November 29, 2025 • 39 mins
Theatre of the MIND presents a tremendous collection of truly fascinating, yet totally unrehearsed, performances by volunteer audience members under the guidance of Robert LAMAR. These volunteers become the stars of this expertly produced presentation that should not be confused with what many would consider traditional hypnosis. Throughout Theatre of the MIND, LAMAR invites his audience into a world where he encourages volunteers to enter a highly focused state of attention. Perhaps, for the first time in their lives, participants let their hidden creative personalities leap to their full potential as LAMAR masterfully taps into their unexplored creativity. Volunteers may assume the persona of popular icons like Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Shania Twain or President George W. Bush. All of these pseudo stars may share the stage with another volunteer preoccupied with capturing a six foot grasshopper in one of many hilarious scenes. The performances of the audience volunteers are completely unrehearsed. In fact, as Theatre of the MIND unfolds, it is very difficult to believe the participants are simply audience members. Because of this, each performance of Theatre of the MIND is totally unique. Every show is a one of a kind experience. In addition, a technically clever combination of music, lighting and special effects combine to create a modern show that appeals to today's audiences. Theatre of the MIND is an original and a professional family show. Volunteers are not embarrassed or humiliated in any way, and all in attendance benefit from LAMAR's two decades of study and experience in this specialized art. This is certainly one of Canada's most consistently acclaimed hypnotic attractions. Audiences are certain to be amazed whenever they enter Theatre of the MIND.
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My guest, This hour is Robert Lamar, and Robert has
been a full time entertainer since nineteen ninety one. He
initially specialized in con in the conjuring arts, turning his
focus in nineteen ninety six to what he likes to
call psychological illusionary that is, mentalism, hypnotism, and memory training.
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During the same year, Robert created a theatrical presentation of
stage hypnotism that he called Theater of the Mind, a
theatrical concert that he still presents to this very day exhonation.
Always having an interest in things of a paranormal, parapsychological
and pseudoscientific nature are both from a skeptical and critical
(02:17):
thinking standpoint, Robert decided to channel his interest last year
into the project he calls Skeptrics. Through a series of
lectures and a website. Skeptrics teaches people how to develop
or enhance their critical thinking skills by learning how to
think like a conjuror His websites www dot Robert Lamar
(02:42):
dot ca and www Dot skep tricks dot com That's
s k e p t ri i cks dot com.
Joining us from Halifax, Nova Scotia is Robert Lamar. Robert
Welcome Back, to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's aulays great talking to you. Robert. Tell me, how
did you develop an interest in the conjuring arts.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Well, probably, like most magicians, started at a very young age.
I was around five when a friend's father made a
dying disappear and he.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Later found it behind my ear.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Now I found out later.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
That he was not a magician, and it was probably
a very stupid, simple trick that he performed, but the
bottom line was that it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Fooled me and it really captured my attention.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And just as things happened at the time, they were
advertising on television later that year a TV magic kit
put out by a magician from Illinois by the name
of Marshall gro Dean. Oh yeah, And I happened to
receive one of those kits for Christmas, probably like tens
of thousands of other youths throughout North America. Mine, however,
didn't end up under the bed or in my closet.
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I actually became quite entranced with it, learned a couple
of the tricks, and just kind of developed from.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
There and the rest is, as they say history. As
they say, yes, Robert, you and I have to take
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programming Anywhere twenty four seven, three sixty five. Robert Lamar
is my special guest this our exonation and Robert, besides
an interest in magic and the conjuring arts, how did
you develop your interest and your love for hypnotism?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
When I was twelve, I was invited by our neighbor
to attend a concert that was put on by Peter Ravine,
who was a very famous Australian hypnotist that used to
tour Canada, and he toured Canada very successfully for thirty
five years prior to retiring.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
And I was just captivated.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I was just amazed at what I saw.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I didn't know anything about hypnotism at the time,
and I was only twelve, but I was just so
entranced by Ravine himself and his persona.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
On stage and just the whole show.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
And what I did the next day was I went into.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
The school library and they happened to have one book
on hypnosis, and I took it out and I attempted
to read it, but I just couldn't wrap my head
around a lot of the concepts. So my interest kind
of faded, and it was several years later when we
moved to my present location here in Halifax, Nova Scotia,
that I had the chance to see Ravine again and
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that rekindled my interest in hypnotism. And at my high school,
they happened to have two books on hypnosis, of which
by that point in time to understand what was being said.
And I started experimenting on my friends in the basement
of my parents' home, and that's kind of where it started.
And I used to put on shows when I was
in grade eleven and twelve. I used to put on
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shows in the av room after school. We were allowed
to go in there for about an hour and typically
be anywhere from about twenty to thirty students that would
come in.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
And after about an hour.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
The janitor would come in and kick us out because
you'd have to clean the place. And I said, I
did that throughout grade eleven and twelve, probably two to
three times a week, and it continued a little bit
into a university as well.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
All Right, so here we've got ye're totally involved in
conjuring and magic, You're totally involved in hypnosis. Where does
the love for the paranormal come from, or the interest
in the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Well, I think like most people, especially when you're younger,
you tend to be fascinated by the whole subject matter,
either it's ghosts or UFOs or Bigfoot. I mean, I
still have a number of books that I received when
I was a youth and I had purchased through the
scholastic program in school, but had to do with had
to deal with, uh, you know, monsters in UFOs, et cetera,
(08:15):
in the Bermuda triangle.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Right, and.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
My chur as far as becoming skeptical of that stuff
was was aided by a fellow Canadian vondurer by the
name of James Randy, which I'm sure most people with
the amazing Randy.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
And of course Randy is a is a.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Skeptic and very much of a critical thinker when it
comes to things of the paranormal nature.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
So that's that's where it started.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
And picked up a couple of James Randy's.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Books and kind of followed his lead. And of course
James Randy picked up where Harry Houdini left off.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Was Houdini really was.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
The first magician that that became I guess what you
would call an active skeptic when it came to things
of a paranormal nature.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Speaking about the paranormal, rob have you ever experienced anything
of a paranormal, parapsychological, or pseudoscientific nature.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I being very honest when I say, unfortunately, no, I
would love to. There's there's nothing more I would love
to experience than whether it be seeing a ghost or
some type of cryptozoological animal, seeing an unidentified flying object.
