July 29, 2025 • 61 mins
He's a convicted sex offender, but Donald Trump's assault on women shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. We discuss and take your calls on a variety of subjects.
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So I'm in the middle of the new book that
just released by e Genie Carol. She was an advice
columnist for Elle magazine for like twenty five years and
a journalist and she's written several books and now at
the age of eighty one, she's still kicking. I subscribed
to her substack column and she is hysterical. She's just
(01:19):
freaking hysterical. I love the way she writes. But she
has been in the news mostly over the past I
don't know, six seven years, because back in the nineteen nineties,
when she was like fifty one, Donald Trump sexually assaulted
her in the dressing room of a department store. At
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the time, she didn't say anything publicly. She filed no charges.
This wasn't anything, of course, that would ever go to court.
It was just under the rug. And when I got
to the point of the book where recently in twenty
twenty three, she was on the witness stand talking or
being grilled by Trump attorney Joe Tack, I was livid.
(02:02):
I mean, the vein's coming out of my forehead and
I'm thinking, Jesus, no wonder. So many women don't come
forward to talk about being sexually assaulted because Takapina was
doing everything in his power to just destroy the woman.
Destroy that. He didn't succeed. He destroyed himself. But here's
the timeline. Okay, so this happened back in the nineties,
(02:25):
the sexual assault. In June of twenty nineteen, Egene Carroll
publishes her memoir called what do We Need Men? For
a modest Proposal? Now, this is this is going to
tongue in cheek. Egene Carroll has had men in her life,
her entire life. She is a fan of men, despite
what happened to her. She's very fair about this. But
(02:45):
in June of twenty nineteen. She writes Donald Trump raped
me in a department store dressing room in the mid
nineteen nineties. Donald Trump then denies the accusations, and he says,
number one, she's not my type. Number two, it never happened. Well.
This has become the title of Egen Carroll's new book
(03:07):
called Not My Type, and it tells you how Donald
Trump thinks about women and being accused of rape. He
doesn't say, I'm not that kind of person. I honor
and respect women. How dare you malign my character in
this way? I deserve better as a noble member of
the male gender. Blah blah blah. No, no, he says, Eh,
(03:27):
she's not my tie.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
She's not my type.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Why would I grab her and do this and that
with my penis? And why would I she ain't she
ain't my type? That was Donald Trump. Egen Carrol says, fine,
I will see you in court in several lawsuits. I
think two major lawsuits were filed for defamation. January sixth,
twenty twenty four, a second jury, because he had lost
(03:52):
the first case, it went to appeal. A second jury
ordered Donald Trump that he must pay eighty three point
three million dollars to Egen Carrol Ford, defaming her when
she initially came forward with her story. And of course,
as he does so expertly, he rendered his garments and
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cried victim and said, oh, this is not the America
that was once so great. It's on the record. Donald
Trump sexually assaulted Egene Carol and then defamed her. This
is a matter now of a legal court ruling. So
I'm listening to this story. And then I stumbled upon
(04:34):
an article much too long to read here, but it
is a legal recommendation as published at the City College
of New York and the Michigan Journal of Gender and
Law by a law professor named Ruth Ann Robson. And
she had written five years ago that it might have
(04:54):
great utility to put together a special report chronicling the
decades long sexual predation of Donald Trump. Now, obviously with
the Congress we have now we know that's a punchline.
I mean, these are the same invertebrates, cons and co
predators that refuse to take a vote on releasing the
Epstein files. And right now Donald Trump is probably you know,
(05:17):
they're going back, probably redacting his name and maybe even
falsely adding the names of all the people he wants
to take revenge on, and then they're going to release
it as fiction. You know what I'm saying. It's just
like relying on the Congress to hold a special committee
like the Warren Report or the nine to eleven report
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or the Muller Report. Now, they would never do this
for Trump's long history of sexual predation, but Professor Robson
does make a salient point that it would be useful.
Let's go through the claims. Let's make it a matter
of not just public but governmental record. After all, this
guy is the president of the United States. So then
(06:01):
I was even more curious about these specific allegations by
so many women. The estimate ranges, I think from the
twenties into over seventy people. Some were reporting anonymously. There
was a long list of some specific cases that I
was going through, right. Jessica Leeds in twenty sixteen told
(06:24):
The New York Times that back in the seventies, Donald Trump,
who she did not know, reached his hand up her
skirt and he grabbed her breasts on a flight to
New York. So there was a first class seat next
to him, and she was sitting in the back but
he thought, wow, she's hot, so he brought her up,
(06:45):
sat her down next to him, and of course she's
kind of intoxicated by the idea of flying first class.
And it's Donald Trump, who was a known quantity, and
before she knew it, she said, quote, he was like
an octopus and his hands were everywhere. He literally started
groping her in first class. She got up and fled
to the back of the plane. This was in the seventies.
(07:07):
Ivonna Trump, his first wife, accused him in a divorce
deposition that he raped her in a fit of rage
back in nineteen eighty nine when they were married. And
by the way, yes you can rape somebody when you're married.
There was a preacher, I think, who made an assertion
that once you signed the document in your husband and wife,
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then there's no such thing as rape. You gotta be
shitting me. Kristen Anderson, a photographer and a former model,
she said, back in the nineties, Donald Trump sat next
to her at a nightclub and he just reached under
her skirt. Totally freaked her out. She was out of there.
Two weeks before the twenty twenty four presidential election, there
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was an interview in the Guardian with a woman named
Stacy Williams. She said, I met Donald Trump back in
nineteen ninety two through none other than Jeffrey Ebstein. Jeffrey Epstein,
the ceial sex trafficker with the pedophile Island and flying
(08:13):
people there, you know, the rich, fat cat rapist people
on the Lolita Express. And it was Jeffrey Epstein who
suggested that the two of them go visit Epstein's buddy,
Donald Trump at Trump Tower in New York this nineteen
ninety three, and shortly after she got there, Donald Trump
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groped her breasts and grabbed her butts. The Trump campaign
said this is false. Jill Hearth, a woman who worked
with Donald Trump in the nineteen nineties, said he tried
to rape her nineteen ninety three. She said Trump tried
to kiss her in his own daughter's bedroom at Mara Lago.
He pushed her against a wall, he put his hand
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up her dress. She filed a lawsuit and then draw
upped the suit a few weeks later as part of
a settlement with Trump. In regard to a different court case,
a businesswoman named Lisa Boyne said that in nineteen ninety six,
at a dinner with Donald Trump. Several women were forced
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to walk across a table while Donald Trump looked up
their skirts and commented on their underwear and bodies. She
said it was the most offensive scene I've ever been
a part of. I mean, there were far too many
for me to read for you here, but they're just terrifying.
Just a quick summation of a few of the others.
(09:44):
Natasha Stoynoff a former reporter for People magazine. In full disclosure,
she's a friend of mine. She was at mar A
Lago in two thousand and five doing a story about
Trump's first year of marriage with Maulania, so she's there
on the job. Malania goes upstairs. Trump says, hey, come
in this other room. I want to show you something.
(10:05):
Then Trump closes the door, pushes Natasha against the wall,
and forces his tongue down her throat. She has, of course,
since come forward and bravely talked about the assault and
been blowing the whistle on this sexual predator ever since
they got Rachel Crooks. Former Trump Tower receptionist, said that
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back in two thousand and five, Trump just grabbed her
and kissed her on the mouth. You've got the pageant thing.
Former Miss Finland said that Trump grabbed her by the
butt when they were backstage at the Late Show with
David Letterman. Samantha Halvey, a former Miss USA contestant, said
that Trump would just walk through and size everybody up.
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Bridget Sullivan, former Miss USA contestants, said it was common
for Trump just to walk backstage while people the contestants
were naked or get dressed. He just felt entitled because
he owned Miss USA. By the way, he also owned
Miss Teen USA. According to contestants, he would go back
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into the dressing rooms with contestants as young as fifteen,
assuring them, don't worry, ladies, I've seen it all before
he got Summer Zervos, she was a former contestant on
The Apprentice. She said, back in two thousand and seven,
he just grabbed her, grabbed her shoulder, kissed her aggressively,
put his hand on her breast, thrust himself on her
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before she was able to tear herself away and get
out of the room, one after the other after the other,
which brings me back to Epstein. In the Epstein documents,
I don't care who's on the list. I mean, I care,
but you know what I mean when I say, if
it's Trump, if it's I mean, any name, any President Obama, Bush, Clinton, whoever,
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all right, whoever's on the list. If it's another celebrity,
if it's Harvey Weinstein, if it's Prince Andrew, if it's
a common, everyday citizen that nobody knows but happens to
be a fat cat. That Ebstein sort of rubbed elbows with.
