Episode #88 - comedian/comedy club owner, Aaron White - TheHeleyCast

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up, guys, Welcome to the podcast. It's been a
while I've missed you. I've booked a guest, and my
guest today is Aaron White, a stand up comedian from
Oklahoma City. He's been aloof lately, well the few years,
I guess a little bit of a you know, what's
the word hermit.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, I've been a hobbit for the past year.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
That's the word hobbit.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I don't really do stand up anymore. I stopped back
in twenty twenty, but I I'm starting a club. It's
gonna be called Twisters.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's dope.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, it's going to be a comedy club. It's going
to have dance inside of it as well. One of
our key investors, He's He's he's one of the most
up and coming DJs in the city and he's done
a lot for the Latin dance community. But we're gonna
do a lot of like Latin, will probably have Western Country,
we'll have some more stuff in it to but it'll
be dancing, comedy primary.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's gonna be fun. So is it two rooms? I'm
as human?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, it'll be two rooms. Okay, yeah, yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Are you gonna do kind of like a little boy
big room, big boy room kind of deal. Or is
it gonna just be one dance floor and then one
more comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I'm hoping that we can have at least one large
comedy room one small comedy room. But in the small
comedy room you can kind of you can convert it
to a secondary dance room if we can grow the
dance scene enough in the city as a sort of
like spillover from the large room.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
What is the dance scene, like, just out of curiosity,
I haven't really Like when I think of dancing, I
think of like the nineteen fifties, sixties, let's go dancing,
John or you know, yeah, and then and then like nowadays,
I think of the Miami kind of seeing the clubs
or five to one oh or whatever, the five one, five.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Down fifteen that's something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Club one five or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, So you have this sort of traditional American club experience,
which is stuff like that, okay, or send your shots. However,
this is different what we're doing. It is very social.
Everybody in the Latin dance scene. When you get in it,
you you there's a sort of culture of everybody goes

(02:19):
up to you and then they ask you to dance,
and it's not uncommon for men and women to just
do that to one another.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's very normal, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
So if you don't, if you have a lot of
social anxiety or like you're looking to kind of make
new friends, like, it's a really good place to go
because it will get you out of your out of
your comfort zone and you'll make new friends. And it's
not grinding on people, you know, it's it's pretty respectful, honestly.
But that's the Latin dance scene. There's also there's a
bit of a similar vibe inside of like the country

(02:49):
country and western sort of dance scene. I would say
that's completely separate and is larger in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yes, For obviously we have quite a few dance halls
here in Oklahoma, Like Humble Weeds over here in still
Water is a huge dance hall. Is the one by
Bricktown still a dance hall?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah? Oklahoma Ranch? Yeah, Oklahoma Ranch.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Is it Still Ranch? I wasn't sure because that thing
has been like three different dance holes.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It has, it has. Oklahoma Ranch has been there for
a while though, But it was like.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
The Doctor Pepper Roote sixty six dance Hall.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It was a few different places, so I wasn't sure
if it was still the ranch. I've seen that, but it's.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Been through a lot of different makeovers. Funny story, I
actually know the guy who owns the building, Jim Brewer,
and the Brewer family. They actually helped they started Bricktown.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah. I can say that name's very familiar to me
because of Bricktown.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yep. Yeah, or it's a Brett Brewer owns the building,
but in his family, but the Brewer family, yeah, I
don't know. They they started Bricktown because they converted one of.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
The old was it spaghetti warehouse?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I was the first one. Yeah, So they were trying
to make it attractive to restaurants, and they brought more
in and then it kind of you.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Know, I'm sad that spaghetti warehouse isn't they have a
new spaghetti warehouse, right, that's funny, but it's not. It's
not the same spaghetti warehouse that it used to be,
like the old spaghetti weear the original spaghetti warehouse. I
remember as a kid that was bomb and I recently
maybe and then last year or so, tried the new

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one and that.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Was the og of Bricktown. Yeah, that's what got it
all started.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
So is the same owners now, I don't want to
talk about the new spaghetti warehouse. I don't know about that.
About my apologies, guys, oh okay, yeah, I don't know
about them. But it just doesn't taste the same. But
then again, I was a kid, so everything as a kid.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's like, oh yeah, I'm just agreeing blindly because like,
I've never been to the spaghetti the old spaghetti warehouse now,
neither ever been to the new one.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Where are you from?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Originally I'm from Oklahoma City. I just never grew up poor.
I didn't ever have an opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Is that a board, Yeah, well I don't know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or is it a rich thing? Who knows? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't know. Yeah, I just I never I never went,
but but I knew. I knew Brett from the gym
that I used to go to.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, yeah, and that's how you guys connected. And yeah,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
It's a really funny guy. I haven't seen him in
a while, but like I don't know, anytime I do,
he's a good time off subject.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I want to compliment you on your wife. Oh really, yeah,
your wife. She's a beautiful woman. She reminds me of
Michelle Obama with a sprinkle of Candice Ollens.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's really funny. We've been grooming her to be a
public figure. Actually yeah, there you gonna yeah, well I
joke about that, but we in some sense a little
bit because she's going to be the general manager of
Twisters eventually, so she's you know, all the comedians are
gonna see her at some point in time.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
She I don't know if she'll do the booking, but
I was just about to ask, So she booking or.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
She's really good at operations, so like all the stuff
that you know, might seem boring to other people, like
supply chain. You know, she's she's very familiar with tax stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'm okay, I wasn't sure if you you were looking
at it, so I.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Wasn't oh yeah yeah, no, yeah. So she's yeah, good
with all that stuff. Software, yeah, finance, Like, she's she's
pretty well rounded operation stuff. So I think that she's
gonna be a really good general manager for the club.
So yeah, but she she she follows Candice Owens. Yeah,
she would, she would like yeah, she she she she

(06:38):
definitely gives that like very professional black woman vibe. Yeah,
you know, but when you look at her face, you
you really can't tell, like she would be the middle
between the two.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, why I said it, I was like, also in
today's like atmosphere and just like how everything is nowadays. Yeah,
I'm like, this could go one way or not, so
I wanted to bring up both. It's tricky.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, you as soon as you label somebody with any
sort of like I guess moniker that leans left or right.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, immediately they just.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Kind of, I don't know, you could tell that the
other side of them will kind of retort.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, so when you go back home, tell her the
one she wants to hear.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, she wants to hear. I'm sure she could appreciate both,
but I think she probably leans slightly in the direction
of Candace.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah really Yeah, Candace is a very beautiful black woman
as well. And Michelle she's pretty good too. Like, I'm
very happy that the political app or political parties have
How am I gonna say this to not sound racist, Like,
I mean, they didn't necessarily pick them, but like they