I'd love to have the experience. But I've done quite
(09:26):
a bit of investigative work just on my own, just
as a as a hobby, and I've talked with a
lot of people that have apparently witnessed such things, but
I myself have not had that experience. I'm open to
the possibility that that some of these things exist, but
to date, I have not seen anything that that would
convince me yet.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
All right, then let me ask you this, Robert, why
do you think so many people believe or want to
believe in the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I think I think generally people are looking for something
kind of outside of this world. I mean, when when
you start asking the big questions, you.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Know, why are we here?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
How did we get here?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
That really delves you into the mysterious, and I think
it's very easy to fall into and I'm using this
word loosely, you know, the trap of being lowered by
by the paranormal, because there is so much about this
world and this universe.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
That we do not know.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
But I think what happens sometimes is that people that
claim to have abilities, or who have seen things or
have apparently witnessed things, it's very easy to actually fool yourself.
Our minds are complex machines and they can be fooled
very very easily. And that's not to say that a
person who is fooled is you know, stupid or dumb,
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or they're not smart or they're not intelligent.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
That's not the case at all.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
It's just we all have the ability of being fool
to being taken in, of being tricked, whether it's take
an optical illusion for example.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
You know when you look at when you look at
something that's an optical.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Illusion, it certainly appears real, but it's not. Now people
tend not to believe optical illusions because they're presented as such.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
It is an optical illusion.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
But put yourself in a situation, for example, you're out
in the desert and you see an oasis. That's a
form of optical illusion. But when you're in that setting,
it can seem very very real.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And yet people will take the the optical illusion in
the desert realize that it is only an optical illusion
except a scientific explanation for it. But when it comes
to the paranormal, oh no, it's real exactly.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
I think one of the biggest examples is you have.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
People, I think a lot of people have experienced something
like this where, for example, they have a dream, one
they have very vivid dream, let's say of a horrific accident.
Let's say a plane crash, right, and they wake up
the next day, and perhaps it's the following day or
maybe a couple of days later, there there's a plane
crash that's reported that is very very similar to what
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they had dreamed. Now that can that can have a
very powerful experience on a person and make them think
that they perhaps have some type of psychic ability where
they're able.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
To see things that are going to happen in the future.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Now, if you want to test something like that scientifically,
what you would have to do is you would have
to record every single dream that you have over a
period of time, and how many of those dreams actually
come true. So you know, you might you might have
a thousand dreams, nine hundred and ninety don't come true,
ten comes true.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well, is that just the odds of something.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Happening that just coincidence, or is that something that's the
paranormal nature? Well, I think you know what, once, once
you approach it that way, I think it kind of.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Takes this whole concept.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Of having having premonitions and it kind of knocks it
down a few pigs.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
What do you think about those people who who believe
that they have the ability to tell the future or
to communicate with those who have passed to the other side, right, psychics, mediums, channelers.
What's your take?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Well, I think there's two different two different types of
people within those groups. One type I get very very
angry over the other I don't. The vast majority of
people I think are just and I don't mean this
in the derogatory sense, but I think it's just a
case of being self deluded. As we've talked about here
just a moment about about having dreams, that the dreams,
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people can have things that happen that apparently seem to
be real. It seems like that they do possess some
power and they truly believe it.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
But when it's.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Analyzed, you know, they would be analyzed scientifically, it's just
not the case. However, there is a small segment of
people that call themselves psychics that are simply.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The scam artists. They're frauds, and those people really upset
me because.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
They're praying on the innocent.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
They're preying on people that might be emotionally distraught. You know,
you take some of the big psychics and people that
talk to the dead that are in the marketplace today,
everybody from Sylvia Brown's or James Bond Prau, I don't
know how they live with themselves, especially how.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
They do it, especially when they charge so much money to.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Well, Sylvia Brown's seven times and fifty dollars per twenty
minute reading.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I know, it's ridiculous. And you know what here in Canada,
Here in Canada, telling fortunes for a consideration which is
money or property is against the lots in the Criminal
Code of Canada.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well, I was shocked that we had an incident that happened.
