports, sure, but
I was not dispatched on them, nor of them.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You're also the author of Kung Fu Magazine or yeah,
I don't know. I was. I had a bit of
a trouble understanding with this was Kung Fu Magazine novel
Legend of the Four Dragons Sword that was published in
twenty thirteen and is still available on Amazon right.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Actually, I was a writer for Kung Fu Magazine. I
wrote maybe a dozen articles for him, and I also
wrote a fictional fantasy novel about martial arts, which is
what you just mentioned, and that's what's on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Tell us a little bit about the book that you wrote.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
It's a complete fantasy. It's about a sword that is
legend and it possesses you know, uncanny powers, and whoever
wields it has you know, access to those uncanny powers,
including travel through time. And it follows that general track,

(08:04):
and it goes through some historical periods in Korea, which
is where I based it, and it winds up in
the US in modern times. Never was a big seller.
Might not be a huge audience for that sort of
blend of genres where martial arts and sci fi and

(08:24):
so on, But you know, it sold a few copies,
but sure essentially was not a successful endeavor.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, I will tell you something, my friend. Anyone who
gets an idea, puts it to pen and paper, actually
produces something, is able to sell even one unit of
what their idea was. To me is a hero because
there's a lot of people out there, not like you, Phil,
who are a man of actions, who just come up

(08:52):
with these ideas and they do nothing with it. What
was your inspiration to actually take this to a and
be right through to Z?

Speaker 6 (09:03):
I just I like writing, and I was a good
writer at CIA, and I'd written magazine articles about martial
arts before because I'd been in martial arts since I
was a kid, a teenager, so I decided just to
have a go at it and see if I could
write a novel. And as it turned out, after that one,

(09:26):
I wrote another one. The manuscript I've never marketed. It's
a martial arts involved crime novel. But I didn't publish it.
It's I've got no takers on it, so it's it's
still stored on my laptop. But yeah, I just liked

(09:48):
writing and decided to have a go at it. And
that was really all the thought that went into it.
I wanted to do it and went for it.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know, it sounds like you're not is ready to
go on your laptop and you could easily self publish
it and put it on Amazon and a way to go. So,
you know, again, congratulations to for actually doing something with
an idea explanation. Our guest in this hour is Phil Humphreys,
and tell us a little bit about your your stand

(10:19):
up comedian gig.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Well. I started out it was happenstance. I was an
actor at Waukeshaw Civic Theater with a little Vaudeville style
troop that they call the senior players, right, and one
of the play rights there, who's also an actor, said,
you know what, you're kind of funny, maybe you should

(10:43):
look into comedy. So I did. I reached out found
a professional from the Second City. He's a Second City alum.
He runs comedy college in Chicago and in Milwaukee, and
I signed up for one of these classes and did
a show at the end of it to a pain audience.

(11:04):
Kind of liked it. So I signed up for another
one of these classes and did another show, and then
I went on after that to do you know, two
or three others at a couple of locations here in Milwaukee.
So that's kind of how I got into it. And
at the same time, I was taking improv comedy classes

(11:26):
from the same guy, because you know, I came from
Second City and that gave me my entree to comedy.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
And you're a stage actor as well.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
I've only done that once. That's what started everything. I've
been so busy with acting school that my agent signed
me up for that. I haven't had time to do
any additional plays or or skits or anything with the theater.
And as soon as I graduate to school, my agent

(12:00):
plans on booking me for you know whatever. They can
get going as far as acting or voiceover or marcials
or what have you. And I may not have time
to do a lot of stage, but I do hope
to keep up the stand up if I can.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Good for you. Like I said, it's nice to talk
to someone who who actually does what they think they
can do and you're not afraid to take that chance.
And I wish there were more people in the world
like that, because I was brought up with the saying
if it's good enough to think, it's good enough to say,
and the only difference between a dream and reality is

(12:37):
just doing it.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
That's absolutely true. You know. I was a skinny kid,
nearsighted from a small town in Indiana, and against all
the odds, I managed to get into law enforcement and
two branches of the military and then later CIA, against
all odds because I didn't have a big fancy the

(13:00):
Ivy League college thrower. I had a certificate from a
community college. You know, I'd been a street copive and
so yeah, that taught me that exactly what you just said,
that if you can think it, you can probably do it.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Phil Please done by you and I have to take
our first break. Exonation O I guess this hour is
Phil Humphries, and when we come back, we're going to
have more with this very interesting gentleman. We're going to
be talking about UFOs, alien technology, referse engineering and more.
This is the XLL and I am Rob McConnell coming
to you from the studios of the x OWN Broadcast

(13:38):
Network in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada. And you're listening to
us on the x OWN Broadcast Network, talk Star Radio,
Mutual Broadcast and of course your hometown radio Classic twelve
twenty c FAJ and St. Catherine Streaming Classic twelve twenty
dot CA.

