June 17, 2024 • 59 mins
House Representative John Talley comes onto the podcast to debunk Molly Jenkins claims on him, I had questions and a sheet from Molly to ask John about these issues Molly want to point out to the public, I had John on to clear things up because while I do support John after hearing Molly speak I was suspicious of John and had to have him on to the podcast to answer a lot of questions, and oh how he had answers! I was very glad to hear John defending himself against quite a few skeptical claims. I hope you listen this whole episode especially if you in or around District 33, this could affect you if we don’t vote for the right people to be in office!
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What's up, guys. Welcome backto another podcast, another episode of the
Healey Cast. And my guest todayis Representative thirty four District three thirty three.
We have two representatives here still wereareas, so I get them confused.
District thirty three, John Tally,Yes, sir, welcome back.
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We've had you, Thank you.We had you on what three four years
ago? Four years ago? Fouryears ago? And how have you done
so far? Uh? That's aloaded question, is it? But but
I want to make sure that peopleunderstand now that District thirty three used to
be called District thirty three Payne County. Correct, Now it actually goes all
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the way down to I thirty fiveand what is it Golden Chick where Guthrie
is, where Guthrie is real,and then all the way to drum right
really, and so I lost Perkins, the main part of Perkins. And
then I'm not in Stillwater, themain part of Stillwater. So what district
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is Perkins? Perkins now is inthirty two, which is Kevin Wallace's Okay,
so everything changes every ten years,every years. It depends on the
maximum amount of people in Oklahoma.And so they said we grew about four
hundred thousand people grew up to fourmillion, and so now everybody's supposed to
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take all one hundred of us aresupposed to take approximately forty thousand people.
Wow, instead of it was thirtyeight five and now it's forty thousand,
So five thousand more people. Basically, where is it forty thousand more people?
No, it would be two thousandmore for each one of the Okay,
I got you, Okay, Igot you Okay. Wow. I
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mean that's quite a bit of peoplethat have moved into Oklahoma. What's causing
the move just because of Blue statesdoing what they kind of do or that,
that's definitely part of it. Butyou got a lot of people that
didn't like the fires out in Nevadain California, and so they've moved.
Some people from New York have movedhave moved in, and some businesses have
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moved in, especially higher area becausethey have that really big industrial park.
And so I don't even know allof them, but like Canoe that bills
cars moved into Oklahoma City. I'maware of Canoe Canoes kind of a competitor
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against Tesla, I believe, yes, yes, and uh. Instead of
picking Tulsa, Tesla or Elon pickedAustin, and then Canoe picked, I
mean picked us. So I meanjobs all around. That's the main point,
right, getting jobs to people.Uh, what's our employment rate here
in Oklahoma? Do you know?It's four point right now? So has
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it? It's gone up? It'sgone up just a little bit, like
from three to seven three point sevento four percent. And I never do
understand exactly the unemployment rate because whenI drive through Cushing and still Water and
Yale, there's always science up thatsay, you know, need help,
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right, So how come people aren'tworking? That bothers me because I think
COVID has still had an impact onus of people not wanting to get out
but get some of that ARPA money, but not go to work. And
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so I don't know. Well,I mean we need teachers, We definitely
need teachers. I've heard about thewhole teaching thing. It's not it's just
like we have well I heard astatistic just recently. We have like thirty
six thousand teachers that could teach inthe state of Oklahoma, but they decide
no. I mean, they havethe degree to teach, but instead they
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pursued something else. For a career. Well, we lost I mean in
dealing with this, we lost aboutfour hundred and fifty childcare centers. Okay,
so like Renaissance here in Stillwater,it's a great place for kids,
but we lost like five around Stillwater. So if you had kids and you
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wanted to go to work, you'vegot to find a place that one you
can afford. So you've got tohave a high enough paying job that you
could. But if you can't findthe childcare place, so out here on
sixty eighth Street and something that's,you know, like four miles out of
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town. I went out there tocheck because she's a new childcare place,
and she said she was struggling.She would like to take people. And
I didn't understand this. There's somuch to understand in government, definitely,
okay, and you've only been therefor four years, six years, six
years, but there's so much tolearn. Let's say that you don't make
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a lot of money and you geta credit card kind of thing from DHS
Department of Human Services. They wantto help you with your childcare. Okay,
so you've got to find a childcarecenter that will give that has a
credit card reading machine from DHS.Well, this lady out there, she'd
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been she applied four months ago andthey said they were working on it.
She had five people that wanted tocome, but she can't accept them until
she gets right. So I calledand guess what, the next day they
got the machine. That's one ofthe frustrating things, you know. I
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have that little tiny thing that saysState House of Representatives I wear on my
lapel. Yeah, it's it's sad. But when I call and check on
things, it's different than when youcall. And that's not right. No,
it shouldn't be No, it shouldn'tbe that way at all. I
mean, you are a representative.I get that you're a representative. At
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the same time, even if Icalled, they should still be able to
hand that's right. Yeah. AndI think a lot of people that are
are thinking about running for government jobsthink that okay, I'm for whatever it
is, correct, and and theylimit themselves because this past week, even
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though the election is coming up,I drove way out in the country on
a dirt road and just pausing.The election is June eighteenth, correct,
yeah, eighteenth, like two daysout there. Lea posted tomorrow. Yeah,
I'll be editing tonight, okay,and getting this done and we'll have
it out tonight. Well, justlike we drove down this dirt road to
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your home and I went out thereand it hasn't been graded in like two
years, and they've been calling thecounty commissioner. Well, I drove out
there and I met with all twentypeople that live down this strt road.
They were like, thank you somuch. No one's ever visited us.
And I'm like, but isn't thatwhat your state representative should be doing is
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finding problems and fixing them exactly,And so that's what I try to do.
Let's talk about the campaign real quick. Okay. Yeah, your last
time I checked, you were fourpoints ahead of your opponent, Molly Jenkins.
I have. I went and satwith the GOP and listened to her,
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and she had some interesting points,and I just want to bring up
a few of them. I don'twant to go through the whole list.
This would take us all night.Yeah, just like my very first one,
that kind of bothers me. I'llbecome honest. You co sponsored allowing
illegal aliens to obtain an Oklahoma driver'slicense. Explain thank you for bringing that
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up. Actually it it seems tome that people don't read the five or
ten or twenty page law that we'retrying to pass. They just look at
your the header or the title ofthe bill. Yeah, so I actually
brought the read the first or secondparagraph. But like you said, if
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it's five to ten pages, I'lladmit, I'm not going to read a
five to ten page bill. I'llread the first or second to second paragraph
and be like, Okay, thisis basically what I kind of understand of
it. So one of the representatives, Ryan Martinez, came to me and
he said, John, and hebrought with him Farm Bureau people, Oklahoma
Highway Patrol people, state and soI've got it written right here. What
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they handed me the Oklahoma State Chamberand forty other groups that support this bill.
And I looked at it and Iwas like, oh, AFLCIO Cattleman's
Association, And they said, John, Oklahoma is the number one state of
uninsured drivers, number one. Soif you have a wreck, there's a
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one in ten chance the person thatwrecks into you it's their fault, but
they're uninsured. But they're uninsured,so your insurance is going to have to
pay for your car. And it'sgonna go up or they're going to drop
you. We could do something aboutthat. And I said, oh,
okay, what are you talking about. And they said, well, there's
thirty five document it legal. Theyhave a green card or they have a
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work visa. Immigrants in Oklahoma.And I said, okay, I see
them everywhere. I mean they dofingernails. They roof houses right down our
street. There were five guys.They roofed a house in one day.
Yeah, you know they mowlans.And they said, we would like for
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those people to be allowed to geta driver's license. It's a two year
driver's license, which will allow themto buy insurance if they if half of
them bought insurance for the car they'realready driving, right, it could drop
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everyone else's car insurance by thirty percent. Now you're running me back over,
Okay, would you would you forthat? When I'm like, yes for
that myself. Yes, I seedrivers all the time. I don't check
their license. Does that make thema legal citizen? Now? No,
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no, it doesn't. The wayto get down legal aliens to obtain an
Oklahoma driver's license. Generally, ifyou're getting a driver's license, you and
I were citizens of this great country, were citizens of this great state.
So typically when when I hear thatkind of stuff, I'm like, so
does this make them a citizen?Now it has a two year expiration date,
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that makes more sense. I'm actuallymore for this as long as it
helps the Oklahomas with their insurance.And I'm okay, yeah, I was
going to be to you on thatone, but now you got people would
have stopped and looked at it.They would have been for it. And
what's interesting is is my opponent,the people that are backing her elain it
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and putting it, well, it'sbecause they don't want to. But what's
funny is if you read this,the company that the dark money that's supporting
her, they actually were for this. OCPA was actually for this. Their
name is listed on here. Thereis out of state too, aren't they
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Almost in every state there's some people. She's getting all of her flyer stuff
done out of Arizona. So it'sdark Knight heard someone Arizona. So it's
funny that she says, no,what's what's the name of the money.
She says, I'm taking lobbyist money, lobbyist money, and and what she's
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not saying is lobbyists won't give tosomeone that's never run because they don't know
how they're going to vote. Andreal quick ladies and gentlemen off camera is
sol Tally John's son, as wellas in your favorite football Coach, Yes,
say, my favorite football coach mademe the quarterback for his team because
he didn't have a choice because everyonegot hurt. Still one, well,
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because I screwed up and ran intothe end zone. Whether it's one or
one hundred and one, it countsas one. No, I'm all for
that. Then two year a twoyear driver's license and the light driver's licenses
are different color, okay, andso so it's obvious. It's obvious.
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Yeah, and you can't vote withit. So hey, that was that,
But see people twist. That wasmy next question, would you be
able to vote with something? Howmany pages was that bill by the time,
it was, oh, I thinkit goes thirteen pages long, and
so she took thirteen pages and condensedit to how many sentences are there?
Four or five? Three? Okay, three sentences. She took thirteen pages
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and condensed it to three sentences,which you know, all of those votes
on that whole page every bill,there's so much more nuances to it,
and then you can put on onepage, but that doesn't move the needle
for people. They don't want tosit down and study it. They want
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representatives to go vote on it.And it's super easy to run when you've
never had to vote against somebody who'staken over six thousand votes. Out of
six thousand votes, there's twelve thirteenthat she's got a problem with, and
most of those are four or fivesix years old that my opponents in the
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past four times had brought up,like, what's the deal with a House
Bill twenty five ninety seven? Youvoted against allowing lawful sisens to exercise their
Second Amendment right to constitutional carry.Okay, Actually that is called the Permanentist
Carry Bill, And so I putit out. I have about five hundred
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on an email list, and Isaid, hey, here's the bill.
