August 5, 2024 • 42 mins
In this episode, Bill, Terri, John, & Pastor Ryan begin a look at what is one of the most popular "proofs" of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture offered by those who promote this doctrine: the notion that John's depiction of being called up to Heaven in Revelation 4:1-2 is symbolic of the Body of Christ being Raptured before the start of the Great Tribulation and the reign of the Antichrist. Central to this argument is the fact that the word "church" does not appear anywhere in the Book of Revelation's narrative of the Tribulation and Antichrist's reign--the period that we refer to as "the seven-year Great Tribulation"--beyond Revelation 4:1 when John is "called up", and the reason for this (the argument goes) is that the Church is entirely absent from Earth during this period; because we will be "Raptured" before it begins... But is "Church" the only way that the Body of Christ might be referred to in Scripture? In fact, where the word "church" does appear in Revelation (in chapters 1, 2, 3, and 22), is it even being used this way: to refer to the Church as a whole? This is important stuff... Take a listen!
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This podcast regularly discusses these topics: Bible Study, eschatological, end of the world, End Times, Last Days, Book of Revelation, Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Post-Tribulation Rapture, Rapture, Great Tribulation, Second Coming, Third Temple, Second Coming of Christ, the Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Two Witnesses, Four Horsemen, Apocalypse, Israel
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That was how great thou art on your celebration or
radio network.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
My name is Bill.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
The phone number eight hundred seven to one nine three
one three one eight hundred seven to one ninety three
thirteen to get in a favorite prayer request or to
talk to Pastor Ryan, John Terry and I. They are
in the studio with me. Good morning, game, good morning,
and uh, it is great to have you guys back
on a regular schedule.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I know, for a little while. We're off for a
month and a half.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, that's true for a little while, a little while.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So we got some headlines in the news that I
wanted to go over and uh, I gave Ryan a
sheet of his own because that is definitely his topic,
the Middle East kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And uh uh.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Senator Lindsay Graham had a statement as well as Benjamin
Nett and Yahoo, and uh, why don't you let's start
with that, Pastor Ryan when you get a chance. Once
you read that for us and find out what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Should I just go and read the short blurb here?
So okay, so this is the latest from the Israel front.
It says Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnya who met with
Home Front met with his Home Front command Thursday, following
the threat by Iran's Ayatola Ali Khamane to strike Israel directly,
(01:20):
Israel's military and civilians are preparing foreign attack by Iran
and its proxies. It's no doubt going to happen on
multiple fronts, possibly at the same time. In the wake
of the killing of Kamas leader Ismael Hania, I've actually
been to that guy's house, not in his house, but
drove by it and looked at it in Gaza City
years ago. In Iran this week and the elimination of
(01:42):
Hezbolah's second in command, Faoud Shukur. Now, I see why
you had me read this, yep, because the name and
I'm sure I'm like butchering their names here in Beirut,
which is a capital of Lebanon. The United States plans
to back Israel militarily, and Senator Lindsay Graham says it's
time to in the s charade that the world is
playing when it comes to Kamas has Blah in Iran.
(02:04):
He added their one and the same, and of course
they are, I mean obviously so even October seventh, I mean,
uh yeah, there was it wasn't even a matter of like,
you know, there was evidence. I mean, nobody denied it.
Kamas fighters, hundreds of them, I think four hundred of
them just months earlier, had been in in Iran training
for that that attack, the October seventh attack. And Iran
(02:26):
for years has been supplying the weapons and the training
and the funds to Kamas in Gaza. So when when
Kamas started out, like in nineteen eighty eight, is when
they when they began, they actually were not connected at
all all to Iran. But over time, I mean they
needed help, they needed backing. Yeah, they became property, yeah,
one hundred percent. And the big distinction there is that
(02:46):
Kamas is actually Sunni Muslim, whereas Iran is is she
a Muslim? So there's always that kind of like, uh,
you know, tension there. But this was huge. So you
guys have been following the news over the last week
about what happened. So that so last Saturday up in
the Golden Heights, in a little village very very close
to Mount Hermon, right in the where you know Lebanon Soccer. Yeah,
(03:11):
and it wasn't even Israeli Jews, it was Israeli citizens,
but they were Drews d r u Z if you
want to look that up, which is kind of a esoteric,
little religious group. They really keep to themselves, neaf and
I when I was in Lebanon a couple years ago,
we actually met a group of them up in the
Cedar forest and had a really nice talk. One of
super nice people. But yeah, twelve little kids, you know,
(03:34):
in the age range of like maybe eight to twelve.
It looked like we're playing soccer and and Hesbela fired
a missile at an IDF base nearby. They're not great with.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Their aim of course, right, missed completely.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Indiscriminate, yeah, and hit this soccer field. And so in
response on Tuesday, just you know, a couple of days later,
Israel hit a target in Southern Bay Route. So that's
all you know, uh, because blood territory, right, and took
out a building there, killed the command or this guy
filed Shukur.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
How the body guard and some others too.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
There were there were a couple of civilians, including a
couple of children, that were in the building that got killed.
It's because LA's fault, I mean, this is this is
you know, casualties of war, right. But but they got
the guy, and and he was a guy who not
only had planned that, but did you guys happen to
catch in the news what else this guy had planned
a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It was, yeah, it was a huge issue. So I
can't remember what it was though.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So it was he was actually the one who had
planned the nineteen eighty three bombing of the marine base
so so decades ago and killed like two hundred and
forty something Marines. So this guy has been on America's
most wanted list, like a five million dollar reward for him,
for for decades, you know, since nineteen eighty three. But
(04:58):
of course the US at the current US ad minis
tration didn't bring up that point. They just brought up
a couple of kids that got killed. It's like this,
this guy was on the most wanted list, you know
for anyways, Yeah, don't get me started. But so that
was on Tuesday, and then just a few hours later
on Wednesday. So it's Mail Khania. He's he's again. He
was the for decades, the head of Kamas in Gaza,
(05:20):
not living there of course, because you know, it's not
a great life there. So he's been living in Cotterer,
you guys, right, Yeah, pretty opulent town in you know,
little tiny country, you know, on the Arabian Peninsula. I
Saudi Arabia, very very rich, right, but he's been just
living high in the hug net worth of a couple
of billion dollars. Where's that money coming from? The UN
the US of course, right, yeah, this in this guy's
(05:42):
personal bank account. But the day that October seventh happened,
I think the second I saw it on the news,
that was my first thought is that this guy his
days are numbered. I mean, he's been around for decades,
he's gone. I'm surprised to take his role this long.
But but I kind of this, this sounds awful, but
you know, bear with me here, right. I love the
way they got him, where they got him, and under
(06:03):
what circumstances. So he was actually in Tehran, the capitol
of Iran, for the inauguration ceremony of their new president.
And I can't think of his name, and I would
butcher it anyways, right, but right after the swearing in ceremony,
he goes back to his guest house and then boom.
So some accounts say that it was a missile that
was fired from outside Iran. Doesn't seem likely at all, Okay,
(06:26):
I mean, how's it that targeted of an attack? The
latest story is that there was a bomb that had
been planted in this guest house maybe a couple months ago,
and Israel was just waiting for, you know, the moment
to press the button. So but whatever happened, I mean, Israel,
it's been like this ever since World War Two, when
(06:46):
they you know, when they established themselves in an age
nineteen forty eight and start going after Nazis around the world.
And this is what Israel does. You come against them
and they're going to go right for you know, the
head of the snake, right, So what's going to happen?
So that was just Wednesday, a couple of days ago.
So that's two extremely high profile assassinations of Iran, two
(07:08):
of Iran's best friends, you know, all within the course
of you know, less than twenty four hours. So Iran literally,
right in terms of internationalations, has no choice bit to respond.
They have no choice. They have to. So this is
tricky for Iran because you remember a month or so
ago they tried this. They fired three hundred missiles at Israel.
(07:29):
I mean we're talking about icbus. Yeah, two made it
one one made it and hit the ground, and you know,
injured a a Bedouin girl, little bedowing girl, like twelve
years old, and I think she recovered. I didn't hear
the cheap cheat even pass away. So so it was
the most spectacular failure of any military attack in human history.
(07:49):
It was so embarrassing for Iran. Of course they claimed victory.
