✡️ “Jacob’s Trouble”: The Jews, the Antichrist, and the Final Redemption

✡️  “Jacob’s Trouble”: The Jews, the Antichrist, and the Final Redemption

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That was need to breathe and fallon me on your Celebration radio network at
twenty minutes after the hour and inthe studio with me, I have my
gang in here, pastor Ryan,John and Terry, Good morning morning,
good morning, your gang, Yeah, my gang, your pans, my
peeps. Yeah, yeah exactly.Yeah. And a lot happening this week

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in the Middle East and in ourown Senate and at the I don't know
if anyone else saw this. Iwas talking about this with John and Terry
before Ryan got here that President Bidenwas caught with a hot mic. Yeah
after his State of the Union.That was funny, and he was saying

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something about you know, Nott andYahoo happened to have a Jesus come to
Jesus moment. Jesus moment not thebest way to put it, No,
yeah, exactly. And then weget, you know, our US Senator
Chuck Schumer sparks strong ran action fora call on Israel to hold elections and

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replace that and Yahoo, I mean, when are we going to learn that
we can't tell other covernments? Wellnot just that, but but I mean
he's a he's a top level ofpoliticians, and yeah, he's also the
highest ranking Jewish politician in the inthe entire US. Yeah, I know,
and I'm well, I guess Ican understand why he doesn't like that.

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Yeah, well he's he's far left. Yeah, it doesn't matter for
Jewish or not yet. In fact, in fact, most Jews in the
United States probably lean a little bitcloser to the left side anti Israel,
because most Jews are are left isprogressive. Not my Jewish friends, but
I have quite a few in thein the US, you know, here

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in town, and you have severalrabbit quite you know, New York,
and and so it's you know,not all Jews, but for some reason,
a majority vote Democrat, and sothey end up being you know,
in essence anti is or just youknow, tell it like it is interesting.
But what's scary is is someone youknow, that high ranking in the
US government, you know, youknow, Senator right right, actually calling

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for now peaceful, peacefully right,but ye, the overthrow of another you
know, president that we're supposed tobe supporting right now in war times.
It's yeah, anyways, well,and then we have blank and saying that
Gaza civilians should be Israel's top priority, which I would imagine that that's how
they feel as well. And thenwe have Christians that rush to aid Israel,

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uh farm farms and farmers. Andthen there's so many headlines here Ramadan
with Israel, very with Israel's verysurvival at stake. Biden admin aims to
collapse that Yahoo government. That's athat's a head the same thing. And
so Blank is actually part of mein the administration in the White House.

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So so maybe would be considered higherranking than than you know, Chuck Schumer,
Adam Adam Schiff, Adam Adam,but yeah, same things. So
but it's interesting, I mean,Biden, President Biden's finding himself in a
pretty tep position here because he's gotto support Israel. He's got support he

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has to support you know, netYa who even if you know, you
know, kind of indirectly, butbut but yeah, at the same time,
they're they're you know, obviously againstthe net Yeah government. They have
been from day one because Who's veryfar right. He got along very well
with President Trump, right, verypolitical, and then they had they had
one of that yeah who's team well, I guess not really team, but

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part of his his government that isnot on the same side as Net and
yah who that was in you knowthat he came to the United States and
met with Biden and met with leadersin in our government Benny Gan. Yeah,
yeah, well he was, hewas actually actually yeah, he's actually

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run against you know. Yeah,that's what the Israeli government works though.
So you have a prime minister andhis party is in control, but he's
got a lot like London and itis it is like their parliament system.
Yeah, you have to form coalitions, even with parties that maybe you're in
complete opposition too. So that's that'snot unusual. And Gance, I'm sure
it's still working to try to getthat job for himself and right, and

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I think that actually is why allof this is coming up this week.
Yes, he was here last week, right, you know, so you've
got you know, some of thesestories that are headlining now because of that
visit. So the relation is therethat you can see, you know,
the writing on the wall that youknow that they're they're not that's politics,

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man, Yeah, yeah, that'show it works. That's why I don't
like it. Yeah, and I'mmajored in it. Yeah, yeah forbid.
Oh that's right. You have apolitical policy. Yeah, major my
focus, I know, and myfocus was was international relations. And it
was all because of you know whatwe do now with you know, with
with you know, studying the Timesand world government and all that. But

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but you weren't thinking about that though. We'll getting a policetic. You've got
your core courses that have to dowith all this, you know nonsense,
you know, yeah, the goodold political sciences. Yeah, yep,
yeah, yeah, everyone's going torun for You're going to run for office.
Weren't you run? I can runfor office. Yeah, please don't

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vote for me. Yeah, please, you don't want you don't want that.
I don't want that. Well,there's a lot happening in just keep
remembering to pray for Israel and youknow, God's they are God's chosen people,
like we've been talking about for thelast several shows here. Yeah,

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which is why we're looking at this, yeah exactly, Which is why I
try to bring things that are relevantto what is happening there for us to
talk about this first segment because itis so important and what's happening They're more
important what's happening in our country,that is what's happening there. Oh,
I mean always every every day fromfrom day one. Uh. And we

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say that as as believers and prophecyand the and the centrality, as Christians,
we should be focused on not onlyon what's happening here in our country
obviously, but we should be morefocused really on what is happening with Israel.
We should most as it leads throughscripture basically, I mean, you

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know, as they go, wego kind of thing. So the well,
not only that, but I meanthe United States has an incredibly important
role to play in the time story, I would say second only to Israel.
So Israel first, United States second, where the you know, only
real support of Israel in the entireworld, and that will be even more
so during the Great regulation the endof the Antichrist. So we we have

