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October 10, 2025 • 69 mins
Social media platforms are getting REALLY picky. How do we speak about issues without using words?

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Whatever's on your mind. If you want to chat today,
the switchboard is Whine and I have been struggling with
sleep lately. Maybe you have as well. And it's all
about the state of the world, the state of things,
this insanity, and every day I think maybe it can't
get worse, and then I wake up and oh, look,

(01:17):
our troops have been deployed to a new city and
they kick somebody else's door down and zip tied. They're
five year old or whatever. You know. You know, the
president is on's the jailing of our mayors and governors
around the country. It's a war from within it's an
impending civil war. I watched the film Alex Garland's movie

(01:40):
from a couple of years ago, Civil War. I don't
think it was supposed to be a documentary, but if
you watch it, and the film is very clever in
the way that it doesn't assign a specific incidence, a cause,
doesn't name political parties. It is the kind of film
where it can apply across the board, and it talks

(02:04):
about the United States, where it is US versus them.
A lot of times you don't even know who the
enemy is. Some cities are on fire while other parts
of the country are totally peaceful, and those folks are
in denial that a civil war is even happening. They've
got their head in the sand. The normalization of terror
in this country. Civil War is a terrifying little movie,

(02:24):
and it kind of feels like it may be. I
don't know. I hope it never becomes an actual documentary
for this country, But we have become acclimated and I
think I cannot shut it off. Three in the morning, God,
how much, how worse, how many I just don't And
then I get up and I wander around, and then

(02:46):
I make the mistake of logging onto social media. Well,
that's a nightmare. So then I'm like, no, I'm gonna
go do something else. I've been watching again a movie
that chills me out, The Big Lebowski. Jeff Bridges has
been on the speaking circuit to promote the new Tron movie,
and so I was thinking of him. I kind of

(03:08):
was excited about Tron. Ares didn't care at all for
Tron Legacy. Thought it was a wasted opportunity, flashy, expensive.
I didn't give a shit. I just didn't care, which
is a huge problem with big effects, blockbuster type films, Right,
you don't care. How often are we like, Wow, that
was expensive, that's big I don't give a shit. That's

(03:30):
exactly how I felt about Tron Legacy. The only good
thing about that film, over the effects, was the soundtrack
by Daft Punk, which is legendary and I have it
in my car. I'm driving along all the time. All
the time, I'm listening to that, and they say the soundtrack,
who did the new one? Is at nine inch Nails

(03:51):
did the soundtrack for the new But they're saying the
film is not good empty calories. And Jeff Bridges is
out there and he did this thing on Jimmy Fallon,
where Jimmy was like, look, I want you to give
some advice to the world in character as the dude
from Big Lebowski. And so he puts on the dude's

(04:12):
sweater and he's got the sunglasses, and they bring him
out his favorite drink, which is a white Russian. He's
sitting there going, hey, man, we just need to dial
it down. Man, we need to just we're at the nine.
We need to go down to like a half. Everybody
just needs to abide with each other. I think one
of his great lines was we need to make sure

(04:34):
that ice is only in our glasses, all right, we
need to get rid of ice out there. We need
to put ice in our glasses. And there was that
kind of thing. And having seen The Big Lebowski thirty times,
I'm smiling ear to ear. So I told Natalie, you
know what would help me with my zen? I need
a Big Lebowski sweater. And she's just staring at me.

(04:54):
What are you talking about? No, no, no, it's the
Big Lebowski sweater. And these things are for sale. There
are knockoffs, and I guess there's a name brand that's
really expensive that nobody really needs, but you can find
the dude's sweater. I'm a dudast priest. I am registered
as an officiant. I could conduct weddings if I wanted,

(05:16):
as clergy with the Church of the Latter Day Dude,
which is a registered religion. Okay, I'm a dude. I'm
a dudist priest. The problem is, I've been having a
hard time abiding, keeping my mind limber, as he says
in the movie, because of all the shit that's going on.
So I've been browsing and I'm about to send Natalie

(05:38):
a link and go Okay, when Christmas gets here, for
forty six dollars, I would like a sweater from the
Big Labowski. I just saying. I'm just saying, FYI. This
weekend Sacramento, California, I'm going to be part of a

(06:01):
lineup on the capital steps for California Free Thought Day.
If you are anywhere near that region. Freethought Day dot
org has all the details that you need. Next week,
ghost Stories releases an annual tradition. Always excited to see
that sucker go out. I'm a little pissed right now.

(06:25):
I log on to YouTube. I'm just going to gripe
a little bit. I do not understand a culture where
YouTube decides that is something that pushes anybody's button or
steps a toe over this subjectively drawn line where something
is too controversial. Then they say, oh, we're you are

(06:49):
now not in violation because they don't drop or delete
the video, but they say you have disqualified yourself from
monetizing the video. Now, for those who are not aware,
those little ads that are usually a pain in the ass,
I'll admit the ones you click and skip ad Those

(07:09):
who don't use ad blockers probably realize that you are
actually helping people who post online to monetize what they do.
Which is the one of the reasons I'm able to
be a full time activist is because the advertisers that
Spreaker assigns to my podcast and the ads that are
assigned by Google to the YouTube videos that I release,

(07:34):
these produce revenue, and they're part of the streams that
feed the river. They allow me to pay the bills, right,
and it is our hope that the videos that are
more popular. You know, I can spend weeks on the
Brown Mansion ghost hunt video. I can spend weeks on it,
and I did it just took it took a long time.

(07:58):
It was a labor of love. Five views, that's just
how it goes. I know I'm not going to make anything.
I lost money on that sucker. Okay, fine, but I
interviewed Dave Farina, the science educator, and that thing's got
I think we're up to seventy eighty thousand views. We'll
all take that. And he talks about everything from OURFKA

(08:20):
Junior to Joe Rogan to Bill Maher, etc. And I
titled the video the Scumbags I've debunked because Farina, he
doesn't hold back and he calls these people's scumbags, et cetera. Right,
So I put it in the title. I get a
message in email notice from YouTube. Your video has been

(08:42):
demonetized due to a violation of our advertising guidelines, etc.
So they just yanked every freaking piece of revenue. I'm
going to get off that for what for? What for
the word scumbags? Are you shitting me? Like in the
arena of ideas, we have come to a point where
YouTube etc. Are thinking in reverse of how they should think.