What do you think It's twenty sevenpages long, and it's to allow anyone
that's twenty one that's legal to beable to buy a gun and carry it
concealed or not concealed. Why twentyone are we talking a handgun? Twenty
one? Yes? Okay, Soeighteen we're still allowed to do rifles.
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Yes, that's right, but wejust changed that law too, so i'll
have to it in just a minute. So six years ago that was my
first gun bill. One hundred andeighty eight constituents from District thirty three emailed
me and said, John, voteno, there's no training and I know
a lot of twenty one year oldsthat drink and act dumb. No,
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that's true, and could now carrya gun concealed or not concealed, just
out in the open. I hadtwo people reach out that said vote yes
on it. So do you thinkthat a state representative is supposed to represent
their constituents? And I do,right. I was just gonna ask you
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those two people that told you tovote yes, were they, by chance
a bigger corporation such as maybe aNR A type of Really, they're just
two constituents here in Payne County.I thought that's where you were going with
that. No, okay, No, really okay. And I didn't look
at it a constitutional carry bill becausethere's twenty four pages where you cannot carry
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a gun. You can't carry agun in courthouse, you can't carry a
gun in schools, you can't carrya gun in Stol. I heard that.
I heard that that was up fordebate for universities carrying unit. It
was. It's been almost every yearand it hasn't passed. No, So
that's why I didn't look at itas a constitutional carry because to me,
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to carry a gun everywhere, anytime, for any reason means they could carry
it into the capitol. True,Okay, So out of that bill because
I voted No, I've had adeath threat, people calling and saying you
voted wrong. You know, weknow where you live, your family,
and go into the capitol at thatpoint. No, Now, don't get
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me wrong, the capital, eventhe post office. These are the places
I'm naming, you know, ourPayn County courthouse. These are the places
you technically can't bring guns into.But at the same time, we the
people do technically own those places,so we can technically, we can technically
record in there as much as wewant, like I've seen the auditors obviously,
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That's what I'm saying. So whatwhat's the reason for us not being
able to have guns in these locations? If you willn't, okay, so
answer this question for me. Whyat NRA okay too, Trump rallies Why
can't people carry guns assassination attempts?Sure? No, I was I just
I just wanted to ask the wholequestion. I mean, I've had people
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slam doors in my face at theCapitol, yell and scream and cuss me
out. I mean that if theyhad, But that's our first Amendment,
right, and I mean, you'rerepresenting us. We should be able to
come talk to you. Maybe no, maybe not curse you out. And
obviously I won't come curse you out, but I would love to knock on
your door and just you a conversation, which is awesome what I've experienced with
you. Your door's always open.I've been able to email you. You
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are a busy man, and youget back to me as much as possible.
But your door's generally always open asmuch as possible, especially with FCA,
and it's just you're a busy guy. Well, and so think what
if I mean. I was watchingthe eighth grade Saw was coaching eighth grade
football game, and some parents fromDeer Creek got mad at the referees,
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came down right next to the fieldand started yelling cusswords and saying to the
refs, We're going to get youin the parking lot. What if they
had a gun on them, that'dbe an issue. See, And so
that's where you got to think.If people lose their ever love and mind,
that's why you can't carry a guninto an OSU football game. That
makes sense. So six years agoI voted no on this bill. Yes,
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now it's been six years. Ivoted twenty nine times. Even just
about a month and a half ago, I voted to lower the age because
look, if you're a eighteen andyou can go to war, for me,
we lowered the age of guns handgunsto be allowed to be bought really
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to eighteen. Interesting, Yeah,you think they're mature enough. No,
I still think you need Like whenSaul was a little boy, we went
out and target practice with his Oh, I bought him a nineteen thirty single
shot twenty two, and he hadto show me safety. He had to
act right, and so shout outto Winchester by the way. So,
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but kids today don't have the grandpasand the uncles. And it doesn't seem
like I don't have the grandpa's.I mean I have the uncle. Like
my dad's brother always invites me upto Minnesota to go hunting. And learn
and hope you go. I shouldbe going probably this fall alert to do
like real trapping for trapping. Soin the past six years, yes,
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I didn't vote for that, butit I voted in. So I said,
you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to make it a
free gun safety course at my house. And so college students, even some
professors have come out to my house. I've hired an NRA guy to do
gun safety. Now it's not aconcealed carry, but it's just here's how
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you make the gun safe. Here'show you loaded or is it just it's
just a course on just how tohow to do it. And then they
get to shoot and and all thebullets are free. I buy them.
And so I want people to besafe with guns, and so that's why
we do it. And so there'sbeen quite a few professors at OSU that
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went out and bought a gun butdidn't even know how to load it.
And so they bring it out thereand we let them shoot, and we
have as long as they have asafe place to learn, right, And
I mean, you're a great teacher. I mean, well, my friend
Scott Peterman is a great teacher,but he talks about stance and how to
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do it so that when I tookthe concealed carry course, Yep. There's
about twenty of us sitting around atable over in Sumner, Oklahoma church and
the guy says, take your gun, make it safe, put it in
front of you so you unload it. Said it right there, and he
said, I want you to lookat that gun. If you can't kill
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someone with that, you don't needto be in this course because we're gonna
teach you how to be safe.But the whole point is if you pull
that out, you're either gonna killsomeone or you're gonna eat it right.
They're gonna take it away from youand hurt you. I remember there's a
Florida sheriff that maybe it was Florida, maybe it was Nevada, one of
those two states. The sheriff said, the intruder was shot and or was
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fleeing and was shot by a goodsamaritan, and you're not in trouble.
We would just like you to cometo the police station and we'll give you
free courses on how to handle agun, because we prefer the victim,
or not the victim, but theperpetrator to be dead, so we don't
have to pay the bills for thisguy. It's like, okay, so
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that's that's what that So twenty nineother times I've only I've one to twenty
nine is my voting records. SoI have an A rating with the NRA.
Ooh and and it's been out therethough that I have an F rating
and that's not true. Okay,interesting why, I mean, obviously the
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reason is to just slander and justtried to get into your position. Obviously,
right, let me ask you,this is an interesting one. Voted
to give preference to LGBTQ IA plusfor membership on Oklahoma child welfare boards.
The whole bill was about ten pages. It was six years ago. I
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was pretty new, and I didn'tread in there. It doesn't give preference.
It just says, and we don'teven have that board. That's what's
funny about this. They're trying tocreate a board. And I'm if I
get re elected, I will doa board, or I will try hard
to do a board. Department ofHuman Services is the only agency out there
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that doesn't have an overseeing board.And in this bill that Jason Dunnington did,
it said and I didn't. Ididn't read the fine print, so
it's my fault. Anybody can beon this board that that's what it was,
and the governor gets to pick them. Okay, but in it it
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said in the fine print even ifyou are LGB lesbian, you could be
on that board. Is gender Wellthat was six years ago, so who
knows you by or gender non comYeah, the alphabet one is getting to
me and the less one I don't. So I did vote on that,
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but it never made it. Wedon't have that. And here's the thing
that people don't understand. Yep.Jason Dunnington was trying to pass that,
and we were asked by the Speaker, by Speaker McCall, listen, when
we take the title off of abill, and most people don't understand this.
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So you look up there on whatyou're voting on and it says housing
for poor people. Right, that'sgoing to cost money. So we're going
to take the title off, putparentheses around it, and now it can't
go to the governor until it comesback to us. So, out of
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respect for everyone on this floor,vote yes to give them a chance to
fix it. So I voted yes, like the speaker ask me to interest
and but it never passed. Wedon't We still don't have that board that
I would like to create. Butnow I'm smarter about how I read things.
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Okay, So, so giving youanother six years would not be a
bad idea? Well, I hope, so I don't think so. I
mean I came in here with amindset of thinking, I'm like, Okay,
I'm gonna challenge him. Yeah,get like, especially with the co
sponsor and allowing illegal aliens to obtaina driver's license, Like, I'm like,
they're gonna be able to vote.This is gonna be a domino effect
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all this. You clearly were prepared. You came here, you and you
laid it out just how it shouldbe. Uh. I don't know if
there's one on there I'd like tobring up just to show people, right,
Uh, there's one that this wasI voted to expand government, so
it's going to cost us more,and it's it says you created service Oklahoma.
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Is that on that list? Service? Social? But against allowing Second
Constitution authorized millions in corporate welfare tothe anti American National Basketball Association. Oh
yeah, the NBA thunder But theyshould pay more. I think and it
was because it was whenever the nationalanthem situation was going on where athletes were
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taking a knee. And so theaccusation is that all the NBA is liberal
and we shouldn't support them at all. But if you look a bit of
our team, that's what that's what, that's I should have voted against that
to get rid of our team.And you know, the thunder or like
one of the few things that O. S U and OU people can like
come together on. And I thinkeverybody kind of enjoyed the run that they
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went on this year. I meanwe've enjoyed. We enjoyed the Hornets when
Katrina hit and we made it abig deal in the Ford Center, and
then we updated our arena, andthen we had Clay Bennett by the Sonics
and then relocate them here and we'vehad a great black until number thirty five
screwed it up for everyone else.Okay, so it's been a great economic
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Yeah, are you guys ever,like, can I recommend for the house
so like for like school for teachingkids? Can we like when we get
to the thirties, can we dothirty one, thirty two, thirty three,
thirty four, thirty six, thirtyseven, cut out thirty five,
cut out thirty five. We don'tneed that number anymore, or change the
name of Durant Oklahoma, Oklahoma.So let me finish though. Okay.
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So I've been told that I thatI'm trying to expand government and I'm not
Service Oklahoma. Have you bought alicense plate or gotten your driver's license renewed?
Yes, you went to the TagAgency. Well, we're trying to
make the Tag agency more important.Now. I couldn't do it here in
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Stillware. I had to go tothe Perkins Tag Agency because still War's Tag
Agency is difficult. Yeah, andwe're trying to make it better. So
we changed the name from Tag Agencyto Service Oklahoma so that eventually, when
we get all the kinks worked outof it. We had to improve all
the computers, but eventually we wantyou to instead of driving to Oklahoma City
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to get a death certificate, allkinds of stuff, your Service Oklahoma.
So all we did was change thename. So could you get your Social
Security like a newborn child get theirSocial Security card from there? No,
because that's federal. Okay. Yeah, And just like birth certificate, you
can get a birth certificate there,birth certificate, death certificate. We're trying
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to make it more use of friendly. But we didn't add to the government.
We just changed the names. Becauseso there's no more DMV. No,
there's still a DMV and it's downby our daily bread on twelfth Street.
There's no tag agency. There's nomore tag agency. It's Service Oklahoma.
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So all we did was change thename. But I'm being attacked that
I was trying to expand government.We're trying to make government smarter. We're
trying to make government work more forthe people, better for the people.
Not more for the people, butbetter for the people. It's easier for
the people. Kind of like aone stop place to get your Oklahoma document.