Whoever was on the manifest whoever was in the room,
whoever's on surveillance footage, whoever's been photoed, whoever was there,
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whoever raped children? I want to know who they are,
and I want them prosecuted. Immediately expose and prosecute them.
How could this possibly be a controversial position? And then
I got to sit back and watch Mike Johnson, who
has been this bloviating, chest thumping, Bible banging Puritan conservative
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Christian who supposedly is the moral high ground guy. Right,
he stands on the tall mountain giving the rest of
his his moral wisdom. He just decides, not only are
we gonna not convene till September so we don't have
to address the Epstein documents, but Donald Trump is enjoying
a ninety percent approval rating. I mean, the guy has
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no If there is a soul, he has no soul.
These people are ghules, they're guls, they are predator and nablests.
They are co rapists as far as I'm concerned. And
then we've got the words of Donald Trump himself. I
mentioned was it last show about Donald Trump? When he
was on the escalator that time years ago. There's like
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a ten year old girl. He doesn't just say hey,
nice to see you have a good day. Right, maybe
he is a recognized quantity even with children. Oh look
it's Donald Trump. Does he say hi, I have a
good day. No, this is what comes out of his
mouth as soon as he sees the ten year old girl,
You're going up the escaladder. I'm going to be dating her.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
In ten years.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Gonna go in.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Regarding the court case for Carol, Donald Trump gave his
deposition on camera. He was asked about the Access Hollywood
tape grab him by the pussy. You know when he said, ah,
come on, it's just locker room talk. He didn't say
I'm so sorry I said it. It was a horrible
thing and a horrible attitude. And I should have been better.
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And I'm going to commit the rest of my life
to to being the man that I always should have been.
I beg forgiveness to all women for acting and speaking
and being so no, no, nan. He is asked during
the deposition about that statement. And here's what he said.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
True stars, that they can grab women by the well,
that's what that's If you look over the last million years,
I guess that's been largely too, not always, but largely true.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Unfortunately or fortunately.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
As John Stewart so eloquently pointed out on The Daily
Show a few days ago, Trump won't even take a
position non whether or not pussy grabbing is a appropriate
or inappropriate. This man is the president of the United
States of America, and I have to watch maga minions,
(15:13):
enablers allow it and even celebrate it. There's an actual
organization called Women for Trump. It's the equivalent of chickens
for Tyson Foods. And then, before I get to your calls,
(15:41):
Donald Trump, speaking about his own daughter, said that if
Evanca weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her. It's
so weird.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Far from protecting his daughter from being talked about as
a sex object, he has encouraged it multiple times. On
Howard Stern's radio show in two thousand and four and
then again in two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
By the way, you and daughter, she's beautiful. Can I
say this is a piece of ass? She looks more
voluptuous than ever and actually always been very voluptuous.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
She's almost six feet tall.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
In May, Ivanka described herself as a feminist while defending
her father on CBS after escathing New York Times article
about his alleged negative treatment of women.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Is there unending commentary on the female form?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
No, I've known my father obviously my whole life, and
he has total respect for women.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Please welcome the lovely Ivanka Trump.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Still, even if Vodka, seemed confused when talk show host
Wendy Williams asked about things the two have in common.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What's the favorite thing you have in common with your father,
either real estate or golf? Donald with your daughter? Well,
I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Donald Trump repeatedly points out how hot his daughter is,
saying last year in a Rolling Stone article, Yeah, she's
really something and what a beauty that one. If I
weren't happily married, and you know her father.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
My daughter, Yeah, she's six feet tall. She's got the
best body here. She's hot. That's a report that was
done several years ago by CNN. There's no bottom, there's
just no floor. Every time I think there's a threshold,
there's a limit. Now there's no limit. There's no there's
no limit to these people. It's just ghoules. And now
(17:38):
you and I are trapped here. There's tens of millions
of freaking voters have allowed this guy, this predator, this
con this this man who is disintegrating cognitively before our
very eyes, grab America by the pussy. I need a break,
(17:59):
I need a sec I need have moments to take
a breath and refresh my coffee back in just second.
Thank you for listening and supporting me. Thank you just
for being here. We're all in this together, and you
were much appreciated for zero two. I don't see your name. Hi, welcome.
(18:25):
What do I call you?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
My friends call me Maggie or Maggie.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
So I've been.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Thinking a lot about so their children. I've never had children,
their children in my life, though I've raised several nieces
and nephews and my blood family. The people who raised
me are very, very religious, some of them more than others,
you know, And I was raised to be Christian and
all that, I never really believed, like when I was
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a kid. You know, when you're told the believe stuff
and you're a kid, you do. But I found my
own path eventually away from all that and everything. But
I'm living around those people again, my blood relatives, and
there are kids. Some of my siblings or cousins or
whatever have children, and I don't know, like subjects come
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up sometimes. For instance, they love dinosaurs. I love dinosaurs.
I've always loved dinosaurs. And they ask questions and stuff,
and I don't lie to children, and yet their parents
would not be happy with me if I were to
tell them the truth of say, birds they're dinosaurs because evolution,
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and yet I have already done that and they are like, okay, yeah,
that makes sense, you know. I tell them, you know,
why we know this and everything. I try not to
speak down the children, but I also try to summarize
things because they're not going to grasp a lot of it.
And I don't know, I'm just feeling really anxious about
how much should I push and tell them these things
(20:01):
when they ask these questions or when we're talking about
anything related, and like, am I an asshole if I
tell them these things that their parents do not want
them to be hearing. So I just wanted your opinion
on that kids are tough.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
There's a boundary involved where yeah, a parent does have
stewardship over the child, and there is no great solution.
You and I are like, let's teach the kids how
to think, not what to think. But if a parent
has the right to raise that child, I always praise
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it this way, like, doesn't a child have the right
to not be brainwashed? You know? And I think, but
I was six years old. I wish, you know, someone
had said, doesn't this child have the right to not
be raised with magical thinking and wrong ideas? And it's
so freaking messy. I don't know how to approach the
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parenting of another's child. I don't think the answer is
to step into that boundary, into the threshold of their
lives and begin telling kids what to think. I do
think it's healthy for the kids to see you living
with a different perspective, living with maybe even different values.
You're in their zip code, you're in their eyeline, and
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they're like, wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I feel like it's my responsibility. Like you said, teach
some how to think and not what to think. I
guess is the only real thing I can do.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Dude, I've got a shit ton of Well, they're grown now,
but when they were younger, nephews and nieces, and I
see them and they're going to church every Sunday. And
they believe that Adam and Eve lived in the garden
and Noah built the Ark, and they believe Jesus was
the magical baby born in the manger, and all of
these other things, and the Bible had informed how they
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felt in the world about other things. Their parents had
taught them that being gay was the perversion of God's
perfect plan and that gay people were pervs and blah
blah blah. And they taught them not to trust scientists
because scientists are putting their faith in the natural. We
put our faith in the supernatural. So they were hamstringing them.
And I found myself vibrating in my chair, thinking, how
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do we how do? What can I do? I feel
helpless watching this child be brainwashed the way I was brainwashed,
And I'm handcuffed because that is not my zone. I
do not have the legal right at the very least
to go in and try to parent somebody else's child.