Actually it was just down the street from where I
live at the elementary school that my kids went to
just three four years ago. A good friend of powers
and a school teacher. She was actually my daughter's teacher
in grade three.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Her body was found.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
In the trunk of her car at the school yard
on December twenty eighth of two thousand and five, and
the case is still not solved.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
And I've known.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Her sisters for a number of years. I about three months.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
After the fact, once you know, things kind of settled
down a bit, I was on the telephone with one
of the sisters and we were talking for it was
close to three hours. And she had informed me at
the time that she had been contacted by a number
of psychics that wanted to help for a fee.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
To solve the crime, for a fee, for a fee
to solve the crime.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So anyways, I had a number of contacts that are
quote unquote psychic, so I didn't want her to pursue,
you know, waste her money on that. So what I
did was I contacted there was a lady that I
don't know really well, but I knew of that was
in the state of Washington, and somebody else that was
over in US Slovenia.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And all I gave them was the.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Very basics of the case.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
And both came back with two completely different outcomes.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know what really ticks me off is we had
a psychic on the show, and you know his name
is Robbie Thomas. He came on the show and he
told us that he was working on a missing girl
that was in Woodstock, Ontario, going back a couple of years,
that she was going to be found alive, and well
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she was found dead.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, I'm with that case. It's terrible.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I don't know how somebody like him, how he can
live with himself.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Neither do I. But do you know what you and
I have to take our break. Please stand by Robert
great having a with us here in the X zone,
X our nation. Robert Lamar is his name www dot
Robert Lamar dot C A, R O B E R
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in all fairness, Rob, you know, we were talking about
(19:03):
the dark side of some psychics, and yet there's there
are psychics like Annette Martin, who we've had on the
show a number of times. She has been used by
the FBI. She has been used by different city and
state law enforcement agencies that without her help, arrests and
convictions would not have been done. How do we explain that?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, See, the first thing I would do is I
would actually like to contact specifically those law enforcement agencies
and talk with the officers themselves see exactly what, if
any help was provided by the psychic, because when that
has been done in a lot of cases, the stories
(19:50):
just don't mess well.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Was even she was the very first psychic to be
sworn in as a psychic in a court case, a
criminal court case. Her testimony was used by the prosecution
in the case.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Right, I'd have to I won't comment on her specifically because.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I just don't know anything about her.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But I know I know Sylvia Brown, I know Robbie Thomas,
and the list goes on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
To me, I asked the same question, how can you
live with yourself? How can you actually go on tour
and and try and suck other people in number one
to paying to see you number two to sit down
and get readings from me? I don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Well.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
When when I watched James Don prom or John Edwards.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I mean it just it just makes me cringe.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
How they could They are the.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Worst cold readers.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And that's that's basically a technique that magicians use, that
mentalists have used.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
For for well over.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
One hundred years to perform quote unquote tricks, tricks where
they can apparently tap into the thoughts of individuals.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But it's a trick.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
These individuals are using those same techniques, but in in
a very poor, pathetic way. But yet they are bilking
people left, right and center, and people believe.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
What they have to say.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, wasn't that somebody like, I'm sorry, wasn't wasn't John
Edwards exposed by ABC News a number of years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
We're still going strong.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, I don't understand it, Robert, I really don't understand.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
People want to believe. It's like it's like trying to
sink to Robert Duck. He might get it underwater for
a minute, but it's it's going to pop right back
up again. The classic example is televangelist Peter Popats.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Oh my lord, there's a good one.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He's still on the air today.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
In fact, it was just two years ago he brought
in more money in one year than what he brought
in the year that he was he.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Was exposed and he had to shut his ministry down.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, didn't the same thing happen to Jimmy and Tammy
Baker that you know, they had their you know, he
had his little uh affair or and you know the
mystery was shut down, it came back stronger. Look at
what's the other guy I'm thinking of? Gimme swagger the
same thing.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, in their cases, though they were not claiming that
they were healing people, you still might you still might
look at them and you might, you know, look at
them as being a bit despicable. But unlike Peter Popoff,
Peter pop Off was making claims that God was talking
directly to him, that he was that God was giving
him information about the people that were attending his revival meetings.
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That there's no way that Peter could know unless God
actually gave him the information and.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
He was quote unquote healing people.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
You know, James Randy had exposed him completely how he
was doing it. You know, he had a he had
a small ear piece that the mentalist suntimes used in
his ear and his wife was transmitting.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
To him in un et Wi'll attract.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
The trailer in behind the auditoriums all the pertinent information.
How'd they get that information? Well, they get the information
as people were coming in to the into the forum, just.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
By mingling and talking with you.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Oh hi, how are you? What's your name?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Oh? Where are you from?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Around here? You know? What are you here for?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know I was here?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
If you know Peter Popfa's a great guy. I had
a sore knee back a couple of years ago and
he healed it. And people will just give.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Up information and all this information is recorded, and that
information was.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Then fed to Peter.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
So it made it look like that, you know, God
was giving him all this information.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Do you think it was fully exposed? On Johnny Carrison's
The Right Show.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Do you thinks do you think that that that the
fact that these people go and they come back and
as you said, they're stronger when they come back. Is
that a flaw in society or is that a flaw
in our judicial system?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think people just they really want to believe so badly,
and also there's a big flaw in the judicial system.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I mean, these these people are scanning people. They are
seriously harming people. I mean, I can tell you stories
about Benny Hinn, who is probably the biggest in the
world today and some of the things that he does.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
All Right, you've got you've got my interest here, so
so you just can't lead me up the hill halfway
and say come on, let's go back to It.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Has been recorded that what they what they do, and
this is fairly common with H with most of these
states healers, but it's a it's a very egregious practice
with UH. With Benny Hinn, when he calls people forward
that want to be healed, he has screeners prior to
people getting up to the stage and they question people.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
And when you see.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
A parent and and this has been recorded, when you
see UH parents holding a child that has say cerebral
policy or.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
You know, some.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Severe ailment, and you can tell the parents are just
I mean, they've lost all hope. Yeah, and they believe,
they truly believe that this is their one last hope
that that Benny hen or any of these other faith
healers can actually heal their son and make their son
quote unquote normal, make them healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
M hmm.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
And when they can't even get past the screeners. The
screeners will not allow them to step on the stage.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Why is that, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because they know that Benny Inn cannot cure their son.
You will never see somebody that has that has a
serious ailment up on the stage to be healed.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah. You know, like I've had intuitive healers on the
show who have made all these claims that they've you know,
they can cure cancer, they can do this, they can
do that. And I asked them point blank, well why
don't you go into hospitals and cure people?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's it's that to me, that would be a very
shy of proving yourself.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It all comes down to scien Like I said that,
there are some people that call themselves healers that really believe.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
That they that they have some power.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And those are just people I say that they're just
unfortunately there's a self deluded and again I don't mean
that in a negative sense, but they've just kind of
convinced themselves.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
That they have the ability.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
But it's the people that are just outright frauds that
know they're defrauding people. I mean, you look at the
lifestyle that Benny hin lives. I mean, he is a
multi multi millionaire, and how many people has he actually healed?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But wait a sec We can say the same thing
about the Vatican.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, yeah, don't even get me started there.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We can talk about each and every established religion and philosophy.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Oh no, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
And the thing is, and nowadays science is such a
bad word, and I find it very ironic because people
love their cell phones, people love their televisions, people love
their microwave ovens, people love their air conditioning. They love
everything that science has to give them, except when it
when it.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Looks at some of their deep felt beliefs.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Well that's because that's for.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Any of these for any of these faith healers, it
would be very easy to set up a repeatable scientific
experiment to see whether or not they actually possess the
powers they possess. But why won't these people be tested?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Because they don't assess, because they don't possess the powers
that they claim they do.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Exactly, I mean, you know just what you said about
going to a hospital. Yeah, if they have that ability,
then why wouldn't you do that? And I get very
I get very angry and very upset with again, I'm
talking with the people that know that they're frauds.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
All right, now, let's let's that's just I want to
ask you this question because I think it fits into
the same category. Whenever you talk to people about hypnosis,
they get excited about past life regression. Yes, what is that?
