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In this episode, Bill, Terri, John, & Pastor Ryan begin a look at what is one of the most popular "proofs" of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture offered by those who promote this doctrine: the notion that John's depiction of being called up to Heaven in Revelation 4:1-2 is symbolic of the Body of Christ being Raptured before the start of the Great Tribulation and the reign of the Antichrist. Central to this argument is the fact that the word "church" does not appear anywhere in the Book of Revelation's narrative of the Tribulation and Antichrist's reign--the period that we refer to as "the seven-year Great Tribulation"--beyond Revelation 4:1 when John is "called up", and the reason for this (the argument goes) is that the Church is entirely absent from Earth during this period; because we will be "Raptured" before it begins... But is "Church" the only way that the Body of Christ might be referred to in Scripture? In fact, where the word "church" does appear in Revelation (in chapters 1, 2, 3, and 22), is it even being used this way: to refer to the Church as a whole? This is important stuff... Take a listen!
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These Final Days Ministries: www.TheseFinalDays.org
In this episode, Bill, Terri, John, & Pastor Ryan begin a look at what is one of the most popular "proofs" of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture offered by those who promote this doctrine: the notion that John's depiction of being called up to Heaven in Revelation 4:1-2 is symbolic of the Body of Christ being Raptured before the start of the Great Tribulation and the reign of the Antichrist. Central to this argument is the fact that the word "church" does not appear anywhere in the Book of Revelation's narrative of the Tribulation and Antichrist's reign--the period that we refer to as "the seven-year Great Tribulation"--beyond Revelation 4:1 when John is "called up", and the reason for this (the argument goes) is that the Church is entirely absent from Earth during this period; because we will be "Raptured" before it begins... But is "Church" the only way that the Body of Christ might be referred to in Scripture? In fact, where the word "church" does appear in Revelation (in chapters 1, 2, 3, and 22), is it even being used this way: to refer to the Church as a whole? This is important stuff... Take a listen!
This podcast regularly discusses these topics: Bible Study, eschatological, end of the world, End Times, Last Days, Book of Revelation, Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Post-Tribulation Rapture, Rapture, Great Tribulation, Second Coming, Third Temple, Second Coming of Christ, the Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Two Witnesses, Four Horsemen, Apocalypse, Israel
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
That is Zach Williams and Dolly Pardon on your Celebration
radio network with Looking for You. It is about eighteen
minutes after the hour. This is Bill the phone number
eight hundred and seven two one nine three one three
one eight hundred seven to one ninety three thirteen. And
in the studio with me this morning is pastor Ryan,
John and Terry.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Good.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good morning, gang, Good morning morning. Well we've got several
news articles in front of us, and a lot that's
happening in the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
A lot's happening all over the world this last week.
Crazy stuff going on. Yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Pretty pretty period.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I think it is idea.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So uh, Bob.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Terry, you want to get this a try.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Or I can't do any worse?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh? Thanks, No, you would, you would not.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I slaughtered it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
But it's Bob Oh Terry nailed it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
That's that's Hebrew. It means the ninth day of the
month of ov okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So yeah, and it was a fasting and morning day
for the Jewish people and it's the worst.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
The calendar Jews calendar, right.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, it commemorates events in ancient and modern history. So
they set this day aside, and like you were saying
when we were before we came on the air, it
would have been the perfect time for certain country to
attack Israel for retribution.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You can say on the okay, yeah, kind of a
bad word.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, but thankfully they didn't. Uh So anyway, I just
there's there's so much in this. I know we can't
cover everything in the articles, but I wanted to bring
this in and bring it to our remembrance that on
October seventh of this last year is one of those
(02:01):
reasons why they were doing their fasting and morning, right,
and uh, several other dates since when, like the children
at the soccer field and and uh.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah but twelve drus Yeah children, right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I mean, there's just been so many senseless things happening
to the not only the Israelis, but also in Lebanon
and yeah, and the surrounding areas as well.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So yeah, so you keep them in prayer.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And you guys know our friend in bay Rude, he's
been on the radio with this couple of times, you know,
by phone, of course, but yeah, Naif and so he
and I have been keeping in touch and they're all
terrified up there. The Christians are you know, growing increasingly
concerned about you know about hes BLO attacking them directly.
But they all share you know, they're all in different
neighborhoods in Beaute, right, which is they're all mixed together.
(02:50):
I mean, it's crazy, it is. And you know Christians
and then also Sunni Muslims and that hes Block controls
the whole southern part of the city of Bay Route
and we went through there quite a bit. That's where
we've changed our money. You know, I should have bit
that on the air with went to a hospital like
a like a hesbla hospital for my COVID test before
I came home, right, this a few years ago. But
so so when Israel goes in and they target certain
(03:14):
buildings in southern Bay Root and they're they're you know,
it's hes blow targets. But Neef's up in his apartment
in northern they can hear the explosions.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And now just about a week ago came out in
the news at hes Blah was was abandoning all their
offices and in southern Bay Route because you know, Israel
knows where they are, so they're going to go to
other So I wrote to day If and I said, hey,
this is good news, and he says, no, that doesn't
mean they're leaving Bay Root. It means they're coming to
my neighborhood, right right. So it just it just makes
(03:46):
all the people up there vulnerable and endanger and and
you know, Israel has to do what Israel has to
do to defend itself. So so tish Abov, can you
guys think of like why that's important in the context
of in time story, I mean hugely important. First of all,
we need to say, you know, we need to talk
about like what tish Abov actually commemorates, right.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, Yeah, well I did.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I did mention that it's morning over there, they're fast
and mourn for past tragedies in their history.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Like yeah, well, I mean where did you start?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Didn't start with the destruction of the temple? Yeah, yeah,
that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, So now too, what sev Well, so here's what's that.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Well, here's what's interesting. So the first temple, King Solomon's
Temple that was destroyed by the Babylonians in the year
five eighty six BC on the ninth day of the month,
and then the second temple, the one that Jesus taught
in you guys are right, that was destroyed in the
years eighty seventy, right about over six hundred years later,
the exact same day on the calendar, the ninth day
(04:57):
of the month of ov Really, I.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Did not know you. Yeah about pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
About a century after that was something called the Simon
bar Kochpa Revolt. Okay, so he was a Jewish guy
that had risen up. And so this is like one
hundred years after the Second Temple was destroyed. So the
Romans are well in control, right, They've kicked all the
Jews out of Jerism whatever. So Simon bar Coppa he
raises up an army to fight off the Romans, and
(05:22):
they're going to rebuild the temple, and they kind of
actually like tried, they were like making progress. But that
revolt was completely quashed on what day.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Of the night right.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
In the thirteen hundreds. And I was I was going
to look at the exact day. I think it was
thirteen oh five. I'm probably wrong on that. I can't
look at the date because my laptop is malfunctioning. I'm
trying to reboot it right now. So, but that that's
when England officially kicked out all the Jews out of England.
I don't know if you guys knew that actually happened
in England of all places, right, really, and that happened
(05:54):
on what day I gave.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
In fact, it's in this article that is one of
the Jewish expulsion from England, the Jewish expulsion from Spain.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Spain and what you need does say what you're in Spain.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It doesn't say in the the first minds might go
into detail.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
The year is very very significant. I think it was
fourteen ninety two.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh really, So.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
What happened in fourteen ninety two? Yeah, he did his
sales blue, which which is interesting because then Christopher Columbus,
So it was the year that the Jews all got
you know, kicked out of Spain, right, the same thing, Yeah,
and uh, you know, tons of persecution and you know whatever.
That same year, that's when Christopher Columbus, you know, sailed
(06:39):
across the Pacific, discovered this continent and this would be
the birth place of the nation of the United States
of America. The last Day's hegemen who would re establish
the nation of Israel and to this day were like
the one country that defends the Jews and Israel against
destruction by that that swear word that you tried not
(06:59):
to say, Iran. And it's not against the Iran Iranian people,
We don't mean that at all. It's the regime there
that's evil. We can use that word. So but so
what so what so that said? What are we doing
today to defend Israel? Anything going on?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Mm hmm oh, we're going to get to that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, it's actually it's actually Bill's article, but I'm I'm
having fun keeping the cut.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, Yeah, we're going to get to that here in
just a little bit. Eight hundred seven two one nine
three one three one eight hundred seven to one ninety
three thirteen. Terry's also got a question for us. Well,
we'll get to that here in just a little bit
eight hundred seven to one nine three one three. Here's
Phil Wickham. This is our God on your Celebration Radio Network.
Good morning, your Celebration Radio Network.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Yes it is he, Good morning, Rick.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I just wanted to call interest speaking Bob and ninth
Old as well. I'd like when you guys speak and
on Jewish holidays.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And they really thank you.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yeah, And speaking of treats, I want you to know
that the Jewish people don't have any of those what
is it something doodles that you get there? Uh that
Terry makes so you you're not allowed to eat those
for a whole month.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So oh no, what what? What? Which? What the snickerdoodles
that talk about mourning? And that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Sky Ryan's daughter is the one that makes those. They
are out of the world.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
She is quite the chef.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
Terry made those.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
She she's been try tries not to make that much
stuff because I've got a sugar addiction and I can't
stop eating them once I started, so she tries to
stay away from doing that.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Warn you, it's a fascinating thing that you have to
do right right right the celebration of now uh anything
new and exciting going on, and I show you a
prize off the year.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, not that I know, not that I'm by the way,
just to let you know I got it yesterday. Thank
you for that information from June and from brother Steven.
I appreciate that, and we will continue to keep them
in our prayers.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
So yeah, I know that, but I'd just like to
to go updated. But those were were refreshing letters from them.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So yeah, that is good news.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Hey, hey, Rick, I want I want to ask you
what what's your what's your last name? Again? I know
your last name is Silva? Silva? Is that is that Jewish?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
I didn't think so mainly Spanish or Portuguese. Okay, mood
of the popular name like Smith in their language.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah right right, yeah, of course it spelt s.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
I l b A means forester woods. And my full name,
Richard Paul Sylvan means the little king from the forest.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
How cool. Robin Hood and big John and you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, that's funny because my name Ryan and Irish means
little king, so ray haw, come, we're not big kings,
I mean the king.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
There's significant in that because even Paul acknowledged himself as
as the little because Paul means little.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Also, no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, the least of the yea, the least of the disciples.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
He always cherished his his stature being smaller than him,
being the lesser. If you will remember, it's not the
how does that verse go about the last Chevy last?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Oh Jesus? But yeah, the first class.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Yeah, that's a good position to be in. Uh, you
know when the rapture occurs, Ryan, you and I will
be up there going.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
First because we're the last.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Here will be the yeah, filled with the Yankee, right,
we'll be able to move up as fast.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Too many snicker doodles.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I still don't like the little thing, but and hey,
listen for the record, my driver's license says that I'm
five ft eleven inches tall and I got listen, I
got measured for a text for Elijah's wedding, right, and
they insist that I'm five ten that they're lying. So
if you ever go the touch text and toolets and
have a zoo, don't believe a word they say the liars.
