November 11, 2025 • 54 mins
Tommy grew up in North Bergen New Jersey and had his first encounter with a UFO when he was six years old, stopping his brother from being abducted. He came close to his first alien at the age of twelve with his friend in his own house. During those six years, he spent working with a deity (Green Tara ) which he found out who it was actually 12 years later. He learned Hypnosis at 14 and was fortunate to work with World-renowned mentalist the Amazing Kreskin. Then later an army hypnotist named Mel Protes, at the early age of sixteen. He was doing Group hypnosis as well, which later becomes what he called Past life Regressions, in the mid 70's and later moved into psychic implant removals.
In the late 60's he was working with a number one medium out of the New York psychic center, Pat Jordan, in which they did ghostbusting in and around New York and New Jersey. They created a covenant at the time. During that time he was learning much about psychic abilities. He became empathetic at the age of twenty-five, for one year, now spending much of his life in teaching about Soul Travel and out-of-body-experiences. At that time he began doing energy work under the Native Nation studying with a medicine woman for 26 years. From 19 to 40 he was doing stage magic and Native dancing. Since he was 25 doing fire-dancing around the US. He even danced on a few Islands now in Hawaii. During that whole time, he was involved in seeing many UFOs and working with Abductees.
Tommy lectured for the Thunder-birds, Steven Greer’s group, the Edgar Casey group, Global Science Conferences around the US four about four years, while at the same time doing several Television shows and talking on many different radio shows
The 26 years he spent studying with a medicine woman -- Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf -- and a Tibetan Master in the Vajra. He learned most of his past lives. Spent many years with an associate (Sargel18) doing UFO work at what is called the famous Wanique Vortex, New Jersey where they conducted investigations for years. They dealt with beings and creatures from different dimensions. Taking pictures of UFOs on a weekly basis in and around Wanaque. They were the first to go public filming orbs in front of people in New York City at the Newlife Expo in 1998. Later incorporated that into the talks. Taking people out at night shooting pictures of orbs. Later in his life, He finished three books. How to See God, When Truth is called Crazy, Truth Beyond the Illusion. His fourth most recent book The True Teaching of Jesus from God-realization. Now listen to all our XZBN shows, with our compliments go to: https://www.spreaker.com/user/xzoneradiotv
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In the late 60's he was working with a number one medium out of the New York psychic center, Pat Jordan, in which they did ghostbusting in and around New York and New Jersey. They created a covenant at the time. During that time he was learning much about psychic abilities. He became empathetic at the age of twenty-five, for one year, now spending much of his life in teaching about Soul Travel and out-of-body-experiences. At that time he began doing energy work under the Native Nation studying with a medicine woman for 26 years. From 19 to 40 he was doing stage magic and Native dancing. Since he was 25 doing fire-dancing around the US. He even danced on a few Islands now in Hawaii. During that whole time, he was involved in seeing many UFOs and working with Abductees.
Tommy lectured for the Thunder-birds, Steven Greer’s group, the Edgar Casey group, Global Science Conferences around the US four about four years, while at the same time doing several Television shows and talking on many different radio shows
The 26 years he spent studying with a medicine woman -- Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf -- and a Tibetan Master in the Vajra. He learned most of his past lives. Spent many years with an associate (Sargel18) doing UFO work at what is called the famous Wanique Vortex, New Jersey where they conducted investigations for years. They dealt with beings and creatures from different dimensions. Taking pictures of UFOs on a weekly basis in and around Wanaque. They were the first to go public filming orbs in front of people in New York City at the Newlife Expo in 1998. Later incorporated that into the talks. Taking people out at night shooting pictures of orbs. Later in his life, He finished three books. How to See God, When Truth is called Crazy, Truth Beyond the Illusion. His fourth most recent book The True Teaching of Jesus from God-realization. Now listen to all our XZBN shows, with our compliments go to: https://www.spreaker.com/user/xzoneradiotv
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My guest this hour is Tommy Hawksblood. Tommy grew up
in North Bergen, New Jersey, and had his first encounter
with a UFO when he was six years old. He
came close to his first alien at the age of twelve.
During those six years, he spent working with a deity
by the name of Green Tara, which he found out
who it was twelve years later. Now, he learned hypnosis
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at fourteen and was fortunate enough to work with world
renowned mentalist the Amazing Creskin, then later a group hypnosis
which led him into past life aggressions and later into
psychic implantarymovals. Now, in late sixty he was working with
the number one medium out of the New York Psychic Center,
Pat Jordan, in which they did ghostbusting in and around
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New York and New Jersey. They created a covenant at
that time. During that time he was learning much about
psychic abilities. He became an empathic at the age of
twenty five. For a few years now spending much of
his working life in soul travel and the UFO wave.
Joining me now from Hawaii is Tommy Hawk's Blood and Tommy,
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welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Greeting hello, It's a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Thus you, Tommy, tell us a little bit more about
your first UFO encounter when you were six.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I guess this is when it all started to change
my whole life. I came from Aka kind of a
situation and family. But I was having my tonsles out
and my brother was having his out for the second time,
which is kind of like a not a normal thing
for people to go through. So we were both in
the hospital and it was twelve midnight and we were
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singing this song which we heard from I hated to
bring a name up of Bill Cosby, you know his
first comedy routine. I heard it his comedy routine where
he was in the hospital having his councils out and
they were screaming ice cream. We're going to get ice cream.
So we were doing that in the hospital room at
twelve or twelve midnight. There was three of us in
the room. I would face from one person and my
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brother was across the room on the other side next
to the window. All of a sudden, he jumps up
in the back of this it's kind of like a
crib because when you're literally have these bars to come
up and keep you in there. And he was standing
in the back screaming, Oh wow. I just jumped out
of my crib, ran over to the window. This giant
ball right ship was right coming right towards the window,
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and he was screaming. I just put my hands up,
spread apart on the window and stared at the ship
and it just shot back out into space. I mean,
I didn't know what I was doing, why I even
did what I did. I mean I was six years old,
never saw a UFO and didn't know what the UFO was.
And then I started back out into space. That was
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the eye open it for me. My brother doesn't even
your life. What happened that? The kid, the person that
was across from me, what was that? What was that?
So it was so great and uh he kind of
like didn't it didn't bother him at all, But it
was on my mind. Uh So it started putting first
in my thinking about what's out there and what's really
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going on. So then it was not much later I
was sitting in my bed just sitting up thinking about
what life was about. At six and a half seven,
and I was being visited by a deity, and at
that point, being that old, I didn't know what the
deity was, but she was a beautiful deity, uh, And
she took me out of my body and I traveled
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for four years with her and learned many things, not
like what people would say, what do you learning? What
do you learn? Not like the experiences you learn the
planet Earth. I was learning about crystal light, animal crystals,
beat the entity, I mean, the gnomes, salamanders, the fire, water,
spirits and all those kind of things, and and spirit
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and energy and all those other things as well. So
by the time I was eleven, I had an awayness
of a lot of things. But the first time I
ever had a friend stay over my house, we were
up in our in the bedroom and heard noises. So
we go walking down the stairs and there's this being
standing there. It was about we were little. I was eleven.
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I had to be about six foot eight, six foot nine,
kind of it's all skinny. But I had a cat.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Said at eleven, you were six foot eight.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
No, he wasn't being in the story.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, the thing we were looking at was kind of
ball to us. We ran upstairs. We got a baseball
bat and a stick, and we're going to go down
and try to fight it. And then it kind of
like it went through the door. And then we looked
and we saw this light outside and the ship just
took off. Oh my god. At that time, I was eleven.
So we ran upstairs and my mother goes, hold on,
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hold on, let me get this straight. You see in
the other room. Let me ask him what he saw.
And then then she asked me what I saw, and
she goes, well, whatever you saw, you both saw it, And
I said, well, right, we both did. We were downstairs
we were going to try to get it. So at
that point I was being brought up as a Protestant,
going to church every Sunday. My mother told me that
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I could no longer expirits. The spirits that I talked
to weren't real. So this being that I was working with,
I didn't know what to do because my mother told
me that it's not real. It's not real. It's not
real for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And if you can't trust your mother, who your trust?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right exactly? She already told me Santa Claus wasn't real.
East Money thought real Superman Tho not real.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So uh.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So then it was like here I am, and I said,
well what do I do? So by the time I
got into hypnosis when I was thirteen, when I met Kreskin,
I started doing hypnosis. At fourteen, I was doing kind
of stage hypnos with all my friends. I kept them
tis in as many as they could at the same time,
and it was fun to me at the time. Most
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of my friends, I gave everybody a word. I could
hypnotize everybody with just saying one word to each one
of them, and they would go completely out in front
of each other, so I could make him see each
other sempitis. But at that point I was going to
become baptized. I went to my minister and we were allowed.
I was just baptized at fourteen, and we were allowed
to ask our minsacre. There were a couple of questions,
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and I said to him, what is God? He goes, well,
nobody knows what God is? What heaven looked like, nobody
knows what heaven. I said, well, what are you doing Heaven? Well,
nobody knows, And I said, well, I don't know. I
don't want to be a Protestant no more. So. Then
I actually formed my own covenant. I had my own
own guidelines. My best friend was one of the top
psychics I said you said before at the New York
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Psychic Center, and we used to go into She used
to go into transis. I used to get whatever I
needed from her directly. She used to channel this with
Josie Josette from Salem, and I got all my skills
that I needed. But then I started working on I
had to cover to thirteen. I was a high priest,
so I was We were trying to create energy intoe
what it could do and stuff. Then we tried different
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things and multiple things, and I started proving to myself
to something really really bad happened, which I wouldn't say
over the year right now, but it made me realize.
I said, I'm playing with fire. And then I got
pulled into a relationship. And even that kind of pulled
me away a little bit for a couple of years.
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But then I really started a spiritual quest. So what
happened to one my spiritual quests? Alien ships were always
there and I got in gloved with people in gloved
with the Man Talk Project and saw different things and
it became like part two of my life. It's UFOs
and spiritualism. Both parts are the only thing that I've
important in my life because I had to see over
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a thousand ships in my life, some from really close up.