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The best I knew how to do was to be
Uncle Seth, who doesn't believe in God, who doesn't think
it's real, in the hopes that when the time came,
they would say, hey, wait a minute, I'm wondering how
you got there, And this has happened. There have been
a few people in my family who when they became adults,
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and a few of them are under the radar. I'm
not betraying them, because my family's huge and no one's
going to be able to pigeonhole them. But at this
point they're still under the radar. They know it's crap,
and they have silently reached out to me and said, okay,
I get it. I'm on I understand, but you know,
they don't want to upset mom, dad, grandma, whoever, and
(23:22):
so they play it really cool. But just be you
at the volume you choose in their vicinity if you can. Awesome,
all right, Thanks for Colin, appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Thanks til.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I've got Al calling out of Chicago seven seven three High. Al, welcome,
good to speak with you. Let's talk what's on your mind.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
I just wanted to talk about the kind of shotenfreude
that I've seen in some of my clients. They don't
say it directly, but when you're a mental health professional,
you start to see the signs when they bring up
certain politicians or personalities. It's a little scary to me
because it seems to be like an equal opportunity problem. Certainly,
(24:10):
it's not as much of the I want to see
the other side suffer on the liberal side as there
are seemingly on the mega side. But I do get
some of that regardless of who I talk to, regardless
of which group. Like for every ten nice empathetic comments
about the flooding victims, there's like one that I'll see
(24:30):
online where it's like, oh, you know, they got it
coming and all this, but of course you see the
stuff from their side where you get your body my
choice saying you get the owning the Libs because of
the alligator Alcatraz stuff. Oh I hope they get I
hope those people get eaten. And like, I don't know
if this was around when I was a kid, Like
(24:53):
there was vitriol, there was certainly distrust, but I I
wonder if you have seen in the past the amount
of dehumanizing of the other when it comes.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
To Americans, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Is this something I'm just seeing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Broadcast in that way at this volume from the highest levels,
the kind of open, unabashed, celebrated cruelty that we are
seeing now. I mean, people are cheering the unmarked vans
and the masked Ice agents, the secret police, the American
Gestapo that are just stripping families apart and their's screams
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and tears, and people who will never see their family
members again before they go off into a torture camp somewhere.
And people that were supposed to be all about the
love of Jesus, a shit ton of them, or they're
high five in each other because this is hashtag America.
I feel what you're feeling. It's a celebration of the
herd of other people. It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Yeah, it does feel as if it's I think it's
the unabashed. It's you're right to say that. The difference
is like, it's not the kind of enjoyment of others
suffering that you would want public. It's like, let's veil it,
let's hide it underneath some tradition. Let's find a way
to not let them know that we're dehumanizing them, but
(26:17):
it's just the way it is, you know, that's just
how it goes. But now it's like, no, I'm not
even anonymously, I'm going to be openly and happily with
my face on the screen say these people are not human.
And I can't say that that's the technological thing, but
maybe it is. I can't say that it's a sociological thing.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Maybe it is.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
But it does get me worried because it's like anybody
can become that. Well, not every human being, but like
if any person that's in front of you, you can't
really tell whether or not they can be radicalized in
that way. There's no pill for it, there's no diagnosis
for it. And I think that's what kind of scares
the folks that are just trying to make things.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Don't you feel that those who are terrified of the different,
or who have been programmed into bigotry the Bible is
a great excuse for them to express what they're really thinking.
You know, it's one of those It's like the independent
Fundamental Baptist Church hate preachers like Stephen Anderson when they
get behind their podiums and say, you know, the government
(27:21):
should round up and execute gay people. Well, it's not
my idea, it's you know, God said it. I'm just
following God's lead trust, not in my own understanding. It's
you know, it's it's their problem. They're the aberrant ones.
And I just think, what a freaking cop out, because
you know, in his mind, he's his heart is just poison.
It's just full of poison, right shottenfreude. By the way,
(27:43):
For those who don't know what the term means, it
means that you experience pleasure in the misfortune of others. Now,
I will say I have been guilty when I see
bad people take it in the teeth, when I see
shit go down and action reaction causes bad agents to
have bad things happen. Okay, Yeah, I feel it. I
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feel that rush of endorphin and and joy, and then
I raise a glass and say I'm glad. I'm glad
that you know somebody who was doing terrible things has
had something terrible happen to them. I don't know if
that's even the moral position, man, I mean, do you
ever feel that way?
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Sure, it's more on principle. For me, it's like, Okay,
this is somebody who is actively reveling in the harm
of somebody else. And if I see them getting to
come up and it's like, ah, okay, see what goes
around comes around is kind of a rhyme to it.
It feels good even then though I'm not just happy
that they suffered. It's the fact that they got the
(28:43):
suffering due to the stuffering that they caused. Yeah, it's
not just by nature of them being just inherently evil
or inherently wrong, or it's behavior that leads to behavior
that I can understand, but it's far more global globalizing.
I notice. It's like, I don't even care if they
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voted for Trump or voted for Harris for decent reasons.
You're just part of the evil club. You're just as
bad as the Pizzagate people. You're as bad as the
peeky torch Nazis. We just kind of it's not everybody,
but like there's a certain I can't quite put a
finger on it, but it just feels like a reveling
in something that's a little bit more than the principle
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of the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, I understand. Yes, there's a pettiness to it and
a cruelty that I have never seen. I was talking
to my MAGA associate two days ago about the cruelty.
You would have thought I had, I had grown a
second head that had no. I'd like, no, No, he's
not cruel just I just think, well, how can you
(29:48):
not see?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
We ask ourselves, do we see Trump experiencing anything that
could be called a healthy manifestation of joy? I say
what you want about Biden or Harris or Obama or
Clinton or Bush or anybody else, right, we could see
the humanity when they would crack a joke and they'd
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play with a dog, and they would high five with
people and hang out in a way that was generous.
And with Donald Trump, the only time I see him
happy is when he's masturbating about how great he is,
or when he's being cruel to somebody else. They're stupid,
they're weak, blah blah blah. He's making a joke at
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their expense, diminishing them. Cruelty is his currency, man, it's
his oxygen. Do I want to see something horrible happen
to the guy? I'd be lying if I said I didn't.
I'm going to have a champagne glass maid that says
he's dead and I'm going to stick it on my shelf,
and the day I read that obituary, my ass is
having a toast. I'm just literally going to raise a
(30:54):
glass and say this chapter is done. Is that shodenfreude?
I don't know, but I'm going to do it now.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Don't do it so I think I'll do that too.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I can't plank you for that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Hey, let's be kind in a cruel world. Some people
think kindness is weakness, and I don't. I think kindness
is strength. Anybody can tear down, it takes I think,
a lot more effort, and it takes a lot more
heart and hard work to construct and build and grow
and support and make. Anybody can crash things down, but
to rebuild or to build in general, that takes maturity
(31:31):
and depth of character and commitment, and I think that
should be us. And I'm sure you're one of those
guys out. So thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
I appreciate to talk.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
All right, see you Lean, Cruelty's always been there, But
he's right, it's a spectator sport. That'd be a way
to say it. Tonight, it's seven on all the major networks.
It's cruel time, and we'll take this group over here,
and we'll be cruel to them for its own sake.
(32:01):
I was watching some Classic Trek, the original series Star Trek.
I bought the remastered series where they went through and
they updated the special effects, but they didn't update them
too much. So when they show the Enterprise orbiting the
planet and flying through space and they show the alien,
I don't know whatever, the entities off in the cosmos.
(32:24):
They still look kitchy and charming in that nineteen sixties way,
but they're updated to make them more palatable. They got
the balance just about perfect, but the rest, all the
interior stuff is the same. And I just watched the
episode the name escapes me. The purists will already know
about when Kirk and Spock and McCoy land on a
(32:46):
planet that had emulated the Roman colisseums and they had
taken the other the rebels, the slaves, etc. They captured
people and they would throw them in an arena with
weapons and make them fight gladiators. But it was televised,
and they had these big TV cameras, and they had music,
(33:08):
and they had applause lines, you know, and knobs that
turned up the booze and the hisses and they did
it for ratings and it was you know, it just
straight up cruel voyeurism. That's what's going on today. Hell
we got the cameras. It's all cruelty theater and it
hurts the heart. Dustin at seven to seven, welcome, thanks
(33:33):
for waiting. Are you there?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Such?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
How are you man?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I'm excellent? What's on your mind? There was a.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
TNG episode similar to that, wasn't there where somebody fought
to the death. It was what's her name? The blonde girl?
