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Speaker 3 (01:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:40):
And welcome to the Xcell everyone. My name is Rob
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Ex Oonation. My first guest. This evening is Sanjac Pateel,
and he is the author of a book entitled God
Is Real. The Stunning NW Convergence of Science and Spirituality.
And you know, exponation has been dreamt about for thousands
(02:22):
of years. It's been pondered by the greatest thinkers, It's
been searched by all the faithful throughout time. Now we
have it definite evidence for God. Now over one hundred
stunning new convergences of science and spirituality actually show that
God does exist. The science versus spirituality debate is over. Well,
(02:45):
that's according to my guest this hour. And Sanja Patell
is a pioneer of the exciting new field of comparative cosmology.
An acclaimed and respected scholar, his research has appeared in
international and peer reviewed scientific journals. Subjects of his study
include theology, Sanskrit, and ancient cosmology. He studied in a
(03:07):
traditional setting as a monk at an ashram in India
and is a lifetime practitioner of yoga and meditation. Now
here's the website you're going to want, www dot sanjcpatel
dot com. And that's s A n JA y C.
That's the alphabet C P A T, e l dot Com.
(03:29):
Joining me now from Houston, Texas is SANJ Pattel and
Sanj Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Thank you very much, Rob for having me on your show.
I really appreciate it, Sanj.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The debate is over. How is the scientific community and
the spiritual community taking the fact that, hey, God does exist?
The debate is over. Let's move on.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I think that the debate is over from the point
of view of when skeptics or atheists argue that there
is not a shred of evidence or scientific evidence that
demonstrate God exists, and when they say that that part
of it is over because now we do have objective evidence.
(04:17):
We do have evidence within ancient scripture. This scripture contains
information that should not be there, information that has been
derived by science or by scientists using state of the
art equipment, highly complex theorems and mathematical models. And the
(04:44):
conclusions which have been drawn by these scientists in the
present day were drawn by ancient people thousands of years
ago and in great detail, and it demands an explanation.
The only nation which is really one which we can
believe and is the spiritual explanation. There is no way
(05:10):
those ancient sages and Yogis of India and of Israel
could have known what they knew without the use of
scientific apparatus, and they didn't have that. So how did
they do it? The conclusion must be that they in
some way transcended the scientific method. They found a way
(05:32):
by passing the scientific method and directly reaching out or
into the universe and acquiring its secrets.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
All right, Sanja, please stand by you and I have
to take a two minute commercial break. We'll be right back.
Ex oonation. Very interesting hour worth, a very interesting man.
Sanjay Patel is my special guest. He's the author of
God Israel, the stunning new convergent of science and Spirituality.
His website www dot sanjc Patel dot and don't forget
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(06:02):
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Pattel and I return in two minutes. Don't go away
(07:02):
and welcome back everyone. The X one with Here'stroli, Rob
mcconough and my special guest this hour, Sanja Petel. We're
talking about Sanjai's new book. It's entitled God Is Real.
The Stunning New Convergence of Science and Spirituality www dot
Sansea c Patel dot com. Sanji, what started you on
your quest? What was the what was the the the
(07:27):
question or what was it that happened in your life
that brought you to the point where you decided that
you were going to study this and you were going
to try and make sense of it and present what
you found over the last twenty years. I believe two
people around the world.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's really quite amazing in fact that it began in
my early years when I was a monk in India,
and I had always been a skeptic insect of a
convergence between science and spirituality. I was of the opinion
that spirituality was indeed correct, but that it would be
(08:08):
so exotic that they would never ever be any form
of comprehensive convergence between science and spirituality. I mean, spirituality
will always be just too esoteric to come under the
field of anything which is scientific. And that's where it began.
So I began as a skeptic as such of this field.
(08:29):
But my teacher his holiness from a simaraj at the Ashrom.
He told me study science and spirituality. And in my mind,
I said, well, okay, you're saying so, so I'll look
into it, but I don't believe there's any such convergence. Extraordinarily,
(08:50):
in nineteen eighty seven, a US international journal found its
way to the usherm. The US room is very secludive.
It's in the middle of nowhere, and this journal managed
to find its way there, and I was just flicking
through it and I found something really stunning. There was
an article on submarine volcanoes, and it spoke about these
(09:15):
volcanoes and that they actually associated with hydro thermal vents,
and that the fluid which is ejected from these vents
deep beneath the ocean, about one and a half miles
beneath the ocean surface, is very hot and it's been
(09:37):
sucked in from the ocean. And now, actually this is
associated with something which ancient Yogis have spoken about many
thousands of years earlier. Scientists have discovered hydro thermal vents
in nineteen seventy seven, only after using the state of
the art submersible Alvin and they dive deep into the ocean,
(10:00):
the Galilee Goos Islands in the Pacific Ocean. That's when
they discovered these hot vents in this disgushing water coming
out of these vents. Nineteen seventy seven. And I had
known that ancient Yogis had described something very similar, but
they had described it a thousand BC, so we're talking
(10:20):
about descriptions three thousand years old. And so that's when
I said, Wow, this is something amazing, and we actually
we sent a letter. I had a physicist friend who
was also a monk, a colleague saw from London, and
together we sent a letter to the author of this
article in the US Journal and we said, you know,
(10:43):
our ancient scripture contained similar descriptions, but they also say
that the water emerging from these friends has been depleted
of its salt. That means its fault content has been reduced.
