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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All, Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
Rob occonnell.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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have all changed since you hung around, but those dreams
have remained and they've turned around.
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we got him on the spot.
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Speaker 5 (01:13):
And welcome back to the excellent everyone. I'm Rob McConnell.
This is our two of tonight's show, and we're coming
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(01:33):
My guess this hour is Sandy Hart. We're going to
be talking to Sandy about evolutionary leadership, women's and feminine leadership,
and luminality. Joining me now from Carlsbad, California is Sandy Heart.
And Sandy welcome to the x zone.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
So Sandy, Oh, it's Mike. It's my great pleasure. And Sandy,
tell us a little bit about yourself and h the
what you did to get were you are today, thats.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Try to get.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
Yeah, sure, I am. I am a first and foremost
a mother and grandmother.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I'm in.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
I'm a women's empowerment empowerment empowerment advocate.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I'm an interfaith activist.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
I've been working in the field of compassionate community building
wow and uh for about two decades and run a
woman's interfaith nonprofit organization called the Global Women's Village.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Good for you, man, you you're really busy out there
and and I love what you do. So congratulations on
each and every one of those aspects.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Tell me about the you're the odyssey illuminal odyssey. What
is that all about?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
The liminal odyssey?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Liminal I'm sorry, Yeah, well it.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Is luminous, it is alluminal. Liminal odyssey is a philosophy.
It's a practice. It's a modality. It's an adventure from
what is otherwise normal or mundane to the miraculous. It's
an odyssey to a destination without distance, and this philosophy,
(03:17):
when put into simple practices that we already have and
maybe a few worth adopting condition of discovery and disclosure
of our soul's sacred task, it also reveals.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Patterns of behavior.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
And of society that no longer serves us, that aren't healthy,
that whose time has come. I'm talking about systems of domination,
particularly especially since we're speaking on evolutionary women's leadership.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
The two are so.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Interlaced in my life because without having written the book
The Liminal, the all chemical Power, the spaces in between,
and putting this philosophy and these practices into place, I
wouldn't have come to so many conclusions I had about
what really evolutionary leadership is as it relates.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
To women, And how did you come up with these
philosophies and how did you put them in practice? And
what results have you seen?
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Well, it was a surprise to me, Oh what's surprised, Well,
I'll get there. It was a surprise to me how
I came to this. I sat down to write a
story as something that happened to me at nineteen eighty
two at a No Nuke's rally and music festival, in Pasadena,
California called Peace Sunday, and it actually I've been urged.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
By my friends for oh at the time that.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
I finally sat down and really got serious about writing
a story, but for about fifteen years, my friends had
been urging me to tell this story that I kind
of had forgotten about because this was in eighty two.
I was twenty one years old, and it was a
pretty cool story. And I'll be happy to share that
story as well. But to answer your question, as I'm writing,
(05:18):
and as any of you know, if you were a
writer or even a journaler, so much as revealed it
surprises you, and more stories started kind of pouring out
of me. These are real life stories that happened to
me one chapter to the next. And when I started
thinking about what got me this experience, or what did
(05:39):
I learn from this experience, or what revealed itself in
these experiences, I started assigning them as skills like reverent
listening and body awareness and cultivating synchronicities. And I can
go on, and I probably will at some point tonight,
But they revealed themselves to me, and this collection of
(06:05):
about twelve skills over the course of twelve chapters, what
I discovered and is I'm writing and I'm practicing them,
and I'm really getting into them and paying attention to them.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I noticed them as not.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Twelve skills, but one super skill that literally alchemized my life,
changed everything everything.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And what was that one skill?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Well, it's a super skill. It's a collection of all
these skills. You know, we tend to know.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
If you're like me, I have like three four hundred
books on my bookshelf that meet one of them is
a different modality and methodology, and I go to one
and that one doesn't work. And self help books I'm
talking about, And then I realized, well, they're also mutually beneficial.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
They're also they're like building blocks for one another.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
And when we start kind of looking at these practices
in our life that we you know, we all have
perhaps something we want to desktop, something we want to
improve upon, something we want to you know, remove the
weak from the chaft, if you will, of our life.
You know how, you know, how how do we Why
are we looking at a self help book in the
(07:15):
first place?
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Right?
Speaker 7 (07:17):
So I started recognizing that, and it was just through
the course of this writing that all of those skills
were working as one and I don't. I guess I
can call it liminality if I have to give it
a name, because liminal means the space in between.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
It's a threshold.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
That's what the word liminal means. And what started happening
for me is I started looking deeper into the spaces
in between.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Dilemma and choice.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I started looking into, you know, anytime there was a
threshold between here and there, and you know, whether it's
the space between my thoughts or the space between the ages.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Right or years, or what have you.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
That I just started to really dive into those spaces
in between and spend some time there with these skills.
And like I said that, the results were so transformational.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
That and now that the book has been out.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
For about three years and I'm in these various circles,
I'm hearing more and more people are saying the same thing.
It's remarkable. And it's not just my it's just not
my skills that I say, adopt these skills and give
them a try. It's not a preachy book. It's what
happens when we take the skills we have and look
(08:54):
at them in this way. And these skills are good skills,
and you know, look at them adopt them if they
work for you, that your own ye. That yeah, super
important that it's personalized.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
My wife OO and I were talking years ago. By
the way, we still talk and she's not only my wife,
she's my best friend. And I can talk to her
about anything and everything and we both do that. And
she was listening to one show I was doing and
(09:26):
I got home from the studio and she said, you
know that that guest you had on tonight, and she
named the guest. I said, yeah. She said, doesn't he
realized that the answers that he were seeking were right
in front of him if you would have looked in
a mirror. And I said wow. She said, and don't
(09:52):
people understand that every answer to every question and every
problem they have is in them? And I was, you know,
like that that kind of turned the light on inside
of me because when you when I was doing shows
from then on, I was listening to the guest and
(10:14):
saying to myself, not to the guest, you just have
to look in a mirror. The answers right there. And
I think that what your book does it creates an
inner awakening that the questions are outside, the answers are inside.
Am I correct.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Oh gosh, you just you nailed it. I think this
interview is over.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
No, no, no.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
You know I could not be more excited to hear
that wisdom because it is exactly precisely that you know that,
just that that revelation of the condition of discovery and
disclosure of our soul's sacred task is what That's what
(11:03):
the world needs of us right now. And it's all
within each of us. That's why I love the expression
it's a destination without distance. We are all feeling this tug.
Something's got to change. There's so much creative tension on
the planet right now, on every sector, mounting momentarily, and
(11:25):
yet and yet we can fill a shift, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
And like I.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Said, quantum science is you know, revealed. We're in a
second revolution right now of the vibration on a planet.
So all of these forces coming together inviting us to
this unknown place that's calling us is within us.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Your wife is right on. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Sandy Hart is my special guest. This our exhonation. And
if you'd like to get more information about Sandy after
the show, not now, not no, just stay right where
you are listening to us in your car, your office
or wherever you are on this great big planet of ours.
The website to go to after the show Xzonation is
www dot liminal Odyssey dot com. That's l I M
(12:16):
I N A L O D Y S S E
Y dot com. And of course we'll have this information
up on our website at x Zone Radio on Classic
twelve twenty dot CA. A Sandy stand by you and
I have to take a little break and when we
come back we'll continue this fascinating in self discovery conversation
(12:38):
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Doun Gooway.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Welcome, Welcome, good.
Speaker 8 (13:40):
To make a change for once in mine life. It's
gonna be real good, gonna make a difference, gonna make
it runs. That turned up the color bone a feeder
(14:02):
winter code. The spring is blue. In my mind, I
see the cys in the street with not enough fuet.
Who am I to be blind pritending not to see this?
I saw us the stinger, a broken bottle time and
(14:23):
the one then so.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
They followed each other.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
On the window.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
No, because they got nowhere and the wind no one.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
You know, I'm starting with the man in the middle.