And then later on I was doing UFO work up
in Montwalk, New Jersey. Basically it was where Tesla was
doing all his work, his government property. We used to
go on there three or four hours every other night,
six days a week, and film and take pictures all
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night long and see all kinds of weird stuff. At
that time, we started lecturing around the United States for
Global Sciences, and this was about ninety six ninety seven,
and people really weren't ready to see pictures of strange things,
weird things, never mind believe really in UFOs. Yet when
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you say, when.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You say weird three weird pictures, strange things, what are
you talking about, Tommy, can you share any with us?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Okay? Oh sure? It's like like we talked for years
and people didn't even want to hear it. We saw
six foot butterflies, fish flying through the air in the
middle of the night, a mushroom that was about four
feet high that just appeared, and these strange mists that
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like used to ride along the ground like a white cloud.
They would follow you wherever you go, and if you
turn around, they move away from you. And in the
distance and all the trees, he would see these red eyes.
And then I can go a little deeper because we
did see We wouldn't see it, but we heard a dragon.
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I mean when there was six of us there and
here really loud, kind of like shaking you. And then
we heard the scream. I just had a problem with
my tooth done yesterday, so I can't kind of do
the sound that it did. But it was a real
loud screech that echoed through the whole mountain. And then
we heard a crash and then all these rocks started
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falling down. So the next day we went there and
we actually got the footprint of the dragon where it
landed on the ground. Another night, we were walking into
the where testa did always work. They actually blew up
the city and flooded it. It's a whole story which
I don't think we'dn't have time to do what really
went down in Jersey. Yeah, not to night, And it
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was the most incredible story, the most incredible UFO story
that went on in the United States ever, and then
did Intel the government of the Army. I mean they
were home aloud for six months because this reservoir was
a city that they flooded and the ships were just
going in and out of it. But any interim testall
did always work there, and they brew up this mountain.
So that's where we were filming all these kinds of things.
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I filmed the first ORB on my regular camera, and
then we started doing that, and then we actually did
the first lecture in New York City saying we're gonna
take pictures of orbs wherever we'd go, and we did
that as part of our show when we traveled as well.
So we were the first people probably going out saying
we can film orbs anywhere anytime.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Tell me what is an ORB?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
See? I can only give you what I feel think.
Everybody has a viewpoint. People have a viewpoint. One in
orders it's an energy field and it's probably an entity
for a word, a different kind of a life form.
They come to energy. The problem is they come to
any form of energy, a negative energy, a positive energy, love, hate, anger, fear,
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any kind of emotional energy where they come to feel
the energy and they go towards it when they stay
around it. We used to light crystals up in the
fields in the mountains where we were, and used to
put spears on top of lights to light up the
whole mountain. And then these light things would come or
different orbits whould come around, and I dance and bring
them into the light and stuff like that. It was
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just one thing that I felt that I was doing.
And even at that point, the head of the Chippewa Nation,
the head medicine person, medicine man, two jaguar priests for
Elvis from Canada or were given a vision to come
to be with us, and we did ceremony on the
mountain where Testa did all his work. But my friend
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that I did all this stuff with didn't come that night.
So I was with these elders along with them, and
they said, well, there's no spirits left here. I said, well,
I made sure I free as many spirits as I
could when I do my ceremony here on the mountain.
They were all there, what kind of ceremony. I'm part native? Okay,
I'm part Native, and I learned how to cross beings
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over at different levels and when I first got there,
there were so many different kinds of spirits everywhere. Really,
so I would do a dance, a native dance in
front of these crystals and then do my prayers and
then work with the light and a lot of these
beings to go. I actually got one picture of one
that we shot, but during that my friend shot a
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picture of me, which is actually a picture of me
looking back at myself, which is actually on my site.
If you go to how to See God or ventches
into the Strea dot com you will see one of
those pictures. We sent it to all the UFO people.
They have no clue how it could have been made
or what it was a picture of. I mean, we
kind of separated. He created a whole thing out of it,
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saying it's my demon self looking at myself and a
lot of things, but all the UFO people have no clue.
I just showed it to a medicine woman recently and
she says, well, you're looking at yourself in the future.
So I mean, again, everything that a person perceives is
their perception, and obviously it's hard to get other people
to see the same perception that you're going through. Again,
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but again. We had thousands, not ten, twenty thousands of
pictures of strange ships, UFOs orbs, as well as videos.
He shot a video of an alien coming towards him
with my camera. I wasn't there. It was the one
night he went without me, and this missed opened up
in this kind of There's a stone dragon statue in
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one of the museums and it looked exactly like the
creature that came out of the myths and started talking
to him. He tried to sell that movie for a
million dollars through a museum in and you're in London.
I think they gave him fifty thousand dollars, but they
didn't want it, so he got it back. But we've
got to see, like I said, multiple things here. The
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government was working there for a long time, Tesla was
working there. The energy was intense. I mean, I could
go into the home vortex thing, which is the only thing.
I only brought that up to say that the vaw
tex is. When they did the Montor project and the
Philadelphia experiment, they put a rip in the energy field
that goes from this dimension into the next. And when
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they did that, they put a rip that made it bigger,
meaning a lot of the stuff for me. Now, that's
why there's more abductions, more possessions, more people seeing creatures
and entities and different things. Now, more people sending you
talking to every angel under the sun as well. So
it opened up this gateway to allow more things in.
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And the only thing I'll add to that before I
changed it all completely. But at the end of that,
a couple years ago, there was a blackout from Canada
all the way down to Florida.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That was the twentieth year cycle of the Mantork project
because that's when the gate opens, and that's what happened,
and they never said why. They never released anywhere in
the United States about what happened that day when it
all shut down. I'll be looking for some Nichols. I
was doing one of them a little more than the other,
and then I got involved with the creatures. I actually
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saw the Montork creature, and at the same time in Jersey,
I saw a bigfoot. I was two feet from it.
It was right next to me. I could have touched it,
but I started running and I had reasons. I was
running back to the truck to try to get my
camera because I didn't have my camera on me. But
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that's a whole that's a different story, which was part
of my reality. Opened my eyes to see things. When
they say, well this isn't real, that's not real. I
mean everybody will learn in their own time when they're
ready to experience it or accept it. That's the way
I would put it.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Tell me, let me ask you this, are UFOs from
here or are they from outer space?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Well, my viewpoint, they are not from here. They wouldn't
need a spaceship if they were from here. Again, there's
two kinds of beings ets, interdimensional beings and then aliens.
Aliens driving the ship into dimensional beings don't need a ship,
but the ships. I will debate anybody from Stephen Hawkins
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down the road to any one of them, even Einstein.
Einstein was wrong about a lot of things, and they're
going to sell proven everything he said was wrong eventually.
First of all, when I shot my first ship with
a camera that was a thirty five thousand dollars camera
twenty five years ago, it was traveling faster than the
speed of light. We shot pictures, and the camera shots
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three hundred frames a second. We had to watch the
three hundred frames a second in slow motion on two
frames or three frames. The ship was on it going
across the whole sky. So I knew it. I said,
that's ridiculous. They're not. They have to be traveling faster
than the speed of light to get through the universe
in the time they do. Sure. And then when they say,
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well they go into a wormhole or or a black hole,
I mean, I disagree with it at all. Now there's
a person that came out last month, a top scientists
said well, we don't have any real proof of anything
in space, it's only theory. So with that being said
for them, they say, well, it's definitely a black hole.
They go through the bended and they go through bending time.
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Tesla's gonna be wrong, I mean not Tesla, Sorry Einstein.
Tesla was right on. He was working with an alien
and he had he has that action in his notes.
I actually saw the notes way back when I was
in Jersey, so he was talking about that way back
then when he was doing his note. So it was
a real thing that I feel that had to be
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because a person like that doesn't come out with two
hundred inventions that all work. Considering he invented the first radio,
and then how to time travel and how to he
actually was responsible for quantum physics at that time. So yeah,
he was working with something beyond what people here knew
or could figure out in college and think they could
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learn by sitting in college for four to four years.
So that whole thing. UFOs do come from other worlds.
I'm not going to say UFOs don't come through dimensions.
If it's through a dimension, it's not a solid ship.
When I say you aliens, I always refer to a
solid object ship, meaning it travels through space and it's
a form. Interdimensional beings travel and life bodies and the
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like forms like a ship if you look at it
as a white light. But it's not a solid object.
And I don't know if you watched any of the
pictures of the ship's going into the sun and everything.
They're going into the sun, because the sun's not solid,
it's liquid, it's a gas, and these ships get their
power from it. Again here in Hawaii right now, my
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friend called me yesterday watching me to come over his house.
He said he shot a whole bunch of videos of
ships going into the volcano. So obviously the ships are
a lot stronger and built different than the technology that
we can assume that we have or what was shown.
We have a friend who was found dead two days
after we did the show with just Aventur, Fred Bell, Well,
(21:39):
he worked on a lot of this stuff. I got
pretty close to what he was saying about these different
things and everything. So I trust him because he was
working on the ship's way back. When. Then when just
Ventura says we whoa, aren't you worried about the government,
he goes, no, No, I work for the government, And
he goes, what about me, Oh, well, don't worry about
You're a high person out there. Two days later, we
sat him dead in a hotel room right after that interview. So,
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I mean, the government watches people, and what I wanted
to say, I don't change the whole subject, but there's
hundreds of whistleblowers coming out right now on every aspect
of aliens and government seek the programs and everything else.
The only problem, and I mean I've watched and listened
to every single one of them. I met with so
many different people that claim this and that the problem
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is they don't fit together. They're not the same story.
