✡️ What does the Apostle Paul - "Pharisee among Pharisees" - say about God's ultimate plan for the Jewish people?

✡️ What does the Apostle Paul - "Pharisee among Pharisees" - say about God's ultimate plan for the Jewish people?

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Episode Transcript

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That was Matt Marr and Chris Brownwithin the room on your Celebration Radio network.
We're at twenty two minutes after thehour. My name is Bill.
In the studio with me are myguys. We've got pastor Ryan and John
and if you could keep Terry inyour prayers. She is ill today,
has been actually all week, rightJohn, Yes, yes, yeah,

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so you said that she actually losther voice yesterday. Yes, she did.
Well, Yeah, she could havestill came down it just like her
presence. Yeah. Yeah, wemiss you, Terry, Yeah we do.
Yeah, just as spring cold right, yes, so yeah, all
the allergies and everything going through theair out here. Yeah, trying to

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have been trying to clear my throatall morning long. Yeah. I think
it's because I had some Portobella mushroomsand cheese and jlopinos, oh with onions
and Marion Air sauce and baked itin the oven last night. These things
were the size of wow. Imean they were huge. I know,
people can't see what I'm doing,but I mean audience, Yeah, you

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know, they're like probably six inchesportes a huge port Burgers were good.
Yeah, yeah, well these arebasically the patties you know, so,
yeah, but that's what I hadfor supper last night. There you go
hungry, Yeah, yeah, exactly. We had taco bell So I'm jealous,
but yeah, yeah, out ofthis world, I only had a

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steak. You guys, these wouldhave been really good with that. I
bet that's the next project. I'vegot a couple of thin steaks in the
freezer cooking because I have another packageof those mushrooms. So yeah. Anyway,
getting past food now and the hunger, uh, we have some really

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disturbing things that are happening in ourcountry, the United States of America,
that is supposed to be the landof the free, and we have things
that are happening at universities that havejust been I'm irate, you could say,
I mean that's yeah, it is. It's incredible to see how our

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higher learning facilities that are supposed toeducate people are not educating them right.
Well, actually it's way worse thanthat. They are educating them, but
it's in the wrong direction. Inthe wrong direction. It's you know,
Israel to you know, uh illegalentity. They're colonizers, their occupiers.
So and you guys know, Iyou know, with younger, I know

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it was thirty years ago, twentyfive years ago, whenever that was.
But but even then, you know, very liberal, very left leaning,
and I can't even imagine what itis today. We don't need to imagine,
we see, I mean calling itis Columbia and Yale and New York
University and so many others, evenCalifornia universities, a lot of the like

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I said, the higher learning.I mean we're talking major universities, not
just you know, these little ones, I mean the biggest ones that people
want to go to, you know, like Harvard and Yale, like Columbia
stages very and we get videos andarticles of how people are actually threatening to

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kill students because of where their heritagecomes because because I mean, well I
wasn't alive back then, but Idid do some reading and watched a lot
of movies and and uh you knowhistory books. Yeah, it kind of

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reminds me of the third right.I mean, you know, this is
very very behind it. It's it'spure evil. And uh, we've got,
like I said, students that arejust I mean they're showing signs that
point to peaceful Jewish students holding uptheir flag and signs in front of them

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saying Jihad's next target. Right,we've got go back to poland signs we
have. I mean there's which whichis like you were saying, the show
that is absolutely I mean we've gotother people chanting we are Hamas, yeah,
and they are, well, yeah, accurate. It's just it's it's

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it's brainwashing really, I mean,ignorance that it's best to just take these
kids and do what they're doing overthere. The same thing we talked about
that earlier, you know, withthe with the the young kids and how
they're training them to you know,annihilate Israel. Yeah, you had that,
that textbook you brought in that onetime just through Yeah. And this
article, this other article that Icame across that I received yesterday was the

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glorification of Jihad. It's an investigationshowing un palisting agency radicalizing kids to hate
Israel. Yeah, and there's azero question. But I's seen, well,
I know in our tower and ourtax money that we give the UN
is supporting this. Yeah, abillion and a half a year or something,
some chump change. Yeah. Yeah. So it's called UNREAD, the

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United Nations Relief and Works Agency,and they're they're a special organization within the
UN. The UN has like youknow, one hundred and fifty different organizations
around that was established shortly after ormaybe in nineteen forty eight to deal with
the Palestinian refugees. And so they'vebeen running these schools for you know,
the last four generations in the WestBank and in Gaza. And I've been

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to the schools in both places andit's it's not a lie. They're they're
you know, fully in doctry inthe kids, you know, murdered Jews,
you know, take back the entireHoly Land. And you guys have
heard that chant from the river tothe sea, Palestine will be free.
Well, there's no such thing asPalestine, right, Yeah, we've established

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that before, there never has been, right, right, But from the
river to the sea, that's that'sthe Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea,
which is one hundred percent of theentire Holy Land, which means no Israel
and more specifically no juice. Right. And and you know I've seen it,
I've heard it. I've I've beenthere, you know, multiple you
know times, and you and youguys know our friend we're talking about this
before the show. David Bedin overin Israel Center for policy research. Yeahs

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Nome's father. I told you guys, know, him and a deal be
here in November, so I'll havethem on the year and everything. But
he's been working, you know,against this for you know, probably thirty
years now, maybe longer, fightingthis with with UNRA and trying to you
know, bring to the world stageand bring to people's you know, realization
that the United Nations itself is fundingthe the upbringing America. Yeahica funding.