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Yeah, or or an on quon Q. It is still water
so yeah, yeah yeah on cue. Yeah. What is this? Voted
against halting the Orwellian policy that forcedconcerned parents to undergo government propaganda of classes.
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What is that? That's something madeup? I think it was put
on there to make controversial policy.This policy sought to mandate government classes for
cautious parents who had concerns about governmentmandated vaccinations vaccination effects on their children.
Talli's vote effectively supported this intrusive governmentoverreach disregarding the rights of diligent and informed
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parents. I think they just putthat on there to add one more thing
to the list. That's I'm notsure. See there's some guys, so
I'm just reading from the list.There's there's something that people don't understand.
I didn't when rules come out.So when government agencies, Oklahoma government agencies
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like the Department of What's Schools,the State Department of State Department of Education,
they want to come up with somenew rules, they send them to
us and we vote all for itor all against it. There's no take
this out, okay, and sothere's they can work in there. They
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can't. There are four thousand rulesthat we voted on this year. Yeah,
and so there's a rules committee andthey just say, Okay, the
Department of Human Services wants to changethese ten rules. We don't ever see
them. Do you vote for themor do you vote against them? And
so they sometimes whoever on the rulescommittee can do some things to you that
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you don't know. I got you. I got a call from the guy
that owns on Q and he said, John, there's some rules coming out
by the state government that's going tohurt on Q and quick trip and places
like that. Would you vote noon these rules? Okay, well there
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were forty seven rules. I justwanted to vote no on this one.
All the rest of them were good, but you have to vote no on
all of them. And so peoplewere mad at me, and I'm like,
I'm doing what my constituents wants.So it's it's not as easy as
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people say it is. Why aren'twe doing a one vote kind of like
on one subject instead? We're goingto try to change that next year if
I get back in. Anthony Moorefrom Clinton Oklahoma wants to fix that so
that it makes it more clear whatyou're voting on instead of here's this package,
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right, it's yes or no.It definitely needs to be fixed on
the federal level because when you know, the media can turn any kind of
bill into whatever they want, itsounds like it needs to be changed on
our state level as well, whereit can help the constituents to understand why
you voted for it better or whyyou didn't vote for it better because it's
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on one subject. Instead, Hey, we had forty eight you know subjects,
and I voted yes on one andI know on the other one or
wanted to, but when I votedyes, they all became yes is or
vice versa. So you know,you explained it well. But I think
the other thing is America is advancedcitizenship, Like you have to actually get
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in there and study it. Andit's a lot easier to have somebody show
you that and make you scared andtell you who to blame for it than
it is to actually pay attention,because that's that's a lot easier to just
let somebody tell you what to beafraid of. That's true. I've read
about one thousand bills this year andlearned that if it says a mandatory at
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the top of the bill, thatmeans I don't this is already law this
ten twenty thirty four. Did youknow the marijuana bill is over seven hundred
pages long, and so every yearwe add about twenty laws to it because
we didn't know when we got thissix years ago that the Chinese cartel,
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the you know, the Mexican,the Chinese, the Irish from Ireland or
here, yes, really and theyown land like ther A or yeah,
Ira is it the Iris? Yeah? So what people don't understand is what
if they came and said, youknow what, we don't want this house,
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but we want some land back here. We're gonna pay you twenty thousand
dollars an acre, and we'll payyou fifty thousand just to use your name.
Here's a backpack full of one hundreddollars bills, Jesus. And so
that's what the Chinese triads were doing. Is there were over three hundred illegal
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in Payne County and so we've closedabout two hundred of them. But they
they're selling marijuana in Florida. Howare they buying? My first question,
sorry for interrupting. No, howis the Chinese buying? And when they're
foreign? Well that's the deal.Are we not allowed to know for they're
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not allowed to but they keep yourname on the deed because the technically own
the lands, right Yeah, Andyou just got a backpack full of cash,
right, so you've got to cashsome groceries for the rest of your
life. All these patriotism is outthe door, exactly. And we never
talk about that farmer or that rancheror that I got letters all the time
saying hey, we only want oneacre of your land. We'll pay you
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fifty thousand, and we'll pay youfifty thousand for your name, one hundred
thousand dollars for one acre of ourland right next to our house. Billy
weed And I'm like, no,I'm not selling that. But a lot
of people sold and then moved sothat they didn't take the heat for somebody
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growing illegal marijuana. What does thisdo to the real estate taxes and everything
like that, because I know,like when you're building a new neighborhood or
even like the Yukon just recently voteddown the Amphitheater because everyone knew their taxes
was going to go up about seveneight percent higher because of the revenue and
the district that was coming there,so they voted know on that Amphitheater.
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Is the atmosphere of that with thesecartels and Chinese. Well, Clay Bertram
is a cattleman here around here,and the Cattleman's Association says that land is
almost too expensive. If you wantedto get into it and start a cattle
operation, you couldn't do it.You can't afford the land. Jeff Beasley,
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who owns the Duncan Theater and Gofredo'sin Cushing, said John the land
around Stillwater is so expensive. Iwant to put in some dunkin Donuts over
here, donut shops. But hesaid it's so expensive because of the marijuana,
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because dispensaries or is it the actualthe illegal growth have made the prices
of land go up so much.So he there are several people that think,
and I'm not sure, but severalpeople think, did you notice that
we only have one car wash andstill and now we have I heard a
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rumor that or a theory that it'ssome type of money laundering scheme, right,
I mean you're you're the first official. Well, I there's no way
to really look into it because there'sits technically legal at that point, it
has been laundered. I've watched BreakingBad. I know how it works.
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Okay, I haven't watched Breaking Bad, but I was gonna leath the weapon
too. But that's the first placeI heard it. So it's just interesting.
People want to come in and say, Okay, these guys are doing
the wrong thing at the Capitol.You're talking about new people coming in,
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the new people are running. Butif you looked at who's funding them,
if you look at what that groupfunding them stands for, a lot of
these groups don't want public schools.A lot of these groups. How how
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can I say this, I'll justsay it. Well, they don't want
union, they don't want well,they say, well, Ryan Walter says
all the time that teachers are communistsor teachers are woke. Teachers are teaching
our kids all this bad stuff andthey really want them to go to private
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schools. But there's no private schoolingCoil. There's no private school in Ripley
or so. We have still privateschools. Yeah, yeah, we do,
and we have some really good ones. But what people don't understand is
the laws that govern public school Sowhen my wife was running the district,
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a kid was at Sunnybrook, whichis a great school, but they didn't
have someone to come in and teachoccupational therapy and physical therapy to a kid.
Well, the law says that sincethat kid is in Stillwater School district,
Stillwater had to send those two peopleto Sunnybrook Christian School and take care
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of that kid, and Sunnybrook didn'thave to pay for it. Still what
a public schools did, but thatkid wasn't in still what to public schools.
So people don't understand the laws theygot the taxpayer paid for it,
right when he wasn't even in ataxpayer system for it to be paid,
right, So really the private schoolshould have paid ultimately, or the parents
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of that child should yes paid.Basically, I don't understand here, Oh
you got one of those two.Basically, I don't understand why you're gonna
have to pick if you pick me. Do you believe James Langford and that
I am for certain things? Doyou believe Attorney General Gettner Drummond? Do
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you believe Frank lucas you know?Or do you believe James Langford? Bothers
me because he supported a a billthat was supposed to go towards The bill
was titled like it was supposed tobe for the border, but instead we
said it sent like sixty billion toeighty billion to Ukraine instead. And well,
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to my understanding, Langford was thesponsor of that bill. Okay,
did you read the five hundred pages? No? I did? Okay,
So what he said, yes,and how people twisted it. Okay,
we don't send any cash. Wenever have sent any cash military grade weapons,
right right, right, So whenit says sixty billion or whatever,
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we sent military aid a lot ofpeople said that his bill to stop illegal
aliens coming across, that it wasgoing to allow more. It wasn't.
People want Trump to be able toclaim that as victory, and so they
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twisted, just like my opponent,they twisted what Langford did. That was
a good bill. It would havestopped totally illegal aliens coming across. But
people want Trump to do that sothat I don't he who does it?
I just want it exactly, that'smy thing. Just kind of like where
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Trump was being pressured on who doyou want to when Russia or Ukraine,
he said, I want people tostop dying. I want people to stop
coming into our country. That's mything, right, I want them to
come in the legal port of entry. You know, the backgrounds, the
checks that we do at the legalports, not over a fence or you
know, not throwing babies into ariver or what. You know. There's
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a crazy situation that's going down down. It is by the border. So
I mean, but federal law isdifferent than state law. Correct, federal
bills they can put by the federalgovernment, correct stuff. Yes, because
we're beingensued by the federal government,would we do well because we passed a
law a month ago that said ifyou're an illegal alien and you get stopped,
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you can be detained, you canbe you can have uh, you
know, ice cold or yeah,all kinds of stuff. But the federal
government, Joe Biden said, hey, you know, we legally as a
state can't deport people, but wewere not need porting. We're saking you
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have to leave. We can sendthem anywhere else in the United States,
kind of like what Governor Abbott andGovernor Desantez has been doing. They've been
sending them to blue states. Underto my understanding, are we doing something
somewhere because yeah, But so thewhole point of our law is you're driving,
you you drive recklessly, you getstopped, you don't have any papers
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on you. We can say youhave to leave within three days or you
go to jail. Guys. Okay, Now, I think Texas, because
they're on the border, they shouldbe able to deport. I think because
they're on the border, I thinkany border state, totally agree. So
north or South, whichever border,I think they should be able to have
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that right state right to deport thepeople they don't want there. Totally agree.
But I was just saying that,yes, people sorry for getting on
missed. No, No, peoplemisread what Langford was trying to do just
they twisted it just so that Ibelieve that bill didn't go through. No,
it didn't. It didn't. Butin federal bills they can add lots
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of stuff. In Oklahoma, itcan only be one subject. So if
you want to change the speed limiton I thirty five from Kansas to Oklahoma
City, it can only be that. It can't be other highways. It
can be other highways and stuff.It can only be one subject, so
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you can't. But in federal lawyou could say, Okay, we want
to change that speed limit. Wewant to add some money to build a
bridge in Talaquah. We're going toput some money in there for osutel CLO
is not even on I know,But that's why I'm saying. Federal law
you can add lots of stuff soit doesn't have to be about the subject.