Huh right, yeah, But so the big question now is,
you know, now, what are they going to do? They
can't take a chance of another full scale missile attack
and and you know, more embarrassment. So who knows that
there's going to be something. So just keep watching the news,
and things are heating up like we've never seen ever
(08:12):
in history, right, And I don't know, maybe it's like
the End Times or something something like that. Starting to think,
after after all.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
This, I'm kind of leaning that way.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And keep in mind that biblical prophecy specifically says that
the two main belligerents in this great End Times war
that will culminate in what we call the Battle of
Armageddon is Israel and Iran. Right, and the United States
is also depicted throughout the whole story, not by name,
of course, right, but clearly the US is throughout that
the whole end time story supporting Israel fighting against the Antichrist,
(08:46):
who's backed by Iran, who's backed by Russia. This is,
this is I'm not talking about the news today. I'm
talking about Bible prophecy thousands of hours ago. So are
we in the end times? I mean, is this stuff
coming to has come on?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, can't make the step.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Out, so no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, Okay, so there was Okay, so I did my piece.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yes, yeah, And we'll get to the good news and
what's been happening in some of the Olympics, and I
want to talk about something that happened there with a
couple of Olympians, and also what happened in California just
a few days ago with Pastor Greg Glory and his
gang at Pirate's Cope.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So we'll talk all about that coming up here in
a little bit. The phone number again, eight hundred seven
nine three, three hundred seven one ninety three thirteen, John
Reddick up next, We Don't Fight Alone on Your Celebration
Radio Network. Good morning, Your Celebration Radio Network. Hey, good
morning Bill, Good morning Ike.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, good good memory. Good whatever put you in a
contest with miss wut there.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Man, uh, God planted my prayer from two days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Oh really yeah, I good.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
H concern of a health.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Concern, yes, I know we prayed for it.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, you pray. And then why is it that after
fifty years of walking with Jesus, when he moves mightily
and and all that, I'm surprised and like, wait, why
isn't the issue still there? Trying to put it back?
Then I go, you know, wait, I called into the
station and people stretched out their hands towards the radio. Anyway,
(10:29):
Praise God. My prayer was answered. Tom. The other day
it was me and Rick where the keep prayer replest?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't know how Rick's doing.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But may yeah, still need still needs prayer.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Okay, remember Rick and Ryan and I don't know if
there's a third guy there in your studio, but.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, John and Terry are here as well.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yep, Okay, Yeah, And I appreciate him bringing up the
fact that that, uh they root bombing was such a
tragedy and stuff, and to know that in sense of
justice was done. That's I'm sure there's a lot of
grieving parents and stuff that you know, have a sense
of closure and stuff to a degree, you know on that.
(11:11):
So anyway, enjoy your guys show this morning. Bless you
and have a great pride and wonderful weekend and Sabbath
Day and Sunday.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah you as well, brother, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Okay, bye bye bye, Yes, looking for you. That's Zach
Williams and Doty Pardon on your Celebration Radio Network at
eighteen minutes to the top of the hour. My name
is Bill, and in the studio with me, it's Pastor Ryan,
John and Terry And good morning again, gang, good morning,
and thank you so much for being here today. Thanks
for having us all enjoy this privilege.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, really good time.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So there's been a couple of articles in the news
about the Olympics, and one of them, when it was
the opening ceremony that we have all had the fortunate.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Opportunity to see.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You could say, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It, No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And I haven't been keeping up really with the Olympics.
I don't really watch the Olympics unless it's the Winter
Olympics because I love Hockey's I watch his winter Yeah,
and so, but the some of the people that have
been participating in the Olympics. Some US athletes point to
(12:32):
Christ as the strength behind their success, and he's glorified
in that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is one of the.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Teammates in the American Olympics, the bronze medal winner gymnast
ending a sixteen year drought in Paris, gymnast Brody Malone.
The big moment included a personal comeback from him, and
he delivered a strong performance in every competition on Monday,
(13:00):
recovering from a disastrous opening night where he had several falls.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So that is really cool.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
But his Christian faith was on display, and so is
someone else's. And it's a female athlete in the Olympics.
And do you have that Terry was because she's female.
I wanted to hear it a little bit about.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
It and just pulled up a different article for Brody.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, neither, Oh okay, somebody else.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Yeah, this is from Skygrime. She's a representing youth with
a mission.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh yeah, I remember Sky. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
There.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
She's actually from Heavenly Catches where we're broadcasting from very
nice young ladies. She's like eighteen, nineteen twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Maybe she's from Calvary, isn't she.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yes, she's maybe twenty years old. Yeah, so she's really young.
She's with your youth with a mission, and they're out
in Paris right now dicipling and witnessing to people. And
as of this is a post she put up yesterday
she says we're halfway through our Olympic outreach. So here's
the total stats so far. Two thousand, two hundred and
(14:13):
eighty one people heard the gospel.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
One hundred and seventy six people gave their lives to Jesus,
fifty eight people got healed, one thousand, six hundred ninety
seven people were prayed for, one thousand and fifty one
bibles or tracks were distributed, sixteen seventy two heard a
testimony of someone's life, one thousand and nine people received
(14:36):
acts of compassion, and one hundred seven people got connected
to a local church.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Wow. Wow. Cool.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Now there was a huge rally of twenty five thousand
people that had taken place after that opening ceremony, kind
of like in protest, but yet they were sharing, you know,
they were sharing the good news, and there was some
evangelists out there and music and and just an incredible
sight when you got the Eiffel Tower in the back,
(15:04):
you know, the background and You've got thousands of people
in front of it and gathering in the name of Jesus,
which is really cool. In this other article that we
have so keep praying for the athletes in the Olympics,
and they're sharing their faith. I know that a lot
of the news networks cut them off and don't even
(15:25):
show the full you know, words that they are sharing,
especially when they bring up how God is important to
them and in Jesus. And but another event happened here
in the United States. And we've been seeing these for
the last few months in Florida and in California, and
now we have another two thousand people baptized in a
(15:48):
New Jesus Revolution of VT Pirate's Co. And Pastor Greg
Glory of Harvest Christian Fellowship in California celebrating this another
massive baptism turnout at Pirate's Co. It's the largest sign
that the or the latest sign rather of the nationwide
move of God that kicked into high gear with the
(16:09):
Asberry Awakening of last year.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It isn't over yet, no guys.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Now, the Book of Joel tells us that God's going
to pour out his spirit upon all flesh in the
last days, So they got a glimpse of it in
the Book of Acts in chapter two, and we are
seeing the continuation of the Book of Acts. It's the
only book that doesn't actually you know, say Amen at
(16:35):
the end, you know, kind of because the church is continuing.
So it's continuing to unfold, and we are just beginning
to see thirty five hundred people said the Sinner's Prayer
at this thing as well. So I mean there's there's
just yeah, it's incredible and really adible. Aster Greg Glorian
(16:58):
and his group there at Harvest Church is not the
only church that's been doing this. There's been churches in
Florida and Texas and other places that are having mass
baptism that they're doing in fountains. Yeah, when there's no
lake or river or ocean, you know, to baptized people in.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
So yeah, yeah water.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Yeah, it's like it always reminds me of the story
of the Uniche. Remember the Unich And yeah, well there's
some water right there.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, let's go yeah, yeah exactly, So very cool and
uh it is just another sign that we are getting
closer to Jesus's return.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yes, in times Harvest yet to pass, so.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
So we will look more into that with the pre
trib proofs in the Book of Revelation coming up in
just a few minutes, So stay tuned eight hundred seven
to two one ninety three one three one, eight hundred
and seven to one ninety three thirteen. Hannaker coming up
next with Changed on your Celebration Radio network.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
When you follow Jesus, you get changed.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yes for a sprink and good day hey on your
Celebration Radio and network. Almost five minutes to the top
of the hour. The phone number again eight hundred seven
to one nine three one three one, eight hundred seven
to two one ninety three thirteen.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And in the.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Studio with me is Pastor Ryan, John and Terry and
good morning again, Gang, and morning again, good morning to
you out there. And as they say radio Land, thank
you for joining us. I appreciate that we heard from
Ike earlier and answered to prayer. You wanted to let
us know that when we prayed on Wednesday for him
that the answer came and he appreciates your prayers.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, So all.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Right, okay, well shall we dive in, dive in, yes, yes,
we both both feet into the deep area. So so
we're going to start this morning, we're going to pivot
into kind of a new topic that that really it's
a very very big topic, and it's going to take
us a lot of different places, and we're going to
see a lot of a lot of things about the
end time story, you know, digging deep in the Book
(18:57):
of Revelation here. So it's gonna be a fun one.
So the kind of overarching question, which I think will
be exciting to everybody listening right is, you know, how
is the body of Christ depicted in the Book of Revelation.