And he wrote back. The scientist wrote back, I guess
that it must have been some eightist or some skeptic,
but very Curtvey. He wrote back, and he said, there
(11:04):
is no convergence between what your ancient scripture says and
what modern science says. And he said that, but in
my mind I was always skeptical. I'm saying, look, we
already have this much convergence. All we need now is
to find out the chemistry of the water that emerges
from the vents. If it really is depleted of its salt,
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then we really have a convergence. And in nineteen eighty nine,
in the very same US journal, there was another article
and it actually spoke about it, and it said that
the water emerging from hydro thermal events is depleted one
hundred percent of magnesium, salts and other salts, sodium chloride.
(11:46):
Between five and ninety five percent is depleted, depending on
the kind of vent. And would you believe this, rob
that ancient Yoga literature describes submarine volcanoes with hydro thermal
event systems. These volcanic systems drink the ocean's water. It
hits the water and ejects that water, and that water
(12:07):
is depleted of its salt. And this is something which
has been said three thousand BC, and there have been
There are sixteen convergencies. I get think are just the
three major ones which I've just reiterated before you, But
there are actually sixteen convergencies. With hydrothermal events and oceanographers.
When I submitted to them, they were just amazed. And
(12:28):
this was the first time that any convergence between science
and spirituality got published in a mainstream journal. So they
got published in India as well as in England and
as well as in China. So three peer review journals
published these converts.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'd like to read something from section one in the
chapter that's entitled Volcanoes under the Sea. It is surprising
that for four decades after men landed on the Moon
a quarter of a million miles away, scientists still know
little about the seafloor located just a few miles beneath
the ocean surface. Why is this? For starters? The most
(13:03):
immediate challenge for researchers is the immense water depth separating
ships from the seafloor. On the average, the oceans are
twelve thousand feet deep. Well, the deepest ocean trench is
located beneath thirty six thousand feet of water. The depth
of this depth is roughly equivalent to the elevation I'm sorry,
(13:25):
elevation at which the modern aircraft cruise above the Earth.
You know, I couldn't agree with you more it seems
that for some reason, Sanjay, maybe you might be able
to answer this, why are we more interested in what's
on or in the sky or on another planet instead
of what's on this planet? And there's so much more
(13:47):
to investigate and uncover and discover here.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's right. I mean, it's really quite amazing. I mean,
a couple of years back, and I've heard on your
show to the discussion that NASA has just some life
forms which are based on arsenic, which is very poisonous,
and this was found in some lakes in California. So
I mean, we're looking for kind of extraterrestrial life, but
(14:11):
in a way, similar stuff is right here on our
own earth, although of course it seems to have evolved here.
So one of the reasons why is that water is
far more difficult to conquer than air and space. The
pressure of water is really crushing. At just one and
(14:32):
a half miles or two miles of water on top
of your head, and the pressure is equal to two
tons per square inch. Even military submarines don't go that deep.
They can't. You need a scientific vessel which has really
been purposely constructed to counter that kind of pressure. And
(14:52):
that's why we've been very slow to go there to
the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now you say that Genesis in the Bible also corresponds
with modern science, how is that?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Sangely this is one of the things that really blew
me away. As I was a skeptic, as I said,
of a convergence between science and spirituality, I began also
as a skeptic between a convergence between world religions. And
here I found that there's a convergence between ancient yoga literature,
(15:25):
the cosmology described in ancient yoga literature, and the cosmology
of Genesis. There is definitely a connection between the two
ancient India and ancient Israel. And that's what threw a
lot of light onto Genesis and what enabled me to
understand what Genesis is really all about. And the yoga
(15:45):
literature let me just if I can just divert for
a movernment has very very similar descriptions as Genesis, but
they're far more detailed, and those details enabled me to
compare it very satisfactory really with our galaxy. More than
sixty convergences of the cosmos described by ancient yokies. Convergence
(16:08):
with our galaxy and our universe more than sixty. And
so this insight helped me to look at Genesis in
a new way. And I'm very confident that Genesis actually
describes not planet Earth, not the evolution of life with
the creation of planet Earth, but the evolution of life
in our Milky Way galaxy. And it is there are
(16:32):
seventeen convergencies with the Milky Way galaxy and the evolution
of life within it compared with Genesis. So that's what
I've seen. Genesis is a synopsis of a milk of
the convert of a description of the evolution of our
Milky Way galaxy.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So we could we say Genesis is actually the biblical
proof that the Big Bang theory is right absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I mean, this is something which has also been overlooked.
Many Biblical scholars have noticed that the very first word
of Genesis Bettership implies creation ex nihilo or something out
of nothing. It implies that, I mean, it's not written explicitly,
but the verb for creation in that first word of
(17:26):
Genesis is very different from the word for creation used
elsewhere in the Bible, and it kind of implies that
what God creates is in a way different from what
man creates. So they've inferred this or they've implied that
it shows a different form of creation from nothing from
ex Nihilo. And we can confirm this by taking the
(17:51):
age of Genesis is six days. Right, the Bible in
two places talks about each day being much longer than
a human day or a solar day. And if we
take the age of the universe, which is known today
to be thirteen point seven billions with a years old,
and we divide it simply by six days, we can
(18:14):
find out the meant of what each day in Genesis
should be. And again, this is very comparative to yoga literature,
which also uses the word day in terms of eons.
The yoga literature the cosmos of the Yogis, also describes
the creation in the days, but the Yogis explicitly say
that it isn't solar days, but cosmic days, which are
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far longer in billions of years.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All right, Sanji, I hate to do this, my friend,
but you and I have to take a news break
and listen to a couple of commercials from the Fine
people like keep the show on the air. Interesting topic, Sanjay,
really interesting stand by my friend. Ex onation Sanjay Patella
is our special guest. He's the author of a fascinating book.