I'm asking him to change his way, and no, say's
gonna bend clover. If you want to make the brook,
take a look at yourself and make a change.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
That's why called in the Mirror. And what a better
song for this segment is not out there very specially,
I guess that's hour Sandy Hart and we're talking about
evolutionary leadership, women in feminine leadership, and liminality. And she
is the author of the Liminal Odyssey. Her website is
liminal Odyssey dot com. Sandy, thanks very much for joining
(15:21):
us todight. And you must see a lot of changes
each and every day doing what you do.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
I do I do. I surround myself with a lot
of really amazing people, and I'm fortunate to do that.
I think we all have that option, and I made
that conscious decision. So it's good to be in good
company on a regular basis. I'm also married my best friends.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Ah, that's wonderful, isn't So what is What is the
story that led to the revelation and the theory of
the Liminal Odyssey?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Hmm, yeah, so it's actually the first chapter of my book.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Called what about the Dog?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
What about the Dog?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah? What about the Dog?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I love dogs?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Hmm.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I think you'll like the story and sas it's what
I was alluding to. In nineteen eighty two at the
Rose Bowl, I went to a known Australian music festival.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
And while everybody was.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
There for the music, admittedly because everyone who was relevant
from the late fifties actually was there. I do remember
taj Mahal was there, and Jan and Dean, but also
Jombayez and Bob Dyllain, the first time that they had
been on stage together in a concert. Bette Miller, Mister
(16:49):
Stevie Wonder, Fleetwood Mac act politicians and.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Celebrities and environ menalists were all there to implore a.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Stoned and rowdy one hundred thousand people crowd of the
critical importance of nuclear non proliferation. And that was the
cause of this concert. It was a cause concert, really,
the first cause concert of its kind, only to be
followed next by live aid at any rate. In the
(17:23):
very beginning of the day, the mc came out to
the stage and said, it's going to be a very
hot day. And we just got to report from the
parking lot somebody left your dog in their dog in
the car.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
That's your dog.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Please go all your windows down. And now I was
sitting stage left, not too far from the stage. But
remember one hundred thousand people and crowded arena swallow into
the Max and.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I couldn't stop thinking about this dog.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I was just so idealistic as a young person, but
I also it was just really there was something in
me that I could not.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Not let go of.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
And I know Reverend Jesse Jackson came to do the invocation.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
And start our day off.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
And when the band was the first band was setting up,
I started chanting, what about the dog?
Speaker 6 (18:18):
What about the dog?
Speaker 7 (18:19):
And I knew if I chanted, eventually it would get
down to the stage, and sure enough it wouldn't take
long at all for someone to respond to me.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
And they didn't.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I was drowned out by that band. And then when
the band was breaking down and another speaker was coming
to the stage, I started again, but now my friends
started with me, and this went on a couple of
iterations until our entire chat section in our lodge area
was chanting what about the dog? What about the dog?
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What about the dog? This one on all day long.
Around four o'clock, I was walking back in from the
concession stand and I heard it.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I heard what about the dog? And I didn't start it,
and I'm like, what is It?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Just was my realization that I don't know where that
came from. I knew something, I knew something was stirring
in me. I didn't know what it was other than
my passion for this dog.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
But it would take me like thirty five years, two
longer than that to really know what that was about.
And when I stop and think about it.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
What happened from the moment that that news hit my
nervous system, you know, that the dog is left in
the car, and then my choice to do something about it,
and then the power I had to activate one hundred
thousand people because I was persistent and consistent about something
that was important, and clearly everybody felt something important about that.
(20:02):
What I was chanting about as well, it was meaningful
to them as well. And then finally, about seven o'clock
at night, right before mister Wender was going to take
the stage and ask for five minutes of silence, MC
came to the stage and said, oh, I hear you
want to know about the dog or something like that.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
The dog is fine.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Everyone was cheering and trash was flying in the air.
I remember, I don't random objects. And then mister Stephen
Wonder asked for five minutes of silence. So who knows
if they did that just to quiet us down or
it was a real thing. But it didn't matter. What
mattered was I found my voice. I knew I was
not alone in my seat that day. I must have
(20:46):
had an angel force, you know, prodding me and pushing me.
And that was the story that revealed that to me,
Oh wait, there was something going on between.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
And it's a pattern in my life. It's just a
pattern in.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
My life where I've always said yes to things, or
I've been able to stretch an opportunity into something adventurous.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
But how many people Sandy listening to us tonight, anywhere
on this beautiful planet of ours, have had that feeling
and just kept that voice inside And they will not
know the difference it would have made if they just
would have said something. But you actually took action. You
let your voice be heard. And I think that this
(21:41):
is what the world needs more of these days, is
to let the inner voice out because you made a
great difference that day. You actually got somebody to take
care of that dog, even if the rally was about
nuclear proliferation. You know you did it.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, And not only thank you, and not only do
I believe that we're all gifted with the seat in
our pocket to show up when we fill that tug.
It's it's it's not even it's not only our privilege,
it's our sacred responsibility. And who are we not to
(22:24):
show up? Who are we to play small? This brings
us right to the conversation of women's empowerment too, and
that is we've been duped by patriarchy's charms, that the
system of domination. That change isn't going to come from
the masses. It's going to come from these leaders that
(22:49):
look like this and have this power over us and
are telling us no, keep your you know you're probably wrong,
or you need us to make these changes.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Well, this is I think where.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
We're going right now in a collective evolutionary impulse.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
You know, I love history, and history has shown us
well that when a woman has been in charge of
a country, for example, look at the Egyptians. Then you've
got the different queens Mary, Queen of Scott Queen Victoria,
Queen Elizabeth, and so on. The country has been enriched
because of the logical method. And then when you look
(23:30):
at how men have run countries, well, you don't have
to look forward to see where I'm going with this one.
Women in history. Women in history have made have made
it strong exactly, you know. And I understand the frustration
because I see it in my own industries where pardon I'm.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Sorry, Yeah, I was disagreeing with you.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Oh sure, yeah, of course, you know, and I believe
that it's not the sex that determines the person who
gets the job. It's the qualifications of the person that
best suit the job. And you know, once again I
applaud you for what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
It's not and I think we're also it's also we're
also really well served to understand that maytriarchy, you know,
these matriarchal societies that existed, you know, before monotheism really
got their grip on us, and that experiment, I think
(24:40):
is starting to fade away. And I'm saying, this is
an interfaith act of this born at you that that.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Not it was.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
It was an egalitarians society, men and women had equal voice. Ye.
May triarchy is I would say, patriarchy is the absence
of matriarchy.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
But matriarchy.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Involves both the masculine and the feminine voices. And we're
not talking about gender now, we're talking about qualities of
masculine and feminine.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I agree with you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And the wounded mail. We can't blame men too hard.
And by the way, women, this is what a lot
of my work is right now and my forthcoming book
on the Future of Women's Leadership is that we have
a lot of baggage that we are caring, and we
have a lot of a lot of stuff that we
(25:45):
have to look at ourselves and say how much are
we we're contributing to that patriarchy and men the wounded mail.