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People think that state law is thesame. That's all I was trying
to make the point, because they'llsay, John, make sure no pork
spending gets put into a bill.Well, it can't because we can as
one subject. Right. Okay,by the way, did you know Conna
bear's got legalized. No, yeah, we got pushed through the conna bear
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trapping they got so it's only watersets. He contacted me. You got
to get this, yeah, andhe came on the podcast we talked about
and I looked into it. Connabears are legal now on private land and
only water sets, okay. AndI don't think you have to take courses
for it. Okay, good,which I feel like you should probably take
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courses for There's so much now thoughon the internet. If you studied it,
yeah, I mean, if youreally want to take your time to
go out and set traps, youprobably have studied it or gone an arm
or something. That's what I did. I watched a whole bunch of YouTube
videos and just learned and learned thatwe didn't have, you know, big
cats like mountain lions, and learnedwe didn't have wolves. And I was
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watching the wrong YouTube videos. Ineed to start watching Alabama guys or you
know, Texas guys, because Iwas watching those northern like Canadian guys that
would get one hundred and eighty twohundred pounds wolves in they're like the paws
or the size of their hands oroh my gosh, they were, and
they'd sell for seven fifty two,one thousand dollars a pelt. You know,
they're nice pelts. Thick wolverines wouldsell nice, you know, But
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we don't. We don't have that. Do we have badgers here? I
think so. I think I've seena badger or two out there by us.
So yeah, because I saw thatas a trapping option, that you
could trap badgers. And I waslike, I've never ever thought I had
badgers here, So how would youkill it? Once it's in the trap?
Pop in a head? Oh,okay, twenty two or seventeen hmr
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yeah, something like that. Wow, go to your next trap. Well,
it's being dispatched, you know.Well, So the only reason why
I brought up all these guys isbecause there's nobody that you agree with totally,
and I agree with that. Youshouldn't agree with everyone totally right,
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and you should be able to questionwhy are you doing this, what's behind
it? What should you get outof this? I should also do more
research, because I did openly admitI didn't read the five hundred pages of
Bill. I didn't read the tenpages or thirteen pages of the Illegal Aliens
to obtain the driver's license. Ididn't read like I literally came in with
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this and I wanted, I honestlywanted you to explain it to me.
And if you did, you've madeit very clear and put it out well.
I know. I respect that somuch because most people that I've talked
to who are not going to votefor me have just said, here's what
your opponent said, and I mustbelieve them. I wanted to cover the
ones that bothered me the most.I mean we went over quite a few,
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but I mean, at the sametime, a lot of the like
I mentioned one, and you're like, I don't even know what that is,
Like maybe it's a add on thatthey wanted to kind of slander or
do something. So well. Andthe other thing, too, is after
six thousand votes and some of themnever even made it to the floor.
Some of those are committee votes,some of them are rules votes, and
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so you know, out of sixthousand, you can probably find something that
you don't like, or you cantwist it to make it say what you
don't like. Yeah, that wouldmake sense. Yeah, And so those
don't explain that, like when wasit, what was going on? What
did the constituency say? They allstart with Tally co sponsored this bill,
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Tally voted against SB two ten,Tally voted against Tally this It doesn't tell
you a year and except for votedagainst requiring the identity of those cemitting mail
in ballots to be verified. Okay, let's go over that, because she
does actually have She said this wouldhave opened Oklahoma up to the same twenty
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twenty election chaos that plagued so manyother storngs. Okay, so listen,
what was the date twenty twenty electShe mentions, twenty twenty elections? Okay,
so what was going on in twentytwenty COVID exactly. So we passed
a law that said, just duringCOVID, if you're sick, you can
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have two people sign your affidavid withyour notary to vote, but you have
to send in a photo copy ofyour driver's license. And so it only
lasted for those two years that wehad COVID because we didn't want those people
to get out. I get that, So it I just maybe I'm a
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little more crueler or just more likeI feel like if they can't get out
and vote, don't they don't getthe opportunity Because everyone else has to go
to the ballot box, or ithas to actually get out and go.
And I mean how we've always livedis if you don't vote or don't go,
then you don't vote and your votedoesn't count. I mean I get
that maybe they do want to vote. Wow, that's that is. I
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just put myself in a box,dag. So yeah, and and you
know, as a state representative,you're trying to think of the whole picture.
Yeah, Let's say your dad issick, he can't get out of
bed, he wants to vote.He's begging you please let me vote,
and you go, nope, sorry, And and so I mean I'd tell
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him I'll drive you there if youwant. And that's that's mine. But
remember the laws. The law acrossthe United States was that person isn't supposed
to go somewhere to be around people. We were stuck in a you were
basically still open for the majority ofCOVID. So it didn't really affect me.
This whole you know, the wholeCOVID thing didn't really affect me.
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I mean I noticed everyone wearing maskand stuff, but it wasn't It didn't
seem as serious as New York orCalifornia was well, we still had quite
a few people die. Oh yeah, I get and and so I'm not
trying to downplay it. I comparedto New York and LA, where New
York everyone's living on top of eachother, everyone can just get sick easier.
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LA is the one of the highestpopulations in the in the United States
continental at least actually, yeah,the whole even even Malibu or Hawaii.
I mean, I don't think.I think Los Angeles is bigger than anything
that those It's big, and sopeople didn't understand COVID and and that's why
I kind of feel sorry for doctorsand stuff, because we're looking at it
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now backwards and going that was wrong. Well, at the time when we
were in it, we didn't knowwhat was all wrong and what was all
Why didn't wait, why why wasgoing to push for the vaccine more than
the idea of well, maybe tryto be in better health, be take
(51:59):
vitam men's take you know, uh, anti oxident or I'm just using Joe
Rogan words right now, but antioxidentts and just like healthy, just have
a healthier lifestyle. I mean,I listened to I'll openly admit I listened
to Joe Rogan a lot, andhe brings up the vaccine, and he
says he was never vaccinated, norwas I. I'll open them. I
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wasn't. Did you ever get sick? I got sick a few times,
got tested both times, didn't haveit, don't have the antibodies or anything.
So my wife didn't never either.It's weird, but I was sick,
really and I thought I was goingto die. I felt a headache,
and yes, I did you evenafter no, after I did.
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I was coming home to get vaccinated, and I got really sick. So
you got sick before you got vaccinated. So why would you get vaccinated after
getting sick when because they might helpyou get over it. So here's what
happened to me when I was overit took the whole month twenty twenty December.
I was sick the whole month.And now I smell a lot of
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people lost their smell. Mine gotcrazy better. So now if a kid
throws up in school, I cansmell it so bad that I get sick.
I can walk into a house likethis, and if somebody left urine
in the toilet, I can smellit in another room. It is weird,
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but we didn't know what COVID woulddo, and a lot of people
died. So you know, Ijust the only reason I ask you why
you got vaccinated was I mean I'velistened to like even CNN's doctor Gupa has
even openly admitted that like getting vaccineor if you've had COVID already, those
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antibodies in your system are almost betterthan the vaccine that we're giving out.
Yeah, so I was just curiouson but I mean, if we didn't
know, we didn't know. Atthe same time, it makes sense winding
down, Okay, I would liketo be re elected. I have some
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I want to work on. Ortwo terms. You get six six two
turns two year terms so you canrun, So you run twice for six
years. No, no, okayevery two years. In the Oklahoma state
Representative runs every two years. Allone hundred and one of us could be
you know, re elected or getbeat. You're running every two years.
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Yeah, senators every four years.Okay, So you just did this two
years ago, right, and Idid two years ago and then two years
ago I didn't realize you've already beenwow. Okay, yeah, Okay,
what do you want to tell me, well, I would like you.
I would like to run and getand win again. Because Department of Human
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Services I was talking about the agenciesearlier. That agency has six thousand people
working in it. They take careof kids that are born. So if
you abuse a baby, Department ofHuman Services comes in and gets the police
to take that baby away. Butif you're in a nursing home and you're
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one hundred years old and you gettreated bad, nothing happens. Well,
Department of Human Services is responsible.So they got this big a thing with
six thousand people, but no governingbody over them. And so I would
like to help. No one governingover that body. No, how are
they a thing? Well, Imean they were responsible to the governor.
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But I'm just saying every other agencyhas a board, and they don't have
a board. They don't have aboard. And so when we did be
Congress, people like representatives that wouldbe the governor. My thought would be
to have the governor pick three people, the Speaker of the House representatives pick
three people, and maybe the protem of the Senate pick three people.
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But it would be people like youon that board. And when the director
comes in and says we need tospend more money over here. You've done
your homework and say, why don'twe spend more money on childcare? Yes,
because we can't get more companies.We can't put more people back to
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work until we have more childcare.And so that would be something I would
be working on as childcare. Also, criminal justice reform, we still need
to keep working on that because ifyou go to jail and you stay in
Payne County Jail for six months whileyou're waiting, and then you go to
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Oklahoma City County jail to Oklahoma Countyand you go six months and then you
get put in prison. When youget out, you have to pay all
three establishments, yes, and thenyou're just there's no way. I remember
talking to you about this. Yeah, I think I mentioned about Corey Williams.
Yeah, it's just it's a systemthat gets that just traps you regardless
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even after you are out, it'salways going to haunt you till you're sixty
seventy. It's basically kind of it'skind of like college, you're always gonna
have to pay. That's a goodshould we end on how they even that
we can. But those are thingsthat I want to work on. Okay,
what were you saying about so well, one of Saul's kids that he
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graduated with at its still Water,Yeah, is in prison in McAllister on
death row, and so it isgraduate. We just happened to be in
school. Oh okay, okay,m hm, So thank you for the
time to uh yeah, well row, we should kids. And I'm not
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saying he doesn't deserve what he's got, you know, but we put a
lot of people in jail. Ifyou had three rolled cigarettes of marijuana,
you could go to prison for fiveyears right now. No, okay,
I'm not doing that, but wemight still have in there, okay,
okay, oh wow, we stillhave people that went to jail and there
(58:23):
they haven't been released since the newlaws have passed. Right, so there's
there's things we need to work on. Absolutely. You have ninety days three
months to start paying back. Nowyou can pay back ten dollars a month,
but you got to start paying back. Well, nobody's hiring, yeah,
because you walk in and say yeah, I'm a felon, They're like
(58:45):
sorry, and so so it's hard. Yeah, I get it all right,
guys, go vote June eighteenth.Yes, sir, thank you so
much. John. The goals areopen seven to seven. I'll be out
there. I'll be out there.I'll you guys, thank you. We
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just did one because it's hell.Mark Trotter. How are you hey?
I'm good? How are you good? Welcome to the Heally Cast for the
Telly Freeman. What's going on?How do we do it good? How
are you good? Hello? Marty? Oh hey buddy? What's up man?
(59:28):
How are you doing next? Howare you doing? What's your real
name? What's your government name?That is my first question. I'm just
gonna go right off the bat,and just JJ wood, what's up?
Longtime listener, first time guest,excited to be here. All have headphones?
Are good? Yeah? See right, guy Healey? What year were
you born? Ninety seven? Ninetysix? See al right, technically you're
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a nineties baby, but you missedhalf of it,
What's up, guys. Welcome backto another podcast, another episode of the
Healey Cast. And my guest todayis Representative thirty four District three thirty three.
