Part 14: The Rapture! 🔥

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It's Lauren Diego and these are theDays on Your Celebration Radio Network. Pastor

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Ryan, John and Terry are inthe studio eight hundred seven two one nine
three one three. That is Laurendegowith These are the Days on Your Celebration
Radio Network. That is off herlatest project, Thank God I Do,
And we were given that away overthe last week and we actually had to
order more. That's got some reallygreat songs on there. So she's very

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talented. She is Oh my gosh, Yeah, she's an amazing artist.
When several years ago now I guessit has been, she was on Ellen
and she did Rolling Stones. Ohthat's such a good song, it is,
and she also did I think therewas one other one she did and

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you say it was? Yeah,anyway wrong, She's Yeah, she's just
an amazing artist and I really loveit. We've got one CD left actually
because parents ordered some more during duringthe sheriffon, so we might give that

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away probably today. With during MissDebbie and Sarah not us because we've got
a lot to unpack here. Yeah, we don't have time to get Yeah
we won't. We won't unfortunately rememberthe day. Yeah, we to do
that. You know what, ifanybody does want the DVDs, I have

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stacks of DVDs in my office.All you got to do is just call
it is the first half of yourtwenty seventeen trip or twenty twelve, twelve,
twenty nobody is twenty fourteen, twentyfourteen, fourteen seventeen, twenty fourteen,
twenty fourteen, okay, and Ido have twelve yeah, Yeah,
you've got so much on there.Yeah, so if yeah, if anybody,

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I'll just send them to you soyou don't try to win them.
I think that's a good idea.Yeah, we got so many and twenty
I'd love to give get these intopeople's hands. Yeah, they're great.
I mean, if you never gotIsrael, I have, if you can't
get there, watch those. You'llsee things you'll never see it on one
of those tours. Ye, right, that's right exactly. And you know
that was nine years ago, butit's all still one hundred percent relevant.

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And if you want to see morerecent stuff from my research trips. I've
been Israel twice since then in othercountries. To go to YouTube dot com
forward slash these final Days or justlook at these final days and that's uh
our ministry, our ministry, anduh you can find you know, teaching
videos and the research trips and ministrytrips and pretty pretty cool content on you

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now this last trip. If youhad chance to load those all up there,
because I was watching them on Facebookwhen you guys were posting them with
Ben, I don't have them allup yeah, okay, but yeah,
so actually that's an even better way, thank you, Bill. Yeah.
So if you go to our Facebookpage, which is Facebook dot com,
forward slash these final days and andthat's you know, even more current content.
So yeah, if I didn't havea day job all to be done,

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God, so much going on.Yeah, plus you're trying to finish
your book three in the series andwith the climate. Uh. This article
came across my desk a few daysago, and I sent it to all
of you guys and and uh,and I printed it out too, because
I really like having a paper copyin front of me and not trying to

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have to remember everything I had.Yeah, but this this came across my
desk and I'm like, wow,that's quite a question. And I love
the fact that there's actually a pastorof the first Baptist Church in Bethlehem.
I felt the same way. Howcrisp is that right? Making that connection?
Yeah? So could Israel Hamas warignite the Ezekiel may Good prophecy?

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Bethlehem based pastor explains, Now,his name is Stephen and he talks to
CBN Digital and like I said,he's a Christian pastor in Bethlehster, located
on the West Bank. So hesays, it's a joy though it is
also overwhelming and scary considering current events. And like I said, this was

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just done a few days ago.So he said, Hamas October seventh terror
attack and the strife that followed furthercomplicated life in the region. Yeah,
that's kind of an understated Yeah,so your guys' thoughts on that question.
I know that you know, weget into you know, obviously these final

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days ministry. So many Christian leadersbelieve that Magog is Russia with Persian no
question listed among the nations which weall agree, right, right, So
considering that Iran's connection to Hamas.The current dynamics are certainly noteworthy without a

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doubt. Again, you guys spoton. And and first of all,
I want to say that this pastoris like shockingly brave because you know,
I've been to Bethlehem a couple oftimes and that's part of what's called Area
A. Okay, so this AreaA, B and C C is contrilled,
you know, completely controlled by Israel. Area A is completely controlled by
Palestinians, which means that there's awall around it and rob Bore you know,

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coil Barbire, and no Jews,Israeli Jews are allowed in there at
all, and if they happen towandering. David Bedde's been in there a
few times. Of course he's youknow, crazy, it's like me,
but he actually sent me in therethe first time on like a big recon
mission and we're you know, interviewingyou know, guys at the Palastini Refty
camp all that. Yeah. Butbut yeah, a Jew that goes in

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there will probably be killed in fact, that's how right? Yeah, But
to Bethem in Bethlehem, it's Jews. How ironic is that? Right?
And Bethlehem actually sits right between Jerusalemand where the Bedeens live. It's just
just a few miles south of ofJerusalem. You can you can see Jerusalem
like from Bethlehem, right wow.But but anyways, yees, So,

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I just want to start with thatcomment the guy's like because because for him
to even say those words, it'sit's it sounds like kind of potentially critical
of Hamas because he's putting Hamas onthe bad side of that war. Yeah,
so yeah, that's you know,kudos for him next to my government.
Try to find this guy seriously,Yeah, Corey, I'd love to
go meet him. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But that said, so,