(07:50):
just emerged, I guess is the correct word. And they're
not ugly or like, they're not like our white people
that are in office, you know what I mean. But
the only good part about Nancy Pelosi are the tits.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's funny as hell, you know, and that stock portfolio. Man,
that's very attractive. I'm gonna be honest with you. She
is fire.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
She is the greatest stock trader.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Of all time.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
That's why downloaded the app auto pilot. Yeah no, I've yeah,
I funk with that explains why you're opening a cup now,
yeah yeah, Oh where the money's going? Guys?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I mean, she's she's that is criminal. We should not
be letting that happen in this Country's wild.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
But it is funny.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
And I do think that the parties are meant to
fight like they really are, because I think I don't.
I think I said it on a different podcast that
you know, the it's good that the Republicans are kind
of being held to some sort of standard absolutely the
same way vice versa. Because I saw how much you
can say you want about how the Democrats were pushing

(09:02):
DEI and all that stuff and equity. But the thing
is is like, as a direct result, the Republicans, they
literally made their party far more inclusive. Yes, as a
by product because they were like, well, we don't want
them to have that argument against us, right, and then
all of a sudden they went an election, you know,
amongst other reasons. You know, I think podcasting had a

(09:24):
big role in it.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Podcasting definitely had a big role in the election this year,
I think because I mean it's a new tool. Like
if you think about twenty sixteen's election, I mean Obama
was technically the first president to use social media. H
I mean I think George Bush used Facebook maybe, but
Twitter wise, yeah, was Obama. And then you had Trump

(09:49):
used Twitter yeah, and went in twenty sixteen, and now
you're seeing in the twenty twenty election, Trump went hard
into the podcast he did, and Kamala More went with
mainstream Howard Stern, Yeah, Charlemagne the God. She played she
played it safe.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
She went with the people that you know were on
syndicated radio that turned into podcasting.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
But syndication is now like it's a good thing, don't
get me wrong, but I don't think it's worth Yeah,
like Spotify, like Spotify and YouTube for Joe Rogan, so
it's huge for both of us.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I would argue that when it comes to media. Typically
when a party kind of grips a new form of
media first, they tend to they get to ride that
way for probably about a decade or so, you know,
whether that was radio, you know in the nineteen twenties
and thirties, or which was you know, FDR's Bread and Butter,
which he probably won for other reasons, but it still

(10:47):
played a role than television, you know, like JFK versus Nixon.
JFK put a major you know, get a huge advantage
on television with you know, color television and just a
look of what he looked like and then the way
he was able to kind of portray him. So if
you look, it's far more calm and comfortable than in
the eighties, like the way the kind of major news
networks started kind of gripping it. And then and you

(11:09):
kind of see where you know, the Democratic Party kind
of got a little bit of a strong on that.
So nineties two thousands, you know, twenty towns, you know,
you got Clinton and Obama. It kind of felt a
little leaned a little bit more in the neoliberal level.
Oh yeah, partially because that now podcasting is probably that

(11:30):
like we probably saw a party identity shift happened in
twenty twenty four, and I'm sorry, this is probably supposed
to be about a comedy club and we went.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
To We're good, dude, I I go down complete different
rabbit holes as well. So okay, we're good. We're definitely good.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I'm gonna I'm probably I mean, some of the comedians
already know this, but I think it's it's also I
think this is good to say this, but I'm gonna.
I'm gonna run for public office eventually. Anyways. Yes, so
it's good to kind of, I don't know, I guess
talk a little bit about politics anyways, because I want
them to under stand that, like I understand, like I was,
I think I was quoting the Federalist papers, you know,
on Nick's podcast, So like that's kind of, you.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Know, like that it's cool to sit down with someone
that has aspirations to run for office that is a
simpleton like me. Like you're obviously more educated, don't get
me wrong, but like you're to me, you're you're you're
one of the people like you get you get you get,
You're not you're not like living high and like Trump

(12:31):
Dowery with great place, you know, yeah, but I mean
he's he's a different character altogether.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Is Yeah, he's like a w W E character. Like
it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I love like I say, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm sure there's some liberal people that will be watching,
but it's it's just funny.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
His debating is the best. It's just like when Hillary
was spitting for fucking you know, just facts and he's
just like real, I'm like, holy ship, you can do.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
That and I need to clarify to right. Yeah, It's
like I didn't know you could pull that move, Like
that can just be your thing.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
When when Shane did his whole skit about like uh,
you know you like whoa das? All right, I settled down,
shut the I love Shane so much. Oh my gosh, yeah,

(13:24):
what a cultural is that guy? So that this is
but like I did, like I was like when he
said that, I was like, that was my reaction. I'm like, wait,
you we can do that. See okay.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
This is also one of the reasons why I love
how podcasting is getting popular and it played such a
huge role in the election. Is as soon as I
saw that, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm probably
gonna win in the future, because if this is the
dominant form of media, like you said, dude, I can
do this all day and I can talk about intellectuals
like I would love to just only go on podcasts

(13:56):
and it just workshop the whole thing. That would be
so much much fun.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I like the whole idea of Elan just being like
with a doge. It's like, if you have an idea,
just tweet it to us.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yes, yeah, but when you think about it, that's so
much more democratic. And the thing is the Democratic Party
will adjust to this. Yes they will. They're they're gonna
they have to. Yeah, they don't have a choice. Yeah,
Like they're gonna have to put forth candidates that are real.
And I think what's gonna happen as a result is
they're gonna kind of be divide, like I think the
Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I see it.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's happening in too, because I saw Nancy Pelosi was
trying to block Alexandria Casio Cortes from being on the
House Oversight Committee chair.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
And the thing is is, I here's the thing. I'm
moderate and I lean very slightly conservative. However, I see
this and it kind of makes me a little happy
because there is a part of me that when I
watch AOC talk about things, I'm kind of like, oh,
that's really good to prevent corruption, you know, when she's
talking about campaign finance laws, when she's talking about Jerry manners,

(14:59):
I'm just like, Yeah, I've seen Bernie Sanders literally agree
with Elon Musk several times, right when it comes to
spending in defense and all this other stuff recently, and
and I'm just like, these are great conversations, honestly, Like
I understand where that side of the Democratic Party is
coming from. I don't like the Nancy Pelosi version, Like
I don't. I think that that's destructive of the country.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm a huge fan of AOC as well as Nancy Pelosi.
Don't get me wrong, there are I don't. I don't
like all their opinions either. Don't me wrong, Like you
you will, Like I'll grow through TikTok and watch a
video of AOC making a point, I'm like, oh, that
is a good point, and then the next one is
Tom Herman just roasting the fuck out of hers, Like, yeah, well,
if I get arrested with a child, you that child
is gonna be separated from me. So so I think