(11:44):
I'll show you my driver's license.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Yeah yeah, because our drivers license it's exaccurate.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Yeah yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah yeah. I've heard a nasty rumor that you get
shorter as you get older, But then the Bible says,
are youthers are new renewed as the like the Eagles,
So yeah, there you go with that.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I go right, all right, you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Love you, thanks, Rick.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
All right, Oh that's good day. By Forrest Frank on
your celebration or radio network. This is built the phone
number again is eight hundred seven two one nine three
one three one eight hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen.
And just in the last break we were talking about
tish Tisha bab.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Oh you nailed it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, kind of excellent.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Get slow down and sounded out, but you know, yeah,
sound good.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, I want to get it right because it is
an important day and it was just this last Monday,
just you know, a few days ago, and so this
commemorates the basically a lot of the tragedy that has
happened to the Jewish people over the last two and
a half thousand years exactly right, about twenty five hundred
(12:58):
years said, and.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
The two the two main tragedies, of course, are the
destruction of the First and Second Temples, and so kind
of how the Jews.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And that's about six hundred years apart.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, right, seven hundred seven hundred years ago or yeah,
six hundred change, you're right, right, But the way the
Jews frame it as is at the whole day specifically
commemorates the destruction of the two temples. But then but
then coincidentally that's wrong word to use. All these other
tragedies happen on that day. So every time the you
know tish Abov comes around every year, including in in
(13:32):
recent times, especially this year, the Jews brace themselves because, okay,
is this going to be another one of those years
we have this you know historical you know tragedy, right,
And like like John you know pointed out, uh, the
what everybody was bracing for this year, of course, was
for Iran to attack and retaliation for you know, Israel's
(13:53):
recent hits on you know, they took out the head
of kamas Is Kohania, they took out you know, one
of Hezbola top guys and in in Syria, in Damascus.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Second sorry, what was he like?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
In was like the second guy or whatever exactly?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
And in fact they say that he was the guy
who had planned October seventh, right, so we all know that,
you know, I think it was in April. It's been
a few months now, but uh, back then, you know,
a few months back, Israel head had targeted and taken
out another of his blost top commanders in Damascus, the
capital of Syria. And in response to that, that's when
Iron fired, you know, three hundred races at Israel, including
(14:37):
ICBMs and a bunch of Muslim countries were shooting those
down before they could even get to Israel and Saudi Arabia,
Jordan of all places. So just and then and then
you know, out of three hundred missiles, one of them
made it to the ground killed nobody'd injured a twelve
year old Bedouin.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Girl, right exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And uh it just oh my gosh, just that the
biggest embarrassment maybe in the history of warfare. Right, And
and so Iran this time, and I think they're really
hesitant to strike because what if this strike also fails
they try to hit Israel and it's another embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah. So, and I think the presidence.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Of yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, of us being in in the Middle East
as well, Yeah, the Abraham Lincoln is there.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And which is which is an aircraft carrier care group?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Right, and then you also have a nuclear sub in
the area.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
In the Persian Gulf. I mean, man, we're letting and
this is under the Biden administration. Everybody, everybody, you know,
take note. And that's important because I know the people,
including Christians, like to get political and you know, Republican
versus Democrat whatever. But listen, everybody, we talk about the
end times on this show. We are in the end times,
so we all need to be like like cognizant of
(15:46):
this and thinking about it and remember that this is
God's story. It's going to play out however God intends
it to play out. It doesn't matter who's in the
White House, it doesn't matter what party, His his will
is going to be accomplished. So yeah, it's during this
administration that that I like this response in Persian gold
Mine as showing us great series show force erondo Metha.
So terry, what does this all have to do with
(16:07):
the end times?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Well, because the Book of Zachariah in verse eight nineteen
says that the fast of the fourth month, the fast
of the fifth, the fast of the seventh, and the
fast of the tenth shall be joy and gladness and
cheerful feasts for the House of Jdah, And a couple
of verses later in Zachariah eight twenty two and twenty three,
it says, yes, many people's and strong nations shall come
(16:31):
to seek the Lord of Hosts in Jerusalem and to
pray before the Lord. Thus says the Lord of Hosts,
in those days, ten men from every language of the
nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man saying,
let us go with you, for we have heard that
God is with you.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's excellent, excellent reference. And so Bill, I think I
think it was an article that you printed. I read
it somewhere this morning. I think it's one of your
articles that the Jews now say that in that old timately,
eventually Tishabav will be will be one of their greatest
holidays to celebrate. Why, okay, so what what's a commemorating
(17:08):
principally specifically the destruction of the temple, the temples? Right,
so on we have to look forward to I'm telling
you temple Do you know do you know that just
this last Monday, Tuesday, you know, Tishabov this year, right,
So the Jews are all bracing themselves. It's a particularly
(17:29):
you know, important tish Abov because it's it's the first
one after October seventh, right, uh. And Ben Gavier, who
is a top Israeli politician, he goes up on the
Temple Mount with a whole bunch of Jews. I don't
know how many there were a lot. In fact, it
was a record number of Jews visiting the Temple Mount.
For Tishabov. That means more Jews visited on this Tishabov
(17:50):
than anyone prior to the destruction of the Second Temple
two thousand years ago. Yes, and not only that, but
there but we talked about this when I came back
from Israel last year, that that they're actually prostrating themselves
toward the delm of the Rock, which is where the
temple is supposed to be, standing right and and praying
and singing. I mean, I mean, this is so illegal.
(18:13):
This is so illegal that Benjamin Netanyahu himself came out
and said, guys, you gotta like reeled in. You were
violating the status quo. Ben Giverer said that, you know,
we don't care. I don't care. This is our spot
point is this is the Third Temple is coming soon.
I mean, I mean, just everywhere we look every day
there's something else in the news. It's clear that the
(18:34):
that the Jews, and I don't mean every single Jew
on planet Earth doesn't have to be every single one.
It's always a small group of people, right, A remnant
a remnant always Even in secular political science, you know,
there's a there's a famous saying by Rosa Luxemburg about
that that that you know something I forget how she
phrased it, but she said, you know how, you know,
(18:56):
can can a very small group of people really change
the whole world? And and she says, indeed, that's the
only thing that ever has it's always small people. So
but small group of people. And we're talking about, you know,
thousands and thousands of Jews every year visiting the Temple
mountain now and and again. They're praying, they're seeing all
(19:16):
that they're reading out of out of the Torah, reading
out loud right toward the toward the dumb of the rock.
The Jews already to rebuild the temple. They have the
red heifers, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I mean, yeah, the list goes on.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Yeah, I mean we're in the last days. Come on,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, before we go to this next song, I want
to I just want to quickly go over these headlines
that we didn't get to because we're you know, time.
But I RAN's Jesus Revolution that really caught my eye,
and really so I dug a little deeper into this
article and it says moss clothes as one million Muslims
(19:55):
except Christ that's the Iran So this is off the Yeah,
this is just and this is by voice of the martyrs.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
So which is which is a very legitimate group. I mean,
if they say it, we can trust that's a very
trustworthy we have.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
There's a line in here that says, so, how is
the regime reacting to this with a reported fifty thousand
of the country's seventy five thousands mosques now closed?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I had no idea this.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
This article to me because this does not ring a bell. Okay,
I'll go back through my emails.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think I did this one. No, actually, this might
have been one of those that I kept for the
good news.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I like to keep himself. Yeah, we get on air.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, actually it is. It is the one of the
ones because I just I just was so. Yeah, is
dumbfounded the right word?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean? Glory away?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And this this is this is a great way to
illustrate a point that that I hope we make very
well on this show on occasion, is that this is
not a war against you know, us versus them. It's
not you know, God's God's not enemies with any you know,
human being. Okay, they make themselves enemies of God obviously
to Satan. But but God desires that everybody be saved.
(21:15):
So it's not about Israelis versus Iranians, or Americans versus
Iranians or whatever. Right, it's it's all on a on
a person by personal level. The Holy Spirit is moving
all around the whole world. Yeah, and even in Muslim eskcatology,
they mus the Muslims themselves and their eschatology, their their
you know story the end times. Uh, they say that
a whole that during the Great Tribulation, they believe in
(21:37):
a seven year great tribulation at the end of the age,
that that a whole bunch of Muslims are going to
defect from Islam and convert to Christianity. In their escatology
they called a false form of Christianity, which means it's
the real form of Christianity. Okay, you understand, right, Muslim
escatology is like the oral world, you know, compared to
(21:58):
Christian Jewish opposite all though, yeah, it is. It just
it's like it takes Christian escatology and Jewish haskatology, you know,
flips it on its head. So you know their their
their Messiah is actually the Antichrist, et cetera, et cetera. Anyways,
but yeah, God's moving man, it's it is because you
know why.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because we're getting closed and he's coming back.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Jesus is coming back soon.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Yes, So if you believe that Jesus is the Son
of God and he died to save us from our sins,
then you also will be saved.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
One seventy ninety three one three eight hundred seventy two,
one ninety three thirteen Andrew rip up next for the
love of God and your Celebration Radio Network, and good
Friday morning, Good morning, your Celebration Radio Network.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Bill. Yes, certain, I called into the spring Sledgeweek to
announce that information about Iran. I thought it was eighty
mosques that had closed with your article says fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Announced it on pledge weeek Spring Pledge. So that's I
concur with that that statistic. Just so you know. Now,
I have a favorite ask of you. Do you have
a pencil and paper nearby?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
I'm going to give you a phone number.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
It's to zero eight five four four eight seven zero four.
That's the phone number from Marilyn Haskell.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh, yeah, I have Marilyn's number, I thinkmber on Okay, well.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I do now you just gave it to me.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Yes, I was just going to say that, but I
thought that would be redundant. But anyways, on September fourth,
she suffers her eightieth birthday, so she'll be an octogenarian.