You know, where do we show up? Et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah,
it's gonna be a good time. So just just a
(19:18):
little bit of a you know what actually before we
get into like the context in the background of the
two verses that Terry's about to read, why don't why
don't you go and read those Terry, and then we'll
explain where we're at and where we're going.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Okay, this is from a Revelation four chapter of chapter four,
verses one and two. After these things, I looked and
behold a door standing open in heaven. And the first
voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying,
come up, here, and I will show you things which
must must take place after this. Immediately I was in
this spirit, and behold a throne set in heaven, and
(19:53):
one sat on the throne.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, so this is the Apostle John speaking, right, and
and just again to give a little bit of context here,
So this is the very beginning of Revelation chapter four.
All right. So everything that came before this Revelation chapter one,
if you go look at it, is just an introduction. Okay.
So so John gets this amazing vision of Jesus, Jesus
(20:15):
comes to speak with him, a lot of symbolism presented,
you know, and then chapters two and three of the
book Revelation are do you guys remember seven letters? Yeah,
the seven Letters to the seven Churches. So there's a
lot in there, a lot to unpackether, but you know,
we're not going there this morning, of course. So basically
the point is this is that the story doesn't actually
(20:36):
start the story of the book Revelation and tell what
Terry just read. So Revelation chapter four is the beginning
of the story. Very important point here though, is that
it's not the beginning of the story of the end times. Okay,
that doesn't start and tell chapter five. So chapter four
is the beginning of the story in terms of where
John goes. We're talking two thousand years ago when that's happened,
(21:00):
the prophecy, you know what it looks like. So, so
what what do you guys see happening in these two verses.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Here is a door opening, and he's there in heaven.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right, yeah, So so John, he's on earth, he's on
the isle of Patmos, right, and here's a voice and
he gets he gets he hears his voice that says,
you know, come up here. And then he finds himself
in heaven. And does he mean spiritually physically? We we
don't know. It's like when Paul when he got caught
to the Third Heaven. Whether it was spiritual, inspirit or
in body, he didn't know, right, So, so this is
(21:33):
not unprecedented somebody getting called up to heaven in some
form to receive a word, to receive a vision, right,
this a big vision that John's about to about to say.
So now he's in the he's in the throne room
of God. So so here's the thing is that these
two verses are are really utilized quite a bit in
in times teaching and in particular to establish the timing
(21:58):
of the rapture. Okay, so yes, we're gonna get back
into that topic a little bit. O boy again, we're
gonna bounce around a lot, We're gonna look at a
lot of different things. But uh so so, way back
in nineteen ninety nine, doctor Tim Lahey wrote a book
called Revelation Unveiled And uh, Bill, do you wanna do
you have on your screen to the next slide. Yeah,
we'll have to get to that next uh okay, okay, yeah,
(22:21):
So well, so we come back, We're gonna we're gonna
look at doctor Lahay's commentary on the two verses the
Terry just read, and then we'll take it from there again.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
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Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yep, here, I do want to say something really quick,
and I'm going to talk really fast because they do
talk fast because the one radio. Hey, one of the
things is we talk about the end times here a lot.
Of course that's our main goal. So we talk about
the different views and perspectives of you know, pre trib,
mid trib, post trib, pantrim, whatever you want to call it.
You know when the raptor is going to happen, when
Jesus comes back. And we discussed a lot of that
(23:27):
and got a lot of different things, and a lot
of people call this the non essentials because this doesn't
have anything to do with your salvation. So turning your
life over to Christ and surrendering to him and following
him is still the number one thing we all need
to do.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes, right it is.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, So I and I love what you just said. Yes,
can I add a little something to that?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Just yes, I wanted you too, but I'm going to
let you do that.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Go ahead, you're gonna add something. Oh, I was just
going to say that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
You know, we say it's a non essential, but that
has to do with salvation. As far as the end
times go and what's going to happen, you need to
have your eyes open and you need to know what's
actually going to happen, because there is going to be
the great apostacy of the great falling away, which is
caused by it's a great deception. And so you need
(24:15):
to be strong in the word of God and know
what Jesus said Matthew twenty four in particular, and exactly
what John is saying in his prophecy, and how all
that goes back and reflects on the Old Testament, New
Testament and everything that's been said and how it all
pans out. Because you need to understand that. Yeah, because
if you don't, you could be great of the part
of the great falling away.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
And here's the thing, so Paul, And second, yeah, what
you're referring to here, Paul. And second that's on News
chapter two, versus one through four. And by the way,
this was this was literally like the whole discussion yesterday
on the Africa TikTok that we did. So everybody listening,
go to Thesefinal Days dot org and then you could
link over to our YouTube channel, which is YouTube dot com.
Forward size to these Final Days and look for the
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tfd in aw TikTok playlist and the one that I
just posted yesterday had Pastor J and myself and that
this is what we're talking about. Right So, so in
those four verses second Thessalians two, verse one through four,
the apostle, Paul actually goes into detail about what John
just said, right so during so right now today this morning,
it's it's not of course, it's not a salvation issue.
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You know, you can you can you know, I mean,
we all have different you know, beliefs, and there's I
should say it like this. There are a lot of
different views out there, a lot of different teachings about
the time of the rapture. And here's a question. Does
the body of Christ remain on earth for the seven
year Great Tribulation and the three and a half year
reign of the Anti Christ. None of us want the
answer to be yes, okay, but Paul specifically says in
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those four verses that that that that what we believe
about the timing of the rapture. Okay, in relation to
the reign of the anti Christ. Actually is specific what
he means by the great end times deception. He used
the word to say they're over and over if you
look at all twelve verses, right right, uh. And then
he says, if you're deceived about this one point, the
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time of the rept how do we get into this already,
my guy, about this one point, then you are susceptible
to what is called the great falling away. The Greek
word is a past to see you. It means apasta see,
it means falling away from the face. So so it's
it's it's an important topic that we're getting into here. Boy, John,
I was not going to go there yet. But that's cold.
Let's let's you know, let's get the party started, to
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get that head in there. So you know, so it's
a it's a touchy topic. It's but everybody, you know,
we're all believers in Christ. We're brothers and sisters, we
love each other, we walk in love. Iron sharpens iron.
Let's just look at the word together. Let's just see
what says. We're doing a Bible study here, right exactly, so,
way back in nineteen ninety nine. It's been a long
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time now, twenty five years now, right, doctor Tim pay Yeah.
And if you're yeah, yeah, if you're if you're gen Z,
you've ever heard of this guy?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And I keep going back to this reference, and I'm thinking, gosh,
now I'm like dating myself by always pointing to this
book from nineteen ninety nine. But it's because doctor Lahey
really wrote what we could almost call like the bible
of this idea of the pre tribulation rapture. Okay, meaning
you know, pretty much every teaching you hear on it
today is based on this one book.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
And that's the quintessential pre rapture book.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, it really, it really is. He really codified the
whole idea, the whole theory of the pre tribulation Rencher.
So that's what we go about this. It also keeps
us out of the mindfield of bringing up current popular
teachers and writers, which we don't want to get to.
We don't want to be controversial here, not at all.
We're not here for that. So so Bill, do we
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even have time in this segment now.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
To read No? Okay, sorry, no, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
No, that was that was excellent. The foundation there is
so so hope you're getting people excited about this topic.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, when we come back, we'll get into the rapture
before Tribulation passage in that book by Tim Lahay. So
Matthew West with Don't Stop Praying is coming up next
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Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, we are.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Twenty five minutes to the top of the hour on
your Celebration Radio network. And this is built a phone
number eight hundred seven two one nine three one three
one eight hundred and seven two one ninety three thirteen.
In the studio with me is Pastor Ryan, John and
Terry for just a few more minutes. Yeah, it's twenty
five minutes or so. You guys hang out usually till
about eight o'clock. So, yeah, we were discussing Tim Lahay's book,
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Book of Revelation.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It's it's it's called it's called Revelation.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Revelation Unveiled and uh. In this uh book it says
this after the revelation for one and two, which Terry
shared with us a little bit ago. It says it
was no coincidence that the first thing to happen after
John has described the seven churches, which we have seen
represent not only a message to each individual church, but
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also to the seven periods of church history, is his
being taken up into heaven. Inasmuch as John was the
last remaining apostle and a member of the Universal Church,
his elevation to heaven is a picture of the rapture
of the Church just before the tribulation begins.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Okay, so end quote. So we're really big statement by
by doctri laheesa. What what what Tim Leahy is saying
here is that you know John being called up to
heaven in Revelation chapter four, verses one and two, that
this is this is right before he receives a vision.