It's a whole nother radio program.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
All right, Sandy, please stand value and I have to
take another break here in dextonation. If you'd like to
find out more about Sandy, visit her website liminal Odyssey
dot com and Sandy Heart and I will be back
on the other side of this break as we continue
here in the XON from our broadcast center and studios
in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada. And you're listening to us
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in Midland, Michigan. It's gonna be real.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Good, gonna make a difference, gonna make you run. As
I turned upon opinter code, the spring is the.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Blue in my mind.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
See okays in the street, but not enough twoeet who
am I to be blind.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
But she can kill with a smile, she can wound
with her eyes, and she can ruin your faith with
her casual lies.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And she only reveals what she wants you to see.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
She hides like a child, but she's always a woman
to me. She can lead you to love, she can
take you all leave. She can ask for the truth,
but she'll never believe, and she'll take what you give
her as long as it's free. Yes, she steals like
(27:48):
a thief, but she's always a woman to me.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Sandy Hart is my special guest ex O Nation and
her website is Liminal Odyssey dot calm Sandy, what time,
what types of transformation potentially takes place? And how was
perception shifted as it relates to the paranormal for example?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Mmm? Yeah, Well you.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Know, as I described, the Liminal Odyssey alchemizes the mundane
to the miraculous in ways that are transformational. Like you say,
when we practice these skills of awareness, paying attention to
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the impeccability of our words self realization, when we when
we understand that we live in an all encompassing, all
loving universe.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
I'm just rattling off.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
A few of these skills and reverend, like I said earlier,
reverent listening and body awareness, there's an acute shift of
perception that we're we're you see new colors, you feel
new textures, you're slowing down to the sound of awe
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and wonder about everything around you. And that's how we
start cultivating synchronicities, you know, meaningful connections between two things
that may not otherwise be noticed. And I believe that
that's how spirit talks to us. So when we are
in this condition of I guess we can call it liminality,
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then then we start seeing what was normal and is
now paranormal, but we're normalizing it.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
It's time to normalize a new perception.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
How does one's religious philosophies fit into with today's liminal lodysy?
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Oh, that's a great question. Well, you know, it all depends.
I think.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I think the universal truth of all religions.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Is love.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
And then there's the golden rule doing to others as
you'll have done doing on yourself, so to speak broadly,
those two things, so I think we all agree upon
and what else matters? Right, So there's I mean, this
is this is, this is beautiful. There's uh. You know,
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I write about the spaces on the Torah. I can
speak to Judaism Jewish. The Torah is written in a
very specific way, these scrolls that they verse five. The
Old Testament as it's known, is written on and ascribe
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who has some four thousand year hours of training and
must know all of these laws to breathe them in
to the Torah while they're describing it. And there can't
be any mistakes in this in the Torah. And if
there is, there's a ritualistic process to remove that word.
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And if that word happens to be God, for example,
then there's a ritualistic burial as well. So there's a
real intro. You know, if you see a Torah, there's
so much that goes into it. But this is the
fascinating part about it. It was written, it was designed
in a way that there's the exact amount of space
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around the outside of every portion of the Torah or
the page, if you will, and and in between every
letter exact amount of space. Now, one thing about Judaism,
as you can ask a Jewish person two questions and
get four answers, or to Jews one question, get five answers.
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But this is fascinating because what is that is the
words may be written by man, but the spaces in
between are where we find God. And I did a
little bit of research on this, not a deep dive,
but so much of our world religions come from the
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monotheistic philosophy, which came out of Judaism. So I think
when we start slowing down and really understanding our individual
faith will find meaning in that, as I did with
my faith. I knew this about the Tora, but it
wasn't until I started thinking about liminality that that made.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I believe that when we start taking a good look
at our own religious philosophies, we're going to find out
that we all have the same roots. You know, it's
just the same encyclopedia set, except everybody's got different volumes.
But when you put the volumes together, you've got the
complete set.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Right.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
And somewhere along the way, we got duped into believing
that we can't sit together, we can't look at them
or nationalism used as religion as a great divider is
a great manipulation.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Tool, and there are those in power that use religion
as a weapon thinkstly now here we are in the
twenty twenty first century and we're still looking at religion
as a means to weaponize and use against people.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I really think that we are evolving out of that.
It's a slow drift, but I'm seeing it as an
interfaith activist. You know, there are few studies, and I've
seen a few of them over the last two decades
that I've been in inter faithful activist interfaith activists that
have proven that the fastest growing identity is none an one.
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We're losing our youth. Religion is losing its youth because
it's just not it just doesn't hold water anymore. You know,
we're growing a whole new human being.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
I was talking to a high school student. I'm interviewing
some women for my book, and I was interviewing this
high school student and who is wiser beyond measure and
wiser than me, And yeah, what was coming from her?
I could never imagine just the way their brains work.
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They've just grown up different with technology and computers, and
you know, they're using more of their left and right brain.
We've been so left brain and it's time we move
back into our right brain.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I agree with you one hundred percent. In fact, here
in Ontario, it was just an bounced that the Minister
of Education said no more cell phones in schools. Uh huh,
it's it's ruining. People are paying more attention, you know,
people spend what is it. I think there was a
survey that was put up. People spend ninety two percent
of their day looking down at their cell phones than
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they do anything else. Oh sure, ninety yeah, you know.
And our grandson, one of the fifteen, was over at
the house the other day and my wife was it
was somebody's birthday, so she was writing out the birthday card.
My grandson said, what are you doing? My voice says,
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I'm writing out Stephanie a birthday card. And she says, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know that, grandma, But how do you write like that?
And he's in grade six? Yeah, they don't use drive anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
He lost me at fifteen grandkids.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Okay, oh wait a minute, there's also two great grands children.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
Oh wow, bless your heart.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
My I don't even know if my thirty five year
old daughter can properly address an envelope. And she doesn't
need to. I mean, she's brilliant, she's smart.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
And after her mom.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Huh, but oh well, actually she can because I made
them do that in school. Whatever. But anyway, we are
growing different human being right now and we really need
to get out of their way.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
And you know, the reason rock.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
That I'm an interfaith active is it is not because
I'm interested in the faith traditions.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I mean I am.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I love to know where people, what makes people tick,
what makes them think.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I did this.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I started this organization or women's interfaith organization, which was
formerly called Sarah the Spiritual and Religious Lines for Hope,
Sarah the Mother of All Nations. And at the morning
of nine to eleven where I heard gather women when
I saw what we were all seeing on the news,
and I knew that you know, where do you go
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to affect change? And you go to the heart, and
how do you impact you know, where can you find
a critical mass in one space that are all facing
the same direction places of worship and who are all
informed and motivated inspired by the teachings of that church
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and particularly the rabbi or the minister, the reverend, what
have you, leader, what have you? And that sort of change.
I really believe change happens in that way. And I
did a lot of community building, and there's lots of
interfaith councils around the community that I'm still semi active in,
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and women coming together and having honest conversations is really
critical when we can dismiss antle the fear that has
been used to manipulate us and see our common bond
of love and compassion too. As a compassion activist, I
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still am. I train, I do workshops on compassion, integrity training,
and the core values of compassion are really, as Darwin
would tell us, is required for our survival. When he
said survival of the fittest, he wasn't referring to the
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biggest in meanus with the sharpest teeth, the one that
kills them all. He was referring to the fittest in
terms of character, the most adaptable and compassionate.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
He wrote volumes on that. So that's where we can go.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
And I don't mind telling you on the Women's Task
Force for the Parliament of the World's Religions. This major
conference that moves around the world every four or five years,
and this last conference was in Chicago. About seven thousand
people came, usually get up to ten thousand. This is
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not you know, coming right off of COVID or a
couple of years after COVID, we understood the drop in attendance,
but it doesn't matter. I thought, Okay, what are we
going to do to really implore this community. We've got
everybody under one roof. I know, let's build a women's village.
And that is what has really catapulted me. It launched
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me into a whole new liminality of really understanding why
it's so important for women to take the helm our
endigious wisdom will have offhicized.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Sandy, I've got to take my break. Please doan buy.
I apologize, but I want to talk to you about
your woman's village when I come back, because I think
it's a fascinating concept and I'm I love what you've
done and if there's any way we can help you
get to where you need to go, just let me know.
I'll be there for you. Stand by. This is the
Xcell and I'm Rob McConnell. Sandy Hart and I return
on the other side as we continue on the Xcell
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Speaker 10 (40:16):
Yeah, she steals like a thief, but she's always a
woman and to me.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
She takes care officers.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Cool.