As you're listening to the author talk about it right now,
(18:58):
God is Real, the stunning new convergence of science and
spirituality www dot Sanjay C. Patel dot com. We'll be
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(24:00):
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Sanjay's the author of God Is Reel, The Stunning New
convergence of science and Spirituality. His website is www dot
sanjcptel dot com and Sanja is a pioneer of the
exciting new field of comparative cosmology. An acclaimed unrespected scholar,
(24:22):
his research has appeared in international and peer reviewed scientific journals.
Subjects of his study include theology, Sanskrit, and ancient cosmology.
He studied at a traditional setting as a monk at
an ashram in India and his lifetime practitioner of yoga
and meditation. Once again, his website www dot sanjcptel dot com.
(24:45):
His book is God Is Real, The Stunning New Convergence
of science and Spirituality. All right, So when we look
at when we look at the Bible, how should how
should we look at it? Should we look at it inverbatim?
Or should we look at it with a deeper understanding
of what people were actually talking about way back then?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
You're right, we need to look at it with a
much deeper understanding. If we just look at it at
the surface and with a preconceived viewpoint, then we're not
going to get the answers. If we look at Genesis
and we just say, oh, we've got creation in six days,
(25:26):
not seven days. We have the seventh days when God
is supposed to have rested, So we have creation in
six days, and then you can just people do laugh
and they just toss it out. But if we wait
a moment and just consider that each day could be
something other than a solar day, and if we just
consider that, then that opens out a whole new horizon,
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and we were able to see something else within Genesis,
something that we couldn't see before. And this is what
I touched on. The meaning of the word day is
so crucial in Genesis the soliday, just as it is
not the Soliday in ancient yoga literature. It's an eon
billions of years old. And I can demonstrate that, yeah,
(26:11):
we take thirteen point seven billion years at the age
of the universe. This has been tied down by modern
science very very well. It would take you know, five
percent for thirteen point seven divided by six, and that
means each day of Genesis, which is an eon should
(26:31):
be two point two eight three billion years or long.
That's billion with a bee. So we can round that
up two point three billion years long, and we can
then verify this. Are there convergences. Yes, The most easiest
and the most outstanding one is the age of the sun.
(26:52):
In Genesis, the sun moon appear at the end of
day four. Okay, this is now so simple. Each day
of Genesis is two point three billion years long, so
we go backwards today when day seven go backwards, so
day six and day five are in between us and
(27:15):
the creation of the Sun. That means the Sun should
be four point six billion years old according to genesism.
That's if we divide it by six remember, and we
get each day. And indeed, modern science says that the
Sun is four point six billion years old. This is
not a chance of freak phenomenon. This is something which
(27:37):
goes beyond chance. And if you look at all the
other days as well in Genesis, the previous three days
and the ensuing two days, they all match with evolution
of life. For the evolution of our galaxy, it is tremendous.
It fits like a glove, so it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Sounds like Darwin was right and creationists are wrong.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yes, in that sense. Darwin was wrong only in the
sense that if he believed it all happened through chance
as just totally blind. As far as the Oogies of
India and the Sages of Israel were concerned, nothing happens
by chance. It happens for a reason. And there is
(28:20):
a divine transcendental power or energy in the universe that
is guiding in the background, unseen, but guiding everything that
happens in this universe. So yes, everything happened according to
what Darwin of Knight have said, or what cosmologists may
(28:40):
be saying today. But not by chance. It happened because
it was guided that way.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Who guided it?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You can call that element God, You can call it Issuer,
you can call it Baguan, you can call it any
You can just call it divine energy, whatever you like to.
According to the into Yogis, God is so indescribable, so immense,
that there are no words to describe him or her
or it or whatever goes beyond the mind. But we
(29:12):
have to begin somewhere. We have to say something exists,
we have to give it some sort of a name. So,
according to the different traditions of the world. People have
chosen different names, and they've focused on different aspects of God.
God is so tremendous, full of infinity, of sublime qualities.
(29:35):
We can only count a few. We can only count compassion, mercy, love,
you know a few things like that. But there's so
much which goes beyond the human mind.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right, let me ask you this, and Jay, maybe
this is another question you could help me to find
an answer for sure. In Bible, in Genesis, it says,
and God said, let us create man in our image,
in our likeness. Number one? Does that mean that since
we were created in God's likeness, in his image, that
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we are part of God? And number two? Who is
the we he was talking about? Who is the r
image that he's talking about?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Fantastic question of Okay, can I just start with the
second one? Because of the we part. Yes, I'm not
absolutely sure about this, but I'm pretty sure about it
that the wei part is part of the English translation.
So we have we. It's kind of just a royal language,
like the queen might say we are not amused instead
(30:39):
of saying I so as such, I think that's part
of the translation into English. When it says we, But
actually God in the Bible is singular when it says
and you know, he saw that it was good and
let it be et cetera, et cetera. That's part of
how it's been translated. But God is singular. There the
(31:00):
first question which you asked about God creating man in
his own image, there are two ways of looking at this.
Number one is the physical creation of man. That means
the two legs, two hands, the eyes, and so according
to some yogis, and I would say stage is two.