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a you know, very very critical, you know, key role. But
so yeah, for sure, prayfor the United States, pay very close
attention what's happening here, but alwaysthrough the lens of you know, how's
God looking at this, What's what'sGod's perspective, his perspective. Just like
you just said, it's Israel first, and we're supposed to do what we're
supposed to do, so and we'redoing it look, we're doing a radio

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show about it. That's a stepin the right direction. So yeah,
can we can we talk briefly aboutthe situation in Gaza, you know,
from a standpoint of you know,we want to really emphasize here always that
that we're not callous about it.You know, you know, this group
here is for you know, theseFinal Days radio program. What do we
call ourselves? But you know,I've said it, I think many times,

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you know, since all this started. But I've got I've got friends
in Gaza, Palestinian Muslim friends.I've been there, you know, spend
a few days there a few yearsback, and I've sent money directly to
one of my friends there, andI've sent money to an organization the guy
that I went in with, rightand he tries to help him. And
of course my wife and I donatedare donating a lot to Israeli right now.

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So it's it's this is very muchabout taking sides, but we're taking
God's side. Yeah. Yeah,And listen, Hamas is the most satanic
organization, I mean, maybe notthe most, but it's in the top
ten, right, and they've gotto be eliminated. So the point is
that, you know, of course, we love the people there, we
pray for them. We don't liketo see this one depth breaks God's heart,

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you know. Ye ever it isright, So so far, thirty
thousand people have have been thirty thousandGozzens Palestinians, right, have been killed
in this and people freak out andthe world's accusing Israel of genocide. Just
to put this in perspective, thereare two million Palestinian Muslims. There's there's
some Christians too, mostly Muslims livingin the Gaza strip two million. So

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thirty thousand is like one tenth ofone percent. It's it's it's point zero
one five percent of the population ofGaza. Okay, it's horrible, and
there's kids dying and all that.To put this in perspective World War two.
Who was the obvious, you know, evil entity on earth during that
time as the Nazis, right,right, Hitler? So uh third,

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thank you for not saying the Germans. Yeah, no, it's not a
married do German? I gotta becareful, yeah, and and you know,
and that's and that is an importantpoint though, was it? The
German people? Was the German generalthe Nazi Party was a very small percentage,
but we still had to go inthere and do everything we could do
take them out, because if youif we had a lot of Germany left
them in their lives because they weremisled and right right false, you know,

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false doctor, I guess the doctrine, I guess, yes, it
was, Yeah, it was,yeah, I mean he was you know,
he was king. So so pointzero one five Palestinians have been killed
in this current war. You know, between Israel and Kamas. Thirty percent
of Germans were killed during World Wartwo. One third of that thirty percent

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were civilians. So that means tenpercent of the of the German population were
killed during World War two because wehad to take out the Nazis. So
when righteous power goes up against anevil entity, innocent people die. It's
the evil entity's fault. I mean, Hamas did this. We can't blame

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Israel. And there's still one hundredand thirty Israeli hostages. It's been almost
six months now, about five anda half months, one hundred and thirty.
Imagine that in Gaza, they believethat they've taken them all down to
Rafa. That's the city on thevery very southern border. You know,
with Egypt. That's kind of likethe last stronghold, and it's not very

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good conditions. The evidence of that, thirty two of them have died so
far, so that's one hundred andthirty house. Thirty two have died.
So the conditions are horrendous for thehostages. So what should NETANYAHUO do?
Should do exact what he's doing,do not stop, you know, got
to get the hostages, try toavoid as many civilian casualti as you can.

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Kamas has to be eliminated, period. That's it. So there you
going. Sorry, didn't mean toget on my soapbox, sor ry.
I think I do that every showthough, So well, that's why you're
here. Yeah, that's why Idrink coffee, Give me the caffeine.
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and then the studio with Me,I, Pastor, Ryan, John and
Terry and our number eight hundred seventwo one nine, three one three Ezekiel
chapter thirty seven. Yeah. Right, so right where we left off last
show, which is it's been fourweeks now, right. We had to
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Yeah. So, yeah, sowe left off lash Out with Ezekiel
chapter thirty six. So we're we'rewe're really going through the entire Book of
Ezekiel here, which doesn't mean wordby word. It's a very very big
book. But we're looking for God'sultimate plan and destiny for the Jewish people.
And I don't mean replacement theology,like, hey, where the Jews
now right, I mean actually God'sWe mean actually God's Old Testament, old

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Covenant. Jewish people who did ay, you know, practice the Jewish faith
faithfully. They they don't know yetwho their Messiah is or mischiak. We
know him as Jesus Christ. Thata long time later. But but does
that mean that they're completely cut outand no. So, so where we
left off was so one thing aboutEzekiel. I don't think we've mentioned this
yet. About the first half ofthe book is is all you know,

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this is God's judgment. You know, God's going to send the Babylonians.
Ezekiel wrote this, you know,right around six hundred BC, you know,
a couple a decade or so beforethe Babylonians invaded. And actually I
take that back, it was overlapped. He started writing before the babylon invasion
and kept writing into Babylon, right. But so the first half is about

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you know, this is why thisis happening to you, you know,
the Jews, the nation of Israel. But about the last half of the
Book of Ezekiel is all eschatological.So it's chronological, very important point for
people to get. All the prophecystuff is chronological. So chapter three six
we left off. Clearly we're notgoing to go back and review it.

