Part 1: What is the destiny of the Jewish people in these final days? ✡️

Are the Jews still God's Chosen People? Are they still in covenant with God? What is the ultimate destiny of the Jewish people, and how does this fit into the End Times story?

Episode Transcript

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Gentlemen, have you ever seen anyof their concerts or videos on YouTube or
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presc Yeah. In fact, Brianand Tracy you know from from my church,

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they went and saw them, sowent the concert pretty wild. We
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yeah down in Glendale An Yeah,incredible that it was so oh yeah,
Christmas time, isn't it? Yes, it is Christmas when it's like three
days away now, So yeah,we're Sunday. Can't believe it. If

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you haven't bought your presence at you'rebetter get out ready or not. Here
you go guilty. I got myhand right because well in the studio with
me this morning, if you haven'tguessed already, as Ryan, John and
Terry, good morning, Yes,good morning guys, and we we have

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well since October seventh, we hada lot to talk about gosh in the
news and and uh, what's beenhappening in the Middle East? And I
came across this article that I sentto you guys on I think it was
Wednesday. Israel close to war withHesbela and lud Lebanon and you pastor Ryan

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and John, we're talking about whatwe should be talking about for our next
show, like the week before,I think John yeah sent me, I
think two weeks ago. Two weeksago, he sent you something and uh,
you came up with this topic thatwe're going to talk about today.
And then you asked me, well, what are we going to open with?

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And I said this to you andand so this this, uh,
this whole this whole thing, theatrocities that have been committed in uh Gaza
and elsewhere, what they're finding there. They just I got this other article

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the idf uncovers Hamas underground command centeras Iranian proxies set up attacks. Now
this is not in the news.I haven't heard anything about this. You
you you won't not very much.Yeah, in fact, except for CBN.
I mean that's where I got thisarticle from. Right, and same
for you know, Israel close towar with Hesbela and Leven Lebanon. Yeah,

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and the growing pressure that's on Israelfor another piece treaty with p Yeah,
yeah, you know, ceasefire toexchange, right, And that's not.
What we're saying in the Western pressis pressure on Israel. You know,
they're saying, you know, sometwenty thousand people now have been killed
in Gaza, which of course isis you know, tragic. Israel has

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no choice in this situation. They'vegot to take out Amas. And well,
if they don't, then they're theones that are going to be This
is going to tragic because they're alldead, exactly. And here we go
with another Holocaust kind of situation.So and the and there's a there's a
gigantic moral distinction. I mean,it couldn't be more black and white between

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Israel and Hamas. And that's whatthe you know, most of the world
is losing sight of. You know, they try to equivocate it, and
you know, well, you knowit's only twelve hundred Israelis and millions of
leaflets, you know, to letpeople know that they're coming. I mean,
they real to do that, yeah, I mean, I mean,
true story, Israel and the historyof mankind, no other no other nation

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to this day has done more totry to save civilian lives in a situation
like this. So they drop leaflets, they they they actually provide cell phone
service for the gods Israel. That'sfree okay, Yeah, I don't get
free cell phone service, right,No, And and they use that to
to notify all the gods that theyactually call them on the phone. Yeah,
Hey, getting ready to invade yourneighborhood. Please get you know,

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you and your family get out,and then blocks of civilians from leaving.
I know all this firsthand. I'vebeen to Gaza. I've heard the stories.
I have a friend who's in Gazaright now. One of my friends
I made, you know when Iwas there, you know, years ago.
He was our driver around you know, the Gaza strip, and he
confirmed this, you know, Israel, they try to get the civilians out,

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and then that you know, thefamilies they start to move south out
of Gaza City and then there's Hamaswith their guns telling them we are going
to shoot you and kill you ifyou don't turn around and go back.
They used their own civilians for humanshields when they went into Israel. They
targeted civilians, did unthinkable things.I mean, the stuff happening in the
twenty first century. The they're isisyou know all over again, right Israel.

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On the other hand, yeah,civilians are getting killed. It's war.
There's been no war in the historyof you know, humanity, including
wars fought by America where a wholebunch of civilians you know, don't get
killed. Right, that's just partof warfare. But Hamas drew first blood
in this situation. We could godown the list, I mean, be
a whole shell one to itself.You know everything Israel's done since it's before

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its inception. So the last hundredyears Israel trying to be a nation again
in this world. No other countryhas been over backwards like Israel has,
just to try to have peace.You know, they gave the Gaza Strip
to the Palestinians back in two thousandand seven. They had settlements there,
their Israeli families there. There's videosof the IDF there kicking out Israelis from

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Gaza. You know they're crying,you're making them leave our homes. Right
because Israel said, you know what, we're going to give it to the
Palestinians. And the deal was landfor peace. We'll give you the Gaza
Strip. You guys, you know, self governed, We just want peace.
Right. Within two years, thePalestinians had voted in Hamas, whose
nineteen eighty eight charter says our solepurpose for existing is to eliminate the nation

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of Israel and murder every Jew onplanet Earth. That's their purpose for existing.
So why is this happening? Yeah, anyways, don't get me going
to Yeah, well, according tothis article, they came close, or
they're getting closer, i should say, on Wednesday, to all out war

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with Lebanon based. Yeah, sothey're going to be fighting on two fronts
and uh, you know, Iranand is backing them, and the hostilities
have escalated. According to this article, they've they've fired more than one thousand
different types of ammunition, rockets,missiles, drones, mortars and all of

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that towards Israel. Since this isthis is just since October eighth, right
exactly. They're using what happened,you know in Gaza. What's happening right
now is that pretext. They figure, Hey, the IDF, they're tied
up down in Gaza, and now'sour chance to attack in the north.
And everybody has to keep in mindthis is not like two entirely separate you
know circumstances. So we have Hamasin the South Palestinians, right, you