(15:45):
that's a very good point.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, he's just like, well, I can send their family
with them. Yeah, Like what do you want us to do?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Like right, right, And I'm all for keeping families together
and sending them back like it's it's true, but it's funny,
like I get it. Yeah, immigration is a People that
I've talked to that are liberal leaning are like, it's
not that big of a deal. You live in Oklahoma, Like,
we're one stay away from the border and it's the

(16:13):
largest border.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, and if you consider that the border state is
not going to act as a sanctuary, and they're very
you know, they got to go somewhere after that if
they do get in. So I don't know, that's it's
your hands are tied. This stuff has a lot of
nuance to it. It's really tricky.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I there's things I agree with the immigration reform that
Trump wants to do, and there's other things I'm like ooh,
like yeah, I mean, because the whole was it if
you were born in America, you're a citizen, but like
an anchor baby. Yeah, he kind of contradicts himself on that. Okay,
because if you think about it now, I may be

(16:53):
may you guys may correct me as well. I haven't
looked too deep into it, but it's possible that Millennia
wasn't a citizen sin when Baron was born. Oh okay,
which would and Baron being born in the United States
technically would anchor her as a citizen. If he wants
to send them back anchor babies, that would count his
wife and his child.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's ironic.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah right, yeah, so I'm but maybe it's maybe there's
some type of legal like maybe she was legal and
got her card, because.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Like, I don't know if any that's true.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right, right, I don't know what's true and what's not.
And as funny as this is gonna sound, my facts
comes from like a handful of podcasts.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And like, right, which is not a good source.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, no, no, no, And that's one of the things
I listened to Joe Rogan. He misinforms all the time.
I woke up and Prince Harry was like, Joe Rogan
is spreading misinformation. First thing, He's like, oh no, did
I I think that?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I think that personally. That's another thing that I can do,
you know, better than a lot of other people, is
as I get accustomed to this podcast circuit, I'm gonna listen.
I'm getting I'm graduating with the masters from John Hopkins University.
You know, I'm not just some like. On one end,
I am kind of like I like being around people.
I like kind of just kind of connecting with him.
I like the bullshit with people. But on the other end,

(18:10):
it's like, oh, okay, like I actually do like to
research things and make sure.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
That what they are. I have my computer. If I
have a producer, he'll have my computer and we'll have
a TV up and I.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Try the system of checks and balances that kind of
works a little bit.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I try to do yeah, my own little Jamie basically.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah. It's not like Joe's just going up there
and saying crazy things and it's not getting fat checked
at all. Well, him and Jamie will argue sometimes too right,
and there's and there's but there are some limitations. You know,
it's still just one person with a computer, so absolutely,
and he knows that he's you know, he's there. He's drunk.
He's just kind of hanging out, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I I try to keep the drinking done on
my podcast, but sometimes we'll get rowdy, have a few drinks.
If people live in Stillwater. That's all right about it.
If they're coming from the city, then I'm like, you
can have a beer or two, but don't get rout it.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, there's nothing more American than a d U I.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I know, Okay experienced. It's expunge though, So we're good.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Seven years people drinking and driving. That's very that's very bad,
very very bad. What's the location of your store club?
Have you thought of one?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
We're probably looking at. We have some front runners. Twenty
third Street is really popular, you know, amongst amongst most
of the people that are looking to help build this thing.
We're not going to rule out the possibility of like
Stockyard City or Capitol Hill.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Hong Yard City is being sold, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
As a whole? I mean, there's portions of it. There's
a significant chunk that's being sold, like the actual stock
yard itself. But there's still buildings on on Agnew Avenue,
which is its main street, that's.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Not part of the that's individual part.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
I assume, yeah, those are separate business. Cattleman's has been
there since yeah, I just for the state opened or
maybe just after it.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I read an article recently about how the stockyards was
up for sale, and I was like, holy fuck, Like
that's huge.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
He was like twenty three million for the whole that
section and they get to operate under different zoning laws
and stuff like.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well, the thing is, we're the only remaining operating uh
livestock in the war in the United States. Like Omaha
is more of a tourist attraction, fort Worths is more
of a tourist attraction. Every head of cattle in the
United States from the West to the East that they're
getting shipped across comes through Oklahoma Cities.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Stuff's interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I mean to my understanding, now.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
If that's I was about to say, I didn't know.
If that's I'm taking.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I need Jamie.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
This is right after you we just said that everything
about fact checking it.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I need a Jamie. But I mean, I've looked into it.
Everything I've read says that Okahama Cities is the only
real operating one like Omaha's and Chicago's burnt down. Those
two were the largest ones in America, but they burnt
down and they never really like rebuilt for livestock. They
rebuilt for more buildings, kind of like what we have

(21:16):
out in Agnew, Okay and OKAYC is like the only
live operating one. And it's not even the one in
off of Agnew. It's the one that's more al Reno based,
like way West. It's the West Okay see Livestock Association
out there. That one is the largest one.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Interesting. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. Historically we've
been a I thought we've been an epicenter for live
stock since eighteen hundred year was Fort Worth? Well, I'm
not saying the and just because you know the Chisholm Trail, Yeah,
that was.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, absolutely, I knew about that. I figured, like Kansas
City and Fort Worth would be the two like main
heads because they're in the middle of the United States,
they can ship anywhere, and they're perfect for all the
cattle business that runs up in the Midwest. And yeah,
instead it's US. I was like, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
When I was a kid, I lived in a hot
it was kind of like a farmhouse ish type thing,
and we lived on the Chisholm Trail. Like that's cool.
Before it was, you know, I guess no longer whatever. Yeah,
And I would go out there with like a like
a metal detector. I'm trying to find ship.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, did you find anything cool? No?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Damn, Yeah, I didn't look hard enough.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Probably, that's still cool to like go out there and
do that kind of stuff. I found arrowheads when I
was younger in like river beds and stuff. Obviously being
dumb skip them across the waters.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's cool. Yeah, accidentally kill a fish getting out.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Who knows, but probably hundreds of years old, and I'm
just skipping them across. Yeah, that's awesome, like a dumb
ass nine year old. That's what we do. All right,
you got you got your points out.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
These are just a few things.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Go over them. Yeah, what's your first one? Did we
already go over it? No?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
This is this is kind of interesting. So I feel
like I haven't really talked to anybody about this. Would
be a good time to kind of mention it. I
was ghostwriting for I'm gonna call it ghost writing because
I signed an Nda and all this other stuff for
a television show, and I think that's part of the
reason why I the thing it would be cool to
open a club. It's because I kind of got like

(23:28):
a little bit of taste of certain parts of the industry,
and I'm like, hm, all right, like I think I
I might actually have a little bit of the know how, Like.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
How much can you give away about the TV show?
Is it like going on right now or is it
already done?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's going on right now. It's not like I'm not
gonna call it like an insanely popular thing. Okay, but
it's it's a show, and it's it's it's a dirty show.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Are you accredited to it? Like is your name in
the credits? I?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Uh, I'm not going to give away that information.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Because Okay, No, I wasn't trying to push you or anything.
I was sorry. I don't know how NDA's work or anything,
and I'm trying to be very careful with it. No,
you're good. But also I want, like I also want
to support it if I can figure it out.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
We're not gonna be able to support this one for
multiple reasons, and it makes me happy that that exists
for for for multiple reasons as well, and that is
because I don't want to. When we open the club,
I'm keeping my job, you know, and I don't want
to mess with any of that stuff. So I gotcha.