(09:06):
And I'm just gonna throw it out here, all right,
because we've seen clickbaters left and right who have successfully
somehow worked the system. But I would think the more
controversial your title and the more extreme your content, and
the more provocative your video thumbnail is, the more people
click on it, and the more the advertiser gets exposed

(09:30):
to a potential audience, which means everybody wins. Google makes
money as if they need more, and the content creators
get money. We see people all the time who know
somehow how to work this system without getting tagged. Somebody
teach me that they can have a nothing video and

(09:50):
they know how to do a specific tag title thumbnail
and it gets a squillion views and somebody gets paid. Meanwhile,
I'm talking do a science communic cat about issues of
the day like vaccines and YouTube says you have crossed

(10:11):
the line. Our advertisers would want nothing to do with you.
Pull the plug, just I swear to you. Just irritates me,
irritates me, and then I'm having this conversation about what's
going to happen to content creators that this administration is
now deeming anti Christian and anti American, and they do

(10:35):
blend those things together. I saw an article in the
week that was published about God and country nationalism, that's
going on. This is not news to you. We've been
talking about it for years. I'm not going to beat
that dead horse, but I am talking about after Fallon
was dropped, I canceled Disney. I don't know if it
makes any difference. I don't need Disney, you know, I'm saying,

(10:59):
I'm hissed at Disney. Few spineless cockroaches is what the
hell is wrong with? What's the matter with these people?
And I have noticed I'm not going to go back
and resubscribe since Fallon was brought back in because I
think you you don't deserve me. And it doesn't make
any difference now, but it maybe makes me feel better. Colbert,

(11:22):
you know, they cancel his show, right, And we see
now this targeting of dissents, people who dare to come
forward and say, we're not a Christian nation. I'm not
even a Christian. Maybe we're not just citizens within the
subjectively drawn borders, but maybe we're citizens of the world

(11:43):
and we should not be shitty to each other. By
the way, I resist authoritarian dictator tyrant s grifter kings.
I would just like that on the record. So then
Donald Trump says, okay, there is now a war on
Christianity hashtag religious liberty. And then we begin at the
top the cancelation. We're seeing it happening in all these

(12:04):
strict requirements that are going on in universities. We're seeing
it happen in the media. We know the billionaires and
squillionaires out there, they're not going to act in our interests.
They're going to act in their own interests. These elite brolagarchs,
they're going to decide that acts and Facebook, etc. Are
going to serve whatever end they want. Talk about too
much power, and it's true Elon musket X could decide, Okay,

(12:30):
I would like to get in the good graces of
the founding fondler, Donald Trump. Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to do an algorithm that finds everything that
can be deemed anti Christian, which might be hate speech,
which could be called an incitement to violence, which according

(12:51):
to Stephen Miller, would equate to domestic terrorism, and then
pull the plug. Your account's gone. Every chance to get
your message out is gone. Any chance to monetize anything
you do is gone. Right, or they can just shadow
ban you. They can use the algorithms to make sure
you're there. You just don't get seen Zuckerberg. Don't tell

(13:13):
me that guy's got a moral compass. He's up in
the cabinet room at the White House with his head
so far up Donald Trump's ass. He could check for cavities.
You think he's going to operate in our interests. No,
he's gonna operate in his own. And if he wants
special favors, if he wants to maneuver himself in a

(13:33):
specific way by playing to this whole war on Christianity,
the anti Christians out there, the domestic terrorist, liberal democratic left,
progressive woke people out there, if he wants to do that,
he can then say, okay, fine, I'm going to either
shadow ban all of these atheist channels, any channel that's

(13:53):
not a Christian nationalist advocate channel, or I'm gonna call
him hate speech and dump them. Elon could welcome Alex
Jones back, Yay free speech. But he might turn around
then and say, ah, you know anybody who runs an
atheist channel by your gaunt, And he would have the
power to do that. He's got to what is his

(14:16):
new net worth number, five hundred billion dollars. It's obscene.
Somebody could be a wealth hoarder like that, a power
hoarder in a world with this much suffering, and you
and I are dangling on the string. What in the
world is the number of media companies that own I
think the top six that there are six companies that

(14:40):
own ninety percent of all the media. There are six
companies that own it. I remember back when I was
doing FM radio. This was actually before I got in
in ninety This was during the eighties. Reagan he was
in power, and he went in deregular the broadcasting industry.

(15:02):
All right, He's like, there's too much governmental interference, free market, right,
So he went in and he said, here's what we're
going to do. We're going to deregulate it so anybody
can play. It's going to be amazing. These people can
be what they want to be, and they can start
their own stations, and it's going to be a democratization
of the entire process. And you know what happened. Five
seconds after he deregulated, a few billionaire companies said, whoo,

(15:27):
the rules are now gone. They went in and sucked
up all the properties. They just vacuumed up the industry.
They controlled the flow of information, they control in many ways,
who's out there, who can be seen and heard in
some cases what can be said and what cannot be said?
And I'm looking at this going you know, the game

(15:49):
has changed for people like me. What in the world
happens if they decide, uh, oh, hate speech? Do I
have anti Christian bias? May be, but I would like
to say, actually, more, it's that I have seen Christianity
from the inside out. I know it's a debunked and
often harmful mythology and nothing is sacred in the arena

(16:12):
of ideas. A free speech culture allows and even welcomes
my voice to be able to say this is a
steamy bile of grap and people should reject it because
it's simply untrue and there's some really problematic stuff attached
to it. Is that anti Christian bias? Or am I

(16:34):
an opponent of at least fundamental Christianity? Because I understand
what the hell it is and how it works. That's
not bias, is it? I don't think it's bias? And
then how do we get past the oligarchs? But Heather
Cox Richardson calls the Brola garchs. How do we get

(16:56):
past them? To get the word outs. I know a
lot of people who are in journalism have sort of
split off to substack. Is substack going to be a
part of that? I mean, I don't know. Do are
we going to change the world on substack? I've got
an article that's been useful, or a channel with articles
a page rather But let's say they just decide YouTube

(17:23):
x Facebook under this new regime, the Gestapo, the American Gestapo, whatever,
they show up, and even if they don't throw us
into the back of a van, they decide, all right, fine,
we are going to remove your voice, your online voice,
and the ability to do what you do with any effectiveness.
Then what happens Natalie and I had that conversation, Holy shit,

(17:48):
Do we then deplete our savings to survive while we
put the house on the market and try to find
a place to live? And what else is going to happen?
And what happens if I do I I re enter
the workplace as a producer. Again, what happens with if
a potential employer googles my name? Do they want that

(18:10):
attached to a new employee? Maybe not in this state?
Probably So then can you afford to live somewhere else?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I We've looked elsewhere, and every time we go to
some place that's bluer or prettier, the price doubles are dribbles.
I will say this for Oklahoma, it's got a pretty
good cost of living. We get overwhelmed like what if,
what if, and then we think, no, it'll never happen,

(18:38):
It'll never happen. Well, we're going to be fine. I
would be grieved by the opportunity not having the opportunity
to be able to do what I love and what
I'm passionate about full time. I was part of a survey.
Oh gosh, years ago, there was a university survey about
atheists in the online space. One of the questions was,

(19:01):
and I hear this from apologist, well don't you take
money for what you do? As if somehow that's what
that nullifies the things that are being said. And I'm like, well,
you know, full time musicians love music, they make music.