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know, we won our freedom youknow, from the river to the sea,
which is code speak for eliminate thename of Israel. Right, But
Hamas and Hezbela are both proxies ofIran. So we hear Hamas, the
Palestinians, Hesbla Lebanon. Listen,this is all Iran. It's Iran,
one hundred percent. They're the ones, you know, orchestrating this. They're
not sending in their troops yet.That's the Battle of Armageddon, so that's

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coming soon, right, Yeah,so that's how this is all going to
culminate, you know, eventually.But these people are just cannon fodder.
Iran could not care less about thePalaestinian people. They consider them mongrels.
And donas I hear it. Youknow, you guys know I've been over
there a lot. I've got friendsall over the place over there. And
that's the story is that, youknow, the Palasindians, you know,

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they're not even real Arabs, youknow whatever that means. So yeah,
but Iran, they're pulling the strings. They're they're in man, We're in
the entire listen, and that thatis the end time story. Remember we
said this quite a bit on thisshow and elsewhere. Right. Uh that
that the end time story is thenation of Iran. It's called Persia in

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Bible prophecy right back in the antiChrist who comes out of Syria and northern
Iraq really bet out of Syrias whereaspower base is, and and then ultimately
who's back in Iran? And thisgoes all the way to the end.
The Millennial Rain is the nation ofCome on, guys, gog May gog
Oh, Russia, Russia, Russiaexactly. And it's precisely what we're seeing

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today. So are we in theend times? This this is such a
obvious you know, come on,mark Er. So well, we're going
to continue talking with Pastor Ryan Johnand Terry or Terry in Yeah. The
first time I called that, Inever heard that. Their dog cake,

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Yeah, the famous cake. Ilove his Christmas picture by the way,
Oh, I saw that yesterday.We'll be back with them here coming up
in a little bit, and we'regoing to talk about what are some examples
of prophecy in the Bible that willnever come to pass? I guess this
is this is the New Testament.In fact, let's get the audience thinking

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about this. So, what aresome examples like Bill just said of prophecies
in the Bible that will never cometo pass. And you know, I
want one example from each of youhere, so there's forbest in the studio,
and then if the listing audience canthink of any so you know,
something in the Old Testament, somethingthe news, some Bible prophecy that that
will never come to pass. Okay, okay. One eight hundred seven two

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with how many Kings coming up nexton your Celebration Radio Network. Eight hundred
seven two one nine three one three. Good Friday morning. Wow. That
is for King and Country going outby requests for Terry this morning, and
they have. You guys got tosee him live and concert when they were

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here in the Phoenix area. Anduh, actually I think Elijah's mom and
dad went to the concert too,So yeah, that was great, Oh
my gosh, it was great.Yeah. There was also a state rep
from Celebrate Recovery that went from thePhoenix Press Cut area that was down there
too. Oh coo wow, yeah, Bill, you said Tony and Andrew
went down to I think I justsaid something about that's what they think,

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right, yeah, Sarah, Ibelieve bought the tickets for their Christmas present.
I'm on Facebook. I'm not.Did I just say that live on
the air. I did. Ihope they I hope they went right.
Or maybe it's for a different Yeah, we didn't just ruin the surprise a

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thousands of listeners. I'm sorry,Andrew, Yeah, yeah, if anyways,
but yeah, so that that concertwas. You know, they another
one of those groups that you reallywant to see live. Yeah, kind
of thing, kind of like theNewsboys. You know those are I think
one of the two Mercy Me maybeand Crowns, but yeah, definitely for

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King and Country and and the Newsboys. You want to see lives, especially
the Newsboys because you know, yeahone other point drummer on that. Uh
you know, yeah, it goesupside down and everything is crazy. Wow.
Yeah yeah. King of Country alsohas a movie coming out. They
do Ye unsumt Heroes. Yeah.Yeah, yeah, it's very cool.

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We got that. We actually gotto preview the movie. Oh really,
yeah, they actually let us gointo a pre screening, so we got
to see that. Is it goingto get in the theaters or theater it's
going to be the Yeah, that'shappening more and more, you guys film.
It is a really really good movie. I must see and take Clean
next, Yes, don't take clean? Yeah, fantastic, All right,

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I think I heard a little bitabout it. It talks about as one
of them. I can't remember ifit's Joel or or it's their story.
His wife was addicted to drugs andthat's where burn the Ships comes in and
yeah, so there. Yet it'sactually not about that. It's about their
their family growing up and how theycame to the States. And Rebecca Saint

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James. Yes, yes, yes, because that's their their sisters, which
I didn't know until I see youdidn't. We didn't know that until we
saw the music. Yeah. Way, I've seen her in concert and actually
it was before for King and Countryeven started, and I think they were
actually there at her table with theCDs. So't I'm trying to remember if

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that was them or if it wasyou know, some other young boys that
were helping her. But yeah,so pretty cool stuff, yes, and
speaking of really cool stuff. Tryingto filibuster here we are trying to about
question. Don't have an answer forthis? Well, actually, actually we
do have an answer. We dowell let's let's ask the question again,
what are some examples of prophecy inthe Bible that will never come to pass?

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And that to get Terry, what'safter that on the slide? If
it's well, but it's on theslide, yeah, because I say the
Old Testament Old Testament tent one example. And my initial thought was, if
it's Bible prophecy, it has tocome true. So you can't think of

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any you know. And okay,yeah, so Terry doesn't get the thousand
dollars prize. I didn't mention theprize, did Yeah, no, it
didn't. Otherwise google this whole time. Right, Actually, I believe Terry's
right. If it's prophecy, ithas to come to pass. John,
Yes, I'm going to be atiebreaker here. Yeah, I'm in the

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same boat. Okay. So Ijust I don't really have anything. Yeah,
you can't think of anything, okay. So so this is interesting.
So you know, we've all beenbelievers for many, many years, decades
whatever, right, we're all Ithink students have of not just the Bible,
but but Bible prophecy in particular,which is why we do the show
together. And and I didn't giveyou guys a lot of time to think