I mean, if you have people coming out and say, well,
there were Kennedy when he was shot, well ones as well. No,
it wasn't Kennedy, it was double. I mean, you can
change the story, sure, And that's what's happening. When I
listened to these stories over and over, and I used
to I have my own show when I was bringing
people on. I just got tired of bringing people that
(22:47):
are telling stories to me. If it can't be provable,
then if it doesn't help the human race, it's totally useless.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And yet most most of the people, most of the
people that talk about government conspiracies cover ups all these
conspiracy theories. It's all talk. There's very little proof out there.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
See that's the biggest thing that I complained about. When
what's the thing the person has to prove it is
the person that's saying it exactly, not the person that's
listening to it. So if you're gonna say your God,
well prove your God. If you're going to say you're
an alien, prove it. What makes you different than us?
If you say you're an alien. I can go into
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that in great detail because I just had some incredible
things happening. But on top of all that, working with abductees,
which I started when I was twenty five, people that
were abducted and had implants stuck in them in different things.
The story is the same after you pull them out
of the programmed idea that they were stuck with. Now,
(23:48):
Bud Hopkins isn't here to defend himself. I didn't like him,
I didn't agree with him, But my best friend was
the person that made him famous. She went on tour
with him for his first year, and he worked with
people I know, and basically he didn't help them with
their abduction. I mean, even look at Travis Waalson Walter Travis,
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He's still dealing with his situation that happened all these years,
and he was only abducted once. I'm dealing with people
with multiple abductions. And the girl that I'm talking about,
she was abducted for a couple of years, and I'm
staying in touch with her because I'm just seeing because
there's a lot of UFO stuff happening every which way
right now, and I'm just wondering if they're going to
be plugging her again. But in the interim, I got
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one of the most incredible stories I'm working on right now.
Trying to get publicity for it because we will bring
the most important information out to the world that the
world really needs to see or hear, or observe and
test for themselves. I'm talking are aliens real? Are Bigfoot reel?
I mean? Is there really ships? Are they real ships
(24:58):
or the government ships? Or they are ships? Hmm, all
those kinds of questions. We plan on doing it where
we're working. I have a camera person that will do
the whole thing, but we want to do a six
point series and sell it to a company that's willing
to support it. I want them to be involved with
the information as we pull it out.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well, i'll tell you for I'll tell you what. I'll
tell you one thing Bigfoot Israel. There was a there
was a scientific discovery earlier this year that proves beyond
a shadow of a doubt that Bigfoot did exist and
does exist. It's a new hominin that was discovered and
the scientific information was found around Mount Saint Helen's.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Well, I can't go into that in detail. I can
with people involved with that right now.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I've got the I've got the scientific paper. I've had
Mitchell Townsend on the show, so you know that there's
no big secret about it.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, there's a lot of things. There's a city underground there,
and there's a lot of other things that government's taken
over at Mount Chaster right now. I mean, there's whole
bunch of movement going on, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, but how do we know this move How do
we know this movement is real? Like when people want
to when people want to bamboozle other people, they come
up with these great big stories about under underground basis,
and they come up with all this crap and corruption.
They sound like lunatics. So how can anybody take them seriously?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Well, see, here's the thing. If they don't have the
video and the proof, then they should shut up. Now
let me say this Phil Snyder, all right, he came
out and started talking about it, and then six months
later when he started talking about it, he kind of
got cremated. But in the interim he has body marks
that nobody could do with a knife or a cigarette
or anything. When he was hit by the gun the
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laser from the Allien, his hand was blasted on an angle,
his stomach was blown out and blew out his foot. Yeah,
that's not a normal thing. A person could recreate. Well,
I'm going to just set this up and make it
look like I was shot by a laser. Really, but again,
I have a friend in Long Island. Now, he's in
the nuthouse. He's been in there since nineteen ninety six.
Nineteen ninety six was the year the government decided to
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go after a lot of people. They took out Phil Snyder,
they took John Ford. He's in the in the nuthouse
in Long Island. They killed a lot of people. My
best friend who worked for NASA, who I actually just
started showing some UFOs and we were going to do
something incredible. His whole family disappeared within three days, all right,
And that was in Jersey. A couple of my friends
(27:21):
disappeared as well. So when people say things, I showed
John Ford's video. It's the best video of a UFO
crash that was ever taken. He made four copies of
it centered around the world. If he dies, everybody in
the world will see him. If he lives, nobody will
see him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So let me ask let me ask you this. If
there's all this proof, how can the governments of the
world still deny the existence?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Uh, let's see first and you know, I keep asking
myself somebody has to slip up sooner or later, and
we'd have to be at that point right now to
be like the government president. I mean when they said
the president was talking about the aliens and stuff, he
was smiling and everything. But there has to be a
slip up. But I know, people, here's the problem. People
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that are telling stories stay out there and keep spreading
those stories. The people that have the truth disappear. In
nineteen ninety six, two hundred UFO people disappeared. A lot
of them were killed, a lot of them just disappeared.
So again, I'm talking to my best friend. I knew
him since I was twelve years old and he was
I was. This was only in ninety six that we
(28:32):
were trying to show him UFOs. He said he was
working for NASA. He designed parts for the Space Shuttle
and everything else, but he said he wasn't allowed to
deal with urflos. The next night, I never got in
touch with him. Called his house for three days. I
kept him in his recording, called the school up. His
kids were gone, they didn't come to school, and I
found they left the recording on. For a year, I
(28:53):
worked for the phone company, and I found out the
phone line was shut down, but it was left open
for anybody calling his number. And I used to call
once a week. Why don't you let him go? I
know you got him. What are you doing to him?
Why can't you let him go? He doesn't know nothing,
he's not a UFO person, and they never I never
heard from him again since that. But again, what you're saying,
(29:13):
it is hard, But that's why they have to let
all these people with programmed ideas out there. It's owing
more junk on top of whatever could be real or
whatever is real. I worked with you name him. I
dealt with the top UFO people for i'd say about
thirty years. I mean Larry Warren who wrote lefted Eskate.
(29:33):
I was with him the month before he released his book.
These people have incredible stories his books. He actually did
a video a show on the History Channel when he
was at the base when the ship came over it. Now,
the captain, the general, all these different people came out
admitted touching the UFO and all these different things. So
(29:54):
even that's not real public even though it's there, they
admitted it. Now. I won't say per his name. She's
on coast to coast all the time and talks about
the story. And she kept the story going for like
six years. And it wasn't herd that broke the story.
It was the person that came out that was the
general captain at the time. It says, yeah, the ship
was there and he touched it. Uh. And I mean,
(30:15):
Larry Warren is an incredible person, but it took him
ten years to get his own name back because once
he got thrown out of the army. Uh, they stripped
everything in solid security and everything about him.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
You've got to ask yourself, are these credible people? If
they're if they want to actually and they do violate
their their oath, Like, how can we trust anything? Well,
you say, how can you trust a trust?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Let me say this, I don't believe they're I mean
the word credibility to the average person means doctor. You
have to have a dr in front of you.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh no, no, you don't have to have a doctor
in front of your name. To be credible, you.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Have to be in the court of what good Sorry,
come on.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I was in law enforcement for a number of years.
I saw I saw a number of a fast number
of credible people in court giving testimony expert witness expert
experts in and they weren't doctors.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Here's here's the problem to that, all right, I'll explain
it two ways. Anybody that gets abducted for real, that
has a bad dream or has a bad vision, did
a bad drug or whatever. Somebody that was taken in
a ship for real, like Walter Travis, somebody that was
(31:41):
there and yes, sorry I got dyslexy. Sorry I was
regress everything, all right, But he uh had witnesses. The
whole thing. What I'm saying is once you get abducted,
like my best friend, I worked with hypnosis who her
for a couple of years, years after she stopped working
with Bud Hopkins. But uh, your mind will never be
(32:04):
the same as it was before it happened. Ever, But
no matter what you do, what drug you take. I mean,
I've been working with abductees for a long time now,
but one of them.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Has hypnosis isn't recognized. Hypnosis isn't recognized because if it was,
it could be used in court. And it's not because the.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Reason because wait, wait, wait because the reason.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Wait a second year reason why? The reason why is
because the person who is doing the the conducting the
hypnosis session can actually sway the person who is under hypnosis,
or you know, it's it's not a science.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Wait wait, I understand. Wait wait no, you say it's
not a science. Of course they say it's not a science.
Let me say why. Here's something that's a fact, and
I could tell you for a fact that it's true unhypnosis.
If the person gets hypnotized, i'man hypnotized not playing the
game that he hypnotized, you can make him do anything.
(33:05):
You can make him. Tell any person that's hypnotized, you
can make them do anything that you want them to do.
Hypnotism can't. Hypnotists can't say they can do that because
then it would be a danger to the world. Same
as wait wait, wait, let me finish this. The hypnotist
I worked with was an army hypnotist. He worked in
(33:25):
the army in World War Two. He was proving that
if he hypnotized somebody, they would go out and shoot
their brother, their sister, shoot their child. They would do
anything that they were programmed to do, like the person
that killed John Lennon, person that killed Ozzy Oswall. I
mean their programs that are stuck in their mind. They
cannot do anything about it if they're hypnotized by a
(33:47):
good hypnotist that knows what he's doing. Second, the wall,
we have entity go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Sorry, I'm trying to figure out who Ozzy Oswald.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Is Oswell, sorry, person kill the assassinated person that killed
Kennedy Lee Harvey Oswald. Right, Sorry, I'm very bad with names.
Good thing to caught me. But what I was trying
to say is when you hypnotize somebody, if you hypnotize them, right,
(34:16):
they only hear your thought. You reprogram what they're gonna see.
If they're gonna shoot your brother, you don't say you're
gonna shoot your brother. You're gonna say you're gonna shoot
this alien being or this creature or this a clone
of a person that's trying to take over your body,
your son, your brother's life. And you recreate an idea
that they believe. And that's what aliens have to do
when they hit, when they when they take somebody, they
(34:36):
put a program in them. Ninety percent of all alien
abductees and there's a conference coming up in two months
called Alien con con Abductor Experiences Conference. It's going to
be a program, a serious program. They're gonna do the
people that were already programmed. But when I work with
these people, I work from a spiritual level, and very
few hypnotists can do that either. And I'll say one thing,
(34:59):
no doctor, no psychiatrists will agree on aliens will agree
on abduction and agree on possession. So those things that
are real that mankind will not accept because they don't
want to can't be brought into reality. And then otherwise
too many people would get off from being murderers and this,
that and the other thing, And well Anellien made them
do it, or that's true, or.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Is it because these things really do not exist in
the mind of a rational person, that these are phobias,
they're psychiatric problems.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well, when a four year old gets possessed, all right,
when a child gets possessed by a DNA, I can
tell you multiple stories of sexual problems and things like that.