So if you could pass that number out to anyone
who would like to call her and wish her happy
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birthday on September four, it will be a surprise and
delight for her to hear from old friends, if you will,
and just pass it on to whoever you think might
like to do that and goog on her a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Okay, yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, it'll some thanks, brother, Yeah,
it'll be.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
A nice little treat. I already sent her a couple
of things to goog on her for turning eighty and
all that. But we got to celebrate these little little
delights as they come forth dele and mocks in our life.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So yeah, those mild stones are are yeah, pretty important sometimes.
So yeah, turning eighty is definitely one of them.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
There you go, there you go. And also, many moons ago,
you sent out a video. Oh, by the way, I
have been removed from Facebook again. They dropped my account totally.
This time. I published I put on there too many
things about getting saved in Christ and issues of t
(25:11):
Schwab and all that, and I've been rebuked and taking
off many times for days at a time. No, you
can't post anything for the next three days.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
They're all that.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
But they finally got fed up and just took me off.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Wow, okay, And it came back up a few days later,
but all the information on my personal stuff was gone,
all my photos were gone, and all my friends were gone.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So they went on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Ryan wasn't part of that first part of that conversation
because he was doing stuff with his TikTok and they
sat down and you were already started that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So say that again real quick.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Because you just said all your friends were gone and
you may be real sad for a second.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, he's talked about Facebook. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Facebook dropped me totally long.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Because of why back up?
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it's because of my post
things for but I posted, well it's getting to be
then times as you were just talking about christis coming soon.
So I posted many times trusting christ Is stated, you
must do it now the hours of hen you know,
and thinks of that nature.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Oh sure, I guess they didn't like that. Gosh, they
just found a way to finally eliminate this guy and
then we don't have to worry about him.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, isn't that funny?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So you know, you know, I've got my These Final
Days Facebook page and the Facebook group, and I'm up
to like about ninety thousand followers on the Facebook page
and the stuff I post. I guarantee they would absolutely
rip me down in the second except over the last
fifteen years I've spent thousands of dollars advertising on Facebook
(27:00):
to build up thus pages. So they don't want to lawsuit.
And I'm not saying I would sue, but I think
I would sue.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know why not?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Doesn't the Bible say don't sue your brother. Mark Zuckerberg's
not my brother. No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, No, I'm not.
I'm not being very Christian, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Yeah, I know what you learn.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So why is the serpents in general as does so
the wise part of that would be to definitely go
after him because of the fact that you have ninety
thousand followers that I paid for that you basically paid
or yeah, and he should not have any right to
take it because of the free speech.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yes, so we're American citizens and there are laws of
this land. And remember that Paul was a Roman citizen
and he actually invoked that. Yeah, he did invoked his
rights as a Roman citizens. So there's nothing I'm Christian about.
And see Christians get that way like, oh, I can't sue.
I can't send myself.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Against your brother, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, if if it's something that happens but between someone
that's in the church kind of thing, not against the world.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
But check this out.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
So I don't know if I ever told you guys
this in the studio here. It's been about a year
since I could even advertise on Facebook because they took
away all of the target words Christian, Jesus, Bible, in Times,
anything happened to do with ministry. They've they've eliminated those, uh,
in their in their target words for advertising. Wow, so
there's no way to advertise to my target audience. There's
(28:27):
no way. Google did the same thing. So they're trying
to eke us out. However, they can.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah, yeah, I understand now that TikTok has begun to
do that as well. So in anticipation of that, I
dropped TikTok and Instagram because they seem to be on
the same bent now as as what happened to me
with Facebook.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So yeah, well that no one can see you, but
you're on TikTok right now because I'm filming.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, he's got his TikTok group going right now in yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
You know, because being in ministry, I mean, oh, please
give me break their own by China, I mean yeah,
and and nobody can actually hear you're part of the conversation. Unfortunately.
I think that's right exactly, it would be right, but
no all but but it being in ministry, I mean,
I mean, I'm going to utilize social media absolutely to
the extent that we can. But just noticing this over
(29:23):
over time, do you know, do you know what we
were talking about when we were on the air about
Tisha Bob the destruction of the temple, and I mentioned,
you know, they're ready, they have the red heifers. So
I wish I'd taken the time to say this. But
but a few months back, Kamas actually released a video
a Kamas spokesman who actually admitted not did admit it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
He said that the red heifers were were a primary,
if not the primary, provocation for the October seventh attack.
The red heifers. This is this guy, Kamas spokesman said,
this was the reason that we attached on October seventh
because it got these these red cows, they want to
rebuild a temple. Do you know that I posted that
on the Facebook page Facebook group about a week or
(30:08):
so ago. I went to repost it again. Guess what,
you can't. I don't I remember ever seeing that, but
but I tried to put the post on both places.
Facebook says this violates our policies. You can't post this.
So then I tried to send it in a private
Facebook message to our to my TFD class group, the
same thing there. Even in Facebook messenger a private message,
(30:28):
it says this violates our policy. So Facebook is some
for some reason trying to bury the story that Kamas.
It's It's not even like an Israeli guy claiming this,
it's a Kamas spokesman saying it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
So we know.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
The reason is because the media is so biased against
anything that has to do with the way that the
Jews are handling this.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They're they're the opposite.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
They want well, sure, but you know that the genocide
and you know, on all of these things and going
after them in the in the world court system, and yeah,
every thing that they've done since October seventh is because
they're anti.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Jewish, anti Semitic, ant anti Yet and yet everybody listened
to this, Okay.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
Anti rich Soba, by the way, apparently started to pass
on regatting Iran. I read an article quite a while
ago now that Iran is in an agreement to allow
the Jews to gather around the Rock and do that
prayer issue in anticipation of the new Temple, and the
(31:38):
reason was that they have decided that Mecca is more
important to them than the Rock.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Then then yeah, that's that's their way of trying to
distance themselves from the Palestinines have just been a disaster
for them. So Rick, was this an article that you
saw someplace er?
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Yeah, quite a while. I might have read it on
talk or Facebook or something, but it was quite a while.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
If you if you ever trap that down again, you know,
see it again or man to track it down, can
you send that to me because that's super important because listen, I.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Highly think I'm gonna find it because they've all cut
you off. But yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah you finally, I'll certainly and I'll look for that
because the because Iran, we know, is the principal backer
the Antichrist who wants to build the Third Temple. So
if Iran saying we're okay with the third, that's huge, huge,
So yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
It is a huge at I've found it significant when
I read it, but just to pass.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It on that might just be the very in exact
they need get that temple built.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's more significant than I'm gonna search for it right now.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
That is very opening that they need to bring that
to past. No notice though, how quietly that that has been.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh of course I never I didn't hear anything about it.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
So there, Well that's all right. I'm back to the doodle.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Whatever you guys, Sneaker duel today.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
God bless uh Caleb and John featuring Kin with somebody
like Me and your Celebration radio network. Well, I've got
pastor Ryan, John and Terry in the studio with me
this morning, and we've been talking about multiple articles with
the about the Middle East and I ran and and
the Jewish people, and.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There's there's a couple of other articles here.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I know that we talked about the million Muslims accepting
Christ and UH mosques closing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Pastor Greg Glory also put out an article UH this
last week and UH he he received a powerful mass
message from Billy Graham. UH, just a stunning way. The
generation is hungry for God today and Pastor Gray has
helped lead tens of thousands of people to the Christian Faith,
(34:04):
calling his decades of ministry a true privilege for doing
this for thirty five years now.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Past Craig has and he was speaking with CBN News,
and with.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So much chaosolding unfolding in the culture, the preacher said
he believes recent positive reactions to the Christian faith show
there is a spiritual hunger among Generation Z and millennials,
so that is some really good news. And he also
talks about like what Billy Grant had Billy Graham had
(34:38):
revealed to him about preaching the gospel. Also, he's seen
fifty thousand people show up in person at many many
events that for his Harvest crusades, and they held one
just this last July on the twentieth, just a few
weeks ago at Angels Stadium in Anaheim, California. That's where
(35:03):
he saw the fifty thousand people show up in person.
The fire marshall literally shut the doors and there were
people outside worshiping.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Ultimately, three thousand, five hundred people made a decision to
follow Christ and one thousand, five hundred more making the
same decision while tuning in online.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So some good news, Yeah, some good news. And they've
baptized in the last twelve months sixty five hundred people
for Harvest Church and then Harvest Ministry. So you know,
we've talked several times over the last few months about
what's happening in Florida for all those baptisms the fountains.
(35:47):
I mean, they were baptizing people in Texas in a
fountain because they weren't near a body of water. We
had the revival at Asbury that took off and is
still still affecting college campuses all around the world. Today
has been a year and a half, you know, just
a reminder of what happened in the in the seventies,
(36:07):
that Jesus Revolution that we you know, everybody was talking
about years prior. So on the anniversary of that actual
event at Asbury that took place fifty years ago, had
taken place again just a year and a half ago. Yeah,
some pretty cool stuff. So and Terry's got a pop
(36:31):
quiz I too, and we want to get to that
right now, So hit us.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
How many times is the word hallelujah in the New Testament?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I can't think of I can't even think of one
off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Is it in Revelation somewhere?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I mean it should be. If it's not, Yah, might
depend on the translation. M It seems like it's in Revelation.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, like chapter would think it would be or something, right, Yeah, okay,
chapter four, we're fifteen.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
We're stumbling here four times? Okay, and Ryan, you're really close.
It's in all four times in Revelations.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I should have over rely.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Okay, wow? Which okay? So which is what chapter? What
does that depict in Revelation? I'm turn the tables on her?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
There you go, that's the marriage supper of the lamb.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It is it is so Revelation Chapter nine.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You can do a very good job of turning the table.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Let me try again. What's three thousand nine times? Okay, anyways,
but yeah, so chapter nineteen, that's actually the second Coming
of Christ. Yeah, and yeah, never I did not that
never occurred to me before taking in there.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
When I heard that, I thought it's got to be
all over the place, right.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
That's actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Four times.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I'm watching a swimming series on revelation from another church
and they mentioned that, Wow, the one we watched.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I I'm going to totally like steal that and make
that part of my thing. I might give you credit, Terry, Okay, yeah,
Terry's head on the No. Seriously, that's that's a pretty
cool little piece of trivia.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah. Amen, Yeah, was that it? That was it? That's
the pop quiz.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
All right, Well you've learned the good you learning to
new today, folks.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
One eight hundred seven two one nine three one three
eight hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen. We're going
to get to some scripture coming up in just a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Uh. We got some music on the way right now.