So this would be you know, in the in the
chronology of the Book of Revelation, this is before the
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greater regulation, before the way of the Ender Christ. And
this is this is actually a little little like clue
to as it's like a symbol of the Church being
raptured to to heaven before all that starts. And you know,
interesting on the surface, right, you know, that's the claim
that this has become again one of the top ten
arguments in favor of this idea of a pre tribulation rapture.
(30:13):
Any teacher that teaches that that, you know idea, uh,
they're gonna they're going to point to this as as
part of their you know, their arsenal right, to to
prove that point. So what do you guys think, I mean?
Is that what it is? That what it feels like
to you? I think this is an archetype of the rapture.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
No, no, no, because if it was, then Paul when
he met Jesus on the road to Damascus is also
the same.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Thing because of what happened in the story.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Because Paul even says that I don't know where I was.
I don't know if I was caught up to the
Third Heaven. I don't know where I was at. I
don't know what actually happened, but I did meet Jesus.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, he says, he says, somewhere, then.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
We should all be raptured already because that happened way
back when Paul met Jesus. So, yeah, that that argument
doesn't hold anywhere in here. Yeah, it's like I said earlier,
it's it's it's like sagetically reading into the scripture what
you want it to say, and you can't say that.
You got to let the scripture talk to you. Yeah,
it's that's exegetical. You got to let's let the scripture
say what it's trying to say.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Sorry, no, it's good.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
So what what is isogesus and exeges Okay.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
So iogetic our is to Jesus is actually reading into
the scripture what you believe the scripture says, or what
you want it the Senate to say. Yeah, so you're
reading into it. Exogetical is you're actually let in the
scripture tell you what it's saying. You're not reading into it,
you're not putting any of your stuff in. You actually
know the history content, what's going on in that story,
what's happening in the Bible, and you're letting it speak
(31:37):
to you for what it actually was intended to say.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
And you know, of course every teacher like us we're
teaching here right, is going to claim, well, I don't
do the ice is of Jesus thing, I do the
Exegesus things. And so you know it's up to the
audience to decide. Again, I'm going to get into a
bunch of scripture and then everybody can decide for themselves
what they think they're seeing there. One thing I like
about what what Tim Lhay presents here is that I
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think that at the very least he's implying something that
I firmly agree with, which is that the Book of
Revelation is in chronological order. Okay, it's at least acknowledging
that idea.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
So a lot of teachers teach that it's not that
it is just this big, chaotic, confusing mess of you know,
all these different events and they're out of order and
all that. And God's not the author of chaos, so
you know, he's not that, you know, his final parting
written word to mankind, the Book of Revelation is not
going to be a big jumbled mess that that would
be useless to us. We'd never So the Book Revelation
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is one hundred percent in chronological orders. So so so.
One tricky thing though about doctor Lahey putting the rapture
in Revelation chapter four, verse one is first of all,
Revelation Chapter four again, as I said earlier, is not
part of the chronology of the end times. The entire
chapter Chapter four is just John being up in heaven,
(32:58):
you know, taken up to heaven to receive this whole
prophecy right way. More to the point is that Revelation
chapters five, six, and seven describe the prelude to the
Great Tribulation, which incidentally takes place over a period of
about two hundred and fifty years, or more between two
hundred and fifty and three hundred years. Talk about that later,
(33:20):
but the point is that the actual Great Tribulation doesn't
even start until Revelation chapter eight, which means that if
John being taken up to heaven in Revelation chapter four
is symbolic of the time of the rapture, that means
that the rapture should have happened back in the middle
of the seventeen hundreds. That's a fact, okay, based on
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you know, again that all the stuff that Revelation describes
from there as the prelude to the Great Tribulation. So
so so at first glance, it just you know, kind
of doesn't fit a couple of other small points. Then
we need to go to music, So I do I
have like thirty seconds. So also if if if that's true,
(34:03):
that the location of John during this this vision during
the Book of Revelation is indicative of the location of
the church. Revelation, chapter thirteen, it says John says, then
I stood on the sand of the sea, and I
saw a beast rising up out of the sea. So
does that mean that halfway through the Great Tribulation the
whole church is back on a beach somewhere. I'm sorry,
it's kind of a small point. I mean, I'm being
(34:24):
nipicky here, just making a point. Revelation chapter seventeen, kind
of like toward the end of the Great Tribulation, John says,
so he he this angel carried me away in the
spirit into the wilderness.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Again.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's on earth. So is the whole body of Christ.
You know, it just it just it just isn't fitting,
like really really well. But there's a much bigger point
that doctor Lahey is making here that we're going to
have a lot of fun when it's going to take
a few shows. Everybody, get ready. But but we'll describe
what that is when we come back after the break. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Seventy nine, eight hundred two one ninety three thirteen. Elevation
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
Good Friday morning. Yes, let it begin.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
That is Big Daddy Weave on your Celebration Radio Network.
We're almost a ten minutes to the top of the hour,
which I can't believe.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
It's help. Yeah, you're having fun and we are having fun.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Royes, Yeah, ast Ryan, John and Terry are in the
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Speaker 3 (35:31):
So all right, So so the last segment we talked about,
you know this idea that doctor Lahey presented right that
that John and chapter chapter four versus Revelation that I'm sorry,
chapter chapter four of the Book of Revelation, verses one
and two. That that's a type and shadow. That's an art.
It's symbolic of the rapture taking place before the tribulation. Uh,
(35:52):
there's there's a crux to this argument that that he's making. Okay,
there's a there's a deeper point here. So I forgot
to say this during our break just now, or can
somebody scroll ahead to slide number ninety five. You'll see
a picture of the book book again Revelation Unveiled, and
whoever gets there first.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Is the absence of any mention of the Church.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So John's got it.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Okay, So the absence so this is from Timblahay Revelation Unveiled.
He says the absence of any mention of the Church,
and the rest of Revelation indicates that it is not
on earth during the tribulation.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, listen again, huge argument that to this day is
being made daily around the world. Different teachers, right, so,
and we're not going to name names here, but but
but a lot of our you know favorite you know
teachers out there, preachers you know, very very large churches
and ministries who teach this topic the time of the rapture,
and they believe in a pretribuation rapture. This is by
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far one of their favorite points to make his look
after after John gets called to Heaven and Revelation chapter four,
the Church is never you know mentioned again throughout the
whole rest of the book of Revelation when the tribulations
describe when the reign of the Antichrist is described so clearly,
I mean, it's obvious we're not mentioned because we're not
here during that time. Okay, somebody want to like get
(37:09):
started on this point, and I know we can't like
get into it sure this show, but yeah, we don't
have a lot of time.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Just let's just put the word out there. The word
is the elect, right, that's what we're looking at. So
the church is mentioned throughout the rest of Revelation. They
just call them. He always calls them the elect, the
people who follow Christ.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
So so here's the thing. So the word church. So this,
this is the argument, is that you don't see this
term that church or the word church anywhere else throughout
the rest of the book Revelation, which isn't quite true.
That word shows up again at the very end chapter twenty.
But basically, you know, where the book Revelation describes the
tribulation and the r of the anti Christ, you don't
see the word church at all. So let me just
(37:49):
ask the three of you, is there any other saints, servants, servants,
those who follow Christ, those who have the witness of Christ,
those who have the blood of the land. So there's
a lot of different ways that the Church, the body
of Christ can be referred to other than just the
word church. And in fact, if you do a word
(38:10):
study in the Book of Revelation. Just look for that
word church. It shows up eleven times in the Book
of Revelation. Okay, and can I tell you something In
every single case, it's never talking about the church anyways. Okay.
The word church in the Book Revelation never is referring
to the body of Christ. Okay, It's referring to the
seven individual churches we said earlier Revelation chapters two and three,
(38:34):
the seven Letters. Every time you see the church in
the Book of Revelation. So so you know, to the
church in Philadelphia, write this, to the church in Ephesus,
write this to the church in Laodicea. And this is God.
This is God's message to the churches, meaning those seven churches.
So the point is that the church never means Christians
in general, right in the book Revelation. But yeah, so again,
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so this is this is the argument. It's a huge
way one. It's everybody hears them there like, oh yeah,
that proves it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
So what we want to do going forward to the
next you know, a few shows, I mean knowing us right.
It's gonna be fun though, because we're gonna go to
a lot of different places in the book Revelation and
throughout the Word of God. So there's a lot to
learn here, not just this specific, you know question, but
but in future shows, you know, coming up the next
you know, like we're going to do one in two weeks.