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You want to?

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Speaker 1 (14:51):
Welcome back here you won. This is the ex on.
Phil Humphreys is my special guest. And Phil, I understand
you have an interest UFOs. You followed you and you
have some some ways of explaining things.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I do.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
I've I've for thirty some years I've had an interest
in that. I think it's just a fascinating subject, you know,
I never encountered anything during my career that was proof
positive to me that, you know, extraterrestrial life was flying
around in our skies. But based on a totality of

(15:34):
my experiences and research and and just you know, everyday news,
it's my opinion that that's probably the case, all right.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So let me ask let me ask you this, phill
in your opinion, based on your professional experiences, do UFOs
represent an extraterrestrial presence in your opinion.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
I think some of them probably do. I think many
of them are human technology, which you know, there's a
lot of classified programs and a lot of really interesting
technologies that are just not publicly known, right and I
think it would be very easy for people to mistake,

(16:18):
you know, an exotic piece of technology in the sky
for something that's not of this world. So I think
a lot of it is that, but some of it
I believe is probably the other as well. And I
say that because of the billions and billions of stars
out there with habitable planets, which our science now knows exists,

(16:39):
it would just be stupid to think that there couldn't
be other intelligent life and that they could not travel here.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Do you think the governments of the world, including the
US and Canada, are aware of the origins of these UFOs, I.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Think probably, so I don't have any direct evidence of that.
I mean, no one ever me into a special program.
I was a traditional spy. Basically, I went out and
I got in the areas that people couldn't normally get
into and got people out of those areas. Pretty straight
stick espionage. But it's my opinion that you know, there's

(17:19):
probably not much that our governments aren't aware of, you know,
and that would include you know, what we called the
Five Eyes US, Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. Yeah,
I'm more than certain they're all aware. And by the way,
you mentioned CEESIS, I was trained with CEESIS and with

(17:42):
our CMP.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's really interesting because CECIS used to
be part of the RCMP. It was called let me
see if my memory serves me correct, jeez, I can't
remember right now, but it was the it was the
spy version within the r C. And when CEASES was formed,
they actually took members out of the RCNP Intelligence Center

(18:07):
and you know, brought them right into CESIS and a
lot of good friends that I have. You know, we're
transferred over and wow, well now they're great people.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, they actually were my trainers there. There were just
some outstanding people from both the mountings and ceases, so
I'm real proud to have worked with them.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Do you believe that various governments have actually reverse engineered
technology from crashed UFOs?

Speaker 6 (18:47):
I think it's highly likely. If you just look at
the human advancement timeline, it hasn't been all that long
since we were sitting around campfires and using stone tools,
and you know, our trajectory from that too, you know,
space travel and quantum physics and the Internet and lasers

(19:11):
and all the other things that you can mention is
really kind of short. So I think, you know, maybe
there was a boost in there somewhere and that our
folks maybe got their hands on some material and they
reverse engineered it. That's my opinion. Nothing came from CIA

(19:32):
or Cesis or our CMP, you know, but that's just
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let me ask you a different spin on the same question.
Do you believe that the Vatican is aware of the
nature of the UFO phenomenon?

Speaker 6 (19:46):
In all likelihood? Yes, they've been around a very long time.
They've got a very capable scientific apparatus, and it would
I would just be dumbf if they were not aware,
you know them. And I think if you could get
into the deep, dark, secret vaults buried in the Vatican,

(20:09):
that you'd probably be astounded by the things that they've
documented and what they know.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Well, when you read the Bible, there are several instances
where if you took the scenario, if it was to
be reported or written the same way in today's genre,
it would certainly appear that they were at you know,
they were uposed for example the Star of Bethlehem, for
another example, Ezekiel's Wheel, and the list goes on. So

(20:35):
I too believe that they would have, if any information,
because they are the greatest historians on this planet.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
That's right, Yeah, it would. I Like I said, I
would just be dumbfound stupefied if they did not have knowledge.
It goes way back.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Plus they have their own observatory they do in the US.
In fact, I'm gonna throw this ballpark out to you
this question because I just came across my mind when
you said the US, did the US go to the
moon or what is the reports of moon hoax? Reel

(21:16):
your opinion think we went there.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
I think it would have been too difficult to fake
it and not have our adversaries say, hey, way, you know,
those bozos didn't do that. Here's how they did it.
So I think just based on that alone, that we
did do that.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, the the resemblance of Capricorn. What was it, Capricorn,
Capricorn too, Capricorn one that movie with James Brolin and
what the hell was his name? The football player Simpson?