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God actually has a divine form, not made of anything,
not made out of space, time or any material. It's
just consciousness. It's a divine form. But it does look
human in the sense it has two arms, two eyes,
two legs, all the rest of it, but not human
(31:43):
and not material, transcendental divine matter. So that's one way
of looking. And the second way is think is that
God created us similar to him in essence, that we
arise from God and then we back into God.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
So how do we explay I'm sorry, sir, go ahead there.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, So basically we are divine in essence. We we
our souls as well, are eternal. They do not die
and we we have divine attributes related within our souls,
within our imner selves, and we are not as as
human or as mortal as we think we are. We
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are far bigger than we can imagine. We are far
greater than we can even imagine. So in that sense
we are near to God, close to God, in the
image of God.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
All right, So does then the eternal factor of our
being work hand in hand with reincarnation?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yes? Absolutely, according to our government or this anglicized pronunciation
is karma, people say, so according to our government our actions,
we move on to further births, and that those births
are basically our reincarnation, we being the same soul, but
(33:06):
moving in after this birth into another, another body, and
then into another and into another according to our action.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So would this also? Would this also explain the the
the biblical claim of the second coming of Christ is
this Christ being reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
With with spiritual figures. See we uh. It works two ways.
But with a normal soul. We are not in charge
of what we become in our next birth. We become
according to what our actions are.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I see.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
So according to actions we may we cannot choose what
we are going to, what we will become. We will
become according to our actions. So equals every action as
an equal, an opposite reaction whatever. Yeah, that way for
normal souls. But for some very very powerful spiritual beings,
those who are enlightened, they can choose, and they can
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choose how many times they want to return or not return,
and which whatever form they want to return in, they
can choose. So as it would be for a powerful,
powerful soul like Jesus, he wouldn't be actually really incarnated
in the sense because of his actions, but because of
his choice. So that's the distinction between us and powerful
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spiritual beings.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
But let me ask you this, son Jay, if I may,
how did the ancients acquire this all knowing knowledge? If
not through rational thinking or speculation, it.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Was through the power of meditation. That this meditation is
not just Eastern it's not just a part of yoga.
Meditation is when you sit still and you just ponder
upon God, you ponder within you, silence the mind, and
you just let every sound from the universe enter into
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your soul. When the mind is silent, that's when the
soul can really hear things from the farthest distances. And
so meditation is to something which has been practiced throughout
the world by any sage like person. So yes, the
Jogies or the stages of Israel, we're able to acquire
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this information not through any technological instrumentation, not through mathematics,
through philosophy, but simply stilling the mind and letting the
information flow into them. So that's how they got this
information about the universe, about the soul, about God, about
all of these things. You can get that information if
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you just still the mind.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Silence it all right, Sanjay, please stand by you and
I have to take our final break explanation if you'd
like to know more about what we're talking about. Sanja
has written a great book, and by the way, sign
j thank you very much for sending me a copy.
God is Real, the stunning new convergence of science and spirituality.
His website is www dot sanjc Patel dot com. That's
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s A N J A Y the letter C P
A T E l dot com. Sanjay and I will
be back on the other side of this commercial break
as the X one continues with your Strollie Rob McConnell
from our studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, who.
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Kimmy explanation, my guess this hour. Sanjay Patel, his book
is God Is Real, the stunning new convergence of science
and spirituality. Here's the website www dot sanj C. Patel
dot com. Sanjay, first of all, thank you for m
(38:00):
much for joining us. It's been a great hour. And
is there extraterrestrial life as people talk about, you know,
flying saucers, little gray men, men from Mars, little green men?
What is the spiritual scientific thought on that?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Sciences speculative on this, but most scientists are fairly convinced
that there has to be life elsewhere. Of course it
hasn't yet been demonstrated, but just statistically on a statistical
basis and how the universe works. They believe that the
world must be the universe must be filled with life.
(38:40):
But ancient Yogis and sages of Israel did believe in
other worlds which had life. This is amazing. The ancient
yogi speak about it all over the place. I mean
ancient yoga literature contains so many passages which talk about
life elsewhere in the u and Sodas ancient biblical literature
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as well. The Helmut talks about God creating eighteen thousand
worlds and all of them contain creatures, and God defends
there to sport with his creatures. So we looked by
at least eighteen thousand which are mentioned in the Bible
apart from planet Earth. So yes, even from the Biblical
tradition we can see that there is extrateroristural life. And
(39:27):
in the Yogic tradition too there is extrateroristural life. And
the second part which you asked about UFOs and things
like that coming to this planet, there's one very very
interesting passage which I read. It's from eighteen twenty six,
so this is again a pre scientific era. And a
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sage called swam in Orion in India was sitting with
the congregation in front of him in the evening and
at that time a great ball of light, a sphere
of life, descended in the sky above the congregation. And
this is the first I believe, documented mass sighting of
a ufo in India, if I'm not mistaken. And in
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this first documented mass sighting over Ufo. This spear then
divided into three and flew away into the sky. And
the congregation was just astounded, and they asked the Yogi.
They said, what was that? And he said that Drummer, Vishnu,
and Shiva. You might have heard of these three, Yes,
(40:33):
of course, yes, they come every day through this planet.
Today you have seen them.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Sanjay, we've run out of time. I hate to do
this to my friend. We'll have to have you back
on in the very near future. Thank you very much.
Congratulations on a wonderful book and ex O Nation. Go
to his website get a copy of this book. It's
filled with interesting facts and it's going to make you
think spirituality and converged. The debate is over. God is real,
(41:04):
as the title of the book. Sanjay C. Patel is
my guest to this hour and his website www dot
snjcpatel dot com. I'll be back on the other side
of the news at six and a half minutes past
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Ex Oonation. My first guest. This evening is Sanjac Pateel,
and he is the author of a book entitled God
Is Real. The Stunning NW Convergence of Science and Spirituality.