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about this, But that's kind ofa cool question, right, Yeah,
I mean, the Bible is avery very big book. Lots of little
books making up the book, right, sixty sixty six spanning you know,
you know, a couple fifteen hundredyears, yeah, right, of different
writers, and and lots of Bibleprophecy. In fact, this is true,

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over seven thousand of them in thosesixty six books. Every single book
from Genesis to Revelation actually includes somekind of not just prophecy, but in
times prophecy. So we know thatthere were tons of prophecies about Jesus coming
in the flesh, you know,when he first came, you know,
to his merry Christmas. Right,that's what we're still bringing from Genesis all
the way through. But every bookof the Bible actually includes prophecy literally about

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the end times, the times we'reliving now. And and you guys are
all saying, you can't think ofany prophecy in the Bible that never came
to pass or will never come topass, because even those that were still
waiting to come to pass. Wesee all the science we just talked about
this in the first segment the wargoing on right now, the two wars.
It's strobably one war brewing, youknow, with Israel right now.
And and uh and yes, okay, so you're all right, which doesn't

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mean you get the thousand dollars togive me a scripture, which you can't
do, right So, so butI like the scripture that you have on
this on this slide here of AmieWell, so pop positive. I think
that's where you're going. This iswhere we're going. So let's so,
so let's set up the context.So why why would why would we start
the show with this question? Anduh? So Bill mentioned briefly in the

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prior sigement that about three weeks ago, John here in the studio, one
of the co hosts on the showhere right, uh, sent me an
email and he actually this is howI read your email. Was was like
concerned, like how do we respondto this? And so what what what
is this big question that's out thereright now that even you're getting asked,
I mean I'm getting asked. Isthere if you read like in Romans he

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says, there's no more Jew orgentile or he calls him Greek, no
more Greek. There's no male normale or female, that all have to
come to Christ. Right, Soa lot of people are so what's yeah
to be said? So what's thedistinction between Israel and anybody else? They
still have to accept Christ? Sowhy is this a question right now?
Though? Why are we asking about? You know, because what are we

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asking you know, Jews? Imean, are they saved? Are they
going to be you know, ifthey're not saved, if they're never going
to be saved, then then thisand what's the context here? This nightmare
happening over in Israel? Right?So a couple thousand Israelis have been killed,
probably twenty thousand Palestinians, and mostof the world now is starting to

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turn slowly and some on day onecompletely against Israel. And this question comes
up, you know, should Christians, we as Christians, should we really
be supporting It's a heart it almosthurts like coming into should we really be
supporting Israel? The Jewish people?I mean, my gosh, they're not
saved? Are they rejected Christ?Are the Jews? Are the Jews?

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Listen? Huge question right now,I'm getting it everywhere from every angle.
Are the Jews still in covenant withGod? Are they still got chosen?
People. Should Christians be supporting Jews, because because when we see it over
there, I mean, who wassaying before the show about fifty percent of
Oh, there was a poll recentlytaken in the US of young people in
the United States. There was apoll and I said, fifty percent think

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that Israel should just be wiped out. Yeah, yeah, that Israel should
cease to fifty of American college students, and then as you get up into
the higher age brackets that that numbershrinks, you know, quite a bit,
of course. But but this isour kids. These are the ones
who are going to be running thecountry in a few years, right,
God help us. Yeah. Yeah, but but but look at look at

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the direction that and you know whatthis ultimately means is is tell like it
is, man, this is genocideagainst the Jews. Tell me, tell
me what. Here's another trick questionfor you one other ethnic group, or
religious group, or nationality, whateverhowever you want to couch it on this
earth. Would you see college studentsin America calling for or genocide against them?

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Or oh gosh, yeah, Isee the answer I was thinking of
it was none, right, right, yeah, but you know, like
you know, you're not going tohear that about you know, any other
race or whatever. Right, sowhat are we seeing here? We're seeing
the spirit. It's it's Nazism allover against the spirit that drove Hitler,

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which is the spirit of Antichrist.No other way to explain it. But
it's a serious question. I mean, really, listen. I have a
Christian friend of mine and I'm definitelynot going to name names, approached me
and planned fitness. You know,a couple of weeks, a few weeks
ago, right, boy was hemad and he was like using language that
I thought, Okay, I didn'tthink Christians talk this way. Very mad
at Israel. Why are we supportingIsrael? Why are we supporting the Jews?

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They did this, and they're this, and all the conspiracy theories and
Jews are running the world and allthis stuff, even to the point of
the president of the synagogue here inLake Havasu. I go over and have
breakfast with them every now and then. Right, I'm invited tomorrow. I
think, Berecas, they're so goodman. And he and I have been
going back and forth because he saidthat he has a Jewish friend, a

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lady who when she goes into work, there's there's a Christian there who keeps
confronting her, telling her, youguys aren't the chosen people anymore. God's
rejected you. Really, as Christians, we don't support Israel. We don't
support you. So even even thepresident of the Synagoguekaren Hasu, is having
questions, which is amazing because it'sgiven me a chance to say no,
because Paul actually says this in Romanchapters nine ten. Elemen, here's what

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the Book of Revelation says. Sothis is the you know, the Holy
Spirit used this as a chance forus because their word there Torah doesn't have
the New Testament in it. Right, No, they don't believe in the
New Testament. They don't know theyin fact, they Jews. The Jews
in this respect are a lot likeChristians. They're they're supremely ignorant on stuff.
Christians are too, okay, butbut the Jews are really ignorant about

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what the New Testament really says becausebecause they just believe what they're Christian friends
at work say, which is,you know, the New Testament, you
know, teaches against the Jews,and the Jews are rejected now and all
that. Listen, we got totackle this Okay, So if you ever
listened to our show, they knowthat we get into some serious stuff here.
We like to stir the pot.This is all for the glory of
our Father and his kingdom and hiswill, not about our will, not