Speaker 11 (40:41):
Now, Don John, it's not good to go back in time.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I'm welcome to.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
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if you're not part of the solution, you're part of
the problem. Sandy Hert's my special guest. Sandy. First of all,
thank you so much for coming on the show. I
love what you're doing, and gosh, I'm glad you're doing it.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Thank you, thank you for giving me a place for
my voice to be heard, and thank you for being
such a generous host.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
And you're inside in your wisdom, and please give your
wife a great big hug for me.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
I certainly will, Sandy, I certainly will. You know you
and I have something else in common. The reason I
started this show over thirty five years ago was because
I wanted to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Now.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
I was a police officer for a number of years,
but because I came down with something, I came down
with the degenerative hip, so I couldn't be a policeman anymore.
So there were three things I wanted to do when
I was a kid. I wanted to be in a
rock and roll band, which I was. I wanted to
be a cop, which I was. And my mom was
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an inspiration to me in broadcasting because she worked at
c kgvan Montreal. She was a bit actor on a
CFCFTV in Montreal, and I said, well, no, gosh, garn it,
I've got to get into broadcasting. And everybody said yeah, sure,
But anyway I did. And the entire premise of the
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X Zone and all the other shows we do at
Realmar which is our corporate company, and the publications that
we do, is to make one difference in one person's
life each and every day. That's it. To make a
positive difference and to let people know what is out there,
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to let people know that even though they may feel
that they've got this belief that they got to hide
in a closet because they're afraid to say anything about it,
I'd like to give them the farm where they hear
other people and they don't feel so isolated, they don't
feel alone. I wish I had a dime for every
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time I heard, well you know what, Rob, I thought
I was alone. No one's alone. You just have to
listen and you'll always find somebody who's willing to listen
to you. And that's the secret that I don't understand
why more interviewers don't understand. Everyone has a story, give
them the opportunity to tell it. So this is what
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we do, and this is what you do.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
Well, it sounds like you've accepted your marching orders on
your sacred task and you're doing it brilliantly. Because it
takes all of us to show up in a meaningful way.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
There are time, Sandy, when I tried to get out
of this business, and it's like Fate says, uh ah, no, no, no, no,
get back to it. Yeah, and I've decided that, Hey,
I'm making a difference. I'm making people happy. I'm doing
the best I can to serve my communities, and I'm
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giving people a voice, a way to get their message
out there. So yeah, okay, Fate, I understand. I'm not
going to interrupt you anymore. Carry on, McDuff.
Speaker 7 (45:47):
Yeah, And that's what it's all about. From strength to strength,
from generation to generation. This is what we owe each other.
Nobody is immune from being connected to anybody else.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
Nobody exists on this plan it alone.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
And when and when we operate in a condition of
enlightened self interest, meaning what I with an understanding, when
I what I when I'm doing what makes me come alive?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Is good for.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
You, and what I do for you is good for
me as well. Where it's mutually a beneficial expression. Then
imagine a world where everybody did that. There would be
there would you know, there would be balance in our society.
This is what feminine leadership is, whether you're gendered male
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or female, or don't identify at all. It's feminine leadership
when your collaborative, cooperative and practice this condition of enlightened
self interest.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Because we have to take care of ourselves.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Too, I understand that. But you know what, also, why
I think that a lot of this is coming to
the surface now is because man and other people are realizing.
Number one, we're all the same. Get rid of the
different pigment in our skins. We're all the same. There
is no different looking person on the inside. We're all
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the same. We all live on this beautiful planet. And
ladies have always been nurturing and caring of their children
and other children, you know, like gosh, you know, my
wife feeds the neighborhood when they come over to play
with the kids and the grandchildren. You know, because you
take responsibility and are you your brother's keeper? You're done right?
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You are? We all have to take responsibility. And I
think that is why it's Mother Earth, not Father Earth.
Mother Earth.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
Yeah, well, you know, like Earth, we are the givers
of life. Yes, we are the sustainers of life. Our
womb is the first ocean.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
All life comes through us. And so when we accept
that responsibility and that privilege, and we hold our shoulders
back and our chin up and we we we honor ourselves,
that's where it begins. That's why, that's why, that's why,
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you know, the days of pounding the pavement and pumping
our fist and demanding equality. Well, of course there needs
to be you know, balance, There needs to be parody
because men and women aren't the same. We're built differently.
We have different roles to pro create life and we
there's different conditions, you know.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
Yet parody means equal access. So when we all have equal.
Speaker 7 (48:57):
Access, and what keeps us, what keeps system of domination
and play is fear, you know, and so just the
question is why what's the fear?
Speaker 6 (49:08):
What will happen if.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
You know?
Speaker 6 (49:12):
Oh, well, let's look back on eras where women were.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
We're at the we're at the helm, you know these
before the break I was mentioning and you got me
all excited, So I wasn't paying attention of the time
that according to indigenous wisdom, the staff has been passed
to the feminine, not the woman, the feminine and because women,
the gendered women embodies that feminine naturally, because it's we
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needed to care for our young, feed our young, have
more babies, and so on, and just our nature some
things that are absolutely women's nature. That we own that helm,
that we own that staff.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
And we we.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Start, we start believing it.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
For ourselves and then see what happens.
Speaker 7 (50:14):
Here's a here's a really cool practice. And this is
great for women to do because it just demonstrates, Oh,
I use the word, it demonstrates the system of domination
in a different way. But everybody, I invite everybody to
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take the word j U s t just out of
your vocabulary. It's sort of like that word, but it
discounts what you're what you just said, I love you.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
But ye.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Just does the exact same thing. Yet, Oh, I.
Speaker 7 (50:51):
Just want to call you, or I just want to
say something, or just that's just saying. It's almost asking
permission or it's dismissive, like for give me. Certainly I speak,
you know, it's and that's that's a condition, that's the
cellular memory that we carry.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
That's the baggage we have to do work on. And
you know what, it's not a sweech you can turn
on and off.
Speaker 7 (51:13):
You you know, perhaps you'll be a little bit more
aware of it now that.
Speaker 6 (51:16):
You've heard this conversation. But there's practice. Practice is really important.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
The liminal odysty does have practices that are But anytime
you practice anything you want to change, you're changing the
chemistry in your brain. You're actually rewiring your brain, creating
new neural pathways where it becomes a habit, where it
becomes part of who you are. And that's how you
impact the collective because you're creating a whole new culture
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that it starts with you. And culture is nothing more
than a collective agreement from everybody. So what are we
going to do to start showing up in our power?
And I want I want the gendered mel to do
the same thing and drop the fear and take a
look at that wounded ness, especially white men, because white
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men have been carrying so much since the Inquisition. There's
a heavy load. We can go on and on, but
generally speaking, this is why I wanted to build a
village in the middle of the world's religions, into the epicenter,
the root all of that system of domination where the
religions are, to create a space. Thirteen hundred square feet
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it was the amount we got, and boy did we use.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
Every ounce of it.
Speaker 7 (52:39):
And people would say, God, the error is different in
here than it is out there. And we didn't have
any big walls. We did have a container, we did
have something that created a divider between us and the
rest of the convention and the foyer there, but we
didn't have anything that would have created like it wasn't
a closed room.
Speaker 6 (52:59):
The texture in the air was different. It just was different.
And then we're coming in there and sitting down taking naps,
playing their guitars that they might have brought her flut
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Sandy, I hate to do this, but we've just run
up time for tonight here. You'll have to come back, Sandy.
You'll have to come back because we still have so
much to talk about. Sandy, take care. Thank you very
much for joining us in Dexone Nation. If you'd like
to visit Sandy's website, which I urge you to do.
Liminal Odyssey dot com. Well that's it for tonight. I'll
be back tomorrow night at ten o'clock is once again
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we cross the time space continuum to this place that
I call the xone. So until tomorrow night, my friends
who are listening to us on the XON Broadcast Network
Classic twelve twenties and of course streaming Classic twelve twenty
dot CA always remembered to keep your eyes to the
sky and your heart in the light. Good Night everyone.