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yeah, what what do you guysthink of his his question? Gog
makes a good question because because we'rehearing this all the time, right,
have you guys heard heard that fromother pastors this could be the gog may
goog. I have not heard theyuse that terminology. But they always say
that they think this is the beginningof the end. And a lot of
them say that, yeah, waitingfor this great because even like he says,

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even Steven and here he says,you know, hey, you never
know, it could be but thenit could all fizzle out again like it
always does, which is another greatthing for this. I mean, just
the fact that a palsaden Arab Christianpastor is teaching it all about the end
times. Yeah, yeah, I'mgoing to find this guy. Yeah so
so yeah, so I kind ofassume when you sent the article that you
guys had all been hearing this,and I've been hearing this, you know,

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for no. This was this wastotally It caught me actually by surprise
that there would be somebody out therethat even even even mentions it. Yeah.
Glory for him said several times aboutyou know, the Gog Magog and
all that and so so. Infact, I think it was last week.
He was going through his revelation teachinga week before. But Greg Glory,
yeah, Greg Glory, Yeah,so they all run together. I

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can't remember, Yes, he does. So, so what what do you
guys know? Just you know,we're here to educate, right, I
mean, that's that's kind of themain purpose of our show, educate people
about the times as best as weunderstand it. And you know, we're
you know, humans like everybody else, So we do it by going into
the word of God. Right,But what do you guys know about the

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Gog Magog or when I when Igot this article from Bill's first thing I
did it looked the Tyran and andgo I immediately just kind of hold it.
Where where does this happen in thetimeline of last day's events? That's
what That's exactly what I thought.I love you guys, you asked the
right questions, right, So ina way it's it's not really correct to

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say that this could be the GogMagog War, but in a way it
is correct. Can I explain?So? First of all, Magog Gog
is a person, he's like theleader of Magog. When this, you
know, time happens, uh Maygogwithout question and everything that we talk about
is of course a little bit ofquestion. But it's Russia, you know,

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know that about it? So soit actually dates or or or you
can trace it back to a guynamed me Shock. Okay. So so
these were all sons of Ja okay, so way back and you know,
forever ago, and yeah, Ithink, yeah, we go back a
few years, a couple of years. So so this so it all that
kind of roots back the very verybeginning. But but I did a really

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deep at an etymological study of theof the n ame Shack and Magog and
all that, and it's Moscow crazywow, and even talks about it being
like you know, you know,the the nation from the north. And
if you look on a map,of course, Jerusalem is almost on the
exact same longitudinal line as Moscow.That's that's as north as you can get.

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So, but the but the youknow, that's not a parallel line,
Uh, it would be longitudinal.No, that's a that's a vertical
one vertical, yeah, the onethat goes straight up at yeah, south,
Paul, right, but it's it'syeah, Moscow is like due north
of Jerusalem. But but the GognagogWar that's described in Ezekiel chapter thirty eight
and thirty nine. So when andif you do hear pastors say, just

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you know, keep that in mindand if you and that's the very end
of the book of Ezekiel. Soif you go and look at the context,
Chapter thirty seven of Ezekiel is talkingabout how the Jews will all be
brought back to the land of Israel, right, they'll live there completely in
peace, and one king will ruleover them. And it actually names the
king King David. Of course,knowing that it's not literally King David,

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so who's that talking about that?What about of Jesus? So that's really
describing the millennial rain. Right.Then it goes into the war of Gog
and Magog, and God's angry withwith you know, Gog, you know
of Magog because he saw an opportunitythere to go and rip off the the
you know, Israelites to the Jewsbecause they didn't even have locks on their

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doors, they didn't have bars ontheir windows. So that's not describing today.
Believe me, the Jews have lockson their doors and barth on the
windows, right, they got wallsup and barbed wire and all that.
So the context of the Gog Magogwar is actually the millennial Rain. And
if you look at Revelation chapter okay, so remember the Great Tribulation goes from
re Relation chapter eight to chapter eighteen. That's the Great Tribulation period, right.

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The reign of the Antichrist is chaptertwelve through chapter eighteen. The Second
Coming of Christ is chapter nineteen,and then the millennial Reign of Christ,
which is the thousand years that herules and rains on this earth as it
is, you know right now,that's in Revelation chapter twenty. Well,
Revelation chapter twenty ends with the GogMeg War, okay, so so,
and then Ezekiel chapter forty, thevery next chapter describes the new you know,

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the New Jerusalem, New Heaven,New Earth, which is like,
is this like the Battle of ArmorYedden then, yeah, so, thank
you exactly. And I like touse the term, and maybe I made
up the term, but I callit the War of Armageddon because it's it
culminates in that battle and the KidronValley at the very very end, but
the war goes on for who knowshow long, at least several months,
okay before that final battle. Butso what I said before that it's kind

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of incorrect to say Gog may Googwar because that doesn't happen till the the
Millionial. Right the the other hand, it's really what this is all leading
up to, so the War Armageddon, which will take place during the last
half of the Great Tribulation seven nearGreat Tribulation that of course hasn't started yet,
because we're not in the Great Tribulationyet, even though lot of people
think we are. However, weare in the Great End Times War right

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now at this very moment, andwhat we're seeing with Hamas and Israel and
Iran's coming into it and Russia iscoming into it. My gosh, all
this is prophesied. So Russia isinvolved, Iran is involved, all the
belligerents that are described in Ezekiel's aGog Magog War, but it makes sense.
It's really all just one war.And it started the first shot was

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nine to eleven, two thousand andone World Trade Center. And so I
wouldn't even call it a prelude tothe War of Armageddon or even a prelude
to the Gog Magog War much later. It's all kind of one war.
So way back, and I'm goingall over the place here, way back
at u of A when I wasa student there, majored in international relations.

