September 14, 2025 • 42 mins
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Richard Liibeck, and Richard is with the Blue Ridge Paranormal Now.
The Blue Ridge Paranormal was formed by a group of
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national recognition of some groups, some of the most influential
and respected names on the paranormal field are well aware
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needed when people you may have seen on several paranormal
TV shows. They built the site for people who have
had who have a place to come and share their
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paranormal without fear of what others may think. Joining me
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Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thanks a lot, Rob, it's a pleasure to it's.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Great having you with us. Rich Tell me what was
it in your life, your own paranormal experience that pointed
you in the direction that you're working today to help others.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, when I was about fourteen years old, me and
my friend were spend the night at my at my
house that where I grew up in as a people,
and we both saw the apparition of a look like
eight or nine year old little girl that that that
ran past us down all the way and it didn't
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scare or anything fascinating. We automatically started pareral ma besca
and we really didn't know what that meant, but we
were trying to give and reflection. It could have been
night flee explanation that we both all the same when
and I've been fascinated every since. And another another reason
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why I got into this with my brother's actually on
your show Man the nineteen ninety his named Randy Leebeck.
He really pip me under his wing. It's really shown
a lot of stuff. He's done investigations all over the world,
and there really really helped me to use a scientific
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protocoon to debunk this first without about you know, automative
jumpany with paranormal paranormal explanation.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, how many members are there in the Blue Ridge
Paranormal group right now?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We've got three?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And how many investigations have you gone on since you started.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Since we started? Probably about wow?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And what do you consider your specialty to be?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, probably we're really interested in infrared digital photography and
uh the spear bogs with a really good results with
that and also with an EVP for we've got a
lot of the audio.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
All right, all right, Richard, you and I have to
take our first break for this our ex o nation.
Richard Leebeck is our special guest, and the website is
www dot Blue Ridge Paranormal dot com. That's www dot
Blue Ridge Paranormal dot com. And Richard and I will
be back on the other side of this break as
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our special guest this hour. He's with a Blue Ridge
Paranormal and their website is www dot blue Ridge Paranormal
dot com. Richard, you were mentioning a spirit box before
we went to the break. What is a spirit box
and how does it work?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay? Bus? The spirit boxes a scanning Uh can be
F M, A M or just AM radio that uh,
that frequency sweeps over the over the band of frequencies,
and it doesn't it stops on each frequency maybe a
quarter of second, eight to a second, and and every
one something you may hear, like a bleep or something,
but it's not long enough to get get a word.
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And and and as you as you listen to it,
if you start asking questions, a lot of the time
that you actually get a response to your question, almost
like ev P, but it's like real time e v P.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How accurate is the spirit box?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, it's very accurate. One of the members of a
group asked, what do they call Charles Harden Holly and
across the spirit box. But after about eight seconds, Buddy,
and then we actually kind of evp at the end
of that that says, Holly, it's really really strange. And
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there's one time that we're in the house for my
mother passed away, and I was the only one who
knew the first name of my mother, and it was
actually Veronica, and we heard Ronka five times within about
a ten second period. It was really eerily And we
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went to Calpens Battlefield in South Carolina and we were
we were asking questions and one of the first things
we heard was goh seventh and the seventh Battalion was
one of the troops that fought at Calpins. And then
we start hearing battle commands and and at one point
I say King George is a coward, and then within
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a second female voice as traders, and we get It's
truly amazing. I don't know how this works. All logic
says that it shouldn't work, but it absolutely does work.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What has been your most significant investigation to date with
Blue Ridge Paranormal.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, in two thousand and seven, I, me and my
brother we went to to Gettysburg and we were investigating
at the Trianglar Field. It's it's where where l Long
Street's uh corps. Uh they took on uh horrific casualties
as they're coming across the wheat field and into Devil's Den,
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and uh I was taken. I took a a digital
picture of it was we were on the field. There
was no there's no one on the field. The everything
was under control circumstances. And I took a picture and
there was a hazy white spot on on the photo
and I I thought that was very odd, so I
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put it in for red fields are on the camera
and then I took another picture and I took it
by maybe a hundred morning a bad day. But uh
w W. When I looked at the pictures, I did
see a little blob in the bottom right hand corner
and and then I just I couldn't really analyze this.
I went back to the hotel and put it on
on the TV screen and actually looked like a full
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bite apparition Civil War soldier.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And I've had it professionally enhanced. I've had some professional
investigators look at it. I had josh O P. Warren
has had it on his his rad air shows and
it truly, it actually shows to the chevron on on
his own shoulder, and it's the same exact position as
the first photo that I took without the infra filter
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where the hazy spot work. And it was truly, you know,
it's one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
I mean, it was very impressive. And and we actually
investigated the Gettysburg Orphanage and then member of our of
our group was actually in in. They called it the
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hole where Rosa Carmichael I've put put kids in. That
was was very, very cramped, and it was like it
was like a solitary confinement for little children. And she
actually went up in that hole and and then she
was talking to children like she was saying, I'm so
sorry all this happened to you, and and you know,
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field really bad. And she said that the atmosphere in
the hole change after about an hour, almost like you know,
if if somebody walks into the room and it just
pitch dark, we just still feel the atmosphere change. And
then and then suddenly she heard a child's voice whisper
in her ear. She could tell what it said, but
it was something that was like right in her ear,
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and it was very very very impressive, and she did children, Yeah,
exactly that she felt it and it was like gave
me cold sheels from from the fifth of my toes.
Was really really really Now.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Did children actually die in that hole?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I don't believe any any of them died, but they
were tortured, They were really really abused, and and I
would have to check safe anyone die, I don't believe so.
But but still on me was I believe that children
have such a such psychic energy anyway, if you if
you you abuse them, I mean, you could absolutely infuse
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an area with with holling activity.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But I thought haunting activity only occurred where a person died.
And I'm trying to understand how this how this presence
could be in an area where the children didn't did
not die.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well in our investigations, I believe that it doesn't have
to be necessarily a death that that causes holling activity.