(19:21):
They want to change the world through music. The goal
is to see them be able to do music full
time as an artist. We see this with painters. An
author writes a book and the marketplaces we would like
to read what's in that book, and it becomes popular
enough for them to be able to be a full
time author. That's the goal, that's the dream. Does that
mean the authors and the artist and the musicians? What

(19:44):
about pastors? Jesus, pastors on stage don't have to hear
this bullshit. Ah, you're a pastor who receives a salary. Hmm,
you must be a sellout? Do you hear that in
this country?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
You hear wow? Wow, he's a full time pastor. He's
able to to commit himself to what he truly believed in.
That's wonderful. That's wonderful. He's meeting a need, providing a service,
and he's able to speak to his own passions. Wonderful, wonderful.
I'm sorry if you're going to go after people like me,
you have just canceled out every full time or even
part time pastor on the planet. You hypocrites. God, So

(20:25):
what do you think about this culture that we're in?
Do you think that we are going to get you know,
we're shadow band at least the algorithms are going to
just go push us out of the picture and must say, well,
you're not banned. We don't know what's going on. No,
we haven't manipulated anything at all, it's just maybe your

(20:48):
opinions aren't that popular in this Christian nation. I can
hear him say it. I can hear him say it.
I would welcome your thoughts on this and anything else
that do you want to talk about. I would like
to talk about We go to the Phones in just

(21:08):
a moment, hang on, Welcome to what I am advertising
as a homogenized, inoffensive, and completely vanilla podcast, which really isn't.
As we go to the phones, I've got Brett calling

(21:30):
out of Salt Lake City at eight oh one. Brett,
are you there?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Hey, I'm here, Seth. Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I can welcome what's on your mind?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I was just kind of interesting. I subscribe to
your podcast and I went to click on it. All
of a sudden YouTube said something to the effect of
band or direct. I don't know exactly what it says.
I just saw the phone numb brought it, but I
couldn't get the YouTube video to come up at all.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Was it on this stream, Brett or was it on
another video?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I know it was on this stream right now. I'm
actually at some Jackson owayoming at a conference, and I
saw the notification come up, so I clicked on it,
and it immediately said this video is unavailable due to
directory content or something to that effect. But then it
had your phone number down below it for calling in,

(22:20):
which I thought was kind of strange. So you tell
me what's going on.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Well, and watching the chat other people have been able
to get in, they're asking about parental controls. I'm not
a conspiracy theorist, so you know, I tend to take
an Okham's razor position, like, well, it could have something
to do with a browser or something else that's going on.
But if you see that again, would you screenshot the
error and shoot me an email sat at satangars dot com.

(22:48):
I would would like to see that.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Absolutely, absolutely, I do that. But I just thought it
was very interesting, and like you say, you know, as
a former reformed Mormon, now I was in a little
a bit longer than you were as far as religious
stuff goes. But yeah, I ended up sixty plus years
in it before I did my deconstruction in that And

(23:10):
just like you said, when I started looking at what
the Mormon Church or the Church of Jesus Christ, of
Latter day Saints, whatever you want to call it, their
swing towards more Christian nationalism and stuff in their publications
in that it's getting downright brightening as all get out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I had a friend I was talking to yesterday and
he was right, Historically, when we see extremism go where
it's going, the pendulum will eventually crash back well in
the other direction. My problem is, it very often doesn't
do that without bloodshed, without people getting hurt and killed.
Somebody storms, the bast deal kind of thing. And I'm thinking,

(23:50):
right now we are right there on the razor's edge.
Do I think eventually things will crash back in the
other direction? Yeah, but the damage done? And then will
we see an American Civil war in the year twenty
twenty five twenty six? I have real fears about that,
Brett Fyi. I was looking in the chat. Apparently you

(24:11):
might be able to clear your browser cache and it
may work. And someone else said VPNs occasionally are a
problem when you're trying to access certain videos. That's a
starting point, and then we'll watch the comments sections and
see if anything else pops up. Okay, Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Seth. Hey, keep up with everything you're doing. Man, we
need your voice very thank you. It's awesome that you're
out there doing this.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
All right, Be safe on your travels. See you later, okay,
all right, all right, take care. But one thing that
I have been doing just on the side, well, I've
been asked over the years, you've heard me talk about
being a humanist wedding efficiant and that has been able
to make up for a little bit of what YouTube
is not giving me, and that's been kind of cool.

(24:55):
I just put a wedding efficient page on my personal website.
And there are people who they don't want a freaking
pastor to come out and conduct the wedding, and they
don't want to hire some nobody. They want somebody that
they can trust, who can throw some sentences in a
row and won't mock it up. And so they're like, hey,

(25:17):
would Seth come do it. I did my first wedding
I guess six five six years ago, and it was
so much fun. I'm one of those guys. Whenever I've
gone into weddings for my whole life, I've always thought
about all the things that should be done differently. Timmy
Gibson has been on this channel. He's a wedding officient.
He's an expangelical who is now doing critical videos of Christianity, etc.

(25:42):
And helping people on that journey along with me and
some others. And you know, we were talking about how
so many weddings are just like I sewed vanilla, these
homogenized things. The ring is a symbol and you know,
let's read out of Corinthians. Love his patient guide, Love
a budes love blah love, Love never fails. And then

(26:03):
there's a prayer and then Shanaiah Twain from this moment,
I have been less And then there's a unity candle
and then they kneel at the author and then there's
the same song for the intro and the outro and
there's almost no personality to it. And you've got a guy.
How many times have we talked about this with funerals?
Will the pastor co opt somebody's wedding to give a

(26:26):
freaking salvation message? Well, you know, God looks down upon us,
and we can have a union with Jesus if we
drop to our knees and say, Dear God, save my soul.
By the way, do you take this man? Do you
take this woman?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
We see it all the time, and I would be
in the audience going, God, jeez, let me come up
and finish this. I got this. So when I was
invited to officiate my first wedding and I got registered
with the I'm also registered with the Universal Life Church,
which is not a church. It's just kind of a
blanket everything where you can get registered and recognized in

(27:04):
all fifty states. I went up and I was like, yeah,
I'm able to do all the shit that I wish
everybody else would do. And it wasn't an anti religious thing.
We had religious family members show up and they're giving
me the side eye. Who is this guy? Then they
google my name. Oh my god, I can't believe that
they brought this man into our wedding. What's going to happen?