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You guys, remember, right,Polisi right, And we talked a
lot about World War One and WorldWar Two, and in the policide department,
it wasn't World War One and WorldWar two. It's World War Part
one. In World War Part two, yeah, right, US and the
UK against Germany in the First WorldWar, same belligerance in the Second World
War. It was really one continuousone. It was it was just with
this like interim period we have theGreat Depression all that stuff, right,

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but that's the time that we're inright right this minute. Okay, at
this moment in time, we're alreadyin the great end times of war.
There'll be some pauses and they'll belike, you know, different phases of
it, right, but uh yeah, So that's my really short answer,
make up war, Yes and no, that's exactly. Yeah. Well,
we got more to get to andwe'll get to that, and we're going

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to try to get to mansions inmy father's house as well today. So
we got a lot to unpack thismorning. Eight hundred seven two one ninety
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at thirteen minutes at the top ofthe hour. Again. This is Bill
and in the studio with me isPastor Ryan, John and Terry and we
have a time. Yes. Yeah. In the last break, we were
talking about Pastor Stephen from the FirstBaptist Church in Bethlehem, talking about good
Israel Hamas or ignite Exekiel may Gott, not that it was you know,

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yeah, I like the way hephrased it settled down, but you know,
right, yeah. And I comeacross this article as well, and
I, uh, this just blewme away when I saw this, So
I sent it to you guys aswell, about wonder Woman, the star
that Gaul goadt Godote go adote.Okay, you can never I just call

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her wonder woman. Yes, toappreciate that a Hollywood star organizes showing of
id F footage of deadly Hamas attackson Israelis Israelis. And she isn't as
most of you probably know already.She's in an Israeli national who was in

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the I d F. And andshe, you know, served I think
more than two years. I think. I think it's a couple of terms.
Four years, so before she becamean actress, a model, you
know all that she does now.So her and her husband put together this
film and an Oscar winning Israeli directorGuy. Okay, they're showing this forty

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seven minutes of footage that was capturedby the I d F. And the
footage does include horrific horrors carried outor by Hamas on Israeli citizens and the
terrorists organized as governor governing the GazaStrip. Now Gall and her husband put

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together this to show people just tobe what is actually happening there, and
they're already calling it fake and andall of this, but uh, you
know, of course, and youknow when I guess I kind of you
know, wished it was. Actuallyyou're seeing and reading actual truth coming out

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of the Middle East and what happenedand what is still happening. I mean
even point of view. Kirby hasbrought up the fact that our press here
in this country had skewed so manyreports towards the Hamas side of things,

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and like when the when the rocketthat apparently was sent by Israeli's hit a
hospital while it didn't even hit thehospital, landed in the parking lot.
Nobody, I don't even think anybodydied, and they reported at first five
hundred people were killed. There wasthere was a maybe maybe a couple doesn't
but it wasn't in Israel. Wasn'tright. It wasn't an Israeli missile.
It was a lemon, yeah,exactly, So there is truth out there.

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You just got to know where tofind it. And as a filmmaker,
he goes on to say, Iswore that these images of October seventh
would not be forgotten because of whathappened during the Holocaust. People still today
don't even believe that there was aHolocaust. So you know, we need
to take the blinders off and what'shappening and stand behind Israel. It's just

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it's so dumb, plainly right andwrong and good versus evil, so so
plain But by the way, whenit says that that footage of the IDF
captured, that doesn't mean that theIDF took the footage like they went in
after the fast found right, theycaptured it from Hamas. So they yeah,
they you know, the Hamas terroristswere still so and so Hamas we
know they're in there with their cellphones and they're filming everything, all this

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this horrible stuff that they're doing,just like we don't even want to say
it on the radio. Yeah,but the things they did, and then
to fill them film themselves doing it, and it's just like it doesn't get
more evil than that. And sothe people in the United States and and
and you know around the whole worldwho are supporting Hamas and they're saying,
yeah, we support the palest Indians. And well, in this context of

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what's going on, you're supporting Hamas. I mean, don't, don't and
but yeah, they're in denial.They think, you know, Hamas is
nice and they're and they're great people, you know. Gosh, I hope
it's okay that I say this.I'm not going to ask you first,
Bill because you'll say no. Butduring when we were off the air,
I mentioned that this you know,image that I saw online, a photograph
of these college kids here in theUS, and and they have a big

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band of that says, you know, homosexuals for Hamas or for the Palestinians
or whatever. And you know,you know, you look at the kids
and you think that the you know, they have that look, right,
And I just I almost laughed whenI saw that, And yet you can't
laugh because it's so disturbing. WhenI was in god I spent three days
in Godza City back in twenty fourteenpart of my research of this ministry,
and about a week and a halfbefore we got there, Hamas had actually