(39:23):
I think, uh, well, we're going to start looking at
the Book of Revelation beyond chapter four and with this
question in mind, is the body of Christ depicted in
the Book Revelation? And specifically is it depicted on earth
during the seven year Great Tribulation and the three and
a half year reign of the Antichrist? And everybody can
(39:46):
probably guess what our answer is already. Yeah, But but
you know it's up to the audience to do. Everybody,
we have to decide for ourselves. Be filled with the
Holy Spirit, continually give them the Word of God yourself
and iron sharpens iron. Let's just let's just have fun
with the word. You know. This this is gonna be a
good one.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It is, Yeah, lots of fun.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
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Oh is that our last was that our last segment
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Yeah? All right?
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
My name is Bill.
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The phone number eight hundred seven to one nine three
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thirteen to get in a favorite prayer request or to
talk to Pastor Ryan, John Terry and I. They are
in the studio with me. Good morning, game, good morning,
and uh, it is great to have you guys back
on a regular schedule.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I know, for a little while. We're off for a
month and a half.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, that's true for a little while, a little while.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So we got some headlines in the news that I
wanted to go over and uh, I gave Ryan a
sheet of his own because that is definitely his topic,
the Middle East kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And uh uh.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Senator Lindsay Graham had a statement as well as Benjamin
Nett and Yahoo, and uh, why don't you let's start
with that, Pastor Ryan when you get a chance. Once
you read that for us and find out what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Should I just go and read the short blurb here?
So okay, so this is the latest from the Israel front.
It says Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnya who met with
Home Front met with his Home Front command Thursday, following
the threat by Iran's Ayatola Ali Khamane to strike Israel directly,
(01:20):
Israel's military and civilians are preparing foreign attack by Iran
and its proxies. It's no doubt going to happen on
multiple fronts, possibly at the same time. In the wake
of the killing of Kamas leader Ismael Hania, I've actually
been to that guy's house, not in his house, but
drove by it and looked at it in Gaza City
years ago. In Iran this week and the elimination of
(01:42):
Hezbolah's second in command, Faoud Shukur. Now, I see why
you had me read this, yep, because the name and
I'm sure I'm like butchering their names here in Beirut,
which is a capital of Lebanon. The United States plans
to back Israel militarily, and Senator Lindsay Graham says it's
time to in the s charade that the world is
playing when it comes to Kamas has Blah in Iran.
(02:04):
He added their one and the same, and of course
they are, I mean obviously so even October seventh, I mean,
uh yeah, there was it wasn't even a matter of like,
you know, there was evidence. I mean, nobody denied it.
Kamas fighters, hundreds of them, I think four hundred of
them just months earlier, had been in in Iran training
for that that attack, the October seventh attack. And Iran
(02:26):
for years has been supplying the weapons and the training
and the funds to Kamas in Gaza. So when when
Kamas started out, like in nineteen eighty eight, is when
they when they began, they actually were not connected at
all all to Iran. But over time, I mean they
needed help, they needed backing. Yeah, they became property, yeah,
one hundred percent. And the big distinction there is that
(02:46):
Kamas is actually Sunni Muslim, whereas Iran is is she
a Muslim? So there's always that kind of like, uh,
you know, tension there. But this was huge. So you
guys have been following the news over the last week
about what happened. So that so last Saturday up in
the Golden Heights, in a little village very very close
to Mount Hermon, right in the where you know Lebanon Soccer. Yeah,
(03:11):
and it wasn't even Israeli Jews, it was Israeli citizens,
but they were Drews d r u Z if you
want to look that up, which is kind of a esoteric,
little religious group. They really keep to themselves, neaf and
I when I was in Lebanon a couple years ago,
we actually met a group of them up in the
Cedar forest and had a really nice talk. One of
super nice people. But yeah, twelve little kids, you know,
(03:34):
in the age range of like maybe eight to twelve.
It looked like we're playing soccer and and Hesbela fired
a missile at an IDF base nearby. They're not great with.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Their aim of course, right, missed completely.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Indiscriminate, yeah, and hit this soccer field. And so in
response on Tuesday, just you know, a couple of days later,
Israel hit a target in Southern Bay Route. So that's
all you know, uh, because blood territory, right, and took
out a building there, killed the command or this guy
filed Shukur.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
How the body guard and some others too.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
There were there were a couple of civilians, including a
couple of children, that were in the building that got killed.
It's because LA's fault, I mean, this is this is
you know, casualties of war, right. But but they got
the guy, and and he was a guy who not
only had planned that, but did you guys happen to
catch in the news what else this guy had planned
a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It was, yeah, it was a huge issue. So I
can't remember what it was though.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So it was he was actually the one who had
planned the nineteen eighty three bombing of the marine base
so so decades ago and killed like two hundred and
forty something Marines. So this guy has been on America's
most wanted list, like a five million dollar reward for him,
for for decades, you know, since nineteen eighty three. But
(04:58):
of course the US at the current US ad minis
tration didn't bring up that point. They just brought up
a couple of kids that got killed. It's like this,
this guy was on the most wanted list, you know
for anyways, Yeah, don't get me started. But so that
was on Tuesday, and then just a few hours later
on Wednesday. So it's Mail Khania. He's he's again. He
was the for decades, the head of Kamas in Gaza,
(05:20):
not living there of course, because you know, it's not
a great life there. So he's been living in Cotterer,
you guys, right, Yeah, pretty opulent town in you know,
little tiny country, you know, on the Arabian Peninsula. I
Saudi Arabia, very very rich, right, but he's been just
living high in the hug net worth of a couple
of billion dollars. Where's that money coming from? The UN
the US of course, right, yeah, this in this guy's
(05:42):
personal bank account. But the day that October seventh happened,
I think the second I saw it on the news,
that was my first thought is that this guy his
days are numbered. I mean, he's been around for decades,
he's gone. I'm surprised to take his role this long.
But but I kind of this, this sounds awful, but
you know, bear with me here, right. I love the
way they got him, where they got him, and under
(06:03):
what circumstances. So he was actually in Tehran, the capitol
of Iran, for the inauguration ceremony of their new president.
And I can't think of his name, and I would
butcher it anyways, right, but right after the swearing in ceremony,
he goes back to his guest house and then boom.
So some accounts say that it was a missile that
was fired from outside Iran. Doesn't seem likely at all, Okay,
(06:26):
I mean, how's it that targeted of an attack? The
latest story is that there was a bomb that had
been planted in this guest house maybe a couple months ago,
and Israel was just waiting for, you know, the moment
to press the button. So but whatever happened, I mean, Israel,
it's been like this ever since World War Two, when
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they you know, when they established themselves in an age
nineteen forty eight and start going after Nazis around the world.
And this is what Israel does. You come against them
and they're going to go right for you know, the
head of the snake, right, So what's going to happen?
So that was just Wednesday, a couple of days ago.
So that's two extremely high profile assassinations of Iran, two
(07:08):
of Iran's best friends, you know, all within the course
of you know, less than twenty four hours. So Iran literally,
right in terms of internationalations, has no choice bit to respond.
They have no choice. They have to. So this is
tricky for Iran because you remember a month or so
ago they tried this. They fired three hundred missiles at Israel.
(07:29):
I mean we're talking about icbus. Yeah, two made it
one one made it and hit the ground, and you know,
injured a a Bedouin girl, little bedowing girl, like twelve
years old, and I think she recovered. I didn't hear
the cheap cheat even pass away. So so it was
the most spectacular failure of any military attack in human history.
(07:49):
It was so embarrassing for Iran. Of course they claimed victory.
Huh right, yeah, But so the big question now is,
you know, now, what are they going to do? They
can't take a chance of another full scale missile attack
and and you know, more embarrassment. So who knows that
there's going to be something. So just keep watching the news,
and things are heating up like we've never seen ever
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in history, right, And I don't know, maybe it's like
the End Times or something something like that. Starting to think,
after after all.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
This, I'm kind of leaning that way.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And keep in mind that biblical prophecy specifically says that
the two main belligerents in this great End Times war
that will culminate in what we call the Battle of
Armageddon is Israel and Iran. Right, and the United States
is also depicted throughout the whole story, not by name,
of course, right, but clearly the US is throughout that
the whole end time story supporting Israel fighting against the Antichrist,
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who's backed by Iran, who's backed by Russia. This is,
this is I'm not talking about the news today. I'm
talking about Bible prophecy thousands of hours ago. So are
we in the end times? I mean, is this stuff
coming to has come on?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, can't make the step.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Out, so no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, Okay, so there was Okay, so I did my piece.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yes, yeah, And we'll get to the good news and
what's been happening in some of the Olympics, and I
want to talk about something that happened there with a
couple of Olympians, and also what happened in California just
a few days ago with Pastor Greg Glory and his
gang at Pirate's Cope.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So we'll talk all about that coming up here in
a little bit. The phone number again, eight hundred seven
nine three, three hundred seven one ninety three thirteen, John
Reddick up next, We Don't Fight Alone on Your Celebration
Radio Network. Good morning, Your Celebration Radio Network. Hey, good
morning Bill, Good morning Ike.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, good good memory. Good whatever put you in a
contest with miss wut there.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Man, uh, God planted my prayer from two days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Oh really yeah, I good.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
H concern of a health.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Concern, yes, I know we prayed for it.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, you pray. And then why is it that after
fifty years of walking with Jesus, when he moves mightily
and and all that, I'm surprised and like, wait, why
isn't the issue still there? Trying to put it back?