It's C. C. Winings.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's my King on your Celebration Radio Network. Eight hundred
seven two one nine three one three one eight hundred
seven two one ninety three thirteen. Good Friday morning. That's
Toby Mack and his latest with Nothing Sweeter on your
Celebration Radio Network. We're at twenty four minutes to the
top of the hour. My name is Bill and in
the studio with me this morning is Pastor Ryan, John
and Terry and I really appreciate you guys being here
(38:53):
this morning and aving topics that we've been covering about
the Middle East and and what's been happening around the
world with uh, not only Iran and Muslims coming to
christ and Moss closing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You've got Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Battle Group and aircraft carrier and nuclear stuff in the
Persian golf and you've got yeah, we've got a lot
of stuff happening around the world. And I just was
in my office a few minutes ago, and President Biden
is doubling down on you know, the security and the
safety of Israel, and they.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Are not backing down from right from that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
So and we we of course have our own selfish
motives for that. If Iran creates chaos in the Middle East,
and you know see how we're honing on the Persian
Gulf oil y, I mean, we cannot afford for it's
to be cut off yet. But that's good. This is
how God works.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
That's it exactly.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
It works through our motives he does.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
But some exciting stuff happening, because all of that is
leading into what comes next, you know, the building of
the Temple, the Great Tribula, you've got the Antichrist, and
Jesus coming.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Back, the Second coming. Hellujah, Yeah times for you for it,
Thank you, Terry. And we did confirm it used four
times in the entire body the entire Bible, and that's
Revelation chapter nineteen.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Is that crazy, Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I'll get up.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's on my back pocket now, man.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And speaking of looking it up, we were talking about
last the last two weeks ago, we were in the
Book of Revelation in chapter four and we were talking
about John being caught up into heaven and and his
description of you know, what was going on and Jesus
showing him and there was a kind of a pre
(40:43):
tribulation correlation and.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
This is that not just kind of this is this
is one go ahead?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
John's yeah, Well, I was just going to say what
you're going to say, which is this is the key
scripture that they talk about for the pre tribulation rapture
is proof of.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
It's being caught up, one of one of the primary
arguments in.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Favor of a pretribation.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
So if you look at like the ten arguments Biblical
arguments for pretribulation, Schrepcher, this is right up there, probably
in the top five. And Terry, why don't you read
the verse of our listeners?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Okay? This is Revelation chapter four, verse one. After these things,
I looked and behold a door standing open in heaven.
And the first voice which I heard was like a
trumpet speaking with me, saying, come up here, and I
will show you things which must take place after this.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Okay, perfect. So so this is this is at the
really the very beginning of the narrative of the INtime
story in the book Revelation right. Chapter one is an
introduction chapters two and three of the seven letters. So
write the very first verse before we get into the
and and so what the argument is, and doctor, you
know Tim Malhay wrote about this and his book Revelation Unveiled, right,
is that this is this is a type and shadow.
(41:45):
It's a picture of the rapture of the church John
being caught up or called up to heaven.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
And one thing I like about this argument is is
that it acknowledges a very important fact, which is that
the Book of Revelation is in chronological order. Okay, so
this argument is saying, look, this event happens before anything
else happens in the in the end time story in
the Book Revelation. So this means a pre tribulation rapture,
that the Church is raptured before anything else happens, you know,
(42:13):
in the like we talked about the last show. Though,
one problem with this is is that that that event
in you know, John being called up to Heaven, that
that he's in the Throne room and then he's shown
the vision. Well, the vision actually starts with the seven Seals,
which are the prelude to the Great Tribulation, and the
(42:34):
first seal. One of these days we're going to get
to the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. It's the first
four Seals. The first Horseman actually set out about two
hundred and fifty years ago. If we're interpreting this correctly,
we are, and the and the Great Tribulation doesn't start
and tell the first Trumpet, which is which is after
the seven Seals. So what that would imply then is
that the Church actually should have been raptured two hundred
(42:55):
and fifty years ago. If we're going by that chrome
logical argument that the deeper point of the start. By
the way, I've heard people say yeah, because you know,
it's the same word harpozzo in the Greek, which is
always get the word rapture. That's that's the word used
in Revelation chapter four, verse one. And it's it's one
hundred percent not the word harpozzo does not appear in
(43:15):
Revelation chapter four. The word for come up is annaba. Okay,
I'm looking at it right on my screen here. This
is from bible hub dot com. Not making this up.
So forget that argument. That's not true at all. So
but so, but but the core of this argument actually
is this that look, the proof is that the the
word church never shows up again in the entire book
(43:38):
of Revelation and tell the very very end, so the
so the whole all the chapters that describe the Great Tribulation,
the d the end of Christ, you never see the
word church again. You see it all over the place
in chapters one, two, three. This is true. But remember
we talked about this on the last show. There's a
lot of other ways to refer to the body of
Christ than the Church. For example, the body of Christ.
(43:58):
I just said one, right, there's this, there's all kinds
of symbolism. La, yeah, exactly. And the word church and revelation,
by the way, when it is used, it's used eleven
times in the Book of Revelation, it actually never even
means the body of Christ. When the word church is
used in Revelation, it always is referring to one of
those specific seven churches in Asia minor so so so.
(44:19):
But it creates a fun challenge for us because what
we teach on this show does not necessarily reflect the
view points of your celebration radio network or it is
a post tribulation rapture. And and thank you audience for
indulging us. We you know, hope you're having fun, you know,
listening to this. But but we teach a post reblation.
I think it's extremely exceedingly clear in scripture that it's
(44:41):
it's going to be a post tribulation rapture. This is
this is a great challenge for us. Is the Church,
the body of Christ actually depicted in Revelation as being
on earth during the Great Tribulation and the Rain of
the Ani Christ, And why don't we go to some
music and then we'll try to get into some of
this next. Yeah, the next segment.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
One eight hundred seven two one nine three one three
eight hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen Brandon Lake
and Miracle Child is up next on your Celebration Radio Network.
Good Friday morning. We're at ten minutes to the top
of the hour on your Celebration Radio Network. Again, this
is Bill the phone number eight hundred seven two one
nine three one three one eight hundred seven two one
ninety three thirteen. Got Pastor Brian, John and Terry in
(45:25):
the studio with me for just a few more minutes. Yeah,
I want to say again, thank you so much guys
for being here. Really appreciate y'all.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah, love love me her. Yeah, and we don't even
have time for this, but real quick. The lady who's
just left this message with's her.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Name Missus English in Saint George, Utah.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So Missus English, just want to thank you. We I
had time to listen about half the message, but I
love the point you're making about God giving land to
other groups besides Israel, and just want to acknowledge that anyways, Okay,
we have to get a seriously, I'm gonna chew on
that one. So where are we John.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
We're in Revelation seven, and.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
We're looking for the body of Christ depicted in Revelation
on Earth during the Great Tribulation and the way the
Christ now listen, relation Chapter seven actually takes place right
before the seven year Great Tribulation begins, okay, because that
begins in chapter eight. So this is after almost to
the end of the Seven Seals. The Seven Seals starts
(46:21):
to take place here, so's to give us context. And
this is the future event, by.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
The way, okay, future event. After these things, I saw
four angels standing at the four corners of the Earth,
holding the four winds of the Earth, that the wind
should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or
in any tree. Then I saw another angels scending from
the east, having the seal of the Living God. And
he cried with a loud voice to the four angels
to whom it was granted to harm the earth and
(46:46):
the sea, saying, do not harm the earth, the sea,
or the trees till we have sealed the servants of
our God on their foreheads. And I heard a number
of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty four
thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel
were sealed. And then it goes through and lists of tribes.
(47:08):
So it's the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed,
and Reuben and God and Asher and Tali, Manassa, Simeon,
Simeon by Isakar Ishakar, say that Jubilan, Joseph and Benjamin,
those were all sealed. Twelve thousands.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Oh my gosh, so much going on here. This could
be a whole show, just like discussing this, which maybe
it will be our next show, right in two weeks,
we'll talk about this.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, that will be right.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
But what but what I but what we'll get people like,
you know, chewing on the meantime is first of all,
So so we get this picture of an angel going
around the resealing the servants of God on their foreheads.
Understand that this is not salvation and this is not
being filled to the Holy spit. This is something unprecedented,
kind of unpressent. It hasn't happened yet. This is a
future event. This will take place right before the seven
(48:00):
or Great Tribulation, begins, right, and what is this seal
on our foreheads? It's it's Is it going to be
a physical thing that you can see. No, I'm going
to go out on a limb here and say no,
it's a spiritual thing. But but we might think, well,
why why would we need some special seal? Well, ask God,
don't ask us. Right, But that said, again, this is
not entirely unprecedent. And think of the Jews, the Israelites
(48:23):
rather in the land of Goshen in Egypt. Uh, just
before that tenth plague.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Came the Death Angel.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah, the Angel of Death that they had to sacrifice
a perfect lamb we know that's archetype of Jesus and
put the blood on their door posts, their lentils. So right,
so that when that angel flew over, they would see
that sign, that physical sign, and know that whatever plague
God ascending that that they're going to be exempt from it.
It's going to pass over them and they're not going
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to be that They're not going to be subject to
God's wrath. Okay, Likewise, we know from First less Onions
chapter five, verse.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Nine, we're not appointed unto wrath.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
To God's wrath. And this is this is a picture this.
It doesn't mean that we're not present for God's wrath.
It means that we are supernaturally protected from it. Okay,
we're not the target of Okay, something else. Most of
a lot of people who teach this topic the end Times,
they will look at this and they'll say, well, one
hundred and forty four thousand in this group is obviously
(49:19):
talking about Jews. It's not talking about Christians. Okay, I'm
going to say right now to get people ready for
our next show, right that that's not true. It says
God's servants, which include Christians and Jews. Not my opinion.
We're going to prove it scripturally. But this particular passage
in Revelation chapter seven is emphasizing the jewishness of this
(49:40):
group because God's people in the end Time story, but
cor Revelation Great Tribulation includes both Christians and Jews. We
are all in covenant with God. We're in the New Covenants. Christians,
Jews are in the Old Covenant. At the end of
the Great Tribulation, they all step into the New Covenant,
and the Old Covenant only pass away, et cetera, et cetera.
There's so much going on here that we're going to
(50:01):
next show, we're going to talk about why this shows
that it's God himself who initiates the Great tribulation, right,
Why this this kind of proves that the Great Tribulation
starts in chapter eight, because again this is chapter seven, right,
And and also something funny about that list of names.