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taken two men on the top ofa really high building in Godza City and
threw them off. That's a nastyway to die for the crime of being
homosexual. So it just shows thedisconnect you know here in the United States
between time what people think they're supportingand what they're actually supporting. Most people,
let me say this, pretty mucheveryone in the US who's supporting Hamas

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right now and again, you know, from the river to the sea,
palesin will be free. That's Hamas'schant. That means wipe out Israel,
murder all the Jews, That's whatthat means. If they went to Gaza,
they would be killed. Yes,So yeah, anyways, I'm you
know, cavetching that you hear whatI'm saying. It's so ironic. Ye,

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people are willfully deceived. They don'twant to see the truth because this
is the times we're in, thegreat in times of war. This is
all spiritual, you know very much. Yeah, And if we're not careful,
those blinders will go on us aswell. And we need to stay
focused on what is actually taking placeand not believe the lives of the enemy,

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and most importantly, stay filled withthe Holy Spirit. Yeah, he
will keep it. Yeah, youwill keep your eyes open. And keep
you aware of what's going on,stay awake, stake, and stay sober,
diligent it says yes word, sonot only just sober, but be
diligent as well. So don't justtake even what we're saying right, you

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know, find out for yourself,dig into it. And if you have
any questions at all about what's happeningin the Middle East and and who's right,
who's wrong or not even that Idon't even want to go there either.
But yeah, well God's right.Yeah, God is always right,

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all the time, forever more.Bill, if I could, if I
could ask, can you keep aneye out for like follow and we will
too, of course, for followups to this story about Gaugadote and her
husband, because I'm really curious howmany people are even going to show up
to see this film. And eventhough you guys know this has been my
stick for you know, a coupleof decades right going over there, I've
been to Gods, I've been allover the West Bank all that has a

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lot of territory in Lebanon. Iwould not go see this film myself.
I don't want to see it.No, it's just like I caught a
couple of little clips you know,on on you know, the internet kind
of accidentally, and I'm still likehaunted by the by the images, you
know. Yeah, but Hollywood needsto see this. Yeah, the producers
there and yeah, I twenty fouractually did this interview. Okay, Okay,

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there's the one that's great that didthis interview that's really shared it with
CBN, so that's where I gotit from. But yeah, I will
definitely be looking looking out for this. I love that she's doing that.
I do crazy, Yeah, Ido too. It takes a lot of
guts on her part, right yeah, because like like she's a wonder woman.
Yeah I means, yeah, that'sit. She's really being wonder woman

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right now. She is. She'sthey're screening this with one hundred and twenty
people on the roster and it's allof Hollywood elites that are going to be
going to this. So depending ontheir interest, you know, generated by
the first showcase, they might actuallydo it again that they're planning on it
so with different people coming, I'mgetting curious now. So yeah, yeah,

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and I'm sure that that she'll eventuallymake the film like public to everybody
whoever wants to see it wherever shecan put it right. YouTube would show
it, I know, don't showyeah, because of certain regulations. I
don't think they would be able tobecause of the violence that's in it.
Yeah, the little film I helpedDavid Bedeen make just any you know,
actually like release it like two weeksbefore this happened with Hamas at the kids

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in the West Bain saying yeah,right, you know we right? That
was wasn't it actually got banned AndI try to post it to TikTok twice
they won't post it. David Bedeen'snow tell me, oh, contact this
lawyer up in Canada and he'll seeTikTok and and then YouTube's giving me trouble
over it. So so that thebig social media platforms they're they're trying to

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censor the truth, right, what'sgoing on? Definitely what is going on?
Man, It's just crazy. It'slike it's like we're in the last
days or the enemy something like that. I think. So yeah, man,
man, well I was going toread more of this, but it
gets into graphic detailing. Yes,it does some of the things that was
actually filmed. Yeah, that's actuallyin the film. So we'll we'll just

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leave it to there's evil, yes, and literally unspeakable evil that we won't
even speak on the air what theseguys did. Yeah, so dig into
it for yourselves, you know.And and if you're you know, curious
at all about what is taking place, well, we've got one more thing

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to get to, and then we'lltry to get to the you know,
heavenly managinet back to you know,got some got something really great I want
to share with you coming up inthe next hour. Okay, eight hundred
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We're at twenty minutes after the hour. This is Bill. The phone
number eight hundred seven two one ninethree one three one eight hundred seven two
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would like to talk to Pastor RyanJohn Terry and I again that number eight
hundred seven two one nine three onethree. So in the last hour we

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were talking about, uh, wellmany things, but the Middle East and
the war. And we have anarticle from a Christian pastor there at the
Calvary Baptist Church in Bethlehem that wasgiving interview about the magog and you know,

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God mad War, God Ma goodWar, and we talked about that
for a little while, and thenwe also talked about Wonder Woman and Gaul
Gondote very good was has put togethera movie about forty seven minutes long with
an Israeli Academy Award winning director thatput this together at her and her husband,

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showing it to one hundred and twentyelites in Hollywood of the truth that's
out there from the IDP captured videofrom Hamas and and other sources. So
many things happening, but a reminderthat why we're here is to talk about