(24:37):
There's there's movies that I've been in that I'm not
that I don't have my name in the credits. Gotcha
for that reason. I got you.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I got you. That's right. You mentioned your job before
we started recording, and that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
And all the characters that I've played have been like
you can't recognize me in them, like so that's like
I'm wearing sunglasses or I've got like a thing on
my head, or I'm you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He was a man on the grassy no in the whatever. Yeah,
and this was it the what is the video called
the strad film? Damn it? Anyways? Oh yeah, the JFK
the famous film.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, I'm blinking on it too. I'm sorry it starts
with a s.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Stra food you know what. This is why we have
chat GPT. Now what is the fameus? M hm while
you're looking at go ahead.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I did the ghostwriting thing a
little bit. It wasn't anything super crazy. It didn't pay
like a tremendous amount either, but it's for something that's
at least I think I think comedians would recognize it
for sure. But I took part of that experience and
I used it for my application to John Hopkins, and

(26:06):
they thought it was kind of neat So it played
some role in me getting into it. Probably it's my
guess that's awesome. Yeah, I'm very proud of you. John
Hopkins is a very prestigious school. Yeah, and it's not
for medical school.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, it's just for engineering. That's don't wave that off
like it's just no. Engineering is still big too, Like
that's hard. Like, yeah, you guys make my wife a
difficult I like working on cars, and then I'm like,
why did you put the oil filter underneath the manifold
where I have to take the fucking whole.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Guy Dodge likes to make things difficult.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
That were fucking Chevy.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm just like a German cars.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It was the Zapruder film. The Pruder film was what
I was referencing. A right nice okay anyway, so I
had to get that off my chest and.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
You're good. Let's see this is this is kind of
a neat point to kind of bring up I want
this club. I think this club is going to be
one of the most influential clubs in the country if
it can be built the way that I'm I'm imagining it.
But being a cybersecurity engineer and somebody that's worked a
lot with it. Like I want this club to be

(27:12):
the most viral, one of the most viral clubs in
the country, and there's gonna be a whole system that
kind of works around that. And since I'm used to
working inside of the tech space, I think that being
the lead investor slash, you know, one of the owners
of this thing, I think that I'm going to be
able to make it. There's things that I understand and

(27:35):
I know how to levy that other people don't, So
it'll be interesting to kind of help create that vision
alongside other people as long as they're pssionate about it.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
So that makes sense. I mean, like, I think Nack.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
And David can help a lot with that, so that'll
be good.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I don't mean to be insulting or who is Nick
and David I'm not familiar with.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Oh, they're in They're in Oklahoma City. They run out
a podcast called Rhythm and With and it produces shows
in Oklahoma City. He does comedy on the spot and
David kind of helps produce with him. Okay, he takes
a lot of the photos and stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, I just I guess I haven't been in the
scene for a while myself, as well, I mean, I'm
more podcasting than doing comedy, but I do write jokes like, yeah,
like why did Hitler off himself because he wasn't gonna
find a good lawyer?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
There's there's everybody has.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Different roles to play. Yeah, so you we need like
some comedians are going to be better at that. Some
comedians are going to be better at crowd work. Some
comedians are you know, I honestly think that the single
comedian that has the best potential to be like famous famous,
like household name famous from Oklahoma is his best thing
is CrowdWork Maverick. Yeah, and I think that if we

(28:45):
can create a show that really kind of catapults him.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And I love how you and I were both thinking
the same thing, because.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
He just needs to be viral constantly, and if you
can do that for long enough, he'll he'll become notable.
I think, at bare minimum, he'll get on like the
same level as like some of these CrowdWork.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Comedians on Kill. Tony wasn't terrible. It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
But as soon as I saw him get cut off
by Tony, you know, when he was about to do
the crowd work, I was just like dang it. That
sucks because he was about to do what he was
really really good at.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I like Maverick, he's a great comedian. His uh his
own material is good, but I think he should have
leaned more to the crowd work on kill Tony.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I agree, you know, and I mean, well, he on
kill Tony. He can only do what Tony tells him
to pretty much, so that's tough.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I guess, Oh yeah, yeah, that is tough. Like I mean,
on kill Tony, it would be tougher to do crowd
work than doing the one minute of your own comedy set.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It feels like a disservice to ask this guy to
do regular jokes just because he's so good at regular
crowd work. God that we I think honestly, I.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Think he's better than Matt Riithe or or I.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Know specifically said also like to a lot of people,
I'm like, listen, like you can take the top ten
crowd work comedians in the country, Mavericks better than quite
a few of them. Yeah, you know, he's just and
he's so Oklahoma too. We can sell this guy. We
can sell this guy at least to the entire state,
and he can really I think he can make a
living off of this, for sure, but we do. Yeah,

(30:21):
we need to. We need to create a show around him.
I have some ideas. We're gonna run him at the club.
We're gonna see how it goes. I have like a
green flag red flag dating show concept that I think
he'd be brilliant for. Yeah, and the system can help
carry some of the blind spots too, you know, because
like if you can put a green flag on people,
like you bring people up, you talk to them, you

(30:42):
let him go back and forth with them, and then
he can assign a green flag hat or a red
flag hat to a person and then try to maybe
even pair people up at the end of the show.
I think he's gonna be great for this.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah. Yeah, but I definitely want to leverage the internet,
like I want us to be pumping out like three
or four of it, you.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Know, definitely day Yeah, all right, this maybe get cut.
But this is my idea for the live podcast I
mentioned to you earlier. Sure, it's called the Off the
Cuff Podcast, presented by the Heely Cast or hosted by me,

(31:23):
And yeah, it's the it's an open mic challenge. It's
for regulars like you know, the main comedians that we
have in the scene, but also for newcomers. And it
also gets the crowd involved.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Where it's huge. That'll good for the videos.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Where before the crowd like wherever the door is to
the room, you have two buckets on each side of
the door, and they put in premises and ideas, and
instead of me pulling names like Tony Hingecliff does out
of a bucket, I pull premises and I have a
list of comedians and they come in. They have a
minute to two minutes to do their premise or whatever,