So John, just there is real quickly read through the
(50:23):
names of the twelve tribes of Israel. But if you're
an avid student of the word, go back and look
at yourself a little bit off. Yeah, this list is.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And by the way, you'll.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Never see the twelve tribes listed in this way anywhere
else in the entire Bible. And there's some super amazing
stuff going on here. So so the best we could
do for this show is just a commercial for this
teaching get to it. Next show right coming soon, coming soon.
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And that's my stuff that always excites me. And we're
ending here.
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Oh no, yeah, just when it starts getting good. Now
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Speaker 1 (52:34):
Oh what an awesome song.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
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we want to thank you, oh, thank you for this
new day You've given us in the privilege that we
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As today continues to unfold for all of us, Lord,
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That is Zach Williams and Dolly Pardon on your Celebration
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eight hundred and seven two one nine three one three
one eight hundred seven to one ninety three thirteen. And
in the studio with me this morning is pastor Ryan,
John and Terry.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Good.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good morning, gang, Good morning morning. Well we've got several
news articles in front of us, and a lot that's
happening in the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
A lot's happening all over the world this last week.
Crazy stuff going on. Yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Pretty pretty period.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I think it is idea.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So uh, Bob.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Terry, you want to get this a try.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Or I can't do any worse?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh? Thanks, No, you would, you would not.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I slaughtered it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
But it's Bob Oh Terry nailed it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
That's that's Hebrew. It means the ninth day of the
month of ov okay.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So yeah, and it was a fasting and morning day
for the Jewish people and it's the worst.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
The calendar Jews calendar, right.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, it commemorates events in ancient and modern history. So
they set this day aside, and like you were saying
when we were before we came on the air, it
would have been the perfect time for certain country to
attack Israel for retribution.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You can say on the okay, yeah, kind of a
bad word.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, but thankfully they didn't. Uh So anyway, I just
there's there's so much in this. I know we can't
cover everything in the articles, but I wanted to bring
this in and bring it to our remembrance that on
October seventh of this last year is one of those
(02:01):
reasons why they were doing their fasting and morning, right,
and uh, several other dates since when, like the children
at the soccer field and and uh.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah but twelve drus Yeah children, right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I mean, there's just been so many senseless things happening
to the not only the Israelis, but also in Lebanon
and yeah, and the surrounding areas as well.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So yeah, so you keep them in prayer.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And you guys know our friend in bay Rude, he's
been on the radio with this couple of times, you know,
by phone, of course, but yeah, Naif and so he
and I have been keeping in touch and they're all
terrified up there. The Christians are you know, growing increasingly
concerned about you know about hes BLO attacking them directly.
But they all share you know, they're all in different
neighborhoods in Beaute, right, which is they're all mixed together.
(02:50):
I mean, it's crazy, it is. And you know Christians
and then also Sunni Muslims and that hes Block controls
the whole southern part of the city of Bay Route
and we went through there quite a bit. That's where
we've changed our money. You know, I should have bit
that on the air with went to a hospital like
a like a hesbla hospital for my COVID test before
I came home, right, this a few years ago. But
so so when Israel goes in and they target certain
(03:14):
buildings in southern Bay Root and they're they're you know,
it's hes blow targets. But Neef's up in his apartment
in northern they can hear the explosions.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And now just about a week ago came out in
the news at hes Blah was was abandoning all their
offices and in southern Bay Route because you know, Israel
knows where they are, so they're going to go to
other So I wrote to day If and I said, hey,
this is good news, and he says, no, that doesn't
mean they're leaving Bay Root. It means they're coming to
my neighborhood, right right. So it just it just makes
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all the people up there vulnerable and endanger and and
you know, Israel has to do what Israel has to
do to defend itself. So so tish Abov, can you
guys think of like why that's important in the context
of in time story, I mean hugely important. First of all,
we need to say, you know, we need to talk
about like what tish Abov actually commemorates, right.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, Yeah, well I did.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I did mention that it's morning over there, they're fast
and mourn for past tragedies in their history.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Like yeah, well, I mean where did you start?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Didn't start with the destruction of the temple? Yeah, yeah,
that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, So now too, what sev Well, so here's what's that.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Well, here's what's interesting. So the first temple, King Solomon's
Temple that was destroyed by the Babylonians in the year
five eighty six BC on the ninth day of the month,
and then the second temple, the one that Jesus taught
in you guys are right, that was destroyed in the
years eighty seventy, right about over six hundred years later,
the exact same day on the calendar, the ninth day
(04:57):
of the month of ov Really, I.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Did not know you. Yeah about pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
About a century after that was something called the Simon
bar Kochpa Revolt. Okay, so he was a Jewish guy
that had risen up. And so this is like one
hundred years after the Second Temple was destroyed. So the
Romans are well in control, right, They've kicked all the
Jews out of Jerism whatever. So Simon bar Coppa he
raises up an army to fight off the Romans, and
(05:22):
they're going to rebuild the temple, and they kind of
actually like tried, they were like making progress. But that
revolt was completely quashed on what day.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Of the night right.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
In the thirteen hundreds. And I was I was going
to look at the exact day. I think it was
thirteen oh five. I'm probably wrong on that. I can't
look at the date because my laptop is malfunctioning. I'm
trying to reboot it right now. So, but that that's
when England officially kicked out all the Jews out of England.
I don't know if you guys knew that actually happened
in England of all places, right, really, and that happened
(05:54):
on what day I gave.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
In fact, it's in this article that is one of
the Jewish expulsion from England, the Jewish expulsion from Spain.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Spain and what you need does say what you're in Spain.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It doesn't say in the the first minds might go
into detail.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
The year is very very significant. I think it was
fourteen ninety two.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh really, So.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
What happened in fourteen ninety two? Yeah, he did his
sales blue, which which is interesting because then Christopher Columbus,
So it was the year that the Jews all got
you know, kicked out of Spain, right, the same thing, Yeah,
and uh, you know, tons of persecution and you know whatever.
That same year, that's when Christopher Columbus, you know, sailed
(06:39):
across the Pacific, discovered this continent and this would be
the birth place of the nation of the United States
of America. The last Day's hegemen who would re establish
the nation of Israel and to this day were like
the one country that defends the Jews and Israel against
destruction by that that swear word that you tried not
(06:59):
to say, Iran. And it's not against the Iran Iranian people,
We don't mean that at all. It's the regime there
that's evil. We can use that word. So but so
what so what so that said? What are we doing
today to defend Israel? Anything going on?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Mm hmm oh, we're going to get to that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, it's actually it's actually Bill's article, but I'm I'm
having fun keeping the cut.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, Yeah, we're going to get to that here in
just a little bit. Eight hundred seven two one nine
three one three one eight hundred seven to one ninety
three thirteen. Terry's also got a question for us. Well,
we'll get to that here in just a little bit
eight hundred seven to one nine three one three. Here's
Phil Wickham. This is our God on your Celebration Radio Network.
Good morning, your Celebration Radio Network.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Yes it is he, Good morning, Rick.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I just wanted to call interest speaking Bob and ninth
Old as well. I'd like when you guys speak and
on Jewish holidays.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And they really thank you.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yeah, And speaking of treats, I want you to know
that the Jewish people don't have any of those what
is it something doodles that you get there? Uh that
Terry makes so you you're not allowed to eat those
for a whole month.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So oh no, what what? What? Which? What the snickerdoodles
that talk about mourning? And that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Sky Ryan's daughter is the one that makes those. They
are out of the world.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
She is quite the chef.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
Terry made those.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
She she's been try tries not to make that much
stuff because I've got a sugar addiction and I can't
stop eating them once I started, so she tries to
stay away from doing that.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Warn you, it's a fascinating thing that you have to
do right right right the celebration of now uh anything
new and exciting going on, and I show you a
prize off the year.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, not that I know, not that I'm by the way,
just to let you know I got it yesterday. Thank
you for that information from June and from brother Steven.
I appreciate that, and we will continue to keep them
in our prayers.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
So yeah, I know that, but I'd just like to
to go updated. But those were were refreshing letters from them.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So yeah, that is good news.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Hey, hey, Rick, I want I want to ask you
what what's your what's your last name? Again? I know
your last name is Silva? Silva? Is that is that Jewish?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
I didn't think so mainly Spanish or Portuguese. Okay, mood
of the popular name like Smith in their language.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah right right, yeah, of course it spelt s.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
I l b A means forester woods. And my full name,
Richard Paul Sylvan means the little king from the forest.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
How cool. Robin Hood and big John and you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, that's funny because my name Ryan and Irish means
little king, so ray haw, come, we're not big kings,
I mean the king.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
There's significant in that because even Paul acknowledged himself as
as the little because Paul means little.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Also, no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, the least of the yea, the least of the disciples.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
He always cherished his his stature being smaller than him,
being the lesser. If you will remember, it's not the
how does that verse go about the last Chevy last?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Oh Jesus? But yeah, the first class.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Yeah, that's a good position to be in. Uh, you
know when the rapture occurs, Ryan, you and I will
be up there going.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
First because we're the last.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Here will be the yeah, filled with the Yankee, right,
we'll be able to move up as fast.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Too many snicker doodles.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I still don't like the little thing, but and hey,
listen for the record, my driver's license says that I'm
five ft eleven inches tall and I got listen, I
got measured for a text for Elijah's wedding, right, and
they insist that I'm five ten that they're lying. So
if you ever go the touch text and toolets and
have a zoo, don't believe a word they say the liars.
(11:44):
I'll show you my driver's license.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Yeah yeah, because our drivers license it's exaccurate.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Yeah yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah yeah. I've heard a nasty rumor that you get
shorter as you get older, But then the Bible says,
are youthers are new renewed as the like the Eagles,
So yeah, there you go with that.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I go right, all right, you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Love you, thanks, Rick.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
All right, Oh that's good day. By Forrest Frank on
your celebration or radio network. This is built the phone
number again is eight hundred seven two one nine three
one three one eight hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen.
