September 12, 2025 • 14 mins
Well before a suspect was named and arrested, right-wingers (including President Trump) were blaming The Left and using Charlie Kirk's assassination to excuse a new Civil War against their political opponents.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I just released a short video runs about twelve minutes
regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the blaming of
America's liberals, Democrats, the left wing whatever by right wing
extremists who had no idea at the time who the
assassin was. They didn't have a suspect in place, they
(01:17):
knew nothing. But already it was those woke libs who
were responsible for the escalation, and here we go. We
might have to go to war against them, and I
wanted to speak to that. The link to the video
was in the description box, but I thought you might
want to hear the audio of it as well. Charlie
Kirk's murder has become the new rallying point for an
(01:41):
entire culture of people who apparently crave a second American
Civil War. Now, before I provide examples for you, I
want to be clear. Calls to violence and cheers of
violence are not the sole domain of any tribe, group,
political party, camp, etc. But today the right is claiming
(02:02):
that calls to violence, extremism, etc. And the shooting of
Charlie Kirk are part of a liberal disease. It's those
woke lefties who are the ones who have dehumanized It's
their violent rhetoric which caused the killing. We saw this
claim just recently with White House Deputy Chief of Staff
(02:23):
Stephen Miller, when he tweeted that our institutions are infected
with wicked ideology, threatening our children, society, civilization. Now, anyone
who understands the power of language, the nuances of language,
realizes that this is wholly crusade messaging, and it has
a purpose. It's designed to prime this country for a
(02:46):
right wing takeover of the culture. After all, anybody who
is not part of the righteous right is an enemy.
They're an enemy of religion. They're an enemy of freedom,
They're an enemy of America. Those who dare to speak dissent,
they are traitors. The Latins was saying, but bullsa on
trumpet bulls on his supporters. Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war.
(03:10):
We're in this country, we are.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
They are at war with us. Whether we want to
accept it or not. They are at war with us.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
What are we going to do about it? Now? The
assassination of Charlie Kirk must be condemned without hesitation, of course,
this morning and arrest was made as suspect is in custody,
and whoever is responsible should be prosecuted to the fullest
extent of the law. And yet, Charlie Kirk's murder does
not make him a martyr or a hero. It doesn't
(03:41):
mean Charlie Kirk was a good person. And yet, moments
after he was fatally shot in the neck at Utah
Valley University on the tenth of September, his name immediately
became deified. Charlie Kirk has been a convenient poster boy,
yet another excuse for the righteous right to declare holy
(04:03):
war upon the wicked. Anybody who discussed them maybe you
saw that press conference with South Carolina Representative Nancy Mace.
Enough is enough Now I have to deal with real
safety concerns. Sounds like a shooter was a tranny or
pro tranny.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And just because I want to protect women that I'm
worried about getting murdered, are you fucking hitting men?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna blamed everybody who sounded the
warning about fascism in this country. She said they're the problem.
She used Charlie Kirk's murder as an opportunity to rant
about her pet outrages, and she says the opponents of
fascism are the hate they claim to fight. President Donald
(04:51):
Trump wasted absolutely no time, again with no suspect found
or named. At that time, he said the radical left
wh responsible.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful
Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass
murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible
for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Interestingly, Trump ordered all American flags to be lowered to
half masked. This is something he has never done. He
certainly didn't do it after the murder of prominent Democrats,
Minnesota state Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark. When
Trump was asked if he was going to reach out
(05:40):
and speak with Tim Wallas, the governor of Minnesota, after
that terrible murder, he blew it off. He said, Ah,
it's a waste of time. It wasn't a waste of
time for Donald Trump to pardon the insurrectionists of January sixth.
(06:04):
Those perpetrators of violence were very special and they were
worthy of his love. Only the treasonists left can be
agents of chaos, injury and death and using the halls
of power. Trump is speaking and behaving an increasingly militarized
language about punishing the enemy, and his followers are certainly
(06:28):
lining up alongside him or behind him for battle. Social
media is loaded with memes like this one, an ai
depiction of an indignant and angry, red eyed Donald Trump
in front of the American flag. And if this seems suspiciously,
Adam Suttler asked, you're not crazy, You're just paying attention.
(06:50):
We have Orwellian warnings all around us, from tanks in
the streets to the American Gestapo grabbing people off the
streets to the Golden Statue and imposing banners of Dear Leader.