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Uh, I don't know if youguys recalled it. During the Trump administration,
Trump actually cut off all funding toobecause this, you know, it's
so obvious. So I showed youguys the textbook that I got into David
last time, you know, lasttime I was over in Israel, right
last last year, and uh yeah, in the Tech you guys saw it
first, and yeah, you knowit's glorifying terrorists and calling them heroes.

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And right there's a woman I can'tremember her name off the top of my
head, but but she uh dida suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, killed
like twenty six people, including abunch of kids. And the big picture,
I remember that picture. Yeah.Yeah. UNRA runs summer camps for
kids as young as five years oldin Gaza and even in the West Bank

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where the kids dress up. Youknow, they've got you know, fake
weapons and they practice murdering. Youknow, you pretend to be the Jew
and we'll murder you. I meanit's crazy. It was bad the United
Nations funding this. So so ifif listeners are interested in this topic,
it's not a fun topic, butwe have to open our eyes. We
have to see what's going on.Go to vimeo dot com. That's v

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I am EO most let's know,that's all right, vimeo dot com and
just type in the word search forthe word Ascar. It's spelled a s
K A R. And the firstvideo that comes up is ascar Unra Cradle
of Killers, Summer twenty twenty three. So this was just a shot,
yes, last last summer. Justyou know, literally that's the video of

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it that was showing the textbook andyet and things that I was watching and
I was looking at this and I'mgoing, this looks really familiar. Yeah,
and I realized it's the same videothat you had shown us, right,
this is this is David Bedeen hisorganization. Yeah, David is who
you know produced this. Yeah,you actually held that actual textbook, in

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actual textbook. Yeah. Creepy,Yeah, very creepy. But you know,
and you know it's all couched in, you know, mottos and slogans,
you know, the right of Returnand all that and uh. But
the underlying pretext, and it's nothidden again, is eliminate Israel, murder
all Jews. So it's time totake off the rose colored glasses and to

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see what they're actually doing. Yeah, and it now it's spilled over more
than ever it's always been here,but right more than we've ever seen,
you know, in history. It'sspilled over to our shores, to the
United Nations or the United States.So we're the country that's supposed to be,
you know, establishing Israel and defendingIsrael. And we really are the
only nation on earth that stands betweenIsrael and total annihilation. If the US

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didn't exist, if we weren't supportingIsrael. Israel, yeah, I mean,
they would have wiped them off themat. So to see this happen,
you know, and it's not justlike you were saying, you know
earlier, Bill, it's not justyou know, fringe organizations here in the
US, and they're they're over inWashington, DC doing protests. These are
like, you know, and John, you were saying, this our most

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prestigious universities, that the institutions herein the US, who are you know,
bringing up the next generation in doctrinatingthem, teaching them, and this
this is what's going in. Andit's not just the Jewish students who are
you know, across the road holdingup you know, pro Israel science.
It's any student that they figured out, hey, you know they're Jewish just

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from their last name or something,and they're they're attacking them and screening their
faces and threatening them, you know, literally with death threats, threatening to
kill them. And this is beingallowed because you know, I believe in
free speech, but this isn't freespeech. This is so I studied constitutional
law back in college, is oneof my classes, and this type of
speech is not protected by the USConstitution. You can't you can't yell fire

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in a movie theater unless there reallyis one right. You can't threaten to
murder somebody. That's that's not protectedspeech, especially based on their their you
know, race, religion. Yeah, nineteen thirties Eastern Europe all over again.
We're seeing it is what are wegoing to do about it. You
know, you know what, it'snot going to stop just there either.
I mean, it's this is goingto continue on. They're gonna they're going

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after, you know, the Jewishnation right now, but that's going to
roll right over into people who followChrist. Well, built didn't It's already
started, didn't it. What wouldyou say about that? There was a
one of the protesters, and shepointed to the students behind. Yeah,
yeah, well the sign actually pointsto them. Jihad your next target,
pointing to who who's the Jewish student? Jewish students holding Jewish flags? Oh

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okay, yeah, okay. Ithought you were saying that, because I've
heard this one too. First firstthe Jews, then the Christians. And
the way they say it is firstthe Saturday people, then the Sunday people
in reference to the Sabbath side.Right, So the Jews, so Muslims,
their Sabbath is actually Friday, theJesus Saturday, Christians is Sunday.

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But I've seen this in Israel,and I've seen it even in the United
States, like when I went tothe the rally in Manhattan, like you
know, three or four days afterOctober seventh, and this and they're not
hiding it. No, So theJews are first and then the Christians.
Is this the time? This isso much the end time story? And

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we also have Passover this week.Yeah, it's a coincide with this,
just on Monday. And on Mondayis when I believe it was Monday when
Israel actually responded to Iran's attacked.Yes, the Sunday before and uh,
it's I think I think it was. I think it was a day or

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two exactly, it was just aday or two before pass started. So
and think of the irony of that, because what is Passover celebrating, Well,
it's the Jews deliverance from from youknow, bondage and slave. Yeah,
and and and you know how manyattempts has there been throughout history,
you know, for for genocide againstthe Jews? And we know why that

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is? What? Why does youknow who's behind that Satan? Satan?
And why? Because which is chosenpeople? It's because it's because it's the
Jews through whom the motion Messiah comescame two thousand years ago, we d
stand. But he's still trying toRevelation chapter twelve, very very clear,
trying to stop almost his end aswell as we do. He does.