And just in the last break we were talking about
tish Tisha bab.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Oh you nailed it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, kind of excellent.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Get slow down and sounded out, but you know, yeah,
sound good.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, I want to get it right because it is
an important day and it was just this last Monday,
just you know, a few days ago, and so this
commemorates the basically a lot of the tragedy that has
happened to the Jewish people over the last two and
a half thousand years exactly right, about twenty five hundred
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years said, and.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
The two the two main tragedies, of course, are the
destruction of the First and Second Temples, and so kind
of how the Jews.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And that's about six hundred years apart.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, right, seven hundred seven hundred years ago or yeah,
six hundred change, you're right, right, But the way the
Jews frame it as is at the whole day specifically
commemorates the destruction of the two temples. But then but
then coincidentally that's wrong word to use. All these other
tragedies happen on that day. So every time the you
know tish Abov comes around every year, including in in
(13:32):
recent times, especially this year, the Jews brace themselves because, okay,
is this going to be another one of those years
we have this you know historical you know tragedy, right,
And like like John you know pointed out, uh, the
what everybody was bracing for this year, of course, was
for Iran to attack and retaliation for you know, Israel's
(13:53):
recent hits on you know, they took out the head
of kamas Is Kohania, they took out you know, one
of Hezbola top guys and in in Syria, in Damascus.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Second sorry, what was he like?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
In was like the second guy or whatever exactly?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
And in fact they say that he was the guy
who had planned October seventh, right, so we all know that,
you know, I think it was in April. It's been
a few months now, but uh, back then, you know,
a few months back, Israel head had targeted and taken
out another of his blost top commanders in Damascus, the
capital of Syria. And in response to that, that's when
Iron fired, you know, three hundred races at Israel, including
(14:37):
ICBMs and a bunch of Muslim countries were shooting those
down before they could even get to Israel and Saudi Arabia,
Jordan of all places. So just and then and then
you know, out of three hundred missiles, one of them
made it to the ground killed nobody'd injured a twelve
year old Bedouin.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Girl, right exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And uh it just oh my gosh, just that the
biggest embarrassment maybe in the history of warfare. Right, And
and so Iran this time, and I think they're really
hesitant to strike because what if this strike also fails
they try to hit Israel and it's another embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah. So, and I think the presidence.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Of yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, of us being in in the Middle East
as well, Yeah, the Abraham Lincoln is there.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And which is which is an aircraft carrier care group?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Right, and then you also have a nuclear sub in
the area.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
In the Persian Gulf. I mean, man, we're letting and
this is under the Biden administration. Everybody, everybody, you know,
take note. And that's important because I know the people,
including Christians, like to get political and you know, Republican
versus Democrat whatever. But listen, everybody, we talk about the
end times on this show. We are in the end times,
so we all need to be like like cognizant of
(15:46):
this and thinking about it and remember that this is
God's story. It's going to play out however God intends
it to play out. It doesn't matter who's in the
White House, it doesn't matter what party, His his will
is going to be accomplished. So yeah, it's during this
administration that that I like this response in Persian gold
Mine as showing us great series show force erondo Metha.
So terry, what does this all have to do with
(16:07):
the end times?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Well, because the Book of Zachariah in verse eight nineteen
says that the fast of the fourth month, the fast
of the fifth, the fast of the seventh, and the
fast of the tenth shall be joy and gladness and
cheerful feasts for the House of Jdah, And a couple
of verses later in Zachariah eight twenty two and twenty three,
it says, yes, many people's and strong nations shall come
(16:31):
to seek the Lord of Hosts in Jerusalem and to
pray before the Lord. Thus says the Lord of Hosts,
in those days, ten men from every language of the
nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man saying,
let us go with you, for we have heard that
God is with you.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's excellent, excellent reference. And so Bill, I think I
think it was an article that you printed. I read
it somewhere this morning. I think it's one of your
articles that the Jews now say that in that old timately,
eventually Tishabav will be will be one of their greatest
holidays to celebrate. Why, okay, so what what's a commemorating
(17:08):
principally specifically the destruction of the temple, the temples? Right,
so on we have to look forward to I'm telling
you temple Do you know do you know that just
this last Monday, Tuesday, you know, Tishabov this year, right,
So the Jews are all bracing themselves. It's a particularly
(17:29):
you know, important tish Abov because it's it's the first
one after October seventh, right, uh. And Ben Gavier, who
is a top Israeli politician, he goes up on the
Temple Mount with a whole bunch of Jews. I don't
know how many there were a lot. In fact, it
was a record number of Jews visiting the Temple Mount.
For Tishabov. That means more Jews visited on this Tishabov
(17:50):
than anyone prior to the destruction of the Second Temple
two thousand years ago. Yes, and not only that, but
there but we talked about this when I came back
from Israel last year, that that they're actually prostrating themselves
toward the delm of the Rock, which is where the
temple is supposed to be, standing right and and praying
and singing. I mean, I mean, this is so illegal.
(18:13):
This is so illegal that Benjamin Netanyahu himself came out
and said, guys, you gotta like reeled in. You were
violating the status quo. Ben Giverer said that, you know,
we don't care. I don't care. This is our spot
point is this is the Third Temple is coming soon.
I mean, I mean, just everywhere we look every day
there's something else in the news. It's clear that the
(18:34):
that the Jews, and I don't mean every single Jew
on planet Earth doesn't have to be every single one.
It's always a small group of people, right, A remnant
a remnant always Even in secular political science, you know,
there's a there's a famous saying by Rosa Luxemburg about
that that that you know something I forget how she
phrased it, but she said, you know how, you know,
(18:56):
can can a very small group of people really change
the whole world? And and she says, indeed, that's the
only thing that ever has it's always small people. So
but small group of people. And we're talking about, you know,
thousands and thousands of Jews every year visiting the Temple
mountain now and and again. They're praying, they're seeing all
(19:16):
that they're reading out of out of the Torah, reading
out loud right toward the toward the dumb of the rock.
The Jews already to rebuild the temple. They have the
red heifers, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I mean, yeah, the list goes on.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Yeah, I mean we're in the last days. Come on,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, before we go to this next song, I want
to I just want to quickly go over these headlines
that we didn't get to because we're you know, time.
But I RAN's Jesus Revolution that really caught my eye,
and really so I dug a little deeper into this
article and it says moss clothes as one million Muslims
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except Christ that's the Iran So this is off the Yeah,
this is just and this is by voice of the martyrs.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
So which is which is a very legitimate group. I mean,
if they say it, we can trust that's a very
trustworthy we have.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
There's a line in here that says, so, how is
the regime reacting to this with a reported fifty thousand
of the country's seventy five thousands mosques now closed?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I had no idea this.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
This article to me because this does not ring a bell. Okay,
I'll go back through my emails.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think I did this one. No, actually, this might
have been one of those that I kept for the
good news.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I like to keep himself. Yeah, we get on air.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, actually it is. It is the one of the
ones because I just I just was so. Yeah, is
dumbfounded the right word?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean? Glory away?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And this this is this is a great way to
illustrate a point that that I hope we make very
well on this show on occasion, is that this is
not a war against you know, us versus them. It's
not you know, God's God's not enemies with any you know,
human being. Okay, they make themselves enemies of God obviously
to Satan. But but God desires that everybody be saved.
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So it's not about Israelis versus Iranians, or Americans versus
Iranians or whatever. Right, it's it's all on a on
a person by personal level. The Holy Spirit is moving
all around the whole world. Yeah, and even in Muslim eskcatology,
they mus the Muslims themselves and their eschatology, their their
you know story the end times. Uh, they say that
a whole that during the Great Tribulation, they believe in
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a seven year great tribulation at the end of the age,
that that a whole bunch of Muslims are going to
defect from Islam and convert to Christianity. In their escatology
they called a false form of Christianity, which means it's
the real form of Christianity. Okay, you understand, right, Muslim
escatology is like the oral world, you know, compared to
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Christian Jewish opposite all though, yeah, it is. It just
it's like it takes Christian escatology and Jewish haskatology, you know,
flips it on its head. So you know their their
their Messiah is actually the Antichrist, et cetera, et cetera. Anyways,
but yeah, God's moving man, it's it is because you
know why.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because we're getting closed and he's coming back.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Jesus is coming back soon.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Yes, So if you believe that Jesus is the Son
of God and he died to save us from our sins,
then you also will be saved.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
One seventy ninety three one three eight hundred seventy two,
one ninety three thirteen Andrew rip up next for the
love of God and your Celebration Radio Network, and good
Friday morning, Good morning, your Celebration Radio Network.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Bill. Yes, certain, I called into the spring Sledgeweek to
announce that information about Iran. I thought it was eighty
mosques that had closed with your article says fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Announced it on pledge weeek Spring Pledge. So that's I
concur with that that statistic. Just so you know. Now,
I have a favorite ask of you. Do you have
a pencil and paper nearby?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
I'm going to give you a phone number.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
It's to zero eight five four four eight seven zero four.
That's the phone number from Marilyn Haskell.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh, yeah, I have Marilyn's number, I thinkmber on Okay, well.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I do now you just gave it to me.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Yes, I was just going to say that, but I
thought that would be redundant. But anyways, on September fourth,
she suffers her eightieth birthday, so she'll be an octogenarian.
So if you could pass that number out to anyone
who would like to call her and wish her happy
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birthday on September four, it will be a surprise and
delight for her to hear from old friends, if you will,
and just pass it on to whoever you think might
like to do that and goog on her a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Okay, yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, it'll some thanks, brother, Yeah,
it'll be.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
A nice little treat. I already sent her a couple
of things to goog on her for turning eighty and
all that. But we got to celebrate these little little
delights as they come forth dele and mocks in our life.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So yeah, those mild stones are are yeah, pretty important sometimes.
So yeah, turning eighty is definitely one of them.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
There you go, there you go. And also, many moons ago,
you sent out a video. Oh, by the way, I
have been removed from Facebook again. They dropped my account totally.
This time. I published I put on there too many
things about getting saved in Christ and issues of t
(25:11):
Schwab and all that, and I've been rebuked and taking
off many times for days at a time. No, you
can't post anything for the next three days.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
They're all that.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
But they finally got fed up and just took me off.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Wow, okay, And it came back up a few days later,
but all the information on my personal stuff was gone,
all my photos were gone, and all my friends were gone.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So they went on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Ryan wasn't part of that first part of that conversation
because he was doing stuff with his TikTok and they
sat down and you were already started that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So say that again real quick.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Because you just said all your friends were gone and
you may be real sad for a second.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, he's talked about Facebook. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Facebook dropped me totally long.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Because of why back up?
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it's because of my post
things for but I posted, well it's getting to be
then times as you were just talking about christis coming soon.
So I posted many times trusting christ Is stated, you
must do it now the hours of hen you know,
and thinks of that nature.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Oh sure, I guess they didn't like that. Gosh, they
just found a way to finally eliminate this guy and
then we don't have to worry about him.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, isn't that funny?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So you know, you know, I've got my These Final
Days Facebook page and the Facebook group, and I'm up
to like about ninety thousand followers on the Facebook page
and the stuff I post. I guarantee they would absolutely
rip me down in the second except over the last
fifteen years I've spent thousands of dollars advertising on Facebook
(27:00):
to build up thus pages. So they don't want to lawsuit.