(27:24):
You know, our daughter, our son?

Speaker 5 (27:26):
What?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
How have they desecrated this holy union? And then after
it's all over, the same people who were giving me
the side eye come up and they give me a
great big hug and they're like, Wow, how much fun
was that, What a wonderful message, what a wonderful ceremony. Hey,
please stay as a guest in our home. It happens
almost every time, and so I maybe do three or

(27:50):
four weddings a year, and I'm starting to do more
and so it's something that if you are on the
hunt for an officiant who who won't turn the altar
into a soapbox, or doesn't even use an alter, or
doesn't necessarily want to go into a church, and doesn't
jam the message with God speak and makes it about

(28:10):
you and has a lot of fun doing it, I'm
your guy. And so I've got a wedding page, an
efficient page on my website. It's Seth Andrews dot com.
And thanks to the folks, the couples who allowed me
to be a part of their memories, because that's really
cool for me. I look back at the photos when
they pop up on Facebook memories and we're there, and
it's just cool, you know, it's very very cool. In fact,

(28:33):
one of the more recent weddings I did was for
Objectively Dan, who was part of the Street Epistemology website.
Let's see who's next three to one three, I'm going
to say it's Gary. Gary. Are you there?

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yes, Yes I am.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Let's talk what's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Well after your little rant there, I'm not sure the
same thing is. I was going to talk about the
YouTube thing, but now it just seems so small in comparison.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
No, tod talk to me. What was on your mind
when you dialed in?

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Well, YouTube is canceling everybody. I mean, look at it.
You can't talk like a human being on YouTube anymore.
You have to talk like a brain addled three year
old that's been hit too many times for telling the truth.
You can't use common words like deaph for example, or

(29:26):
gets you demonetized. It's stupid. I'm waiting for somebody with
common sense and that green stuff that's so popular to
replace it, because it needs replacing.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I have seen on social media where if you say
hot button words that they have to put a strike
through them or blur them out so that they don't
get kicked in the head by the algorithm. You know,
they don't get shadow band or they don't get deleted
outright for being inappropriate or offensive. I'm a bit worried
about this idea of us bubble wrapping the world, and

(30:05):
it's a fine line and it's situational. Some people are like, well,
this is just a courtesy. There are other people who
have gone through trauma, and we have to make sure
that we're not doing anything that is going to cause
anxiety to anybody who might be browsing, and to a degree,
I totally get that. I think content warnings have served us.
When I give a speech and I'm going to show
a slide, there is one I remember I showed with

(30:26):
someone who'd gotten a horrible burn on their body, and
before I do that, I will say, now, I'm going
to show you an intense slide. If you don't want
to look, turn your head right now, and I will
tell you when it's okay to look back. I think
content warnings are useful in a lot of ways. But
anytime when you see a healthy reaction, you will see
an overreaction. And I think we have spilled into a

(30:49):
point where we are bubble wrapping the world, where we
are infantilizing people all around us. And at some point,
and I know psychologists have a lot of conversations about this,
it becomes maladaptive for people who have been traumatized, who
have been through some shit. It becomes maladaptive for the

(31:11):
rest of the world to bend over backwards all the
time to make sure that they are not uncomfortable. It
is not necessarily my responsibility to always understand or keep
you in a place of like a mental neutral line.
At some point it becomes maladaptive. People who have been
through some shit have to adapt, have to overcome. It's

(31:35):
part of a healing, it's part of an overcoming and
an empowerment model. And so do I think it helps
people who have been impacted by suicide to see the
word suicide struck on a Facebook post, Well, they know
what the word is. It's not helping anybody. I think
it's almost like when you watch movies and somebody bleeps

(31:55):
out the swear word that everybody knows what it is.
I think at some point gotten ridiculous. And I think
YouTube qualifies. I think Facebook qualifies. A whole lot of
platforms qualify, and I would like to see an alternative
or a replacement Gary, but I don't think it's going
to happen anytime soon, do you.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
Well, I'm not on Facebook. I've never been on Facebook,
and their security issues are enough to keep me off,
So yeah, I can do without Facebook. But YouTube I
spend a lot of time on. I actually pay for
the premium, so I'm not buried in ads. Get but
it is. I go by a simple principle don't be

(32:35):
offensive and don't be easily offended, and I find that
gets me by ninety nine percent of the world. And yes,
the insult is infantization. My mouth doesn't want to work today.
Fantilization of the Internet is getting to the point where
what the bots aren't doing, the sensors are. I run

(32:56):
a small forum for me and my friends. I recently
had to basically ban all bots because they were just
eating off everything. Can you bang my site again and
again and again?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Can you root them out?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (33:09):
You can? Programs, Yes, yes you can. I don't know
what your web arrangements are, obviously, but I went through
my web host and they did that. They basically said
the bots couldn't get at my website anymore. The bots
are eating the Internet. I don't think that is a

(33:31):
controversial statement at all. We're going to have to start
internet too for the people.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
You bring me to an interesting place though, that I'm
going to talk about for just a little bit, and
I appreciate that. Gary. Was there anything else before I
move on? My friend?

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, say hi to Larry the Skeleton for me.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Larry the Skeleton as part of my Halloween display. Yes,
I will. I will go out and we'll do a
bony high five, which sounds vaguely naughty. Have a wonderful day,
Gary over. We'll see later you too, all right, bye bye,
all right. So there is a theory that in the

(34:09):
era of deep fakes, I was reading an article that
just terrified me a few days ago, and on the
thumbnail was the image of a beautiful woman, maybe thirty,
who was not real. The face looked real, but she
was AI. She was created by AI. And the conversation

(34:33):
has been happening about what is going to happen in
this It's already beginning to happen when anybody anywhere can
operate without having to involve a human being because they
have an analog that looks like a human being. We
know that Hollywood is scrambling to somehow protect images and faces,

(34:53):
right George Clooney, Oh, he's twenty million dollars for a movie.
We can go over here. We can make an Ai
Clooney that will look and sound just like and we'll
make our own movie and pay nothing. How much protection
does George Clooney have If they make George do something
that is absolutely heinous and horrible or wrong or stupid

(35:14):
or whatever, and it explodes on the internet, then the
bullshit asymmetry principle kicks in because it's a whole lot
harder to debunk a lie than it is to just
lie in the first place. So that's chaos. Next, we
have revenge porn, often literal revenge porn, where if someone