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Go back and listen to the podcast. Right we left off. We're at
the end of the seven year GreatTribulation and the reign of the anti Christ,
you know, Christ's second coming.This is how we understand it,
right, And so chapter thirty sevenpicks up right there again at the end
of the seven year great Tribulation andthe rein of the Antichrist, and who

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has our first verses? That wouldbe me. All right, let's do
it. Then he said to me, prophesy over these bones and stay to
them, Oh, dry bones,hear the word of the Lord, that
says the Lord God to these bones. Behold, I will cause breath to
enter you, and you shall live. And go and read that next verse.
I think I just told you,and I will lay sinews upon you,

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and will cause flush to come uponyou and cover you with skin,
and put breath in you, andyou shall live, and you shall know
that I am the Lord. Sowe're in a section in Ezekiel that in
my Bible write the Spirit Filled LifeBible, New King James version. That
section title is the Dry Bones Live. And we're talking during the break about

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you know, there's several songs theDry Bones, and we'll play that later,
right rattle. Yes. But it'sinteresting because most in times teachers actually
say that this is referring to whenIsrael became a nation again in nineteen forty
eight. It's actually not a Ilike that idea, you know, that's
nice, but that's not what it'sdescribing. So this is literally really describing

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the dry bones coming back to life, God putting you know, muscle and
flesh back on the dry bones,breathing life back into them. And again,
where are we in the timeline hereat the end of the seven years
pat tribulation? So what event arewe looking at here? The second?
Yeah? But what what's this specificevent that would be the resurrection? It's

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this is the resurrection of the righteousdead? What's so? What's so?
Right? Yeah? And you know, and we always it's it's a thing.
It is, it isn't. Hey, that's a critically important point.
This is one thing, second comingresurrection, rapture in that order. But
it's it's basically like the same event, right, But the resurrection that the
resurrection is is different from the rapturein what way? Bill? What's what's

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the difference between the resurrection and theworld those that are alive and remain right,
It's just that should be what shouldbe all of us, by the
way, right, Yeah, sowe're going to make to the end.
But yeah, so resurrection is allthose who are deceased in in in the
Lord that they're that they're raised,you know, physically to live against like

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Jesus was raised on the tomb,right, and then the rapture is just
whoever isn't dead yet we get transformedto we get our immoral bodies right.
Yeah that we're all looking and feelpretty good here, but it's going to
be nice to you know, getget a yeah, but so what what
what's what? What is so amazingabout about this? Though that we just
run We do have some more verses, but just real quick. So we're

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looking at the Book of Ezekiel prophesyingthe physical resurrection from the graves of a
certain group of people. So whatwhat's what's crazy about about this? What
we're looking at? Crazy? Butit's crazy about it? Crazy say the
whole thing. I mean, you're, well, who who is dry bones
coming back to life? Well,that's true itself is kind of crazy.

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That's really weird is the gate thatJesus is supposed to return through. They
made that whole area into a graveyard. Well, so that's that's what I
thought. That was kind of weird. You know, the dry bones coming
back to life, Well, well, the he's going to go through,
So it's all get it ripped up. Well, yeah, you're talking about
a solium. In the fifteen fortyone rebuilt the walls and the walls of
Jerusalm. Well, he sealed offthe eastern gate. That's where Jesus will

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come back from the Jews believe that. The Muslims believe that that Messiah,
whoever he is, is going tocome through that gate. So they planted
a cemetery in front of the wallthere because the Muslims the logic was,
well, no Massiah is going towalk through a cemetery, Okay, but
yeah right, it's like Jesus isnot afraid of dead body. It's going
to be raising. Yeah. Sonow now across the key Drone Valley came

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back. It was you know,in a graveyard. Yeah. And also
the Bible says it right after hisresurrection that there were there were Old Testament
saints or people. You know,we're walking on right now. But what
what group are are we reading about? Here? Is is this? Who
who is Ezekiel prophesying about here?The Jews? It's the Jews specifically,

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it's it's old Old Covenant Jews meaningJews today who are practicing the old Kevin
who don't know yet who Jesus isis that Israelis or Jews, because I
always get that confused because Jews arefrom Judah, but you still have all
the other tribes that of course wehave no idea where they're at, but
that whole thing, so it's kindof like, is it Israel, Yeah,

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the Jews, Jews? Jews isa catch all term because really,
yeah, you're right, the Tachyor first of Judah. But but we're
really talking about all twelve tribes eventhough lost, they'll come back. But
but but it's that, it's it'stalking about a religion and a in an
ethnic group and in essence a nationality. But today there is a distinction between

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Israelis and Jews in the sense thatthat you know, again, Jews are
the ones who practice Judaism or aregenetically Jewish, right, Israelis is just
a citizen of the nation of Israel, which actually includes a lot of Palestinians,
Palestenine Christians, Pealsonian Muslims and thenand then some other people to Drews.
Right, So yeah, yeah,that's an important distinction. Anyways,

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that that's what's so kind of kindof mind bogging. Crazy is the word
I use right about this prophecy isEzekiel. God through Ezekiel is specifically talking
about the Old Covenant Jews, Well, how are they going to get resurrected
when Jesus comes back if they don'teven recognize Jesus. So let's say,
for example, we have a Jewishfriend, let's say a Rabbi friend.