And is it real or is it the person's very
own inner imagination that's at work.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's not real at all. I mean,
there's so much that can go on with the depending
on how the hypnotists, the way that suggestions are given,
the way the suggestions are worded. I mean, hypnosis used
to be used in a court of law to hypnotize
witnesses and have them testify in the court to kind
of relive the crime scene.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah, and that's not allowed anymore.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
That's against the law because what they have found out
scientifically is that there's no way of telling what a
person is saying and a hypnosis whether or not it's
any more true than if they're not in a state
of hypnosis. So this past lies therapy stuff, I mean,
it all started with the case back in it was
in the forties and fifties, the Bridie Murphy case and
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you know, people bought into it. I mean, it's very attractive,
but it's just amazing how many of these cases, when
when you read into them, how many people when they're
when they're taken back into quote unquote previous lives have
all been somebody famous, somebody of importance. And you know,
you might think, well, it's all just in fine, and
how can you really be harmed by this?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, I have the documented case of a woman down
in the States.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
She was in her forties when she was having some
deep psychological problems, some serious problems. And what she ended
up doing, rather than going to her family doctor, she
went to some past life therapists and they took her
back into her previous lives and what they discovered was back.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I don't know how many, it was many.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Many lives previous.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
She had been a slave owner, and she had a
lot of young boys that were slaves, and she had
physically and sexually.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Abused these boys.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Now in today's life, the reason why she was having
psychological problems was because when she was younger, when she
was a young girl, she was physically and sexually abused
by her father, and she had repressed a lot of
those memories she didn't seek help at that time, right,
So it was all starting to come out now when
she was in her forties. So what happened was this
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therapist and I'll put the word therapist in quotes, in
discovering that she used to have slaves, slaves that she
physically and sexually abused. It just so happened that one
of those slaves that she abused was her father in
today's life. So because she had abused her father in
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a previous life, her father was paying her.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Back for what she did to him. Oh brother, now
you tell me that's healthy. Uh no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
But what about these you know Bud Hopkins for example,
he he's an artist turned hypnotist, and you know he
does hypnotic regression on people who claim to have been
abducted by aliens.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Once again, is this people going into that situation, they
know exactly what type of information that that's you know,
Bud is looking for. They have, they have a specific
quote unquote problem, which is they believe that they have
been abducted by aliens. So the scene basically is the
preset and when a person is and I hate using
(31:43):
the word hypnosis because it's just not what most people
think it is, but there's we don't have another term.
But when a person is in that state of hypnosis,
they're not in a deep sleep. They are not in
a trans state. It's been shown that the trans state
does not exist. Rather, a person is more away than anything.
And when you're relaxed, your imagination can actually run wild
(32:05):
and run free, and especially if your imagination is urged
on by the questions that the hypnotist is giving you,
it can create quite an interesting scenario.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
But it doesn't mean it's real.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
So what happens physiologically when someone is hypnotized.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Nobody can agree on a natural definition.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
I mean, it has been approved by the American Medical.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Association as a modality, a healing modality, But as far
as it's effectiveness, you know, it can help minimally with
some people. But the way I like to describe it
is that the state of hypnolysis is simply it's a
highly focused state of attention. And the best way to
(32:54):
describe it or illustrate it would be take two people
that are sitting on a park bench on a busy street,
and they both have books, and you'll have one person
to'll open up their book, and they'll read the first
line and then a police car zooms by.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
So what do they do is they look up.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
And they find out what's going on. Then they go
back to the book.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
They have to reread that first line, and they hear
a baby crying somewhere, and then there's a dog barking,
and they're continuously distract In other words, they're having a
hard time focusing on the book, whereas the other person
sitting on that same park bench under those same circumstances,
it's almost like they're in the privacy of their own
home that they're totally engrossed in their book. Now, the
(33:33):
question is does that person hear the police car, hear
the baby crying, hear the dog barking. Well, of course
they do. You can't stop your hearing. But why aren't
they responding to it. Well, because it's not important to them.
What they're doing is they're focusing all their attention as
best as they can on their task at hand, which
is they want to read the book.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
They want to absorb it in the blood.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
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Speaker 4 (35:17):
Robert.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
If hypnosis really doesn't work, why are there hypnotherapists and
why do people go to them for everything from personality
disorders to quitting smoking, eating disorders and other psychological problems.
What's really happening, then, is it the person's own willpower
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that is making them stop, and I don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
It's it's just I mean, it's not that it doesn't work,
it's just it doesn't work the way most people believe
that it works. You know, the old stereotypical springing up
pocket water in a person's eyes, and that.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Become in what I like to.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Call the Hollywood transtate. All it is is just trying
to get people to react to suggestion.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
For example, when.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
You go to attend a movie, if you want to
really experience the movie, you have to suspend your disbelief.
And if you do that, when there's a scary scene,
what happens You get goosebumps on your skin and you
get a little scary, your heart starts beating.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Or when somebody scary happens happens you jump in your seat.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Now, if you analyze what's going on, you realize it's
not real. It's just actors. It's the scene, it's the
music that's playing, it's the lighting, it's the special effects
that create an atmosphere that make it seem real, and
you're buying into it at that time. Well, it's the
same thing with hypnosis, is you're just buying into the
concept of relaxing and listening.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
To the suggestions of the hypnotist.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
The person is in full control, however, and that's why,
for example, hypnosis has been used in childbirth quite a bit.
Now I've never given burst myself personally.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
I don't know what it's like, but by talking with my.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Wife it's quite painful, yes, and hypnosis can help some
individuals to ease the pain. And all they're doing is
through the guidance of the hypnotist, is to direct their
attention not at the pain that's taking place, but try
to focus all their attention elsewhere. For example, you know,
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imagining that there's there they're laying on a beach in
Jamaica and literally like feeling the sun beating down and
the sand between.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Your toes and your body, and so it's of attention.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Now they'll still feel the pain, but it will not
be as intense. If a person is able to redirect
their focus, that's all it is. They're in full control.