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what is Why this is all necessary, I guess would be in what Prophecy
says about the end times. AndI know that this country has has been
experiencing revival at college campuses and tensof thousands are getting baptized around the world.
I've heard of, you know,over in New Zealand and Australia and

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other places where things are happening.And then this article comes across my desk
yesterday that I sent you guys,and you all have it in front of
you. A massive move of Godin Nicaragua, just south of us here
in America, in Central America,over six hundred and fifty thousand people attend
and chose Christ. There's miracles thatabound and it's recent. So this is

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you know, the college campus,churches and cities imagine evangelizing in entire country.
This article says two US mission organizationsare following the Holy Spirit to do
just that in Nicaragua. CBN Newslearn more about this effort to reach hundreds
of thousands of people with the gospel. And a miraculous story is unfolding for

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the Nicaraguans attending mass evangelism campaigns.And if you guys looked at the article
at all, you saw the stadiumthat had one hundred over one hundred thousand
people in it and just that's inthe stands, and then you've got the
grass covered that it was like abig, huge ant hill. There was
no room left for anyone standing roomonly. And a couple of missionaries missionary

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brit and his wife. The organizationis Mountain Gateway and they followed God's leading
and call to shake the nation missedministries along with evangelist Nathan So I was
reading through this and like I said, six hundred and fifty thousand people have

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attended the outreaches so far this year. One more campaign to go. So
I don't I didn't look at thepopulation of Nicaragua, but I think there's
just like a million or two inthe capital city and then you don't have
very many in the outlying areas becauseof you know, war torn area and

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what's happening there. But one ofthe comments here is it will hold about
three hundred thousand people this next theNational Plaza, three hundred thousand. Could
you imagine three hundred thousand people?No, I mean that is just insane,
isn't it. Yeah, well itsays tens of thousands have accepted Jesus
Christy and miracles in Jesus name.By the end of the next year,

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they will evangelize the entire country.Wow, that is just that that amazes
me to hear. And you know, Joel, the Book of Joel is
also in the Book of Acts.It talks about you know, this is
what the prophet Joel had spo spokeabout in the latter days. I will

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pour out my spirit upon all flesh. So why are we talking about this.
It's because of the articles beforehand thatI that we went through look like
doom and gloom and all bad news. But we got to remember that the
end game is Jesus coming back againand you know, living with in eternity

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with him. So that's right.In order to get there, we've got
to go through all this terrible evilstuff. It's just what prophesyed is it
is. It is darker, right, But so Terry remind us. So
we talk about the times. That'sour whole thing. But but what does
all this mean? What's the mostimportant thing? The most important thing is
to accept Jesus as your Lord andsavior and follow his will for your life,

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because otherwise you're going to get tothe end and not be very happy
with yourself. These are these arebad times. You don't want to go
through it without without Jesus and thatJohn, what's the other most important thing?
To be fel with the Holy Spirit? Yeah, you got to have
that be filled and then you getsaved, you get filled exactly. I
mean all these are warning signs toyou know, let you know this is

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happening, and you know, startif you're not following Christ, Yeah,
start reading your Bible and you askpeople for help or whatever you need to
do. Just definitely seek God's guidancein this because we want you to be
in heaven eternity with Christ. Andit's like it's like you said before,

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stay awake, stay sober. Youneed to be in God's word. You
need to be in fellowship with otherChristians. You need to stay awake.
You just can't sit back on yourlaurels and do nothing. Yeah, you
know, it's not that golden ticket. Oh except the Christ my savior.
I'm good. Yeah, that's notit. Yeah, there's Jesus has a
bunch of parables about that that doesn'twork. Yeah, you need to work

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out your own salvation according to whatPaul says. So that's what you have
to do. You have to stayin it. And we're actually quoting First
Thessalonians chapter five, So I recommendeverybody listening go and read that after the
show or during the show. First, that's chapter five about stay in the
light, stay awake, stay sober. There these are what God admonishes us
to do in these times. Soyeah, amen, And one more comment

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about this that Britt says, likeTerry had mentioned earlier, tens of thousands
of people have accepted Jesus Christ andthousands have been healed. Now that's one
of the other things that you knowis a benefit of as a believer.
The Bible tells us that we willbe able to lay hands on the sick
and they shall recover. They alsosaid that we've had people baptized in the

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Holy Spirit spontaneously, and we've hadpeople come out of wheelchairs, and you
name it, every class of miracle, lame walking, deaf, ears open,
blind eyes opened. And his wife, Audrey, is also part of
the Minister Team Ministry Team, andshe says, it's amazing, it's overwhelming.

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And so when you stand up onstage and you see all of these
people coming, and they're coming,and they're coming, and even the way
that they're as you're you're there,they're driving these lines of buses, just
bus after bus to hear about Jesus. And you know, I go back
to like when people would standing roomonly and when they would listen to Paul

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preach, and you know, inthe Miracle of the Man that fell out
of the window, and you know, you get you get those visions of
like those pictures that I saw ofNicaragua, the state. I mean,
it's just completely packed. There's nono room for any more people to fit
in there, and they're outside waitingto get in, and you know,

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and all of this. It justreminds me of you know what what the
Book of Joel does speak about.You know, when he does finally,
well he is not. When hedoes, he is pouring out his spirit,
right, you know, and ifwe accept that and try to move
forward with that in our lives,it will lead and guide and direct us.