For me personally, I experience multiple things to prove that
at every level, like even past life regression, which I do,
and regression being aware of your past lives. I was
(35:57):
eleven years old, I never saw any woman. I had
a dream, the vision, whatever, it was a past life,
which I learned later. I was married to a Japanese
woman and was having sex with her. I was eleven
years old and never saw a naked body. I didn't
even see naked body until months later when I saw
my first Playboy magazine. And then it started trying to
(36:19):
relate to what my dream was about my experience because
I was shaking and crying when I woke up. I
had no idea what it was. I mean. But again,
when a person experiences something, something that they couldn't have
been told the program, which most people do, most killed
in a program by what their body. Even in the
body a child hears what's going around them. They feel
(36:39):
the vibration and the energy of things that are around them.
I've dealt with every aspect of these things at so
many different levels, so many different people. Again, when a
person's abducted and an alien takes them into their ship,
they've given the program. And that's the only reason why
the government in the beginning allowed them to abook so
many people is because they were not supposed to remember
(37:00):
anything that happened. Now, even the astronaut I'm there with names,
I had them on my show, but he said that
everybody's going to be abdupted twice in their life. And
this is the astronaut.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
When you talk when you when you talk about your show,
what network was it on or was it an internet show?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
There was freedom slips dot com, oh.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
An internet an internet audio show, an internet radio?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, internet radio show. I did a few. I did
a few TV shows as well, But again I was
dealing with multiple people. And I worked with hypnosis all
my life. And like what people say, Well, you can't
make anybody do anything they don't want to, And I said,
that's a total lie. If they get hypnotize the first
thing you do, you can make your on the bar
(37:46):
steel and then when you push on their hand, if
you can't with ther whole body up, they're faking. It's
that simple because you cannot do that with your physical mind.
So this test that you can do to people right
away to make sure that they're hypnotized. Uh, even Americans
got talent. They had a hypnotist come on and he
hypnotized Howie to do things that he would never have done.
(38:08):
But the next time he came out, he put somebody
on and they couldn't hypnotize them, and they just threw
them off the stage. But hypnosis is only geared to
people that are able to be hypnotized, and not everybody can.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So is it fair to say that hypnosis only works
on weak minded persons?
Speaker 4 (38:26):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So a person who doesn't, who has a weak mind,
who may have problems separating reality from fantasy as.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Well, well, that's kind of true. But here's what the
hypnotist that the Army hypnotist I work with said, his
name was Malprotus. He said to me, if you work
with a person that's doing drugs and you hypnotize them,
because he was doing people in the Army. He says
a lot of times these guys were on drugs and
when he hypnotized them, they wouldn't come back. And he
(39:00):
even there for a week hypnotize until they decide to
come back, because they treated it as a high. Once
their body started feeling different, they treated it as a
high and they didn't want to come back. He said,
the worst thing to do is hypnotize anybody on drugs
and make sure that they're not before you start. And
this is what he also told me because I was
a stage magician for half of my life and he
wanted me to teach him stage magic. Uh not stage magic, magic.
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Www dot Adventures into the Strange dot com. Tell me,
if these extraterrestrials are here, why don't they just make
themselves known to everybody? Why all the cloak and dagger,
why all the why all these separate selection, Why don't
(43:55):
they just just land in front of the White House,
in front of Parliament, hill On, Autowa, Buckingham Palace, you know,
Red Square, the whole bit.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Okay, here's the simple scenario for that. Why isn't the
United States, Russia, China, Germany, France, Italy, every country friends
with the gunment?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
All right?
Speaker 4 (44:15):
We have we have seven races coming to this planet
outside of the supposedly good ones. All right, they're fighting
right now. They've been fighting since our guvernment's been fighting
with them. I know. I mean, people don't have to
accept it. But the guvernment's been working with them as well.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (44:32):
I mean, even the whistle blowing.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
How do I know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
You said you said earlier that if a person says
something and they can't prove it, they're lying. So tell
me how can you prove it?
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Because I stood next to an alien I saw the
ship take off.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Do you have any photos I have my I was
eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
My best friend was with me when we saw it.
I have a lot of wait, wait, wait, let me
say this. I have a lot of pictures on my
site of a couple of ships that I shot that
was like two feet from me, above us, different things.
We have a ship that's bigger than the Empire State
Building in back of the Empire State Building. We shot
from forty five miles away. I mean, I have pictures.
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We had thousands of pictures. Nobody wanted to see pictures.
And I'm talking in ninety six because everybody wasn't making
pictures and silouetting pictures of UFOs over things and everything else.
They were all real. We had one of the best
pictures of a UFO blown up in New York City
by one of the top labs a thousand times, and
they measured the pixels and me. The only thing he
(45:34):
could say is it was never tampered with. It was
an actual photograph. That's all he could say. It's an
unidentified object, so that's all he would give us.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
All right, So you're an eleven year old child. You're
an eleven year old child with a I would imagine
you're very artistic.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Well I wouldn't say I was artistic. I was smart.
Okay for a word, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Would you would you say that you have had a
vivid imagination.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Well I wouldn't. I had an imagination. I didn't imagine things.
I didn't try to imagine things. Things just came to
me and I was showing things. Was like, okay, when
I was a witch, when I was sixteen, I could
put a spell or do something and watch somebody go flying.
I mean I could say something and watch within two days.
All right, Russ, Just to show you when you don't
(46:24):
control it, all right, how Rulu witchcraft and work and
energy works. I was in the fun company, sitting in
the thing, and I love fishing and if one guy
comes through or I went fishing up Brown Valley in Jersey.
I caught six trout. I said, you're only allowed to
keep two, but we just stuck them in the freezer
and took them. I said, that's karmer, and he said no,
(46:46):
and I said, Spirit will pay you back. He was
driving home on the highway smashed his car, went off
the divide. He was laid up in the hospital for
six months. He came back six months later, and then
he had the nerve to do something and say something
to me again. I said, well, Spirit's gonna watch protect
the truth and you're gonna be sorry. And then all
of a sudden bank he was back in the hospital
for another three months, just just energy thoughts, which people say, well, oh,
(47:10):
that's not really either. I studied. I didn't get into GOODU,
but I was in people that would hire priests, Voodoo
of Rulu Centeria and things like that. Jersey was the
highest in Santaia. We walked in western New York. All
the all the good of priests came in. They bought
all the churches and created Santaia, another horrible religion because
because they do kill things. I mean they rented hotels
(47:32):
and they would they would find fingers in the hotel rooms.
And this is in Jersey, in Western York. Uh, and
things like that. So I mean I dealt with every
level of it. Getting back to myself personally, I knew
what I was capable of doing. Then. Uh, I didn't
want to say the really bad thing because I don't
want to have a reverb of people saying it. But
(47:53):
it's probably the worst thing you could possibly think of.
Then it happened directly within within three hours. So well,
was it a coincidence? Everything in life could be a coincidence,
the same as everything could be thought out and planned.
It's just a matter of how you want to relate
to it when it does happen, and how good of
the thought. Now on all these psychic people out there
(48:14):
claiming to work with aliens and angels, claiming all these
things that are going to happen in the next year,
I'm saying they're all dealing with entities, not Michael, Think Gabriel,
Michael and Metatron, Alphatron, all these different beings and angels.
We're dealing with demons or entities which have come in
since the Monto project opened up the Valtex, and people
(48:36):
will see it soon enough. Watch the world. Watch what's
going to happen. It will be destroyed in a great way.
I'm talking at least I see half of the planet
at least being destroyed, or we could never go into
the Golden Age, which will happen probably before twenty twenty.
But the destruction that will happen, I think it's going
to happen within three or four months starting anyway. I mean,
(48:58):
you can't already destroy the ocean. People don't even want
to look at that. The Fukushima wave has hit the
West coast and they're not doing a thing about it.
What can they do. They have to close everything down,
which they're not going to do yet. Nobody's talking about
what jade Helm's doing and they're not saying a word,
but they're prepared to do something. If people don't want
to be aware and look at the facts and say, well, no,
(49:18):
I pray everything's going to be okay. The angels are
protecting us. The allens are going to come down and
make us all spiritual beings, right, I'm against that completely.
No alien that I dealt with at any level, even
when I worked with the person that was possessed. Aliens
do possess people as well, in a different way than
than an entity. Would you know I possessions?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Oh, for the past forty minutes, you know you've come
across as as a person who is an expert in UFOs, spirits, bigfoot, aliens, angels, WICCA,
alien abduction entities. You know you've done so much.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Right, and why is that all that? Might?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
From my partner, here's my question. Can you prove any
of this? Because you said if a person cannot prove it,
they're lying. So how can you prove this?
Speaker 4 (50:12):
All? Right? Here's what? Okay? Do you know the name
Sean David Martin?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (50:19):
He used to take people to the area fifty one
and what and right with a band and bring those
people to see the ships land there every two weeks
until the government caught them and then they bought all
that land around it. The same as we took people
up to one community, Jersey to see the things that
we saw up there. Famous people came there, I mean
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the crystal skull was brotht there too as well, and
he wanted to see what would happen with the crystal
skull if he was put on that vortex. One of
the girls was laying on the ground in this ball
light just peered over whole body. Everybody saw it, So
I like when I didn't. When we were election around
the United States, we would bring people out at nighttime
and let them see the things as well. Now a
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good friend of mine, Ed Grimsley, He's got twelve nighties
and glasses. He take people out at night time. He
just went on the cruise Who's thrown up to Alaska
and they take people and they let them see the
ships fighting in space. Right now, if I could get
somebody to come to my house, it's a good camera.