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But he's so crazy he still thinkshe can he thinks he can win.
Yeah, and that and that's thething. You know, we talked about
all this, you know, negativestuff on on this you know show right,
and and when you do an endtimes of ministry, you know,
can get a little bit dark andbe a little dark. But but this
is what we always want to emphasizethat, No, this is really good

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news because what this means is thatwe're in the the last stages of this
you know, millennium long fight betweennot good and evil and enlightened darkness.
It's between God and Satan. Yeah, that's the war, and we're in
the final stages of it. Andyeah, Bill, like you just said,
Man, we know, we knowhow it ends. Jesus is coming
back soon. That's that's what allthis means. So don't look at it
and get scared and get upset andall that. Look at and say,

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wow, my gosh, listen,we need to be heavenly and kingdomly minded
right when we live our lives onthis planet. This is not our final
destination. This is just what wepassed through to get to that final destination.
And because this earth is going topass away, the Bible tells us,
and God's going to create a newearth and a new heaven. And
so that's what we have to lookforward to when we're a follower of Christ.

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So when we're a believer, wegot to remember that this life is
very temporary. We have no ideaof our personal you know, lives,
of when they will end, whenwe'll take our last breath. Our last
breath here is our first breath inheaven. Although we three, we're not
going to die. We're going toget raped. Different topic either way,

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either way, if whether I beatyou there or not. We have to
remember as Christians that that the fightthat we fight is against principalities and powers
and wickedness and darkness of this world. Not that's not our flesh and blood

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enemy. So yeah, there canbe you know, there are wars and
all of that, but the eternalaspect of our lives, it doesn't end
here. Yeah, oh gosh,this is just the beginning. Yeah right,
yeah, this is our first life. You could say our second life
is eternal, and you know,we we know where we want to end

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up. So and this evil worldsystem, this has an expiration date and
it does soon. It really is. Yeah, we really are getting close
to the cell by date. Yeah, that's it. I always remember the
verse Matthew ten twenty eight. Ihad to looking up really quick and fear
not them that kill the body butare not able to kill the soul,
but rather fear him that is ableto destroy both soul and body and hell.

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So it's always that thing. Wealways always afraid of death. But
we shouldn't fear that. Oh,because us as followers of Christ and have
given our lives to Christ, theycan't do anything to us. All they
can skill the flesh. Well,it's like Paul says from the back,
to be present with the lower.So you should be fearing what's going to
happen next, what's going to happenthat's our eternal And also along those same

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lines, we need to remember thatthat, like you just said, our
enemy is not you know those aflesh and blood billy said that that these
kids who are protesting on the campuses, they're in deception. They're in darkness
right and there as much as Ifeel sorry for them, because we all,
you know, understand like we're inthe light. We we you know,

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we're assured of our eternal life.Uh, they're where they are right
now. I mean that's you know, they're they have nothing you know,
to hope for look forward to rightnow. I'm kind of guessing here most
of them are slated for, youknow, eternal damnation. So we need
to pray for them. I mean, it's it's hard, I know.
I mean, you know Jesus haspray for enemies, right, yes,

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yeah, and the least to keepyou and yeah, the presence of those
universities, they are in darkness anddeception. All Satan cares about is is
dragging every possible human that he can, that the highest number, you know,
possible of human beings down to hellwith him when the time comes and
God is trying to save every singleone of those people he saved us.

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Yeah, he wants to save them. To you, that's one of the
greatest things he uses. He usesfear a lot. And that's and that's
why I looked at that verse somuch, is because he uses fear.
And you talk about like Jesus eventalked about the great deception at the end,
the great falling Away. I guessyou'd say the great falling away and
people what's going to make them turnfrom their faith. It's more than likely

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going to be fear. The fear, the fear of death, the fear
of rejection, the fear of notbelonging to society, the feel of not
fitting in. All those fears comeinto play, which you can make people
easily fall away from the faith.Oh absolutely, I mean, you just
look at what's going on today andthat's what's going to happen. You start
seeing that, and that's what Satanuses against us because you know, as
we're scared little sheep. Sure,and there's times coming like I have never

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been seen on earth. Jesus all. That's where he coined the term great
tribulation. Yes, yeah, andthat is coming, and so as of
the days of Noah. So what'sour defense. It's to be born again,
first of fault, to be filledwith the Holy Spirit. We need
to be continually filled with the HolySpirit. Pray that every single day.
Father God, thank you for givingme the Holy Spirit in full measure.

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You go with that annoying John fifteen. Remain in me as I remain in
my Father, Remain as part ofthe vine. Remain, remain, remain,
and the other defense of course isGod's word. We have to be
knowledgeable about what the Bible really says. And that's why every single one of
us as believers, we can't relyon somebody else to spoon feed the word
to So as we do this showfor example, what are we doing.