And you know, exponation has been dreamt about for thousands
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of years. It's been pondered by the greatest thinkers, It's
been searched by all the faithful throughout time. Now we
have it definite evidence for God. Now over one hundred
stunning new convergences of science and spirituality actually show that
God does exist. The science versus spirituality debate is over. Well,
(02:45):
that's according to my guest this hour. And Sanja Patell
is a pioneer of the exciting new field of comparative cosmology.
An acclaimed and respected scholar, his research has appeared in
international and peer reviewed scientific journals. Subjects of his study
include theology, Sanskrit, and ancient cosmology. He studied in a
(03:07):
traditional setting as a monk at an ashram in India
and is a lifetime practitioner of yoga and meditation. Now
here's the website you're going to want, www dot sanjcpatel
dot com. And that's s A n JA y C.
That's the alphabet C P A T, e l dot Com.
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Joining me now from Houston, Texas is SANJ Pattel and
Sanj Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Thank you very much, Rob for having me on your show.
I really appreciate it, Sanj.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The debate is over. How is the scientific community and
the spiritual community taking the fact that, hey, God does exist?
The debate is over. Let's move on.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I think that the debate is over from the point
of view of when skeptics or atheists argue that there
is not a shred of evidence or scientific evidence that
demonstrate God exists, and when they say that that part
of it is over because now we do have objective evidence.
(04:17):
We do have evidence within ancient scripture. This scripture contains
information that should not be there, information that has been
derived by science or by scientists using state of the
art equipment, highly complex theorems and mathematical models. And the
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conclusions which have been drawn by these scientists in the
present day were drawn by ancient people thousands of years
ago and in great detail, and it demands an explanation.
The only nation which is really one which we can
believe and is the spiritual explanation. There is no way
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those ancient sages and Yogis of India and of Israel
could have known what they knew without the use of
scientific apparatus, and they didn't have that. So how did
they do it? The conclusion must be that they in
some way transcended the scientific method. They found a way
(05:32):
by passing the scientific method and directly reaching out or
into the universe and acquiring its secrets.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
All right, Sanja, please stand by you and I have
to take a two minute commercial break. We'll be right back.
Ex oonation. Very interesting hour worth, a very interesting man.
Sanjay Patel is my special guest. He's the author of
God Israel, the stunning new convergent of science and Spirituality.
His website www dot sanjc Patel dot and don't forget
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Pattel and I return in two minutes. Don't go away
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and welcome back everyone. The X one with Here'stroli, Rob
mcconough and my special guest this hour, Sanja Petel. We're
talking about Sanjai's new book. It's entitled God Is Real.
The Stunning New Convergence of Science and Spirituality www dot
Sansea c Patel dot com. Sanji, what started you on
your quest? What was the what was the the the
(07:27):
question or what was it that happened in your life
that brought you to the point where you decided that
you were going to study this and you were going
to try and make sense of it and present what
you found over the last twenty years. I believe two
people around the world.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's really quite amazing in fact that it began in
my early years when I was a monk in India,
and I had always been a skeptic insect of a
convergence between science and spirituality. I was of the opinion
that spirituality was indeed correct, but that it would be
(08:08):
so exotic that they would never ever be any form
of comprehensive convergence between science and spirituality. I mean, spirituality
will always be just too esoteric to come under the
field of anything which is scientific. And that's where it began.
So I began as a skeptic as such of this field.
(08:29):
But my teacher his holiness from a simaraj at the Ashrom.
He told me study science and spirituality. And in my mind,
I said, well, okay, you're saying so, so I'll look
into it, but I don't believe there's any such convergence. Extraordinarily,
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in nineteen eighty seven, a US international journal found its
way to the usherm. The US room is very secludive.
It's in the middle of nowhere, and this journal managed
to find its way there, and I was just flicking
through it and I found something really stunning. There was
an article on submarine volcanoes, and it spoke about these
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volcanoes and that they actually associated with hydro thermal vents,
and that the fluid which is ejected from these vents
deep beneath the ocean, about one and a half miles
beneath the ocean surface, is very hot and it's been
(09:37):
sucked in from the ocean. And now, actually this is
associated with something which ancient Yogis have spoken about many
thousands of years earlier. Scientists have discovered hydro thermal vents
in nineteen seventy seven, only after using the state of
the art submersible Alvin and they dive deep into the ocean,
(10:00):
the Galilee Goos Islands in the Pacific Ocean. That's when
they discovered these hot vents in this disgushing water coming
out of these vents. Nineteen seventy seven. And I had
known that ancient Yogis had described something very similar, but
they had described it a thousand BC, so we're talking
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about descriptions three thousand years old. And so that's when
I said, Wow, this is something amazing, and we actually
we sent a letter. I had a physicist friend who
was also a monk, a colleague saw from London, and
together we sent a letter to the author of this
article in the US Journal and we said, you know,
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our ancient scripture contained similar descriptions, but they also say
that the water emerging from these friends has been depleted
of its salt. That means its fault content has been reduced.
And he wrote back. The scientist wrote back, I guess
that it must have been some eightist or some skeptic,
but very Curtvey. He wrote back, and he said, there
(11:04):
is no convergence between what your ancient scripture says and
what modern science says. And he said that, but in
my mind I was always skeptical. I'm saying, look, we
already have this much convergence. All we need now is
to find out the chemistry of the water that emerges
from the vents. If it really is depleted of its salt,
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then we really have a convergence. And in nineteen eighty nine,
in the very same US journal, there was another article
and it actually spoke about it, and it said that
the water emerging from hydro thermal events is depleted one
hundred percent of magnesium, salts and other salts, sodium chloride.