(35:37):
decides they want to map a woman's face onto an
AI video of a woman being raped, or map her
into a porn movie, or you know, anybody male or female,
you want to map them into a porn scene and
release them doing the most I don't know, outrageous that.
Let's say they spill from straight adult entertainment into degregation

(36:00):
and violence and something that's just untoward inhuman but they
map somebody else's face on it. What recourse do they have?
And then another question came up in a conversation, what
about pedophiles? Some monster creates a digital face that is

(36:20):
not an actual child and creates child porn.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
With it.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
And then keeps those videos on their hard drive. The
cops break in and say you're under arrest. What is
the person arrested for? Because no actual child was exploited? Right,
what does the laws say about that? And I don't
know the answer. There may be a law that speaks

(36:50):
to that. But it's terrifying because then the monsters among
us can say, well, I didn't hurt anybody. There were
no actual human being involved. I just kind of made
one up from scratch. I can have my bizarre, horrible,
monstrous fantasies without hurting anyone else. How does the laws
speak to that? Oh, it's terrifying. And then with all

(37:16):
of this insanity going on, and the fact that we
seem to know how to abuse technology even more than
we use it, will we see colonies, communities, and cultures
splinter off that reject technology. I'm unplugging from the Internet,
I'm giving on my cell phone, I am off the grid.

(37:41):
I'm going to go over here. We're going to have
a I don't know, neighborhood, town, city, community, region culture
that operates beyond all of the chaotic, crazy, and many
times offensive stuff that's happening in the technological world. And
we're going to get back to being human beings. And

(38:01):
I hate to bring up Star Trek Insurrection because it's
not a very good movie, but one of the concepts
of the film is that the enlightened culture is the
one that said, when you replace humans with technology, you
aren't fully able to be human or you're not able

(38:22):
to be fully alive. Right, I think he uses the
word the man. I don't know if the Baku were
men or women or they had another name. They weren't
bajorin all right, we're going to call them men and women.
And their idea was, we're going to go We're going
to live in these la Adobe huts and we're going
to spend thirty years learning how to paint and make,
you know, make quilts and shit like that, and we're

(38:43):
going to enjoy the wonders of nature together and get
back to just living our lives far from the trappings
of technology. And I wonder if we're going to see
subcultures that resist the oligarchs and the algorithms and all
those things, and they're going to become little pods. And

(39:06):
then what happens if those pods that are by definition
not going to have resources, right, if they're not running
around trying to make a squillion dollars, if they're not
wired in, if they're not influencers a few people know
who they are and what they're doing, then are they
even more easy meat for the billionaire abusers who decide

(39:27):
they're going to come in and steamroll right over him.
And what does that look like? This is the reason
I need a big Lebowski dude sweater because I think
about this stuff all day at all night. You know
what I'm saying. I think about it all the time.
I cannot shut it off. I need a switch. I
need to toggle. Can I just shut it off? How

(39:50):
do I shut it? How do you shut it off?
How do you shut it off? I'm going to say,
Gilbert is calling in a two to one zero?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Is that right, Wilbert, Yes, sir, down here in text ass.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Welcome to the show, and my condulence is very sorry
for your loss under Greg Abbot down there. Did I
hear that Abbot was authorizing National Guard troops to go
and invade Illinois? I think I read that yesterday. That's
a joy, hot wheels.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Just make a statement. I don't know what he's trying
to do.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I'm wanting to dog Abbot for being in a wheelchair.
That's not fair, but I will dog Abbot for being
a horrible human, right, So go ahead, Gilbert, whis on.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
You would like I said, I appreciate your program and
your channel. I hope you don't. They're trying to censor everybody.
I've only been an atheist since twenty nineteen. I'm sixty
four now, and like I said, we're all born atheist
and then we're programmed and this shit's thrown down our throats.
Like I remember what Lenny Bruce said back in sixty two.

(41:01):
If Jesus would have been crucified twenty years prior to that,
we'd all be wearing the electric chairs around our necks.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
You know.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Yeah, just a thought on that.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
I mean, no, I only read a bit of David
Humees or David Hume's writings, and read a lot of
voltaires like the Encyclopedia during his time. If you tell
some of these Christian butt heads they come at you
with Jesus, and you tell them when we're all born atheists,
you could see their brains hitting their foreheads at like

(41:31):
sixty miles an hour. Yeah, I just want to say that,
you know, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I've heard the claim that we're all born atheists. I'm there.
I think there's more to it. Doctor John Wathi has
written a book called The Illusion of God's Presence that
talks about how there are evolutionary triggers in the brain
that can be activated externally, which will cause many people

(41:57):
to respond, even as adults, in an infantile way, to
a guardian authority or parental figure. And it gets His
book is super thick. But you know, do we evolve
to filling gaps in our knowledge? And do sometimes those
gaps get filled with gods? Are there tendencies that lean
people into the belief and a cosmic other out there?

(42:21):
You know, we're all born atheist. I understand, I agree,
but I mean, belief is messy, and I think it's
a lot of It speaks to how we have evolved.
It doesn't mean that it was rational. It just means
we were ignorant.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Christopher Hitchins said it was religions were our first explanation
for everything. But because they were our first, they were
our worst. Right, yes, sir, all right.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Because a lot of these Christian nationalists were there, Jesus
in like one of those little pocket pouches that they
could pull out at the drop of a hat. Or
someone says, God bless you.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I don't put anything to that, God bless you have
a last day be blast. I don't chirp on that stuff.
Hey appreciate, you know, have a good day, thanks for
the thanks for the good will.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
You know, no, I don't. I don't respond to it
at all. If I do, I say, go fuck yourself
with what's going down here at the border with the
you know, these Christians, they call themselves Christians, trying to
get a free country, and yet it's the Christians, the
national Christian nationalists that are persecuting them, I mean, ripping
the families apart down here in Texas, putting the killer

(43:30):
ducks along the border, and they're applauding the death of
people along the border and call it, like Dylan said,
God on our side, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
And it's definitely a culture of cruelty, Gilbert, it definitely is.
I agree with that. I'm going to move on to
my next call, though, and I appreciate you very much.
You'd be safe down there south of US. Okay, here
we go, all right, We'll see you later. Dale at
eight five eight. You've been very patient, are you there?
I am, let's talk puts on your mind.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
But first I wanted to say thank you. My name
is Dale, by the way, and I just wanted to
say thank you your book. I come out of the
Midwest and had a long struggle with a Southern Baptists
bringing up and it was very intense. I like to
equate it as the isis of Christianity if we step
around and look at what everything is your efforts and