Remember Tasha?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You are the blonde Yeah, I mean the head of
security on the United States. The US is in a
pro Okay, all right, well I don't I don't remember
the episode. When I think of y'all, first of all,
I think of sex with data, and I think that
she was killed by black ooze. That's the only thing
that I can really think about, So so what else?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's how she was killed?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
But uh oh, yeah, she died by oohs. She died
by oohs. And it's a wacky episode. So all right,
go ahead, what else is happening?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I'm not sure how I found you or how I
missed you all these I mean, you've been doing this
a long time, so I missed the algorithms. I've discovered
four horsemen and all these other great Neil Degrass Tyson
and then just recently though, wow, who's this guy. Yeah,
you've got a way of just articulating stuff that I
really have wanted to say.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
So go along.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, there are horsemen, and I'm the guy that's on
the little merry go round in front of the department
store that you put the quarters into. So it's a
very small ceramic horse, but it does it occasionally does
move in a productive direction. But yeah, thanks for the
kind words. Actually yeah, oh okay, porcelain.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, I like that better. But you know, I went
to an ACE school, so I know exactly what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Oh, explain ACE or or I can either one of us.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, it's a mine. Was called Trinity Baptist Academy, and
they used the ACE program, which is a learn at
your own pace and they had us in cubicles, whole
thing with the flags. If you had a question, you
put up the flag.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
The Accelerated Christian Education was was a nightmare because they
the questions in those workbooks would be things like why
did God make the trees? Green right did every question
was a leading question where God or Jesus or the
Bible was the right answer. It's intense and doctrination. And
(35:56):
the people who quote unquote graduate and my ACE program,
the instructors, they didn't call them teachers. They called them monitors.
They couldn't call them teachers because there was no accreditation.
And our monitor didn't even have a college degree. So
she was teaching children, but she didn't have any education
(36:16):
with which to teach them, which is really common in
ACE programs. The IBLP culture does the same thing, the
Institute for Basic Life Principles and Gothard's School curriculums, etc.
How'd you finally escape that nightmare?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Well, my parents were fundamental as Christians, and I think
they just thought that the Baptist Academy was going to
be a much better place than public school. But I
was onto this and I remembered a story about a
woman named Johnny Ericson or Joni Ericson. This is a
woman who became paralyzed from the neck down, and her view,
(36:58):
I think was that Jesus did this to her so
that she could witness to people in a special way.
Her story is pretty remarkable she still she did art,
and she still managed somehow to do art with her teeth.
She painted with her teeth. But anyway, I came home
and told them, I says, guess what they're teaching me there?
I said, Oh, what they're teaching me that you know
(37:18):
that God actually does this to people who puts you
in this position. And they they just you know, flat
out like what wow. So they took me out of
the of the a school and put me right back
into the public school.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
They yanked me out of Johnny Erickson. There was actually
a movie about her life that she herself starred in.
She I think it was a diving accident and she
snapped her neck and became a quadriplegian. But she was
able to with her mouth. She put a pencil in
her mouth and using only her mouth would do pencil art.
(37:55):
That was stunning. I remarkable talent, remarkable talent. And it
was against that backdrop that all of this was frame
and our weakness. He is strong. God is showing how
great he is. Even though the physical flesh is sometimes
encounters calamity in this fallen world, God is able to
(38:16):
bring beauty out of pain. It was a total game
of twister, but that was the kind of stuff we heard.
It sounds like you and I heard the same story.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, and I knew this didn't sit well with my parents,
so I used that, not her story, but something like
that that, you know, they teach that God does this,
you know, or allows these calamities to happen to people
so that they can be some special witness.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Another argument to the Norman Geisler argument is that God
has to have evil in the world or calamity in
the world as a contrast to his great goodness, meaning
we wouldn't understand what God's goodness is if we didn't
have the flip side of the coin. Awfulness and pain
and accidents and murder and you know, quadr pelegic diving circumstances.
(39:02):
All of that stuff has to happen, you know, so
that if we see God's goodness, we would actually have
a point of reference and know what good looks like.
It is just insane what Geisler and his ilk Gip
talked about. Anyway, It sounds like you and I walked
a bunch of the same steps, Dustin. I'm glad you
found the channel, you know. I hope you enjoy the
rest of the content as you browse around.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, and seeing my parents now that they've adopted more
kids and they're indoctrinating them, it's just really hard to see.
I feel so bad for them because they've they've started
with them from the beginning. They didn't do that with
me until I was eleven or twelve. Prior to that,
they were drinking and smoking pot and playing in bars.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Do they know you're not? Did they know?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
My mom will flat out say to me, right to
my face, so you will bow your knee to God
one day and I remember what you said. It's like
like them saying, just you wait to your day.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think what was said to me was the atheist
will be ashes under the feet of the believer. It's
almost a direct quote, which is a threat, and it
shows you just and they think they're saying it in
love because this is how you rescue someone. It's almost
a scared straight model one day, right, one day. I'm
(40:22):
sorry this has happened with your family. You doing okay
despite the challenges.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, I have so much support with you, your channel
and all the other great resources out there. It's tremendous great,
So thank you so much for what you do.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
All right, my friend, you and I we busted out.
We left ACE in the rear view mirror where it belongs,
and now we can help blow the whistle for other people.
Appreciate you very much, man, am right. Thanks that see
you later. I did a whole show on ACE with
Jenna Scaramanga. Doctor Jenna Scaramanga is an expert I believe
(41:02):
did her doctoral thesis on ACE and these types of cults.
It's been years, but it is in the archive and
we go through many of the actual lesson plans in
those workbooks. It is a wonder these kids don't just
walk out of the building a graduation day when they're
(41:23):
a senior and just zombie themselves out into the middle
of a highway and get struck by a truck because
they don't know to look both ways. It is not educating.
It is horrifyingly simplistic and wrong headed, and it's superstition,
and it's horrible about women. It has a lesson in
there where it shows this young girl and she's probably
(41:45):
supposed to be ten or eleven. She's looking in a
mirror and she's trying on different outfits and she shows
a little bit of kneecap in one of the illustrations,
and she's like, oh, oh, God would not want me
to show my kneecaps, And so she goes back to
the closet and she changes into something much more proper
(42:07):
so that she will not lead them Acee boys into
lust and carnality. She's fucking eleven. That's a handmade TiAl
shit going on. Just say it still to come. We're
going to talk a little more about creepy Dawn. South
(42:30):
Park is in the news, and we'll take more of
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It's a great event. Details at the Thinkingatheist dot com
slash events. Oh, doctor Sven is calling from overseas. Are
you there?
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Hello, wonderful to hear your voice. Good evening from Jenna.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Welcome, very nice.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
First of all, before we start, apologies, English is not
my first language, so please have patience with me. And
I just wanted to thank you for all you do.
It's just amazing to observe how you and your colleagues
cope with the situation in the States, so big respect
for that.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
I don't know how well we're coping. I think most
of us are terrified to read the headlines when we
get up in the morning. We're really here at ground zero,
but we're working hard. Hopefully you in Austria see that
there are millions of people who are part of a resistance.
You don't see. Okay, good.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
I've also got several American students, so I'm we all
we all see that absolutely good. One of the reasons
why I was calling it because I think many of
us observing your work, for example, are really worried for
people like you and and you know, people like Mattel
Hunty and others. You know that that you might face
(44:18):
at some point, actual prosecution. You know, it's really dangerous,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I know I'm on the list. I'm what I'm down
on the list, doctor sa Ben. I know that they're
going to come after the immigrants, and then I think
they're going to go after gay marriage. And I know
LGBT people are in general or on the bubble. They've
already gone after trans people, and they're kicking them out
of the armed services and taking away their you know,
(44:46):
their statuses, and revoking their driver's licenses and all that
shit's going on. And I heard Trump make a joke
about atheists from the Oval office the other day. There
aren't any atheists in here, are there? And he's got
this faith committee there, some department of faith that PAULA White,
the Grifter is running. So as an atheist, do I
(45:08):
think at some point I am declared because I'm not
a Christian, therefore I'm an enemy of God. Because I'm
an atheist activist, I'm anti American, therefore I'm tresonist and
should be kicked out. Do I think that day may come?
I don't know. What do you think that I'm I'm
on the bubble here many.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
I always wonder I might be overly hysterical. Just for
some background information, I'm a gay German atheist from the
lovely city of Dahau, which you might know from It
was the famous there was a famous concentration camp built
there in nineteen thirty three. Actually, the first Nazi concentration
camp was in my hometown. It was on my way
to school every day to the memorial side. Now, when I,
(45:49):
for example, saw those pictures of alligator Alcatraz, you know,
there's the same at picture with the famous pictures with
Trump standing inside there, and if you replace those metal
things this picture by wooden structures. That's exactly what the
barracks in the concentration co looked like. So I was
very very I'm very concerned about those things. Maybe too concerned.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I don't know the no, no, no, no, I don't think.