(32:01):
just right off the bat. And it's practice, like you
just have to.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
So you would take a premise and then several comedians
would be writing to the premise and they would all
come up and do the same one one comedian.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh so just one at a time, yep, one, And
you keep pulling different premises out of the bucket for
each comedian, and it's just kind of a second last
second like, oh, I gotta figure out how to work
this and whatnot. Like I pull out you know instance,
Aaron White and you come on stage. Everyone collapsed, Oh.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You're picking out a name and a premise.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, the name is like everyone signs up, that's already
set up. You know, that's already set up. I just
have a list. I'm not getting randomly pulled because I
feel like that's too close to kill Tony already with
the you know, with even pulling the the premises. But
he has such a great pod premise. His whole setup
is great, and I'm not trying to take too much
away from it because I'm also trying to incorporate my ideas.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
We can't copy what he's doing. It's just disrespectful for
the format. And plus, if we're going to be a
major club, it's gonna it's gonna catch one.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I said if we cut it, you know, That's why
I was like.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
No, But this idea is good and I definitely think
we can implement it, and we need here's the thing.
We need live podcast. We need these concepts at this club.
We need stuff to do is particularly from Monday through Thursday. Okay,
at least once a month. You could be doing that
even bi weekly.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
The other idea, what well to add to that is
because it's a practice thing. I saw what you were
mentioning through your whole description of this club, Julie Drake
is going to be kind of a coach or have classes.
She could she could be one of the panelists as well.
That could work too, you know what I mean, And
like we have more experience her as a regular panelist

(33:37):
kind of so she can mold because I'm not the
type to tell you how to do things. I'm more
of you suck or you were great, you know, like
I'm more of the kill tony silly side, not the
critique area. And I think she could come in as
the critiquer and help that comedian more than what I would.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Here's what makes me comfortable with the idea of you
doing this. You've got some experien with podcasting on your belt.
That's important.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Here's I need people that I can trust to come
in and run these types of shows, you know, during
that Monday through Thursday slot. We need stuff like that.
And if you're down to come like absolutely weekly, bi weekly,
whatever that looks like, then like, let's do this. Let's
make this work.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Absolutely, I'd be one hundred percent down. I'm just shooting
ideas down my asshole. But as well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Like it's okay if we need to rework any of
these I don't want to make them for something different,
but the fact that you're in it.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I've mentioned that idea to maybe two other comedians and
they're like, that's a great idea. Just be careful on
how close you're doing it with with you don't want
to you don't want parallel, like you're kind of already
paralleling it with pulling the bucket and doing the interview
afterwards and everything, and I'm like, we're It's just I

(34:52):
want to challenge the comedians more and have them critique,
like just be yes, like brain kind of it's brilliant.
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They need different stuff going on during the week. On
top of that, you know, my goal is to buy
I'm going to buy another house, and I want I
want that house to be for performers. So you know,
if they're visiting or whatever the situation is, I want
them to have a reason to stay here for the
whole week. Yeah, you know, so that way they can
go on the other shows and then they can populate
the other videos and have fun. You know, I want

(35:22):
them to feel like their routine isn't being interrupted. I'm
gonna put nice stuff in this house. It's going to
be like a beautiful Airbnb.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You're going to say, it's going to be like the
condo for the comedy will story, and it'll be it
will be well taken care of.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Like I'm going to make sure, like I might even
put a small gem inside of it, you know, in
a hot tub or whatever the hell, Like, I'll make
sure that this is dope.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So I want to make sure that people have reasons
to be here. We need to create amenities that make
comedians and other performers and even dancers, you know, who
may interact with each other. Like we might just be like, hey,
screw it, Like we have a dancer here, let's just
throw them on the show. Yeah, let's just see what happens.
You know, because a lot of them are used to
be in front of people, They're probably going to be like,
holy crap, this is fun and it's gonna make them

(36:02):
definitely want to come back to Oklahoma City. So that'd
be cool.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
One of the comedians I mentioned the idea too. This
I did to They're like, you need a live band,
as I just looked at them like, well that that
is to kill Tony for me. It is a live band.
And also it costs money that but at the same
time I was thinking, damn a live band would be
nice at the same time, but I just I don't
have the money the funds, first off, Yeah, and secondly,

(36:27):
I'm too scared to pull the trigger because if it
did become popular, people are going to comment. And I mean,
I'm already you know, we have fucked up minds already,
and you know, we get depressions of real thing and
I read comments sometimes and it can get to you.
So if everyone's like you ripping and be like, oh,
this is just a rip off, kill Tony, then but
understand that this is we could have a brody situation.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
The whole club, the whole Carrod sorry, the whole club
is meant to be an ecosystem that is going to
allow all these things exist inside of it, and it's
going to be a well oiled machine. Me and my wife,
we're both engineers, We're both very organized, We're both you know,
like you said, she's got like a very polished appearance,
like we're both what we are the people that we're

(37:10):
meant to do this. We certainly believe that, and you know,
I'm excited to see how all this stuff is gonna
you know.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I had that feeling when I saw your post. I
was like, out of anyone I could I could see
this guy doing like out of any of the comedians
in the scene. I was like, it was either going
to be Julie because she's very experienced and she's more
of a coach, or you know, tries to help the
newcomers and she's going to have a major role. Yeah. Absolutely,
I know that for sure. I mean she's brilliant. Yeah, amazing. Yeah,

(37:40):
I need to get her on the podcast. I've talked
to her about getting her on the podcast. The only
problem is I'm here. She's an okay see, yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Hard to the point, you know, maybe you'll be doing
stuff at the club, even though it'd be a little
while from now. So I interact with her, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Do you have a year in mine on when this
is yet?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Twenty twenty six is what we're hoping for.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, that's what we're hoping for. Or I could see
it happening in like fall. Maybe it just depends. We
have a Me and my wife have an eighteen month plan.
We we have a project management software that we're kind
of like drafting everything up on.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
We have certain phases that we're in, like the pad
or whatever, like are you setting up walls and or trying?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, like gant charts and stuff like that. I got you, okay,
got oh, no, no, you're fine.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I asked you you if you had location. You said
you had a few. You were looking at one on
twenty third. We're looking at some right. You know, there
was a location that Brandon had an open mic at
called poor Okac Lounge. I've heard of it. That was
off of Sheridan. What's the atmosphere on Sheridan because to