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And there's so much more than justsaying, you know, I accept
the Lord Jesus Christ is my savior. In fact, definitely the most amazing
question of the New Testament was whenafter Peter got done preaching, says,
okay, men and brethren, whatshall we you know, what must we
do to be saved? Yeah?It wasn't you know, Okay, well

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that was great, you know,nice message. You know, it pricked
their hearts and they, you know, three thousand people. It's actually says
more than three thousand people were addedunto the church and just that one day.
So you know, we've got toremember that it's about building that relationship
with Jesus and moving forward from there. It's not just the acceptance and that's

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it. There's more to it.Yeah, you have to know him and
let him know you. And theway you do that it's by reading your
Bible and prayer. Yes. Amen. You want to get to know the
person that you're living with, andyou know you got to talk with them
right right, rightly. I meanyou've been married longer than any of us
in here, So how would thatwork if you didn't talk to Pam every

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day? Well, not that Ido most of the talking, but just
say, is there a conversation ona daily basis with your wife? Gosh,
yes, yeah, I had adime for every conversation just yesterday,
you know. Yeah, yeah,yeah. Communication has to communication. That's
a marriage, John and Terry.That works for you guys too, right,
you know you got to talk toone another. Yeah, so it's

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the same in my life. Youknow, twenty seven years of marriage.
You gotta you gotta talk. Yeah, if you don't, it's not going
to last. So in order tobuild a relationship, we got to talk
to the Lord, and in orderto know him, we have to read
his word, and he wants tomake us his temple, his dwelling place
here on earth, and that meanshis Holy Spirit dwelling inside of us.
And how do we get that?Do you guys? Remember? How do

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we get the endwelling? The HolySpirit's most important thing, he just has.
That's what Jesus said. Yeah,how much more will our Father and
Heaven give to him who just asked? Give what? The Holy Spirit?
Yes, he says, I'd givethe Holy Spirit to him who asked?
Yep. Amen. Makes it easy? Yes, And it's also the hardest
thing you'll ever do, But it'sit's easy. It's also the best thing
you'll ever do. Oh yeah too, amen. Yeah. One eight seven

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two one nine three one three oneeight hundred seven two one nine three one
three, and we'll be talking aboutmansions. Yes, coming up, finally
get in there, yep. Cochranand Company up next with Parking Lot on
your Celebration Radio network, Hope Durstand Never Walk Alone on your Celebration Radio
Network at eighteen minutes to the topof the hour. My name is Bill,

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and in the studio with me,I have Pastor Ryan, John and
Terry and uh pre trip proops.In the gospel the mansions were there?
Oh boy, yeah, I finallymade it with yes about seventeen minutes on
the show. Okay, yeah,so they So this is this is really
a favorite among those who who promotethe idea of a pre tribulation rapture,

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which you know, we've been goingthrough all the proofs and kind of kind
of looking closely at these and thisis a really really popular one. And
this idea that you know that Jesusis making, you know, preparing mansions
in heaven for us, and he'sgoing to come and get us. That's
the rapture takes up to heaven andthen we're going to live in these wonderful,
beautiful mansions, right. And I'veheard stories of people like, you
know, oh yeah, I wentto heaven, I saw my mansion all
that, right, So okay,won't go there, but yeah, yeah,

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but Terry, can you read forus John Chapter fourteen Versus two and
three. And this is Jesus talkingin my father's house so many mansions.
If it were not so, Iwould have told you I go to prepare
a place for you. And ifI go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again and receive youto myself. That where I am

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there, you may be also,and that is the new King James version
in case you're wondering, because manyversions change the way that reads to something
accurable. So what we just readthough, so what it sounds like is
okay, so Jesus going up toHeaven my father's house. He's going to
prepare mansions for us up there,these beautiful dwellings, and then he's going
to come and rapture us. AndI agree that that's what he's describing as

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the rapture, and then take usback up to Heaven so we could live
in these mansions. Well, ifit's a post tribulation rapture, which is
which is what we teach in thisministry, right, not necessarily the station,
but the four of us here,that the rapture happens that you know,
after the seven year Great Tribulation,then that doesn't fit with our model
because if the raptures at the endof the tribulation, well Jesus isn't going

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back to Heaven after the tribulation.He's staying here to establish his father's kingdom
here on earth and then he'll ruinreign for a thousand years and then fraternity
after that. Right, So thisis a challenge for us. The first
thing I would point out, though, is so he says I'll come again
in John fourteen two and three.That is the second coming, no doubt
about it, right. And hesays to receive us to himself. That

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is the rapture. There's zero questionabout that. We're all in agreement about
that, right. One thing you'llnotice though, in verse three, Jesus
says, and if I go andprepare a place for you, I will
come again and receive you to myselfthat where I am you will be there
also right there you may be also. So what we notice there is it?
So so he comes and receives usto himself, where is he at

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that moment that he receives us tohimself? Where does the rapture take place?
Takes place here on earth? Right? Yeah, right? And and
there's no indication there that he says, I'll receive you to myself and then
take you up to heaven and thenwe're going to be together for the next
seven years. Right, And sothat's that's not the best argument in favor
of like this meaning something different.But let's let's dig in. So what

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my challenge would be is does theterm my father's house. Could that mean
something other than heaven? Okay?When he says in my father's house or
many mansions and also this term manymansions, could that mean something different than
how how people are you know,popularly interpreting? That's right, So let's

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let's actually sorry to do this toeverybody, but we're gonna look at some
actual Greek. I'm gonna try topronounce the Greek words, maybe one or
to try so, so, uh, Bill, you want to you want
to do the honors? This isthis is not going to be fun.
But but see right right in themiddle of our little slide there, uh
you you can see the Greek right? Can you read the English translation?