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about our thoughts. So I wantto say, right now, they are
His chosen people. Yeah, yeah, let's let's not yeah, let's right,
thank you. Let me take awhole show to get to that point.
They're His chosen people, right theythey they are, and they are
still in covenant with God. Now, now us saying this, I know
why we're saying this, why Ihave the bat bill. Good, good
call. But but even what wejust said is going to offend a lot

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of Christians because, like John saying, but wait, they reject christ You
know, my synagogue president friend herein town, him and his wife,
they don't believe that Jesus is theMessiah. They absolutely don't. We talk
about this, right, No,But I like what you you tell your
Jewish friends that we're all, youknow, looking for and waiting for the
Messiah's return with the Sassi. Wejust disagree on who he is and what

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his name is. Yeah, youknow, right now, I have had
that conversation with full Orthodox rabbis inIsrael in Jerusalem. Right, these guys
are friends of mine, and Imean full Orthodox rabbis, And they laugh,
They just they think that's a really, you know, interesting point,
right, my Jewish rabbi friends herein Habitsu. There's been two main rabbis

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in Habitsu so far, Rabbi rosenbambYou guys remember him, and Rabbi Jared.
He's been on the show. RabbiJared's been on our radio show a
couple of times. Right. ButI remember Rabbi Rosenbaum when I first met
him back in twenty twelve after myfirst trip to Israel, went to his
house and he and he said,you know what, you're welcome here.
And he was actually trained at theDiaspora Yeshiva in Jerusalem. I've been through
two and he said, you andwe can be friends and get to know

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each other, but don't ever saythat name in my house. What name?
What did he mean? Jesus seesusof course, right within two years
of me of the two of ushanging out and talking getting to know each
other, right, going out topizza, dygether all the time and all
that, and I was going allthe time to the synagogue for different events,
and we were in a tourist studyat the synagogue. His congregation full

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on Jews, right, even someOrthodox ones, and these words came out
of his mouth. He said,and someday Messiah is going to come,
and who knows, maybe it willbe Jesus. Not only did like he
actually say the name himself, wow, but he said it in the synagogue
too, is congregation saying. Andthen during during a service, during a

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teaching and and they were all,they were all okay with that. You
know, it's coming from the Red. This is the Holy Spirit at work
with the Jewish people. So RabbiJared same thing. When I first met
him, he was given a speechat the synagogue, introduced himself, and
I could tell, no, thisguy doesn't like Christians. He's he's you
know, he's typical thing, right, and and you know, us versus
them, that's the human race.And and you know, I could tell

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he's like, you know, notinto you know, Jesus, and don't
talk to him about that. Right. Within a year or so of he
and I being friends, getting toknow each other, like I said,
he's even on our show sometimes herenow right, we are driving to the
synagogue one morning and he said,he said, he said, yeah,
you know, I know Massias comingone day and he said, you know
what if it turns out that itis Jesus, he says, I'm cool

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with that. I'm okay with that. This listen, that may sound like
a small thing, that's huge.So we need to answer this question.
Yeah, there's a lot of alot to cover, but I just I
want our audience to really open theirhearts up, their spirits up, and
I just I thank you Holy Spiritfor for annoying all of us for this
topic. Because there is no moreimportant topic in these last days than what

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we're getting read to talk about here. So yeah, I probably need to
go to some music for ust wedo, okay. One eight hundred seven
two one nine three one three eighthundred seven two one ninety three thirteen.
Francesca Battistelli with Messiah up next onYour Celebrations Radio Network. JJ Weeks with
Even in the Manger on Your CelebrationRadio Network. The number here again is

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eight hundred seven to two one ninethree one three seven ninety three thirteen.
Pastor Ryan John and Terry are inthe studio with me this morning. Good
morning, gang, good morning.And we were trying to find a Bible
prophecy in the Bible that will nevercome to pass. And it was a

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trick question. Yes, everyone,everyone failed that one. Yet because there
is no such thing. We passedit. Then, yeah, we passed
it out back there. Okay,you know what you got me? Okay,
so you guys all win. Iyou a thousand dollars, that's right.
Remind me later, not any moneyor yeah, when we get to
have it, and I'll give you, like some of my jewels should have
three. So all right, butyeah, that is the right answer is

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of course, there are no propheciesin the Bible that are not going to
come to pass. If God saysit, it's it's going to happen.
Okay, that that's it. Soso and we're settles it. Yeah,
that settles it. But this isin the context of this incredibly important question
right now and and particularly in thisyou know context that we live in,
which is the last of the lastdays Israel. I mean, you know,

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the Jews, what do you mean, They're still in covenant with God.
There's still God's chosen people. Buttwo thousand years ago the Jews and
mass We're talking about the Jews asa people, right, because that's what
the Bible talks about when it talksabout the Jews is the nation of Israel,
the Jewish people, that the oldKevenant people, right, they rejected
christ you know, two thousand yearsago. So as Christians, and listen,
this isn't new. I mean fortwo thousand years Christians have been you

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know, having this debate and havingthese you know, internal struggles, and
well they did it with Paul andyou know, I mean Peter and John
and James and I mean, wellwe know this question and all the all
the New Testings. True, theywere criticizing each other. You know,
your Juda Eyzer, you know,we shouldn't require circumcision all that, right,

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So it really gets tricky as asmere humans, you know, you
know we we we definitely don't thinkas highly as God thinks, right,
our brains are we that yes,God's ways are higher than our ways.
But it's really easy for us tothen get off into the US versus them
mentality and uh, now the Christiansare God's chosen people, well we are,

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but that doesn't erase the Jews beingGod's original chosen people and still God
chosen, They're still you know Jesus. Yes there they all said that we
are grafted in as Christians. AndPaul was a Jews. So but he's
just Jew. He was a Pharisee, which is why the Jews today really
despise Paul k k. Jews ingeneral, they despise him. That's that's