(44:22):
I happen to notice in the chat I saw Matt
Deyla Hunt's name come out. And I appreciate the work
you all are doing because you provide a stability and
a place where people can hear honesty and clarity. One
of the things I really enjoyed so much about listening
to you this morning was to hear your voice shape
because you are exasperated and I think about these things
all the way too, or all the time too. I

(44:45):
can't shut it off. And what I found was that
I did have to step away from the constant wheel
turning of going through YouTube. I have no social media,
I have no TV, so I get less poison from
these click ins. But I do have a YouTube, and
I go through it and I use it as a
way to express myself. But throughout my life, you Christopher Hitchings,

(45:06):
the various representatives that are actually the voice of a reason.
I'm very happy that you found me, and I actually
have to say saved me from the situation I was
in with religion and I'm dealing with a lot of
things that happened, and it is the religious version of
the Taliman and the isis it's just on the other
side of the river. With so many things that are

(45:28):
going on right now. I'd like to say, even with
the technology, it's a new frontier and we have to
understand that. Yes, it's nice to be terrified of the
new frontier, but humans and their evolution, there's going to
be casualties. From the first time we ate the Berrier
hate give it to Mike, let him even if he
passes out. There, ain't that berry. We have to experiment
and play. Yes, it's dangerous, and you brought up some
very good points about technology. I also wanted to bring

(45:51):
up a transitional thing. I am so happy in a
way that I'm able to live in a generation where
we can watch a certain way and a certain approach
to life. And I'm going to say those are born
prior to We're around nineteen sixty five. That way of
life and this ideology is becoming history and we are
watching the last of this. We are actually watching the

(46:12):
eighties die right now, which is beneficial and encouraging to
us because the people sitting in the middle of this
have to take our children, who if you've noticed, our
children has been protected by us because we know how
crappy our braking up was, so we're trying to protect
our children, and now we overprotected them and they're playing
with new technology where we're coming out of the day
we could not talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'm talking into a box.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
This is Star Trek to me a cell phone. This
I remember the first time I sent a text. So
we have to realize we are children playing with toys
that are so much beyond our capabilities and our understandings.
At the moment, the only way we can learn is
to push the envelope. I'm not happy with what's happening
in the United States. I've had to tell my foreign
born wife and my mixed song, you guys have to

(46:55):
be careful. This place is dangerous. And they didn't believe
me until they have gone here. And it's so unfortunate
that I watched our country in a figurative manner switch
from twenty twenty five to nineteen thirty six. It just
is so crystal clear as we watch through all of
our generations though, and the way you said, how do

(47:16):
you get through it every day? Well, it's terrifying one
as an atheist that reality and annoying that I don't
have anything after I'm done here. Everything I do, whether
it's good or bad, has to be done on this life.
Just like Carl Sagan said, everything humanity was as was
on this pale blue dot. And when you think about
how small we are and how violent the individual feels

(47:40):
inside us opposed to how small we are in the
big universe, we all need to really kind of chill
out and say, hey, our next step because we are
all going to have to get off this rock eventually,
and we're going to poison it. People are like a cancer,
a virus on this place, So eventually we're going to
have to go somewhere else. If we don't figure it out,
then we're going to end up having another group of
life dig us out of the ground like we are
doing the dynast source. And in the meantime, other people

(48:03):
like you and Christopher Hitchin, Matt Dyllan, Honey, Aaron Row.
I mean, I'm going through a list of people that
have been so important in my life and in what
you're doing. I can't see it took me two weeks
to make this phone call. I happened to see your
number of weeks ago, and I didn't have the strength
to do it, but to see you sitting there as
I owe this man, thank you for what he did.
And I want you to let you know every single

(48:24):
day when I come out and I hear the voice
of reason from you gentlemen and you ladies out there
who don't believe in fairy tales and fantasies, I appreciate
it all across the country, all across the world, because
we have to take our moral compass, which comes from
nowhere but within ourselves and our conscience, and we have
to take that moral compass and the strength of who
we are as a generation and say, this is where

(48:44):
we can have a community. This is where brother, you're
a brother, Sister you're a sister. I don't care what
color you I don't care where do you put your genial.
I don't care what you do is as long as
you do it legally. Unfortunately, we have leaders in a
system right now that have problems with that. There are
moral compasses off and thank goodness for conscience, because I
think we've lost our conscience. Seth thank you for letting

(49:04):
me ramble and go on. I hope I didn't waste
your time.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
No, I'm just sitting back here, just soaking it in Dale.
You're very kind. Thanks for the generous words, and be
safe and we'll talk again, okay, my friend, Yes, sir,
Thanks all right, take care. Always get a little squirmy
when I hear my name in the same sentence as Hitchins.
It's not hero worship. I just know Hitchins was an encyclopedia.

(49:29):
It was just amazing. I still go back and watch
hitches older video well, and I mean they're all older videos.
We lost him, I think in twenty eleven, but you know,
his debates and his speeches and his presentations and they
still inspire me and inform me. But his recall and
then his ability to be able to even if I

(49:51):
you know, I didn't always agree with hitch We split
on the Iraq War and some other things, but overall,
I think this guy was an in intellectual giant. And
I don't think that's it's not hero worship. It's just
holy shit. He was something very special. So I don't
like hearing my name and I mean I'm thankful. I'm

(50:11):
grateful to you know what I'm saying. I'm just a
guy didn't graduate from Oxford, didn't rite for Vanity Fair.
I don't have a Wikipedia in my brain for cultural, social, historical,
and religious references far and wide. I'm not as funny
as him, you know what I'm saying, But I remain

(50:34):
a fan. More to talk about than plenty more calls.
We continue next. Been talking about all the free thought
events on the horizon. I mentioned California. I'm also going
to be speaking in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Denver, Colorado

(50:55):
coming up in the next weeks. Details at Seth Andrews.
Let's see, Joe is dialing in from two zero one, Pennsylvania.
Is that right, Joe, Yeah, that's right. Welcome, what's on
your mind?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
I called it a little late, but I've been wanting
to get on your show and say hello to you
and thank you so much for maybe a couple of
maybe about two years now. But when you were talking
about deep fakes, and we're talking about obviously like the
blackmail type of stuff where you put someone's face on
something and had the words come out, that the scariest

(51:38):
part to me is, you know, you take a political
leader and if it's done well enough, if it suits
your aims, whether you're Donald Trump or some other right
wing people, and you have maybe a deep fake type
of comment from Vladimir Putin or something like that talking
about announcing it an attack, you know, something similar like that,

(52:00):
people are going to fall for that stuff, and then
it kind of gives you that like almost like that
false flag kind of reason to attack, you know. So
that kind of thing bothers me and your topic title
here I can see on YouTube is will lead YouTube
cancel atheists, And I think that's that's just down the line,