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Just like like the literal translation?What in the home yes of the father
of me? Remains? Many areyet no I said ever to you.
I am going to make ready placeto you. This is what we have
to deal with. So it's trickywhen you go in like the original Hebrew,

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the original Greek, and then Ithought he was going to really read
the Greek. It is transliterated thereinto English. I saw one that says
toy toy, Yeah, yeah,that one I got. That's kind of
correct. We're gonna have toys too, and birthday cake every day. So
so what I want to point outis that is that even in the so
in the literal Greek, we wedon't actually see the word mansions at all.

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Uh, and we see the youknow, the home of the father,
right, Yeah, so the wordhome there is oikeia. But like
John mentioned a moment a moment ago, uh, we typically read out the
new King James here, and that'swhere we get in my father's house rough
many mansions. Right. But well, when you look at other translations that
I think might be a little betterin this case. So for example,

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John, you want to read thatthe New Living translation, the New Living
says there is more than enough roomin my father's home. That's how they
start that off. All right,if this we're not so what I have
told you that I am going toprepare a place for you so so so
so he says, so, sothis translation there's nothing about mansions. And

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then we hear others that say thereare many rooms in my father's house,
yes, which again makes us thinklike, okay, we're going to be
up in heaven. He's going tocome and rapture us, take us back
up to heaven'r up there duringthe seven year Great Tribulation. But this
translation the New Living is actually prettygood. It says there is more than
enough room in my father's home.So it's not even an idea of like

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individual you know, dwelling places,like actual you know structures. That's saying,
look in my father's home. Whateverhe means in this case, we're
gonna, we're gonna dig into that. He's saying, there's plenty of room,
there's plenty of room in my father'syou know whatever. Right, So
so I just I just want toreally emphasize this point. There's nothing about
mansions in this verse. Jesus neversaid anything about mansions. He didn't even

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say, you know, abodes ordwelling places. He literally just means there's
plenty of room in my father's house. Okay. What's interesting is I read
in my U version Bible app justin one of the plans I'm reading this
morning, it said he will dwellwith us always for eternity, which is
what being in heaven really means,being with God. Yeah. But but

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remember we always have to emphasize thisin this in this ministry, that that
Jesus is not going to dwell foreternity in heaven. He's not going to
be there much longer. He's andand then and then he'll never like permanently
dwell in heaven again, Jesus,This is not heretical, everybody, and
we won't either. In fact,my goal in life is to never live

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in heaven. And I'm a Christianevangelical pastor, and my goal is to
never live in heaven because when Jesuscomes back after the Great Tribulation again,
he's coming to Earth to establish God'smanifest kingdom on Earth, where he'll rule
and reign for a thousand years onthis earth, and will rule with him
on Earth, and then God willcreate a new Heaven Nu Jers and new

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Earth where we will spend the restof etternity. So the whole purpose of
this planet and really this whole universeis to be an extension, an eternal
extension of God's kingdom. So sothat's that's what we're looking at. But
but but the big question here then, okay, that I think really solves
the whole puzzle, which we'll we'llget to in a second, is what
does Jesus mean by my father's house? Does that mean Heaven. So I

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think we're to take a break andthen we'll come back. We're going to
examine that. Yeah. One eighthundred seven two one nine three one three
one eight hundred seven two one ninethree one three. Torn Wells crazy about
You coming up next. Yes,he is crazy about you. That's Torn
Wells on your Celebration radio network.The phone number again, eight hundred and
seven two one nine three one three. All right, pastor Ryan, I'm

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gonna talk fast minutes because we wantto wrap this up you. You're trying
to get to this one for awhile. So mansions in Heaven so great
pre tribulation wraps your argument. Jesusis going to heaven. It's going to
build mansions for us there. He'llcome back and collect us, take us
back up to heaven. So again, Jesus never says he's going to take
us back up to heaven. Hejust says, I'm going to come to
you that where I am there youmay be also. And remember when he

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comes back at the end of thetribulation, he stays here. So but
that doesn't make sense though, becauseif my father's house means heaven, then
then then I'm twisting these verses andit's so that's this, This, I
think is is what the whole thinghinges on me. There's no hint to
mansions in Jesus' words. He says, there's plenty of room in my father's
house. So this is the clincherright here. What does he mean by

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my father's house? Okay, solet's not take the time to read the
whole passage here. But there's onlyone other time in the entire four Gospels,
the entire New Testman fit, there'sonly one other time where Jesus uses
this term my father's house. Okay, So if we look at that,
could he And it's even in thesame book. It's in the book of

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John. Right, So John chaptertwo, verses thirteen through seventeen is the
story of when Jesus went in andhe saw the money changers and the people
he made the whip and turned overall that. And look at what he
says, Terry, why don't youread verse sixteen. I'm trying to get
to the right. And he saidto those who sold doves, take these