They can film a ship over my house almost every
other night when the sky's clear. I'm playing with it.
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I'm blinking my side it. It's blinking back three times
and different things. I'm doing a lot of things, but
I can't get nobody. I have cheap cameras and I
just tried filming it. I can't get it. This camera
crew that I have there in Jersey, they'll come to
Arizona because that's where my other friend is being abducted
and actually actually killed. The Gray has the proof, wanting
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to go public with everything that they have.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
What kind of proof?
Speaker 4 (51:45):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (51:46):
What kind of proof?
Speaker 4 (51:47):
He cut the alien half, He got the blood and
a piece of the alien, and they analyze it in
three different universities, analyze the blood, the sample of the skin,
and it's a documented story right now. So uh. And
the other thing is we have body parts of a
bigfoot and we do have a frozen alien. So yeah,
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I want I don't want to do it. I'm not
doing it for the money.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Two people need to do it for the money because
he find to sell as property. There's a vortext on
there and he's trying to get off of it. I'm
dealing with a medicine woman. I'm dealing with a whole
bunch of people right now with the money part of it,
like fitting together for somebody to pay.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Hey, Tommy, we've got to we've got to see so
long for tonight, Penal's Uh, it's been a challenge, I
mean a pleasure talking to you. I don't believe a
word you've said. I think that you shouldn't give up
on your meds. I don't know explanation. This is more
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They don't call CNN, they don't call Fox, they don't
call any major media. What they do is they cut
it in half. And of course they don't want to
make money. Oh no, they don't want to make money.
They're scam artists for God's sake. And when it comes
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to be If a person does not want to be hypnotized,
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My guest this hour is Tommy Hawksblood. Tommy grew up
in North Bergen, New Jersey, and had his first encounter
with a UFO when he was six years old. He
came close to his first alien at the age of twelve.
During those six years, he spent working with a deity
by the name of Green Tara, which he found out
who it was twelve years later. Now, he learned hypnosis
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at fourteen and was fortunate enough to work with world
renowned mentalist the Amazing Creskin, then later a group hypnosis
which led him into past life aggressions and later into
psychic implantarymovals. Now, in late sixty he was working with
the number one medium out of the New York Psychic Center,
Pat Jordan, in which they did ghostbusting in and around
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New York and New Jersey. They created a covenant at
that time. During that time he was learning much about
psychic abilities. He became an empathic at the age of
twenty five. For a few years now spending much of
his working life in soul travel and the UFO wave.
Joining me now from Hawaii is Tommy Hawk's Blood and Tommy,
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welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Greeting hello, It's a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Thus you, Tommy, tell us a little bit more about
your first UFO encounter when you were six.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I guess this is when it all started to change
my whole life. I came from Aka kind of a
situation and family. But I was having my tonsles out
and my brother was having his out for the second time,
which is kind of like a not a normal thing
for people to go through. So we were both in
the hospital and it was twelve midnight and we were
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singing this song which we heard from I hated to
bring a name up of Bill Cosby, you know his
first comedy routine. I heard it his comedy routine where
he was in the hospital having his councils out and
they were screaming ice cream. We're going to get ice cream.
So we were doing that in the hospital room at
twelve or twelve midnight. There was three of us in
the room. I would face from one person and my
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brother was across the room on the other side next
to the window. All of a sudden, he jumps up
in the back of this it's kind of like a
crib because when you're literally have these bars to come
up and keep you in there. And he was standing
in the back screaming, Oh wow. I just jumped out
of my crib, ran over to the window. This giant
ball right ship was right coming right towards the window,
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and he was screaming. I just put my hands up,
spread apart on the window and stared at the ship
and it just shot back out into space. I mean,
I didn't know what I was doing, why I even
did what I did. I mean I was six years old,
never saw a UFO and didn't know what the UFO was.
And then I started back out into space. That was
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the eye open it for me. My brother doesn't even
your life. What happened that? The kid, the person that
was across from me, what was that? What was that?
So it was so great and uh he kind of
like didn't it didn't bother him at all, But it
was on my mind. Uh So it started putting first
in my thinking about what's out there and what's really
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going on. So then it was not much later I
was sitting in my bed just sitting up thinking about
what life was about. At six and a half seven,
and I was being visited by a deity, and at
that point, being that old, I didn't know what the
deity was, but she was a beautiful deity, uh, And
she took me out of my body and I traveled
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for four years with her and learned many things, not
like what people would say, what do you learning? What
do you learn? Not like the experiences you learn the
planet Earth. I was learning about crystal light, animal crystals,
beat the entity, I mean, the gnomes, salamanders, the fire, water,
spirits and all those kind of things, and and spirit
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and energy and all those other things as well. So
by the time I was eleven, I had an awayness
of a lot of things. But the first time I
ever had a friend stay over my house, we were
up in our in the bedroom and heard noises. So
we go walking down the stairs and there's this being
standing there. It was about we were little. I was eleven.
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I had to be about six foot eight, six foot nine,
kind of it's all skinny. But I had a cat.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Said at eleven, you were six foot eight.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
No, he wasn't being in the story.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, the thing we were looking at was kind of
ball to us. We ran upstairs. We got a baseball
bat and a stick, and we're going to go down
and try to fight it. And then it kind of
like it went through the door. And then we looked
and we saw this light outside and the ship just
took off. Oh my god. At that time, I was eleven.
So we ran upstairs and my mother goes, hold on,
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hold on, let me get this straight. You see in
the other room. Let me ask him what he saw.
And then then she asked me what I saw, and
she goes, well, whatever you saw, you both saw it, And
I said, well, right, we both did. We were downstairs
we were going to try to get it. So at
that point I was being brought up as a Protestant,
going to church every Sunday. My mother told me that
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I could no longer expirits. The spirits that I talked
to weren't real. So this being that I was working with,
I didn't know what to do because my mother told
me that it's not real. It's not real. It's not
real for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And if you can't trust your mother, who your trust?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right exactly? She already told me Santa Claus wasn't real.
East Money thought real Superman Tho not real.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So uh.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So then it was like here I am, and I said,
well what do I do? So by the time I
got into hypnosis when I was thirteen, when I met Kreskin,
I started doing hypnosis. At fourteen, I was doing kind
of stage hypnos with all my friends. I kept them
tis in as many as they could at the same time,
and it was fun to me at the time. Most
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of my friends, I gave everybody a word. I could
hypnotize everybody with just saying one word to each one
of them, and they would go completely out in front
of each other, so I could make him see each
other sempitis. But at that point I was going to
become baptized. I went to my minister and we were allowed.
I was just baptized at fourteen, and we were allowed
to ask our minsacre. There were a couple of questions,
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and I said to him, what is God? He goes, well,
nobody knows what God is? What heaven looked like, nobody
knows what heaven. I said, well, what are you doing Heaven? Well,
nobody knows, And I said, well, I don't know. I
don't want to be a Protestant no more. So. Then
I actually formed my own covenant. I had my own
own guidelines. My best friend was one of the top
psychics I said you said before at the New York
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Psychic Center, and we used to go into She used
to go into transis. I used to get whatever I
needed from her directly. She used to channel this with
Josie Josette from Salem, and I got all my skills
that I needed. But then I started working on I
had to cover to thirteen. I was a high priest,
so I was We were trying to create energy intoe
what it could do and stuff. Then we tried different
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things and multiple things, and I started proving to myself
to something really really bad happened, which I wouldn't say
over the year right now, but it made me realize.
I said, I'm playing with fire. And then I got
pulled into a relationship. And even that kind of pulled
me away a little bit for a couple of years.
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But then I really started a spiritual quest. So what
happened to one my spiritual quests? Alien ships were always
there and I got in gloved with people in gloved
with the Man Talk Project and saw different things and
it became like part two of my life. It's UFOs
and spiritualism. Both parts are the only thing that I've
important in my life because I had to see over
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a thousand ships in my life, some from really close up.
And then later on I was doing UFO work up
in Montwalk, New Jersey. Basically it was where Tesla was
doing all his work, his government property. We used to
go on there three or four hours every other night,
six days a week, and film and take pictures all
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night long and see all kinds of weird stuff. At
that time, we started lecturing around the United States for
Global Sciences, and this was about ninety six ninety seven,
and people really weren't ready to see pictures of strange things,
weird things, never mind believe really in UFOs. Yet when
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you say, when.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You say weird three weird pictures, strange things, what are
you talking about, Tommy, can you share any with us?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Okay? Oh sure? It's like like we talked for years
and people didn't even want to hear it. We saw
six foot butterflies, fish flying through the air in the
middle of the night, a mushroom that was about four
feet high that just appeared, and these strange mists that
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like used to ride along the ground like a white cloud.
They would follow you wherever you go, and if you
turn around, they move away from you. And in the
distance and all the trees, he would see these red eyes.
And then I can go a little deeper because we
did see We wouldn't see it, but we heard a dragon.
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I mean when there was six of us there and
here really loud, kind of like shaking you. And then
we heard the scream. I just had a problem with
my tooth done yesterday, so I can't kind of do
the sound that it did. But it was a real
loud screech that echoed through the whole mountain. And then
we heard a crash and then all these rocks started
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falling down. So the next day we went there and
we actually got the footprint of the dragon where it
landed on the ground. Another night, we were walking into
the where testa did always work. They actually blew up
the city and flooded it. It's a whole story which
I don't think we'dn't have time to do what really
went down in Jersey. Yeah, not to night, And it
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was the most incredible story, the most incredible UFO story
that went on in the United States ever, and then
did Intel the government of the Army. I mean they
were home aloud for six months because this reservoir was
a city that they flooded and the ships were just
going in and out of it. But any interim testall
did always work there, and they brew up this mountain.
So that's where we were filming all these kinds of things.
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I filmed the first ORB on my regular camera, and
then we started doing that, and then we actually did
the first lecture in New York City saying we're gonna
take pictures of orbs wherever we'd go, and we did
that as part of our show when we traveled as well.