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We're all the time reading the Wordof God and encouraging people go look at
it for yourselves. Dig in andif you're filled to the Holy Spirit,
he's going to illuminate to you thetruth. But John, that issue of
fear, the slightest bit of fearthat you're allowing to remain in you or
letting in, that's gonna that's gonnapotentially blind you to the truth of what
the Holy Spirit's trying to show you. Because if you're scared of what's happening

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now, what's coming, you're gonnayou're gonna be tempted to filter. You
know, here's here's what I wantthe Word to say. Yeah, don't
do that most literally, the mostdangerous thing you could ever ever do,
because that that puts you in aposition where you're susceptible to that great apotesy
that's coming. Exactly. Yeah,we don't want that. No, we

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do that happy Friday morning, right, but a great way to in the
world. Hey, just telling thetruth here, that's it. Yeah,
yeah, that is one seven two, one nine three, one three eight
hundred seven two one ninety three thirteen. Josh Baldwin with Jen Johnson coming up
next. Made for More on yourCelebration Radio Network. Ben Fuller with if

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I've got Jesus, I've got itall. Yes, we definitely need Jesus
and we have been discussing. PastorRyan and John are in the studio with
me again. Keep Terry in yourprayer. She's ill about the things that
are happening, and not only inour country, but with passover and the

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attack from Iran, and then wehad the retaliation. Do you call it
a retaliation or payback, I don'tknow whatever on Friday. We believe it
was on response on the on thenineteenth by Israel back at Iran. So
we've got all that happening, butwe also have things in the word that

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are getting fulfilled. I know therewas an article with Pastor Greglorie says that
prophecy is being fulfilled as we speakkind of thing. And we've got some
stuff we're going to get into.Why don't you set it up for us.
We'll get into it the next hour. But yeah, so this is
this is the great end times forwar. I mean when we're seeing it,
this is it, this is andthat's what mister greg was talking about,

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right, Yeah, so it reallystarted, you know, I say
on you know, nine to elevenback in two thousand and one the World
Trade Center, you know, attack, that was kind of the first first
shot fire. But we're just seeingit every year, just getting you know,
hot or not. So. Bigquestion is that we've been tackling the
last few shows, right, iswhat is God's ultimate plan and destiny for
the Jewish people. It's a reallyinteresting, intriguing question for us as Christians,

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right, right, And it's incrediblyimportant for us as Christians because so
many Christians have a very wrong ideaabout this. You know, two thousand
years ago, the Jews rejected theirMessiah, they rejected Christ. So they're
kind of out and Christians have kindof taken their place. And that's a
complete lie, right, It's justit's just not biflicult. So the last
few shows we were actually looking atOld Testament, a lot of Old Testament

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scripture, right, and we barelyeven you know, scratch the surface on
it about God's ultimate plan for theJewish people. If you believe God's word,
then you cannot deny that the Jews, you know that there's still God's
chosen people. There's you know,they're in covenant. They're going to step
into the New Covenant. They're they'regoing to receive you know, Jesus when
the time comes from cons back.But but here's now, we're going to

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kick it up a notch ok.That's the Old Testament. What about the
New Testament, which is all theChristian you know books the Bible right we
call Christian and in particular the ApostlePaul So so, I have a lot
of Jewish friends, as you guysknow, and I've been over days quite
a few times. I have,you know, one of my best friends
here in you know, the Statesis Rabbi Isaac Jarrett. You know,
you know, he was the rabbihere in Habitsu, you know recently and

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uh, and yeah, we're westill talk almost every day or every week.
But but but my Jewish friends herein the States over in Israel,
I remember sitting at you know,Shabbat dinner with a full orthodox rabbi and
his friends and man, they donot think highly of the Apostle Paul and
Bill you said it. Yeah,you know, he was a Pharisee,

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he was a Jew among Jews,he was educated, and he turned that's
what he called himself, right,and and you know he he turned against
the you know, his own peopleand went after this you know guy who
was pretending to be the Messiah,you know this Jesus guy. Yes,
you are right, And so theyreally don't like Paul until you know,
I come in and I'm bold,okay, and I step in. I

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and I say, hey, doyou want to see what Paul actually says
about the Jewish people and their ultimatefate? And I take them to Romans
chapters nine, ten, and eleven. And I swear every time in Israel
here in the States, whoever itis, full Orthodox, you know,
conservative, reformed Jew rabbi, whatever, every single time they completely turn.
It's a complete turnaround. It's like, wow, Paul actually said that.

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Yeah. So so stay tuned andin the next hour we're going to get
into what Paul actually says about theultimate fate of his countrymen, the Jews
Old Covenant Jews okay, and it'sprobably not what most of you think because
of again, replace it's called replacementtheology. We don't do that here.

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Yeah, you'll see, not right. But one thing that we need to
remember before we go to the newsis that the Jewish people as a whole.
I have a few Jewish friends thatare now Christians. So it's not
all of them, but ninety ninepercent of them don't have the New Testament

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as part of their Bible. Sothey wouldn't know what Paul said because they
would. Of course, they don'tread it. They don't want to see
what Paul says. He said,their bibles aren't completely different. It's called
the Torus. But even as Christians, we don't read everything that Paul says,
or even the Jesus says or whatever. I mean, not to get
like, you know, harsh here, but we really don't. We don't
understand what the Word really says aboutthese things, which is why these these

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wrong thoughts about the Jewish people comein. Do we need Christ to be
saved? Yeah, we do.Yes, He came for the Jews.
Yeah, and then and then thankGod he let us get crafted in you
know, THEUS gentiles. But Godhis promises are eternal, he never breaks
him. If it's asident in hisword, it's going to come to pass.