I believe that, you know, the Haunted schools is the
perfect example of that. I mean, you know, I've heard
of many researchers can con to it to a school
and they hear kids laughing, kids, you know, playing. Now
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it really ends if it's an intelligent home or if
it's a residual if you have you know, that's that
does sound like that that the Children's orphanage had it
could have been intelligent, but you know, it could I'm
not sure if if you know, you know, some people
think that a ghost is a the soul of a
dead person, or we have a theory that a ghost
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could be a byproduct at the level of living condition
to where it retains partial intelligence and you know, and
then it can remember some of this environments that it
may not be you know, a you know that dry
is just you know, hey, I'm I've died and now
I'm coming back to you know, go to places where
I once was because usually with evs and and you
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know a lot of times you your reports of ghosts
that be confused and stuff. So I mean, I'm not
a hund percenture if if that's a Bible theory, but
i mean, you know, right now, we're just trying to
document and see what we can find out.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That why is it the some spirits go across the light,
another spirits stay behind, Like why would all the soldiers
in Gettysburg stay there? Why would people or spirits hang
around haunted houses? And why don't they just get annoyed
that so many people keep disrupting their peace.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
A lot of theories about that one thing. If you
think about like in Gettysburg, perfect example, if these soldiers,
I mean that they're in the prime of their life.
A lot of them were as young as thirteen or
fourteen years old. And you know, if one thing about
not going to the lot, I mean, if you know,
if you die that quickly, I mean, you know, you
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may not even realize what happened, if your if head
was turned away from the bullet or something hit you
and you didn't even realize what happened. And also it
could be that that's you know, some some people you
know that have passed you, they might not want to
go to the lot. I mean, you know, if you
believe in heaven and hell, I mean, if you've been
a really bad person, you may not want to go,
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you know, and see what your judgment is.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Hm hmm. So what do you what do you folks
at the Blue Ridge Paranormal try to establish if if
there are so many researchers out there and they're all
using e vps, they're all using the different types of cameras.
Now what are you trying to prove?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, the first thing is in anyone who says they
know what the answer is, then I would not put
any credence in what they're saying. The best we can
do is document and try to come up with intelligent
you know, an intelligent hypothesis. You know, it's almost impossible
to know for sure. I mean, you know, a ghost
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could be the spirit of a dead person, that could
be residual, it could be you know one of about
you know fifteen things you know and and and one
thing I do like to caution is, you know, if
if you are communicate with the spirit through oug board
or e vpnything else, and then they say that that
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that your that's your father or your mother, you know,
you have no idea on what you're staking with. I mean,
you know you'd be extremely careful and you have to
no matter what information you get, you really need to
be you know, you know you give it, have it
with a grain of salt. I mean, you do not
want to trust anything that you cannot see, touch, taste,
you know, it's it's it's it can be very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So if you can't trust anything that you can't touch
or taste. How can you trust the the the quest
for spirits when they can't be touched or tasted.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, the main thing that we're trying to do, we're
trying to document. You know, any kind of anomothyct may
be your scientific you know if if if we can
you know, detect it, you know, we can record it.
We'll absolutely do that. If somebody is being tormented by
the spirit or or or the anomaly, you know what,
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we can refer them to the council. We can, you know,
we can kind of be there, as you know, at
least with the scientific documentation, you can, you know, very
least you can you can help them to show other people,
you know, that they're not crazy. You know, there is
stuff happening, and and and we'll we help any way
we can. But we make no disclaimers say that we
can you know, remove a ghost, or we can you know,
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do anything other than just be there for more support
and scientific documentation.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now you've used the word scientific documentation a number of times.
What do you consider to be scientific documentation?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well, with basically what we do is we try to
document stuff. We try to record e v P. We
try to take pictures and and no time do we
tell anyone as a ghost you know that this is
the spirit of a dead person. We don't know, and
very possible that we do what we like to just
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record the environment and then and then I give any
data that we have, and then after that point it's
up to the deserver or the person for you just
looking at this to say what it is. I mean,
we can, we can guess, but there's no real way
to know for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
All Right, you and I have to go for our
commercial break with the news at the bottom of the hour.
X oone Nation. Richard Leebeck is our guest this hour.
He's with Blue Ridge Blue Ridge Paranormal and their website
is www dot blue Ridge Paranormal dot com. Just another
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Richard Lebeck as our guest this hour. Www dot Blue
Ridge paranormal dot com. Richard, with all the research that
you've done on the battlefields and in the history which
area which you which you live and investigate, have you
been able to listen to past battles?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, Actually in cow Pens, you know, like I mentioned before,
we did get the sound like both having battle commands.
When we were in Gattysburg, we actually heard phantom cannon
fire was off in the distance, but we heard nothing
at the time. But when we were back listening for
the for the record, we definitely heard that. Ever, I
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was in Gaysburg when I got fund from my soldier photo.
My brother was calling off soldiers that had actually been
killed in the battle. He was in like a roll call,
and he actually asked about Captain Isaac Nichols and then
and as soon as he did that, you heard like
a long thrown out yes, like he was trying to respond.
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We were in Fort Pulaski and wasn't really a battle
at the time, But basically I asked the question, did
you find in Gettysburg? And I got an Epp says, right,
in Gettysburg, we're actually in a in a cell where
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it was called the I think it was the immortal
five hundred that were starving for Pulaski and and I
actually asked if they were hungry, and we be get
a an echo voice and I'm starving it is you
know that this is truly, this is truly a real
phenomenon of anyone that doesn't believe it. I mean, if
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they can hang in with our group for a couple hours,
I think we could convince them. But it's just, you know,
between the spearbox and Epp, truly it's truly amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So if there's so much evidence that is picked up
by amateurs like yourself, another and the other groups that
are out there, why isn't the scientific community getting in
there to try to establish what is fact and what is.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Well. When my colleagues had a very good point that
there's no money in it, you know that there's no
way that they can make money because it's not reproducible.
I mean, if you could, if you could somehow you know,
be able to make it happen over enough to you know,
make the scientific community you're taking notice, you know, then
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it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Be well, how can we say there, How can we
say there's no money in it? Because if the scientific
community could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
there is life after death, that would open up an
entire new industry, you know, the the the religious, the
religious implications alone would be astonishing historical, you know, So
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how can we say science doesn't want to get into
it because there's no money in it? I see it
the exact opposite way around.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, I agree, and that if there was, if there
was some way that if somebody was to invent you know,
special glass is or something that could that could prove
you know, hate there's spiritual around us that could absolutely
you know, be you know that part of it. But
but this is so random. I mean, you know there's
times that that that we investigate for speak the hours
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and I'll get anything, and then that last hour, you know,
we get you know, nine or ten you know, EVPs
or And I think that if there was any way
to that this is such a random event, you know
that I don't see how many any scientific you know. Yeah,
you know, if you if you had a ghost to
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walk across you know, the White House long and walk
right in front of it, you know, in front of
the President, something like that may be big enough to
you know, to make that habit. But be even with that,
even even with that, there's a lot of people out
there still wouldn't believe it, and they would say that,
you know, that's just an ad digital you know, trickery,
and but yeah, I mean for me personally, I would
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love to, you know, if somebody was able to, you know,
get something that we could replicate this and get scientific
you know, confirmation on it, because a lot of times
that scientists don't seriously because of the ridicule, you know
that they don't want to be associated with it, because
of you know, a lot of people think that's hogwash.