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things away, do not make myfather's house a house of merchandise. Go
and read verse seventeen two. Thenhis disciples remembered that it was written ze
ill for your house has eaten meup. So check this out. So
Jesus says in John fourteen two,in my father's house or many mansions.
It's like he actually says, there'splenty of room my father's house. What
he actually said the only other timehe uses that that phrase, my father's

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house is here, and in thiscase is my father's house referring to heaven?
No? No, what's a referringto a temple a physical temple on
the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, inthat little country called Israel, over in
the Middle East on Earth? Yeah, right, So so what does what
could that possibly mean? Does thatmean that he's going to go to the
temple and hang out there and he'sgoing to you know, prepare a place

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for us there? Kind of okay, but but but but you know,
kind of in a symbolic sense.Right, So if we if we look
at the Book of Isaiah, chaptertwo, Versus one and three, what
the prophet rights there is is uh, you know, he's he's you know,
quoting from you know, what theFather is showing to him. He
says, now she'll come to passin the latter days. Right, So

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he's specifically referencing the times that themountain of what the Lord's House there's the
same term, right, will beestablished on the top of the mountains.
All the nations will flow to it. Come, let us go to the
mountain of the Lord, the Houseof God. And then look at the
very last line there in verse Isaiahtwo, verse three, for out of
zign s too, go up withthe law and the word of the Lord

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from Jerusalem. So in this passagewhere Isaiah is prophesying about the last days,
he says, at the times laterdays, he's the term the Lord's
house or God's house. And whatdoes he clearly mean by it? Here?
That Jerusalem on earth, it's it'sin the mountain of the Lord.
What is that? That's a templeMount Zion. That's the same mount Mount

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Zion. Right, So Isaiah istalking about the Lord's House refers to the
Holy Temple standing in Jerusalem during themillennial reign of Christ. And even beyond
right, and then Psalm two,verses six and seven, this is God
talking. Yet I've set my kingon my whole hill of Zion. Who's
his king? Well we know him? Verse seven because he says, I

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will declare the decreed. The Lordhas said to me, you are my
son today. I have begotten you, right, the only begotten son of
God. Begotten means to physically givebirth. I show this to my rabbi
friends, and they have trouble withthis one, because you know, the
Lord, our God, the Lordis one. No God says he has
a son that's physically born right herein Psalms. But what's that referring to.
It's referring to Jesus Christ, weknow, factually ruling on the Temple

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mount in the Holy Temple during thelast of the last days after the Great
Tribulation, right so so, andthen and then finally we don't have time
obviously again of this. But inEzekiel chapter forty three, back to Ezekiel,
we get some saying that, youknow, the same kind of you
know, imagery Versus one through uhone through seven, where it's describing during

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the last of the last days Jesusruling in in the in the Temple,
on the Temple mountain Jerusalem, andit and it refers to as the Lord's
house, that's his dwelling place,that's his about so so here's here's what
we're getting at. Here is whatdoes Jesus mean by in my father's house.
There's plenty of room. There's onlyone meaning for this, okay,

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and that's that's the temple in Jerusalemin other words, which is shorthand for
God's kingdom here on earth. Solet me I'm going to propose a better
translation these Final Days official version,right, So everybody, every Wed,
bear with us. But think aboutthis. This is what it's actually saying.
So see the big blue box billon slide number sixty four. Can

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you read that bill on sixty four. Yes, it's the blue box.
It's our very last flight on thistopic. And if he came Father's coming
kingdom on Earth, that yep,that's it. There will be plenty of
room. I go to prepare forthis kingdom, and I will return to

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Earth and gather my church together thereresurrection rapture, and we will remain together
there in the earthly kingdom forever.Okay, that's what he is saying.
Okay, John Chapter chapter two versusI'm sorry forteen verses two and three.
That that's what he's saying. He'ssaying, in my Father's kingdom and that

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refers the kingdom on Earth. That'swhat my father's house always means, Old
Testament and New the God's Kingdom onEarth. There's plenty of room. He's
going to go and prepare a place. He'd been preparing this kingdom for us
coming kingdom for two thousand years.Then he'll come back to Earth, gathers
to himself. That's the rapture.We all agree on that, and then
we're going to remain here together withhim on Earth in the earthly kingdom for

(50:44):
eternity will be with him forever.So that's also mansions and heavens. It's
not a pre trib argument. Itreally isn't. It's very much a post
tribulation rapture argument. So love everybodylistening, don't be mad at us.
We're just trying to rightly divide theword of truth exactly. Yes, So

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it with you each and every day. So as today continues to unfold for
us, Lord, give us yourwisdom to handle any situation we encounter.
Let our speech be seasoned with yourgrace and our thoughts pleasing to you.
We're so grateful to know that,regardless of where this day takes us,
you're there in the midst and there'sno shortage of good things in your presence.

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So Lord, I just lift upthe listeners today, praying God that
they feel your presence in all they'regoing through, no matter what it may
be, And help us to livewith a mindset on things above, to
be heavenly and kingdomly minded as wego out about our day. Lord,
So that your light shines through ourlives into this very dark world, and

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that the name of Jesus will beglorified. And in that name of Jesus
we pray Amen. Well again,thanks for allowing me to be part of
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