And I'm not saying I would sue, but I think
I would sue.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know why not?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Doesn't the Bible say don't sue your brother. Mark Zuckerberg's
not my brother. No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, No, I'm not.
I'm not being very Christian, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Yeah, I know what you learn.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So why is the serpents in general as does so
the wise part of that would be to definitely go
after him because of the fact that you have ninety
thousand followers that I paid for that you basically paid
or yeah, and he should not have any right to
take it because of the free speech.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yes, so we're American citizens and there are laws of
this land. And remember that Paul was a Roman citizen
and he actually invoked that. Yeah, he did invoked his
rights as a Roman citizens. So there's nothing I'm Christian about.
And see Christians get that way like, oh, I can't sue.
I can't send myself.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Against your brother, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, if if it's something that happens but between someone
that's in the church kind of thing, not against the world.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
But check this out.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
So I don't know if I ever told you guys
this in the studio here. It's been about a year
since I could even advertise on Facebook because they took
away all of the target words Christian, Jesus, Bible, in Times,
anything happened to do with ministry. They've they've eliminated those, uh,
in their in their target words for advertising. Wow, so
there's no way to advertise to my target audience. There's
(28:27):
no way. Google did the same thing. So they're trying
to eke us out. However, they can.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah, yeah, I understand now that TikTok has begun to
do that as well. So in anticipation of that, I
dropped TikTok and Instagram because they seem to be on
the same bent now as as what happened to me
with Facebook.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So yeah, well that no one can see you, but
you're on TikTok right now because I'm filming.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, he's got his TikTok group going right now in yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
You know, because being in ministry, I mean, oh, please
give me break their own by China, I mean yeah,
and and nobody can actually hear you're part of the conversation. Unfortunately.
I think that's right exactly, it would be right, but
no all but but it being in ministry, I mean,
I mean, I'm going to utilize social media absolutely to
the extent that we can. But just noticing this over
(29:23):
over time, do you know, do you know what we
were talking about when we were on the air about
Tisha Bob the destruction of the temple, and I mentioned,
you know, they're ready, they have the red heifers. So
I wish I'd taken the time to say this. But
but a few months back, Kamas actually released a video
a Kamas spokesman who actually admitted not did admit it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
He said that the red heifers were were a primary,
if not the primary, provocation for the October seventh attack.
The red heifers. This is this guy, Kamas spokesman said,
this was the reason that we attached on October seventh
because it got these these red cows, they want to
rebuild a temple. Do you know that I posted that
on the Facebook page Facebook group about a week or
(30:08):
so ago. I went to repost it again. Guess what,
you can't. I don't I remember ever seeing that, but
but I tried to put the post on both places.
Facebook says this violates our policies. You can't post this.
So then I tried to send it in a private
Facebook message to our to my TFD class group, the
same thing there. Even in Facebook messenger a private message,
(30:28):
it says this violates our policy. So Facebook is some
for some reason trying to bury the story that Kamas.
It's It's not even like an Israeli guy claiming this,
it's a Kamas spokesman saying it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
So we know.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
The reason is because the media is so biased against
anything that has to do with the way that the
Jews are handling this.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They're they're the opposite.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
They want well, sure, but you know that the genocide
and you know, on all of these things and going
after them in the in the world court system, and yeah,
every thing that they've done since October seventh is because
they're anti.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Jewish, anti Semitic, ant anti Yet and yet everybody listened
to this, Okay.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
Anti rich Soba, by the way, apparently started to pass
on regatting Iran. I read an article quite a while
ago now that Iran is in an agreement to allow
the Jews to gather around the Rock and do that
prayer issue in anticipation of the new Temple, and the
(31:38):
reason was that they have decided that Mecca is more
important to them than the Rock.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Then then yeah, that's that's their way of trying to
distance themselves from the Palestinines have just been a disaster
for them. So Rick, was this an article that you
saw someplace er?
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Yeah, quite a while. I might have read it on
talk or Facebook or something, but it was quite a while.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
If you if you ever trap that down again, you know,
see it again or man to track it down, can
you send that to me because that's super important because listen, I.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Highly think I'm gonna find it because they've all cut
you off. But yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah you finally, I'll certainly and I'll look for that
because the because Iran, we know, is the principal backer
the Antichrist who wants to build the Third Temple. So
if Iran saying we're okay with the third, that's huge, huge,
So yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
It is a huge at I've found it significant when
I read it, but just to pass.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It on that might just be the very in exact
they need get that temple built.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's more significant than I'm gonna search for it right now.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
That is very opening that they need to bring that
to past. No notice though, how quietly that that has been.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh of course I never I didn't hear anything about it.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
So there, Well that's all right. I'm back to the doodle.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Whatever you guys, Sneaker duel today.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
God bless uh Caleb and John featuring Kin with somebody
like Me and your Celebration radio network. Well, I've got
pastor Ryan, John and Terry in the studio with me
this morning, and we've been talking about multiple articles with
the about the Middle East and I ran and and
the Jewish people, and.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There's there's a couple of other articles here.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I know that we talked about the million Muslims accepting
Christ and UH mosques closing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Pastor Greg Glory also put out an article UH this
last week and UH he he received a powerful mass
message from Billy Graham. UH, just a stunning way. The
generation is hungry for God today and Pastor Gray has
helped lead tens of thousands of people to the Christian Faith,
(34:04):
calling his decades of ministry a true privilege for doing
this for thirty five years now.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Past Craig has and he was speaking with CBN News,
and with.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So much chaosolding unfolding in the culture, the preacher said
he believes recent positive reactions to the Christian faith show
there is a spiritual hunger among Generation Z and millennials,
so that is some really good news. And he also
talks about like what Billy Grant had Billy Graham had
(34:38):
revealed to him about preaching the gospel. Also, he's seen
fifty thousand people show up in person at many many
events that for his Harvest crusades, and they held one
just this last July on the twentieth, just a few
weeks ago at Angels Stadium in Anaheim, California. That's where
(35:03):
he saw the fifty thousand people show up in person.
The fire marshall literally shut the doors and there were
people outside worshiping.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Ultimately, three thousand, five hundred people made a decision to
follow Christ and one thousand, five hundred more making the
same decision while tuning in online.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So some good news, Yeah, some good news. And they've
baptized in the last twelve months sixty five hundred people
for Harvest Church and then Harvest Ministry. So you know,
we've talked several times over the last few months about
what's happening in Florida for all those baptisms the fountains.
(35:47):
I mean, they were baptizing people in Texas in a
fountain because they weren't near a body of water. We
had the revival at Asbury that took off and is
still still affecting college campuses all around the world. Today
has been a year and a half, you know, just
a reminder of what happened in the in the seventies,
(36:07):
that Jesus Revolution that we you know, everybody was talking
about years prior. So on the anniversary of that actual
event at Asbury that took place fifty years ago, had
taken place again just a year and a half ago. Yeah,
some pretty cool stuff. So and Terry's got a pop
(36:31):
quiz I too, and we want to get to that
right now, So hit us.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
How many times is the word hallelujah in the New Testament?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I can't think of I can't even think of one
off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Is it in Revelation somewhere?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I mean it should be. If it's not, Yah, might
depend on the translation. M It seems like it's in Revelation.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, like chapter would think it would be or something, right, Yeah, okay,
chapter four, we're fifteen.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
We're stumbling here four times? Okay, and Ryan, you're really close.
It's in all four times in Revelations.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I should have over rely.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Okay, wow? Which okay? So which is what chapter? What
does that depict in Revelation? I'm turn the tables on her?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
There you go, that's the marriage supper of the lamb.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It is it is so Revelation Chapter nine.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You can do a very good job of turning the table.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Let me try again. What's three thousand nine times? Okay, anyways,
but yeah, so chapter nineteen, that's actually the second Coming
of Christ. Yeah, and yeah, never I did not that
never occurred to me before taking in there.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
When I heard that, I thought it's got to be
all over the place, right.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
That's actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Four times.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I'm watching a swimming series on revelation from another church
and they mentioned that, Wow, the one we watched.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I I'm going to totally like steal that and make
that part of my thing. I might give you credit, Terry, Okay, yeah,
Terry's head on the No. Seriously, that's that's a pretty
cool little piece of trivia.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah. Amen, Yeah, was that it? That was it? That's
the pop quiz.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
All right, Well you've learned the good you learning to
new today, folks.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
One eight hundred seven two one nine three one three
eight hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen. We're going
to get to some scripture coming up in just a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Uh. We got some music on the way right now.
It's C. C. Winings.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's my King on your Celebration Radio Network. Eight hundred
seven two one nine three one three one eight hundred
seven two one ninety three thirteen. Good Friday morning. That's
Toby Mack and his latest with Nothing Sweeter on your
Celebration Radio Network. We're at twenty four minutes to the
top of the hour. My name is Bill and in
the studio with me this morning is Pastor Ryan, John
and Terry and I really appreciate you guys being here
(38:53):
this morning and aving topics that we've been covering about
the Middle East and and what's been happening around the
world with uh, not only Iran and Muslims coming to
christ and Moss closing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You've got Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Battle Group and aircraft carrier and nuclear stuff in the
Persian golf and you've got yeah, we've got a lot
of stuff happening around the world. And I just was
in my office a few minutes ago, and President Biden
is doubling down on you know, the security and the
safety of Israel, and they.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Are not backing down from right from that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
So and we we of course have our own selfish
motives for that. If Iran creates chaos in the Middle East,
and you know see how we're honing on the Persian
Gulf oil y, I mean, we cannot afford for it's
to be cut off yet. But that's good. This is
how God works.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
That's it exactly.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
It works through our motives he does.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
But some exciting stuff happening, because all of that is
leading into what comes next, you know, the building of
the Temple, the Great Tribula, you've got the Antichrist, and
Jesus coming.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Back, the Second coming. Hellujah, Yeah times for you for it,
Thank you, Terry. And we did confirm it used four
times in the entire body the entire Bible, and that's
Revelation chapter nineteen.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Is that crazy, Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I'll get up.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's on my back pocket now, man.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And speaking of looking it up, we were talking about
last the last two weeks ago, we were in the
Book of Revelation in chapter four and we were talking
about John being caught up into heaven and and his
description of you know, what was going on and Jesus
showing him and there was a kind of a pre
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tribulation correlation and.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
This is that not just kind of this is this
is one go ahead?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
John's yeah, Well, I was just going to say what
you're going to say, which is this is the key
scripture that they talk about for the pre tribulation rapture
is proof of.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
It's being caught up, one of one of the primary
arguments in.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Favor of a pretribation.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
So if you look at like the ten arguments Biblical
arguments for pretribulation, Schrepcher, this is right up there, probably
in the top five. And Terry, why don't you read
the verse of our listeners?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Okay? This is Revelation chapter four, verse one. After these things,
I looked and behold a door standing open in heaven.