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Between five and ninety five percent is depleted, depending on
the kind of vent. And would you believe this, rob
that ancient Yoga literature describes submarine volcanoes with hydro thermal
event systems. These volcanic systems drink the ocean's water. It
hits the water and ejects that water, and that water
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is depleted of its salt. And this is something which
has been said three thousand BC, and there have been
There are sixteen convergencies. I get think are just the
three major ones which I've just reiterated before you, But
there are actually sixteen convergencies. With hydrothermal events and oceanographers.
When I submitted to them, they were just amazed. And
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this was the first time that any convergence between science
and spirituality got published in a mainstream journal. So they
got published in India as well as in England and
as well as in China. So three peer review journals
published these converts.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'd like to read something from section one in the
chapter that's entitled Volcanoes under the Sea. It is surprising
that for four decades after men landed on the Moon
a quarter of a million miles away, scientists still know
little about the seafloor located just a few miles beneath
the ocean surface. Why is this? For starters? The most
(13:03):
immediate challenge for researchers is the immense water depth separating
ships from the seafloor. On the average, the oceans are
twelve thousand feet deep. Well, the deepest ocean trench is
located beneath thirty six thousand feet of water. The depth
of this depth is roughly equivalent to the elevation I'm sorry,
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elevation at which the modern aircraft cruise above the Earth.
You know, I couldn't agree with you more it seems
that for some reason, Sanjay, maybe you might be able
to answer this, why are we more interested in what's
on or in the sky or on another planet instead
of what's on this planet? And there's so much more
(13:47):
to investigate and uncover and discover here.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's right. I mean, it's really quite amazing. I mean,
a couple of years back, and I've heard on your
show to the discussion that NASA has just some life
forms which are based on arsenic, which is very poisonous,
and this was found in some lakes in California. So
I mean, we're looking for kind of extraterrestrial life, but
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in a way, similar stuff is right here on our
own earth, although of course it seems to have evolved here.
So one of the reasons why is that water is
far more difficult to conquer than air and space. The
pressure of water is really crushing. At just one and
(14:32):
a half miles or two miles of water on top
of your head, and the pressure is equal to two
tons per square inch. Even military submarines don't go that deep.
They can't. You need a scientific vessel which has really
been purposely constructed to counter that kind of pressure. And
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that's why we've been very slow to go there to
the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now you say that Genesis in the Bible also corresponds
with modern science, how is that?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Sangely this is one of the things that really blew
me away. As I was a skeptic, as I said,
of a convergence between science and spirituality, I began also
as a skeptic between a convergence between world religions. And
here I found that there's a convergence between ancient yoga literature,
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the cosmology described in ancient yoga literature, and the cosmology
of Genesis. There is definitely a connection between the two
ancient India and ancient Israel. And that's what threw a
lot of light onto Genesis and what enabled me to
understand what Genesis is really all about. And the yoga
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literature let me just if I can just divert for
a movernment has very very similar descriptions as Genesis, but
they're far more detailed, and those details enabled me to
compare it very satisfactory really with our galaxy. More than
sixty convergences of the cosmos described by ancient yokies. Convergence
(16:08):
with our galaxy and our universe more than sixty. And
so this insight helped me to look at Genesis in
a new way. And I'm very confident that Genesis actually
describes not planet Earth, not the evolution of life with
the creation of planet Earth, but the evolution of life
in our Milky Way galaxy. And it is there are
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seventeen convergencies with the Milky Way galaxy and the evolution
of life within it compared with Genesis. So that's what
I've seen. Genesis is a synopsis of a milk of
the convert of a description of the evolution of our
Milky Way galaxy.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So we could we say Genesis is actually the biblical
proof that the Big Bang theory is right absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I mean, this is something which has also been overlooked.
Many Biblical scholars have noticed that the very first word
of Genesis Bettership implies creation ex nihilo or something out
of nothing. It implies that, I mean, it's not written explicitly,
but the verb for creation in that first word of
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Genesis is very different from the word for creation used
elsewhere in the Bible, and it kind of implies that
what God creates is in a way different from what
man creates. So they've inferred this or they've implied that
it shows a different form of creation from nothing from
ex Nihilo. And we can confirm this by taking the
(17:51):
age of Genesis is six days. Right, the Bible in
two places talks about each day being much longer than
a human day or a solar day. And if we
take the age of the universe, which is known today
to be thirteen point seven billions with a years old,
and we divide it simply by six days, we can
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find out the meant of what each day in Genesis
should be. And again, this is very comparative to yoga literature,
which also uses the word day in terms of eons.
The yoga literature the cosmos of the Yogis, also describes
the creation in the days, but the Yogis explicitly say
that it isn't solar days, but cosmic days, which are
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far longer in billions of years.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All right, Sanji, I hate to do this, my friend,
but you and I have to take a news break
and listen to a couple of commercials from the Fine
people like keep the show on the air. Interesting topic, Sanjay,
really interesting stand by my friend. Ex onation Sanjay Patella
is our special guest. He's the author of a fascinating book.
As you're listening to the author talk about it right now,
(18:58):
God is Real, the stunning new convergence of science and
spirituality www dot Sanjay C. Patel dot com. We'll be
back on the other side of this commercial break with
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Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I knew in my heart he was.
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He answered to my priends, Oh, I believe there are
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They come to you.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And me.