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Oh yeah, I know, I know who you're talking about,
right right, right?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
You know that that d the possibility to those who
want to create a conspiracy that we didn't go to
the moon. You know, it's just like the people who
believe that the world is flat or that there's the
inner Earth theory. It's like, okay, my wife was saying that,

(22:21):
go answer.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
There are lots of conspiracies out there, and some of them,
you know, if you listen to them long enough, you
can say, Okay, yeah, maybe it's not completely outside the
realm of possibility, but things like, you know, we didn't
go to the moon when more recent travels there have
photographed some of the portions of the craft still on
the surface. Obviously the flat earth theories, you know, is nuts.

(22:50):
But yeah, I mean, people love conspiracy and they love intrigue,
and all it takes is a spark and off you go,
you know, down some wrap at home. I was taught
not to be that way because of my profession. I
was taught to base things on logic and common sense
and factual data. So I'm kind of the wrong guy

(23:13):
for conspiracy people. But you know, I don't discount everything
they say, because yesterday's conspiracy could be today's you know, reality.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Or today's headlines. Right it's you know, I've been doing
the show for thirty five years now, and there never
seems to be any proof to prove unequivocally that something
is actually out there. For example, Bigfoot, no proof, no

(23:47):
studying pictures. Let me see what else, flying dinosaurs, flying dragons.
Once again, the UFO pictures that are taken with today's
technology in your iPhone should be crystal clear. But the
pictures now are worse than they were before.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
I know, And yeah there In fact, Elon Musk said that,
you know, he had never encountered any evidence that there
was extraterrestrial life that had visited Earth and was currently
doing so.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Exactly you know, and I certainly.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Don't have that evidence. I you know, one thing that
kind of disappointed me was during my entire time at
CIA and my interactions with other services like our CMP
and CEESIS, I never heard a single thing about UFOs,
you know, which kind of bummed me out because you know,
I thought that would be, you know, the ultimate cool

(24:47):
thing to know about, but you know, it never came
to be, you know, So that means anything. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
When it comes to Elon Musk. Here, you've got a
guy who pasted NASA in what he's able to do
on his own without having the billions and billions and
billions of dollars that come from the US government and
go into the cofference of NASA. And if he's still
using the propellant that he's using in his rockets, and

(25:19):
he certainly doesn't use anything that would make one believe
that any part of his industry comes from reverse engineering.
To me, that would certainly look like the reverse engineering
hypothesis really doesn't have a leg to stand on. But

(25:40):
that's how I think, you know, like I want to
be a believer, I've.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Got a good point. Yeah, I mean, you know, you
would think that a large sophisticated business such as his
SpaceX would utilize anything in everything that our governments had
since it's working for our government, but you don't see it.

(26:04):
He's using traditional propellant rockets to carry the craft up
out of the atmosphere and in the space. So yeah,
you've got a very good point. You know. Some say that,
you know, because of the earth shattering significance, that it's
been kept so secret amongst the military industrial intelligence complex,

(26:28):
right I is that possible, sure, But I don't know
how you would keep all those people that have involved
from talking, you know. I just I just don't know
how you do that.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
That is so true. You and I have to take
our break at the bottom of the hour. Phil, thank
you for your service both as a member of the
military as a police officer, because I too wore the
blue and carried the badge. And thank you for your
work with the sp with the s i A making
this a better world for everybody to live in, defending
freedom and democracy. So thank you, phellow, thank you sir.