I don't think there is such a thing at this
moment as too concerned. They've decided that immigrants are animals,
I mean, and not in the evolutionary sense. They have
dehumanized them.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
That's exactly the rhetorics you find in the propaganda of
the nineteen twenties and thirties. You know, if you think
of movies like you Zeus and The Eternal Jew and
those movies for example, you have exactly this propaganda. This
is this wording of vermin and things like that.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So that's not that textbook, as I recalled, the Hitler
of the nineteen thirties had propaganda distributed showing the Jews
as rats or as rodents.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that was movies like I think in
English called The Eternal Jew. They yeah, we have to
it rings what happens in the States now rings many
bills for me as a as a gay man from Duhall.
You know, I would just like to encourage you to
(47:17):
think about if it's necessary leaving before bad things happen.
Just I think Europe should be honored to have people
like you coming in case.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
We've had the conversation. For now we've decided to stay
and fight. For lack of a better word, but do
I wonder if one day I'll be standing on the
street corner with my Cheeto Jesus banner and all of
a sudden the van pulls up. It's not out of
the realm of possibility. I don't know. I don't even
(47:50):
know how moving out of the country works, dual citizenship.
I'm overwhelmed the paperwork, the fields, all of the ligustics. Yeah,
it's just I'm overwhelmed by it.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
For this to be honest, I don't know. But I
would just just from observing from outside, I would just
encourage to investigate for possibilities, just in case. You know,
I don't know, I find that movement there's so many
stories of people who left Germany too late in the
nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, I appreciate your concern. Having a plan is always
a good thing. That's good advice, exactly. That's good advice exactly.
May I ask what you teach.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
I'm a musicologist, Yes, I'm teaching music history and improvisation
for musicians.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Do you play? Are you a musician yourself?
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Yes, I'm a musician myself on the lead player and
floutest wonderful.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
What else did you have for me before I move on?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (48:52):
I just wanted to really, to be honest, I just
wanted to talk about those things with you and encourage
you to go on with what you do. It's just
amazing to see me and I really enjoy your humor,
which you have also in this difficult it's a difficult
to say this. One thing I really as as a
European person I found really funny was your observations about
(49:12):
embarrassing bodies. You know, I'm one of those Germans who
has zero zero body shame in comparison to the American
to the American religious landscape relationship people have for their bodies.
So I found that very very funny. But in general,
(49:32):
please keep your humor and do those and keep doing
those things very kind.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Well, thank you for calling. It's an honor to have
you on the show. And we'll speak again. Okay.
Speaker 5 (49:43):
Likewise, it's really best wishes for you, you and your
wife and dogs.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Thank you very very much. I'll pass it on. We'll
see you later. For those who missed that discussion, Embarrassing
Bodies is a tabloidy, tabloidy sor right show that airs
originally in the UK where they really show all the
shit that they refuse to show medically in the United States.
(50:09):
So they've got, you know, like i'll call it peniscam, vaginacam, breastcam.
Maybe something is going on medically, and the camera doesn't
blur anything, it doesn't look away. It's not implied. They
go hard. They just right in there and show you
what's going on, which I find refreshing as someone who
was raised in a culture of body shame, cover up,
(50:30):
cover up, cover up. But the tagline of the show
is there is no shame. We are all the same.
And I have found it absolutely fascinating and I've learned
some stuff. Even though it's kind of tabloid. There's another
one that we just started watching before I let you go.
I can't defend this one either. This is so trashy,
(50:52):
and it also originates out of the UK, and it
also shows everything. It's called I think it's called Botched
Up Bodies, where people go in for cheap plastic surgery
and whoever the I mean, they go down to Tijuana
and pay a few hundred bucks, thinking hey, this is
(51:14):
a great deal, and some dude in the back of
a van injects industrial grade construction calking into their cheeks
is filler, and then shit goes wrong and their whole
face disintegrates and they're wondering what happened and wishing they'd
never done it. And then they go to these experts
(51:35):
in the field, I mean, top tier cosmetic surgeons, and
they have the problem finally rectified. So it's all about
relieving their misery and giving them a new lease on life.
But as I'm watching these shows and it's someone goes.
If someone says, hey, come down to this impoverished area
where we don't no one's vetted, we don't have a
(51:57):
medical degree, but we've got a cheap way to get
breast implants. Come on down. Who says, I'm in right.
The second someone says I can do it for you
on the cheap, that's the first red flag. There was
a guy who went in for dental implants because he
didn't like his teeth, or his teeth were broken, or
(52:20):
he had something going on, and he had somebody who
was not a veted endodontist or a dentist or whatever
it had to be to do this procedure put in
anchors into his gums, and they missed the bone. So
for years he's walking around and the teeth in his
mouth they're just moving around all the time. They're the
(52:43):
anchors were not anchored. And Oh, I thought I was
getting a good deal at five hundred bucks. I'm sorry,
an entire new set of teeth five hundred dollars. These
two concepts should not exist in the same sentence, and
if they do, you must run the other way. So
he goes and a high class, highly educated, respected dentist
(53:05):
goes in and says, holy shit, this was a mistake
and pulls out all the bad stuff and then gives
him a new lease on life. Perfect smile, everybody hugs
and he's out the door. That kind of show. It's
called botched up bodies. I'm hooked. Do I have a
fetish for like these hardcore medical shows. I think I
(53:26):
may have a problem. Now this actually ties into something
that I'll talk about for just a second. It involves
plastic surgery and Magaville, the world of Trump and plastic surgery.
But hang on just a second. I know a lot
of folks I have been talking about rightly talking about
Epstein and all of these much more important issues. Did
(53:49):
you see, of course, that Stephen Colbert is out The
Late Show is going to be canceled after he blasted
parent company Paramount for selling out taking a bribe to
this payoff with the Trump administration. It's just spineless. They're complicit,
they're cowards, they're pathetic, and we know it. So then
(54:09):
John Stewart of The Daily Show is saying the same thing,
what the hell's wrong with you people? On his show
eight days ago, nine days ago, he said, you guys
need to sack the fuck up. He just blasted Paramount
and all the law firms that are caving. And the
Washington poster was it the Wall Street Journal? I can't
(54:31):
remember which major newspapers have done settlements with Donald Trump.
They're just laying down. And so John Stewart finishes his
monologue with a church choir and he is singing to
Paramounts and all the other sellouts. The name of the
song is go fuck Yourself. So I'll be curious to
(54:53):
see how long he lasts. Well, I'm sure you've heard
somebody talk about south Park over the past few days.
This is beautiful. No, I don't really watch south Park,
but I am interested in how the artists, the creators,
the content producers out there seem to be leading the
charge when it comes to rebellion, the resistance. South Park
(55:16):
creators Trade Parker and Matt Stone made a deal with Paramount,
the company that is being ridiculed for being weak and
complicit and rolling over. But they made this deal for
streaming on Paramount, lucrative deal, one point five billion dollar deal.
And then they released the episode of south Park called
(55:36):
Sermon on the Mount, and the episode just destroys Donald
Trump and the sellouts. It roasts the media company, law firms, institutions, etc.
Who have caved instead of fighting back. They depict Donald
Trump literally in bed with say ten and there's a
(56:02):
whole conversation about the size or the lack of size
with Donald Trump's penis and animated penis, you can barely
see it. It's like a pixel on the screen. There's
Jesus Christ in the episode, and Jesus Christ is like,
don't provoke Trump. You know, be afraid of Donald Trump.
(56:22):
The town of South Park settles a lawsuit which was
filed by Trump, for three million dollars, and then the
whole town agreed to produce pro Trump content for free.
And then the episode ends with a fake public service
announcement and it says, who walked through the desert for you,
(56:42):
who survived the wilderness and gave the ultimate sacrifice. When
things heat up? Who will deliver us from temptation? Donald
Jay Trump, no matter how hot it gets, He's not
afraid to fight for America with conviction, discipline, and trust
in God. The deserts and then Trump, you know, he's sweating,
(57:04):
and he rips off his clothes and he collapses on
the ground and the camera pans down to a tiny
penis and the penis says, I'm Donald J. Trump and
I approved this message. Okay. The panderers at Paramount just
paid a billion and a half dollars to two guys
who are going to commit themselves fully to roasting paramount
(57:26):
force settling out to Donald J. Trump, And I think
it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It is the artist, it is
the creators. It is going to be the people who are,
I don't know, capable of real creative expression in this
culture that are going to make the difference. Cameraly on
(57:46):
the corporations. I'm not sure we can rely on the courts.