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So yeah, next hour we're goingto get into it. What what
is What does Paul say about oldKevin and Jews. It's it's eye opening.
Yeah. Amen one eight seven twoone nine three one three. That's
eight hundred seven two one ninety threethirteen. Good morning your Celebration Radio Network.
Hey, good morning Bill. Thisis Ike in Prescott Valley. Yes,

(25:25):
sir, calling in just a quickprairie quest. And then before I
get to that though, so enjoyRyan and John and you and just hanging
on every every word and oh wow, appreciate that. Thank you. Well,
yeah, looking forward to the secondhalf of Oh It's it's going to
be good. Yeah, stay tuned. Yeah, appreciate that. So yeah

(25:47):
so much. Hey, So I'mthe guy I should know better, but
I'm almost seventy five years old andthe wife and I traveling US seventy nine
Volkswagen pop top bus. No fine, wow, Yeah, well I talked
to you, I remember, Yeah, yeah, sometime back anyway, traveling
mercies. We're doing it in stages. We leave the old bush wherever and

(26:11):
right now it's in Reno at myson's house. We're going up to almost
the Canadian border and then over byNorth Dakota we leave the buds again.
So we're gone for almost a monthand traveling mercies for us if you would,
Okay, got ye, I gota house sitter for the Germans shepherd
here. You know how when yougo away. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(26:37):
I was just going to ask youif you were going to take him
with you. He's just too bigfor that. Wow. He's about traveling
mercies and we boon Dock, westop on blm land or National forest or
some rancher or farmers dry you know, dirt road to it. Wow,
that's cool. So anyway, blessingsyou guys, look forward to second half

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the show. Keep up the awesomeministry. Thank you. Yeah, and
have a great trip, have agood time. So yeah, stay safe
and have fun. You said yousaid North Dakota, right, that's what
they'll end up. Yeah yeah,bring us sweater. Yeah, almost to
Wilson, North Dakota. And thenwe got a couple other legs after that.
Well can we can we all gowith you? Or yeah, yeah

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we're going with you? Oh yeah, well crowd yeah right, I can't
take the German shepherd. But yeah, yeah, people in the seventies trying
to slip into that little bed andyeah, oh God has created such a
beautiful world, I know. Yeah, well okay, bless Yeah, thank

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you too, love you, yeah, love you too, God. Bless
bye bye always Only Jesus by MercyMe on your Celebration Radio Network. It's
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eight hundred seven two one nine threeone three one eight hundred seven to one
ninety three thirteen. Get in eitherfavorite, a prayer, request or comment
about what we've been talking about thismorning. We just heard from Mike a

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few minutes ago and him and hiswife are asking for prayer for traveling mercys.
They're packing up again and they're goingto be taking another trip for about
a month and and uh so we'llbe praying for them at the end of
the show before focus. And healso said, thank you for the show
this morning. Really loving it.Yeah, I appreciate it. Like,

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yeah, great, sounds like agreat trip. Yeah, right, North
Dakota, Canada, up by Canada, Yeah yeah, yeah, up there
in the bad Lands. Yeah.It is a beautiful area. It really
is. I've been there and uhyeah I haven't. Dont Dakota too,
So yeah, I've been both thosetwo. Yeah, you've never been to
Mount Russia. I've never been there. But you guys haven't been to Beirute,

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have you no? Okay? Yeah? Or Israel or well yeah,
there you go. Yeah, that'swhat're visiting? You have you have you
have us let's on that. Yeahfor Africa. Yeah, John's going to
Africa. Yeah. Right, andwhen is that trip again? Said it
is the end of June, beginningof July. Yeah, going to be

(29:10):
setting up some celebrate recallery recovery.Yeah, can't wait to hear about that
trip. Well, we're going rememberwe're gonna speaking your luggage. Yeah,
yeah, lots of pictures, videos, you got it Zambia. Yeah,
how fun? That is cool.So we were talking last hour. You
set us up to get into theNew Testament about God's promises to God's people,

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right, and so where are wegoing from there? Well, and
and I'll say this too, thatthat we need to understand this as Christians,
what God's plan is for the Jewsin the end times, because we
can't understand our own story unless wefully fully understand their story, because the
two stories happen in conjunction, sideby side, and this depicted throughout the
book Revelation, which we're going toget into a little bit, you know,

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along the way here in the meantime. Yeah, so the apostle Paul
Pharisee among Pharisees to this day verymuch not liked by the Jewish people because
like you said, Bill, whatwas the word you use? Turncoat?
Yeah, that he that he youknow, that he betrayed him, he
turned against him, right, solike a trader. And and and then

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like I said in the last hour, you know, my Jewish friends from
full Orthodox rabbis down to you know, just my regular friends in Israel here
in the States, every time Iread them this and they and they kind
of like change their minds. It'slike, oh, well, maybe this
Paul guy wasn't so so, youknow, anti Jewish whatever. So who's
reading our first? I am,Yeah, So let's yeah. So this

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is Romans chapter nine, and it'sverses one through five that says, I
tell you the truth in Christ,I am not lying. My conscious also
bearing me witness in the Holy Spiritthat I have great sorrow and continual grief
in my heart, for I couldwish that I myself were accused from Christ,