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In our darkest star wars to show us how of it,
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Ptello is my guest this hour. He's the author of
a book that I believe is going to shake a
lot of belief, both in the scientific community and in
(24:00):
the spiritual community, and in my humble opinion, it's about time.
Sanjay's the author of God Is Reel, The Stunning New
convergence of science and Spirituality. His website is www dot
sanjcptel dot com and Sanja is a pioneer of the
exciting new field of comparative cosmology. An acclaimed unrespected scholar,
(24:22):
his research has appeared in international and peer reviewed scientific journals.
Subjects of his study include theology, Sanskrit, and ancient cosmology.
He studied at a traditional setting as a monk at
an ashram in India and his lifetime practitioner of yoga
and meditation. Once again, his website www dot sanjcptel dot com.
(24:45):
His book is God Is Real, The Stunning New Convergence
of science and Spirituality. All right, So when we look
at when we look at the Bible, how should how
should we look at it? Should we look at it inverbatim?
Or should we look at it with a deeper understanding
of what people were actually talking about way back then?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
You're right, we need to look at it with a
much deeper understanding. If we just look at it at
the surface and with a preconceived viewpoint, then we're not
going to get the answers. If we look at Genesis
and we just say, oh, we've got creation in six days,
(25:26):
not seven days. We have the seventh days when God
is supposed to have rested, So we have creation in
six days, and then you can just people do laugh
and they just toss it out. But if we wait
a moment and just consider that each day could be
something other than a solar day, and if we just
consider that, then that opens out a whole new horizon,
(25:49):
and we were able to see something else within Genesis,
something that we couldn't see before. And this is what
I touched on. The meaning of the word day is
so crucial in Genesis the soliday, just as it is
not the Soliday in ancient yoga literature. It's an eon
billions of years old. And I can demonstrate that, yeah,
(26:11):
we take thirteen point seven billion years at the age
of the universe. This has been tied down by modern
science very very well. It would take you know, five
percent for thirteen point seven divided by six, and that
means each day of Genesis, which is an eon should
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be two point two eight three billion years or long.
That's billion with a bee. So we can round that
up two point three billion years long, and we can
then verify this. Are there convergences. Yes, The most easiest
and the most outstanding one is the age of the sun.
(26:52):
In Genesis, the sun moon appear at the end of
day four. Okay, this is now so simple. Each day
of Genesis is two point three billion years long, so
we go backwards today when day seven go backwards, so
day six and day five are in between us and
(27:15):
the creation of the Sun. That means the Sun should
be four point six billion years old according to genesism.
That's if we divide it by six remember, and we
get each day. And indeed, modern science says that the
Sun is four point six billion years old. This is
not a chance of freak phenomenon. This is something which
(27:37):
goes beyond chance. And if you look at all the
other days as well in Genesis, the previous three days
and the ensuing two days, they all match with evolution
of life. For the evolution of our galaxy, it is tremendous.
It fits like a glove, so it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Sounds like Darwin was right and creationists are wrong.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yes, in that sense. Darwin was wrong only in the
sense that if he believed it all happened through chance
as just totally blind. As far as the Oogies of
India and the Sages of Israel were concerned, nothing happens
by chance. It happens for a reason. And there is
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a divine transcendental power or energy in the universe that
is guiding in the background, unseen, but guiding everything that
happens in this universe. So yes, everything happened according to
what Darwin of Knight have said, or what cosmologists may
(28:40):
be saying today. But not by chance. It happened because
it was guided that way.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Who guided it?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You can call that element God, You can call it Issuer,
you can call it Baguan, you can call it any
You can just call it divine energy, whatever you like to.
According to the into Yogis, God is so indescribable, so immense,
that there are no words to describe him or her
or it or whatever goes beyond the mind. But we
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have to begin somewhere. We have to say something exists,
we have to give it some sort of a name. So,
according to the different traditions of the world. People have
chosen different names, and they've focused on different aspects of God.
God is so tremendous, full of infinity, of sublime qualities.
(29:35):
We can only count a few. We can only count compassion, mercy, love,
you know a few things like that. But there's so
much which goes beyond the human mind.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right, let me ask you this, and Jay, maybe
this is another question you could help me to find
an answer for sure. In Bible, in Genesis, it says,
and God said, let us create man in our image,
in our likeness. Number one? Does that mean that since
we were created in God's likeness, in his image, that
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we are part of God? And number two? Who is
the we he was talking about? Who is the r
image that he's talking about?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Fantastic question of Okay, can I just start with the
second one? Because of the we part. Yes, I'm not
absolutely sure about this, but I'm pretty sure about it
that the wei part is part of the English translation.
So we have we. It's kind of just a royal language,
like the queen might say we are not amused instead
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of saying I so as such, I think that's part
of the translation into English. When it says we, But
actually God in the Bible is singular when it says
and you know, he saw that it was good and
let it be et cetera, et cetera. That's part of
how it's been translated. But God is singular. There the
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first question which you asked about God creating man in
his own image, there are two ways of looking at this.
Number one is the physical creation of man. That means
the two legs, two hands, the eyes, and so according
to some yogis, and I would say stage is two.