So we were the first people probably going out saying
we can film orbs anywhere anytime.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Tell me what is an ORB?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
See? I can only give you what I feel think.
Everybody has a viewpoint. People have a viewpoint. One in
orders it's an energy field and it's probably an entity
for a word, a different kind of a life form.
They come to energy. The problem is they come to
any form of energy, a negative energy, a positive energy, love, hate, anger, fear,
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any kind of emotional energy where they come to feel
the energy and they go towards it when they stay
around it. We used to light crystals up in the
fields in the mountains where we were, and used to
put spears on top of lights to light up the
whole mountain. And then these light things would come or
different orbits whould come around, and I dance and bring
them into the light and stuff like that. It was
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just one thing that I felt that I was doing.
And even at that point, the head of the Chippewa Nation,
the head medicine person, medicine man, two jaguar priests for
Elvis from Canada or were given a vision to come
to be with us, and we did ceremony on the
mountain where Testa did all his work. But my friend
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that I did all this stuff with didn't come that night.
So I was with these elders along with them, and
they said, well, there's no spirits left here. I said, well,
I made sure I free as many spirits as I
could when I do my ceremony here on the mountain.
They were all there, what kind of ceremony. I'm part native? Okay,
I'm part Native, and I learned how to cross beings
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over at different levels and when I first got there,
there were so many different kinds of spirits everywhere. Really,
so I would do a dance, a native dance in
front of these crystals and then do my prayers and
then work with the light and a lot of these
beings to go. I actually got one picture of one
that we shot, but during that my friend shot a
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picture of me, which is actually a picture of me
looking back at myself, which is actually on my site.
If you go to how to See God or ventches
into the Strea dot com you will see one of
those pictures. We sent it to all the UFO people.
They have no clue how it could have been made
or what it was a picture of. I mean, we
kind of separated. He created a whole thing out of it,
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saying it's my demon self looking at myself and a
lot of things, but all the UFO people have no clue.
I just showed it to a medicine woman recently and
she says, well, you're looking at yourself in the future.
So I mean, again, everything that a person perceives is
their perception, and obviously it's hard to get other people
to see the same perception that you're going through. Again,
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but again. We had thousands, not ten, twenty thousands of
pictures of strange ships, UFOs orbs, as well as videos.
He shot a video of an alien coming towards him
with my camera. I wasn't there. It was the one
night he went without me, and this missed opened up
in this kind of There's a stone dragon statue in
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one of the museums and it looked exactly like the
creature that came out of the myths and started talking
to him. He tried to sell that movie for a
million dollars through a museum in and you're in London.
I think they gave him fifty thousand dollars, but they
didn't want it, so he got it back. But we've
got to see, like I said, multiple things here. The
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government was working there for a long time, Tesla was
working there. The energy was intense. I mean, I could
go into the home vortex thing, which is the only thing.
I only brought that up to say that the vaw
tex is. When they did the Montor project and the
Philadelphia experiment, they put a rip in the energy field
that goes from this dimension into the next. And when
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they did that, they put a rip that made it bigger,
meaning a lot of the stuff for me. Now, that's
why there's more abductions, more possessions, more people seeing creatures
and entities and different things. Now, more people sending you
talking to every angel under the sun as well. So
it opened up this gateway to allow more things in.
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And the only thing I'll add to that before I
changed it all completely. But at the end of that,
a couple years ago, there was a blackout from Canada
all the way down to Florida.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That was the twentieth year cycle of the Mantork project
because that's when the gate opens, and that's what happened,
and they never said why. They never released anywhere in
the United States about what happened that day when it
all shut down. I'll be looking for some Nichols. I
was doing one of them a little more than the other,
and then I got involved with the creatures. I actually
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saw the Montork creature, and at the same time in Jersey,
I saw a bigfoot. I was two feet from it.
It was right next to me. I could have touched it,
but I started running and I had reasons. I was
running back to the truck to try to get my
camera because I didn't have my camera on me. But
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that's a whole that's a different story, which was part
of my reality. Opened my eyes to see things. When
they say, well this isn't real, that's not real. I
mean everybody will learn in their own time when they're
ready to experience it or accept it. That's the way
I would put it.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Tell me, let me ask you this, are UFOs from
here or are they from outer space?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Well, my viewpoint, they are not from here. They wouldn't
need a spaceship if they were from here. Again, there's
two kinds of beings ets, interdimensional beings and then aliens.
Aliens driving the ship into dimensional beings don't need a ship,
but the ships. I will debate anybody from Stephen Hawkins
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down the road to any one of them, even Einstein.
Einstein was wrong about a lot of things, and they're
going to sell proven everything he said was wrong eventually.
First of all, when I shot my first ship with
a camera that was a thirty five thousand dollars camera
twenty five years ago, it was traveling faster than the
speed of light. We shot pictures, and the camera shots
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three hundred frames a second. We had to watch the
three hundred frames a second in slow motion on two
frames or three frames. The ship was on it going
across the whole sky. So I knew it. I said,
that's ridiculous. They're not. They have to be traveling faster
than the speed of light to get through the universe
in the time they do. Sure. And then when they say,
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well they go into a wormhole or or a black hole,
I mean, I disagree with it at all. Now there's
a person that came out last month, a top scientists
said well, we don't have any real proof of anything
in space, it's only theory. So with that being said
for them, they say, well, it's definitely a black hole.
They go through the bended and they go through bending time.
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Tesla's gonna be wrong, I mean not Tesla, Sorry Einstein.
Tesla was right on. He was working with an alien
and he had he has that action in his notes.
I actually saw the notes way back when I was
in Jersey, so he was talking about that way back
then when he was doing his note. So it was
a real thing that I feel that had to be
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because a person like that doesn't come out with two
hundred inventions that all work. Considering he invented the first radio,
and then how to time travel and how to he
actually was responsible for quantum physics at that time. So yeah,
he was working with something beyond what people here knew
or could figure out in college and think they could
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learn by sitting in college for four to four years.
So that whole thing. UFOs do come from other worlds.
I'm not going to say UFOs don't come through dimensions.
If it's through a dimension, it's not a solid ship.
When I say you aliens, I always refer to a
solid object ship, meaning it travels through space and it's
a form. Interdimensional beings travel and life bodies and the
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like forms like a ship if you look at it
as a white light. But it's not a solid object.
And I don't know if you watched any of the
pictures of the ship's going into the sun and everything.
They're going into the sun, because the sun's not solid,
it's liquid, it's a gas, and these ships get their
power from it. Again here in Hawaii right now, my
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friend called me yesterday watching me to come over his house.
He said he shot a whole bunch of videos of
ships going into the volcano. So obviously the ships are
a lot stronger and built different than the technology that
we can assume that we have or what was shown.
We have a friend who was found dead two days
after we did the show with just Aventur, Fred Bell, Well,
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he worked on a lot of this stuff. I got
pretty close to what he was saying about these different
things and everything. So I trust him because he was
working on the ship's way back. When. Then when just
Ventura says we whoa, aren't you worried about the government,
he goes, no, No, I work for the government, And
he goes, what about me, Oh, well, don't worry about
You're a high person out there. Two days later, we
sat him dead in a hotel room right after that interview. So,
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I mean, the government watches people, and what I wanted
to say, I don't change the whole subject, but there's
hundreds of whistleblowers coming out right now on every aspect
of aliens and government seek the programs and everything else.
The only problem, and I mean I've watched and listened
to every single one of them. I met with so
many different people that claim this and that the problem
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is they don't fit together. They're not the same story.
I mean, if you have people coming out and say, well,
there were Kennedy when he was shot, well ones as well. No,
it wasn't Kennedy, it was double. I mean, you can
change the story, sure, And that's what's happening. When I
listened to these stories over and over, and I used
to I have my own show when I was bringing
people on. I just got tired of bringing people that
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are telling stories to me. If it can't be provable,
then if it doesn't help the human race, it's totally useless.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And yet most most of the people, most of the
people that talk about government conspiracies cover ups all these
conspiracy theories. It's all talk. There's very little proof out there.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
See that's the biggest thing that I complained about. When
what's the thing the person has to prove it is
the person that's saying it exactly, not the person that's
listening to it. So if you're gonna say your God,
well prove your God. If you're going to say you're
an alien, prove it. What makes you different than us?
If you say you're an alien. I can go into
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that in great detail because I just had some incredible
things happening. But on top of all that, working with abductees,
which I started when I was twenty five, people that
were abducted and had implants stuck in them in different things.
The story is the same after you pull them out
of the programmed idea that they were stuck with. Now,
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Bud Hopkins isn't here to defend himself. I didn't like him,
I didn't agree with him, But my best friend was
the person that made him famous. She went on tour
with him for his first year, and he worked with
people I know, and basically he didn't help them with
their abduction. I mean, even look at Travis Waalson Walter Travis,
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He's still dealing with his situation that happened all these years,
and he was only abducted once. I'm dealing with people
with multiple abductions. And the girl that I'm talking about,
she was abducted for a couple of years, and I'm
staying in touch with her because I'm just seeing because
there's a lot of UFO stuff happening every which way
right now, and I'm just wondering if they're going to
be plugging her again. But in the interim, I got
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one of the most incredible stories I'm working on right now.
Trying to get publicity for it because we will bring
the most important information out to the world that the
world really needs to see or hear, or observe and
test for themselves. I'm talking are aliens real? Are Bigfoot reel?
I mean? Is there really ships? Are they real ships
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or the government ships? Or they are ships? Hmm, all
those kinds of questions. We plan on doing it where
we're working. I have a camera person that will do
the whole thing, but we want to do a six
point series and sell it to a company that's willing
to support it. I want them to be involved with
the information as we pull it out.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well, i'll tell you for I'll tell you what. I'll
tell you one thing Bigfoot Israel. There was a there
was a scientific discovery earlier this year that proves beyond
a shadow of a doubt that Bigfoot did exist and
does exist. It's a new hominin that was discovered and
the scientific information was found around Mount Saint Helen's.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Well, I can't go into that in detail. I can
with people involved with that right now.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I've got the I've got the scientific paper. I've had
Mitchell Townsend on the show, so you know that there's
no big secret about it.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, there's a lot of things. There's a city underground there,
and there's a lot of other things that government's taken
over at Mount Chaster right now. I mean, there's whole
bunch of movement going on, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, but how do we know this move How do
we know this movement is real? Like when people want
to when people want to bamboozle other people, they come
up with these great big stories about under underground basis,
and they come up with all this crap and corruption.