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accursed or cursed, a curse fromChrist. For my brethren, my
countrymen, according to the flesh,who are Israelites, to whom pertain the
adoption, the glory, the covenantsand giving of the law, the service
of God, and the promises ofwhom are the fathers, and from whom,

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according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all the eternally
blessed God. Amen. Okay,So is there any question at all who
Paul is talking about here? No? Yeah, right, And I actually
have that word highlighted in my noteshere exactly. So, so he's been

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very clear. And there's a reasonthat we're you know, starting with related.
Yeah, you go, because becauseagain we're we're we're opposing this this
crazy deceived notion of replacement theology,the idea the Christians have replaced Jews.
So we want to set this upright at the beginning of this long passage
chapters nine through eleven, that Paul, listen, he's not talking about Christians,

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obviously, He's saying, you know, I wish that I could be
a curse from Christ myself for mycountrymen's sake. You know who? You
know? According to the flesh,who's Paul? He's a Jew? Who
are Israelites? Right? He's towhom pertained the adoption, the glory of
the covenants, the giving of thelaw. He's talking about Old Covenant Jews.
And clearly he's not talking about Jewswho have converted to Christianity, because

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he's saying they're not saved, andI wish that they were. I you
know that it grieves me in myheart because they're not. So we have
this clear establishing of who Paul isreferring to. It's Old Covenant Jews.
This is New Testament when Paul writesthis. Right, So let's now that
that's established, let's keep reading.So John, what are you all right?

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So I'm looking at Romans ten andreading one through three, and this
says, brethren, my heart's desireand prayer to God for Israel is that
they may be saved. For Ibear them witness that they have a zeal
for God, but not according toknowledge, For they, being ignorant of
God's righteousness and seeking to establish theirown righteousness, have not submitted to the

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righteousness of God. So Paul isa Pharisee among pharisees. He understands,
he knows what the law is about. He knows that the old covenants about
that, and the Jews today,my Jewish friends today, they'll fully admit
it. Yeah, it's about ustrying to do righteous works in order to
appear righteous before God, and allof them knowing and admitting all my Rabbi

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friends say to this day, wecan't do it. It's impossible to perfectly
keep the law right. And what'sPaul saying here, He's saying, I
wish it's my heart's desire, myprayer to God, that is for Israel,
that it may be saved. Soagain, clearly he's not talking about
Christians. Christians are saved. He'stalking about Old Covenant Jews right right,
and what his desire is for them. So the next verse is Roman's eleven

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and even Roman chapter eleven, verseone. Why don't you go and read
that one? John, Okay,let me get there, come on the
phone. This is so key.Now listen to this, okay. So
Roman's eleven to one, I say, then, has God cast away his
people? Certainly not for I alsoam in Israelite of the seed of Abraham,
of the tribe of Benjamin. Okay, so, so has God cast

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away his people? So Paul isacknowledging that they they were still and are
still to this day, by theway, God's chosen people. And he's
saying, okay, does this meanbecause they're in ignorance right now, that
Gods cast them away? Certainly not. So this this already should get our
attention right right, right right,Bill, you want to read the next
one Romans chapter eleven, verses sixteenthrough eighteen. I will win the next

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break. Okay, Well that's right, oh man, time time flies and
you're having fun, yes, okay, So when we come back, we'll
get to the Paul's punchline. Yeah, yeah, one eight hundred seven two
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the middle, Cross, that's RattWalker on your Celebration Radio Network. We're
at twenty minutes to the top ofthe hour. My name is Bill and
in the studio with me this morningis Pastor Ryan and John. Again,
please continue to pray for terry andquick healing. Yes, she lost her
voice yesterday, so we are prayingthat she gets that back very soon so
she can yell at John. Ohboy, somebody has cake. She has

(35:30):
a yellow cake. Get down here, kay boy there? Yes, beautiful
dog too. He's so cute.I love him. Follow him on Facebook.
Ye. So we've been in Romanschapter nine for Romans chapter ten,

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and now we're going to Romans chaptereleven, right, and I encourage our
listeners. I mean, we're justlike you know, picking and choosing in
you know, a couple of rights. Yeah, there's many verses in all
three of these chapters. Yeah,go in and take a look for yourself.
Read all three chapters nine, ten, eleven to fully understand again what
God's ultimate plan is for his originalchosen people, his current chosen people,
the Jews. Right, we're alsohis chosen people as Christians. Yes,

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but that's only because guys, I'vesaid before, we've been grafted in to
that beaking of which and do youwonder we're going to two now? Right?
Why don't you go and read that? Yeah? It says in Romans
eleven one, it says, Isay, then, has God cast away
his people? Certainly not. Waityou read that, we read this one.