Guys like Matt Forney called Charlie Kirk's assassination libtard, stochastic terrorism,
and the American Reichstag Fire, referring to the fire that
(07:14):
took place in Germany's Reichstag building four weeks into Adolph
Hitler's reign as chancellor. The always reliable Elon Musk called
the Left the party of murder again. The shooter's identity
was unknown at the time, and yet he blamed it
on the murderous Left and said, if they won't leave
(07:34):
us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die.
Three guesses as to who he means by they. They
is also the term used by far right political activist
and conspiracy theorist Laura Lumer. They sent a sniper, you
could be next. The Left are terrorists. Lumer also managed
(07:57):
to sneak in some if this is true, implications about
trans terrorists. She also said Charlie Kirk's murder is a
justification to forcibly remove every Obama and Biden political appointment
from the federal government. The Wickeder infiltrating they must be
excised and crushed. The treason us must be purged. We
(08:21):
are on the cusp of civil war, and people like
this say they're geared up, ready and even eager for war. Malicious.
They're as heavily armed as they are activated by propaganda
mills like Fox News and Newsmax. The more popular right
wing bullhorns like Chaia Rachik, who is best known for
(08:42):
the libs of TikTok account, they say things like this
is war in all caps. The more these people see
themselves as the hammers, the more everybody else is a nail.
They will blame the left for everything as they escalate
and escale, late and escalate. Elon Musk's own AI refuted
(09:05):
his claim that the left is the party of murder,
revealing that there's no data confirming a partisan monopoly on
political assassinations in this country. The Anti Defamation League's Center
on Extremism lists seventy five percent of America's political murders
in the last decade to the extremist right. Yet North
(09:29):
Carolina politician Mark Robinson he's not having any of that.
He did a church sermon a few years ago talking
about the left the enemies of America and how to
deal with them.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Get mad at me if you want to.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Some folks need chilling.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's time for somebody to say it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Folks need chilling. Remember the plot to kidnap and execute
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer that was carried out by right
wing extremists who claimed that she was guilty of treason
against this country. They had planned to storm the Michigan
Capitol building. They wanted to take hostages and kill people
(10:12):
in the name of American patriotism. And don't let right
wing pearl clutchers lament all the lefty cruelty without showing
them the logs in their own eyes. Remember back when
Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul was assaulted at his home by
a far right Qan honor who fractured his skull with
(10:33):
a hammer. It was Donald Trump Junior, our own president's son,
suggesting a Halloween costume commemorating that day. And yes, it
was none other than Charlie Kirk who recommended the attacker
be released from jail. Now, nobody's saying that there are
not left wing extremists. Anybody with eyes and ears has
(10:57):
seen examples on the political legs to people who have
been dancing on Charlie Kirk's corpse. With five and a
half billion people all around the world on social media,
and given our charged and polarized political world, we are
always We're always going to see the best and worst
(11:17):
in people. I do think it's important to be on
the right side of an issue where more than one
thing can be true at the same time. Don't be
a binary thinker on this. Charlie Kirk's murder is an atrocity.
It should be condemned. But the events of September tenth
did not make Charlie Kirk a good person. This guy
(11:42):
invoked the Old Testament's command to stone gay people to death.
He called Black Lives Matter race hysteria, and he said
doctor Martin Luther King was an awful person. Charlie Kirk
said the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four was
a huge mis steak. He opposed diversity initiatives. He called
(12:04):
vaccine mandates medical apartheid. He said LGBT people were dangerous
to children. He promoted the white supremacist conspiracy theory of
the great replacement theory. He ranted about prowling blacks targeting
white people for fun. He told Taylor Swift that she's
(12:25):
a woman, so she should submit to her husband. She's
not in charge. He declared that if his ten year
old daughter was raped, he would force the child to
carry the rapist baby to term. He promoted Nurrenberg style
trials for all gender affirming doctors. He blasted liberals for
(12:47):
celebrating a nation that is less white, and he called
state church separation a fabrication of the secular humanist community.
And those are just a drop in the Charlie Kirk bucket.
This is the GOP's current martyr Saint. I don't want
political assassinations to become normalized. I don't want extremism to
(13:12):
be normalized. I certainly don't want a ministry of truth
banging bibles and crying treason when free people actually do
and say free things. And I certainly don't want a
new American Civil War. And yet, alarmingly, if what you
and I are seeing right now is any indication there
(13:35):
are many who do.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Follow The Thinking Atheist on Facebook and Twitter for a
complete archive of podcasts and videos, products like mugs and
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and conventions. Log onto our website, The Thinkingatheist dot com
Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,
an idea.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The population of atheists this country is going through.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If
I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth,
not because.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I put my hand on a book and made a wish.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And working together for a more rational world.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.
Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the
Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I just released a short video runs about twelve minutes
regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the blaming of
America's liberals, Democrats, the left wing whatever by right wing
extremists who had no idea at the time who the
assassin was. They didn't have a suspect in place, they
(01:17):
knew nothing. But already it was those woke libs who
were responsible for the escalation, and here we go. We
might have to go to war against them, and I
wanted to speak to that. The link to the video
was in the description box, but I thought you might
want to hear the audio of it as well. Charlie
Kirk's murder has become the new rallying point for an
(01:41):
entire culture of people who apparently crave a second American
Civil War. Now, before I provide examples for you, I
want to be clear. Calls to violence and cheers of
violence are not the sole domain of any tribe, group,
political party, camp, etc. But today the right is claiming
(02:02):
that calls to violence, extremism, etc. And the shooting of
Charlie Kirk are part of a liberal disease. It's those
woke lefties who are the ones who have dehumanized It's
their violent rhetoric which caused the killing. We saw this
claim just recently with White House Deputy Chief of Staff
(02:23):
Stephen Miller, when he tweeted that our institutions are infected
with wicked ideology, threatening our children, society, civilization. Now, anyone
who understands the power of language, the nuances of language,
realizes that this is wholly crusade messaging, and it has
a purpose. It's designed to prime this country for a
(02:46):
right wing takeover of the culture. After all, anybody who
is not part of the righteous right is an enemy.
They're an enemy of religion. They're an enemy of freedom,
They're an enemy of America. Those who dare to speak dissent,
they are traitors. The Latins was saying, but bullsa on
trumpet bulls on his supporters. Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war.
(03:10):
We're in this country, we are.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
They are at war with us. Whether we want to
accept it or not. They are at war with us.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
What are we going to do about it? Now? The
assassination of Charlie Kirk must be condemned without hesitation, of course,
this morning and arrest was made as suspect is in custody,
and whoever is responsible should be prosecuted to the fullest
extent of the law. And yet, Charlie Kirk's murder does
not make him a martyr or a hero. It doesn't
(03:41):
mean Charlie Kirk was a good person. And yet, moments
after he was fatally shot in the neck at Utah
Valley University on the tenth of September, his name immediately
became deified. Charlie Kirk has been a convenient poster boy,
yet another excuse for the righteous right to declare holy
(04:03):
war upon the wicked. Anybody who discussed them maybe you
saw that press conference with South Carolina Representative Nancy Mace.
Enough is enough Now I have to deal with real
safety concerns. Sounds like a shooter was a tranny or
pro tranny.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And just because I want to protect women that I'm
worried about getting murdered, are you fucking hitting men?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna blamed everybody who sounded the
warning about fascism in this country. She said they're the problem.
She used Charlie Kirk's murder as an opportunity to rant
about her pet outrages, and she says the opponents of
fascism are the hate they claim to fight. President Donald
(04:51):
Trump wasted absolutely no time, again with no suspect found
or named. At that time, he said the radical left
wh responsible.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful
Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass
murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible
for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Interestingly, Trump ordered all American flags to be lowered to
half masked. This is something he has never done. He
certainly didn't do it after the murder of prominent Democrats,
Minnesota state Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark. When
Trump was asked if he was going to reach out
(05:40):
and speak with Tim Wallas, the governor of Minnesota, after
that terrible murder, he blew it off. He said, Ah,
it's a waste of time. It wasn't a waste of
time for Donald Trump to pardon the insurrectionists of January sixth.
(06:04):
Those perpetrators of violence were very special and they were
worthy of his love. Only the treasonists left can be
agents of chaos, injury and death and using the halls
of power. Trump is speaking and behaving an increasingly militarized
language about punishing the enemy, and his followers are certainly
(06:28):
lining up alongside him or behind him for battle. Social
media is loaded with memes like this one, an ai
depiction of an indignant and angry, red eyed Donald Trump
in front of the American flag. And if this seems suspiciously,
Adam Suttler asked, you're not crazy, You're just paying attention.
(06:50):
We have Orwellian warnings all around us, from tanks in
the streets to the American Gestapo grabbing people off the
streets to the Golden Statue and imposing banners of Dear Leader.