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like the culture because they, youknow, a trader exactly. He's a
turncoat. He was. He waslike an Orthodox rabbi and he you know,
turned again, you know, turnedthe create and then he because what
they think. I literally just hadthis conversation a few weeks ago with Stan
the local president of Sydicau. Hewouldn't mind me saying his name on the
air, you know, he lovesthe stuff. But but but I just

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said to them and said, youknow, Christians have put that out there
that Paul like turned against the opposite. Is true Paul, and we're going
to get into it as we gotthrough our study. But Paul was so
supportive of the Jewish people, theOld Covenant Jews, and he had something
to say about the Jews that isgoing to surprise a lot of Christians.
Because over the centuries, Christians havetried to take it from them. Okay,

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you know we have that role.Now we're the chosen people. You
guys, rejected Christ you're out.You know, we're in covenant with him
now you're you know, the oldcovenant that got canceled when Jesus died on
the cross. Right, And sothis thing sprung up that we call replacement
theology. John mentioned earlier, Terry, what's what's replacement theology? What do
you think that is? It's somethingabout the Church or Christians replacing the Jews

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in covenant with God. That's it, as God's chosen people. Okay,
yea. And of course this makesthe Jews, you know, really irked
with the Christians. That draws moredivision between us. And it's not just
is you know, oh gosh,they're trying to steal our role. That
makes this man. It's because fortwo thousand years, the Jews have been
the subject of extreme persecution like noother group. They're always the target of

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genocide, just like today people,you know people, and you know,
when I was in New York City, there's this huge rally calling for the
genocide of the Jews, right,so you know, it makes you kind
of touchy, makes you look alittle bit like on edge. Right.
So one thing that God's called metoo in this ministry these final days is
to fight everything I've got against that, against that mentality that that in these

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times were called as Christians to beone with the Jewish people. Okay,
so let's start with John. Whatwhy don't you why? Actually, Bill,
you said you liked this scripture.So what can you read that scripture
for us? It's Amos nine fifteen. It says, I will plant Israel
in their own land, never againto be uprooted from the land I have
given them. Now listen, Sothis is the prophet Amos. They call

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it this maybe thousand years before before, Yeah, about five, five hundred,
six hundred year right in that range. Yeah, about yeah, four
or five hundred years before Christ theProphet Amos. Yet during the you know,
Babylon Babylonian captivity and when they're comingback. Oh, by the way,
the Prophet Amos, he's from thetown of Tacoa in Israel, and

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that's where noman Ad live now orover there. So that's kind of connection.
But but just just based on thisone verse, we get so much
so if we're all coming in youknow, guns blazing. No, there's
no prophecy you know in the entireBible that that is going to go unfulfilled.
Right, that God, you know, keeps all this process, just
this one sentence. God says,I will plant this and then And if

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you read the Book of Amos,it's very much in the context ultimately of
the end Times. Tons of endTimes prophecy in their small book. But
but this is what God says,He says, I will plant Israel.
Is he talking about Christians there?This is four or five hundred years before
Christians even existed. This is allin the context of Israel, the Jews,

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old God's old Covenant people coming backfrom Babylonian captivity, re established in
the land. But this is lookingto the far future when they're gonna be
out again. For two thousand years, right, they've been out, But
God says, I I'm gonna putthem back in their own land. That
happened in nineteen forty eight. Hasor became a nation again, never again
to be uprooted from the land Ihave given them. Okay, So does

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this sound like a people that Godyou know is going to reject then he's
going to turn his back on thenwhy would he give them the Holy Land?
He's keeping this promise, So thisprophecy has to be fulfilled. This
one sentence. We all have toagree that that has to be fulfilled.
So Israel's fighting now to you knowthat thing, you know from the river
to the sea, you know,wipe Israel off the map? No,

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God said, no. Once Iput them back there, they're never going
to be a britic. It doesn'tmean there's not gonna be a lot of
trouble on the way. But onething that so this replacement theology thing,
so what are we doing when wedo that? We're trying to reduce scripture
to symbolism that this is really aprophecy about Christians because we replace them.
So there's it's just it's kind oflike allegorical, right. But Aeronaeus,

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we love Aeronaus. Yes, soI think before we read what Aaronaus has
to say about, you know,allegorizing scripture, that's an important point.
We probably want to explain to ouraudience again who Aeronaus is. Do you
want to take a little break andthen when we come back, we'll do
that. We'll go to a songand then we'll be back here in just
a few minutes. Yeah, staytuned, everybody. Aaron as here and

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eleven one eight hundred seven two onenine three one three eight hundred seven two
one ninety three thirteen. Once Upona Christmas by Salah coming up next.
Dolly Pardon sings along again that numbereight hundred seven to one nine three one
three. Good Friday morning. Ihope you're having a fantastic start to your
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Radio Network. Good morning, yourCelebration Radio Network. Bill. This is
short calm from Gilbert Hi Cheryl Good. I just wanted to wish Ron I'm
married Christmas. Oh, thank you, Cheryl, appreciate that you too.
How are you doing? Thank you? I'm doing all right, taking everything
one day at a time. Yeah, like the rest of us, pretty

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much all we can do right oneday at a time. Yeah. But
it's good to hear your voice.So what are you doing down there?
We're gonna mind doing it right now. I'm waiting for a right the Day
program because i haven't been going tothe day treatment. Okay, cool,
All right, Well, we're stillpraying for you. Yeah, and we

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miss you up here. Yeah wedo. Yeah, and and nobody says
it anymore. We're going to havea great class. And what do you
used to say? Do you remember? Because we always had you say it?
Go ahead, you always have fun. Yeah, we always have fun.
That that was it. Yeah,very good. I miss that.