We have two representatives here still wereareas, so I get them confused.
District thirty three, John Tally,Yes, sir, welcome back.
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We've had you, Thank you.We had you on what three four years
ago? Four years ago? Fouryears ago? And how have you done
so far? Uh? That's aloaded question, is it? But but
I want to make sure that peopleunderstand now that District thirty three used to
be called District thirty three Payne County. Correct, Now it actually goes all
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the way down to I thirty fiveand what is it Golden Chick where Guthrie
is, where Guthrie is real,and then all the way to drum right
really, and so I lost Perkins, the main part of Perkins. And
then I'm not in Stillwater, themain part of Stillwater. So what district
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is Perkins? Perkins now is inthirty two, which is Kevin Wallace's Okay,
so everything changes every ten years,every years. It depends on the
maximum amount of people in Oklahoma.And so they said we grew about four
hundred thousand people grew up to fourmillion, and so now everybody's supposed to
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take all one hundred of us aresupposed to take approximately forty thousand people.
Wow, instead of it was thirtyeight five and now it's forty thousand,
So five thousand more people. Basically, where is it forty thousand more people?
No, it would be two thousandmore for each one of the Okay,
I got you, Okay, Igot you Okay. Wow. I
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mean that's quite a bit of peoplethat have moved into Oklahoma. What's causing
the move just because of Blue statesdoing what they kind of do or that,
that's definitely part of it. Butyou got a lot of people that
didn't like the fires out in Nevadain California, and so they've moved.
Some people from New York have movedhave moved in, and some businesses have
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moved in, especially higher area becausethey have that really big industrial park.
And so I don't even know allof them, but like Canoe that bills
cars moved into Oklahoma City. I'maware of Canoe Canoes kind of a competitor
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against Tesla, I believe, yes, yes, and uh. Instead of
picking Tulsa, Tesla or Elon pickedAustin, and then Canoe picked, I
mean picked us. So I meanjobs all around. That's the main point,
right, getting jobs to people.Uh, what's our employment rate here
in Oklahoma? Do you know?It's four point right now? So has
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it? It's gone up? It'sgone up just a little bit, like
from three to seven three point sevento four percent. And I never do
understand exactly the unemployment rate because whenI drive through Cushing and still Water and
Yale, there's always science up thatsay, you know, need help,
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right, So how come people aren'tworking? That bothers me because I think
COVID has still had an impact onus of people not wanting to get out
but get some of that ARPA money, but not go to work. And
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so I don't know. Well,I mean we need teachers, We definitely
need teachers. I've heard about thewhole teaching thing. It's not it's just
like we have well I heard astatistic just recently. We have like thirty
six thousand teachers that could teach inthe state of Oklahoma, but they decide
no. I mean, they havethe degree to teach, but instead they
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pursued something else. For a career. Well, we lost I mean in
dealing with this, we lost aboutfour hundred and fifty childcare centers. Okay,
so like Renaissance here in Stillwater,it's a great place for kids,
but we lost like five around Stillwater. So if you had kids and you
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wanted to go to work, you'vegot to find a place that one you
can afford. So you've got tohave a high enough paying job that you
could. But if you can't findthe childcare place, so out here on
sixty eighth Street and something that's,you know, like four miles out of
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town. I went out there tocheck because she's a new childcare place,
and she said she was struggling.She would like to take people. And
I didn't understand this. There's somuch to understand in government, definitely,
okay, and you've only been therefor four years, six years, six
years, but there's so much tolearn. Let's say that you don't make
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a lot of money and you geta credit card kind of thing from DHS
Department of Human Services. They wantto help you with your childcare. Okay,
so you've got to find a childcarecenter that will give that has a
credit card reading machine from DHS.Well, this lady out there, she'd
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been she applied four months ago andthey said they were working on it.
She had five people that wanted tocome, but she can't accept them until
she gets right. So I calledand guess what, the next day they
got the machine. That's one ofthe frustrating things, you know. I
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have that little tiny thing that saysState House of Representatives I wear on my
lapel. Yeah, it's it's sad. But when I call and check on
things, it's different than when youcall. And that's not right. No,
it shouldn't be No, it shouldn'tbe that way at all. I
mean, you are a representative.I get that you're a representative. At
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the same time, even if Icalled, they should still be able to
hand that's right. Yeah. AndI think a lot of people that are
are thinking about running for government jobsthink that okay, I'm for whatever it
is, correct, and and theylimit themselves because this past week, even
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though the election is coming up,I drove way out in the country on
a dirt road and just pausing.The election is June eighteenth, correct,
yeah, eighteenth, like two daysout there. Lea posted tomorrow. Yeah,
I'll be editing tonight, okay,and getting this done and we'll have
it out tonight. Well, justlike we drove down this dirt road to
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your home and I went out thereand it hasn't been graded in like two
years, and they've been calling thecounty commissioner. Well, I drove out
there and I met with all twentypeople that live down this strt road.
They were like, thank you somuch. No one's ever visited us.
And I'm like, but isn't thatwhat your state representative should be doing is
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finding problems and fixing them exactly,And so that's what I try to do.
Let's talk about the campaign real quick. Okay. Yeah, your last
time I checked, you were fourpoints ahead of your opponent, Molly Jenkins.
I have. I went and satwith the GOP and listened to her,
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and she had some interesting points,and I just want to bring up
a few of them. I don'twant to go through the whole list.
This would take us all night.Yeah, just like my very first one,
that kind of bothers me. I'llbecome honest. You co sponsored allowing
illegal aliens to obtain an Oklahoma driver'slicense. Explain thank you for bringing that
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up. Actually it it seems tome that people don't read the five or
ten or twenty page law that we'retrying to pass. They just look at
your the header or the title ofthe bill. Yeah, so I actually
brought the read the first or secondparagraph. But like you said, if
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it's five to ten pages, I'lladmit, I'm not going to read a
five to ten page bill. I'llread the first or second to second paragraph
and be like, Okay, thisis basically what I kind of understand of
it. So one of the representatives, Ryan Martinez, came to me and
he said, John, and hebrought with him Farm Bureau people, Oklahoma
Highway Patrol people, state and soI've got it written right here. What
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they handed me the Oklahoma State Chamberand forty other groups that support this bill.
And I looked at it and Iwas like, oh, AFLCIO Cattleman's
Association, And they said, John, Oklahoma is the number one state of
uninsured drivers, number one. Soif you have a wreck, there's a
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one in ten chance the person thatwrecks into you it's their fault, but
they're uninsured. But they're uninsured,so your insurance is going to have to
pay for your car. And it'sgonna go up or they're going to drop
you. We could do something aboutthat. And I said, oh,
okay, what are you talking about. And they said, well, there's
thirty five document it legal. Theyhave a green card or they have a
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work visa. Immigrants in Oklahoma.And I said, okay, I see
them everywhere. I mean they dofingernails. They roof houses right down our
street. There were five guys.They roofed a house in one day.
Yeah, you know they mowlans.And they said, we would like for
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those people to be allowed to geta driver's license. It's a two year
driver's license, which will allow themto buy insurance if they if half of
them bought insurance for the car they'realready driving, right, it could drop
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everyone else's car insurance by thirty percent. Now you're running me back over,
Okay, would you would you forthat? When I'm like, yes for
that myself. Yes, I seedrivers all the time. I don't check
their license. Does that make thema legal citizen? Now? No,
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no, it doesn't. The wayto get down legal aliens to obtain an
Oklahoma driver's license. Generally, ifyou're getting a driver's license, you and
I were citizens of this great country, were citizens of this great state.
So typically when when I hear thatkind of stuff, I'm like, so
does this make them a citizen?Now it has a two year expiration date,
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that makes more sense. I'm actuallymore for this as long as it
helps the Oklahomas with their insurance.And I'm okay, yeah, I was
going to be to you on thatone, but now you got people would
have stopped and looked at it.They would have been for it. And
what's interesting is is my opponent,the people that are backing her elain it
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and putting it, well, it'sbecause they don't want to. But what's
funny is if you read this,the company that the dark money that's supporting
her, they actually were for this. OCPA was actually for this. Their
name is listed on here. Thereis out of state too, aren't they
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Almost in every state there's some people. She's getting all of her flyer stuff
done out of Arizona. So it'sdark Knight heard someone Arizona. So it's
funny that she says, no,what's what's the name of the money.
She says, I'm taking lobbyist money, lobbyist money, and and what she's
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not saying is lobbyists won't give tosomeone that's never run because they don't know
how they're going to vote. Andreal quick ladies and gentlemen off camera is
sol Tally John's son, as wellas in your favorite football Coach, Yes,
say, my favorite football coach mademe the quarterback for his team because
he didn't have a choice because everyonegot hurt. Still one, well,
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because I screwed up and ran intothe end zone. Whether it's one or
one hundred and one, it countsas one. No, I'm all for
that. Then two year a twoyear driver's license and the light driver's licenses
are different color, okay, andso so it's obvious. It's obvious.
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Yeah, and you can't vote withit. So hey, that was that,
But see people twist. That wasmy next question, would you be
able to vote with something? Howmany pages was that bill by the time,
it was, oh, I thinkit goes thirteen pages long, and
so she took thirteen pages and condensedit to how many sentences are there?
Four or five? Three? Okay, three sentences. She took thirteen pages
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and condensed it to three sentences,which you know, all of those votes
on that whole page every bill,there's so much more nuances to it,
and then you can put on onepage, but that doesn't move the needle
for people. They don't want tosit down and study it. They want
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representatives to go vote on it.And it's super easy to run when you've
never had to vote against somebody who'staken over six thousand votes. Out of
six thousand votes, there's twelve thirteenthat she's got a problem with, and
most of those are four or fivesix years old that my opponents in the
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past four times had brought up,like, what's the deal with a House
Bill twenty five ninety seven? Youvoted against allowing lawful sisens to exercise their
Second Amendment right to constitutional carry.Okay, Actually that is called the Permanentist
Carry Bill, And so I putit out. I have about five hundred
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on an email list, and Isaid, hey, here's the bill.
What do you think It's twenty sevenpages long, and it's to allow anyone
that's twenty one that's legal to beable to buy a gun and carry it
concealed or not concealed. Why twentyone are we talking a handgun? Twenty
one? Yes? Okay, Soeighteen we're still allowed to do rifles.