If you can't see it, touch it, you know, feel it,
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and then it's not real. But I mean it's it
is absolutely real now, you know. If it's that, they
can you prove it, And that's another different story to it.
You know, I'm be on the shadow of the dow.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I you know, I'm playing the devil's advocate when you
said that there's no money in it, and you know, yeah,
and then you're you were talking and you know what
kind of effect would it have on the ghost research
community if science was to take a hardcore look at
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it and say, you know what, guys, you're chasing uh,
you're chasing I lost frequencies, you're chasing you know, insect lights,
you're chasing do drops, you know, and they could prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing
to these ghost images or these ghost uh sounds that
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come from e vps. That would be very detrimental to
the the ghost community. So is it possible that the
ghost community really doesn't want science involved?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Very inner point? I believe to a to a small degree.
I mean that there may be some researchers that agree
with that, right. I'm you know, our group we investigate
anything in nonmalists that where that's but it's stuff can
come in and to prove it. Then I think that's
you know, I think that's tomic put on something else.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm I'm definitely not in that vein of you know,
of not wanting to know. I would like to get
as much scientific you know, backup in the back as possible.
But you know, but do I think there is a
core the people out there that just that they don't
want to know, and then they just want to have
something to investigate. That's that's that's possible, but it's definitely
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not not the way that we think.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Why do you why do you think so many people
in the year twenty sixteen are so interested in the
power normaland those who have died so long ago.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, I think that the television shows really helped that
ghost Hunters, I guess, adventures, and I think that's really
you got the the interestuff. But I think that it's
just sadly, I think that a lot of people are
losing faith, you know, and and they're reaching for anything
that they can. And I think that the world, you knows,
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this is one of the darker times in our history.
I mean, you know, I have you know, there's our
group where we're strictly Christian, but I know that the
even even if you're not, if if you look at
the facts, you know that there's a lot of things
in the Bible that that look like they're coming true.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And I think that that people are trying to to,
you know, reconnect with that spirituality. And you know that
some people you know who want to investigate, you know,
his historical you know things that or or or they
want to get in touch with the people that they've lost.
You know, a lot of people have been you know,
(27:27):
back back in the day, a lot of people were
using in Ouiji boards, you know, back in the early
nineteen hundreds, you know, spiritualism and and and I think
that that kind of goes long. You know, I think
everybody you know wants to know the answer, you know,
is their life that fath I think that that that
is a huge end and maybe not being any more
than more than it was one hundred years ago, but
(27:49):
there's you know, there's a possibility that maybe now some
of the scientific enhancements that we have going it could
actually be opening the doors a little bit more at
leasting it over the last fifty years.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, you mentioned the TV shows, but everyone knows
that these TV shows are anything but reality. Like they're
they're not supposed to be scripted. They are the the
they're the post production that is put into them. They
take six, seven, eight days cram it into twenty two
minutes for a half hour show. So why do people
(28:25):
put so much faith in what they see on TV?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's a very good question. I believe that it's unfortunate.
But you know this, you know, this does not happen
on command and these are TV shows. Whenever we watch them,
you know, we look at it and we say, you know,
I hope it's real, but you know, it's you know,
sometimes it really expike. Sometimes you have to just you know,
(28:51):
go on. But something that you know, from what our
group is doing, it is truly you know, some stuff
that they're getting, this stuff that we've got, you know,
and you know, I don't know if they're faking it
or not, but I mean it's really you know, I
don't see how you know, everybody can totally doubt you know,
what they're catching sometimes, especially I know ghost Hunters has
(29:11):
been ten of the scrutiny. And then maybe they're faking stuff,
and maybe they're not. But a lot of times the
stuff that they present is stuff that that we get,
more impressive stuff than on a weekly basis than the
stuff that they've been filling. So I hope they're not
doing it, but I know that there's a lot of
speculation on in and had about you know that a
lot of them are faking it and stuff. And I
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mean that one comes to ghost adventures. I have some
inside information that the Zach Fagin's is really really hardcore
on this and and you know, I know he acts
kind of theatrical on his episodes, but I mean it's
from from what I've heard, he's really into this and
he's really trying to gather get evidence. And but but
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that being said, I mean, you know it could absolutely
be faked too. I don't know, I'm not in the
production meetings or anything, but you know, but yeah, yeah,
ghost television show. You have to watch all of it
with a grain of salt and don't take anything for
at face value.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
So tell me, does ghost hunting and paranormal research go
against the Bible?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
No? No, I believe as Christians we truly know where
we're going. And when Christians are curious.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay, so being a Christian know where you're going, why
do you have the need to do the investigation if
you already have the answer.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, we we want to know what this is. I mean,
you know it is this, you know, just a recording
in the environment or we don't know I mean, is
this Could this be demons? Absolutely? Could this be something
that's something in the environment that we do not know
what it is? It may be it may be another intelligence.
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I mean, it may be something trying to masquerade is
as you're you know, long lost at or something.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Could it be our very own desires and our thought
transference that are creating these illusions.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Absolutely, I mean everybody, this could be created by the
human mind. I mean that you know, it could be
some mechanism that we do not understand yet. I mean,
that's that's very possible. And that's one reason why we
kind of documents. That's because you know, we want to
try to come up with with good, good solid science
behind this. We don't want to say that they you
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know that that there's something walking across the court or
there's the gusts of that person.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
But you just said you want to come up with
good solid science. And if nothing you're doing is being
accepted by the scientific community, how can you come up
with anything that'll be looked at through serious glasses.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well on on that end of it our group, but
we are not trying to give me any anybody. Really,
all we're doing, we're trying to finances for ourselves, document
are chwards for our bio. You know, we're just trying
to you know, find our own answers and you know,
you know, and then our holy grill is is we
want you as a group and individually also we would
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just love to see the full show, you know what.
We would love to see the ghost. We would love
to see it, you know, walk in front of us
and you know, try to have that interaction. But there's
no way to prove anything to anybody. I mean what
we could have the best evidence in the world and
we could present it on seeing n at at six
pm on next Sunday night, but then you know, you
may get a few people that believe it that don't.