(27:07):
We'll be back on the other side of this very
short break as Phil and I continue talking about UFOs
reverse engineering. The phenomena military encounters and much more. I'll
be back. My name is Rob McConnell. This is the
x oone. You're listening to us on your hometown radio
Classic twelve twenty. That's CFA Jam here in Saint Catherine's

(27:30):
and on the XON Broadcast Network. And you can listen
to us Monday through Friday from ten pm until midnight
on www dot Classic twelve twenty dot ca.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
Esus keep.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
You well.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It just got back from Roswell where the aliens have been.
And if you ask the fence the cause, well they'll
only lie again. Now I'm hunted by the gum shoes
and I'm haunted by the cops because they think that
I might be the guy making circles in the crys.

(28:32):
And I know that there's a conspiracy from the voices
in my head Elvis lives.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
That's clear to me. It's McCartney who is dead. And
if the mars Man should come again.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
And take me, I will go.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I will take a trip on their rocket ship. God
blessed the ufore give JMK this message. It's the Cuban
arm his fault, and I know that Dave Koresh is

(29:10):
alive inside the fault We've seen reports in papers.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Of the guy who knows about a car.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
That runs on chewing gum, but the Arabs rubbed him
out in loudly one that America is badly hung redpad.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
With the Cold War? Who we need something new that
they get you?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
God, it scare you.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Wonder just who who is warning you of conspiracies today?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
We're the ones who.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Fill the room.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
We are see.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
And welcome back everyone. Phil Webster's of Phil Humphreys is
our special guest. And what did you think of a
little song there?

Speaker 6 (30:01):
That was pretty good? Whoever put that together? That was excellent?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm sure you're well aware of the story of the
Roswell crash, right, yes, I am, Okay, I have problems
with it because as a former military person as well
as intelligence operator, as well as law enforcement officer, you

(30:28):
know how important the chain of custody is as well
as protecting the integrity of evidence. Okay, So here we've
got Mark Brasel goes into town, tells the sheriff, brings
him some stuff, shows the sheriff. The sheriff goes or
goes or contacts the Air Force Army Airfield Brasil not

(30:52):
Brazl But oh, my gosh, Jesse, Marcel goes to the ranch,
sees the he picks up degree, puts debris, picks it up,
puts it in his jeep. And what does he do?
Does he go to the back to the base. No,
he goes home unlets his son and his wife handle

(31:14):
the material. Now, am I wrong in thinking that as
soon as he did not bring the evidence directly to
the air base, that the chain of custody was broken
and that evidence or that that entire account just blows

(31:39):
the entire story to hell?

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah? Pretty much. I mean I never would have done
something like that. I mean, my superiors would have gone berserk. Yeah,
you know, so, yeah, that is a flaw in the storyline. Frankly,
I don't know what came down, Yeah, that night something
the government wanted to cover up, which could be a

(32:05):
lot of things side of flying saucer. You know, that
was the beginning nineteen forty seven of the of the
serious Cold War. We were in the nuclear age. You know,
it's hard telling what.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
It was.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
There.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Those believe that the debris was from Project Mogul, which
was a balloon train trail that was launched that had
censors on it, that could actually peer over the Earth's
curvature to detect if Russia had detonated an atomic weapon.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yeah, that would have been a very classified program. And
if that had gone down with the instrumentation, you know,
they certainly wouldn't have wanted it to go into civilian hands.
So exactly would have been a cover up, if you
want to use that term, a rendering of the scene
to prevent the you know, exposure of that technology.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Exactly. But you see, what we're talking about here is
common sense right within the UFO community. Ninety five percent
of those who were involved. They don't look at what
you and I were taught to look at when we're
talking to witnesses or doing an investigation. We were taught

(33:33):
that there's always three sides to a story. His side,
her side, and the truth. Yep, you know. And yeah,
and I believe that it was the well we had
the Arnold, the Arnold Kenneth Arnold sighting just prior to
the Roswell where he saw the UFOs over Mount Rainier.

(33:57):
I believe it was.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Yep, it was watched estate, I thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
And then you know, the press really whipped up the
frenzy and then you have this event in Roswell and
when this is my opinion only that when the UFO
angle came out, it gave the perfect cover story for

(34:23):
whatever was at Roswell, New Mexico. I don't believe it
was a UFO. I personally believe that it was a
downed experimental craft or mogul, And in all likelihood yes,
And then when we look at the technology that has

(34:43):
that has become available to everyone on both sides, the
good side and the bad side, you had the Well,
we know for a fact that there are hackers out
there who love going into government databases, and I've often
wondered if that database had the information that would be

(35:08):
able to put a I'm looking for, put a question
mark into the credibility of the United States government by
actually hacking their database and showing the information about Roswell