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Maybe he died, you know,a few years ago whatever. When he
died, he had not accepted Jesusas the Mashiak, right because he's an
Orthodox Jew. Right, this isjust hypothetical. I don't have any Jewish
friends who pass away yet. Butaccording to Ezekiel, the Book of Ezekiel,
he's going to get raised from thegrave when he comes back. Do

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you know across the Key Drone ValleyAnd when we say that's a little tiny
like brook, I mean it's wewouldn't even call it a valley here in
Arizona. But on the other sideof the Key Drone Brook is the Mount
of Olives and gigantic cemetery that datesback the time of King David. There's
one hundred and fifty thousand and graveson the Mount of Olives, biggest Jewish

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cemetery in the world. And andwe've talked about this before, I think,
but why do you think the Jewsthat's their number one spot, That's
where I want to be buried onthe Mount of Olives, do you guys
know? Because they know that that'swhen Yo is going to come. He's
when he comes, He's going toshow up on the Mount of Olids.
So you're going to be first inline to get resurrector from the dead.
So the Jews know this is aboutthem, and they're to this day they're

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anticipating that that that when Mushiach comesor as we as Christians understand, comes
back, it's like distinction there,right, that they're going to physically raise
in the graves. So so thisis this is cutting edge stuff here.
I mean, not that we everget controversy on the show, right,
but but we're going to get intothis, you know, as as our
study progresses, how that can bethat that even old Covenant Jews will be

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raised from the dead when the timecomes. Do you want to go to
some music in the look at somesome more versus when come back? All
right? Two nine three eight hundredseven one ninety three thirteen more with Pastor
Ryan, John and Terry in thestudio coming up in the next hour after
the news and weather and some moremusic. We'll get back to it in
the Ezekiel, chapter thirty seven.Here's Zach Williams with Rattle on Your Celebration

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Radio Network. Good morning, YourCelebration Radio Network. Good morning Bill,
It's Cande. Oh hi, Candace, I have question. Yes, So
I was listening a little bit tothe station here and what Terry was saying,
mm hmm, is no Ryan,Ryan that when we're speaking to the

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bones to wake up, this onlymeans for the Jewish people? Or can
we claim these scriptures for our deaddead? But walking around zombie family member,
Oh, that's a great question.Maybe maybe why address this on the
on the show and we go backon. But well, so, so
the the resurrection of the righteous deadat the end of the Great Tribulation,

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when Jesus comes back to earth,right, that of course is going to
include all all Christians. Okay,But the point we're making here is what
a bizarre thought that it also includesJews because most Christians would think, well,
they can't be resurrected, you know, they're they're not saved, and
so we're we're kind of like workingour way through addressing that. But I
like your idea. I think onehundred percent that anything in the scripture we

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can pray it in terms of youknow, from a spiritual standpoint, that
that's God's will. So that's Inever really heard that, but like like
you're you're living, breathing family membersspiritually dead. Yeah, I didn't hear
you the whole about the Christians andthe Jews. I didn't understand that part.
We bet we better make that clearwhen we come back, are getting
resurrected. Yeah, will clarify that. Six. I got that one in

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Green. I got it in penand Green, Easy kiel sty twenty six.
I will give you a new heart, a new spirit within you.
Yes, give you homes flesh.That's it. Yeah, yeah, we
wead that in the last show.Yeah, excellent, love it all right,
Candace. I got another call comingin, so thanks Candace. Yeah,
thanks for the call, Love you, Bye. Good morning your Celebration

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Radio Network. Well, good morning, Bill, how are you this morning?
Great? Lena? How are you? Oh? I'm doing wonderful.
I just wanted to share something withyou. My girlfriend, she's my age
and she's still working she's on herway to work now, and she just
loves you in the morning. Sheshared with me the other day when I
talked to her how much she's blessed. In the morning, the only time

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she can really hear kan LB,and she keeps it there all the time.
But coming home and going to work, she's so blessed, and she
really feels that this station is trulyannoyted of God, and she's just it's
thrilled, really thrilled with all ofyou. And her favorite song is Eye
Exalted by Bill Driscoll. And sheleaves about seven, between seven seven fifteen,

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she'll get to She works for adoctor's office, and I know that
she's going to be in tears whenshe comes to work. But I just
hope that these people that she helpsand waits on, you know, she
takes her temperature and all this stuff. But I just I just pray that
they'll just be Jesus in her becauseshe loves the Lord so much. She

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will. Yeah, she loves thatsong, so I just want to share
that. All right, Well,it's gonna play right after the weather for
her. So oh wonderful. Okay, thank you so much. You're very
welcome. Len, I'll get Ed'sfavorite onto. Okay, Yes, thank
you, you're welcome. I loveyou guys, We love you too so

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much. Bye, Yes, amazinglove you are my king. That is
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we were in that break, andyeah, Candace brought up a really good
point that we need to address.You said we were going to address it.
So what was the point? Idon't remember, you don't remember.
I remember, No, I'm kidding, So what what what did she say?
Do you remember? She was talkingabout how Ezekiel thirty six, twenty
twenty six was saying that, youknow, I'll give you a new heart,

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a flesh, and take out theheart of stone. And then we're
we were talking about in Ezekiel thirtyseven about the resurrection of the dry bones,
and she was like saying, well, is that just the Jews?
Or I loved her point about prayingfor since she had two points really yeah,
her relatives that were spiritually dead.That's a super neat idea. Yeah,
that you know that we all haverelatives that don't know Jesus. Yeah,

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and friends and friends and neighbors andand uh so yeah, I mean
how does that correlate with the scripturethat we were talking about earlier? Is
it just those that are actually deaddead that have been buried in you know,
in the ground, or is itcould be you know, spiritually dead.
Yeah, yeah, so I Imean anything like this, you know,