The hypnotist has no power, no control over the person whatsoever.
And when I when I hear a lot of hypnotists,
especially use the term the trans state, I just cringe
(37:57):
because there's been no scientific proof that the trand state
actually exists.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Is that why most people look at hypnosis as a
pseudo effect?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Some people do, definitely, and I don't blame them. You know,
you should look at everything skeptically. You should question everything.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Hey, Robert, we've just run out of time. Hate to
do this to you, buddy. We'll have you back on
in the near future to talk more about this fascinating topic.
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Congratulations on Theater of the Mind and all the other
great things that you're up to, and take care of
yourself in beautiful Halifax, Nova, Scotia.
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Well, thank you very much, do a great job. I
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During the same year, Robert created a theatrical presentation of
stage hypnotism that he called Theater of the Mind, a
theatrical concert that he still presents to this very day exhonation.
Always having an interest in things of a paranormal, parapsychological
and pseudoscientific nature are both from a skeptical and critical
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or enhance their critical thinking skills by learning how to
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Joining us from Halifax, Nova Scotia is Robert Lamar. Robert
Welcome Back, to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's aulays great talking to you. Robert. Tell me, how
did you develop an interest in the conjuring arts.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Well, probably, like most magicians, started at a very young age.
I was around five when a friend's father made a
dying disappear and he.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Later found it behind my ear.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Now I found out later.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
That he was not a magician, and it was probably
a very stupid, simple trick that he performed, but the
bottom line was that it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Fooled me and it really captured my attention.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And just as things happened at the time, they were
advertising on television later that year a TV magic kit
put out by a magician from Illinois by the name
of Marshall gro Dean. Oh yeah, And I happened to
receive one of those kits for Christmas, probably like tens
of thousands of other youths throughout North America. Mine, however,
didn't end up under the bed or in my closet.
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I actually became quite entranced with it, learned a couple
of the tricks, and just kind of developed from.
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is my special guest this our exonation and Robert, besides
an interest in magic and the conjuring arts, how did
you develop your interest and your love for hypnotism?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
When I was twelve, I was invited by our neighbor
to attend a concert that was put on by Peter Ravine,
who was a very famous Australian hypnotist that used to
tour Canada, and he toured Canada very successfully for thirty
five years prior to retiring.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
And I was just captivated.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I was just amazed at what I saw.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I didn't know anything about hypnotism at the time,
and I was only twelve, but I was just so
entranced by Ravine himself and his persona.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
On stage and just the whole show.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
And what I did the next day was I went into.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
The school library and they happened to have one book
on hypnosis, and I took it out and I attempted
to read it, but I just couldn't wrap my head
around a lot of the concepts. So my interest kind
of faded, and it was several years later when we
moved to my present location here in Halifax, Nova Scotia,
that I had the chance to see Ravine again and
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that rekindled my interest in hypnotism. And at my high school,
they happened to have two books on hypnosis, of which
by that point in time to understand what was being said.
And I started experimenting on my friends in the basement
of my parents' home, and that's kind of where it started.
And I used to put on shows when I was
in grade eleven and twelve. I used to put on
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shows in the av room after school. We were allowed
to go in there for about an hour and typically
be anywhere from about twenty to thirty students that would
come in.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
And after about an hour.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
The janitor would come in and kick us out because
you'd have to clean the place. And I said, I
did that throughout grade eleven and twelve, probably two to
three times a week, and it continued a little bit
into a university as well.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
All Right, so here we've got ye're totally involved in
conjuring and magic, You're totally involved in hypnosis. Where does
the love for the paranormal come from, or the interest
in the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Well, I think like most people, especially when you're younger,
you tend to be fascinated by the whole subject matter,
either it's ghosts or UFOs or Bigfoot. I mean, I
still have a number of books that I received when
I was a youth and I had purchased through the
scholastic program in school, but had to do with had
to deal with, uh, you know, monsters in UFOs, et cetera,
(08:15):
in the Bermuda triangle.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Right, and.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
My chur as far as becoming skeptical of that stuff
was was aided by a fellow Canadian vondurer by the
name of James Randy, which I'm sure most people with
the amazing Randy.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
And of course Randy is a is a.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Skeptic and very much of a critical thinker when it
comes to things of the paranormal nature.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
So that's that's where it started.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
And picked up a couple of James Randy's.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Books and kind of followed his lead. And of course
James Randy picked up where Harry Houdini left off.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Was Houdini really was.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
The first magician that that became I guess what you
would call an active skeptic when it came to things
of a paranormal nature.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Speaking about the paranormal, rob have you ever experienced anything
of a paranormal, parapsychological, or pseudoscientific nature.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I being very honest when I say, unfortunately, no, I
would love to. There's there's nothing more I would love
to experience than whether it be seeing a ghost or
some type of cryptozoological animal, seeing an unidentified flying object.
I'd love to have the experience. But I've done quite
(09:26):
a bit of investigative work just on my own, just
as a as a hobby, and I've talked with a
lot of people that have apparently witnessed such things, but
I myself have not had that experience. I'm open to
the possibility that that some of these things exist, but
to date, I have not seen anything that that would
convince me yet.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
All right, then let me ask you this, Robert, why
do you think so many people believe or want to
believe in the paranormal.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I think I think generally people are looking for something
kind of outside of this world. I mean, when when
you start asking the big questions, you.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Know, why are we here?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
How did we get here?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
That really delves you into the mysterious, and I think
it's very easy to fall into and I'm using this
word loosely, you know, the trap of being lowered by
by the paranormal, because there is so much about this
world and this universe.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
That we do not know.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
But I think what happens sometimes is that people that
claim to have abilities, or who have seen things or
have apparently witnessed things, it's very easy to actually fool yourself.