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You don't have to go home, but your ten stay
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Speaker 2 (54:00):
Zero
All, Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
Rob occonnell.
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Your dreams were your ticket, uh, welcome back to that
same old place that you laughed about. Well, the names
have all changed since you hung around, but those dreams
have remained and they've turned around.
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Aga dot where we need job God the teasing because
we got him on the spot.
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And welcome back to the excellent everyone. I'm Rob McConnell.
This is our two of tonight's show, and we're coming
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My guess this hour is Sandy Hart. We're going to
be talking to Sandy about evolutionary leadership, women's and feminine leadership,
and luminality. Joining me now from Carlsbad, California is Sandy Heart.
And Sandy welcome to the x zone.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
So Sandy, Oh, it's Mike. It's my great pleasure. And Sandy,
tell us a little bit about yourself and h the
what you did to get were you are today, thats.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Try to get.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
Yeah, sure, I am. I am a first and foremost
a mother and grandmother.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I'm in.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
I'm a women's empowerment empowerment empowerment advocate.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I'm an interfaith activist.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
I've been working in the field of compassionate community building
wow and uh for about two decades and run a
woman's interfaith nonprofit organization called the Global Women's Village.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Good for you, man, you you're really busy out there
and and I love what you do. So congratulations on
each and every one of those aspects.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Tell me about the you're the odyssey illuminal odyssey. What
is that all about?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
The liminal odyssey?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Liminal I'm sorry, Yeah, well it.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Is luminous, it is alluminal. Liminal odyssey is a philosophy.
It's a practice. It's a modality. It's an adventure from
what is otherwise normal or mundane to the miraculous. It's
an odyssey to a destination without distance, and this philosophy,
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when put into simple practices that we already have and
maybe a few worth adopting condition of discovery and disclosure
of our soul's sacred task, it also reveals.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Patterns of behavior.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
And of society that no longer serves us, that aren't healthy,
that whose time has come. I'm talking about systems of domination,
particularly especially since we're speaking on evolutionary women's leadership.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
The two are so.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Interlaced in my life because without having written the book
The Liminal, the all chemical Power, the spaces in between,
and putting this philosophy and these practices into place, I
wouldn't have come to so many conclusions I had about
what really evolutionary leadership is as it relates.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
To women, And how did you come up with these
philosophies and how did you put them in practice? And
what results have you seen?
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Well, it was a surprise to me, Oh what's surprised, Well,
I'll get there. It was a surprise to me how
I came to this. I sat down to write a
story as something that happened to me at nineteen eighty
two at a No Nuke's rally and music festival, in Pasadena,
California called Peace Sunday, and it actually I've been urged.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
By my friends for oh at the time that.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
I finally sat down and really got serious about writing
a story, but for about fifteen years, my friends had
been urging me to tell this story that I kind
of had forgotten about because this was in eighty two.
I was twenty one years old, and it was a
pretty cool story. And I'll be happy to share that
story as well. But to answer your question, as I'm writing,
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and as any of you know, if you were a
writer or even a journaler, so much as revealed it
surprises you, and more stories started kind of pouring out
of me. These are real life stories that happened to
me one chapter to the next. And when I started
thinking about what got me this experience, or what did
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I learn from this experience, or what revealed itself in
these experiences, I started assigning them as skills like reverent
listening and body awareness and cultivating synchronicities. And I can
go on, and I probably will at some point tonight,
But they revealed themselves to me, and this collection of
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about twelve skills over the course of twelve chapters, what
I discovered and is I'm writing and I'm practicing them,
and I'm really getting into them and paying attention to them.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I noticed them as not.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Twelve skills, but one super skill that literally alchemized my life,
changed everything everything.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And what was that one skill?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Well, it's a super skill. It's a collection of all
these skills. You know, we tend to know.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
If you're like me, I have like three four hundred
books on my bookshelf that meet one of them is
a different modality and methodology, and I go to one
and that one doesn't work. And self help books I'm
talking about, And then I realized, well, they're also mutually beneficial.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
They're also they're like building blocks for one another.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
And when we start kind of looking at these practices
in our life that we you know, we all have
perhaps something we want to desktop, something we want to
improve upon, something we want to you know, remove the
weak from the chaft, if you will, of our life.
You know how, you know, how how do we Why
are we looking at a self help book in the
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first place?
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Right?
Speaker 7 (07:17):
So I started recognizing that, and it was just through
the course of this writing that all of those skills
were working as one and I don't. I guess I
can call it liminality if I have to give it
a name, because liminal means the space in between.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
It's a threshold.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
That's what the word liminal means. And what started happening
for me is I started looking deeper into the spaces
in between.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Dilemma and choice.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I started looking into, you know, anytime there was a
threshold between here and there, and you know, whether it's
the space between my thoughts or the space between the ages.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Right or years, or what have you.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
That I just started to really dive into those spaces
in between and spend some time there with these skills.
And like I said that, the results were so transformational.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
That and now that the book has been out.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
For about three years and I'm in these various circles,
I'm hearing more and more people are saying the same thing.
It's remarkable. And it's not just my it's just not
my skills that I say, adopt these skills and give
them a try. It's not a preachy book. It's what
happens when we take the skills we have and look
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at them in this way. And these skills are good skills,
and you know, look at them adopt them if they
work for you, that your own ye. That yeah, super
important that it's personalized.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
My wife OO and I were talking years ago. By
the way, we still talk and she's not only my wife,
she's my best friend. And I can talk to her
about anything and everything and we both do that. And
she was listening to one show I was doing and
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I got home from the studio and she said, you
know that that guest you had on tonight, and she
named the guest. I said, yeah. She said, doesn't he
realized that the answers that he were seeking were right
in front of him if you would have looked in
a mirror. And I said wow. She said, and don't
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people understand that every answer to every question and every
problem they have is in them? And I was, you know,
like that that kind of turned the light on inside
of me because when you when I was doing shows
from then on, I was listening to the guest and
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saying to myself, not to the guest, you just have
to look in a mirror. The answers right there. And
I think that what your book does it creates an
inner awakening that the questions are outside, the answers are inside.
Am I correct.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Oh gosh, you just you nailed it. I think this
interview is over.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
No, no, no.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
You know I could not be more excited to hear
that wisdom because it is exactly precisely that you know that,
just that that revelation of the condition of discovery and
disclosure of our soul's sacred task is what That's what
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the world needs of us right now. And it's all
within each of us. That's why I love the expression
it's a destination without distance. We are all feeling this tug.
Something's got to change. There's so much creative tension on
the planet right now, on every sector, mounting momentarily, and
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yet and yet we can fill a shift, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
And like I.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Said, quantum science is you know, revealed. We're in a
second revolution right now of the vibration on a planet.
So all of these forces coming together inviting us to
this unknown place that's calling us is within us.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Your wife is right on. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
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Speaker 2 (13:25):
Welcome, Welcome, good.
Speaker 8 (13:40):
To make a change for once in mine life. It's
gonna be real good, gonna make a difference, gonna make
it runs. That turned up the color bone a feeder
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winter code. The spring is blue. In my mind, I
see the cys in the street with not enough fuet.
Who am I to be blind pritending not to see this?
I saw us the stinger, a broken bottle time and
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the one then so.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
They followed each other.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
On the window.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
No, because they got nowhere and the wind no one.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
You know, I'm starting with the man in the middle.
I'm asking him to change his way, and no, say's
gonna bend clover. If you want to make the brook,
take a look at yourself and make a change.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
That's why called in the Mirror. And what a better
song for this segment is not out there very specially,
I guess that's hour Sandy Hart and we're talking about
evolutionary leadership, women in feminine leadership, and liminality. And she
is the author of the Liminal Odyssey. Her website is
liminal Odyssey dot com. Sandy, thanks very much for joining
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us todight. And you must see a lot of changes
each and every day doing what you do.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
I do I do. I surround myself with a lot
of really amazing people, and I'm fortunate to do that.