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this reveals to us what God's heartis, which is for people to
live. And in this case specifically, it means you know, physically at
the end of the great regulation,but of course you know spiritually first.
So so you know, great tobe alive physically, way more important to
be alive spiritually. So I lovethat. I mean, yeah, yeah,
Candace was her name, Yeah,Candace from so great idea use used

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Ezekiel thirty seven the Dry Bones liveand pray these scriptures over people who you're
you know, you're praying for theirsalvation, right right. So her other
point, so that's beautiful, Yeah, I love that. Her other point
was, what about is this justthe Jews? Yes, just the Jews
that are resurrected. Thank you forasking that. Yeah, I guess,
I guess I carry that point.Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. And

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I apologize everybody because when I'm teachingthis stuff, I'm always just kind of
assuming, O, everybody knows whatthis is. Right. So, so
into the seven year Great Tribulation,after the reign of the anti Christ comes
to an end. Uh, thenJesus comes back to earth physically. And
the first thing to happen according toFirst that's Onians chapter four and also Matthew
twenty four, et cetera, isthat is that those who are dead in

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the ground physically died, that theirbodies are raised from the dead and their
bodies rise up in the air tomeet Jesus in the air. And in
the meantime, their spirits have comeback with Jesus from heaven and they're rejoined
to their physical bodies. Right.So so there we're talking about Christians.
Those are those are you know,Christian believers, because of course any Christian

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who has died up to that point, their spirit is in heaven, so
they're coming back with jeans. That'sa book of Jude, Book of Enrach
even r et cetera, et cetera. The Jews, that's a little bit
different. Their spirits also have tobe reunited with their physically resurrected bodies.
But their spirits, Listen, We'rejust gonna tell like it is right because
they have not yet received Yes,Jesus as their Messiah, their Maia,

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their spirits, any deceased Jews,their spirits are not in heaven. But
that's a whole. That's a whole. Yeah, that is such a huge
can of worms. And you know, we're working our way in that direction.
Its phones starting to handle that canof worms up and again. Very
controversial, Like you know, wetalked about the rapture, that's controversial.
This is really controversial because this getsto the whole question of you know,

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who is saved and where. Listen, no one can be saved except by
Christ. No one can be saved, tells us no, There no other
way, no other name under heavengiven among men whereby we must be saved
the name of Jesus. So sothe Jews have a very unique relationship with

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God. We all know this rightthere. They are His chosen people.
So the way all this works forthem is a little bit different than the
rest of mankind. It's just theway that it is. So, so
for me, if if I ifI die and I'm in sin and I
haven't accepted Jesus, then then Idon't go to have and I go to
the bad part of what what theBible calls shield. So it's hades or

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hell, not the lake of firethat's later, right, right, But
but that's not the only place thata deceased, you know, spirit like
the spirit of a diseased person cango. There's also this is so why
are we getting into the side Idon't know. There's also a good part
of shield. Listen, it's soit's complex controversy. We're going to get
to this later in the meantime,Terry. Terry, you had a question

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about who gets resurrected. I didbecause I thought that everyone at the end
when Jesus comes back, that everyonegets through resurrected, some to life forever
with Jesus and some to judgment.Yes. So another really great question,
man, I love this. So. So there are actually two mass resurrections

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at the end of the age.The first one is the resurrection of the
Righteous dead that will include true Christians, and true Jews. Let's make that
distinction. Then a thousand years later, at the end of the Millennial Reign
is what's called the Great White ThroneJudgment. That's Revelation chapter twenty, and
then the Second mass Resurrection takes place. So this is a terrible thought,

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but even all the every unrighteous personwho's ever lived, they are resurrected from
the grace physically. Here's the point. Every human being who's ever lived will
spend eve forward forward. We'll spendeternity in a physical body, not just
spirit, but a physical your physicalhuman body somewhere either either in glory with

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Christ here on Earth, New Heaven, New Earth, Nu Jerusalem right ruling,
you know, ruling and rain inthe Kingdom of God, or at
that point the Lake of Fire.Yeah, and gosh, it's a topic.
Like just this last week, Ihad a pass or a friend down
to Tucson who's we're talking about this, and I'm like, you know what,
I hate this topic. Let's talkabout something else. Yeah, because
I I don't even want to thinkabout that. That that there, that

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there's a very very bad eternity forpeople who don't But everyone listening, just
don't go there. Just don't takethat chance except Jesus, right, Lord
and saviors exactly and follow God andbe filled with the Holy Spirit. And
you know, whether you pick asideor not, you are picking a side.
Yeah, you're gonna have You're gonnaend up something if you don't know
what it means to accept Jesus.Give us a call. Seven twee three.

(31:25):
We'd love to talk to you.Yeah, yeah, amen, Yeah,
very very important. Do you wantto read your verse real quick,
Bill, and then we'll go tosome music. Well, I have Ezekiel
chapter thirty seven, verses nine andten that says, then said he unto
me, prophesy, unto the wind, prophesy, son of Man, and
say to the wind, thus saiththe Lord God, come from the four

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winds, O breath and breathe uponthe slain, that they may live.
That was verse nine, and verseten says, so I prophesied as he
commanded me, and the breath cameinto them, and they lived and stood
up upon their feet in exceeding greatarmy. Okay, so two things we
want to hone in on here.So again we're talking about the Jews being

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raised physically from the dead when Christreturns and what you know. One thing
is in verse nine where it sayscome from the four winds. So that's
an ancient sailing term. We evenused that today, right meeting like the
four corners of the Earth. Thatmeans all around the entire planet. So
even though, like we said inthe last segment, the Jews prefer to