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Most people will just you know, just you know, push
it away and you can you know, so mainly it's
it's for us, but we like to help people and
we just want to you know, we look at scientifically
because you know, feelings can't be proven. You know, if
we can say that, hey, I saw ghosts and I
took a picture and there's this mist here. I saw
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a Civil War soldier, but then I saw I saw
this black man us, you know, you know that's what
I mean, or or the camera picked up a black mass,
So it's you know it, you know, it's it's it's
gonna be a long process of people, you know, getting
you know, more and more you know, resulting and more
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and more ideas that everybody's out there thinking, and then
you know, the more we do, and then maybe somebody
will be able to invent that that you know, silver bullet,
that that can that can detect these things on command,
and then you know, you know, I think that on
some of the recent episodes of Ghost Adventures, Bill Chappell
has uh has invented that that the connect cam and
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and the software that looks like it's actually picking these
things up. You know, I hope that that's really doing that.
If it is, I think that's amazing, then that could
be the next step into you know, scientific acceptance of
what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
But if this has been invented and it is real,
why hasn't the mainstream media picked up on it? Why
is it only on the specialty channels that that target
this audience, Like something doesn't make sense in this whole scenario.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
For me, it's a very good point I cannot deny that.
The only way to know is if you get something
you know that's that's so in your face that you
can actually, you know, say hey, I've got a special camera.
You put it in this mode and you take a picture. Yeah,
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you know, and and appreciation, you know, if you know,
if a psychic said, hey, there's twenty ghosts in this room,
and you take the camera, you take a picture of Hey,
but there's twenty ghosts, you know that, then then you
can you can, you know, submit that to the scientific
community and say, hey, this is replicatable. You know, we
can we can do this on command. And then at
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that point then then maybe they'll look at it and
hopefully you know, but but right now there's definitely enough
to put that into existence.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So where do you where do you see ghost research
or paranormal research. Let's say, five ten years from.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Now, I say, unless something changes, it's gonna be kind
of about what it is now. I mean, I don't
you know, you know, that's like I said that the
Bill Chapel inventions and basically it's just you know a
lot of people out there that they're thinking like our group,
and there's a lot of great groups out there and
we're just thinking of you know, you know, kind of
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off the wall stuff. I mean, you never know what
that golden combination is going to be. I mean, you
may just be able to, you know, put this filter
with this camera in this mode and you make it lucky,
and that might be it. But it may may take
six weeks, it may take six hundred years. You know,
it's just really you know, it happens in my lifetimes.
I definitely want to say it.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You know, there's a lot of people investigating a lot
of things these days. You have the bigfoot researchers, you
have the UFO researchers, You've got the ghost pele like yourself,
you have lake monster uh seekers, and you know, the
list goes on. And all these years, with all this
new technology, nothing new has come. Do you think that
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this might have something to do with mainstream media as
well as the majority of the population really not or
not really not but starting to lose interest.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I guess, I guess that could be possible. I remember
the story on CNN, you know, maybe six seven years
ago about the you know that they supposedly found a
big foot and it was the guy taked it and
it's a rubber suit and a freezer and stuff. I mean,
stuff like that really hurts hurts our our endeavors and
stuff and nobody takes it seriously and stuff. I mean,
(36:51):
I think it will be for cryptis and stuff. I
have that dead body something that they can analyze. They
can see it. I mean, you can, you can think stuff.
But you know, there's photoshop, there's all kinds of ways
to you know, to really you know, in balteople do it.
But but yeah, there's there's tons of hoaxers out there,
and I'm just and people lose an interest is very possible,
(37:12):
but I really hope that, Yeah, I think there's a
core community that that that you don't matter if you
know what that's the case. I mean, world will always
going to be investigating and will be in her in
her nineties. Still don't need VP sessions and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
All right, stand by, we've got to take our final break.
Exponation Richard. Richard Leeby is our special guest that our
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exponation Richard is with Blue Ridge Paranormal. In your opinion, Richard,
what what does it take for someone to become a
paranormal investigator?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well, first of all, you know, there's no special tools
or you don't have to buy anything. Basically, one of
the main thing is you have to be curious and
and you can you start out with you know, maybe
maybe everybody has a camera on the cell phone. You
can take some pictures. You can just you know, get
and most you know phones, you can get a borgeacle
(38:27):
wrap and if you can just record and ask questions
and then listen in no no real special that the
most important parormal tool is actually the human body. And
you know, you pick up a law more you have
to have you don't have to spend thousands of dollars
on equipment or anything. It's got to be curious and
you have to be you know, just have a genial,
you know, question of what is going on. I mean
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that there's there's something going on I know out about
that you know what it is? I don't know. I
may never know, but I do know that that it's
fascinating and and I I feel like that we're on
the cutting edge of what we got going on there
because you know, the mainstream science is not looking at it.
And whenever you find that moment of discovery, truly amazing.
(39:10):
Knowing that that you're first people to or at least
maybe not the first people that maybe the you know,
the lower percentile of the world that they have seen
heard this stuff. And you know, it's there if people
just look for it.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
But you know, with over sixteen thousand, sixteen thousand groups
in the United States alone that go out looking for
ghosts and spirits to try and prove it, I don't
understand why it hasn't been found.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
If it's there, I agree, I mean, is it is truly? Yeah,
it's leading. I mean, you know that my brother has
been investigating since the the mid nineteen eighties, and he'll
absolutely tell me that that's very, very rare for him
to find any I mean, it's just usually you know,
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but whenever he does find something, you know, he really
treasures it because for something, you know, he he he's
very scientifically minded and uh and for sure we believe
that that's possible an entrance if you're a total skeptic
that you know, these things seem to kind of shy
away from, you know, hard skeptics, and Randy's not a
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hardened skeptic, but but he is very very very you know, methodical,
and he's a police officer and he only wants documentable
facts and uh and we we are more like free thinkers,
you know. Sometimes we go into investigation and we start
acting like, you know, like the events are happening around us,
and that technique does seem to get a lot of
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more attention than going and please speak to this recorder.
My name is mister Smith. I need to know what
you are, who you are. You know, you usually have
to be kind of more of a more of a
open minded and more you know, open to whatever happens.