And the first voice which I heard was like a
trumpet speaking with me, saying, come up here, and I
will show you things which must take place after this.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Okay, perfect. So so this is this is at the
really the very beginning of the narrative of the INtime
story in the book Revelation right. Chapter one is an
introduction chapters two and three of the seven letters. So
write the very first verse before we get into the
and and so what the argument is, and doctor, you
know Tim Malhay wrote about this and his book Revelation Unveiled, right,
is that this is this is a type and shadow.
(41:45):
It's a picture of the rapture of the church John
being caught up or called up to heaven.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
And one thing I like about this argument is is
that it acknowledges a very important fact, which is that
the Book of Revelation is in chronological order. Okay, so
this argument is saying, look, this event happens before anything
else happens in the in the end time story in
the Book Revelation. So this means a pre tribulation rapture,
that the Church is raptured before anything else happens, you know,
(42:13):
in the like we talked about the last show. Though,
one problem with this is is that that that event
in you know, John being called up to Heaven, that
that he's in the Throne room and then he's shown
the vision. Well, the vision actually starts with the seven Seals,
which are the prelude to the Great Tribulation, and the
(42:34):
first seal. One of these days we're going to get
to the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. It's the first
four Seals. The first Horseman actually set out about two
hundred and fifty years ago. If we're interpreting this correctly,
we are, and the and the Great Tribulation doesn't start
and tell the first Trumpet, which is which is after
the seven Seals. So what that would imply then is
that the Church actually should have been raptured two hundred
(42:55):
and fifty years ago. If we're going by that chrome
logical argument that the deeper point of the start. By
the way, I've heard people say yeah, because you know,
it's the same word harpozzo in the Greek, which is
always get the word rapture. That's that's the word used
in Revelation chapter four, verse one. And it's it's one
hundred percent not the word harpozzo does not appear in
(43:15):
Revelation chapter four. The word for come up is annaba. Okay,
I'm looking at it right on my screen here. This
is from bible hub dot com. Not making this up.
So forget that argument. That's not true at all. So
but so, but but the core of this argument actually
is this that look, the proof is that the the
word church never shows up again in the entire book
(43:38):
of Revelation and tell the very very end, so the
so the whole all the chapters that describe the Great Tribulation,
the d the end of Christ, you never see the
word church again. You see it all over the place
in chapters one, two, three. This is true. But remember
we talked about this on the last show. There's a
lot of other ways to refer to the body of
Christ than the Church. For example, the body of Christ.
(43:58):
I just said one, right, there's this, there's all kinds
of symbolism. La, yeah, exactly. And the word church and revelation,
by the way, when it is used, it's used eleven
times in the Book of Revelation, it actually never even
means the body of Christ. When the word church is
used in Revelation, it always is referring to one of
those specific seven churches in Asia minor so so so.
(44:19):
But it creates a fun challenge for us because what
we teach on this show does not necessarily reflect the
view points of your celebration radio network or it is
a post tribulation rapture. And and thank you audience for
indulging us. We you know, hope you're having fun, you know,
listening to this. But but we teach a post reblation.
I think it's extremely exceedingly clear in scripture that it's
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it's going to be a post tribulation rapture. This is
this is a great challenge for us. Is the Church,
the body of Christ actually depicted in Revelation as being
on earth during the Great Tribulation and the Rain of
the Ani Christ, And why don't we go to some
music and then we'll try to get into some of
this next. Yeah, the next segment.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
One eight hundred seven two one nine three one three
eight hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen Brandon Lake
and Miracle Child is up next on your Celebration Radio Network.
Good Friday morning. We're at ten minutes to the top
of the hour on your Celebration Radio Network. Again, this
is Bill the phone number eight hundred seven two one
nine three one three one eight hundred seven two one
ninety three thirteen. Got Pastor Brian, John and Terry in
(45:25):
the studio with me for just a few more minutes. Yeah,
I want to say again, thank you so much guys
for being here. Really appreciate y'all.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah, love love me her. Yeah, and we don't even
have time for this, but real quick. The lady who's
just left this message with's her.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Name Missus English in Saint George, Utah.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So Missus English, just want to thank you. We I
had time to listen about half the message, but I
love the point you're making about God giving land to
other groups besides Israel, and just want to acknowledge that anyways, Okay,
we have to get a seriously, I'm gonna chew on
that one. So where are we John.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
We're in Revelation seven, and.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
We're looking for the body of Christ depicted in Revelation
on Earth during the Great Tribulation and the way the
Christ now listen, relation Chapter seven actually takes place right
before the seven year Great Tribulation begins, okay, because that
begins in chapter eight. So this is after almost to
the end of the Seven Seals. The Seven Seals starts
(46:21):
to take place here, so's to give us context. And
this is the future event, by.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
The way, okay, future event. After these things, I saw
four angels standing at the four corners of the Earth,
holding the four winds of the Earth, that the wind
should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or
in any tree. Then I saw another angels scending from
the east, having the seal of the Living God. And
he cried with a loud voice to the four angels
to whom it was granted to harm the earth and
(46:46):
the sea, saying, do not harm the earth, the sea,
or the trees till we have sealed the servants of
our God on their foreheads. And I heard a number
of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty four
thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel
were sealed. And then it goes through and lists of tribes.
(47:08):
So it's the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed,
and Reuben and God and Asher and Tali, Manassa, Simeon,
Simeon by Isakar Ishakar, say that Jubilan, Joseph and Benjamin,
those were all sealed. Twelve thousands.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Oh my gosh, so much going on here. This could
be a whole show, just like discussing this, which maybe
it will be our next show, right in two weeks,
we'll talk about this.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, that will be right.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
But what but what I but what we'll get people like,
you know, chewing on the meantime is first of all,
So so we get this picture of an angel going
around the resealing the servants of God on their foreheads.
Understand that this is not salvation and this is not
being filled to the Holy spit. This is something unprecedented,
kind of unpressent. It hasn't happened yet. This is a
future event. This will take place right before the seven
(48:00):
or Great Tribulation, begins, right, and what is this seal
on our foreheads? It's it's Is it going to be
a physical thing that you can see. No, I'm going
to go out on a limb here and say no,
it's a spiritual thing. But but we might think, well,
why why would we need some special seal? Well, ask God,
don't ask us. Right, But that said, again, this is
not entirely unprecedent. And think of the Jews, the Israelites
(48:23):
rather in the land of Goshen in Egypt. Uh, just
before that tenth plague.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Came the Death Angel.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah, the Angel of Death that they had to sacrifice
a perfect lamb we know that's archetype of Jesus and
put the blood on their door posts, their lentils. So right,
so that when that angel flew over, they would see
that sign, that physical sign, and know that whatever plague
God ascending that that they're going to be exempt from it.
It's going to pass over them and they're not going
(48:50):
to be that They're not going to be subject to
God's wrath. Okay, Likewise, we know from First less Onions
chapter five, verse.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Nine, we're not appointed unto wrath.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
To God's wrath. And this is this is a picture this.
It doesn't mean that we're not present for God's wrath.
It means that we are supernaturally protected from it. Okay,
we're not the target of Okay, something else. Most of
a lot of people who teach this topic the end Times,
they will look at this and they'll say, well, one
hundred and forty four thousand in this group is obviously
(49:19):
talking about Jews. It's not talking about Christians. Okay, I'm
going to say right now to get people ready for
our next show, right that that's not true. It says
God's servants, which include Christians and Jews. Not my opinion.
We're going to prove it scripturally. But this particular passage
in Revelation chapter seven is emphasizing the jewishness of this
(49:40):
group because God's people in the end Time story, but
cor Revelation Great Tribulation includes both Christians and Jews. We
are all in covenant with God. We're in the New Covenants. Christians,
Jews are in the Old Covenant. At the end of
the Great Tribulation, they all step into the New Covenant,
and the Old Covenant only pass away, et cetera, et cetera.
There's so much going on here that we're going to
(50:01):
next show, we're going to talk about why this shows
that it's God himself who initiates the Great tribulation, right,
Why this this kind of proves that the Great Tribulation
starts in chapter eight, because again this is chapter seven, right,
And and also something funny about that list of names.
So John, just there is real quickly read through the
(50:23):
names of the twelve tribes of Israel. But if you're
an avid student of the word, go back and look
at yourself a little bit off. Yeah, this list is.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And by the way, you'll.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Never see the twelve tribes listed in this way anywhere
else in the entire Bible. And there's some super amazing
stuff going on here. So so the best we could
do for this show is just a commercial for this
teaching get to it. Next show right coming soon, coming soon.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
And that's my stuff that always excites me. And we're
ending here.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Oh no, yeah, just when it starts getting good. Now
we know that. But you know, come back in two
weeks and you know more to come. So meantime, the
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do this show. And Bill, how can people support the radio?
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guys so much. Show and again we're going to be
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Eight hundred seven two one nine three one three Consumed
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Speaker 1 (52:34):
Oh what an awesome song.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Well, I hope you had an incredible Friday morning to
the start of your day, and we'll continue and Heavenly Father,
we want to thank you, oh, thank you for this
new day You've given us in the privilege that we
have to begin it with you each and every day.
As today continues to unfold for all of us, Lord,
give us your wisdom to handle any situation we encounter,
(52:57):
and let our speech be seasoned with your grace and
her thoughts.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Pleasing to you.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
We're so grateful to know that, regardless of where this
day does take us, you are right there in the
midst and there's no shortage of good things in your presence.
And in that presence, Lord, I asked that you just
let the listeners feel your loving arms wrapping around them.
The strength and encouragement they may need today. That provision
and or healing or restoration and deliverance all that they
(53:24):
need and they seek after in You, because you alone
are worthy and are able and help us to live
with the mindset on things above, to be heavenly and
kingdomly minded at all times, so that your light shines
through our lives into the dark world, and that the
precious name of Jesus is glorified. And in that name
(53:46):
of Jesus we pray Amen. Well again, thanks for allowing
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