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Yes, that's right, but wejust changed that law too, so i'll
have to it in just a minute. So six years ago that was my
first gun bill. One hundred andeighty eight constituents from District thirty three emailed
me and said, John, voteno, there's no training and I know
a lot of twenty one year oldsthat drink and act dumb. No,
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that's true, and could now carrya gun concealed or not concealed, just
out in the open. I hadtwo people reach out that said vote yes
on it. So do you thinkthat a state representative is supposed to represent
their constituents? And I do,right. I was just gonna ask you
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those two people that told you tovote yes, were they, by chance
a bigger corporation such as maybe aNR A type of Really, they're just
two constituents here in Payne County.I thought that's where you were going with
that. No, okay, No, really okay. And I didn't look
at it a constitutional carry bill becausethere's twenty four pages where you cannot carry
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a gun. You can't carry agun in courthouse, you can't carry a
gun in schools, you can't carrya gun in Stol. I heard that.
I heard that that was up fordebate for universities carrying unit. It
was. It's been almost every yearand it hasn't passed. No, So
that's why I didn't look at itas a constitutional carry because to me,
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to carry a gun everywhere, anytime, for any reason means they could carry
it into the capitol. True,Okay, So out of that bill because
I voted No, I've had adeath threat, people calling and saying you
voted wrong. You know, weknow where you live, your family,
and go into the capitol at thatpoint. No, Now, don't get
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me wrong, the capital, eventhe post office. These are the places
I'm naming, you know, ourPayn County courthouse. These are the places
you technically can't bring guns into.But at the same time, we the
people do technically own those places,so we can technically, we can technically
record in there as much as wewant, like I've seen the auditors obviously,
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That's what I'm saying. So whatwhat's the reason for us not being
able to have guns in these locations? If you willn't, okay, so
answer this question for me. Whyat NRA okay too, Trump rallies Why
can't people carry guns assassination attempts?Sure? No, I was I just
I just wanted to ask the wholequestion. I mean, I've had people
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slam doors in my face at theCapitol, yell and scream and cuss me
out. I mean that if theyhad, But that's our first Amendment,
right, and I mean, you'rerepresenting us. We should be able to
come talk to you. Maybe no, maybe not curse you out. And
obviously I won't come curse you out, but I would love to knock on
your door and just you a conversation, which is awesome what I've experienced with
you. Your door's always open.I've been able to email you. You
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are a busy man, and youget back to me as much as possible.
But your door's generally always open asmuch as possible, especially with FCA,
and it's just you're a busy guy. Well, and so think what
if I mean. I was watchingthe eighth grade Saw was coaching eighth grade
football game, and some parents fromDeer Creek got mad at the referees,
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came down right next to the fieldand started yelling cusswords and saying to the
refs, We're going to get youin the parking lot. What if they
had a gun on them, that'dbe an issue. See, And so
that's where you got to think.If people lose their ever love and mind,
that's why you can't carry a guninto an OSU football game. That
makes sense. So six years agoI voted no on this bill. Yes,
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now it's been six years. Ivoted twenty nine times. Even just
about a month and a half ago, I voted to lower the age because
look, if you're a eighteen andyou can go to war, for me,
we lowered the age of guns handgunsto be allowed to be bought really
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to eighteen. Interesting, Yeah,you think they're mature enough. No,
I still think you need Like whenSaul was a little boy, we went
out and target practice with his Oh, I bought him a nineteen thirty single
shot twenty two, and he hadto show me safety. He had to
act right, and so shout outto Winchester by the way. So,
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but kids today don't have the grandpasand the uncles. And it doesn't seem
like I don't have the grandpa's.I mean I have the uncle. Like
my dad's brother always invites me upto Minnesota to go hunting. And learn
and hope you go. I shouldbe going probably this fall alert to do
like real trapping for trapping. Soin the past six years, yes,
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I didn't vote for that, butit I voted in. So I said,
you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to make it a
free gun safety course at my house. And so college students, even some
professors have come out to my house. I've hired an NRA guy to do
gun safety. Now it's not aconcealed carry, but it's just here's how
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you make the gun safe. Here'show you loaded or is it just it's
just a course on just how tohow to do it. And then they
get to shoot and and all thebullets are free. I buy them.
And so I want people to besafe with guns, and so that's why
we do it. And so there'sbeen quite a few professors at OSU that
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went out and bought a gun butdidn't even know how to load it.
And so they bring it out thereand we let them shoot, and we
have as long as they have asafe place to learn, right, And
I mean, you're a great teacher. I mean, well, my friend
Scott Peterman is a great teacher,but he talks about stance and how to
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do it so that when I tookthe concealed carry course, Yep. There's
about twenty of us sitting around atable over in Sumner, Oklahoma church and
the guy says, take your gun, make it safe, put it in
front of you so you unload it. Said it right there, and he
said, I want you to lookat that gun. If you can't kill
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someone with that, you don't needto be in this course because we're gonna
teach you how to be safe.But the whole point is if you pull
that out, you're either gonna killsomeone or you're gonna eat it right.
They're gonna take it away from youand hurt you. I remember there's a
Florida sheriff that maybe it was Florida, maybe it was Nevada, one of
those two states. The sheriff said, the intruder was shot and or was
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fleeing and was shot by a goodsamaritan, and you're not in trouble.
We would just like you to cometo the police station and we'll give you
free courses on how to handle agun, because we prefer the victim,
or not the victim, but theperpetrator to be dead, so we don't
have to pay the bills for thisguy. It's like, okay, so
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that's that's what that So twenty nineother times I've only I've one to twenty
nine is my voting records. SoI have an A rating with the NRA.
Ooh and and it's been out therethough that I have an F rating
and that's not true. Okay,interesting why, I mean, obviously the
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reason is to just slander and justtried to get into your position. Obviously,
right, let me ask you,this is an interesting one. Voted
to give preference to LGBTQ IA plusfor membership on Oklahoma child welfare boards.
The whole bill was about ten pages. It was six years ago. I
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was pretty new, and I didn'tread in there. It doesn't give preference.
It just says, and we don'teven have that board. That's what's
funny about this. They're trying tocreate a board. And I'm if I
get re elected, I will doa board, or I will try hard
to do a board. Department ofHuman Services is the only agency out there
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that doesn't have an overseeing board.And in this bill that Jason Dunnington did,
it said and I didn't. Ididn't read the fine print, so
it's my fault. Anybody can beon this board that that's what it was,
and the governor gets to pick them. Okay, but in it it
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said in the fine print even ifyou are LGB lesbian, you could be
on that board. Is gender Wellthat was six years ago, so who
knows you by or gender non comYeah, the alphabet one is getting to
me and the less one I don't. So I did vote on that,
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but it never made it. Wedon't have that. And here's the thing
that people don't understand. Yep.Jason Dunnington was trying to pass that,
and we were asked by the Speaker, by Speaker McCall, listen, when
we take the title off of abill, and most people don't understand this.
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So you look up there on whatyou're voting on and it says housing
for poor people. Right, that'sgoing to cost money. So we're going
to take the title off, putparentheses around it, and now it can't
go to the governor until it comesback to us. So, out of
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respect for everyone on this floor,vote yes to give them a chance to
fix it. So I voted yes, like the speaker ask me to interest
and but it never passed. Wedon't We still don't have that board that
I would like to create. Butnow I'm smarter about how I read things.
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Okay, So, so giving youanother six years would not be a
bad idea? Well, I hope, so I don't think so. I
mean I came in here with amindset of thinking, I'm like, Okay,
I'm gonna challenge him. Yeah,get like, especially with the co
sponsor and allowing illegal aliens to obtaina driver's license, Like, I'm like,
they're gonna be able to vote.This is gonna be a domino effect
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all this. You clearly were prepared. You came here, you and you
laid it out just how it shouldbe. Uh. I don't know if
there's one on there I'd like tobring up just to show people, right,
Uh, there's one that this wasI voted to expand government, so
it's going to cost us more,and it's it says you created service Oklahoma.
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Is that on that list? Service? Social? But against allowing Second
Constitution authorized millions in corporate welfare tothe anti American National Basketball Association. Oh
yeah, the NBA thunder But theyshould pay more. I think and it
was because it was whenever the nationalanthem situation was going on where athletes were
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taking a knee. And so theaccusation is that all the NBA is liberal
and we shouldn't support them at all. But if you look a bit of
our team, that's what that's what, that's I should have voted against that
to get rid of our team.And you know, the thunder or like
one of the few things that O. S U and OU people can like
come together on. And I thinkeverybody kind of enjoyed the run that they
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went on this year. I meanwe've enjoyed. We enjoyed the Hornets when
Katrina hit and we made it abig deal in the Ford Center, and
then we updated our arena, andthen we had Clay Bennett by the Sonics
and then relocate them here and we'vehad a great black until number thirty five
screwed it up for everyone else.Okay, so it's been a great economic
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Yeah, are you guys ever,like, can I recommend for the house
so like for like school for teachingkids? Can we like when we get
to the thirties, can we dothirty one, thirty two, thirty three,
thirty four, thirty six, thirtyseven, cut out thirty five,
cut out thirty five. We don'tneed that number anymore, or change the
name of Durant Oklahoma, Oklahoma.So let me finish though. Okay.
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So I've been told that I thatI'm trying to expand government and I'm not
Service Oklahoma. Have you bought alicense plate or gotten your driver's license renewed?
Yes, you went to the TagAgency. Well, we're trying to
make the Tag agency more important.Now. I couldn't do it here in
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Stillware. I had to go tothe Perkins Tag Agency because still War's Tag
Agency is difficult. Yeah, andwe're trying to make it better. So
we changed the name from Tag Agencyto Service Oklahoma so that eventually, when
we get all the kinks worked outof it. We had to improve all
the computers, but eventually we wantyou to instead of driving to Oklahoma City
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to get a death certificate, allkinds of stuff, your Service Oklahoma.
So all we did was change thename. So could you get your Social
Security like a newborn child get theirSocial Security card from there? No,
because that's federal. Okay. Yeah, And just like birth certificate, you
can get a birth certificate there,birth certificate, death certificate. We're trying
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to make it more use of friendly. But we didn't add to the government.
We just changed the names. Becauseso there's no more DMV. No,
there's still a DMV and it's downby our daily bread on twelfth Street.
There's no tag agency. There's nomore tag agency. It's Service Oklahoma.
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So all we did was change thename. But I'm being attacked that
I was trying to expand government.We're trying to make government smarter. We're
trying to make government work more forthe people, better for the people.
Not more for the people, butbetter for the people. It's easier for
the people. Kind of like aone stop place to get your Oklahoma document.
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Yeah, or or an on quon Q. It is still water
so yeah, yeah yeah on cue. Yeah. What is this? Voted
against halting the Orwellian policy that forcedconcerned parents to undergo government propaganda of classes.
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What is that? That's something madeup? I think it was put
on there to make controversial policy.This policy sought to mandate government classes for
cautious parents who had concerns about governmentmandated vaccinations vaccination effects on their children.
Talli's vote effectively supported this intrusive governmentoverreach disregarding the rights of diligent and informed
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parents. I think they just putthat on there to add one more thing
to the list. That's I'm notsure. See there's some guys, so
I'm just reading from the list.There's there's something that people don't understand.