Then I go, you know, wait, I called into the
station and people stretched out their hands towards the radio. Anyway,
(10:29):
Praise God. My prayer was answered. Tom. The other day
it was me and Rick where the keep prayer replest?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't know how Rick's doing.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But may yeah, still need still needs prayer.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Okay, remember Rick and Ryan and I don't know if
there's a third guy there in your studio, but.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, John and Terry are here as well.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yep, Okay, Yeah, And I appreciate him bringing up the
fact that that, uh they root bombing was such a
tragedy and stuff, and to know that in sense of
justice was done. That's I'm sure there's a lot of
grieving parents and stuff that you know, have a sense
of closure and stuff to a degree, you know on that.
(11:11):
So anyway, enjoy your guys show this morning. Bless you
and have a great pride and wonderful weekend and Sabbath
Day and Sunday.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah you as well, brother, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Okay, bye bye bye, Yes, looking for you. That's Zach
Williams and Doty Pardon on your Celebration Radio Network at
eighteen minutes to the top of the hour. My name
is Bill, and in the studio with me, it's Pastor Ryan,
John and Terry And good morning again, gang, good morning,
and thank you so much for being here today. Thanks
for having us all enjoy this privilege.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, really good time.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So there's been a couple of articles in the news
about the Olympics, and one of them, when it was
the opening ceremony that we have all had the fortunate.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Opportunity to see.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You could say, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It, No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And I haven't been keeping up really with the Olympics.
I don't really watch the Olympics unless it's the Winter
Olympics because I love Hockey's I watch his winter Yeah,
and so, but the some of the people that have
been participating in the Olympics. Some US athletes point to
(12:32):
Christ as the strength behind their success, and he's glorified
in that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is one of the.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Teammates in the American Olympics, the bronze medal winner gymnast
ending a sixteen year drought in Paris, gymnast Brody Malone.
The big moment included a personal comeback from him, and
he delivered a strong performance in every competition on Monday,
(13:00):
recovering from a disastrous opening night where he had several falls.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So that is really cool.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
But his Christian faith was on display, and so is
someone else's. And it's a female athlete in the Olympics.
And do you have that Terry was because she's female.
I wanted to hear it a little bit about.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
It and just pulled up a different article for Brody.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, neither, Oh okay, somebody else.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Yeah, this is from Skygrime. She's a representing youth with
a mission.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh yeah, I remember Sky. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
There.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
She's actually from Heavenly Catches where we're broadcasting from very
nice young ladies. She's like eighteen, nineteen twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Maybe she's from Calvary, isn't she.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yes, she's maybe twenty years old. Yeah, so she's really young.
She's with your youth with a mission, and they're out
in Paris right now dicipling and witnessing to people. And
as of this is a post she put up yesterday
she says we're halfway through our Olympic outreach. So here's
the total stats so far. Two thousand, two hundred and
(14:13):
eighty one people heard the gospel.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
One hundred and seventy six people gave their lives to Jesus,
fifty eight people got healed, one thousand, six hundred ninety
seven people were prayed for, one thousand and fifty one
bibles or tracks were distributed, sixteen seventy two heard a
testimony of someone's life, one thousand and nine people received
(14:36):
acts of compassion, and one hundred seven people got connected
to a local church.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Wow. Wow. Cool.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Now there was a huge rally of twenty five thousand
people that had taken place after that opening ceremony, kind
of like in protest, but yet they were sharing, you know,
they were sharing the good news, and there was some
evangelists out there and music and and just an incredible
sight when you got the Eiffel Tower in the back,
(15:04):
you know, the background and You've got thousands of people
in front of it and gathering in the name of Jesus,
which is really cool. In this other article that we
have so keep praying for the athletes in the Olympics,
and they're sharing their faith. I know that a lot
of the news networks cut them off and don't even
(15:25):
show the full you know, words that they are sharing,
especially when they bring up how God is important to
them and in Jesus. And but another event happened here
in the United States. And we've been seeing these for
the last few months in Florida and in California, and
now we have another two thousand people baptized in a
(15:48):
New Jesus Revolution of VT Pirate's Co. And Pastor Greg
Glory of Harvest Christian Fellowship in California celebrating this another
massive baptism turnout at Pirate's Co. It's the largest sign
that the or the latest sign rather of the nationwide
move of God that kicked into high gear with the
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Asberry Awakening of last year.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It isn't over yet, no guys.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Now, the Book of Joel tells us that God's going
to pour out his spirit upon all flesh in the
last days, So they got a glimpse of it in
the Book of Acts in chapter two, and we are
seeing the continuation of the Book of Acts. It's the
only book that doesn't actually you know, say Amen at
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the end, you know, kind of because the church is continuing.
So it's continuing to unfold, and we are just beginning
to see thirty five hundred people said the Sinner's Prayer
at this thing as well. So I mean there's there's
just yeah, it's incredible and really adible. Aster Greg Glorian
(16:58):
and his group there at Harvest Church is not the
only church that's been doing this. There's been churches in
Florida and Texas and other places that are having mass
baptism that they're doing in fountains. Yeah, when there's no
lake or river or ocean, you know, to baptized people in.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
So yeah, yeah water.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Yeah, it's like it always reminds me of the story
of the Uniche. Remember the Unich And yeah, well there's
some water right there.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, let's go yeah, yeah exactly, So very cool and
uh it is just another sign that we are getting
closer to Jesus's return.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yes, in times Harvest yet to pass, so.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
So we will look more into that with the pre
trib proofs in the Book of Revelation coming up in
just a few minutes, So stay tuned eight hundred seven
to two one ninety three one three one, eight hundred
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Speaker 2 (17:55):
When you follow Jesus, you get changed.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yes for a sprink and good day hey on your
Celebration Radio and network. Almost five minutes to the top
of the hour. The phone number again eight hundred seven
to one nine three one three one, eight hundred seven
to two one ninety three thirteen.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And in the.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Studio with me is Pastor Ryan, John and Terry and
good morning again, Gang, and morning again, good morning to
you out there. And as they say radio Land, thank
you for joining us. I appreciate that we heard from
Ike earlier and answered to prayer. You wanted to let
us know that when we prayed on Wednesday for him
that the answer came and he appreciates your prayers.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, So all.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Right, okay, well shall we dive in, dive in, yes, yes,
we both both feet into the deep area. So so
we're going to start this morning, we're going to pivot
into kind of a new topic that that really it's
a very very big topic, and it's going to take
us a lot of different places, and we're going to
see a lot of a lot of things about the
end time story, you know, digging deep in the Book
(18:57):
of Revelation here. So it's gonna be a fun one.
So the kind of overarching question, which I think will
be exciting to everybody listening right is, you know, how
is the body of Christ depicted in the Book of Revelation.
You know, where do we show up? Et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah,
it's gonna be a good time. So just just a
(19:18):
little bit of a you know what actually before we
get into like the context in the background of the
two verses that Terry's about to read, why don't why
don't you go and read those Terry, and then we'll
explain where we're at and where we're going.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Okay, this is from a Revelation four chapter of chapter four,
verses one and two. After these things, I looked and
behold a door standing open in heaven. And the first
voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying,
come up, here, and I will show you things which
must must take place after this. Immediately I was in
this spirit, and behold a throne set in heaven, and
(19:53):
one sat on the throne.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, so this is the Apostle John speaking, right, and
and just again to give a little bit of context here,
So this is the very beginning of Revelation chapter four.
All right. So everything that came before this Revelation chapter one,
if you go look at it, is just an introduction. Okay.