(38:43):
me it seemed lively at the time, but that business
just went out of business, so I wasn't sure if
you knew or not. How the being.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Trying to think, I'm trying to envision wear on Sheridan.
What else is around it?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Sheridan classing, like where the taco bell is?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Okay, okay?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And if you go more towards downtown.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Here's what's interesting that and Capitol Hill and Stockgart City,
which I did mention all of that stuff. Stuff's bleeding
into it, so it's like you got to you gotta
time it right.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So it's tricky.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
It could all of those are solid backup options for reason.
But it's just kind of like where is the development
going to kind of pour into We don't really know
just yet. Okay, you know, like because Wheeler District is
over there kind of doing it, doing the same thing
on the southern end of it a little bit, or
you know, it could go either way, you know, just
in what direction they're going to build during what time?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh I just remembered where twenty third is. I was
thinking twenty third is south of fortieth and it's not.
It's actually north. It's are you thinking the Paseo area.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
It's pretty close to it. Yeah, really so it's like
Tower Theater.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
If I need to bleep that out, I'll bleep it out.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
But oh you're good.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Sorry. I mean, oh yeah, because I figured I finally
figured it out. Like when I hear twenty third, I'm
thinking of that whole strip and not an actual but
then it kind of clicked. It's like, oh that is
kind of a yeah, kind of groovy area to put that,
like that strip area. Yeah, I mean that's is what
is that theater? Is it a dance club or whatever?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
It's mostly for you know, music, or it's a yeah, Okay,
it's just a generic because.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I mean I see it kind of look like a
movie theater like it.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, it looks classic.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, so I wasn't changed much.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Over the past, like a few decades.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was still a movie
theater or like a cinema or yeah, some sort of
thing where it's do you see a lot of Latin
people line up outside? So I guess it is a
dance hall now. But yeah, there's it's it's mainly for
music stuff. But yeah, there's an open mic over there too,

(40:48):
Isn't there.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
There used to be? It got shut down and I'm
probably gonna have to broker some peace on that one
if it does end up on twenty third Street. But
I'm I've I've already broken piece in several other areas
at the that's because of or because it got shut
down because somebody said something and then they took it,
I took it online or what I know.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I know who we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, and that's we let this just be alerted. I think,
I think experience the main.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Thing I want to ask you before we gay off,
because we're getting around that time. I think or am
I am I wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Or I think we're forty minutes in or so okay.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Then we're fine.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Sorry, you're good.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I don't want to go over.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
For sure, for sure, but yeah we do need to.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Are you gonna have Yonder bags?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Is that the thing you put your phone in?

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, and they get locked when you go into the
room or whatever. They're expensive, don't get me wrong, but
I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Think no, it might be that might be a step,
you know, as eventually we do that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
If I would say, if you invested in it, start
using it for like the main shows, like if you
have an Adam Ray or like a just instant Joe
Rogan stops in or something because you get that big
of a name in your club. Yeah, that kind of stuff.
I would definitely have the I think Joe travels with
his Yonder bags wherever he goes he has, Yeah, and
he's I looked up something, Joe. Maybe he has a

(42:15):
deal with Yonder Obviously. I don't think he has a
semi truck following him with Yonder bags, but like that's funny.
I know when he does arenas with Chappelle.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that's not uncommon.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, all of their all the phones are locked up
in a yonder bag, which is I like, that's what
fifteen twenty thousand people in an arena. So like, I
looked up for twenty yonder bags on Amazon. It's seven
hundred and eighty dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
It's pretty expensive.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
It's expensive, but depending on how big the room is,
we could probably pull that off. But well, it was
just an idea. I mean, I was just I was
asking because.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
In steps, you know, I think it's it's a good
amenity to have.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
What I was trying to build up to, that wasn't
my main question. What I was trying to build up
it too, is is the main point for this comedy
club to make it more of a safe space space haven,
safe space slash haven for comedians to more do their
art instead of getting in trouble with you know, the
bars or whatnot. They can come in Oh there, you know,

(43:16):
do they're fucked up so it's or whatnot?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah? I think so here this is actually a really
interesting topic that's very worth talking about. In fact, if
I would, I would bookmark this section right here for
all the comedians that watch it, And I would, you know,
if I was a comedian in Oklahoma, I would probably
be watching this this particular segment of this podcast. So
I've had a lot of comedians kind of give their

(43:41):
opinions on who is like when it comes to particular material,
They've said, hey, like, I don't really like material that
goes super super far, you know, like what's that going
to look like? Or rather than asking what it looks like,
they usually just say, hey, I don't like that, you know,
or vice versa. They're like, hey, like, I want there
to be a space for this to happen. I see
some contention, Like not every comedians super hot hot headed

(44:04):
on this, but like there's there's contention among enough of
them that I'm it is worth pointing out and noting.
What I will say is this is a comedy club.
I'm not I'm not going to run this the way
that other comedy clubs have been done locally. And I
will say this, we need to make everything work. We

(44:27):
need butts and seats. That's what we need number one
and number two. Yes, creatively, there will be space to
do that. There will be space for people to push
the boundary.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Obviously, if you start walking the room it becomes an issue.
But if you're just practicing.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Try so honestly, Like, there's a comedian who talked to
me yesterday and said, like, hey, I've seen you walk
a room whenever I did comedy, And that's true, that
did happen one time.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
I know I've walked a few.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, I've I have done that, and in the pursuit
of trying to understand how to make that thing work. Yeah,
I don't know. There's part of me that wants to
call him out, but like, I don't want to, you know,
be mean or anything like that. That's not my intention
at all.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I can bleep it now.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's it's just to be self aware because I agree
with him. I'm like, yeah, I did do that, But
did I ever do that again?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
No? You know, But anyways, I got called out when
I first started, sure for sponge braining. Okay, I kind
of took away from a few Pete Davidson jokes. I
was really just starting.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Out, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Whatnot And someone told me and I said, thank you.
I started correcting it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
As long as people don't hold this over your head forever,
that is that now.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I will say there is one particular comedian. I don't
think he hold it against me anymore, but the way
we exchange it. He told me to stop coming to
open mics because he doesn't want me watching his material
and stuff. And I explained to him, like, listen, I
don't know any of the local comedian's material. The material
whoever you're hearing around the scene. If I'm sponge braining

(46:11):
or stealing jokes is what you're hearing. Sure, what is
happening is I have been watching too much comedy, you know.
And he's just like, leave me the fuck alone all
this something.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Like chrystomnesia kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I was like, thank you for opinion. I can't make
everyone happy, and ever since then I have a spongebrain
or whatnot.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
It's it's okay, like I I just want to go
out of the way. Yeah, I get it. Mistakes are made,
you know, Like I made a mistake. You know, I
just admitted to it a second ago. If people are
going to if people's goal with this is to try
to police the scene so that way it makes it
look like what they want, that's not going to be it.