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Well. God bless you, Cheryl. Good to hear from you. Good
to hear from you too. Yeah. Merry Christmas, Yes, Merry Christmas,
Cheryl. All right, we loveyou, okay, bye bye bye.
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eight hundred and seventy two one ninethree one three. That's one eight hundred

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seven two one ninety three thirteen.Pastor Ryan, John and Terry are in
the studio with me this morning,and we were just talking about Erinaeus.
And before we get before we gotinto that, we went to a break.
So, so, who's gonna tellus who Aeronaeus is? H It
was a terry honor, all right. Yeah, So, as the Bible

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teaches us, we're supposed to goand make disciples as you are hopefully aware.
If you're not, then read thebook. There you go. Jesus
had disciples, They had twelve ofthem. One of them was, of
course Judas, who portrayed him,but he had eleven remaining disciples that he
taught, you know, the waysof God. John was one of those.

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John was the one who wrote theBook of Revelation. John discipled a
man named Polycarp, and then Polycarpdiscipled Aeronaeus. So Aeronaeus's teachings were only
like three generations away from Jesus,yeah, and just just two after John
the Apostle himself. So so,yeah, Aaronaus, I mean to get

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you guys know and talk about beingable to talk about ideology guys in because
now you guys say that that heis by far my favorite guy outside the
Bible itself, and I'm and I'mgoing to call him history's most credible witness
to the word of God. Soso, and what was the name of
his book, John, because you'rereading ready, both of you. It's

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called Against Heresies, Against Heresy.He so Aaronaeus wrote this book Against Heresies
in the year eighty one eighty Sowe're talking you know, ninety maybe maybe
eighty five years after John wrote theBook of rep And the reason the title
is so compelling and so important isthat that was Aaronaus's purpose. His goal

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was was he knew that, Imean, he was experiencing a firsthand that
even that early in Christianity, andit went all the way back the time
of Jesus, Jesuys, you know, false christ false prophets, right,
that there were people out there pervertingthe Gospel, perverting the Word of God,
and maybe not even intentionally, butjust from a pointed deception. But
there were a lot of false teachings, false doctrines that were spreading throughout the

(35:28):
body of Chryso Aeronaeus. So hewent to work. It's a very thick
book. I mean, it's abig book, man against heresy's and the
whole last fifth of it is allabout the Book of Revelation. In times
Protzi so loved this guy. Buthis whole goal was to dispel all the
myths, to correct all the falsedoctrine, to say, look, Polycarp,
my teacher, my mentor, right, he was a disciple of polycop

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Polycarp learned directly from John the apostlewho wrote the Book of Revelation, and
John, like Terry said, wasa disciple of Christ. He learned direct
from Jesus. So Aaronaus he wentabout to set the records. Right,
this is what this scripture really means. This is what John really meant.
This, This is you know,the truth about the Antichrist, about the
Great Tribulation, a lot of stuffnot about the end times. But that's

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kind of our focus here, right. So so when we read Aaronaus,
we're reading from the guy who learnedfrom the guy who wrote the book Revelation.
Right, So is there anybody whohas a more you know, credible
testimony of what the Bible really means? So when we're looking for you know,
interpretation, you know what's the correctinterpretation? Aaron As is a great

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source. So what does Aaronaus sayabout this idea of just reducing the Bible
to mirror symbolism or allegory. Yeah, so he has this, Like you
said, it's against heresies by aaronAs is in book five because there's five
different books within the one book.Right, chapter thirty five, he says
this is paragraph one one. Ifhowever, any shall endeavor to allegorize prophecies

(36:58):
of this kind. They shall notbe found consistent with themselves in all points,
and shall be confuted by the teachingof the very expressions in question.
Yeah, another thing I love abouther makes he's very worriedy Okay, he's
one of those brainiac guys. Butbut what's what's he's saying here? Just
to put it succinctly, anybody,what I just said, just don't reduce

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scripture to allegory, allegory to symbolism, right, So we can't take like
what what Amos said. Amos saidagain he's quoting you know, God said
this, Amos, you know ninetyfifteen, yea their own land and ever
again to me uprooted from the landI have given them. Right. So
that's an example of a scripture thatwe can't reduce to allegory. It's not
talking about Christians, it's not talkingabout the body Christian. It's talking about

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the nation Israel. Yeah, sayChristians, it says Israel, and also
Christians was Israel. It was Jacoband his twelve sons of Israel. Yeah,
Israel. You can't get away fromthat. And so that's and that's
just listen, I'm telling you itwould Wo'd never be done with this show.

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Tell Jesus comes back to me oneanyways? Right, Yeah, just
looking at this one topic, allof God's promises to the nation of Israel,
to the twelve tribes of Israel,specificy to his old Covenant people,
all throughout the entire Old Testament.We even get some of it in the
New Testament, as we're going tosee. But I you know, just
putting this together, and this isthe first time I've I've ever even attempted
to teach this topic like like indepth, right, but I think we

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need to again, what's happening inIsrael? Should Christians be supporting this?
Should should we support Israel in thiswar? Is this really a good thing?
Right? So we need to notbe on israel side, not beyond
the Palesinian side, not beyond Christianside. We need to be on God's
side, God's side. Right.Everybody's alway saying, yeah, you know,
God's on our side. Whatever,God's not on my side, I

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better be on his side, yes, right? So so there you know,
there's there's a just literally thousands ofexamples we could pull from scripture.
But what I'm honing in on.Is what we want to hone in on.
Here is the prophet Ezekiel. Okay, so uh, this is one
of the most important books of prophecyin the entire Bible about the end times.
She was on something when he wrotethat book, people asked that question.