It's certainly not going to be the Congress. I think
it's going to have to be people who know how
to express critical messages in creative and compelling ways. To
come back to cosmetic surgery, this has been something that
is chronicled in major news outlets all around the world,
(58:09):
and I don't mean just the tabloids, I mean major
news publications, and they're talking about a phenomenon called Mara
a Lago Face. Apparently not just at the big Swanks
soarets at Mara a Lago, but throughout Magaville. People are saying,
you know, I like Ivanka's look, So they're going to
(58:29):
a plastic surgeon and they're asking for her brows, her eyes,
her lips, or nose, et cetera. And this is being exaggerated.
There's a whole esthetic going on at Mara a Lago
and beyond where people are overfilling their cheeks and over
widening their eyes, and overfilling their lips, and overstacking their
(58:49):
breasts and overdoing pretty much everything, and then they are photographed.
Those pictures circulate online and the rest of us wonder
if these women just came out of a fifteen round
boxing ring, or we're stung in the face by a
swarm of bees and had a reaction. Right, But it's
(59:09):
a thing. It is a thing, and it's I think
a reflection of the overexaggeration of everything that Donald Trump
says and does. Everything is amplified, everything is hyperbole, and
so now with women and some men, people are over
exaggerating their features and it has become a thing called
(59:31):
Mara Lago face. Just Google image search it. And I
don't think it's body shaming to do this. You know,
if someone wants a nip or a talker, they want
to improve their look for purposes of self esteem or whatever.
I'm all about that, right, improve the packaging if it
makes you happy. I'm talking about people who just go
over the top and become a caricature of themselves. They
(59:54):
look like something drawn in Mad magazine. It's fair to
point at that and say, what the actual hell is
going on beyond that in the real world. Go for it.
You know, you got a muffin top, you got some rolls,
you got a turkey neck, you got moobs, got man boobs.
You want to get rid of those. If you have
(01:00:15):
cankles or whatever, right, if you need or want something,
knock yourself out. I'm just saying, buyer beware, because you
might just leave the plastic surgeon and the only thing
missing will be the little inflator on your ass to
blow you up. I'm just saying, and that that is
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where we shall finish today. It's been a joy in
the Lord fellowshipping with you, my brethren. I'll see you later.
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So I'm in the middle of the new book that
just released by e Genie Carol. She was an advice
columnist for Elle magazine for like twenty five years and
a journalist and she's written several books and now at
the age of eighty one, she's still kicking. I subscribed
to her substack column and she is hysterical. She's just
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freaking hysterical. I love the way she writes. But she
has been in the news mostly over the past I
don't know, six seven years, because back in the nineteen nineties,
when she was like fifty one, Donald Trump sexually assaulted
her in the dressing room of a department store. At
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the time, she didn't say anything publicly. She filed no charges.
This wasn't anything, of course, that would ever go to court.
It was just under the rug. And when I got
to the point of the book where recently in twenty
twenty three, she was on the witness stand talking or
being grilled by Trump attorney Joe Tack, I was livid.
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I mean, the vein's coming out of my forehead and
I'm thinking, Jesus, no wonder. So many women don't come
forward to talk about being sexually assaulted because Takapina was
doing everything in his power to just destroy the woman.
Destroy that. He didn't succeed. He destroyed himself. But here's
the timeline. Okay, so this happened back in the nineties,
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the sexual assault. In June of twenty nineteen, Egene Carroll
publishes her memoir called what do We Need Men? For
a modest Proposal? Now, this is this is going to
tongue in cheek. Egene Carroll has had men in her life,
her entire life. She is a fan of men, despite
what happened to her. She's very fair about this. But
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in June of twenty nineteen. She writes Donald Trump raped
me in a department store dressing room in the mid
nineteen nineties. Donald Trump then denies the accusations, and he says,
number one, she's not my type. Number two, it never happened. Well.
This has become the title of Egen Carroll's new book
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called Not My Type, and it tells you how Donald
Trump thinks about women and being accused of rape. He
doesn't say, I'm not that kind of person. I honor
and respect women. How dare you malign my character in
this way? I deserve better as a noble member of
the male gender. Blah blah blah. No, no, he says, Eh,
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she's not my tie.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
She's not my type.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Why would I grab her and do this and that
with my penis? And why would I she ain't she
ain't my type? That was Donald Trump. Egen Carrol says, fine,
I will see you in court in several lawsuits. I
think two major lawsuits were filed for defamation. January sixth,
twenty twenty four, a second jury, because he had lost
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the first case, it went to appeal. A second jury
ordered Donald Trump that he must pay eighty three point
three million dollars to Egen Carrol Ford, defaming her when
she initially came forward with her story. And of course,
as he does so expertly, he rendered his garments and
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cried victim and said, oh, this is not the America
that was once so great. It's on the record. Donald
Trump sexually assaulted Egene Carol and then defamed her. This
is a matter now of a legal court ruling. So
I'm listening to this story. And then I stumbled upon
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an article much too long to read here, but it
is a legal recommendation as published at the City College
of New York and the Michigan Journal of Gender and
Law by a law professor named Ruth Ann Robson. And
she had written five years ago that it might have
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great utility to put together a special report chronicling the
decades long sexual predation of Donald Trump. Now, obviously with
the Congress we have now we know that's a punchline.
I mean, these are the same invertebrates, cons and co
predators that refuse to take a vote on releasing the
Epstein files. And right now Donald Trump is probably you know,
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they're going back, probably redacting his name and maybe even
falsely adding the names of all the people he wants
to take revenge on, and then they're going to release
it as fiction. You know what I'm saying. It's just
like relying on the Congress to hold a special committee
like the Warren Report or the nine to eleven report
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or the Muller Report. Now, they would never do this
for Trump's long history of sexual predation, but Professor Robson
does make a salient point that it would be useful.
Let's go through the claims. Let's make it a matter
of not just public but governmental record. After all, this
guy is the president of the United States. So then
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I was even more curious about these specific allegations by
so many women. The estimate ranges, I think from the
twenties into over seventy people. Some were reporting anonymously. There
was a long list of some specific cases that I
was going through, right. Jessica Leeds in twenty sixteen told
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The New York Times that back in the seventies, Donald Trump,
who she did not know, reached his hand up her
skirt and he grabbed her breasts on a flight to
New York. So there was a first class seat next
to him, and she was sitting in the back but
he thought, wow, she's hot, so he brought her up,
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sat her down next to him, and of course she's
kind of intoxicated by the idea of flying first class.
And it's Donald Trump, who was a known quantity, and
before she knew it, she said, quote, he was like
an octopus and his hands were everywhere. He literally started
groping her in first class. She got up and fled
to the back of the plane. This was in the seventies.
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Ivonna Trump, his first wife, accused him in a divorce
deposition that he raped her in a fit of rage
back in nineteen eighty nine when they were married. And
by the way, yes you can rape somebody when you're married.
There was a preacher, I think, who made an assertion
that once you signed the document in your husband and wife,
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then there's no such thing as rape. You gotta be
shitting me. Kristen Anderson, a photographer and a former model,
she said, back in the nineties, Donald Trump sat next
to her at a nightclub and he just reached under
her skirt. Totally freaked her out. She was out of there.
Two weeks before the twenty twenty four presidential election, there
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was an interview in the Guardian with a woman named
Stacy Williams. She said, I met Donald Trump back in
nineteen ninety two through none other than Jeffrey Ebstein. Jeffrey Epstein,
the ceial sex trafficker with the pedophile Island and flying
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people there, you know, the rich, fat cat rapist people
on the Lolita Express. And it was Jeffrey Epstein who
suggested that the two of them go visit Epstein's buddy,
Donald Trump at Trump Tower in New York this nineteen
ninety three, and shortly after she got there, Donald Trump
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groped her breasts and grabbed her butts. The Trump campaign
said this is false. Jill Hearth, a woman who worked
with Donald Trump in the nineteen nineties, said he tried
to rape her nineteen ninety three. She said Trump tried
to kiss her in his own daughter's bedroom at Mara Lago.
He pushed her against a wall, he put his hand
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up her dress. She filed a lawsuit and then draw
upped the suit a few weeks later as part of
a settlement with Trump. In regard to a different court case,
a businesswoman named Lisa Boyne said that in nineteen ninety six,
at a dinner with Donald Trump. Several women were forced
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to walk across a table while Donald Trump looked up
their skirts and commented on their underwear and bodies. She
said it was the most offensive scene I've ever been
a part of. I mean, there were far too many
for me to read for you here, but they're just terrifying.