Our minds are complex machines and they can be fooled
very very easily. And that's not to say that a
person who is fooled is you know, stupid or dumb,
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or they're not smart or they're not intelligent.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
That's not the case at all.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
It's just we all have the ability of being fool
to being taken in, of being tricked, whether it's take
an optical illusion for example.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
You know when you look at when you look at
something that's an optical.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Illusion, it certainly appears real, but it's not. Now people
tend not to believe optical illusions because they're presented as such.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
It is an optical illusion.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
But put yourself in a situation, for example, you're out
in the desert and you see an oasis. That's a
form of optical illusion. But when you're in that setting,
it can seem very very real.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And yet people will take the the optical illusion in
the desert realize that it is only an optical illusion
except a scientific explanation for it. But when it comes
to the paranormal, oh no, it's real exactly.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
I think one of the biggest examples is you have.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
People, I think a lot of people have experienced something
like this where, for example, they have a dream, one
they have very vivid dream, let's say of a horrific accident.
Let's say a plane crash, right, and they wake up
the next day, and perhaps it's the following day or
maybe a couple of days later, there there's a plane
crash that's reported that is very very similar to what
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they had dreamed. Now that can that can have a
very powerful experience on a person and make them think
that they perhaps have some type of psychic ability where
they're able.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
To see things that are going to happen in the future.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Now, if you want to test something like that scientifically,
what you would have to do is you would have
to record every single dream that you have over a
period of time, and how many of those dreams actually
come true. So you know, you might you might have
a thousand dreams, nine hundred and ninety don't come true,
ten comes true.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well, is that just the odds of something.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Happening that just coincidence, or is that something that's the
paranormal nature? Well, I think you know what, once, once
you approach it that way, I think it kind of.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Takes this whole concept.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Of having having premonitions and it kind of knocks it
down a few pigs.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
What do you think about those people who who believe
that they have the ability to tell the future or
to communicate with those who have passed to the other side, right, psychics, mediums, channelers.
What's your take?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Well, I think there's two different two different types of
people within those groups. One type I get very very
angry over the other I don't. The vast majority of
people I think are just and I don't mean this
in the derogatory sense, but I think it's just a
case of being self deluded. As we've talked about here
just a moment about about having dreams, that the dreams,
(13:45):
people can have things that happen that apparently seem to
be real. It seems like that they do possess some
power and they truly believe it.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
But when it's.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Analyzed, you know, they would be analyzed scientifically, it's just
not the case. However, there is a small segment of
people that call themselves psychics that are simply.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The scam artists. They're frauds, and those people really upset
me because.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
They're praying on the innocent.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
They're preying on people that might be emotionally distraught. You know,
you take some of the big psychics and people that
talk to the dead that are in the marketplace today,
everybody from Sylvia Brown's or James Bond Prau, I don't
know how they live with themselves, especially how.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
They do it, especially when they charge so much money to.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Well, Sylvia Brown's seven times and fifty dollars per twenty
minute reading.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I know, it's ridiculous. And you know what here in Canada,
Here in Canada, telling fortunes for a consideration which is
money or property is against the lots in the Criminal
Code of Canada.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well, I was shocked that we had an incident that happened.
Actually it was just down the street from where I
live at the elementary school that my kids went to
just three four years ago. A good friend of powers
and a school teacher. She was actually my daughter's teacher
in grade three.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Her body was found.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
In the trunk of her car at the school yard
on December twenty eighth of two thousand and five, and
the case is still not solved.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
And I've known.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Her sisters for a number of years. I about three months.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
After the fact, once you know, things kind of settled
down a bit, I was on the telephone with one
of the sisters and we were talking for it was
close to three hours. And she had informed me at
the time that she had been contacted by a number
of psychics that wanted to help for a fee.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
To solve the crime, for a fee, for a fee
to solve the crime.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So anyways, I had a number of contacts that are
quote unquote psychic, so I didn't want her to pursue,
you know, waste her money on that. So what I
did was I contacted there was a lady that I
don't know really well, but I knew of that was
in the state of Washington, and somebody else that was
over in US Slovenia.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And all I gave them was the.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Very basics of the case.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
And both came back with two completely different outcomes.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know what really ticks me off is we had
a psychic on the show, and you know his name
is Robbie Thomas. He came on the show and he
told us that he was working on a missing girl
that was in Woodstock, Ontario, going back a couple of years,
that she was going to be found alive, and well
(16:47):
she was found dead.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, I'm with that case. It's terrible.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I don't know how somebody like him, how he can
live with himself.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
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in all fairness, Rob, you know, we were talking about
(19:03):
the dark side of some psychics, and yet there's there
are psychics like Annette Martin, who we've had on the
show a number of times. She has been used by
the FBI. She has been used by different city and
state law enforcement agencies that without her help, arrests and
convictions would not have been done. How do we explain that?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, See, the first thing I would do is I
would actually like to contact specifically those law enforcement agencies
and talk with the officers themselves see exactly what, if
any help was provided by the psychic, because when that
has been done in a lot of cases, the stories
(19:50):
just don't mess well.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Was even she was the very first psychic to be
sworn in as a psychic in a court case, a
criminal court case. Her testimony was used by the prosecution
in the case.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Right, I'd have to I won't comment on her specifically because.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I just don't know anything about her.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But I know I know Sylvia Brown, I know Robbie Thomas,
and the list goes on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
To me, I asked the same question, how can you
live with yourself? How can you actually go on tour
and and try and suck other people in number one
to paying to see you number two to sit down
and get readings from me? I don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Well.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
When when I watched James Don prom or John Edwards.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I mean it just it just makes me cringe.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
How they could They are the.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Worst cold readers.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And that's that's basically a technique that magicians use, that
mentalists have used.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
For for well over.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
One hundred years to perform quote unquote tricks, tricks where
they can apparently tap into the thoughts of individuals.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But it's a trick.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
These individuals are using those same techniques, but in in
a very poor, pathetic way. But yet they are bilking
people left, right and center, and people believe.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
What they have to say.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, wasn't that somebody like, I'm sorry, wasn't wasn't John
Edwards exposed by ABC News a number of years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
We're still going strong.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, I don't understand it, Robert, I really don't understand.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
People want to believe. It's like it's like trying to
sink to Robert Duck. He might get it underwater for
a minute, but it's it's going to pop right back
up again. The classic example is televangelist Peter Popats.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Oh my lord, there's a good one.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He's still on the air today.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
In fact, it was just two years ago he brought
in more money in one year than what he brought
in the year that he was he.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Was exposed and he had to shut his ministry down.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, didn't the same thing happen to Jimmy and Tammy
Baker that you know, they had their you know, he
had his little uh affair or and you know the
mystery was shut down, it came back stronger. Look at
what's the other guy I'm thinking of? Gimme swagger the
same thing.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, in their cases, though they were not claiming that
they were healing people, you still might you still might
look at them and you might, you know, look at
them as being a bit despicable. But unlike Peter Popoff,
Peter pop Off was making claims that God was talking
directly to him, that he was that God was giving
him information about the people that were attending his revival meetings.