You know, you know, if if you're just totally to
cut and draw on sometimes of that go away from
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what you're going to do.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Richard, I want to thank you so much for joining
us tonight. Great pleasure talking to Please get my very
best of Randy.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Okay, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
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Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thanks a lot, Rob, it's a pleasure to it's.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Great having you with us. Rich Tell me what was
it in your life, your own paranormal experience that pointed
you in the direction that you're working today to help others.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, when I was about fourteen years old, me and
my friend were spend the night at my at my
house that where I grew up in as a people,
and we both saw the apparition of a look like
eight or nine year old little girl that that that
ran past us down all the way and it didn't
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scare or anything fascinating. We automatically started pareral ma besca
and we really didn't know what that meant, but we
were trying to give and reflection. It could have been
night flee explanation that we both all the same when
and I've been fascinated every since. And another another reason
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why I got into this with my brother's actually on
your show Man the nineteen ninety his named Randy Leebeck.
He really pip me under his wing. It's really shown
a lot of stuff. He's done investigations all over the world,
and there really really helped me to use a scientific
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protocoon to debunk this first without about you know, automative
jumpany with paranormal paranormal explanation.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, how many members are there in the Blue Ridge
Paranormal group right now?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We've got three?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And how many investigations have you gone on since you started.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Since we started? Probably about wow?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And what do you consider your specialty to be?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, probably we're really interested in infrared digital photography and
uh the spear bogs with a really good results with
that and also with an EVP for we've got a
lot of the audio.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
All right, all right, Richard, you and I have to
take our first break for this our ex o nation.
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our special guest this hour. He's with a Blue Ridge
Paranormal and their website is www dot blue Ridge Paranormal
dot com. Richard, you were mentioning a spirit box before
we went to the break. What is a spirit box
and how does it work?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay? Bus? The spirit boxes a scanning Uh can be
F M, A M or just AM radio that uh,
that frequency sweeps over the over the band of frequencies,
and it doesn't it stops on each frequency maybe a
quarter of second, eight to a second, and and every
one something you may hear, like a bleep or something,
but it's not long enough to get get a word.
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And and and as you as you listen to it,
if you start asking questions, a lot of the time
that you actually get a response to your question, almost
like ev P, but it's like real time e v P.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How accurate is the spirit box?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, it's very accurate. One of the members of a
group asked, what do they call Charles Harden Holly and
across the spirit box. But after about eight seconds, Buddy,
and then we actually kind of evp at the end
of that that says, Holly, it's really really strange. And
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there's one time that we're in the house for my
mother passed away, and I was the only one who
knew the first name of my mother, and it was
actually Veronica, and we heard Ronka five times within about
a ten second period. It was really eerily And we
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went to Calpens Battlefield in South Carolina and we were
we were asking questions and one of the first things
we heard was goh seventh and the seventh Battalion was
one of the troops that fought at Calpins. And then
we start hearing battle commands and and at one point
I say King George is a coward, and then within
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a second female voice as traders, and we get It's
truly amazing. I don't know how this works. All logic
says that it shouldn't work, but it absolutely does work.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What has been your most significant investigation to date with
Blue Ridge Paranormal.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, in two thousand and seven, I, me and my
brother we went to to Gettysburg and we were investigating
at the Trianglar Field. It's it's where where l Long
Street's uh corps. Uh they took on uh horrific casualties
as they're coming across the wheat field and into Devil's Den,
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and uh I was taken. I took a a digital
picture of it was we were on the field. There
was no there's no one on the field. The everything
was under control circumstances. And I took a picture and
there was a hazy white spot on on the photo
and I I thought that was very odd, so I
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put it in for red fields are on the camera
and then I took another picture and I took it
by maybe a hundred morning a bad day. But uh
w W. When I looked at the pictures, I did
see a little blob in the bottom right hand corner
and and then I just I couldn't really analyze this.
I went back to the hotel and put it on
on the TV screen and actually looked like a full
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bite apparition Civil War soldier.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And I've had it professionally enhanced. I've had some professional
investigators look at it. I had josh O P. Warren
has had it on his his rad air shows and
it truly, it actually shows to the chevron on on
his own shoulder, and it's the same exact position as
the first photo that I took without the infra filter
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where the hazy spot work. And it was truly, you know,
it's one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
I mean, it was very impressive. And and we actually
investigated the Gettysburg Orphanage and then member of our of
our group was actually in in. They called it the
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hole where Rosa Carmichael I've put put kids in. That
was was very, very cramped, and it was like it
was like a solitary confinement for little children. And she
actually went up in that hole and and then she
was talking to children like she was saying, I'm so
sorry all this happened to you, and and you know,
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field really bad. And she said that the atmosphere in
the hole change after about an hour, almost like you know,
if if somebody walks into the room and it just
pitch dark, we just still feel the atmosphere change. And
then and then suddenly she heard a child's voice whisper
in her ear. She could tell what it said, but
it was something that was like right in her ear,
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and it was very very very impressive, and she did children, Yeah,
exactly that she felt it and it was like gave
me cold sheels from from the fifth of my toes.
Was really really really Now.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Did children actually die in that hole?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I don't believe any any of them died, but they
were tortured, They were really really abused, and and I
would have to check safe anyone die, I don't believe so.
But but still on me was I believe that children
have such a such psychic energy anyway, if you if
you you abuse them, I mean, you could absolutely infuse
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an area with with holling activity.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But I thought haunting activity only occurred where a person died.
And I'm trying to understand how this how this presence
could be in an area where the children didn't did
not die.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well in our investigations, I believe that it doesn't have
to be necessarily a death that that causes holling activity.
I believe that, you know, the Haunted schools is the
perfect example of that. I mean, you know, I've heard
of many researchers can con to it to a school
and they hear kids laughing, kids, you know, playing. Now
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it really ends if it's an intelligent home or if
it's a residual if you have you know, that's that
does sound like that that the Children's orphanage had it
could have been intelligent, but you know, it could I'm
not sure if if you know, you know, some people
think that a ghost is a the soul of a
dead person, or we have a theory that a ghost
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could be a byproduct at the level of living condition
to where it retains partial intelligence and you know, and
then it can remember some of this environments that it
may not be you know, a you know that dry
is just you know, hey, I'm I've died and now
I'm coming back to you know, go to places where
I once was because usually with evs and and you
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know a lot of times you your reports of ghosts
that be confused and stuff. So I mean, I'm not
a hund percenture if if that's a Bible theory, but
i mean, you know, right now, we're just trying to
document and see what we can find out.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That why is it the some spirits go across the light,
another spirits stay behind, Like why would all the soldiers
in Gettysburg stay there? Why would people or spirits hang
around haunted houses? And why don't they just get annoyed
that so many people keep disrupting their peace.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
A lot of theories about that one thing. If you
think about like in Gettysburg, perfect example, if these soldiers,
I mean that they're in the prime of their life.