Just a quick summation of a few of the others.
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Natasha Stoynoff a former reporter for People magazine. In full disclosure,
she's a friend of mine. She was at mar A
Lago in two thousand and five doing a story about
Trump's first year of marriage with Maulania, so she's there
on the job. Malania goes upstairs. Trump says, hey, come
in this other room. I want to show you something.
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Then Trump closes the door, pushes Natasha against the wall,
and forces his tongue down her throat. She has, of course,
since come forward and bravely talked about the assault and
been blowing the whistle on this sexual predator ever since
they got Rachel Crooks. Former Trump Tower receptionist, said that
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back in two thousand and five, Trump just grabbed her
and kissed her on the mouth. You've got the pageant thing.
Former Miss Finland said that Trump grabbed her by the
butt when they were backstage at the Late Show with
David Letterman. Samantha Halvey, a former Miss USA contestant, said
that Trump would just walk through and size everybody up.
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Bridget Sullivan, former Miss USA contestants, said it was common
for Trump just to walk backstage while people the contestants
were naked or get dressed. He just felt entitled because
he owned Miss USA. By the way, he also owned
Miss Teen USA. According to contestants, he would go back
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into the dressing rooms with contestants as young as fifteen,
assuring them, don't worry, ladies, I've seen it all before
he got Summer Zervos, she was a former contestant on
The Apprentice. She said, back in two thousand and seven,
he just grabbed her, grabbed her shoulder, kissed her aggressively,
put his hand on her breast, thrust himself on her
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before she was able to tear herself away and get
out of the room, one after the other after the other,
which brings me back to Epstein. In the Epstein documents,
I don't care who's on the list. I mean, I care,
but you know what I mean when I say, if
it's Trump, if it's I mean, any name, any President Obama, Bush, Clinton, whoever,
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all right, whoever's on the list. If it's another celebrity,
if it's Harvey Weinstein, if it's Prince Andrew, if it's
a common, everyday citizen that nobody knows but happens to
be a fat cat. That Ebstein sort of rubbed elbows with.
Whoever was on the manifest whoever was in the room,
whoever's on surveillance footage, whoever's been photoed, whoever was there,
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whoever raped children? I want to know who they are,
and I want them prosecuted. Immediately expose and prosecute them.
How could this possibly be a controversial position? And then
I got to sit back and watch Mike Johnson, who
has been this bloviating, chest thumping, Bible banging Puritan conservative
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Christian who supposedly is the moral high ground guy. Right,
he stands on the tall mountain giving the rest of
his his moral wisdom. He just decides, not only are
we gonna not convene till September so we don't have
to address the Epstein documents, but Donald Trump is enjoying
a ninety percent approval rating. I mean, the guy has
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no If there is a soul, he has no soul.
These people are ghules, they're guls, they are predator and nablests.
They are co rapists as far as I'm concerned. And
then we've got the words of Donald Trump himself. I
mentioned was it last show about Donald Trump? When he
was on the escalator that time years ago. There's like
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a ten year old girl. He doesn't just say hey,
nice to see you have a good day. Right, maybe
he is a recognized quantity even with children. Oh look
it's Donald Trump. Does he say hi, I have a
good day. No, this is what comes out of his
mouth as soon as he sees the ten year old girl,
You're going up the escaladder. I'm going to be dating her.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
In ten years.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Gonna go in.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Regarding the court case for Carol, Donald Trump gave his
deposition on camera. He was asked about the Access Hollywood
tape grab him by the pussy. You know when he said, ah,
come on, it's just locker room talk. He didn't say
I'm so sorry I said it. It was a horrible
thing and a horrible attitude. And I should have been better.
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And I'm going to commit the rest of my life
to to being the man that I always should have been.
I beg forgiveness to all women for acting and speaking
and being so no, no, nan. He is asked during
the deposition about that statement. And here's what he said.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
True stars, that they can grab women by the well,
that's what that's If you look over the last million years,
I guess that's been largely too, not always, but largely true.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Unfortunately or fortunately.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
As John Stewart so eloquently pointed out on The Daily
Show a few days ago, Trump won't even take a
position non whether or not pussy grabbing is a appropriate
or inappropriate. This man is the president of the United
States of America, and I have to watch maga minions,
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enablers allow it and even celebrate it. There's an actual
organization called Women for Trump. It's the equivalent of chickens
for Tyson Foods. And then, before I get to your calls,
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Donald Trump, speaking about his own daughter, said that if
Evanca weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her. It's
so weird.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Far from protecting his daughter from being talked about as
a sex object, he has encouraged it multiple times. On
Howard Stern's radio show in two thousand and four and
then again in two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
By the way, you and daughter, she's beautiful. Can I
say this is a piece of ass? She looks more
voluptuous than ever and actually always been very voluptuous.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
She's almost six feet tall.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
In May, Ivanka described herself as a feminist while defending
her father on CBS after escathing New York Times article
about his alleged negative treatment of women.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Is there unending commentary on the female form?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
No, I've known my father obviously my whole life, and
he has total respect for women.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Please welcome the lovely Ivanka Trump.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Still, even if Vodka, seemed confused when talk show host
Wendy Williams asked about things the two have in common.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What's the favorite thing you have in common with your father,
either real estate or golf? Donald with your daughter? Well,
I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Donald Trump repeatedly points out how hot his daughter is,
saying last year in a Rolling Stone article, Yeah, she's
really something and what a beauty that one. If I
weren't happily married, and you know her father.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
My daughter, Yeah, she's six feet tall. She's got the
best body here. She's hot. That's a report that was
done several years ago by CNN. There's no bottom, there's
just no floor. Every time I think there's a threshold,
there's a limit. Now there's no limit. There's no there's
no limit to these people. It's just ghoules. And now
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you and I are trapped here. There's tens of millions
of freaking voters have allowed this guy, this predator, this
con this this man who is disintegrating cognitively before our
very eyes, grab America by the pussy. I need a break,
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I need a sec I need have moments to take
a breath and refresh my coffee back in just second.
Thank you for listening and supporting me. Thank you just
for being here. We're all in this together, and you
were much appreciated for zero two. I don't see your name. Hi, welcome.
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What do I call you?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
My friends call me Maggie or Maggie.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
So I've been.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Thinking a lot about so their children. I've never had children,
their children in my life, though I've raised several nieces
and nephews and my blood family. The people who raised
me are very, very religious, some of them more than others,
you know, And I was raised to be Christian and
all that, I never really believed, like when I was
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a kid. You know, when you're told the believe stuff
and you're a kid, you do. But I found my
own path eventually away from all that and everything. But
I'm living around those people again, my blood relatives, and
there are kids. Some of my siblings or cousins or
whatever have children, and I don't know, like subjects come
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up sometimes. For instance, they love dinosaurs. I love dinosaurs.
I've always loved dinosaurs. And they ask questions and stuff,
and I don't lie to children, and yet their parents
would not be happy with me if I were to
tell them the truth of say, birds they're dinosaurs because evolution,
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and yet I have already done that and they are like, okay, yeah,
that makes sense, you know. I tell them, you know,
why we know this and everything. I try not to
speak down the children, but I also try to summarize
things because they're not going to grasp a lot of it.
And I don't know, I'm just feeling really anxious about
how much should I push and tell them these things
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when they ask these questions or when we're talking about
anything related, and like, am I an asshole if I
tell them these things that their parents do not want
them to be hearing. So I just wanted your opinion
on that kids are tough.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
There's a boundary involved where yeah, a parent does have
stewardship over the child, and there is no great solution.
You and I are like, let's teach the kids how
to think, not what to think. But if a parent
has the right to raise that child, I always praise
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it this way, like, doesn't a child have the right
to not be brainwashed? You know? And I think, but
I was six years old. I wish, you know, someone
had said, doesn't this child have the right to not
be raised with magical thinking and wrong ideas? And it's
so freaking messy. I don't know how to approach the
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parenting of another's child. I don't think the answer is
to step into that boundary, into the threshold of their
lives and begin telling kids what to think. I do
think it's healthy for the kids to see you living
with a different perspective, living with maybe even different values.