I didn't when rules come out.So when government agencies, Oklahoma government agencies
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like the Department of What's Schools,the State Department of State Department of Education,
they want to come up with somenew rules, they send them to
us and we vote all for itor all against it. There's no take
this out, okay, and sothere's they can work in there. They
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can't. There are four thousand rulesthat we voted on this year. Yeah,
and so there's a rules committee andthey just say, Okay, the
Department of Human Services wants to changethese ten rules. We don't ever see
them. Do you vote for themor do you vote against them? And
so they sometimes whoever on the rulescommittee can do some things to you that
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you don't know. I got you. I got a call from the guy
that owns on Q and he said, John, there's some rules coming out
by the state government that's going tohurt on Q and quick trip and places
like that. Would you vote noon these rules? Okay, well there
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were forty seven rules. I justwanted to vote no on this one.
All the rest of them were good, but you have to vote no on
all of them. And so peoplewere mad at me, and I'm like,
I'm doing what my constituents wants.So it's it's not as easy as
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people say it is. Why aren'twe doing a one vote kind of like
on one subject instead? We're goingto try to change that next year if
I get back in. Anthony Moorefrom Clinton Oklahoma wants to fix that so
that it makes it more clear whatyou're voting on instead of here's this package,
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right, it's yes or no.It definitely needs to be fixed on
the federal level because when you know, the media can turn any kind of
bill into whatever they want, itsounds like it needs to be changed on
our state level as well, whereit can help the constituents to understand why
you voted for it better or whyyou didn't vote for it better because it's
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on one subject. Instead, Hey, we had forty eight you know subjects,
and I voted yes on one andI know on the other one or
wanted to, but when I votedyes, they all became yes is or
vice versa. So you know,you explained it well. But I think
the other thing is America is advancedcitizenship, Like you have to actually get
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in there and study it. Andit's a lot easier to have somebody show
you that and make you scared andtell you who to blame for it than
it is to actually pay attention,because that's that's a lot easier to just
let somebody tell you what to beafraid of. That's true. I've read
about one thousand bills this year andlearned that if it says a mandatory at
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the top of the bill, thatmeans I don't this is already law this
ten twenty thirty four. Did youknow the marijuana bill is over seven hundred
pages long, and so every yearwe add about twenty laws to it because
we didn't know when we got thissix years ago that the Chinese cartel,
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the you know, the Mexican,the Chinese, the Irish from Ireland or
here, yes, really and theyown land like ther A or yeah,
Ira is it the Iris? Yeah? So what people don't understand is what
if they came and said, youknow what, we don't want this house,
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but we want some land back here. We're gonna pay you twenty thousand
dollars an acre, and we'll payyou fifty thousand just to use your name.
Here's a backpack full of one hundreddollars bills, Jesus. And so
that's what the Chinese triads were doing. Is there were over three hundred illegal
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in Payne County and so we've closedabout two hundred of them. But they
they're selling marijuana in Florida. Howare they buying? My first question,
sorry for interrupting. No, howis the Chinese buying? And when they're
foreign? Well that's the deal.Are we not allowed to know for they're
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not allowed to but they keep yourname on the deed because the technically own
the lands, right Yeah, Andyou just got a backpack full of cash,
right, so you've got to cashsome groceries for the rest of your
life. All these patriotism is outthe door, exactly. And we never
talk about that farmer or that rancheror that I got letters all the time
saying hey, we only want oneacre of your land. We'll pay you
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fifty thousand, and we'll pay youfifty thousand for your name, one hundred
thousand dollars for one acre of ourland right next to our house. Billy
weed And I'm like, no,I'm not selling that. But a lot
of people sold and then moved sothat they didn't take the heat for somebody
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growing illegal marijuana. What does thisdo to the real estate taxes and everything
like that, because I know,like when you're building a new neighborhood or
even like the Yukon just recently voteddown the Amphitheater because everyone knew their taxes
was going to go up about seveneight percent higher because of the revenue and
the district that was coming there,so they voted know on that Amphitheater.
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Is the atmosphere of that with thesecartels and Chinese. Well, Clay Bertram
is a cattleman here around here,and the Cattleman's Association says that land is
almost too expensive. If you wantedto get into it and start a cattle
operation, you couldn't do it.You can't afford the land. Jeff Beasley,
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who owns the Duncan Theater and Gofredo'sin Cushing, said John the land
around Stillwater is so expensive. Iwant to put in some dunkin Donuts over
here, donut shops. But hesaid it's so expensive because of the marijuana,
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because dispensaries or is it the actualthe illegal growth have made the prices
of land go up so much.So he there are several people that think,
and I'm not sure, but severalpeople think, did you notice that
we only have one car wash andstill and now we have I heard a
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rumor that or a theory that it'ssome type of money laundering scheme, right,
I mean you're you're the first official. Well, I there's no way
to really look into it because there'sits technically legal at that point, it
has been laundered. I've watched BreakingBad. I know how it works.
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Okay, I haven't watched Breaking Bad, but I was gonna leath the weapon
too. But that's the first placeI heard it. So it's just interesting.
People want to come in and say, Okay, these guys are doing
the wrong thing at the Capitol.You're talking about new people coming in,
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the new people are running. Butif you looked at who's funding them,
if you look at what that groupfunding them stands for, a lot of
these groups don't want public schools.A lot of these groups. How how
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can I say this, I'll justsay it. Well, they don't want
union, they don't want well,they say, well, Ryan Walter says
all the time that teachers are communistsor teachers are woke. Teachers are teaching
our kids all this bad stuff andthey really want them to go to private
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schools. But there's no private schoolingCoil. There's no private school in Ripley
or so. We have still privateschools. Yeah, yeah, we do,
and we have some really good ones. But what people don't understand is
the laws that govern public school Sowhen my wife was running the district,
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a kid was at Sunnybrook, whichis a great school, but they didn't
have someone to come in and teachoccupational therapy and physical therapy to a kid.
Well, the law says that sincethat kid is in Stillwater School district,
Stillwater had to send those two peopleto Sunnybrook Christian School and take care
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of that kid, and Sunnybrook didn'thave to pay for it. Still what
a public schools did, but thatkid wasn't in still what to public schools.
So people don't understand the laws theygot the taxpayer paid for it,
right when he wasn't even in ataxpayer system for it to be paid,
right, So really the private schoolshould have paid ultimately, or the parents
(40:02):
of that child should yes paid.Basically, I don't understand here, Oh
you got one of those two.Basically, I don't understand why you're gonna
have to pick if you pick me. Do you believe James Langford and that
I am for certain things? Doyou believe Attorney General Gettner Drummond? Do
(40:25):
you believe Frank lucas you know?Or do you believe James Langford? Bothers
me because he supported a a billthat was supposed to go towards The bill
was titled like it was supposed tobe for the border, but instead we
said it sent like sixty billion toeighty billion to Ukraine instead. And well,
(40:50):
to my understanding, Langford was thesponsor of that bill. Okay,
did you read the five hundred pages? No? I did? Okay,
So what he said, yes,and how people twisted it. Okay,
we don't send any cash. Wenever have sent any cash military grade weapons,
right right, right, So whenit says sixty billion or whatever,
(41:14):
we sent military aid a lot ofpeople said that his bill to stop illegal
aliens coming across, that it wasgoing to allow more. It wasn't.
People want Trump to be able toclaim that as victory, and so they
(41:35):
twisted, just like my opponent,they twisted what Langford did. That was
a good bill. It would havestopped totally illegal aliens coming across. But
people want Trump to do that sothat I don't he who does it?
I just want it exactly, that'smy thing. Just kind of like where
(41:57):
Trump was being pressured on who doyou want to when Russia or Ukraine,
he said, I want people tostop dying. I want people to stop
coming into our country. That's mything, right, I want them to
come in the legal port of entry. You know, the backgrounds, the
checks that we do at the legalports, not over a fence or you
know, not throwing babies into ariver or what. You know. There's
(42:17):
a crazy situation that's going down down. It is by the border. So
I mean, but federal law isdifferent than state law. Correct, federal
bills they can put by the federalgovernment, correct stuff. Yes, because
we're beingensued by the federal government,would we do well because we passed a
law a month ago that said ifyou're an illegal alien and you get stopped,
(42:40):
you can be detained, you canbe you can have uh, you
know, ice cold or yeah,all kinds of stuff. But the federal
government, Joe Biden said, hey, you know, we legally as a
state can't deport people, but wewere not need porting. We're saking you
(43:00):
have to leave. We can sendthem anywhere else in the United States,
kind of like what Governor Abbott andGovernor Desantez has been doing. They've been
sending them to blue states. Underto my understanding, are we doing something
somewhere because yeah, But so thewhole point of our law is you're driving,
you you drive recklessly, you getstopped, you don't have any papers
(43:21):
on you. We can say youhave to leave within three days or you
go to jail. Guys. Okay, Now, I think Texas, because
they're on the border, they shouldbe able to deport. I think because
they're on the border, I thinkany border state, totally agree. So
north or South, whichever border,I think they should be able to have
(43:42):
that right state right to deport thepeople they don't want there. Totally agree.
But I was just saying that,yes, people sorry for getting on
missed. No, No, peoplemisread what Langford was trying to do just
they twisted it just so that Ibelieve that bill didn't go through. No,
it didn't. It didn't. Butin federal bills they can add lots
(44:06):
of stuff. In Oklahoma, itcan only be one subject. So if
you want to change the speed limiton I thirty five from Kansas to Oklahoma
City, it can only be that. It can't be other highways. It
can be other highways and stuff.It can only be one subject, so
(44:28):
you can't. But in federal lawyou could say, Okay, we want
to change that speed limit. Wewant to add some money to build a
bridge in Talaquah. We're going toput some money in there for osutel CLO
is not even on I know,But that's why I'm saying. Federal law
you can add lots of stuff soit doesn't have to be about the subject.
(44:51):
People think that state law is thesame. That's all I was trying
to make the point, because they'llsay, John, make sure no pork
spending gets put into a bill.Well, it can't because we can as
one subject. Right. Okay,by the way, did you know Conna
bear's got legalized. No, yeah, we got pushed through the conna bear
(45:15):
trapping they got so it's only watersets. He contacted me. You got
to get this, yeah, andhe came on the podcast we talked about
and I looked into it. Connabears are legal now on private land and
only water sets, okay. AndI don't think you have to take courses
for it. Okay, good,which I feel like you should probably take
(45:36):
courses for There's so much now thoughon the internet. If you studied it,
yeah, I mean, if youreally want to take your time to
go out and set traps, youprobably have studied it or gone an arm
or something. That's what I did. I watched a whole bunch of YouTube
videos and just learned and learned thatwe didn't have, you know, big
cats like mountain lions, and learnedwe didn't have wolves. And I was
(45:59):
watching the wrong YouTube videos. Ineed to start watching Alabama guys or you
know, Texas guys, because Iwas watching those northern like Canadian guys that
would get one hundred and eighty twohundred pounds wolves in they're like the paws
or the size of their hands oroh my gosh, they were, and
they'd sell for seven fifty two,one thousand dollars a pelt. You know,
they're nice pelts. Thick wolverines wouldsell nice, you know, But
(46:21):
we don't. We don't have that. Do we have badgers here? I
think so. I think I've seena badger or two out there by us.