So so John gets this amazing vision of Jesus, Jesus
(20:15):
comes to speak with him, a lot of symbolism presented,
you know, and then chapters two and three of the
book Revelation are do you guys remember seven letters? Yeah,
the seven Letters to the seven Churches. So there's a
lot in there, a lot to unpackether, but you know,
we're not going there this morning, of course. So basically
the point is this is that the story doesn't actually
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start the story of the book Revelation and tell what
Terry just read. So Revelation chapter four is the beginning
of the story. Very important point here though, is that
it's not the beginning of the story of the end times. Okay,
that doesn't start and tell chapter five. So chapter four
is the beginning of the story in terms of where
John goes. We're talking two thousand years ago when that's happened,
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the prophecy, you know what it looks like. So, so
what what do you guys see happening in these two verses.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Here is a door opening, and he's there in heaven.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right, yeah, So so John, he's on earth, he's on
the isle of Patmos, right, and here's a voice and
he gets he gets he hears his voice that says,
you know, come up here. And then he finds himself
in heaven. And does he mean spiritually physically? We we
don't know. It's like when Paul when he got caught
to the Third Heaven. Whether it was spiritual, inspirit or
in body, he didn't know, right, So, so this is
(21:33):
not unprecedented somebody getting called up to heaven in some
form to receive a word, to receive a vision, right,
this a big vision that John's about to about to say.
So now he's in the he's in the throne room
of God. So so here's the thing is that these
two verses are are really utilized quite a bit in
in times teaching and in particular to establish the timing
(21:58):
of the rapture. Okay, so yes, we're gonna get back
into that topic a little bit. O boy again, we're
gonna bounce around a lot, We're gonna look at a
lot of different things. But uh so so, way back
in nineteen ninety nine, doctor Tim Lahey wrote a book
called Revelation Unveiled And uh, Bill, do you wanna do
you have on your screen to the next slide. Yeah,
we'll have to get to that next uh okay, okay, yeah,
(22:21):
So well, so we come back, We're gonna we're gonna
look at doctor Lahay's commentary on the two verses the
Terry just read, and then we'll take it from there again.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
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Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yep, here, I do want to say something really quick,
and I'm going to talk really fast because they do
talk fast because the one radio. Hey, one of the
things is we talk about the end times here a lot.
Of course that's our main goal. So we talk about
the different views and perspectives of you know, pre trib,
mid trib, post trib, pantrim, whatever you want to call it.
You know when the raptor is going to happen, when
Jesus comes back. And we discussed a lot of that
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and got a lot of different things, and a lot
of people call this the non essentials because this doesn't
have anything to do with your salvation. So turning your
life over to Christ and surrendering to him and following
him is still the number one thing we all need
to do.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes, right it is.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, So I and I love what you just said. Yes,
can I add a little something to that?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Just yes, I wanted you too, but I'm going to
let you do that.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Go ahead, you're gonna add something. Oh, I was just
going to say that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
You know, we say it's a non essential, but that
has to do with salvation. As far as the end
times go and what's going to happen, you need to
have your eyes open and you need to know what's
actually going to happen, because there is going to be
the great apostacy of the great falling away, which is
caused by it's a great deception. And so you need
(24:15):
to be strong in the word of God and know
what Jesus said Matthew twenty four in particular, and exactly
what John is saying in his prophecy, and how all
that goes back and reflects on the Old Testament, New
Testament and everything that's been said and how it all
pans out. Because you need to understand that. Yeah, because
if you don't, you could be great of the part
of the great falling away.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
And here's the thing, so Paul, And second, yeah, what
you're referring to here, Paul. And second that's on News
chapter two, versus one through four. And by the way,
this was this was literally like the whole discussion yesterday
on the Africa TikTok that we did. So everybody listening,
go to Thesefinal Days dot org and then you could
link over to our YouTube channel, which is YouTube dot com.
Forward size to these Final Days and look for the
(24:59):
tfd in aw TikTok playlist and the one that I
just posted yesterday had Pastor J and myself and that
this is what we're talking about. Right So, so in
those four verses second Thessalians two, verse one through four,
the apostle, Paul actually goes into detail about what John
just said, right so during so right now today this morning,
it's it's not of course, it's not a salvation issue.
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You know, you can you can you know, I mean,
we all have different you know, beliefs, and there's I
should say it like this. There are a lot of
different views out there, a lot of different teachings about
the time of the rapture. And here's a question. Does
the body of Christ remain on earth for the seven
year Great Tribulation and the three and a half year
reign of the Anti Christ. None of us want the
answer to be yes, okay, but Paul specifically says in
(25:44):
those four verses that that that that what we believe
about the timing of the rapture. Okay, in relation to
the reign of the anti Christ. Actually is specific what
he means by the great end times deception. He used
the word to say they're over and over if you
look at all twelve verses, right right, uh. And then
he says, if you're deceived about this one point, the
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time of the rept how do we get into this already,
my guy, about this one point, then you are susceptible
to what is called the great falling away. The Greek
word is a past to see you. It means apasta see,
it means falling away from the face. So so it's
it's it's an important topic that we're getting into here. Boy, John,
I was not going to go there yet. But that's cold.
Let's let's you know, let's get the party started, to
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get that head in there. So you know, so it's
a it's a touchy topic. It's but everybody, you know,
we're all believers in Christ. We're brothers and sisters, we
love each other, we walk in love. Iron sharpens iron.
Let's just look at the word together. Let's just see
what says. We're doing a Bible study here, right exactly, so,
way back in nineteen ninety nine. It's been a long
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time now, twenty five years now, right, doctor Tim pay Yeah.
And if you're yeah, yeah, if you're if you're gen Z,
you've ever heard of this guy?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And I keep going back to this reference, and I'm thinking, gosh,
now I'm like dating myself by always pointing to this
book from nineteen ninety nine. But it's because doctor Lahey
really wrote what we could almost call like the bible
of this idea of the pre tribulation rapture. Okay, meaning
you know, pretty much every teaching you hear on it
today is based on this one book.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
And that's the quintessential pre rapture book.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, it really, it really is. He really codified the
whole idea, the whole theory of the pre tribulation Rencher.
So that's what we go about this. It also keeps
us out of the mindfield of bringing up current popular
teachers and writers, which we don't want to get to.
We don't want to be controversial here, not at all.
We're not here for that. So so Bill, do we
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even have time in this segment now.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
To read No? Okay, sorry, no, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
No, that was that was excellent. The foundation there is
so so hope you're getting people excited about this topic.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, when we come back, we'll get into the rapture
before Tribulation passage in that book by Tim Lahay. So
Matthew West with Don't Stop Praying is coming up next
on your Celebration Radio network. Our number again eight hundred
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Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, we are.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Twenty five minutes to the top of the hour on
your Celebration Radio network. And this is built a phone
number eight hundred seven two one nine three one three
one eight hundred and seven two one ninety three thirteen.
In the studio with me is Pastor Ryan, John and
Terry for just a few more minutes. Yeah, it's twenty
five minutes or so. You guys hang out usually till
about eight o'clock. So, yeah, we were discussing Tim Lahay's book,
(28:43):
Book of Revelation.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It's it's it's called it's called Revelation.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Revelation Unveiled and uh. In this uh book it says
this after the revelation for one and two, which Terry
shared with us a little bit ago. It says it
was no coincidence that the first thing to happen after
John has described the seven churches, which we have seen
represent not only a message to each individual church, but
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also to the seven periods of church history, is his
being taken up into heaven. Inasmuch as John was the
last remaining apostle and a member of the Universal Church,
his elevation to heaven is a picture of the rapture
of the Church just before the tribulation begins.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Okay, so end quote. So we're really big statement by
by doctri laheesa. What what what Tim Leahy is saying
here is that you know John being called up to
heaven in Revelation chapter four, verses one and two, that
this is this is right before he receives a vision.
So this would be you know, in the in the
chronology of the Book of Revelation, this is before the
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greater regulation, before the way of the Ender Christ. And
this is this is actually a little little like clue
to as it's like a symbol of the Church being
raptured to to heaven before all that starts. And you know,
interesting on the surface, right, you know, that's the claim
that this has become again one of the top ten
arguments in favor of this idea of a pre tribulation rapture.
(30:13):
Any teacher that teaches that that, you know idea, uh,
they're gonna they're going to point to this as as
part of their you know, their arsenal right, to to
prove that point. So what do you guys think, I mean?
Is that what it is? That what it feels like
to you? I think this is an archetype of the rapture.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
No, no, no, because if it was, then Paul when
he met Jesus on the road to Damascus is also
the same.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Thing because of what happened in the story.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Because Paul even says that I don't know where I was.
I don't know if I was caught up to the
Third Heaven. I don't know where I was at. I
don't know what actually happened, but I did meet Jesus.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, he says, he says, somewhere, then.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
We should all be raptured already because that happened way
back when Paul met Jesus. So, yeah, that that argument
doesn't hold anywhere in here. Yeah, it's like I said earlier,
it's it's it's like sagetically reading into the scripture what
you want it to say, and you can't say that.