(35:31):
that the government says never did happen. And if they
were able to give this information to somebody who broke
the story and they would just shoot down the credibility
of the United States government. That hasn't happened. There has
not been any computer hack that has shown any evidence
that the United States has had encounters with UFOs. So

(35:55):
I have to wonder what is the real story. Have
we been visited? I don't know. Am I a believer?
I mean, yeah, no these questions.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
I mean, it's it's possible, yep, it is. But but
you know, having both of us being trained equally in
the same disciplines, it doesn't add up. There's no evidence,
you know, and every time you see a picture that's
a fuzzy mess, you know, I mean and Roswell in particular.

(36:29):
Besides all the things you laid out, Hollywood loved UFO
movies starting around that period into the fifties. They loved them.
So the public was right, yep for that type of thing.
You know, they were ripe for it. And it was
a It would make an excellent cover if you were
trying to hide Mogo or anything else.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Even those people who are experts in the Roswell case
are now having a serious debt because the testimonies are
changing of the witnesses. And then when that movie came out,
Oh my gosh about the Roswell the film that that

(37:15):
was exposed on Fox TV.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
Okay, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
There there's been more hoaxes that have been discovered and
shown to be hoaxes than there are any credible UFO
sightings or or any UFO evidence. Now, my question is,
if they're out there, why don't they just land on
the White House long as long as you know, President

(37:40):
Trump moves all the Tesla cars where there's enough place
for a hint for the UFO land and and Ottawa
in front of Parliament Hill, in front of the Kremlin
and wah. You know, in Russia, nothing nothing, No, there's.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
Never been any any spectacle that the public could point
to and say, oh, yeah, that's real, that that happened.
There's been nothing, you know, there's just a lot of
stories and you know, like we were talking earlier, people
love conspiracy and stories, and especially if it's a sexy

(38:17):
subject like UFOs and extraterrestrials and so on. So yeah,
you're right. I think that there really is no hard,
fast evidence, you know where you could say yep, we've
been visited.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yes, that's true. Even some of the TV shows that
focus in on the possibility of extraterrestrials visiting the planet,
like what's it called ancient Aliens, their proof is of
archaeological value. Only they have not been able to draw

(38:51):
a line directly from a archaeological object to the definitive
facts that yes, this proves been a shadow of doubt
that UFOs have visited and that the people within have
interacted with humans once again. Where's the beef? You know
that old Wendy's commercial, Where's the Beef?

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, My wife makes fun of that ancient alien.
She's also a CIA officer. That's where we met she
and she just you know, thinks that's the you know,
it's for entertainment value only, because as you said, there's
never been any expos of anything solid on there.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I've got a weird theory, and we have to take
a commercial break in about a minute from now, so
I'll just I'll give to you to chew on for
a second or two before we come back from our break.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I believe it's the UFO community that has created the
conspiracy about the UFOs and the government suppressing the information,
because without the conspira being kept alive, there would be
a lot of money lost, there would be a lot
of books not written, there'd be a lot of merchandise

(40:09):
not being sold, and so on. So I believe that
the UFO conspiracy is being maintained and is perpetrated by
the UFO community, just so that they can keep going
on talking to more people, getting more people interested, getting
more people to be on there in their different camps.

(40:31):
And well that's my theory.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Okay, that's a solid theory.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I'll give you a couple of seconds to think about that.
You and I have to take our final break for
this hour and the ex oanation I guess this hour
is Phil Humphreys. He is in Wisconsin. He's a former
CIA officer, a former county police officer. He is a comedian, actor, author,
and wow, this guy does it. He proves that if

(41:05):
it's good enough to think, which is the plan? Are
you following your own plan? You'll be successful. We'll be
back as we wrap up this hour from our broadcast
center in studios again Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada. You're listening
to us on the Excellent Broadcast Network, talk Star Radio Network,

(41:25):
Mutual Broadcast Network, and of course your hometown radio, Classic
twelve twenty c faja A M. And to the and
to the general manager of Classic twelve twenty Peter Bordley.
Hey Peter, always nice talking with you, chatting with you,
texting with you. And yes, we'll have to do coffee
at Tim Horton's this week or next week at the latest.
I'm Rob McConnell. Don't go away.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
That's the way you do it, eving. We'll get this
way money.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
The legend lives on from the Chippewa home down the

(42:22):
big lake they.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Called get Chagooby.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
The lake and is said never gets up for dead.
When skies of November turned gloomy, with the Lord of
Iron ore twenty six thousand tons more than the Edmund
fus Gerald with empty.