I think we all have that option, and I made
that conscious decision. So it's good to be in good
company on a regular basis. I'm also married my best friends.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Ah, that's wonderful, isn't So what is What is the
story that led to the revelation and the theory of
the Liminal Odyssey?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Hmm, yeah, so it's actually the first chapter of my book.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Called what about the Dog?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
What about the Dog?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah? What about the Dog?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I love dogs?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Hmm.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I think you'll like the story and sas it's what
I was alluding to. In nineteen eighty two at the
Rose Bowl, I went to a known Australian music festival.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
And while everybody was.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
There for the music, admittedly because everyone who was relevant
from the late fifties actually was there. I do remember
taj Mahal was there, and Jan and Dean, but also
Jombayez and Bob Dyllain, the first time that they had
been on stage together in a concert. Bette Miller, Mister
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Stevie Wonder, Fleetwood Mac act politicians and.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Celebrities and environ menalists were all there to implore a.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Stoned and rowdy one hundred thousand people crowd of the
critical importance of nuclear non proliferation. And that was the
cause of this concert. It was a cause concert, really,
the first cause concert of its kind, only to be
followed next by live aid at any rate. In the
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very beginning of the day, the mc came out to
the stage and said, it's going to be a very
hot day. And we just got to report from the
parking lot somebody left your dog in their dog in
the car.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
That's your dog.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Please go all your windows down. And now I was
sitting stage left, not too far from the stage. But
remember one hundred thousand people and crowded arena swallow into
the Max and.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I couldn't stop thinking about this dog.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I was just so idealistic as a young person, but
I also it was just really there was something in
me that I could not.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Not let go of.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
And I know Reverend Jesse Jackson came to do the invocation.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
And start our day off.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
And when the band was the first band was setting up,
I started chanting, what about the dog?
Speaker 6 (18:18):
What about the dog?
Speaker 7 (18:19):
And I knew if I chanted, eventually it would get
down to the stage, and sure enough it wouldn't take
long at all for someone to respond to me.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
And they didn't.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I was drowned out by that band. And then when
the band was breaking down and another speaker was coming
to the stage, I started again, but now my friends
started with me, and this went on a couple of
iterations until our entire chat section in our lodge area
was chanting what about the dog? What about the dog?
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What about the dog? This one on all day long.
Around four o'clock, I was walking back in from the
concession stand and I heard it.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I heard what about the dog? And I didn't start it,
and I'm like, what is It?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Just was my realization that I don't know where that
came from. I knew something, I knew something was stirring
in me. I didn't know what it was other than
my passion for this dog.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
But it would take me like thirty five years, two
longer than that to really know what that was about.
And when I stop and think about it.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
What happened from the moment that that news hit my
nervous system, you know, that the dog is left in
the car, and then my choice to do something about it,
and then the power I had to activate one hundred
thousand people because I was persistent and consistent about something
that was important, and clearly everybody felt something important about that.
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What I was chanting about as well, it was meaningful
to them as well. And then finally, about seven o'clock
at night, right before mister Wender was going to take
the stage and ask for five minutes of silence, MC
came to the stage and said, oh, I hear you
want to know about the dog or something like that.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
The dog is fine.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Everyone was cheering and trash was flying in the air.
I remember, I don't random objects. And then mister Stephen
Wonder asked for five minutes of silence. So who knows
if they did that just to quiet us down or
it was a real thing. But it didn't matter. What
mattered was I found my voice. I knew I was
not alone in my seat that day. I must have
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had an angel force, you know, prodding me and pushing me.
And that was the story that revealed that to me,
Oh wait, there was something going on between.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
And it's a pattern in my life. It's just a
pattern in.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
My life where I've always said yes to things, or
I've been able to stretch an opportunity into something adventurous.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
But how many people Sandy listening to us tonight, anywhere
on this beautiful planet of ours, have had that feeling
and just kept that voice inside And they will not
know the difference it would have made if they just
would have said something. But you actually took action. You
let your voice be heard. And I think that this
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is what the world needs more of these days, is
to let the inner voice out because you made a
great difference that day. You actually got somebody to take
care of that dog, even if the rally was about
nuclear proliferation. You know you did it.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, And not only thank you, and not only do
I believe that we're all gifted with the seat in
our pocket to show up when we fill that tug.
It's it's it's not even it's not only our privilege,
it's our sacred responsibility. And who are we not to
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show up? Who are we to play small? This brings
us right to the conversation of women's empowerment too, and
that is we've been duped by patriarchy's charms, that the
system of domination. That change isn't going to come from
the masses. It's going to come from these leaders that
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look like this and have this power over us and
are telling us no, keep your you know you're probably wrong,
or you need us to make these changes.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Well, this is I think where.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
We're going right now in a collective evolutionary impulse.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
You know, I love history, and history has shown us
well that when a woman has been in charge of
a country, for example, look at the Egyptians. Then you've
got the different queens Mary, Queen of Scott Queen Victoria,
Queen Elizabeth, and so on. The country has been enriched
because of the logical method. And then when you look
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at how men have run countries, well, you don't have
to look forward to see where I'm going with this one.
Women in history. Women in history have made have made
it strong exactly, you know. And I understand the frustration
because I see it in my own industries where pardon I'm.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Sorry, Yeah, I was disagreeing with you.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Oh sure, yeah, of course, you know, and I believe
that it's not the sex that determines the person who
gets the job. It's the qualifications of the person that
best suit the job. And you know, once again I
applaud you for what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
It's not and I think we're also it's also we're
also really well served to understand that maytriarchy, you know,
these matriarchal societies that existed, you know, before monotheism really
got their grip on us, and that experiment, I think
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is starting to fade away. And I'm saying, this is
an interfaith act of this born at you that that.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Not it was.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
It was an egalitarians society, men and women had equal voice. Ye.
May triarchy is I would say, patriarchy is the absence
of matriarchy.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
But matriarchy.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Involves both the masculine and the feminine voices. And we're
not talking about gender now, we're talking about qualities of
masculine and feminine.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I agree with you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And the wounded mail. We can't blame men too hard.
And by the way, women, this is what a lot
of my work is right now and my forthcoming book
on the Future of Women's Leadership is that we have
a lot of baggage that we are caring, and we
have a lot of a lot of stuff that we
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have to look at ourselves and say how much are
we we're contributing to that patriarchy and men the wounded mail.
It's a whole nother radio program.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
All right, Sandy, please stand value and I have to
take another break here in dextonation. If you'd like to
find out more about Sandy, visit her website liminal Odyssey
dot com and Sandy Heart and I will be back
on the other side of this break as we continue
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Speaker 8 (26:35):
Good, gonna make a difference, gonna make you run. As
I turned upon opinter code, the spring is the.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Blue in my mind.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
See okays in the street, but not enough twoeet who
am I to be blind.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
But she can kill with a smile, she can wound
with her eyes, and she can ruin your faith with
her casual lies.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And she only reveals what she wants you to see.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
She hides like a child, but she's always a woman
to me. She can lead you to love, she can
take you all leave. She can ask for the truth,
but she'll never believe, and she'll take what you give
her as long as it's free. Yes, she steals like
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a thief, but she's always a woman to me.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Sandy Hart is my special guest ex O Nation and
her website is Liminal Odyssey dot calm Sandy, what time,
what types of transformation potentially takes place? And how was
perception shifted as it relates to the paranormal for example?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Mmm? Yeah, Well you.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Know, as I described, the Liminal Odyssey alchemizes the mundane
to the miraculous in ways that are transformational. Like you say,
when we practice these skills of awareness, paying attention to
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the impeccability of our words self realization, when we when
we understand that we live in an all encompassing, all
loving universe.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
I'm just rattling off.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
A few of these skills and reverend, like I said earlier,
reverent listening and body awareness, there's an acute shift of
perception that we're we're you see new colors, you feel
new textures, you're slowing down to the sound of awe
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and wonder about everything around you. And that's how we
start cultivating synchronicities, you know, meaningful connections between two things
that may not otherwise be noticed. And I believe that
that's how spirit talks to us. So when we are
in this condition of I guess we can call it liminality,
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then then we start seeing what was normal and is
now paranormal, but we're normalizing it.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
It's time to normalize a new perception.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
How does one's religious philosophies fit into with today's liminal lodysy?