(52:20):
you know, And I worry about people like you, and
I happen to work for a pretty liberal television network.
I won't say it to expose, but yeah, I'm waiting
for some digit doors to be locked up and be
out of work. And I'll keep it short. There's one

(52:41):
burning question I have for you, because first of all,
I love your show open what it's evolved to, and
it has been for a while, and you probably can't
disclose a name, but I'm so curious about the woman
who says I tell the truth, because I tell the truth,
I just love the way she says that, And I
was just curious, like where you pulled that from, and

(53:04):
is it a personal experience.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Or that's from a Find It comedy stand up from
Sarah Silverman, who is an atheist who, in her inimitable style,
goes after religion. And I can't remember off the top
of my head the comedy special, but she was essentially saying,
I tell the truth. Because I tell the truth, I

(53:26):
don't need a book, write a magic book to tell
me to do it. And I just liked the line
and so I grabbed it and stuck it in the
show in Truth. But that is Sarah Silverman. I encourage
you to look up some of her commentary on it.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
Yeah, I had, I did not recognize a voice, and
I just love the way she punctuates that. It's just awesome.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well, Joe, I appreciate you. I think you and I
are watching the world.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
We like it.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
What's that line from Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park? Right,
humans like to say, just because we could do something,
we don't stop to ask if we should. And I
think that may be one of the defining things about
human nature. We like to move super fast without considering
or caring about the consequences, or I don't know, maybe
we want the consequences. Maybe some people are excited about

(54:12):
this wild new world.

Speaker 8 (54:14):
Maybe like kind of like watching a train wreck, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I mean, technology is going to bring us ais bring.
It brought us some amazing stuff. I don't want to
be that guy. I'm just saying that we tend to
the downside. I warry is going to outweigh the upside.
And I don't think that makes me a stick in
the mud. And this is not like the invention of
the internet. This is something else. This is the ability

(54:38):
to lie in a very specific way that is going
to create mass chaos and is going to destroy lives,
and it's going to in a way we've never seen
before protect monsters. And I don't think we can look
back at the technologies of our past and people who

(54:58):
said no, no, no, you know, books are bad and
computers are evil and all these things. I don't think
deep fakes, AI, et cetera fall into that same category.
I think they're a unique animal. But Joe, you're much appreciated,
and so are your kind words be safe in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
Okay, Oh yeah, real quick, I just listened to a
podcast where David from I think he's from the Atlantic,
and he interviewed Sam Harris, who I may not agree
with one hundred but it's very interesting about what they're
talking about with the deep fakes and AI, especially AI,

(55:36):
where IA is we're heading headlong into this and it's
an interesting podcast if you listen.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Is one of the What was the vibe? Was it
concern about what may happen?

Speaker 8 (55:47):
Yeah, it was concerned. I mean, you know, Sam Harris
kind of like Dawkins, they're kind of against the woke culture,
and I, you know, I consider myself pretty progressive liberal,
and I was upset with all the super right wingers
and Trumpians who were so deadly against you know, fair

(56:08):
you know, fareness, woke, the DEI. But both of them
made really good points. Sim Harrison is brilliant. But it
was it was basically about how AI could possibly you know,
change us or take us down this bad pathway and
Tim Harris had a little hope that we would. It's

(56:28):
going to go this way. It's like, you know, what
are you going to do? We're heading this way and
it's we're just going to have to hopefully wake up
at some point try to do something about it, but
it is a little crazy. I'm luckily I'm old. I'm
seventy one. And just as an aside, I discovered I
was an atheist back in the sixties when I was

(56:50):
like ten years old. I don't know why they came
to me at that age, but I kept going with
the I'm an agnostic thing because it was so hard
to say in those days. I don't believe in God,
you know, I don't. And uh when I stumbled onto
you through people like Christopher Hitchens whatever, and I've been

(57:10):
listening to him. He's, you know, awesomely funny and brilliant guy,
like amazing, like as you just said that, his recall
of books, the knowledge, the quotations of the writers, just amazing.
But I stumbled on to you and you're a nice,
even que on the subject, and that's refreshing.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Well, you're very right.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
I will keep you.

Speaker 8 (57:36):
I'm really glad I got through to you. Is I've
been dreaming this moment for a while.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
You Hopefully I'll get a chance to come out east
and we'll shake hands someday.

Speaker 8 (57:45):
Okay, thanks, friend, take care?

Speaker 9 (57:49):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Alam who was calling on the internet? Were a weblink
iron Alum, wonderful, thanks for calling. What's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (58:00):
Thinking about this whole AI think? And I remember you
posted something. I think it was on Instagram, whether AI
can have consciousness? And I've been thinking about the quote soul.
I think as atheists we don't have much reason to
think I cannot have a quotquote soul because a sufficiently

(58:23):
advanced AI could be indistinguishable from a way the human
brain operates. Don't you think? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I want to know your Are we conflating soul and consciousness?
Most people believe the soul is an extra natural, separate
thing beyond the physical brain. Do you think that souls
exist beyond the physical brain?

Speaker 9 (58:45):
Oh no, that's what I say, Souce. A lot of
people think souls and consciousness is some kind of synonym.
I don't think that's the case. That I think maybe
if AI can get to the point that can similar
perfectly the human brain. I don't think we have a
residence not to or start making laws to protect AI

(59:07):
in a way.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I'm not trying to be a politician about it, but
I go back and forth. If we see the brain
as a computer that does calculations, and we see computers
themselves that we have made that increasingly do calculations at
a faster and faster rate. Could then a computer become
self aware? And I won't say it's impossible, because we

(59:33):
see the brain is the mind, and our minds simply
are calculation machines. And I think the feelings and consciousness,
all those things are part of the calculations. Now, I
don't think it's going to happen anytime really soon. But
could we develop technology that is able to calculate so
deeply and so fast that it does become self aware?

(59:55):
I can't discount it, but I could be totally wrong.
This is not my field. What do you think you
think will make sentient conscious computers?

Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
I think it's possible. I don't know if I will
say that in my lifetime, but I think it's it's
really possible.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Well, it's something to watch. Was there anything else, my friend?

Speaker 9 (01:00:15):
No, I think that that would be it. I mean,
thank you for taking my call, and also I wanted
to say that I really admired your work.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Thank you very much. All Right, I see you're calling
from Mexico. Be safe down there, my friend.

Speaker 9 (01:00:27):
Okay, yeah, same to you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
All right, We'll see you later. Imagine what I must
be like watching this country from across the border, looking up,
going ome my only shut the fun you know, I'm
saying tough enough. Fluffy on Chad said computers have to
have experience to become sentient. They can't have experience outside
of their own programming. That's out of my pay grade.