Speaker 8 (42:46):
That good ship and true of us uphone to be chewed.
When the girls in November game early the ship was
the pride of the American side. Coming back from some
new in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Welcome back everyone, our guests. This hour's oonation is Phil
humph you send up. First of all, Phil, thank you
so much for joining us. It's a great pleasure talking
to you. And once again, thank you for your service,
and also thank your wife for her service and keeping
us all safe, sound and free, because God knows it
must be one heck of a job. And we're glad

(43:24):
you guys are out there.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Oh well, thank you very much, and it's my distinct
pleasure to be on your show. Thank you, sir, appreciate
you having me.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
We were talking about conspiracies in the in this show,
and there's one conspiracy that comes up all the time,
and that's the who killed JFK? Or the conspiracy about
the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. And there's been
recently a slew of documents that have been released to

(43:55):
the public and still no smoking gun based on your experience,
your knowledge, and I hope I don't. I just hope
that that I don't cross line and ask you something
that you can answer. What is your theory or your
opinion on the JFK assassination conspiracy theory.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Not having had access to anything to do with that.
This is just my me talking. There's probably and you
would know this being a former cop, there's enough inconsistencies
in how the investigation of the assassination progressed to cause

(44:43):
a professional to go that doesn't really add up. So
I think there's probably some things that occurred in some
forces behind the scenes that may have been involved that
you know, you're likely never to find out about it
the way it's described is happening. And then some of

(45:08):
the evidence that's that's come out, you know, they're not
really consistent. So yeah, I don't know. I you know,
I would I'd hate to say, oh, yeah, the government
did it. You know, he was, you know, not going
with the program or whatever. But I think there's probably
more to it than what was originally put out.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
To the world. My producer during the break has sent
me a message that, you know, he doesn't believe that
the US government is suppressing any information on UFOs, because
he said, hey, President Trump would be telling the world,
and then you'd have the Secretary of Defense on signal
telling everybody.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
So that's probably true. And in fact, I'm not kidding
at all. It's probably true. You know, unless they're you know,
some some means of just scaring the hell out of
those politicians, or or they don't want to say anything,
it's probably true that they'd be yapping away on every

(46:13):
medium that they could.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I remember years ago when I had I was doing
the show out of London, Ontario at CJBK, and I
had Arden Albi on the show, who at the time
was the director of NASA, and I asked him, is
there any proof that there are extraterrestrials or aliens? To
hit the best of his knowledge and or would NASA

(46:39):
suppress the information? He said, my god, Rob, No, we
wouldn't suppress it. We'd be we'd be shouting it loud
and strong from the top of every building, calling up
every newspaper, radio station. And I said, why that would
guarantee us an unlimitless amount of money.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
It would yep, their budget would be.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Golden from then on exactly. So I don't know, Like
I want to be a believer. I want to believe
that there are UFOs out there, that there's aliens out
there that you how, Bigfoot ghost unsolved mysteries.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Yeah, I mean we all do. I mean, if it's
within the realm of quantum physics and modern science, I
think that it probably does exist, you know, but there's
many things you know that that we just don't know.
But I have, you know, like you, I've seen no

(47:46):
you know, evidence that would prove it.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
That's right, that is it. And I can't remember the
name of the guest that I was talking to. We
were talking about Bigfoot, and he's saying, well, they're out there,
and I said, well, if they're out there, why is
there not a photo. I know that people have been
putting trail cams throughout all the wooded areas where there

(48:12):
have been suggestion that there's a Bigfoot. You've got the
park services that patrol the parks, and they have cameras
in their vehicles. Everybody has a camera in their cell
phone these days, and yet there's no photos. And the
same goes for ghosts, the same goes for UFOs, the
same goes for the entities that make the crop circles