Guys like Matt Forney called Charlie Kirk's assassination libtard, stochastic terrorism,
and the American Reichstag Fire, referring to the fire that
(07:14):
took place in Germany's Reichstag building four weeks into Adolph
Hitler's reign as chancellor. The always reliable Elon Musk called
the Left the party of murder again. The shooter's identity
was unknown at the time, and yet he blamed it
on the murderous Left and said, if they won't leave
(07:34):
us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die.
Three guesses as to who he means by they. They
is also the term used by far right political activist
and conspiracy theorist Laura Lumer. They sent a sniper, you
could be next. The Left are terrorists. Lumer also managed
(07:57):
to sneak in some if this is true, implications about
trans terrorists. She also said Charlie Kirk's murder is a
justification to forcibly remove every Obama and Biden political appointment
from the federal government. The Wickeder infiltrating they must be
excised and crushed. The treason us must be purged. We
(08:21):
are on the cusp of civil war, and people like
this say they're geared up, ready and even eager for war. Malicious.
They're as heavily armed as they are activated by propaganda
mills like Fox News and Newsmax. The more popular right
wing bullhorns like Chaia Rachik, who is best known for
(08:42):
the libs of TikTok account, they say things like this
is war in all caps. The more these people see
themselves as the hammers, the more everybody else is a nail.
They will blame the left for everything as they escalate
and escale, late and escalate. Elon Musk's own AI refuted
(09:05):
his claim that the left is the party of murder,
revealing that there's no data confirming a partisan monopoly on
political assassinations in this country. The Anti Defamation League's Center
on Extremism lists seventy five percent of America's political murders
in the last decade to the extremist right. Yet North
(09:29):
Carolina politician Mark Robinson he's not having any of that.
He did a church sermon a few years ago talking
about the left the enemies of America and how to
deal with them.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Get mad at me if you want to.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Some folks need chilling.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's time for somebody to say it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Folks need chilling. Remember the plot to kidnap and execute
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer that was carried out by right
wing extremists who claimed that she was guilty of treason
against this country. They had planned to storm the Michigan
Capitol building. They wanted to take hostages and kill people
(10:12):
in the name of American patriotism. And don't let right
wing pearl clutchers lament all the lefty cruelty without showing
them the logs in their own eyes. Remember back when
Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul was assaulted at his home by
a far right Qan honor who fractured his skull with
(10:33):
a hammer. It was Donald Trump Junior, our own president's son,
suggesting a Halloween costume commemorating that day. And yes, it
was none other than Charlie Kirk who recommended the attacker
be released from jail. Now, nobody's saying that there are
not left wing extremists. Anybody with eyes and ears has
(10:57):
seen examples on the political legs to people who have
been dancing on Charlie Kirk's corpse. With five and a
half billion people all around the world on social media,
and given our charged and polarized political world, we are
always We're always going to see the best and worst
(11:17):
in people. I do think it's important to be on
the right side of an issue where more than one
thing can be true at the same time. Don't be
a binary thinker on this. Charlie Kirk's murder is an atrocity.
It should be condemned. But the events of September tenth
did not make Charlie Kirk a good person. This guy
(11:42):
invoked the Old Testament's command to stone gay people to death.
He called Black Lives Matter race hysteria, and he said
doctor Martin Luther King was an awful person. Charlie Kirk
said the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four was
a huge mis steak. He opposed diversity initiatives. He called
(12:04):
vaccine mandates medical apartheid. He said LGBT people were dangerous
to children. He promoted the white supremacist conspiracy theory of
the great replacement theory. He ranted about prowling blacks targeting
white people for fun. He told Taylor Swift that she's
(12:25):
a woman, so she should submit to her husband. She's
not in charge. He declared that if his ten year
old daughter was raped, he would force the child to
carry the rapist baby to term. He promoted Nurrenberg style
trials for all gender affirming doctors. He blasted liberals for
(12:47):
celebrating a nation that is less white, and he called
state church separation a fabrication of the secular humanist community.
And those are just a drop in the Charlie Kirk bucket.
This is the GOP's current martyr Saint. I don't want
political assassinations to become normalized. I don't want extremism to
(13:12):
be normalized. I certainly don't want a ministry of truth
banging bibles and crying treason when free people actually do
and say free things. And I certainly don't want a
new American Civil War. And yet, alarmingly, if what you
and I are seeing right now is any indication there
(13:35):
are many who do.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Follow The Thinking Atheist on Facebook and Twitter for a
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pages and resources, and details on upcoming free thought events
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