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Oh, that's a great question. Well, you know, it all depends.
I think.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I think the universal truth of all religions.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Is love.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
And then there's the golden rule doing to others as
you'll have done doing on yourself, so to speak broadly,
those two things, so I think we all agree upon
and what else matters? Right, So there's I mean, this
is this is, this is beautiful. There's uh. You know,
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I write about the spaces on the Torah. I can
speak to Judaism Jewish. The Torah is written in a
very specific way, these scrolls that they verse five. The
Old Testament as it's known, is written on and ascribe
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who has some four thousand year hours of training and
must know all of these laws to breathe them in
to the Torah while they're describing it. And there can't
be any mistakes in this in the Torah. And if
there is, there's a ritualistic process to remove that word.
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And if that word happens to be God, for example,
then there's a ritualistic burial as well. So there's a
real intro. You know, if you see a Torah, there's
so much that goes into it. But this is the
fascinating part about it. It was written, it was designed
in a way that there's the exact amount of space
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around the outside of every portion of the Torah or
the page, if you will, and and in between every
letter exact amount of space. Now, one thing about Judaism,
as you can ask a Jewish person two questions and
get four answers, or to Jews one question, get five answers.
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But this is fascinating because what is that is the
words may be written by man, but the spaces in
between are where we find God. And I did a
little bit of research on this, not a deep dive,
but so much of our world religions come from the
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monotheistic philosophy, which came out of Judaism. So I think
when we start slowing down and really understanding our individual
faith will find meaning in that, as I did with
my faith. I knew this about the Tora, but it
wasn't until I started thinking about liminality that that made.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I believe that when we start taking a good look
at our own religious philosophies, we're going to find out
that we all have the same roots. You know, it's
just the same encyclopedia set, except everybody's got different volumes.
But when you put the volumes together, you've got the
complete set.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Right.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
And somewhere along the way, we got duped into believing
that we can't sit together, we can't look at them
or nationalism used as religion as a great divider is
a great manipulation.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Tool, and there are those in power that use religion
as a weapon thinkstly now here we are in the
twenty twenty first century and we're still looking at religion
as a means to weaponize and use against people.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I really think that we are evolving out of that.
It's a slow drift, but I'm seeing it as an
interfaith activist. You know, there are few studies, and I've
seen a few of them over the last two decades
that I've been in inter faithful activist interfaith activists that
have proven that the fastest growing identity is none an one.
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We're losing our youth. Religion is losing its youth because
it's just not it just doesn't hold water anymore. You know,
we're growing a whole new human being.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
I was talking to a high school student. I'm interviewing
some women for my book, and I was interviewing this
high school student and who is wiser beyond measure and
wiser than me, And yeah, what was coming from her?
I could never imagine just the way their brains work.
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They've just grown up different with technology and computers, and
you know, they're using more of their left and right brain.
We've been so left brain and it's time we move
back into our right brain.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I agree with you one hundred percent. In fact, here
in Ontario, it was just an bounced that the Minister
of Education said no more cell phones in schools. Uh huh,
it's it's ruining. People are paying more attention, you know,
people spend what is it. I think there was a
survey that was put up. People spend ninety two percent
of their day looking down at their cell phones than
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they do anything else. Oh sure, ninety yeah, you know.
And our grandson, one of the fifteen, was over at
the house the other day and my wife was it
was somebody's birthday, so she was writing out the birthday card.
My grandson said, what are you doing? My voice says,
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I'm writing out Stephanie a birthday card. And she says, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know that, grandma, But how do you write like that?
And he's in grade six? Yeah, they don't use drive anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
He lost me at fifteen grandkids.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Okay, oh wait a minute, there's also two great grands children.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
Oh wow, bless your heart.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
My I don't even know if my thirty five year
old daughter can properly address an envelope. And she doesn't
need to. I mean, she's brilliant, she's smart.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
And after her mom.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Huh, but oh well, actually she can because I made
them do that in school. Whatever. But anyway, we are
growing different human being right now and we really need
to get out of their way.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
And you know, the reason rock.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
That I'm an interfaith active is it is not because
I'm interested in the faith traditions.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I mean I am.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I love to know where people, what makes people tick,
what makes them think.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I did this.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I started this organization or women's interfaith organization, which was
formerly called Sarah the Spiritual and Religious Lines for Hope,
Sarah the Mother of All Nations. And at the morning
of nine to eleven where I heard gather women when
I saw what we were all seeing on the news,
and I knew that you know, where do you go
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to affect change? And you go to the heart, and
how do you impact you know, where can you find
a critical mass in one space that are all facing
the same direction places of worship and who are all
informed and motivated inspired by the teachings of that church
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and particularly the rabbi or the minister, the reverend, what
have you, leader, what have you? And that sort of change.
I really believe change happens in that way. And I
did a lot of community building, and there's lots of
interfaith councils around the community that I'm still semi active in,
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and women coming together and having honest conversations is really
critical when we can dismiss antle the fear that has
been used to manipulate us and see our common bond
of love and compassion too. As a compassion activist, I
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still am. I train, I do workshops on compassion, integrity training,
and the core values of compassion are really, as Darwin
would tell us, is required for our survival. When he
said survival of the fittest, he wasn't referring to the
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biggest in meanus with the sharpest teeth, the one that
kills them all. He was referring to the fittest in
terms of character, the most adaptable and compassionate.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
He wrote volumes on that. So that's where we can go.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
And I don't mind telling you on the Women's Task
Force for the Parliament of the World's Religions. This major
conference that moves around the world every four or five years,
and this last conference was in Chicago. About seven thousand
people came, usually get up to ten thousand. This is
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not you know, coming right off of COVID or a
couple of years after COVID, we understood the drop in attendance,
but it doesn't matter. I thought, Okay, what are we
going to do to really implore this community. We've got
everybody under one roof. I know, let's build a women's village.
And that is what has really catapulted me. It launched
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me into a whole new liminality of really understanding why
it's so important for women to take the helm our
endigious wisdom will have offhicized.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Sandy, I've got to take my break. Please doan buy.
I apologize, but I want to talk to you about
your woman's village when I come back, because I think
it's a fascinating concept and I'm I love what you've
done and if there's any way we can help you
get to where you need to go, just let me know.
I'll be there for you. Stand by. This is the
Xcell and I'm Rob McConnell. Sandy Hart and I return
on the other side as we continue on the Xcell
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Broadcast Network and on your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty
streaming Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
Speaker 10 (40:16):
Yeah, she steals like a thief, but she's always a
woman and to me.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
She takes care officers.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Cool.
Speaker 11 (40:41):
Now, Don John, it's not good to go back in time.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I'm welcome to.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Same and welcome back everyone. This is the last segment
of a Tonight's show. I'd like to thank all our
guests tonight, as well as all the different affiliates that
are carrying their show around the world and into the
great beyond, including our newest affiliate, wv e X one
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oh five point three in Midland, Michigan. And if you'd
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you would like to listen to any of the other
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And if you have an idea of a show that
you would like to produce or have done here with us,
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That's admin at relashmar dot com, and they'll trickle it
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down to one of the producers. We'll get a hold
of you and discuss it. You know, how we can
help each other to make this a better world, because
if you're not part of the solution, you're part of
the problem. Sandy Hert's my special guest. Sandy. First of all,
thank you so much for coming on the show. I
love what you're doing, and gosh, I'm glad you're doing it.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Thank you, thank you for giving me a place for
my voice to be heard, and thank you for being
such a generous host.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
And you're inside in your wisdom, and please give your
wife a great big hug for me.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
I certainly will, Sandy, I certainly will. You know you
and I have something else in common. The reason I
started this show over thirty five years ago was because
I wanted to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Now.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
I was a police officer for a number of years,
but because I came down with something, I came down
with the degenerative hip, so I couldn't be a policeman anymore.