A lot of them were as young as thirteen or
fourteen years old. And you know, if one thing about
not going to the lot, I mean, if you know,
if you die that quickly, I mean, you know, you
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may not even realize what happened, if your if head
was turned away from the bullet or something hit you
and you didn't even realize what happened. And also it
could be that that's you know, some some people you
know that have passed you, they might not want to
go to the lot. I mean, you know, if you
believe in heaven and hell, I mean, if you've been
a really bad person, you may not want to go,
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you know, and see what your judgment is.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Hm hmm. So what do you what do you folks
at the Blue Ridge Paranormal try to establish if if
there are so many researchers out there and they're all
using e vps, they're all using the different types of cameras.
Now what are you trying to prove?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, the first thing is in anyone who says they
know what the answer is, then I would not put
any credence in what they're saying. The best we can
do is document and try to come up with intelligent
you know, an intelligent hypothesis. You know, it's almost impossible
to know for sure. I mean, you know, a ghost
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could be the spirit of a dead person, that could
be residual, it could be you know one of about
you know fifteen things you know and and and one
thing I do like to caution is, you know, if
if you are communicate with the spirit through oug board
or e vpnything else, and then they say that that
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that your that's your father or your mother, you know,
you have no idea on what you're staking with. I mean,
you know you'd be extremely careful and you have to
no matter what information you get, you really need to
be you know, you know you give it, have it
with a grain of salt. I mean, you do not
want to trust anything that you cannot see, touch, taste,
you know, it's it's it's it can be very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So if you can't trust anything that you can't touch
or taste. How can you trust the the the quest
for spirits when they can't be touched or tasted.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, the main thing that we're trying to do, we're
trying to document. You know, any kind of anomothyct may
be your scientific you know if if if we can
you know, detect it, you know, we can record it.
We'll absolutely do that. If somebody is being tormented by
the spirit or or or the anomaly, you know what,
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we can refer them to the council. We can, you know,
we can kind of be there, as you know, at
least with the scientific documentation, you can, you know, very
least you can you can help them to show other people,
you know, that they're not crazy. You know, there is
stuff happening, and and and we'll we help any way
we can. But we make no disclaimers say that we
can you know, remove a ghost, or we can you know,
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do anything other than just be there for more support
and scientific documentation.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now you've used the word scientific documentation a number of times.
What do you consider to be scientific documentation?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well, with basically what we do is we try to
document stuff. We try to record e v P. We
try to take pictures and and no time do we
tell anyone as a ghost you know that this is
the spirit of a dead person. We don't know, and
very possible that we do what we like to just
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record the environment and then and then I give any
data that we have, and then after that point it's
up to the deserver or the person for you just
looking at this to say what it is. I mean,
we can, we can guess, but there's no real way
to know for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
All Right, you and I have to go for our
commercial break with the news at the bottom of the hour.
X oone Nation. Richard Leebeck is our guest this hour.
He's with Blue Ridge Blue Ridge Paranormal and their website
is www dot blue Ridge Paranormal dot com. Just another
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I believe two weeks yesterday, the X Zone will be
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six to ten will be repeated in its entirety, so
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at night. But this is nice starting work earlier and
finishing work earlier. I'll be back on the other side. Explanation.
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Richard Lebeck as our guest this hour. Www dot Blue
Ridge paranormal dot com. Richard, with all the research that
you've done on the battlefields and in the history which
area which you which you live and investigate, have you
been able to listen to past battles?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, Actually in cow Pens, you know, like I mentioned before,
we did get the sound like both having battle commands.
When we were in Gattysburg, we actually heard phantom cannon
fire was off in the distance, but we heard nothing
at the time. But when we were back listening for
the for the record, we definitely heard that. Ever, I
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was in Gaysburg when I got fund from my soldier photo.
My brother was calling off soldiers that had actually been
killed in the battle. He was in like a roll call,
and he actually asked about Captain Isaac Nichols and then
and as soon as he did that, you heard like
a long thrown out yes, like he was trying to respond.
(20:57):
We were in Fort Pulaski and wasn't really a battle
at the time, But basically I asked the question, did
you find in Gettysburg? And I got an Epp says, right,
in Gettysburg, we're actually in a in a cell where
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it was called the I think it was the immortal
five hundred that were starving for Pulaski and and I
actually asked if they were hungry, and we be get
a an echo voice and I'm starving it is you
know that this is truly, this is truly a real
phenomenon of anyone that doesn't believe it. I mean, if
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they can hang in with our group for a couple hours,
I think we could convince them. But it's just, you know,
between the spearbox and Epp, truly it's truly amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So if there's so much evidence that is picked up
by amateurs like yourself, another and the other groups that
are out there, why isn't the scientific community getting in
there to try to establish what is fact and what is.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Well. When my colleagues had a very good point that
there's no money in it, you know that there's no
way that they can make money because it's not reproducible.
I mean, if you could, if you could somehow you know,
be able to make it happen over enough to you know,
make the scientific community you're taking notice, you know, then
(22:23):
it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Be well, how can we say there, How can we
say there's no money in it? Because if the scientific
community could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
there is life after death, that would open up an
entire new industry, you know, the the the religious, the
religious implications alone would be astonishing historical, you know, So
(22:45):
how can we say science doesn't want to get into
it because there's no money in it? I see it
the exact opposite way around.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, I agree, and that if there was, if there
was some way that if somebody was to invent you know,
special glass is or something that could that could prove
you know, hate there's spiritual around us that could absolutely
you know, be you know that part of it. But
but this is so random. I mean, you know there's
times that that that we investigate for speak the hours
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and I'll get anything, and then that last hour, you know,
we get you know, nine or ten you know, EVPs
or And I think that if there was any way
to that this is such a random event, you know
that I don't see how many any scientific you know. Yeah,
you know, if you if you had a ghost to
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walk across you know, the White House long and walk
right in front of it, you know, in front of
the President, something like that may be big enough to
you know, to make that habit. But be even with that,
even even with that, there's a lot of people out
there still wouldn't believe it, and they would say that,
you know, that's just an ad digital you know, trickery,
and but yeah, I mean for me personally, I would
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love to, you know, if somebody was able to, you know,
get something that we could replicate this and get scientific
you know, confirmation on it, because a lot of times
that scientists don't seriously because of the ridicule, you know
that they don't want to be associated with it, because
of you know, a lot of people think that's hogwash.