(01:00:57):
I'm telling you, out of my pay grade. Patrick has
gifted a membership to the channel. You are much appreciated.
Godwin has sent a super chat two related sci fi
movies and shows Wild Palms and Looker relate to our
conversation today. Fluffy again says unplugged, turnoff, walk away experience reality.

(01:01:21):
Godwin says, now AI video mock marginalized race with fake actors. Oh, Godwin,
you may be talking about the racist AI videos that
have been posted by the White House account or by
Donald Trump on truth Social where they have their political opponents.

(01:01:42):
It was at Hakeem Jeffries and they put a sombrero
and there was like Mexican music, and it was just
as racist as the day is long. And this has
a course been so normalized that hardly anybody in this
country at least in Maga. They didn't even blink. Oh yeah, racism,
yay ai videos of their political opponents doing untoward things

(01:02:04):
or whatever that it's this is where we are. This
is where we are. I've got a is it a
geopolitical analyst bringing in a web call to the show today?
And how do I pronounce your name?

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
It's did so, We did so before a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
It's marketism or McCarthy, Marga edition or Trump edition. What's
happening today in the United States? It's not unprecedented because
your country has lived through that type of persecution and
prosecution against those they deemed enemies of the state, just
like what happened right after the end of the World

(01:02:45):
War two, and even before so you said something about
the color of Mexico. How how are we seeing it
from the optics of outside the United States? And to
be honest, the majority of us are and it is Oh,
they've gone back to do the same thing that we've
been doing for fast one hundred and sixty if not more.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
McCarthyism. For the few who may not be aware, Joseph
McCarthy was an anti communist zealot who blacklisted people in
the entertainment industry and in government, and they had these
big show trials calling people communists during the Red Scare
of the mid twentieth century. This was the witch hunt

(01:03:28):
of that decade, and they bring people forward, Have you
ever been part of the Communist Party? Have you ever
attended a Communist meeting? And it was very much the
same flavor what we're hearing today. Are you an anti American?
Are you a traitor to this country? Because if you are,
you're going to be deleted, canceled, punished, maybe imprisoned. That

(01:03:49):
was McCarthyism then, and I think we are definitely seeing
McCarthyism again in this country. That was your point, right,
Dizze very much.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
Yeah, I mean, no different from what has happened throughout
our history in Latin America. You're just living it in
your own way. Of course, the things we've lived in
Latin America aggregated by the interventionism of the United States.
But at the end, the United States is not different
from us. They are living through your political crisis because

(01:04:21):
of the different factors that have been degrading into your reality.
You know how bipartisan systems end up like what they
are happening today Venezuela. What has happened in Venezuela, What
happened in Garagua, what's happened in Mexico, what happened now
in the United States? That is the core of the issue,
the bipartisan model politics, the grades into what you're living today,

(01:04:46):
what is old.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Is new again? How many witch hunts has human kind
seeing throughout its history? All we can do is push
back and fight back. So you're much appreciated. I wish
you all safety and goodness wherever you are. Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Yeah, we're preparing for war for against the United States
because of the Venezuela situation. Even though I hate my
little we're preparing for invasion in the next few months.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I wish I could apologize for three hundred and eighty
million people. Okay, I apologize. Actually it's half or what's maga?
What's the percentage of MAGA right now? It's in the thirties,
So i'd whatever thirty some percent of the population. I'd
like to apologize for my friend. You're greatly appreciated. We'll

(01:05:32):
talk again. Okay, you too, Thank you, all right, We'll
see you. The no Kings protests are happening on the eighteenth,
a week from Saturday, whatever that is. Thousands of separate
protests are happening in cities all across the country and
in other countries all around the world, resisting tyrants and

(01:05:55):
saying we are not a theocracy, we are not a monarchy.
This shit ain't going fly. And I will be out
there with my placard, with my sign, with a video camera.
Last time I went out to a No King's event
a few months ago, Forrest Valci was there. We just
bumped into each other. He's doing a chicktok stream. Hey, Hey,
what's up for us? And he spins around with his camera.

(01:06:16):
Next thing I know, without realizing it, I'm on his
TikTok channel. Oh Hi, Hi, everybody. I just came to
say hi to Forest. I may if I've been to
him at the No Kings thing in Tulsa. So I'm
going to try to document that but participate. A lot
of people say it makes no difference, It's all just
a bunch of performance that doesn't result in me. I disagree.

(01:06:39):
I think our faces have to be seeing, our voices
have to be heard. I worry a little bit that
they were going to be inciters of violence. And I'm
not talking about the No Kings people. I'm talking about
people who want to come in and paint us as
those domestic terrorists we were talking about, the people who
were a danger, and they're going to engage in some
kind of product cation. They're going to catch it on video,

(01:07:02):
they're going to spin it well however they want, and
then they're going to say that the No Kings movement
is like Antifa is a danger to democracy, Christianity, and
the great Country of America. And then they're going to
start surpassing edicts and decrees and all those types of things.

(01:07:24):
And I worry people, you know. So there are actually
protocols that are being promoted by I think fifty to
fifty one in some other places to give guidelines. Here
are ways to prevent, to de escalate, to not get
sucked in, to not let someone else set a hook
and get you involved in something that you want no
part of. Here's how to deal with someone who is provocative.

(01:07:47):
Here's how to not get into a violent exchange in
any way. If the cops show up, do this, don't
do that. Here's what to say. Here's what your rights are.
It's really useful stuff. I think fifty to fifty one
and has those types of recommendations out there. You can
just Google search them. No Kings recommendations. I'm sure something
will pop up anyway. I'll be there on the eighteenth

(01:08:09):
with my people and I hope you can find your
people as well. And that's going to do it for
our time slot today. And it's been an honor to
hang out. Thank you so much for being, you know,
my bartender, listening to me wail and complain and whatnot.
And if you like the work here and if you
appreciate content creators like me, support them on Patreon, support

(01:08:34):
them on Patreon. I'm telling you it is the one
thing that is a direct connect. I mean, Patreon takes
a little day, take a percentage like PayPal and everybody
else does. But their platform is amazing and it's easy
to use and you can set your own terms. And
it's not about ads and advertisers. It's about Hey, I
like this channel, I like this content. I want to

(01:08:57):
make sure it's still here in a week. I'm going
to support it for the cast. Did I just say support.
I'm going to support it for under the cost of
a cheeseburger and fries every month or every week and
it's been a great, great option, So become a patron
Patreon dot com slash Seth Andrews, I will see you

(01:09:21):
next time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
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