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God actually has a divine form, not made of anything,
not made out of space, time or any material. It's
just consciousness. It's a divine form. But it does look
human in the sense it has two arms, two eyes,
two legs, all the rest of it, but not human
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and not material, transcendental divine matter. So that's one way
of looking. And the second way is think is that
God created us similar to him in essence, that we
arise from God and then we back into God.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
So how do we explay I'm sorry, sir, go ahead there.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, So basically we are divine in essence. We we
our souls as well, are eternal. They do not die
and we we have divine attributes related within our souls,
within our imner selves, and we are not as as
human or as mortal as we think we are. We
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are far bigger than we can imagine. We are far
greater than we can even imagine. So in that sense
we are near to God, close to God, in the
image of God.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
All right, So does then the eternal factor of our
being work hand in hand with reincarnation?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yes? Absolutely, according to our government or this anglicized pronunciation
is karma, people say, so according to our government our actions,
we move on to further births, and that those births
are basically our reincarnation, we being the same soul, but
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moving in after this birth into another, another body, and
then into another and into another according to our action.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So would this also? Would this also explain the the
the biblical claim of the second coming of Christ is
this Christ being reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
With with spiritual figures. See we uh. It works two ways.
But with a normal soul. We are not in charge
of what we become in our next birth. We become
according to what our actions are.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I see.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
So according to actions we may we cannot choose what
we are going to, what we will become. We will
become according to our actions. So equals every action as
an equal, an opposite reaction whatever. Yeah, that way for
normal souls. But for some very very powerful spiritual beings,
those who are enlightened, they can choose, and they can
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choose how many times they want to return or not return,
and which whatever form they want to return in, they
can choose. So as it would be for a powerful,
powerful soul like Jesus, he wouldn't be actually really incarnated
in the sense because of his actions, but because of
his choice. So that's the distinction between us and powerful
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spiritual beings.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
But let me ask you this, son Jay, if I may,
how did the ancients acquire this all knowing knowledge? If
not through rational thinking or speculation, it.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Was through the power of meditation. That this meditation is
not just Eastern it's not just a part of yoga.
Meditation is when you sit still and you just ponder
upon God, you ponder within you, silence the mind, and
you just let every sound from the universe enter into
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your soul. When the mind is silent, that's when the
soul can really hear things from the farthest distances. And
so meditation is to something which has been practiced throughout
the world by any sage like person. So yes, the
Jogies or the stages of Israel, we're able to acquire
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this information not through any technological instrumentation, not through mathematics,
through philosophy, but simply stilling the mind and letting the
information flow into them. So that's how they got this
information about the universe, about the soul, about God, about
all of these things. You can get that information if
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you just still the mind.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Silence it all right, Sanjay, please stand by you and
I have to take our final break explanation if you'd
like to know more about what we're talking about. Sanja
has written a great book, and by the way, sign
j thank you very much for sending me a copy.
God is Real, the stunning new convergence of science and spirituality.
His website is www dot sanjc Patel dot com. That's
(36:14):
s A N J A Y the letter C P
A T E l dot com. Sanjay and I will
be back on the other side of this commercial break
as the X one continues with your Strollie Rob McConnell
from our studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, who.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Spelloial time.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
For that second.
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For a break, so some reason to feel.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
And it's hard.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I need some distraction, a beautiful please.
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Em receip Mavan.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
And maybe.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Wa Semi findsome peace to.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Kimmy explanation, my guess this hour. Sanjay Patel, his book
is God Is Real, the stunning new convergence of science
and spirituality. Here's the website www dot sanj C. Patel
dot com. Sanjay, first of all, thank you for m
(38:00):
much for joining us. It's been a great hour. And
is there extraterrestrial life as people talk about, you know,
flying saucers, little gray men, men from Mars, little green men?
What is the spiritual scientific thought on that?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Sciences speculative on this, but most scientists are fairly convinced
that there has to be life elsewhere. Of course it
hasn't yet been demonstrated, but just statistically on a statistical
basis and how the universe works. They believe that the
world must be the universe must be filled with life.
(38:40):
But ancient Yogis and sages of Israel did believe in
other worlds which had life. This is amazing. The ancient
yogi speak about it all over the place. I mean
ancient yoga literature contains so many passages which talk about
life elsewhere in the u and Sodas ancient biblical literature
(39:05):
as well. The Helmut talks about God creating eighteen thousand
worlds and all of them contain creatures, and God defends
there to sport with his creatures. So we looked by
at least eighteen thousand which are mentioned in the Bible
apart from planet Earth. So yes, even from the Biblical
tradition we can see that there is extrateroristural life. And
(39:27):
in the Yogic tradition too there is extrateroristural life. And
the second part which you asked about UFOs and things
like that coming to this planet, there's one very very
interesting passage which I read. It's from eighteen twenty six,
so this is again a pre scientific era. And a
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sage called swam in Orion in India was sitting with
the congregation in front of him in the evening and
at that time a great ball of light, a sphere
of life, descended in the sky above the congregation. And
this is the first I believe, documented mass sighting of
a ufo in India, if I'm not mistaken. And in
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this first documented mass sighting over Ufo. This spear then
divided into three and flew away into the sky. And
the congregation was just astounded, and they asked the Yogi.
They said, what was that? And he said that Drummer, Vishnu,
and Shiva. You might have heard of these three, Yes,
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of course, yes, they come every day through this planet.
Today you have seen them.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Sanjay, we've run out of time. I hate to do
this to my friend. We'll have to have you back
on in the very near future. Thank you very much.
Congratulations on a wonderful book and ex O Nation. Go
to his website get a copy of this book. It's
filled with interesting facts and it's going to make you
think spirituality and converged. The debate is over. God is real,
(41:04):
as the title of the book. Sanjay C. Patel is
my guest to this hour and his website www dot
snjcpatel dot com. I'll be back on the other side
of the news at six and a half minutes past
the top of the hour as the Xcelle continues with
Here is Truly. Rob McConnell dunk Away
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