(22:34):
That there's no way that Peter could know unless God
actually gave him the information and.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
He was quote unquote healing people.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
You know, James Randy had exposed him completely how he
was doing it. You know, he had a he had
a small ear piece that the mentalist suntimes used in
his ear and his wife was transmitting.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
To him in un et Wi'll attract.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
The trailer in behind the auditoriums all the pertinent information.
How'd they get that information? Well, they get the information
as people were coming in to the into the forum, just.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
By mingling and talking with you.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Oh hi, how are you? What's your name?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Oh? Where are you from?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Around here? You know? What are you here for?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know I was here?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
If you know Peter Popfa's a great guy. I had
a sore knee back a couple of years ago and
he healed it. And people will just give.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Up information and all this information is recorded, and that
information was.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Then fed to Peter.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
So it made it look like that, you know, God
was giving him all this information.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Do you think it was fully exposed? On Johnny Carrison's
The Right Show.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Do you thinks do you think that that that the
fact that these people go and they come back and
as you said, they're stronger when they come back. Is
that a flaw in society or is that a flaw
in our judicial system?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think people just they really want to believe so badly,
and also there's a big flaw in the judicial system.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I mean, these these people are scanning people. They are
seriously harming people. I mean, I can tell you stories
about Benny Hinn, who is probably the biggest in the
world today and some of the things that he does.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
All Right, you've got you've got my interest here, so
so you just can't lead me up the hill halfway
and say come on, let's go back to It.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Has been recorded that what they what they do, and
this is fairly common with H with most of these
states healers, but it's a it's a very egregious practice
with UH. With Benny Hinn, when he calls people forward
that want to be healed, he has screeners prior to
people getting up to the stage and they question people.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
And when you see.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
A parent and and this has been recorded, when you
see UH parents holding a child that has say cerebral
policy or.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
You know, some.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Severe ailment, and you can tell the parents are just
I mean, they've lost all hope. Yeah, and they believe,
they truly believe that this is their one last hope
that that Benny hen or any of these other faith
healers can actually heal their son and make their son
quote unquote normal, make them healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
M hmm.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
And when they can't even get past the screeners. The
screeners will not allow them to step on the stage.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Why is that, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because they know that Benny Inn cannot cure their son.
You will never see somebody that has that has a
serious ailment up on the stage to be healed.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah. You know, like I've had intuitive healers on the
show who have made all these claims that they've you know,
they can cure cancer, they can do this, they can
do that. And I asked them point blank, well why
don't you go into hospitals and cure people?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's it's that to me, that would be a very
shy of proving yourself.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It all comes down to scien Like I said that,
there are some people that call themselves healers that really believe.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
That they that they have some power.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And those are just people I say that they're just
unfortunately there's a self deluded and again I don't mean
that in a negative sense, but they've just kind of
convinced themselves.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
That they have the ability.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
But it's the people that are just outright frauds that
know they're defrauding people. I mean, you look at the
lifestyle that Benny hin lives. I mean, he is a
multi multi millionaire, and how many people has he actually healed?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But wait a sec We can say the same thing
about the Vatican.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, yeah, don't even get me started there.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We can talk about each and every established religion and philosophy.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Oh no, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
And the thing is, and nowadays science is such a
bad word, and I find it very ironic because people
love their cell phones, people love their televisions, people love
their microwave ovens, people love their air conditioning. They love
everything that science has to give them, except when it
when it.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Looks at some of their deep felt beliefs.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Well that's because that's for.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Any of these for any of these faith healers, it
would be very easy to set up a repeatable scientific
experiment to see whether or not they actually possess the
powers they possess. But why won't these people be tested?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Because they don't assess, because they don't possess the powers
that they claim they do.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Exactly, I mean, you know just what you said about
going to a hospital. Yeah, if they have that ability,
then why wouldn't you do that? And I get very
I get very angry and very upset with again, I'm
talking with the people that know that they're frauds.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
All right, now, let's let's that's just I want to
ask you this question because I think it fits into
the same category. Whenever you talk to people about hypnosis,
they get excited about past life regression. Yes, what is that?