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He was considered extremely eccentric. Yeah, the Holy Spirit, for sure,
he is considered extremely accent answer.Right, Remember he spent like a
whole year just out in the desertlying on his size barley cakes. Yeah,
and I'm reading that right now.But anyways, the barley cakes had
to be cooked over this certain substanceof say, on the air because because

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he was he was a proxy tostand in for for the nation of Israel.
And and you know the sin thatthey were in at that time,
the harle tree that they were in, it was pretty dark. Yeah.
So God said, okay, well, you're the prophets. You have to
do this to symbolize you know,what, what what's happening here? Right?
But but Ezekiel, you know it'sin the Old Testament. But and

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you know, you might think,well, this prophecy's in there about the
first Coming of Jesus, and therekind of is But the Book of Ezekiel,
almost the entire book is all aboutthe end time, the last of
last days. There is not aBible scholar on earth who would disagree with
that, right, So Bill,why don't you read that on the next
slide after chapters. Yeah, Ezekieldescribing destruction of the nations that will come

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against Israel during Reign of Antichrist,Destruction Damnation of Antichrist, Revelation nineteen,
War of Gog and Maygog, andof the Millennial Reign, Revelation twenty Ezekiel
describes the New Jerusalem, and likeRevelation twenty one. So we're talking like,
I mean, yeah, there's somuch here the book. It's a

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huge book, right, So we'retalking like all the way back in right
around chapter twenty five, Ezeko reallystarts to get into the end time stuff,
and then it goes all the waythrough the end of the book,
which Ezekiel forty eight. It's solike, you know, half the book
is all about the last of theLast Days, but he goes into great
detail. We're not gonna look atany of it because it's just too complex.

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But reading through those chapters, thosetwenty twenty three to twenty four chapters.
Ezekiel clearly describes the Battle of Armageddon. Okay, that's Revelation chapter sixteen
seventeen eighteen. He describes God's youknow, judgment on those nations who come
against Israel, you know, duringthe reign in the Antichrist. Right,
he describes the destruction and damnation ofthe anti Christ, which wo read about

(41:29):
in Revelation chapters nineteen to twenty,where the Antichrist and his false prophet get
thrown in the lake of fire.It's in the book of Ezekiel. He
describes the Gog Magog War, whicheverybody gets as mixed up. That's Ezekiel
chapter thirty eight. And people aresaying that today, oh, this is
the beginning of the It's not.It kind of is, but it's not
because the Gog Magog War that Ezekieldescribes is the one that is in Revelation

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chapter twenty depicted at the end ofthe Millennial reign. So now we're like
almost a thousand years past the GreatTribulation, right, and then finally Ezekiel
goes into what happens after that,the New Heaven, the New Ear,
the New Jerusalem, right, andthat's described in Revelation chapter twenty one.
There's twenty two chapters in Revelation,so we're talking about you know, that's

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the very very end of the Bookof Revelation. Yeah, we need to
go back to that God Magod thing. A lot of people misinterpret the Battle
of Armageddon with the Battle of Gogand Magog. Two completely different things,
and they're completely different. Like yousaid, they're separated by over a thousand
years, about almost a thousand years. Yeah, yeah, and not that
they're not related. I mean,one naturally leads to the other. So

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right now we're seeing even in thismoment, Russia, you know, Putin
is backing like secretly behind the scenes, not that secret though, back in
Iran, right, right, China, yes, and China is involved in
all this, right, and thenIran the Battle of Armageddon, that's Iran
backing the Antichrist. But Russia isdefinitely involvement. And to the very end

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of time, Russia is going tobe, I mean the end of all
you know, this present age,Russia is going to be the real secret
power behind the forces that are comingagainst in each backing the anti Christ.
Right. But yeah, the GogMagog wore the big one that's not till
the end of the millennial reign.So and then after that we get to
again in Ezekiel, a description ofthe new Jerusalem. And this is this

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is where we get into God's mostincredible promises about his old covenant people,
the Jews. Okay, they dohave a future, they do have a
destiny, they have a present withGod. Okay, happening right now.
Need to take a break and thenwe'll talk about that a little bit if
we I don't know though, We'realmost the top of the hour. I
just realized, yeah, I know, yeah, we do. We have
another segment left before pretty much justto you know, wrap it up really

(43:40):
close. So everybody, we're justchrist We're just really starting on this,
but please please come back. We'regoing to try to do another show in
two weeks from today Friday, Januaryfifth, and twenty twenty four. I
know that next year. Oh mygosh. Yeah, time is flying man.
Yeah, but yeah, we're goingto continue this topic, get really
deeply into it. We want tounderstand what is God's plan for the Jewish

(44:05):
people today and in the future,acknowledging that they do they don't recognize Christ
right now is the Messiah. Soso it is tricky, it's touchy,
potentially controversial, but stick with us. Just this is the word of God.
It's amazing stuff. So yeah,you go. Amen. Well I
want to say thank you guys.Just wrap it up right now because we've
got less than we've got about nineI'll get to work early my day job.

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So thank you guys again for comingin. Thanks for having us.
I know I know how Christmas right, happy Honkah which is over now,
but you know still, you know, I was driving by every morning during
Hanukah past the Jewish Synagogue, Yes, and their manora out there was you
know lit up every night. Youknow, it had another land light bulb,

(44:52):
you know lit and I was watchingit progress through and that was so
cool. And they've never had that. That's actually I was in his say,
that's the first time I've seen that. Yeah, it's it's Kabad who
put that out there. And andthat's the big you know international you know,
worldwide organization and Jewish you know scholarshipand they're and have the who now
and they're they're now partnering with thesynagogue. That's cool. There's a lot

(45:14):
going on with that. But yeah, we left Kabbad. You know,
we we very much welcome them tohave the SEO and I've actually had Starbucks
with the leader of it, hearingyoung guy. But yeah, yeah they're
good people. So yeah, yeah, they thank God. Really we love
our Jewish brothers and sisters. Andagain, Christian's got to know this.
We we're going to spend some timeon this, so listen, I just

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want to say one more thing realquick about this. We need to support
Israel, We need to pray forIsrael. We need to support the Jews.
We may not agree with what,you know, how they go about
it or how you know, whateverthe you know, the war and I
mean any war we want agree youknow, I don't agree with war,

(45:58):
but we hate where. God hateswar. God hates yes, and but
we still need to support the people, yes, yeah, because they are
sometimes so necessary. And we seeGod throughout the entire you know Bible man,
we have the Old Testament right sendinghis people, he sends him into
war. He sends them into battlebecause there are we have one enemy in
this entire universe and beyond that Satan. Yeah, but he he orchestrates his