If you can't see it, touch it, you know, feel it,
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and then it's not real. But I mean it's it
is absolutely real now, you know. If it's that, they
can you prove it, And that's another different story to it.
You know, I'm be on the shadow of the dow.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I you know, I'm playing the devil's advocate when you
said that there's no money in it, and you know, yeah,
and then you're you were talking and you know what
kind of effect would it have on the ghost research
community if science was to take a hardcore look at
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it and say, you know what, guys, you're chasing uh,
you're chasing I lost frequencies, you're chasing you know, insect lights,
you're chasing do drops, you know, and they could prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing
to these ghost images or these ghost uh sounds that
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come from e vps. That would be very detrimental to
the the ghost community. So is it possible that the
ghost community really doesn't want science involved?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Very inner point? I believe to a to a small degree.
I mean that there may be some researchers that agree
with that, right. I'm you know, our group we investigate
anything in nonmalists that where that's but it's stuff can
come in and to prove it. Then I think that's
you know, I think that's tomic put on something else.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm I'm definitely not in that vein of you know,
of not wanting to know. I would like to get
as much scientific you know, backup in the back as possible.
But you know, but do I think there is a
core the people out there that just that they don't
want to know, and then they just want to have
something to investigate. That's that's that's possible, but it's definitely
(26:09):
not not the way that we think.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Why do you why do you think so many people
in the year twenty sixteen are so interested in the
power normaland those who have died so long ago.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, I think that the television shows really helped that
ghost Hunters, I guess, adventures, and I think that's really
you got the the interestuff. But I think that it's
just sadly, I think that a lot of people are
losing faith, you know, and and they're reaching for anything
that they can. And I think that the world, you knows,
(26:49):
this is one of the darker times in our history.
I mean, you know, I have you know, there's our
group where we're strictly Christian, but I know that the
even even if you're not, if if you look at
the facts, you know that there's a lot of things
in the Bible that that look like they're coming true.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And I think that that people are trying to to,
you know, reconnect with that spirituality. And you know that
some people you know who want to investigate, you know,
his historical you know things that or or or they
want to get in touch with the people that they've lost.
You know, a lot of people have been you know,
(27:27):
back back in the day, a lot of people were
using in Ouiji boards, you know, back in the early
nineteen hundreds, you know, spiritualism and and and I think
that that kind of goes long. You know, I think
everybody you know wants to know the answer, you know,
is their life that fath I think that that that
is a huge end and maybe not being any more
than more than it was one hundred years ago, but
(27:49):
there's you know, there's a possibility that maybe now some
of the scientific enhancements that we have going it could
actually be opening the doors a little bit more at
leasting it over the last fifty years.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, you mentioned the TV shows, but everyone knows
that these TV shows are anything but reality. Like they're
they're not supposed to be scripted. They are the the
they're the post production that is put into them. They
take six, seven, eight days cram it into twenty two
minutes for a half hour show. So why do people
(28:25):
put so much faith in what they see on TV?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's a very good question. I believe that it's unfortunate.
But you know this, you know, this does not happen
on command and these are TV shows. Whenever we watch them,
you know, we look at it and we say, you know,
I hope it's real, but you know, it's you know,
sometimes it really expike. Sometimes you have to just you know,
(28:51):
go on. But something that you know, from what our
group is doing, it is truly you know, some stuff
that they're getting, this stuff that we've got, you know,
and you know, I don't know if they're faking it
or not, but I mean it's really you know, I
don't see how you know, everybody can totally doubt you know,
what they're catching sometimes, especially I know ghost Hunters has
(29:11):
been ten of the scrutiny. And then maybe they're faking stuff,
and maybe they're not. But a lot of times the
stuff that they present is stuff that that we get,
more impressive stuff than on a weekly basis than the
stuff that they've been filling. So I hope they're not
doing it, but I know that there's a lot of
speculation on in and had about you know that a
lot of them are faking it and stuff. And I
(29:32):
mean that one comes to ghost adventures. I have some
inside information that the Zach Fagin's is really really hardcore
on this and and you know, I know he acts
kind of theatrical on his episodes, but I mean it's
from from what I've heard, he's really into this and
he's really trying to gather get evidence. And but but
(29:53):
that being said, I mean, you know it could absolutely
be faked too. I don't know, I'm not in the
production meetings or anything, but you know, but yeah, yeah,
ghost television show. You have to watch all of it
with a grain of salt and don't take anything for
at face value.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
So tell me, does ghost hunting and paranormal research go
against the Bible?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
No? No, I believe as Christians we truly know where
we're going. And when Christians are curious.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay, so being a Christian know where you're going, why
do you have the need to do the investigation if
you already have the answer.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, we we want to know what this is. I mean,
you know it is this, you know, just a recording
in the environment or we don't know I mean, is
this Could this be demons? Absolutely? Could this be something
that's something in the environment that we do not know
what it is? It may be it may be another intelligence.
(30:55):
I mean, it may be something trying to masquerade is
as you're you know, long lost at or something.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Could it be our very own desires and our thought
transference that are creating these illusions.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Absolutely, I mean everybody, this could be created by the
human mind. I mean that you know, it could be
some mechanism that we do not understand yet. I mean,
that's that's very possible. And that's one reason why we
kind of documents. That's because you know, we want to
try to come up with with good, good solid science
behind this. We don't want to say that they you
(31:28):
know that that there's something walking across the court or
there's the gusts of that person.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
But you just said you want to come up with
good solid science. And if nothing you're doing is being
accepted by the scientific community, how can you come up
with anything that'll be looked at through serious glasses.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well on on that end of it our group, but
we are not trying to give me any anybody. Really,
all we're doing, we're trying to finances for ourselves, document
are chwards for our bio. You know, we're just trying
to you know, find our own answers and you know,
you know, and then our holy grill is is we
want you as a group and individually also we would
(32:11):
just love to see the full show, you know what.
We would love to see the ghost. We would love
to see it, you know, walk in front of us
and you know, try to have that interaction. But there's
no way to prove anything to anybody. I mean what
we could have the best evidence in the world and
we could present it on seeing n at at six
pm on next Sunday night, but then you know, you
may get a few people that believe it that don't.