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be buried on the Mount of Olivesbecause they believe that's where the resurrection is
going to begin. They believe,we know that it's it's worldwide. Right.
The second thing is at the endof verse ten, an exceedingly great
army. So we want to thinkabout what that means. Why does why
is it called an army? Youknow, now Jesus is back, Antichrist
is defeated, and you know nowwe all live happily ever after, not

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not so much, not necessarily.We talked about this on the show before.
We're not gonna get into it now. But but it never ends.
There's there's always this ongoing eternal battlebetween you know, good and evil,
light and darkness. Whole other topic. Yeah, the biggest can of worms.
Ever, let's go to some music. Yeah, there you go.
Let's let's not even talk about it. Let's just got a music. Oh

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boy, right, yeah, it'strue though. One eight hundred seven two
one ninety three one three eight hundredseven two one ninety three thirteen. Good
morning, Domino's pizza. How canI take? How can I help you?
You just want? Yeah? Actuallyone of the arrow chicken sandwiches.

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That's really good. Oh yeah,So Rick true story. This morning.
We were saying, man, hopRick calls today. I did. Yeah,
exactly, Thank you Holy Spared foryou know you're calling to say something
nice, right, faithful listen,I have a curiosity question that's always been
before me, and it is whywas it necessary? Well, why is

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it necessary that the Christ should bearthe scars on his hands, feet inside
for all eternity? Yeah, becauseI I that is that has to be
true because when he said to theFather, we know that he still had
the holes in his hands because Thomas, yeah, yeah, and he saw
the disciples, so yeah, becausehe told Mary in the garden, don't

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touch me because I haven't been yetglorified, right, you know. So,
and then he revealed himself to thedisciples later and Thomas was actually able
to you know, touch him,touch him. So, I mean they
all were so there was a pointin between there that where he must have
you know, he returned and thencame back or yeah, because it doesn't

(34:42):
actually saylification had to happen. Sobut after the glorification, after the glorification
his hands and feet, we're stillstill scars. Okay, okay, Rick,
we give up. Tell us,Well, that is a question I
asked and I present did this toa number of people, and like that
past, I told you I don'twant this topic. I'm not going to

(35:05):
grow about that. No. No, I was the one who told the
guy in Tucson. Yeah, Igot the whole hell thing. Yeah,
you know, nobody wants to talkabout that topic. And and you know
how Israel was always sailing and hadto be reminded of who. And I'm
wondering, is that going to stilloccur in eternity And he's gonna pull up

(35:30):
his hands and say, listen,I paid the price, this is why.
Yeah, it's gonna be for aninstrument of of I don't remember his
sacrifice. Yeah. So there's there'sactually kind of an old joke and it's
not really a joke, but it'skind of a funny question. What's the

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only man made thing in heaven andthe answer being the holes in jesus hands
and feet. Right, Okay,I just googled it. Oh hell,
I know is we don't know?It's this article. It's from God's Word
dot org. Have you ever wonderedwhy Jesus kept his scars after the resurrection.
It's about the question he could haveeasily done away with them. The

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answer is simple and inspiring. Theyprove who he is, what he's done
for us and his eternal grace,Philip for us, his scars proved that
he's still got in the flesh becauseof his resurrection. Death couldn't take his
humanity. That's that's a good,that's probably, and hence the song by
casting crowns. It's called scars inHeaven, the only scars that are going

(36:34):
to be in heaven or Jesus.So what's interesting. I've never read the
Book of Google Me either. Yougot to watch out for the book probably
not theologically accurate, but it's thestarting point and the like the AI likes
to make changes. For what Ifound out that the AI makes changes the

(36:58):
things. So I'm trying that outto you guys. Maybe if you stud
I'm gonna think about that this thattopic. But that is interesting. But
if it's necessary to show those thatbecause of rebellion, yeah so I don't
chills rebelled in heaven. Yeah soI don't think that that anyone who is

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saved, you know, at thetime of Jesus return, are going to
ever rebel. I don't believe that. And yet that the book revelation is
very but this is what I startedto allude to in the last The book
Revelation is very very clear that evenall the way into the new Heaven New
or the New Jerusalem, which isthe rest of eternity, that there are
still it says, but sorcerers,murderers, idolaters are not allowed into the

(37:45):
Holy City. Right. That's thelast chapter of Revelations, second to the
last chapter twenty one. It's crazy. Yeah, so our thought that you
know, Jesus comes back, Kumbayahwas happy ever after, It just isn't
true. This bad between good andyou. Oh and by the way,
Satan is in the lake of fireat that time, so we can't blame
him anymore, right, Flip Wilson, your excuse, it's remember that maybe

(38:07):
do yeah, right, but nowI'll think about that. I mean,
the Bible doesn't say. Here's why. That's why I'm throwing it out because
it's an interesting question. And shewas if the Holy Spirit made me called
today as you requested, obvious,this is why I don't get the sandwich.

(38:31):
That's correct. I'm just praying aboutit. That's all right, John,
and Cherry brought me steaks. He'sgoing to prayerfully consider it. But
hey, the show's good, youguys, Yeah, real quick, I'm
going also, if I think ofit, I'm also okay. I will
also look at like the early churchfathers like Aaron as you know, Polycarp

(38:53):
whoever see if see if they commenton that, they might have so you
never's good. I'm surprised you wouldlead the book of Google. That's that
was Terry. Yeah, did youfind Polycarps writings? I have. I
have all the Polycarps writings that stillexist, but most of them were lost
to history. But Rick, wedo want to thank you for giving us

(39:15):
yet one more thing to think about, one more thing to think about,
because we really needed that. Youknow, there's many more things. Yeah,
it never doesn't end, that's athought, so yeah, worry about
it. And and I'm be curiousto see if there is any anything in

(39:35):
those books that I love it.Yeah. Interesting, Now you say you
have them, do you have themin book form or disc form? You
can. You can find all ofthe writings of all of the early church
fathers, which which in the Bookof Google are very very I'll tell you.