They sound like lunatics. So how can anybody take them seriously?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Well, see, here's the thing. If they don't have the
video and the proof, then they should shut up. Now
let me say this Phil Snyder, all right, he came
out and started talking about it, and then six months
later when he started talking about it, he kind of
got cremated. But in the interim he has body marks
that nobody could do with a knife or a cigarette
or anything. When he was hit by the gun the
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laser from the Allien, his hand was blasted on an angle,
his stomach was blown out and blew out his foot. Yeah,
that's not a normal thing. A person could recreate. Well,
I'm going to just set this up and make it
look like I was shot by a laser. Really, but again,
I have a friend in Long Island. Now, he's in
the nuthouse. He's been in there since nineteen ninety six.
Nineteen ninety six was the year the government decided to
(27:01):
go after a lot of people. They took out Phil Snyder,
they took John Ford. He's in the in the nuthouse
in Long Island. They killed a lot of people. My
best friend who worked for NASA, who I actually just
started showing some UFOs and we were going to do
something incredible. His whole family disappeared within three days, all right,
And that was in Jersey. A couple of my friends
(27:21):
disappeared as well. So when people say things, I showed
John Ford's video. It's the best video of a UFO
crash that was ever taken. He made four copies of
it centered around the world. If he dies, everybody in
the world will see him. If he lives, nobody will
see him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So let me ask let me ask you this. If
there's all this proof, how can the governments of the
world still deny the existence?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Uh, let's see first and you know, I keep asking
myself somebody has to slip up sooner or later, and
we'd have to be at that point right now to
be like the government president. I mean when they said
the president was talking about the aliens and stuff, he
was smiling and everything. But there has to be a
slip up. But I know, people, here's the problem. People
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that are telling stories stay out there and keep spreading
those stories. The people that have the truth disappear. In
nineteen ninety six, two hundred UFO people disappeared. A lot
of them were killed, a lot of them just disappeared.
So again, I'm talking to my best friend. I knew
him since I was twelve years old and he was
I was. This was only in ninety six that we
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were trying to show him UFOs. He said he was
working for NASA. He designed parts for the Space Shuttle
and everything else, but he said he wasn't allowed to
deal with urflos. The next night, I never got in
touch with him. Called his house for three days. I
kept him in his recording, called the school up. His
kids were gone, they didn't come to school, and I
found they left the recording on. For a year, I
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worked for the phone company, and I found out the
phone line was shut down, but it was left open
for anybody calling his number. And I used to call
once a week. Why don't you let him go? I
know you got him. What are you doing to him?
Why can't you let him go? He doesn't know nothing,
he's not a UFO person, and they never I never
heard from him again since that. But again, what you're saying,
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it is hard, But that's why they have to let
all these people with programmed ideas out there. It's owing
more junk on top of whatever could be real or
whatever is real. I worked with you name him. I
dealt with the top UFO people for i'd say about
thirty years. I mean Larry Warren who wrote lefted Eskate.
(29:33):
I was with him the month before he released his book.
These people have incredible stories his books. He actually did
a video a show on the History Channel when he
was at the base when the ship came over it. Now,
the captain, the general, all these different people came out
admitted touching the UFO and all these different things. So
(29:54):
even that's not real public even though it's there, they
admitted it. Now. I won't say per his name. She's
on coast to coast all the time and talks about
the story. And she kept the story going for like
six years. And it wasn't herd that broke the story.
It was the person that came out that was the
general captain at the time. It says, yeah, the ship
was there and he touched it. Uh. And I mean,
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Larry Warren is an incredible person, but it took him
ten years to get his own name back because once
he got thrown out of the army. Uh, they stripped
everything in solid security and everything about him.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
You've got to ask yourself, are these credible people? If
they're if they want to actually and they do violate
their their oath, Like, how can we trust anything? Well,
you say, how can you trust a trust?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Let me say this, I don't believe they're I mean
the word credibility to the average person means doctor. You
have to have a dr in front of you.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh no, no, you don't have to have a doctor
in front of your name. To be credible, you.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Have to be in the court of what good Sorry,
come on.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I was in law enforcement for a number of years.
I saw I saw a number of a fast number
of credible people in court giving testimony expert witness expert
experts in and they weren't doctors.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Here's here's the problem to that, all right, I'll explain
it two ways. Anybody that gets abducted for real, that
has a bad dream or has a bad vision, did
a bad drug or whatever. Somebody that was taken in
a ship for real, like Walter Travis, somebody that was
(31:41):
there and yes, sorry I got dyslexy. Sorry I was
regress everything, all right, But he uh had witnesses. The
whole thing. What I'm saying is once you get abducted,
like my best friend, I worked with hypnosis who her
for a couple of years, years after she stopped working
with Bud Hopkins. But uh, your mind will never be
(32:04):
the same as it was before it happened. Ever, But
no matter what you do, what drug you take. I mean,
I've been working with abductees for a long time now,
but one of them.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Has hypnosis isn't recognized. Hypnosis isn't recognized because if it was,
it could be used in court. And it's not because the.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Reason because wait, wait, wait because the reason.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Wait a second year reason why? The reason why is
because the person who is doing the the conducting the
hypnosis session can actually sway the person who is under hypnosis,
or you know, it's it's not a science.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Wait wait, I understand. Wait wait no, you say it's
not a science. Of course they say it's not a science.
Let me say why. Here's something that's a fact, and
I could tell you for a fact that it's true unhypnosis.
If the person gets hypnotized, i'man hypnotized not playing the
game that he hypnotized, you can make him do anything.
(33:05):
You can make him. Tell any person that's hypnotized, you
can make them do anything that you want them to do.
Hypnotism can't. Hypnotists can't say they can do that because
then it would be a danger to the world. Same
as wait wait, wait, let me finish this. The hypnotist
I worked with was an army hypnotist. He worked in
(33:25):
the army in World War Two. He was proving that
if he hypnotized somebody, they would go out and shoot
their brother, their sister, shoot their child. They would do
anything that they were programmed to do, like the person
that killed John Lennon, person that killed Ozzy Oswall. I
mean their programs that are stuck in their mind. They
cannot do anything about it if they're hypnotized by a
(33:47):
good hypnotist that knows what he's doing. Second, the wall,
we have entity go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Sorry, I'm trying to figure out who Ozzy Oswald.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Is Oswell, sorry, person kill the assassinated person that killed
Kennedy Lee Harvey Oswald. Right, Sorry, I'm very bad with names.
Good thing to caught me. But what I was trying
to say is when you hypnotize somebody, if you hypnotize them, right,
(34:16):
they only hear your thought. You reprogram what they're gonna see.
If they're gonna shoot your brother, you don't say you're
gonna shoot your brother. You're gonna say you're gonna shoot
this alien being or this creature or this a clone
of a person that's trying to take over your body,
your son, your brother's life. And you recreate an idea
that they believe. And that's what aliens have to do
when they hit, when they when they take somebody, they
(34:36):
put a program in them. Ninety percent of all alien
abductees and there's a conference coming up in two months
called Alien con con Abductor Experiences Conference. It's going to
be a program, a serious program. They're gonna do the
people that were already programmed. But when I work with
these people, I work from a spiritual level, and very
few hypnotists can do that either. And I'll say one thing,
(34:59):
no doctor, no psychiatrists will agree on aliens will agree
on abduction and agree on possession. So those things that
are real that mankind will not accept because they don't
want to can't be brought into reality. And then otherwise
too many people would get off from being murderers and this,
that and the other thing, And well Anellien made them
do it, or that's true, or.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Is it because these things really do not exist in
the mind of a rational person, that these are phobias,
they're psychiatric problems.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well, when a four year old gets possessed, all right,
when a child gets possessed by a DNA, I can
tell you multiple stories of sexual problems and things like that.
For me personally, I experience multiple things to prove that
at every level, like even past life regression, which I do,
and regression being aware of your past lives. I was
(35:57):
eleven years old, I never saw any woman. I had
a dream, the vision, whatever, it was a past life,
which I learned later. I was married to a Japanese
woman and was having sex with her. I was eleven
years old and never saw a naked body. I didn't
even see naked body until months later when I saw
my first Playboy magazine. And then it started trying to
(36:19):
relate to what my dream was about my experience because
I was shaking and crying when I woke up. I
had no idea what it was. I mean. But again,
when a person experiences something, something that they couldn't have
been told the program, which most people do, most killed
in a program by what their body. Even in the
body a child hears what's going around them. They feel
(36:39):
the vibration and the energy of things that are around them.
I've dealt with every aspect of these things at so
many different levels, so many different people. Again, when a
person's abducted and an alien takes them into their ship,
they've given the program. And that's the only reason why
the government in the beginning allowed them to abook so
many people is because they were not supposed to remember
(37:00):
anything that happened. Now, even the astronaut I'm there with names,
I had them on my show, but he said that
everybody's going to be abdupted twice in their life. And
this is the astronaut.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
When you talk when you when you talk about your show,
what network was it on or was it an internet show?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
There was freedom slips dot com, oh.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
An internet an internet audio show, an internet radio?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, internet radio show. I did a few. I did
a few TV shows as well, But again I was
dealing with multiple people. And I worked with hypnosis all
my life. And like what people say, Well, you can't
make anybody do anything they don't want to, And I said,
that's a total lie. If they get hypnotize the first
thing you do, you can make your on the bar
(37:46):
steel and then when you push on their hand, if
you can't with ther whole body up, they're faking. It's
that simple because you cannot do that with your physical mind.