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Yeah, we're jumping down. Okay, so we're sixteen sorry through eighteen.
You're gonna wear my sixteen review.Okay, here we go. For
if the first fruit is holy,the lump is also holy. And if
that root is holy, so arethe branches. Go And if some of
the branches were broken off, andyou, being a wild olive tree,

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were grafted in among them and withthem became a partaker of the root and
the fatness of the olive tree,do not boast against the branches. But
if you do boast, remember thatyou do not support the root, but
the root supports you. Yeah.Ouch, So kidding very much, chastising

(37:22):
us as Christians say, don't dothis replacement theology thing. Don't boast against
the Jews. And he literally usedthe word holy. He says, yeah,
yes, new Kevenant Christians were holy, but so we're old Kevenant Jews.
And understand this, You're you're justgrafted in. We don't replace them,
We're grafted into that tree, graftedin. So at the end of

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verse seventeen, it says, youknow, Paul talks about the fatness of
the olive tree. So we shouldlook at the olive tree as a symbol
of Jews and Christians together. Soand we should point out here that there's
always a distinction for the rest ofeternity between old Kevin and Jews and New
kevinat Christians and the Jews will eventuallystep into the new cabinet, right,
But God always, for the restof attorney will make a distinction between the

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original chosen people, the Jews,and the new chosen people, which is
Christians who are grafted into that tree. Right. And if you want to
see more on that, go readabout the New Jerusalem in Revelation chapter twenty
one, and we'll get there eventuallyin our event shows here eventually. In
the meantime, let's wrap up whatPaul has to say about this. This
is their Roe clancher here. SoJohn, all right, we're looking at

(38:27):
Romans eleven. We're looking at twentyfive through thirty three. For I do
not desire, brethren, that youshould be ignorant of this mystery, lest
you should be wise in your ownopinion that blindness and part as a pass
happened to Israel until the fullness ofthe Gentiles has come in. And so
all Israel will be saved. Asit is written, the Deliverer will come
out of Zion, and he willturn away on godliness from Jacob. For

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this is my covenant with them.When I take away their sins. Concerning
the gospel, they are enemies foryour sake, But concerning the election they
are beloved for the sake of thefathers. For the gifts and the calling
of God are irrevocable. For asyou were once disobedient to God, yet

(39:12):
have now obtained mercy through their disobedience. Even so these also have now been
disobedient, that through the mercy shownyou, they also may obtain mercy.
For God has committed them all todisobedience, that He might have mercy on
all. Oh, the depth ofthe riches, both of the wisdom and

(39:35):
knowledge of God now unsearchable are hisjudgments and his ways past finding out.
Boy, Paul really is wordy,John, So we made him, really,
And that's why I love Paul becausehe's wordy, you know, right,
I get it. So so thisthis again, this is the clincher.
So so you know Paul saying thisis a mystery. He's saying that

(39:55):
the depth and riches of God's wismonologyand how unsearchable are his judgments and his
ways? Right? So right,so so we you know, if this
doesn't sound right to us, ifit's if it sounds weird, like like
really Paul saying that, Yeah,you're not going to get this, You're
not going to say this, butbut but but the but the original chosen
people are holy God's Uh where doeshe say for the gifts and calling of

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God? Verse twenty nine? Yeah, are irrevocable? Is that which means
that God does not revoke them?Right? Okay, they're they're eternal.
But look at what Paul says inverse twenty six, and what does he
say, My Gosh, and soall Israel will be saved. What does
he mean by Israel? Oh?Well, he means the Christians. No,
no, we're not part of ishaven't We just established that Paul is
very explicitly talking about Old Kevin andJuicy at the moment are not saved.

(40:44):
But but John, you made thepoint have through repentance, they they in
the end, they're all going torepent and turn and say that Jesus is
the Messiah and they're going to turntheir lives over to him and that's what
Paul saying. In the end,all Jans will be saved. So so,
and you know, we we wantto always make this clear that we're
not saying and I've heard some Christianssay this, it's it's not right that

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the Jews are saved by virtue ofthe Old Covenant. No they're not.
They're not saved by virtue of theOld Covenant. They're saved the exact same
way that everybody else is saved,which is through Yeshuahama, Jesus Christ,
Jesus the Messiah Acts Chapter four,verse twelve, which says, neither are
there's no other name under heaven givena moment whereby we must be saved exactly

(41:28):
Jesus's name. Yes, that's allwe are saved. That's through Jesus,
and that what will come to theFather except through me. Jesus even says
that. And you know Paul's evensaying this here, he's saying, in
the end, all Jews will besaved. They're going to be saved,
you know, at the end hesays how he says the deliver will come
out of Zion. Who's the deliver? It's a capital D D. Yes.
Here it's Jesus. That's Jesus.It's talking about the second Coming when

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when Jesus comes back, and thenat that in that moment, God will
turn all godliness away from Jacob,which is another name for Israel, right
right, and uh and and there'sanother like twist to this. But John,
you were going to say, Yeah, I was going to say,
if if you look at what's goingon in the world today, all the
anti Semitism and everything, it's it'slike it's it's Satan's way of trying to

(42:13):
derail or put off, or getrid of the second coming of the Messiah.
Yeah, because he if he believeshe can get rid of all the
Jews, then there's no one thereto repent. And if there's no one
there to repent, then Jesus won'tcome back and he can maintain his reign
on this earth. Wow, boom, Mike Trot. Yeah, don't wait
to drop the mic. He's expensive. We need to get a fake one

(42:34):
in there. That Yeah, exactly. This, that's the spirit of anti
Christ at work, is trying toeliminate the Jewish people. Listen, if
Satan, who knows the Bible betterthan any human alive backwards. And you
know from start to finish, right, right, Satan who's been around since
the beginning of all this, rightfor thousands of years. If Satan seems
to understand that the Jews are stillimportant to God, right, so hard