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I didn't think there was anything leftof Polycarp. That's so. I
was like, I thought all Polycarpwas lost. I was like, so,
so, Rick, you go toNew New Advent dot org and any
early church father that you want tosee everything that they ever wrote, you'll
find it their New Advent dot Org. I wrote that down, Okay,

(40:20):
okay, I will be visiting thatto uh also see if there's some revelation
before I haven't. And what wasthat? How do you spell polycops?
Yeah, polycarp it means mini fish. No, it doesn't really, stupid
joke, it's p O L yc A R P so polycarp right,

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And and he was he was literallythe the disciple of John the Apostle who
wrote the book Revelation. Yeah,yep, so late in John's life before
he passed. After your revelation.He keeps selected ignacious and Polycarp to teach
everything and that he knew because therewas there were false doctrines, of course,
false teachers. John's like, look, this is what all this stuff

(41:05):
means here, you guys pass along. So Polycarp intern chose Aaron Ais and
all of his writings we have,so so go on Amazon. It's called
Against Heresies. Yeah, the greatestbook it's ever. Yeah, it's huge,
but the great book, greatest bookever besides the Bible itself. So
that's really good. Yeah, interesting, interesting, Okay, well they should

(41:28):
challenge and uh so appreciate you guysdoing this and then visiting with us every
other week or so. And it'syou always seem to bring forth some topic
that, shall I say, challenges, Yes, yeah, you Rick God
bless Cochrane and Company with Parking Loton your Celebration radio network at sixteen minutes

(41:57):
at the top of the hour.My name is Bill and in the studio
with me as pastor Ryan, Johnand Terry and we've been going over Ezekiel
chapter thirty seven. And received anothergreat phone call and been actually a couple
right, yeah, yeah, acouple there. So I had several calls
this morning. Yeah, and welove when you call him. By the
way, it's great to get feedbackand know, yeah, someone's out there
listening and you know, yes,getting something out, and the questions they're

(42:20):
asking fantastic and amazing. So we'reactually getting close to the end of the
show Man the time times are havingone. So John's going to be really
upset if we don't let him readhis verse. So John, you're all
right, Okay, So we're stillEzeko thirty seven. We're looking at verse
twelve, thirteen, and fourteen here. So this one says, therefore prophesy
and say to them, Thus saysthe Lord God. Behold, oh my

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people, I will open your gravesand cause you to come up from your
graves and bring you into the landof Israel. Then you shall know that
I am the Lord. When Ihave opened your graves, oh my people,
and brought you up from your graves, I will put my spirit in
you, and you shall live,and I will place you in your own

(43:05):
land. Then you shall know thatI am the Lord. I've spoken it
and performed it, says the Lord. Excellent. Okay, So again God
is prop saying to his people's originalchosen people, Israel in the Book of
Ezekiel, and again he says,behold, oh my people. It's very
very specific here. So in thiscontext, who were God's people. It's

(43:29):
the Jews, the Jesus talking toI will open your graves and cause you
to come up from your grave.So here again, this is not symbolic
of the nation of Israel become anationgan as pivotal as that. Yea,
in history. Yeah, you cansee that. You can look at that
and say, you know, wewere dry out in the land, in
the wilderness, and we often comeback and formed, yeah, as a

(43:51):
nation and people. Yeah, andI could see that correlation where people can
think that and it's like Cannas's idea, you know, can we pray this
for like our spiritually dead, youknow, loved one so they come back
to life. Whatever. But butagain, you know, looking at the
chronology the Book of Ezekiel, youknow we're at the end of the seven
year Great Tribulation. This this isthe actual physical resurrection. That's that.
Yes, Jesus talks about Paul talksabout it, and yeah, it's I

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think it's great to apply to youknow, other other you know, ideas,
but this but this verbiage here,I'll open your graves and cause you
to come up out of your graves. It's just so so vivid and and
but this is the point, though, John, and and and like what
you say, you know, itsays, you know, God says,
and bring you into the land ofIsrael. Right, So so maybe we

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could say like Israel becoming a nation. And that's kind of like a type
and shadow, it's like like anarchetype. But the reason we see this
here because of course Jews, youknow, have been scattered around the whole
world. So when that resurrection happens, then all the Jews will be taken
back into the land of Israel,according to this prophecy, not Christians.
So we're wherever we are. Ithink we're going to remain spread around the

(44:58):
whole planet because some he has tolike help Jesus govern this place, you
know, during the morning alrain.It's true, that's that where kings and
priests. The Book of Revelation says, right, So, and I love
this in verse thirteen, not sorry, verse fourteen, how it starts.
It says, well, we readthat again, just the first the first
phrase in fourteen, I will putmy spirit in you and you shall live.