You got to let the scripture talk to you. Yeah,
it's that's exegetical. You got to let's let the scripture
say what it's trying to say.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Sorry, no, it's good.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
So what what is isogesus and exeges Okay.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
So iogetic our is to Jesus is actually reading into
the scripture what you believe the scripture says, or what
you want it the Senate to say. Yeah, so you're
reading into it. Exogetical is you're actually let in the
scripture tell you what it's saying. You're not reading into it,
you're not putting any of your stuff in. You actually
know the history content, what's going on in that story,
what's happening in the Bible, and you're letting it speak
(31:37):
to you for what it actually was intended to say.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
And you know, of course every teacher like us we're
teaching here right, is going to claim, well, I don't
do the ice is of Jesus thing, I do the
Exegesus things. And so you know it's up to the
audience to decide. Again, I'm going to get into a
bunch of scripture and then everybody can decide for themselves
what they think they're seeing there. One thing I like
about what what Tim Lhay presents here is that I
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think that at the very least he's implying something that
I firmly agree with, which is that the Book of
Revelation is in chronological order. Okay, it's at least acknowledging
that idea.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
So a lot of teachers teach that it's not that
it is just this big, chaotic, confusing mess of you know,
all these different events and they're out of order and
all that. And God's not the author of chaos, so
you know, he's not that, you know, his final parting
written word to mankind, the Book of Revelation is not
going to be a big jumbled mess that that would
be useless to us. We'd never So the Book Revelation
(32:34):
is one hundred percent in chronological orders. So so so.
One tricky thing though about doctor Lahey putting the rapture
in Revelation chapter four, verse one is first of all,
Revelation Chapter four again, as I said earlier, is not
part of the chronology of the end times. The entire
chapter Chapter four is just John being up in heaven,
(32:58):
you know, taken up to heaven to receive this whole
prophecy right way. More to the point is that Revelation
chapters five, six, and seven describe the prelude to the
Great Tribulation, which incidentally takes place over a period of
about two hundred and fifty years, or more between two
hundred and fifty and three hundred years. Talk about that later,
(33:20):
but the point is that the actual Great Tribulation doesn't
even start until Revelation chapter eight, which means that if
John being taken up to heaven in Revelation chapter four
is symbolic of the time of the rapture, that means
that the rapture should have happened back in the middle
of the seventeen hundreds. That's a fact, okay, based on
(33:43):
you know, again that all the stuff that Revelation describes
from there as the prelude to the Great Tribulation. So
so so at first glance, it just you know, kind
of doesn't fit a couple of other small points. Then
we need to go to music, So I do I
have like thirty seconds. So also if if if that's true,
(34:03):
that the location of John during this this vision during
the Book of Revelation is indicative of the location of
the church. Revelation, chapter thirteen, it says John says, then
I stood on the sand of the sea, and I
saw a beast rising up out of the sea. So
does that mean that halfway through the Great Tribulation the
whole church is back on a beach somewhere. I'm sorry,
it's kind of a small point. I mean, I'm being
(34:24):
nipicky here, just making a point. Revelation chapter seventeen, kind
of like toward the end of the Great Tribulation, John says,
so he he this angel carried me away in the
spirit into the wilderness.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Again.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's on earth. So is the whole body of Christ.
You know, it just it just it just isn't fitting,
like really really well. But there's a much bigger point
that doctor Lahey is making here that we're going to
have a lot of fun when it's going to take
a few shows. Everybody, get ready. But but we'll describe
what that is when we come back after the break. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Seventy nine, eight hundred two one ninety three thirteen. Elevation
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
Good Friday morning. Yes, let it begin.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
That is Big Daddy Weave on your Celebration Radio Network.
We're almost a ten minutes to the top of the hour,
which I can't believe.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
It's help. Yeah, you're having fun and we are having fun.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Royes, Yeah, ast Ryan, John and Terry are in the
studio with me this morning. And the phone number eight
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Speaker 3 (35:31):
So all right, So so the last segment we talked about,
you know this idea that doctor Lahey presented right that
that John and chapter chapter four versus Revelation that I'm sorry,
chapter chapter four of the Book of Revelation, verses one
and two. That that's a type and shadow. That's an art.
It's symbolic of the rapture taking place before the tribulation. Uh,
(35:52):
there's there's a crux to this argument that that he's making. Okay,
there's a there's a deeper point here. So I forgot
to say this during our break just now, or can
somebody scroll ahead to slide number ninety five. You'll see
a picture of the book book again Revelation Unveiled, and
whoever gets there first.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Is the absence of any mention of the Church.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So John's got it.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Okay, So the absence so this is from Timblahay Revelation Unveiled.
He says the absence of any mention of the Church,
and the rest of Revelation indicates that it is not
on earth during the tribulation.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, listen again, huge argument that to this day is
being made daily around the world. Different teachers, right, so,
and we're not going to name names here, but but
but a lot of our you know favorite you know
teachers out there, preachers you know, very very large churches
and ministries who teach this topic the time of the rapture,
and they believe in a pretribuation rapture. This is by
(36:48):
far one of their favorite points to make his look
after after John gets called to Heaven and Revelation chapter four,
the Church is never you know mentioned again throughout the
whole rest of the book of Revelation when the tribulations
describe when the reign of the Antichrist is described so clearly,
I mean, it's obvious we're not mentioned because we're not
here during that time. Okay, somebody want to like get
(37:09):
started on this point, and I know we can't like
get into it sure this show, but yeah, we don't
have a lot of time.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Just let's just put the word out there. The word
is the elect, right, that's what we're looking at. So
the church is mentioned throughout the rest of Revelation. They
just call them. He always calls them the elect, the
people who follow Christ.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
So so here's the thing. So the word church. So this,
this is the argument, is that you don't see this
term that church or the word church anywhere else throughout
the rest of the book Revelation, which isn't quite true.
That word shows up again at the very end chapter twenty.
But basically, you know, where the book Revelation describes the
tribulation and the r of the anti Christ, you don't
see the word church at all. So let me just
(37:49):
ask the three of you, is there any other saints, servants, servants,
those who follow Christ, those who have the witness of Christ,
those who have the blood of the land. So there's
a lot of different ways that the Church, the body
of Christ can be referred to other than just the
word church. And in fact, if you do a word
(38:10):
study in the Book of Revelation. Just look for that
word church. It shows up eleven times in the Book
of Revelation. Okay, and can I tell you something In
every single case, it's never talking about the church anyways. Okay.
The word church in the Book Revelation never is referring
to the body of Christ. Okay, It's referring to the
seven individual churches we said earlier Revelation chapters two and three,
(38:34):
the seven Letters. Every time you see the church in
the Book of Revelation. So so you know, to the
church in Philadelphia, write this, to the church in Ephesus,
write this to the church in Laodicea. And this is God.
This is God's message to the churches, meaning those seven churches.
So the point is that the church never means Christians
in general, right in the book Revelation. But yeah, so again,
(38:56):
so this is this is the argument. It's a huge
way one. It's everybody hears them there like, oh yeah,
that proves it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
So what we want to do going forward to the
next you know, a few shows, I mean knowing us right.
It's gonna be fun though, because we're gonna go to
a lot of different places in the book Revelation and
throughout the Word of God. So there's a lot to
learn here, not just this specific, you know question, but
but in future shows, you know, coming up the next
you know, like we're going to do one in two weeks.
(39:23):
I think, uh, well, we're going to start looking at
the Book of Revelation beyond chapter four and with this
question in mind, is the body of Christ depicted in
the Book Revelation? And specifically is it depicted on earth
during the seven year Great Tribulation and the three and
a half year reign of the Antichrist? And everybody can
(39:46):
probably guess what our answer is already. Yeah, But but
you know it's up to the audience to do. Everybody,
we have to decide for ourselves. Be filled with the
Holy Spirit, continually give them the Word of God yourself
and iron sharpens iron. Let's just let's just have fun
with the word. You know. This this is gonna be a
good one.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It is, Yeah, lots of fun.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
One eight hundred seven two one nine three one three,
eight hundred and seven two one ninety three thirteen. I
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Speaker 3 (40:11):
Oh is that our last was that our last segment
was I guess I just signed us hot, didn't I?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah? All right?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Can I say like we always do? So we want
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Here we would be well, they're usually good Zambian.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Oh yeah, exactly, that's right.
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Well again, thank you guys for being here.
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Love y'all and we see in a couple of weeks.
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All right, that's good, sounds good.
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I want to thank you for allowing us to be
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to handle any situation we encounter. Let your speech, let
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could things in your presence. So Lord, that presence I
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