(46:50):
That's not going to be a thing. There will be
places for everybody, though. Here's one thing I do like,
for example, I do like, for example, Christella and this
be another point that I think is very important for
the comedians, because we we did get off track, so
I will say sorry about that. This is the part
where you should probably kind of be listening, you know,

(47:11):
So ignore the first the first bookmark, go to the
second book mark. This bookmark I think is important.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
So we.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
There's going to be space for everybody despite what your
style is. So if you are edgy like, there will
be space for that. If there if you're more PG thirteen,
of course, you know, we'll make that work as well,
Like we're going to make space for that. However, you
design the schedule around that. You know, you don't bring

(47:41):
edgy comedy to an audience that's likely going to not
be that edgy, right, you know, and vice versa, you know,
because edgy audience doesn't want PG thirteen comedy.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Like you said, we have that Monday through Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Right Thurday through Thursday time block, Yeah, to try all
kinds of different things. Will be particular about We're going
to be very detailed about how we schedule that because
we need to make sure that it's it aligns with
what the audience could potentially look like. There might be
sometimes where we miss that's normal, Like we're going to
have to make corrections.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Mistakes happen.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
People are human, will figure this out, okay, But yes,
there will be space to do all those things. Now,
if somebody's going up and they're doing it like maliciously,
which I've seen people do that, then we will probably
pull them aside and say, hey, listen, like you're just
doing this like I've seen particular comedians go up and
do it just because they think it's amusing to themselves.

(48:33):
That's not cool. Like do try to do stuff that works, okay,
like go up there and have fun, yes, but don't
go up there and maliciously walk crowds. That is the problem,
maliciously walking crowds because you don't.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Care well, like I think a lot of comedians, like
even open open mic comedians listen to these big podcasters,
right and big podcasts.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
With audiences that have been developed.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Right, but they talk about how, you know, have fun,
do jokes you want to do, but that's already being established,
you already have a fan base. When you're doing open mics.
You don't have a fan base. You have to read
the dumb people you don't.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Now, I will say this, the generic comedy fan has
gotten a lot darker over the past four years or so,
Like as soon as the pandemic hit, kill Tony.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Got more populars popping, A lot.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Of stuff has happened, you know, people, there's different ways
to push the boundary. It's a lot different. So, yes,
it's it's a different game to be played. And I
think that some people did not enjoy seeing that shift happen,
but some people adapted, you know. I think Julie was
a good example. I think I maybe mentioned that a

(49:42):
different podcast, but yeah, so there's a few other comedians that, like,
I don't know, I just kind of have some random
thoughts about more recently just in case people I don't
know are serious. So I think that.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
We mentioned Maverick mentioned Julie.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, you know what I can. I can let you
throw out any any thoughts that you might have, you know,
about any comedians and stuff, and then I'll kind of
like sandwich some of these in there.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I don't know if Marty Marty Johnson is still working.
They've seen him as I've been out in the last
few months. I was probably a year and a half
two years ago, he was still coming to open mics
and every time I saw him do open mics, he
was talented. Like he he did. He reminded me of
a Ron White type, you know, older type, did older

(50:31):
type of jokes but still made you laugh, you know,
queen but still dirty if that makes any you know
what I mean? Like Io, I like Marty if he's
still doing it, you know, Austin Slaughter. Yeah, I know,
he's goofy in his own way. He has a group. Now, Yeah,

(50:57):
I've seen that his group might be kind of interesting
to like do something for you guys on stage and whatnot.
Might be more improv type of stuff. But I think
their tiktoks are He sends me so many tiktoks Instagram
videos it's hilarious. Yeah, I mean you got brand and Killo.
He's popping. Okay, you really want my opinion. A dark

(51:23):
horse that no one, I don't want to say no
one's talking about, but like kind of is going underneath
every you know the radar. Cody Freeman, Okay, he's opening,
he's you know, featuring for these big names like PAULI
Shore and you know, I think he's doing really well.
Now these are just me looking on Facebook and just

(51:45):
kind of reading and doing. I haven't gone to actual
mic in a while, so I would suggest you doing
your own research as well your due diligence. But in
my opinion, Cody Freeman did. He has that spark. He
kind of like reminds me of a little bit of
that Maverick, like the country style. You got the country style,
maybe not the crowd.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Work part, but when you think about people that can
appeal to the population of Oklahoma, Yeah, you know, I
definitely see how he can do that.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Cody and Maverick are like when I first met both
of them, I thought they were like cousins because they
were just so they might be. They both had dip
in their mouth.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I was like, oh fuck, yeah, I don't know, statistically,
that's a very real possibility in this state. True, true, Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
John McMillan used to be great. I don't know if
he's doing it anymore.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, these are I like John a lot Sidham. John
is very comfortable, you know, as a host. That's one
thing I've noticed a lot, you know, like some people
just have got that hosting gene. He's really good at that.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Adrian was really good. Adrian Corwin was decent. His jokes
are good. He's a decent host. Like I'm saying, I'm
just going off Facebook right now, Like I don't want
to say he's decent. He was good, He's he reuns
Othello great like Othello's is still going on, and I
think he does a great job. Like last time I

(53:12):
was there, I had no issues with Othello's, Like Othello's
is a great location. So I'm not talking trash on Adrian.
I have done that in the past and he and
I have discussed it. So I'm trying to not you know,
rag on him. And I mean he's come on the
podcast since then and you know whatnot. But I just
want to make that clear. I'm not I'm not trying

(53:34):
to make this into shit talking fucking podcasts. But those
are really you know, those are the guys I was
in when I was doing comedy, saidham KILLO Got Taga Zeta,
JJ Wood is one when I was kind of winding
up and you know, gas got expensive and the new

(53:56):
administration came in after the twenty twenty election and I
really kind of stop going because of gas reasons. I
was like, yeah, God, damn, this is expensive. You know,
I'm coming back and forth every night and then spending
money on drinks. Figured out I don't need to drink anymore,
so I don't drink anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
But yeah, it's just these are some of the things
that I noticed, maybe some of the people I've I'm
kind of I'm keeping my eye on a lot of people,
but I like to kind of like throw in some people.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I didn't mention any Tulsa comedians.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
It's fine, okay some other time, but some of the
other some people that I've noticed recently, and I've I've
mentioned some other ones on other podcasts, But I think
Michael Dunes really cool. I don't know if you've seen
him or even know who he is, but he's been
doing it for a couple of years. I believe he
runs the open mic over at Lively Brewing. One thing

(54:51):
I like about him is that he is very very like.
He comes across very real and natural when he's telling jokes.
So I think that is very underrated because a lot
of people will get up and it's like you can
see that they're performing a monologue, and I think that
he doesn't tell jokes like that. He tells jokes like

(55:13):
it's happening for the first time. And he does it
very well. He does what we would call from a
literary standpoint, we call very similitude, Like he makes it
feel like it's actually real. It could be completely fake,
but he just does so well.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
When I say he's bullshit, and I mean like, yeah,
like exactly, like he's his material may not be bullshit,
like he actually wrote his material, don't right, wrong, right,
but the way he performs it is like how you
and then I are just bullshitting on this podcast. Yeah,
I really like how he does that. I agree with you,