(48:34):
and so on. It's not that I am a skeptic.
I want the truth, that's it. You want me to
believe in UFOs, Well, I'd like to see a part
of a UFO. I'd love to be able to say, yes,
I believe in Bigfoot. I'd like to see proof that
he does exist.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
Yeah, I mean with all the you know, the guys
running around in the woods with rifles. You know, if
they were you know, out there, someone would have shot one,
thrown it in their pickup truck and brought it into.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
The local TV station exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
You know, that's just how people are.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
My God, there's more here.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
Clay, Look what I got. You know, you can bet
your tension off that that would have happened, and yet
it hasn't. And like you said, everyone's got a camera
in their pocket. Nowadays, it's no no photographic proof.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I remember when Starlink was launched and the satellites were
being put into their orbits. Oh my lord, we were
getting stories about UFOs left, right and center. Nobody wanted
to Yeah, nobody wanted to believe that it was Starlink.
This is what was going on. This is how it works. No, no, no, no,

(49:56):
don't tell me. I've seen satellites and I'll tell you
that a formation. Okay, if that's what you want.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
To believe, matters to see in the string of because
it's a string of light, you know, that's and they,
you know, they wanted to believe it was something It wasn't.
No way you're going to convince them.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And especially today with AI, Oh my heavens, the amount
of material that is coming out that people are claiming
it's it's real. It's just crazy. It truly is crazy.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Yeah, I mean, people are they if they want to
believe in something, and they also are gullible, you know,
you can you can bamboozle quite a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
But but you know, I've got to I've got to
come clean and say that I am responsible for spreading
falsities when it comes to things. For example, I would
tell my kids about Sytacolague. I would tell my kids
about the old lady that lived in a shoe. I
would tell my kids about the cow that jumped over
the moon. And I'm telling this to the children. And

(51:11):
basically what people are doing today when it comes to
the paranormal are the same thing, except that as adults
we are able to discern between fact and reality.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yep, I think I'm a true believer in there's more
to heaven and earth and dreamt of in your philosophy,
Big Shakespeare. I purely believe that that is the way
it is. And you know who am I to say
that this, that or the other can't exist. The only

(51:50):
thing that I will say is go along in the
same lines. Is what you said here recently, I've seen
no evidence, I've heard, I've seen nothing, I've touched nothing.
I can't say, as an honest man, yes that exists,
because I've seen no evidence of it, and to my knowledge,

(52:12):
nobody that I ever ran across has.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So you just said something very important. That is that
is usually left out of everything when it comes to
the para normal you said, as an honest man that
speaks volumes, because if you're not one of us would
like to believe, right right, And I'll tell you something.

(52:35):
The day an alien puts presents under my Christmas tree,
that's the day. I'm going to call it Alien Day
instead of Christmas Day. But yep, it's a strange world
out there, and I agree with you that there is
so much yet that we've discovered, and and if if
I had anything to do with it, I would spend

(52:55):
more time taking care of the problems on this planet
before I went searching for life on another. I take
care of the illnesses that are on this planet, the
hungry that are on this planet, those who live in
squalor who don't have clean water. We've got to take

(53:16):
care of our own before we go looking to the
skies to planets that only those with the means will
be able to go, while the less fortunate will be
forced to stay here. That's not my idea.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Yeah, I mean, we're certainly no example of a civilized species,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Kind of makes you wonder, and you're right, kind of
makes you wonder why they're here. Then if they are here,
I swear that on the dark side of the moon,
there's this big, massive billboard that says Earth ahead. Turn
around here. Yep, do you not go exactly exactly? We've

(54:03):
got about a minute left. Phil, What message or what
thought would you like to leave with the excell Nation tonight.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Well, first off, I'd like to thank you again for
having me, my great It's been a great pleasure getting
to know you talking to another fellow police officer about
a range of very interesting subjects, and I'm just very
appreciative of you inviting me on and I hope maybe
we can do it again as far as a message

(54:32):
other than just be honest with yourself and with those
close to you, and that's about the best you can do.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Phil, thank you very much for joining us. You will
be coming back, and I look forward to the next
time you and I meet here in the excelle.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Oh certainly look forward to it as well.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Thank you, sir, Take care Phil, Excellonation. I guess this
hour was Phil Humphreys.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
What a man.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
His book is available on Amazon, dot com and dot CA.
All you need to do is when the search engine,
just type in Phil Humphries and the book will pop up.
I know I did it today.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I'll be back on the other side of this break
as the X Zone Hour number two of tonight starts
right now, because this is a place for people dared
to believe and dare to be heard, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality, Monday through Friday,
ten pm until midnight on the Xzone Broadcast Network, Talkstar
Radio Network, Mutual Broadcast Network, and your hometown radio, Classic

(55:36):
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at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. Don't go away, they
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