And is it real or is it the person's very
own inner imagination that's at work.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's not real at all. I mean,
there's so much that can go on with the depending
on how the hypnotists, the way that suggestions are given,
the way the suggestions are worded. I mean, hypnosis used
to be used in a court of law to hypnotize
witnesses and have them testify in the court to kind
of relive the crime scene.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah, and that's not allowed anymore.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
That's against the law because what they have found out
scientifically is that there's no way of telling what a
person is saying and a hypnosis whether or not it's
any more true than if they're not in a state
of hypnosis. So this past lies therapy stuff, I mean,
it all started with the case back in it was
in the forties and fifties, the Bridie Murphy case and
(29:05):
you know, people bought into it. I mean, it's very attractive,
but it's just amazing how many of these cases, when
when you read into them, how many people when they're
when they're taken back into quote unquote previous lives have
all been somebody famous, somebody of importance. And you know,
you might think, well, it's all just in fine, and
how can you really be harmed by this?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, I have the documented case of a woman down
in the States.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
She was in her forties when she was having some
deep psychological problems, some serious problems. And what she ended
up doing, rather than going to her family doctor, she
went to some past life therapists and they took her
back into her previous lives and what they discovered was back.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I don't know how many, it was many.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Many lives previous.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
She had been a slave owner, and she had a
lot of young boys that were slaves, and she had
physically and sexually.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Abused these boys.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Now in today's life, the reason why she was having
psychological problems was because when she was younger, when she
was a young girl, she was physically and sexually abused
by her father, and she had repressed a lot of
those memories she didn't seek help at that time, right,
So it was all starting to come out now when
she was in her forties. So what happened was this
(30:28):
therapist and I'll put the word therapist in quotes, in
discovering that she used to have slaves, slaves that she
physically and sexually abused. It just so happened that one
of those slaves that she abused was her father in
today's life. So because she had abused her father in
(30:53):
a previous life, her father was paying her.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Back for what she did to him. Oh brother, now
you tell me that's healthy. Uh no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
But what about these you know Bud Hopkins for example,
he he's an artist turned hypnotist, and you know he
does hypnotic regression on people who claim to have been
abducted by aliens.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Once again, is this people going into that situation, they
know exactly what type of information that that's you know,
Bud is looking for. They have, they have a specific
quote unquote problem, which is they believe that they have
been abducted by aliens. So the scene basically is the
preset and when a person is and I hate using
(31:43):
the word hypnosis because it's just not what most people
think it is, but there's we don't have another term.
But when a person is in that state of hypnosis,
they're not in a deep sleep. They are not in
a trans state. It's been shown that the trans state
does not exist. Rather, a person is more away than anything.
And when you're relaxed, your imagination can actually run wild
(32:05):
and run free, and especially if your imagination is urged
on by the questions that the hypnotist is giving you,
it can create quite an interesting scenario.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
But it doesn't mean it's real.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
So what happens physiologically when someone is hypnotized.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Nobody can agree on a natural definition.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
I mean, it has been approved by the American Medical.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Association as a modality, a healing modality, But as far
as it's effectiveness, you know, it can help minimally with
some people. But the way I like to describe it
is that the state of hypnolysis is simply it's a
highly focused state of attention. And the best way to
(32:54):
describe it or illustrate it would be take two people
that are sitting on a park bench on a busy street,
and they both have books, and you'll have one person
to'll open up their book, and they'll read the first
line and then a police car zooms by.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
So what do they do is they look up.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
And they find out what's going on. Then they go
back to the book.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
They have to reread that first line, and they hear
a baby crying somewhere, and then there's a dog barking,
and they're continuously distract In other words, they're having a
hard time focusing on the book, whereas the other person
sitting on that same park bench under those same circumstances,
it's almost like they're in the privacy of their own
home that they're totally engrossed in their book. Now, the
(33:33):
question is does that person hear the police car, hear
the baby crying, hear the dog barking. Well, of course
they do. You can't stop your hearing. But why aren't
they responding to it. Well, because it's not important to them.
What they're doing is they're focusing all their attention as
best as they can on their task at hand, which
is they want to read the book.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
They want to absorb it in the blood.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
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Speaker 4 (35:17):
Robert.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
If hypnosis really doesn't work, why are there hypnotherapists and
why do people go to them for everything from personality
disorders to quitting smoking, eating disorders and other psychological problems.
What's really happening, then, is it the person's own willpower
(35:41):
that is making them stop, and I don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
It's it's just I mean, it's not that it doesn't work,
it's just it doesn't work the way most people believe
that it works. You know, the old stereotypical springing up
pocket water in a person's eyes, and that.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Become in what I like to.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Call the Hollywood transtate. All it is is just trying
to get people to react to suggestion.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
For example, when.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
You go to attend a movie, if you want to
really experience the movie, you have to suspend your disbelief.
And if you do that, when there's a scary scene,
what happens You get goosebumps on your skin and you
get a little scary, your heart starts beating.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Or when somebody scary happens happens you jump in your seat.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Now, if you analyze what's going on, you realize it's
not real. It's just actors. It's the scene, it's the
music that's playing, it's the lighting, it's the special effects
that create an atmosphere that make it seem real, and
you're buying into it at that time. Well, it's the
same thing with hypnosis, is you're just buying into the
concept of relaxing and listening.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
To the suggestions of the hypnotist.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
The person is in full control, however, and that's why,
for example, hypnosis has been used in childbirth quite a bit.
Now I've never given burst myself personally.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
I don't know what it's like, but by talking with my.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Wife it's quite painful, yes, and hypnosis can help some
individuals to ease the pain. And all they're doing is
through the guidance of the hypnotist, is to direct their
attention not at the pain that's taking place, but try
to focus all their attention elsewhere. For example, you know,
(37:23):
imagining that there's there they're laying on a beach in
Jamaica and literally like feeling the sun beating down and
the sand between.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Your toes and your body, and so it's of attention.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Now they'll still feel the pain, but it will not
be as intense. If a person is able to redirect
their focus, that's all it is. They're in full control.
The hypnotist has no power, no control over the person whatsoever.
And when I when I hear a lot of hypnotists,
especially use the term the trans state, I just cringe
(37:57):
because there's been no scientific proof that the trand state
actually exists.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Is that why most people look at hypnosis as a
pseudo effect?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Some people do, definitely, and I don't blame them. You know,
you should look at everything skeptically. You should question everything.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Hey, Robert, we've just run out of time. Hate to
do this to you, buddy. We'll have you back on
in the near future to talk more about this fascinating topic.
Great having you with us, Robert, take care of yourself.
Congratulations on Theater of the Mind and all the other
great things that you're up to, and take care of
yourself in beautiful Halifax, Nova, Scotia.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Well, thank you very much, do a great job. I
love your show.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Thanks partner, XT donation Robert Lamar www dot Robert Lamar
dot Ca and www Dot skeptricks dot com. Well that's
it for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow night at ten o'clock.
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Take care of each other, love your children, and as
I always say, please always keep your eyes to the
(38:57):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.