(42:58):
to wipe the yes? Why dowe know? Get that Satan understands this?
Why don't we not understand this?Right? So now here's here's the
twist all this and oh cool boy, I know that you know, we
need to wrap up this little segmenthere, so with something extremely controversial.
Likewise, so Paul says in theend, all Jews are going to be
saved, real, real, sincereJews who practice Olkevenant. Conversely, Paul

(43:20):
says in second thing on New chaptertwo, verse three, that not all
Christians are going to be saved inthe land. And that's the great apostesy
you're talking about that earlier that apparently, Paul says, during the time of
the Anti Christ is going to bea whole bunch of Christians who from appointed
deception because of fear, are goingto follow this person coming called the anti
Christ, thereby forfeiting their salvation.So when I show this to my Jewish

(43:44):
friends, it's like look, Paulsays, all Jews will be saved,
but not all Christians are going tobe in the end, right, A
lot of Christians are not going tobe saved. So talk about controversial.
Do we make anyone mad out there? I hope not. Just this is
God's word we're quoting here. It'sjust another reminder of how filled with the
Holy Spirit we need to be andto keep our lamps full. Like the

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ten Virgins. We do not wantto be like the five foolish virgins.
We want to be like the fivewise versions. They've kept their lamps full.
Our ultimate defense just be continually filledwith the Holy Spirit, that annoying
and staying in the word of theLord. It's so Yeah, He'll give
us that boldness and courage and faithwhen the time comes. And you know,
keep listen to the show we're bringingyou. Yeah the word Amen.

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Up next, it's Come Jesus,Come by Stephen mcmitter on your Celebration Radio
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(44:51):
Pastor Bryan and John in the studiowith us this morning, and we've been
going over some scripture and Romans,and we've got one more to go,
one more little verse, probably fromPaul. I say probably because scholars kind
of debate who wrote a debate.I believe it's Paul. I think it's
Paul. And the reason that scholars, you know, kind of kind of

(45:14):
resists that idea is because Hebrews haswritten so differently than all of Paul's other
letters. But think about this.Paul was a Pharisee among pharisees, right,
and this is the one letter ifhe did write it, that he
was writing to the Jews. Yes, every other letter was to gentile So
he had a dumb it down alittle bit for us. Let's just say
it like this, But when talkingto his own countryman, he's goes into

(45:35):
a great detail about the law andthe and the and the you know type
and shadow of you know God's youknow throne room in heaven. How that's
how the temple here on earth isa reflection that you know, etcetera,
etcetera. So yeah, So I'mgoing with Paul. And here's a Paul
I think says in Hebrews chapter eight, verse thirteen. Let me preface this
though that that I know a lotof people listening or some people listening might

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be as we're teaching this, thinking, well, yeah, but doesn't the
Bible say that the old covenants passedaway? The old covenant is obsolete?
Do you know it actually doesn't saythat. Again, it's isa Jesus John's
new favorite word, right, whichis which is true? That's reading into
you know what, you know,scripture, what you wanted to say.
Here's where they get that. Itis this verse. But listen to how

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the verses actually phrased Hebrews eight thirteen. In that he says, God write
a new covenant. He has madethe first obsolete. That's true. But
now watch this. He says,now what is We could stop right there,
right, but he says, nowwhat is becoming obsolete and growing old
is ready to vanish away. Sohe puts three conditional you know statements on

(46:43):
it. Right, he presses,it's not obsolete, it's becoming obsolete.
Now this was written you know,decades after probably a couple decades after Christ
ascended to Heaven. So we arewell into the New Covenant period. And
Paul doesn't say, if it's Paulthat the Old Covenant is obsolete. He
said, it's in the process ofbecoming obsolete. It's in the process of

(47:05):
growing old. It's in the it'sgetting ready to vanish away. So what
is that process. It's the twothousand years that we've been living in right
the time of the Gentiles, waitingfor the very very end when at the
according to Daniel, chapter nine,verse twenty four, we saw that write
that at the very end of theseven year Great Tribulation, the ry in
the Ender Christ, when Jesus comesback, that every single Jew, true

(47:30):
Jew right will step from the OldCovenant into the New Covenant. Then the
Old Covenant vanished, vanishes away,then it ceases. In the meantime,
there are millions of Jews out therewho are faithfully practicing, and and it's
pleasing to God. Not that notthat they're in that you know, kind
of like like you know, darkness, Paul says, just for a time.
But but they're that, they loveGod, they honor God, and

(47:51):
God is faithful to that covenant.The Old Covenant is still in operation.
I know it hurts, that saysChristians. Oh my gosh, it's God's
word. That's that's what says he. So there's a there's a question,
how does this process play out?I mean, what, why is it
that after the seven year Great Tribulationwe're in the Antichrist now all like every
Jew, every true Jew on Earthsteps into the and beyond, we're going

(48:12):
to give them that steps into theNew Covenant? Right? What how does
that take place? That's our nextshow. Yeah, Okay, it's going
to be a good one. Intwo weeks, come back and we're going
to get into the story of howthe Jews finally go from the Old Covenant
into the New Covenant after two thousandyears of Yeah, it's gonna be good
stuff. So yeah, I can'twait. Yeah. Right, And in

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you each and every day. Soas today continues to unfold for us,
Lord, give us your wisdom tohandle any situation we encounter. Let our
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grateful to know that, regardless ofwhere this day does take us, you
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Lord, and we just are sothankful for you help us to live
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