So there were three things I wanted to do when
I was a kid. I wanted to be in a
rock and roll band, which I was. I wanted to
be a cop, which I was. And my mom was
(43:29):
an inspiration to me in broadcasting because she worked at
c kgvan Montreal. She was a bit actor on a
CFCFTV in Montreal, and I said, well, no, gosh, garn it,
I've got to get into broadcasting. And everybody said yeah, sure,
But anyway I did. And the entire premise of the
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X Zone and all the other shows we do at
Realmar which is our corporate company, and the publications that
we do, is to make one difference in one person's
life each and every day. That's it. To make a
positive difference and to let people know what is out there,
(44:13):
to let people know that even though they may feel
that they've got this belief that they got to hide
in a closet because they're afraid to say anything about it,
I'd like to give them the farm where they hear
other people and they don't feel so isolated, they don't
feel alone. I wish I had a dime for every
(44:36):
time I heard, well you know what, Rob, I thought
I was alone. No one's alone. You just have to
listen and you'll always find somebody who's willing to listen
to you. And that's the secret that I don't understand
why more interviewers don't understand. Everyone has a story, give
them the opportunity to tell it. So this is what
(45:00):
we do, and this is what you do.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
Well, it sounds like you've accepted your marching orders on
your sacred task and you're doing it brilliantly. Because it
takes all of us to show up in a meaningful way.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
There are time, Sandy, when I tried to get out
of this business, and it's like Fate says, uh ah, no, no, no, no,
get back to it. Yeah, and I've decided that, Hey,
I'm making a difference. I'm making people happy. I'm doing
the best I can to serve my communities, and I'm
(45:35):
giving people a voice, a way to get their message
out there. So yeah, okay, Fate, I understand. I'm not
going to interrupt you anymore. Carry on, McDuff.
Speaker 7 (45:47):
Yeah, And that's what it's all about. From strength to strength,
from generation to generation. This is what we owe each other.
Nobody is immune from being connected to anybody else.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
Nobody exists on this plan it alone.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
And when and when we operate in a condition of
enlightened self interest, meaning what I with an understanding, when
I what I when I'm doing what makes me come alive?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Is good for.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
You, and what I do for you is good for
me as well. Where it's mutually a beneficial expression. Then
imagine a world where everybody did that. There would be
there would you know, there would be balance in our society.
This is what feminine leadership is, whether you're gendered male
(46:39):
or female, or don't identify at all. It's feminine leadership
when your collaborative, cooperative and practice this condition of enlightened
self interest.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Because we have to take care of ourselves.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Too, I understand that. But you know what, also, why
I think that a lot of this is coming to
the surface now is because man and other people are realizing.
Number one, we're all the same. Get rid of the
different pigment in our skins. We're all the same. There
is no different looking person on the inside. We're all
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the same. We all live on this beautiful planet. And
ladies have always been nurturing and caring of their children
and other children, you know, like gosh, you know, my
wife feeds the neighborhood when they come over to play
with the kids and the grandchildren. You know, because you
take responsibility and are you your brother's keeper? You're done right?
(47:39):
You are? We all have to take responsibility. And I
think that is why it's Mother Earth, not Father Earth.
Mother Earth.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
Yeah, well, you know, like Earth, we are the givers
of life. Yes, we are the sustainers of life. Our
womb is the first ocean.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
All life comes through us. And so when we accept
that responsibility and that privilege, and we hold our shoulders
back and our chin up and we we we honor ourselves,
that's where it begins. That's why, that's why, that's why,
(48:29):
you know, the days of pounding the pavement and pumping
our fist and demanding equality. Well, of course there needs
to be you know, balance, There needs to be parody
because men and women aren't the same. We're built differently.
We have different roles to pro create life and we
there's different conditions, you know.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
Yet parody means equal access. So when we all have equal.
Speaker 7 (48:57):
Access, and what keeps us, what keeps system of domination
and play is fear, you know, and so just the
question is why what's the fear?
Speaker 6 (49:08):
What will happen if.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
You know?
Speaker 6 (49:12):
Oh, well, let's look back on eras where women were.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
We're at the we're at the helm, you know these
before the break I was mentioning and you got me
all excited, So I wasn't paying attention of the time
that according to indigenous wisdom, the staff has been passed
to the feminine, not the woman, the feminine and because women,
the gendered women embodies that feminine naturally, because it's we
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needed to care for our young, feed our young, have
more babies, and so on, and just our nature some
things that are absolutely women's nature. That we own that helm,
that we own that staff.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
And we we.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Start, we start believing it.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
For ourselves and then see what happens.
Speaker 7 (50:14):
Here's a here's a really cool practice. And this is
great for women to do because it just demonstrates, Oh,
I use the word, it demonstrates the system of domination
in a different way. But everybody, I invite everybody to
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take the word j U s t just out of
your vocabulary. It's sort of like that word, but it
discounts what you're what you just said, I love you.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
But ye.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Just does the exact same thing. Yet, Oh, I.
Speaker 7 (50:51):
Just want to call you, or I just want to
say something, or just that's just saying. It's almost asking
permission or it's dismissive, like for give me. Certainly I speak,
you know, it's and that's that's a condition, that's the
cellular memory that we carry.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
That's the baggage we have to do work on. And
you know what, it's not a sweech you can turn
on and off.
Speaker 7 (51:13):
You you know, perhaps you'll be a little bit more
aware of it now that.
Speaker 6 (51:16):
You've heard this conversation. But there's practice. Practice is really important.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
The liminal odysty does have practices that are But anytime
you practice anything you want to change, you're changing the
chemistry in your brain. You're actually rewiring your brain, creating
new neural pathways where it becomes a habit, where it
becomes part of who you are. And that's how you
impact the collective because you're creating a whole new culture
(51:44):
that it starts with you. And culture is nothing more
than a collective agreement from everybody. So what are we
going to do to start showing up in our power?
And I want I want the gendered mel to do
the same thing and drop the fear and take a
look at that wounded ness, especially white men, because white
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men have been carrying so much since the Inquisition. There's
a heavy load. We can go on and on, but
generally speaking, this is why I wanted to build a
village in the middle of the world's religions, into the epicenter,
the root all of that system of domination where the
religions are, to create a space. Thirteen hundred square feet
(52:34):
it was the amount we got, and boy did we use.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
Every ounce of it.
Speaker 7 (52:39):
And people would say, God, the error is different in
here than it is out there. And we didn't have
any big walls. We did have a container, we did
have something that created a divider between us and the
rest of the convention and the foyer there, but we
didn't have anything that would have created like it wasn't
a closed room.
Speaker 6 (52:59):
The texture in the air was different. It just was different.
And then we're coming in there and sitting down taking naps,
playing their guitars that they might have brought her flut
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Sandy, I hate to do this, but we've just run
up time for tonight here. You'll have to come back, Sandy.
You'll have to come back because we still have so
much to talk about. Sandy, take care. Thank you very
much for joining us in Dexone Nation. If you'd like
to visit Sandy's website, which I urge you to do.
Liminal Odyssey dot com. Well that's it for tonight. I'll
be back tomorrow night at ten o'clock is once again
(53:31):
we cross the time space continuum to this place that
I call the xone. So until tomorrow night, my friends
who are listening to us on the XON Broadcast Network
Classic twelve twenties and of course streaming Classic twelve twenty
dot CA always remembered to keep your eyes to the
sky and your heart in the light. Good Night everyone.
Speaker 9 (53:48):
You don't have to go home, but your ten stay
ye
Speaker 2 (54:00):
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