So yeah, because I saw thatas a trapping option, that you
could trap badgers. And I waslike, I've never ever thought I had
badgers here, So how would youkill it? Once it's in the trap?
Pop in a head? Oh,okay, twenty two or seventeen hmr
(46:43):
yeah, something like that. Wow, go to your next trap. Well,
it's being dispatched, you know.Well, So the only reason why
I brought up all these guys isbecause there's nobody that you agree with totally,
and I agree with that. Youshouldn't agree with everyone totally right,
(47:06):
and you should be able to questionwhy are you doing this, what's behind
it? What should you get outof this? I should also do more
research, because I did openly admitI didn't read the five hundred pages of
Bill. I didn't read the tenpages or thirteen pages of the Illegal Aliens
to obtain the driver's license. Ididn't read like I literally came in with
(47:30):
this and I wanted, I honestlywanted you to explain it to me.
And if you did, you've madeit very clear and put it out well.
I know. I respect that somuch because most people that I've talked
to who are not going to votefor me have just said, here's what
your opponent said, and I mustbelieve them. I wanted to cover the
ones that bothered me the most.I mean we went over quite a few,
(47:52):
but I mean, at the sametime, a lot of the like
I mentioned one, and you're like, I don't even know what that is,
Like maybe it's a add on thatthey wanted to kind of slander or
do something. So well. Andthe other thing, too, is after
six thousand votes and some of themnever even made it to the floor.
Some of those are committee votes,some of them are rules votes, and
(48:15):
so you know, out of sixthousand, you can probably find something that
you don't like, or you cantwist it to make it say what you
don't like. Yeah, that wouldmake sense. Yeah, And so those
don't explain that, like when wasit, what was going on? What
did the constituency say? They allstart with Tally co sponsored this bill,
(48:37):
Tally voted against SB two ten,Tally voted against Tally this It doesn't tell
you a year and except for votedagainst requiring the identity of those cemitting mail
in ballots to be verified. Okay, let's go over that, because she
does actually have She said this wouldhave opened Oklahoma up to the same twenty
(48:58):
twenty election chaos that plagued so manyother storngs. Okay, so listen,
what was the date twenty twenty electShe mentions, twenty twenty elections? Okay,
so what was going on in twentytwenty COVID exactly. So we passed
a law that said, just duringCOVID, if you're sick, you can
(49:19):
have two people sign your affidavid withyour notary to vote, but you have
to send in a photo copy ofyour driver's license. And so it only
lasted for those two years that wehad COVID because we didn't want those people
to get out. I get that, So it I just maybe I'm a
(49:43):
little more crueler or just more likeI feel like if they can't get out
and vote, don't they don't getthe opportunity Because everyone else has to go
to the ballot box, or ithas to actually get out and go.
And I mean how we've always livedis if you don't vote or don't go,
then you don't vote and your votedoesn't count. I mean I get
that maybe they do want to vote. Wow, that's that is. I
(50:06):
just put myself in a box,dag. So yeah, and and you
know, as a state representative,you're trying to think of the whole picture.
Yeah, Let's say your dad issick, he can't get out of
bed, he wants to vote.He's begging you please let me vote,
and you go, nope, sorry, And and so I mean I'd tell
(50:28):
him I'll drive you there if youwant. And that's that's mine. But
remember the laws. The law acrossthe United States was that person isn't supposed
to go somewhere to be around people. We were stuck in a you were
basically still open for the majority ofCOVID. So it didn't really affect me.
This whole you know, the wholeCOVID thing didn't really affect me.
(50:51):
I mean I noticed everyone wearing maskand stuff, but it wasn't It didn't
seem as serious as New York orCalifornia was well, we still had quite
a few people die. Oh yeah, I get and and so I'm not
trying to downplay it. I comparedto New York and LA, where New
York everyone's living on top of eachother, everyone can just get sick easier.
(51:13):
LA is the one of the highestpopulations in the in the United States
continental at least actually, yeah,the whole even even Malibu or Hawaii.
I mean, I don't think.I think Los Angeles is bigger than anything
that those It's big, and sopeople didn't understand COVID and and that's why
I kind of feel sorry for doctorsand stuff, because we're looking at it
(51:37):
now backwards and going that was wrong. Well, at the time when we
were in it, we didn't knowwhat was all wrong and what was all
Why didn't wait, why why wasgoing to push for the vaccine more than
the idea of well, maybe tryto be in better health, be take
(51:59):
vitam men's take you know, uh, anti oxident or I'm just using Joe
Rogan words right now, but antioxidentts and just like healthy, just have
a healthier lifestyle. I mean,I listened to I'll openly admit I listened
to Joe Rogan a lot, andhe brings up the vaccine, and he
says he was never vaccinated, norwas I. I'll open them. I
(52:20):
wasn't. Did you ever get sick? I got sick a few times,
got tested both times, didn't haveit, don't have the antibodies or anything.
So my wife didn't never either.It's weird, but I was sick,
really and I thought I was goingto die. I felt a headache,
and yes, I did you evenafter no, after I did.
(52:40):
I was coming home to get vaccinated, and I got really sick. So
you got sick before you got vaccinated. So why would you get vaccinated after
getting sick when because they might helpyou get over it. So here's what
happened to me when I was overit took the whole month twenty twenty December.
I was sick the whole month.And now I smell a lot of
(53:05):
people lost their smell. Mine gotcrazy better. So now if a kid
throws up in school, I cansmell it so bad that I get sick.
I can walk into a house likethis, and if somebody left urine
in the toilet, I can smellit in another room. It is weird,
(53:28):
but we didn't know what COVID woulddo, and a lot of people
died. So you know, Ijust the only reason I ask you why
you got vaccinated was I mean I'velistened to like even CNN's doctor Gupa has
even openly admitted that like getting vaccineor if you've had COVID already, those
(53:49):
antibodies in your system are almost betterthan the vaccine that we're giving out.
Yeah, so I was just curiouson but I mean, if we didn't
know, we didn't know. Atthe same time, it makes sense winding
down, Okay, I would liketo be re elected. I have some
(54:12):
I want to work on. Ortwo terms. You get six six two
turns two year terms so you canrun, So you run twice for six
years. No, no, okayevery two years. In the Oklahoma state
Representative runs every two years. Allone hundred and one of us could be
you know, re elected or getbeat. You're running every two years.
(54:37):
Yeah, senators every four years.Okay, So you just did this two
years ago, right, and Idid two years ago and then two years
ago I didn't realize you've already beenwow. Okay, yeah, Okay,
what do you want to tell me, well, I would like you.
I would like to run and getand win again. Because Department of Human
(54:59):
Services I was talking about the agenciesearlier. That agency has six thousand people
working in it. They take careof kids that are born. So if
you abuse a baby, Department ofHuman Services comes in and gets the police
to take that baby away. Butif you're in a nursing home and you're
(55:19):
one hundred years old and you gettreated bad, nothing happens. Well,
Department of Human Services is responsible.So they got this big a thing with
six thousand people, but no governingbody over them. And so I would
like to help. No one governingover that body. No, how are
they a thing? Well, Imean they were responsible to the governor.
(55:44):
But I'm just saying every other agencyhas a board, and they don't have
a board. They don't have aboard. And so when we did be
Congress, people like representatives that wouldbe the governor. My thought would be
to have the governor pick three people, the Speaker of the House representatives pick
three people, and maybe the protem of the Senate pick three people.
(56:07):
But it would be people like youon that board. And when the director
comes in and says we need tospend more money over here. You've done
your homework and say, why don'twe spend more money on childcare? Yes,
because we can't get more companies.We can't put more people back to
(56:30):
work until we have more childcare.And so that would be something I would
be working on as childcare. Also, criminal justice reform, we still need
to keep working on that because ifyou go to jail and you stay in
Payne County Jail for six months whileyou're waiting, and then you go to
(56:52):
Oklahoma City County jail to Oklahoma Countyand you go six months and then you
get put in prison. When youget out, you have to pay all
three establishments, yes, and thenyou're just there's no way. I remember
talking to you about this. Yeah, I think I mentioned about Corey Williams.
Yeah, it's just it's a systemthat gets that just traps you regardless
(57:14):
even after you are out, it'salways going to haunt you till you're sixty
seventy. It's basically kind of it'skind of like college, you're always gonna
have to pay. That's a goodshould we end on how they even that
we can. But those are thingsthat I want to work on. Okay,
what were you saying about so well, one of Saul's kids that he
(57:36):
graduated with at its still Water,Yeah, is in prison in McAllister on
death row, and so it isgraduate. We just happened to be in
school. Oh okay, okay,m hm, So thank you for the
time to uh yeah, well row, we should kids. And I'm not
(58:01):
saying he doesn't deserve what he's got, you know, but we put a
lot of people in jail. Ifyou had three rolled cigarettes of marijuana,
you could go to prison for fiveyears right now. No, okay,
I'm not doing that, but wemight still have in there, okay,
okay, oh wow, we stillhave people that went to jail and there
(58:23):
they haven't been released since the newlaws have passed. Right, so there's
there's things we need to work on. Absolutely. You have ninety days three
months to start paying back. Nowyou can pay back ten dollars a month,
but you got to start paying back. Well, nobody's hiring, yeah,
because you walk in and say yeah, I'm a felon, They're like
(58:45):
sorry, and so so it's hard. Yeah, I get it all right,
guys, go vote June eighteenth.Yes, sir, thank you so
much. John. The goals areopen seven to seven. I'll be out
there. I'll be out there.I'll you guys, thank you. We
(59:06):
just did one because it's hell.Mark Trotter. How are you hey?
I'm good? How are you good? Welcome to the Heally Cast for the
Telly Freeman. What's going on?How do we do it good? How
are you good? Hello? Marty? Oh hey buddy? What's up man?
(59:28):
How are you doing next? Howare you doing? What's your real
name? What's your government name?That is my first question. I'm just
gonna go right off the bat,and just JJ wood, what's up?
Longtime listener, first time guest,excited to be here. All have headphones?
Are good? Yeah? See right, guy Healey? What year were
you born? Ninety seven? Ninetysix? See al right, technically you're
(59:49):
a nineties baby, but you missedhalf of it,
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