(32:33):
Most people will just you know, just you know, push
it away and you can you know, so mainly it's
it's for us, but we like to help people and
we just want to you know, we look at scientifically
because you know, feelings can't be proven. You know, if
we can say that, hey, I saw ghosts and I
took a picture and there's this mist here. I saw
(32:55):
a Civil War soldier, but then I saw I saw
this black man us, you know, you know that's what
I mean, or or the camera picked up a black mass,
So it's you know it, you know, it's it's it's
gonna be a long process of people, you know, getting
you know, more and more you know, resulting and more
(33:18):
and more ideas that everybody's out there thinking, and then
you know, the more we do, and then maybe somebody
will be able to invent that that you know, silver bullet,
that that can that can detect these things on command,
and then you know, you know, I think that on
some of the recent episodes of Ghost Adventures, Bill Chappell
has uh has invented that that the connect cam and
(33:41):
and the software that looks like it's actually picking these
things up. You know, I hope that that's really doing that.
If it is, I think that's amazing, then that could
be the next step into you know, scientific acceptance of
what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
But if this has been invented and it is real,
why hasn't the mainstream media picked up on it? Why
is it only on the specialty channels that that target
this audience, Like something doesn't make sense in this whole scenario.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
For me, it's a very good point I cannot deny that.
The only way to know is if you get something
you know that's that's so in your face that you
can actually, you know, say hey, I've got a special camera.
You put it in this mode and you take a picture. Yeah,
(34:30):
you know, and and appreciation, you know, if you know,
if a psychic said, hey, there's twenty ghosts in this room,
and you take the camera, you take a picture of Hey,
but there's twenty ghosts, you know that, then then you
can you can, you know, submit that to the scientific
community and say, hey, this is replicatable. You know, we
can we can do this on command. And then at
(34:50):
that point then then maybe they'll look at it and
hopefully you know, but but right now there's definitely enough
to put that into existence.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So where do you where do you see ghost research
or paranormal research. Let's say, five ten years from.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Now, I say, unless something changes, it's gonna be kind
of about what it is now. I mean, I don't
you know, you know, that's like I said that the
Bill Chapel inventions and basically it's just you know a
lot of people out there that they're thinking like our group,
and there's a lot of great groups out there and
we're just thinking of you know, you know, kind of
(35:26):
off the wall stuff. I mean, you never know what
that golden combination is going to be. I mean, you
may just be able to, you know, put this filter
with this camera in this mode and you make it lucky,
and that might be it. But it may may take
six weeks, it may take six hundred years. You know,
it's just really you know, it happens in my lifetimes.
I definitely want to say it.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You know, there's a lot of people investigating a lot
of things these days. You have the bigfoot researchers, you
have the UFO researchers, You've got the ghost pele like yourself,
you have lake monster uh seekers, and you know, the
list goes on. And all these years, with all this
new technology, nothing new has come. Do you think that
(36:15):
this might have something to do with mainstream media as
well as the majority of the population really not or
not really not but starting to lose interest.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I guess, I guess that could be possible. I remember
the story on CNN, you know, maybe six seven years
ago about the you know that they supposedly found a
big foot and it was the guy taked it and
it's a rubber suit and a freezer and stuff. I mean,
stuff like that really hurts hurts our our endeavors and
stuff and nobody takes it seriously and stuff. I mean,
(36:51):
I think it will be for cryptis and stuff. I
have that dead body something that they can analyze. They
can see it. I mean, you can, you can think stuff.
But you know, there's photoshop, there's all kinds of ways
to you know, to really you know, in balteople do it.
But but yeah, there's there's tons of hoaxers out there,
and I'm just and people lose an interest is very possible,
(37:12):
but I really hope that, Yeah, I think there's a
core community that that that you don't matter if you
know what that's the case. I mean, world will always
going to be investigating and will be in her in
her nineties. Still don't need VP sessions and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
All right, stand by, we've got to take our final break.
Exponation Richard. Richard Leeby is our special guest that our
(37:51):
exponation Richard is with Blue Ridge Paranormal. In your opinion, Richard,
what what does it take for someone to become a
paranormal investigator?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well, first of all, you know, there's no special tools
or you don't have to buy anything. Basically, one of
the main thing is you have to be curious and
and you can you start out with you know, maybe
maybe everybody has a camera on the cell phone. You
can take some pictures. You can just you know, get
and most you know phones, you can get a borgeacle
(38:27):
wrap and if you can just record and ask questions
and then listen in no no real special that the
most important parormal tool is actually the human body. And
you know, you pick up a law more you have
to have you don't have to spend thousands of dollars
on equipment or anything. It's got to be curious and
you have to be you know, just have a genial,
you know, question of what is going on. I mean
(38:49):
that there's there's something going on I know out about
that you know what it is? I don't know. I
may never know, but I do know that that it's
fascinating and and I I feel like that we're on
the cutting edge of what we got going on there
because you know, the mainstream science is not looking at it.
And whenever you find that moment of discovery, truly amazing.
(39:10):
Knowing that that you're first people to or at least
maybe not the first people that maybe the you know,
the lower percentile of the world that they have seen
heard this stuff. And you know, it's there if people
just look for it.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
But you know, with over sixteen thousand, sixteen thousand groups
in the United States alone that go out looking for
ghosts and spirits to try and prove it, I don't
understand why it hasn't been found.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
If it's there, I agree, I mean, is it is truly? Yeah,
it's leading. I mean, you know that my brother has
been investigating since the the mid nineteen eighties, and he'll
absolutely tell me that that's very, very rare for him
to find any I mean, it's just usually you know,
(40:00):
but whenever he does find something, you know, he really
treasures it because for something, you know, he he he's
very scientifically minded and uh and for sure we believe
that that's possible an entrance if you're a total skeptic
that you know, these things seem to kind of shy
away from, you know, hard skeptics, and Randy's not a
(40:20):
hardened skeptic, but but he is very very very you know, methodical,
and he's a police officer and he only wants documentable
facts and uh and we we are more like free thinkers,
you know. Sometimes we go into investigation and we start
acting like, you know, like the events are happening around us,
and that technique does seem to get a lot of
(40:42):
more attention than going and please speak to this recorder.
My name is mister Smith. I need to know what
you are, who you are. You know, you usually have
to be kind of more of a more of a
open minded and more you know, open to whatever happens.
You know, you know, if if you're just totally to
cut and draw on sometimes of that go away from
(41:04):
what you're going to do.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Richard, I want to thank you so much for joining
us tonight. Great pleasure talking to Please get my very
best of Randy.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Okay, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You take care now on X Nation. If you'd like
to find out more about Richard Liebeck or the Blue
Ridge Paranormal, visit their website at www dot blue Ridge
Paranormal dot com. Well that's it for tonight x Oonation.
I'll be back tomorrow night as once again we cross
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(41:33):
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