So this test that you can do to people right
away to make sure that they're hypnotized. Uh, even Americans
got talent. They had a hypnotist come on and he
hypnotized Howie to do things that he would never have done.
(38:08):
But the next time he came out, he put somebody
on and they couldn't hypnotize them, and they just threw
them off the stage. But hypnosis is only geared to
people that are able to be hypnotized, and not everybody can.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So is it fair to say that hypnosis only works
on weak minded persons?
Speaker 4 (38:26):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So a person who doesn't, who has a weak mind,
who may have problems separating reality from fantasy as.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Well, well, that's kind of true. But here's what the
hypnotist that the Army hypnotist I work with said, his
name was Malprotus. He said to me, if you work
with a person that's doing drugs and you hypnotize them,
because he was doing people in the Army. He says
a lot of times these guys were on drugs and
when he hypnotized them, they wouldn't come back. And he
(39:00):
even there for a week hypnotize until they decide to
come back, because they treated it as a high. Once
their body started feeling different, they treated it as a
high and they didn't want to come back. He said,
the worst thing to do is hypnotize anybody on drugs
and make sure that they're not before you start. And
this is what he also told me because I was
a stage magician for half of my life and he
wanted me to teach him stage magic. Uh not stage magic, magic.
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Www dot Adventures into the Strange dot com. Tell me,
if these extraterrestrials are here, why don't they just make
themselves known to everybody? Why all the cloak and dagger,
why all the why all these separate selection, Why don't
(43:55):
they just just land in front of the White House,
in front of Parliament, hill On, Autowa, Buckingham Palace, you know,
Red Square, the whole bit.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Okay, here's the simple scenario for that. Why isn't the
United States, Russia, China, Germany, France, Italy, every country friends
with the gunment?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
All right?
Speaker 4 (44:15):
We have we have seven races coming to this planet
outside of the supposedly good ones. All right, they're fighting
right now. They've been fighting since our guvernment's been fighting
with them. I know. I mean, people don't have to
accept it. But the guvernment's been working with them as well.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (44:32):
I mean, even the whistle blowing.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
How do I know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
You said you said earlier that if a person says
something and they can't prove it, they're lying. So tell
me how can you prove it?
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Because I stood next to an alien I saw the
ship take off.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Do you have any photos I have my I was
eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
My best friend was with me when we saw it.
I have a lot of wait, wait, wait, let me
say this. I have a lot of pictures on my
site of a couple of ships that I shot that
was like two feet from me, above us, different things.
We have a ship that's bigger than the Empire State
Building in back of the Empire State Building. We shot
from forty five miles away. I mean, I have pictures.
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We had thousands of pictures. Nobody wanted to see pictures.
And I'm talking in ninety six because everybody wasn't making
pictures and silouetting pictures of UFOs over things and everything else.
They were all real. We had one of the best
pictures of a UFO blown up in New York City
by one of the top labs a thousand times, and
they measured the pixels and me. The only thing he
(45:34):
could say is it was never tampered with. It was
an actual photograph. That's all he could say. It's an
unidentified object, so that's all he would give us.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
All right, So you're an eleven year old child. You're
an eleven year old child with a I would imagine
you're very artistic.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Well I wouldn't say I was artistic. I was smart.
Okay for a word, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Would you would you say that you have had a
vivid imagination.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Well I wouldn't. I had an imagination. I didn't imagine things.
I didn't try to imagine things. Things just came to
me and I was showing things. Was like, okay, when
I was a witch, when I was sixteen, I could
put a spell or do something and watch somebody go flying.
I mean I could say something and watch within two days.
All right, Russ, Just to show you when you don't
(46:24):
control it, all right, how Rulu witchcraft and work and
energy works. I was in the fun company, sitting in
the thing, and I love fishing and if one guy
comes through or I went fishing up Brown Valley in Jersey.
I caught six trout. I said, you're only allowed to
keep two, but we just stuck them in the freezer
and took them. I said, that's karmer, and he said no,
(46:46):
and I said, Spirit will pay you back. He was
driving home on the highway smashed his car, went off
the divide. He was laid up in the hospital for
six months. He came back six months later, and then
he had the nerve to do something and say something
to me again. I said, well, Spirit's gonna watch protect
the truth and you're gonna be sorry. And then all
of a sudden bank he was back in the hospital
for another three months, just just energy thoughts, which people say, well, oh,
(47:10):
that's not really either. I studied. I didn't get into GOODU,
but I was in people that would hire priests, Voodoo
of Rulu Centeria and things like that. Jersey was the
highest in Santaia. We walked in western New York. All
the all the good of priests came in. They bought
all the churches and created Santaia, another horrible religion because
because they do kill things. I mean they rented hotels
(47:32):
and they would they would find fingers in the hotel rooms.
And this is in Jersey, in Western York. Uh, and
things like that. So I mean I dealt with every
level of it. Getting back to myself personally, I knew
what I was capable of doing. Then. Uh, I didn't
want to say the really bad thing because I don't
want to have a reverb of people saying it. But
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it's probably the worst thing you could possibly think of.
Then it happened directly within within three hours. So well,
was it a coincidence? Everything in life could be a coincidence,
the same as everything could be thought out and planned.
It's just a matter of how you want to relate
to it when it does happen, and how good of
the thought. Now on all these psychic people out there
(48:14):
claiming to work with aliens and angels, claiming all these
things that are going to happen in the next year,
I'm saying they're all dealing with entities, not Michael, Think Gabriel,
Michael and Metatron, Alphatron, all these different beings and angels.
We're dealing with demons or entities which have come in
since the Monto project opened up the Valtex, and people
(48:36):
will see it soon enough. Watch the world. Watch what's
going to happen. It will be destroyed in a great way.
I'm talking at least I see half of the planet
at least being destroyed, or we could never go into
the Golden Age, which will happen probably before twenty twenty.
But the destruction that will happen, I think it's going
to happen within three or four months starting anyway. I mean,
(48:58):
you can't already destroy the ocean. People don't even want
to look at that. The Fukushima wave has hit the
West coast and they're not doing a thing about it.
What can they do. They have to close everything down,
which they're not going to do yet. Nobody's talking about
what jade Helm's doing and they're not saying a word,
but they're prepared to do something. If people don't want
to be aware and look at the facts and say, well, no,
(49:18):
I pray everything's going to be okay. The angels are
protecting us. The allens are going to come down and
make us all spiritual beings, right, I'm against that completely.
No alien that I dealt with at any level, even
when I worked with the person that was possessed. Aliens
do possess people as well, in a different way than
than an entity. Would you know I possessions?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Oh, for the past forty minutes, you know you've come
across as as a person who is an expert in UFOs, spirits, bigfoot, aliens, angels, WICCA,
alien abduction entities. You know you've done so much.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Right, and why is that all that? Might?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
From my partner, here's my question. Can you prove any
of this? Because you said if a person cannot prove it,
they're lying. So how can you prove this?
Speaker 4 (50:12):
All? Right? Here's what? Okay? Do you know the name
Sean David Martin?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (50:19):
He used to take people to the area fifty one
and what and right with a band and bring those
people to see the ships land there every two weeks
until the government caught them and then they bought all
that land around it. The same as we took people
up to one community, Jersey to see the things that
we saw up there. Famous people came there, I mean
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the crystal skull was brotht there too as well, and
he wanted to see what would happen with the crystal
skull if he was put on that vortex. One of
the girls was laying on the ground in this ball
light just peered over whole body. Everybody saw it, So
I like when I didn't. When we were election around
the United States, we would bring people out at nighttime
and let them see the things as well. Now a
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good friend of mine, Ed Grimsley, He's got twelve nighties
and glasses. He take people out at night time. He
just went on the cruise Who's thrown up to Alaska
and they take people and they let them see the
ships fighting in space. Right now, if I could get
somebody to come to my house, it's a good camera.
They can film a ship over my house almost every
other night when the sky's clear. I'm playing with it.
(51:21):
I'm blinking my side it. It's blinking back three times
and different things. I'm doing a lot of things, but
I can't get nobody. I have cheap cameras and I
just tried filming it. I can't get it. This camera
crew that I have there in Jersey, they'll come to
Arizona because that's where my other friend is being abducted
and actually actually killed. The Gray has the proof, wanting
(51:43):
to go public with everything that they have.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
What kind of proof?
Speaker 4 (51:45):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (51:46):
What kind of proof?
Speaker 4 (51:47):
He cut the alien half, He got the blood and
a piece of the alien, and they analyze it in
three different universities, analyze the blood, the sample of the skin,
and it's a documented story right now. So uh. And
the other thing is we have body parts of a
bigfoot and we do have a frozen alien. So yeah,
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I want I don't want to do it. I'm not
doing it for the money.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Two people need to do it for the money because
he find to sell as property. There's a vortext on
there and he's trying to get off of it. I'm
dealing with a medicine woman. I'm dealing with a whole
bunch of people right now with the money part of it,
like fitting together for somebody to pay.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Hey, Tommy, we've got to we've got to see so
long for tonight, Penal's Uh, it's been a challenge, I
mean a pleasure talking to you. I don't believe a
word you've said. I think that you shouldn't give up
on your meds. I don't know explanation. This is more
(52:50):
proof of why here on the X Zone some actually
do bite the dust. Another one, are you a believer
or a skeptic? Send me an email xone at xon
(53:11):
Radio TV dot com. Just imagine that somebody finds an alien.
They don't call CNN, they don't call Fox, they don't
call any major media. What they do is they cut
it in half. And of course they don't want to
make money. Oh no, they don't want to make money.
They're scam artists for God's sake. And when it comes
(53:33):
to hypnosis, you can only hypnotize a person who wants
to be If a person does not want to be hypnotized,
you cannot do it. And I am living proof of that.
I'll lean back on the other side of this break
as we continue hearing the X Zone from our broadcast
center in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Another one, sit when you away. But you can hide
a man and bring it to the ground. You can
beat him, you can treat him and treat him barely,
leave them right his down day. But I'm ready get
(54:12):
them redy for you. I'm standing, Oh my god,
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