(46:22):
will through people and nations, andthat's just what we're seeing now. God
does the same thing. And andsometimes war has to be carried out,
and if it's a righteous war,then it's one that we have to support.
We hate war, we hate death, we hate found so does God.
But sometimes this stuff is necessary,just telling it like it is.
And Hamas has to go. That'sthat's an evil entity in the Holy Land

(46:45):
doesn't belong there. And again wewrestle not against flesh and blood, but
principalities and powers and wickedness and highplaces. That's it. I pray for
the salvation of the Pealsonine people.There's there's some Palsonine Christians. They're kind
of shrinking over time. But Ipray for their salvation and that the light
goes on for them. And youknow, you know, Jesus died on

(47:06):
the cross for all of us,Yes, and every single one. And
like I said, I've got friendsover there. I mean, I love
the Palestinian people, the ones Iknow, and a lot of them are
in favor of Israel. One taxidriver, he was driver. Yeah yeah,
he's a friend to the stay amarked vehicle. Yeah yeah, yeah,
thankfully right, yeah, yeah,and thank you, as we always

(47:29):
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seven to one nine three one threefor that pray request. Good morning your
Celebration Radio Network. Good morning Bill, I heard you, yes, and
on the radio, I tried toColin that you were busy. Yeah,
sorry about that. And now Ialmost didn't answer because I got like twenty
seconds before I have to go onthe air, but I needed to get
it just in case it was somebody. So usually it's one of those spam

(48:34):
calls or something. I pray,I prayed that. Can we pray that
I get to go home tomorrow.You're still in the hospital. I thought
you were good. Go girl.Yeah. My dad with me up.
He just prayed that. Okay,well, let's lift you up right,
Heavenly Father in your hand, continuingshe will be able to go horn And
but things are in your wimming andwe beat healing, and he unto her

(48:58):
dad Lord, so he feels paddedtheir situation. Everything that is now God,
I just lorsitive over her, cleanseher her head to the bottom of
celebrity. She would feel drinth inher wounds and game a man, Hey,
we less okay, I'm Americas.We all get your card. Bless
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network. Can you hear me?Okay, yes, Well, I just
wanted to say how much I appreciateyou. Words don't cover it. You
know, all of your prayers andevery you know, everything you do.
You just the way you read thedevotionals in the morning. This morning,

(50:07):
I was, I would say ather a split second disappointed. Oh no,
we're not going to hear the devotionstoday. But God had a different
plan. I had to hear alittle bit more about Ezekiel. Yeah.
Yeah, so yesterday's Greg Lorie thePainting. Yeah. Amen, I read

(50:30):
it to the gang this morning beforewe went on the air. Oh God,
bless you. You know, Ididn't hear the whole thing. So
I went onto the Harvest website andI read it and I shared it with
people because it's so good. Yeah. I shared it on my Facebook page,
and I actually got a text fromCorlin and Yuca Valley wanted me to

(50:51):
send it to her, so Idid. Oh, so beautiful. Well,
yeah, I have a wonderful ChristmasCelebration holidays, and I pray that
you're you and your family are soover filled with joy and shalom and any

(51:13):
in your body that's not of God, that it removed, and that you
can have a beautiful time without anypain or discomfort. Thank you Jesus,
because you stay to ask and weshall receive and to believe in our hearts
and we do. Amen. Yeah, and thank you, and same to

(51:38):
you. Thank you. You're verywelcome, and I will be hearing you
next week. Yeah, on Tuesday, because I won't be here Monday.
Okay, yes, yep, unlessunless for some reason I decide to just
come in anyway. I don't know, I've been thinking about it. Yeah,

(52:00):
interesting, okay, yeah, allright, Well, appreciate you.
God bless you, and we'll bepraying for you and your family. And
Merry Christmas so much. Merry Christmas. Thank you. Bye bye. Barlow
Girl and Carol of the Bells singwe now of Christmas on your Celebration Radio

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network. While we're at twenty eightminutes after the hour, the morning is
gone, well at least the morningshow. I want to thank you for
allowing us to be part of yourFriday morning So look forward to spending my
mornings with you, and I willnot be able to share it with you
tomorrow it'll be a recovery radio previouslyrecorded program. And then on Monday I

(52:49):
probably won't be here either. Sobecause it's Christmas Day, I can't believe
we're here already. Well, Isaiahseven fourteen says, therefore the Lord himself
shall give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a
son, and shall call his nameEmmanuel. And the reason for the season

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and why we celebrate is because ofthat virgin birth, the Lord Jesus Christ
coming to the earth in flesh tolive out a life amongst us, to
go to the cross for us,and to raise again so we could have
eternal life with him. Oh,Heavenly Father, we thank you for the

(53:38):
new morning you've given us in theprivilege we have to begin it with you
each and every day. And astoday continues to unfold for us, Lord,
give us your wisdom to handle anysituation we encounter. Let our speech
be seasoned with your grace and ourthoughts pleasing to you. We're so grateful
to know that regardless of where thisday takes us, here there in the

(54:00):
midst and there's no shortage of goodthings in your presence. So Lord,
I just pray the listeners over thenext few days. Fuel your presence,
that incredible love that you share forus, Lord, that you give to
us, and the reason that youcame, and help us to remember the

(54:21):
reason for this season. Keep itin our minds are the forefront of our
minds always, and help us tolive with that mindset on things above,
to be heavenly and kingdomly minded,so that we let your light shine through
our lives into this dark world,and that the precious name of Jesus will

(54:42):
be glorified. And in that nameof Jesus we pray Amen. Well again,
thanks for allowing us be part ofyour Friday morning. We'll see you
probably on Tuesday. I hope youhave just an incredible day to day and
enjoy your holiday weekend this Christmas weekend. We'll see Tuesday on your Celebration Radio network.