(55:48):
that's underrated talent, and I think that is one of
the most important talents to have as a comedian because
you can connect so much better with the audience because
you're just there talking to them.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
They're all honestly, they are all that. All comedians do
that to different very to different degrees. I just think
how good he is at it this early on, I
think is what is what's going to be really cool
to see about him as he continues to develop. Some
others that I've I've kind of noticed.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I really like.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
The professionalism of Cody Troutman and Taylor Dunn. I feel
like those two I.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Know, Cody Troutman I like Cody a lot, dude.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I think the way that they come across, they're just
they're very They're very cordial, yes, very warm, you know,
and I think that that's going to carry both of
them as they develop a lot. I'm very interested to
see kind of, yeah, what they're like. If I think
of some two comedians that like you just want to
work with because of that alone, I think those are

(56:52):
a couple.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, yeah, maybe a couple more would be. So Remy
is moving back from Austin, is he? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Okay, it's do.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I saw him do a mic at at Bricktown.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Did kill Tony too? Yeah, he looks Honestly, he's in shape.
He looks a lot better than when he left. Okay,
see he's in a lot better shape too.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
And his comedy, I think he's he's hitting a lot
more on stage. I can see that for sure. But
I think he's going to play some role in certain
parts about how the club are working. So I he's
got he seems he really went and developed a lot
in Austin. Yeah, it was kind of cool. Let's see

(57:39):
I mentioned all of them, Taylor and Nick, Nick Campbell,
they're probably gonna work with I May who's the DJ
that's going to work with our club a lot to
probably do some shows. I'm Mayorga.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
He used to live in you know, his family is
out of Woodward. I think, okay, it's not the same
himI though, was enough?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
No, okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Was thinking of the HEIMI that new Rao Rau Rodriguez.
Uh yeah, I don't know the Texas comedian, I believe, Okay, yeah, anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I don't know why these two always seem to like
I don't know why this seems like a pair to me,
but like John John Wallen and Aba C, I feel like.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Like John Wallen a lot, He's fucking good.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I think the two hit a similar demographic. So if
I'm ever doing shows in the future or like whoever's
doing producing and stuff like, it'd be interesting to have
them paired up on. I mean, they probably have already
done tons of show like a.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Roast or something. Or are you just thinking like together together?
I have no idea, like feature open kind of maybe.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
But also maybe even concepts. I don't know, maybe like
the the two energies are totally but they hit the
same demographic quite a bit, Like they just they really
hit the hipster demographic hard.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I think I know who this ava is. I know
who John Wallen is. John's fucking nowhere he is. Yeah,
you know, I've been honestly, I'll be I shouldn't say
the exact same. There's just a lot of overlap. I
got you. I'll be honest. I've been kind of steering
away from comedy for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
No, I could tell based on all the comedians you
listed earlier, they are they kind of they're all involved
in different ways. Yeah, but I could just tell that, yeah,
they it all. It just sounded like a very twenty
twenty two answer. Ok.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Sorry, no, no, no, No, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
It's not a negative thing either, Like it's they're all great,
They're all gonna play roles. It's just that, No, I
didn't hear any of Maybe the past couple.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Of years, I skipped over John Wallen because I mean
he yeah, in my mind, he's still new to me,
and then.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
He's a fixture.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Troutman has been around about the same time as me,
and I just I always overlook him when I shouldn't
overlook him, you know, I mean, he's talented as hell.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Well, I want to give some of these people credit.
And I'm not just gonna talk about the people that
have been in it for ten years or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I got you, I got you on. Yeah, I think
we got a lot more time. We got ten more minutes.
I was like about to wrap things up, but I
think we got probably ten more minutes at least. Okay,
just real quick, is this gonna be a two story
or just one level club? Because I mean Bricktown when

(01:00:32):
you walk into Bricktown and go into if it's still
like that, I don't know if they remind Okay, yeah,
they have a upstairs and I don't know why they
never do they own the upstairs, and I don't know
if they're I was gonna say, if they they should
so they could have a second room.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I mean maybe, I don't know. That's just my but
from a leasing standpoint, it may not be favorable for them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah. I mean. Also, if you listen to Joe Rogan
talking about the Mothership, He's like, I'm not trying to
make money, I'm just trying to break even.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Well that's different because you know their chain, you know,
they're probably interested in making money. And I think that
Rogan cares about development He's also on Sixth Street, so
having two rooms is a lot more realistic. Yeah, it's
a whole different game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I heard he's trying to open up a Nashville location.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Possibly that would be a really good second place to
go to Nashville's popping. That would be just because of
the similarities. It has to how Austin functions. The live
music scene has really paved its way as a you know,
its secondary function can be comedy. It can be music first,
and then that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Jelly Roe has been opening for kill Tony or kill Tony,
or Tony has been playing for Jelly Row. It crosses
over regardless, that's funny. You haven't seen those yet. You
gotta go check those out there. Where can we find you? Man?
Obviously Facebook, I mean that's how I found you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
But Facebook and Instagram are fine. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Do we have an account for the Twister? That is
going to be an enormous ordeal? Is it the Twister
or Twisters?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
It'll just be twisters?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Okay, yeah, but Twisters comedy club or just twisters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Twisters comedy club and dance all hell yeah, but people
will probably just call it twisters.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You can make the tea into a Tornado.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
That'd be funny. Yeah, yeah, that'd be awesome. Say yeah,
that'd be sick. Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool to Yeah,
we'll have you there. You can help host some shows
and stuff. We could try some different concepts and just
toy with it until they until we find one that hits.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Wasn't necessarily my goal to have you on and like
try to sell you with me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
It doesn't matter. We need to find a way to
involve everybody who can be useful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I appreciate that you're more than welcome after this. I'll
give you my number and everything in exchange, and you're
more than welcome to Just hit me up and I'm
sure I will annoy the fuck out of you with ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
That's funny. Yeah. I tend to respond back in voice
note a lot. Okay, so yeah, just a heads up
and people don't like that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It is what I got a lot. I'm sorry, No,
I get it. I mean, just don't randomly FaceTime me
like Burt chriser Face everything. That's what Burt does. Guys,
go check out Aaron on Instagram, Facebook. He's funny. He's
not doing comedy. He's focusing on making this comedy club.

(01:03:24):
He is, Dare I say it the Joe Rogan of OKAC.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
That's a stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I'll leave that out, all right, guys, peace, Love you trotter.
How are you hey? I'm good? How are you good?
Welcome to the Healing Cast? Good? How are you hello? Marty?

(01:04:02):
Oh hey, buddy? What's up man? How are you doing next?
How are you doing? What's your real name? What's your
government name? That is my first question. I'm just gonna
go right off the bat and just JJ wood, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Longtime listener, first time guest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
You all have headphones now you're getting Yeah, great guy, Heley,
what year were you born?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Ninety seven? Ninety six?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
See alright, technically you're a nineties baby, but you missed
half of it,

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