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That's literally the most exciting part ofthis whole concept because, right,
what do you guys think that means? It's the Holy Spirit? The Holy
Spirit? Yeah, that God,that God's promising the Jews, because that's
never been the case with the Jewssometimes. I mean there's like like little
moments. Even King Saul was brieflyfilled with the Holy spirits, was filled
with the Holy Spirit King David.But it's always just this like brief little

(45:42):
you know, interim time, right, But the full and dwelly of the
Holy Spirit, that that can onlycome after we accept Christ. Let's happen
on the day of Pentecost exactly.And this is God's promise to the Jews,
the Old Covenant Jews who today arepracticeeing Old Covenant Judaism, right,
that at that time that they're goingto get the full in dwelling of the
Holy Spirit. So, you know, very very exciting. Do we have

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time to read a couple more verses? Okay, so Terry, how about
if you drop down and this isand here again John, this is going
to show the full context, right, the chronology. So the next section
of this chapter in my you know, in the new king James. It's
called one kingdom, one king.Hello. Yeah, So Terry, what

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does she read verses twenty one throughtwenty three, just the second, so
it's Ezekiel thirty seven one through twentythree. Then say to them, thus
says the Lord God. Behold,I will take the people of Israel from
the nations among which they have gone, and will gather them from all around
and bring them to their own land. And it will make them one nation

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in the land on the mountains ofIsrael. And one king shall be king
over them all. And they shallno longer be two nations, and no
longer divided into two kingdoms. Andgo ahead, read the next verse,
verse twenty three. They shall notdefile themselves anymore with their idols and their
detestable things, or with any oftheir transgressions. But I will save them
from all the black backs lightings inwhich they have sinned, and will cleanse

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them. They shall be my people, and I will be their God.
So so here again we see sayagain that's one of those, because it
wasn't the Kingdom of Israel split intothe Northern Kingdom. Yeah. It literally
says here, you'll no longer betwo nations to be one nation. So
even to this day, so whatwere the two nations the kingdom split and
King Solomon's ill. Remember, soit's the Kingdom of Judah in the south

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and then the Kingdom of Israel inthe north, which was the ten lost
tribes. They are still lost tothis day. They still have not returned
to the land, right, Soonly the Kingdom of Judah, the Southern
Kingdom, which was the Tribe ofJudah, the tribe of Benjamin and some
of the Levites, some of theLevites because they were there managing the temple.
Uh, they are the only onesback in Israel. Now when Israel

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became a nation back in nineteen fortyeight, that was only the Southern Kingdom
of Judah that came back. Sothe promise here is both kingdoms will come
back and be under one kingdom.Right, So this is askatological again you
can kind of apply it to Itstarts the process. So for sure,
I mean, my gosh, isthat in time stuff and terry. What

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does this mean? Though it saysone king shall be king over them all,
it would be Jesus. Again,I thought she was going to say
that in Yahoo. Go don't saythat to Chuck Schumer man let's called Chuck
Schumer will be a guest on theshow, but it'll be their one true
king. So Daniel chapter nine,verse twenty four to seventy weeks prophecy,
and they shall anoint the most holyright finally receive Jesus King. And in

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that same prophecy Daniel nine twenty four, describing you know the seventy weeks,
you know that all of history leadingthe very very end, it says,
I will bring an end to transgressionand enigma. And we even see that's
in there word right here in versetwenty three. It says they shall not
defile themselves anymore. That means thisis eternal. Here, this is eternity,

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and that's never been the case brischological, nor with any of their transgressions.
It actually uses the words so hereagain we are clearly looking at the
end of the seventieth week, theend of the seventieth Great Tribulations. This
is after the end of the reignof the Antichrist. This is the return
of Yeshuah Hamashiek Jesus the Messiah toor physically. And this is a prophecy

(49:30):
specifically for the Jewish people. Sodoes God have an ultimate plan for the
Jews? Yes, not out Yes, I know they rejected Jesus and mass
two thousand years ago. That's notalways going to be the case. We're
going to see more scripture as ourshows continue, right, But God's ultimate
plan is that is that. Listen, this is Romans chapter and this is
Paul talking. In the end,all Jews, all Israel will be saved.

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So today, with what's going onover there, which side are you
on? Whether you pick a sideor not, you're picking a side.
You better choose the right side,which is which is more specifically God,
Jesus, God's side, jesus side, right, which is the nation of
Israel exactly. So you know,pray for the war to end swiftly.

(50:15):
Pray for innocent lives to be spared. We're in a war. I mean,
this is what happens. It's beentrue since Adam and Eve did their
thing. Yeah, blame them ifyour man enable start, Yeah, blame
our parents. I just I justlove how we've gone through this Book of
Ezekiel and looked at Daniel, becausehow many times have you gone through read
the Bible and you try to putit in context you can understand, right,

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and you're like, okay, wellthat was when they became a nation.
Yeah I can see that, orno, that was from back then,
but that doesn't make sense because thishasn't happened yet. So the whole
thing of looking at it, andyou know with that big word schatologically,
that's the word my tongue got twisted. Yeah, so looking at that,
it's partially then and partially future,and just how it makes much so much

(51:00):
more sense. Isn't this fun andfulfilling? Oh it's great. It's kind
of kind of heavy for Friday morningradio show. We're talking about that,
right, because I've gotten music andnews and but but this is this we're
you know, we're talking to ourspirits or this is God talking to your
spirits and and he wants to revealmysteries to us and and edify us with
his order. Ye. So ifwe've got people thinking about all this stuff

(51:22):
and the end times, then youknow we're doing we're fulfilling our calling.
Yeah yeah, yeah. We alwaysread the New Testament for that, and
now it's like, oh, it'sright there in the Old Testament. Look
at that. Yeah, it's amazingamazing stuff. It all leads to the
new exactly. It's so much ofus repeated in the new. It's still
there, is it? Seriously?Eight o'clock already, it's I see kind

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