You're in their zip code, you're in their eyeline, and
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they're like, wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I feel like it's my responsibility. Like you said, teach
some how to think and not what to think. I
guess is the only real thing I can do.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Dude, I've got a shit ton of Well, they're grown now,
but when they were younger, nephews and nieces, and I
see them and they're going to church every Sunday. And
they believe that Adam and Eve lived in the garden
and Noah built the Ark, and they believe Jesus was
the magical baby born in the manger, and all of
these other things, and the Bible had informed how they
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felt in the world about other things. Their parents had
taught them that being gay was the perversion of God's
perfect plan and that gay people were pervs and blah
blah blah. And they taught them not to trust scientists
because scientists are putting their faith in the natural. We
put our faith in the supernatural. So they were hamstringing them.
And I found myself vibrating in my chair, thinking, how
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do we how do? What can I do? I feel
helpless watching this child be brainwashed the way I was brainwashed,
And I'm handcuffed because that is not my zone. I
do not have the legal right at the very least
to go in and try to parent somebody else's child.
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The best I knew how to do was to be
Uncle Seth, who doesn't believe in God, who doesn't think
it's real, in the hopes that when the time came,
they would say, hey, wait a minute, I'm wondering how
you got there, And this has happened. There have been
a few people in my family who when they became adults,
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and a few of them are under the radar. I'm
not betraying them, because my family's huge and no one's
going to be able to pigeonhole them. But at this
point they're still under the radar. They know it's crap,
and they have silently reached out to me and said, okay,
I get it. I'm on I understand, but you know,
they don't want to upset mom, dad, grandma, whoever, and
(23:22):
so they play it really cool. But just be you
at the volume you choose in their vicinity if you can. Awesome,
all right, Thanks for Colin, appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Thanks til.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I've got Al calling out of Chicago seven seven three High. Al, welcome,
good to speak with you. Let's talk what's on your mind.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
I just wanted to talk about the kind of shotenfreude
that I've seen in some of my clients. They don't
say it directly, but when you're a mental health professional,
you start to see the signs when they bring up
certain politicians or personalities. It's a little scary to me
because it seems to be like an equal opportunity problem. Certainly,
(24:10):
it's not as much of the I want to see
the other side suffer on the liberal side as there
are seemingly on the mega side. But I do get
some of that regardless of who I talk to, regardless
of which group. Like for every ten nice empathetic comments
about the flooding victims, there's like one that I'll see
(24:30):
online where it's like, oh, you know, they got it
coming and all this, but of course you see the
stuff from their side where you get your body my
choice saying you get the owning the Libs because of
the alligator Alcatraz stuff. Oh I hope they get I
hope those people get eaten. And like, I don't know
if this was around when I was a kid, Like
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there was vitriol, there was certainly distrust, but I I
wonder if you have seen in the past the amount
of dehumanizing of the other when it comes.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
To Americans, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Is this something I'm just seeing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Broadcast in that way at this volume from the highest levels,
the kind of open, unabashed, celebrated cruelty that we are
seeing now. I mean, people are cheering the unmarked vans
and the masked Ice agents, the secret police, the American
Gestapo that are just stripping families apart and their's screams
(25:33):
and tears, and people who will never see their family
members again before they go off into a torture camp somewhere.
And people that were supposed to be all about the
love of Jesus, a shit ton of them, or they're
high five in each other because this is hashtag America.
I feel what you're feeling. It's a celebration of the
herd of other people. It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Yeah, it does feel as if it's I think it's
the unabashed. It's you're right to say that. The difference
is like, it's not the kind of enjoyment of others
suffering that you would want public. It's like, let's veil it,
let's hide it underneath some tradition. Let's find a way
to not let them know that we're dehumanizing them, but
(26:17):
it's just the way it is, you know, that's just
how it goes. But now it's like, no, I'm not
even anonymously, I'm going to be openly and happily with
my face on the screen say these people are not human.
And I can't say that that's the technological thing, but
maybe it is. I can't say that it's a sociological thing.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Maybe it is.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
But it does get me worried because it's like anybody
can become that. Well, not every human being, but like
if any person that's in front of you, you can't
really tell whether or not they can be radicalized in
that way. There's no pill for it, there's no diagnosis
for it. And I think that's what kind of scares
the folks that are just trying to make things.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Don't you feel that those who are terrified of the different,
or who have been programmed into bigotry the Bible is
a great excuse for them to express what they're really thinking.
You know, it's one of those It's like the independent
Fundamental Baptist Church hate preachers like Stephen Anderson when they
get behind their podiums and say, you know, the government
(27:21):
should round up and execute gay people. Well, it's not
my idea, it's you know, God said it. I'm just
following God's lead trust, not in my own understanding. It's
you know, it's it's their problem. They're the aberrant ones.
And I just think, what a freaking cop out, because
you know, in his mind, he's his heart is just poison.
It's just full of poison, right shottenfreude. By the way,
(27:43):
For those who don't know what the term means, it
means that you experience pleasure in the misfortune of others. Now,
I will say I have been guilty when I see
bad people take it in the teeth, when I see
shit go down and action reaction causes bad agents to
have bad things happen. Okay, Yeah, I feel it. I
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feel that rush of endorphin and and joy, and then
I raise a glass and say I'm glad. I'm glad
that you know somebody who was doing terrible things has
had something terrible happen to them. I don't know if
that's even the moral position, man, I mean, do you
ever feel that way?
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Sure, it's more on principle. For me, it's like, Okay,
this is somebody who is actively reveling in the harm
of somebody else. And if I see them getting to
come up and it's like, ah, okay, see what goes
around comes around is kind of a rhyme to it.
It feels good even then though I'm not just happy
that they suffered. It's the fact that they got the
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suffering due to the stuffering that they caused. Yeah, it's
not just by nature of them being just inherently evil
or inherently wrong, or it's behavior that leads to behavior
that I can understand, but it's far more global globalizing.
I notice. It's like, I don't even care if they
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voted for Trump or voted for Harris for decent reasons.
You're just part of the evil club. You're just as
bad as the Pizzagate people. You're as bad as the
peeky torch Nazis. We just kind of it's not everybody,
but like there's a certain I can't quite put a
finger on it, but it just feels like a reveling
in something that's a little bit more than the principle
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of the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, I understand. Yes, there's a pettiness to it and
a cruelty that I have never seen. I was talking
to my MAGA associate two days ago about the cruelty.
You would have thought I had, I had grown a
second head that had no. I'd like, no, No, he's
not cruel just I just think, well, how can you
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not see?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
We ask ourselves, do we see Trump experiencing anything that
could be called a healthy manifestation of joy? I say
what you want about Biden or Harris or Obama or
Clinton or Bush or anybody else, right, we could see
the humanity when they would crack a joke and they'd
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play with a dog, and they would high five with
people and hang out in a way that was generous.
And with Donald Trump, the only time I see him
happy is when he's masturbating about how great he is,
or when he's being cruel to somebody else. They're stupid,
they're weak, blah blah blah. He's making a joke at
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their expense, diminishing them. Cruelty is his currency, man, it's
his oxygen. Do I want to see something horrible happen
to the guy? I'd be lying if I said I didn't.
I'm going to have a champagne glass maid that says
he's dead and I'm going to stick it on my shelf,
and the day I read that obituary, my ass is
having a toast. I'm just literally going to raise a
(30:54):
glass and say this chapter is done. Is that shodenfreude?
I don't know, but I'm going to do it now.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Don't do it so I think I'll do that too.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I can't plank you for that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Hey, let's be kind in a cruel world. Some people
think kindness is weakness, and I don't. I think kindness
is strength. Anybody can tear down, it takes I think,
a lot more effort, and it takes a lot more
heart and hard work to construct and build and grow
and support and make. Anybody can crash things down, but
to rebuild or to build in general, that takes maturity
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and depth of character and commitment, and I think that
should be us. And I'm sure you're one of those
guys out. So thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
I appreciate to talk.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
All right, see you Lean, Cruelty's always been there, But
he's right, it's a spectator sport. That'd be a way
to say it. Tonight, it's seven on all the major networks.
It's cruel time, and we'll take this group over here,
and we'll be cruel to them for its own sake.
(32:01):
I was watching some Classic Trek, the original series Star Trek.
I bought the remastered series where they went through and
they updated the special effects, but they didn't update them
too much. So when they show the Enterprise orbiting the
planet and flying through space and they show the alien,
I don't know whatever, the entities off in the cosmos.
(32:24):
They still look kitchy and charming in that nineteen sixties way,
but they're updated to make them more palatable. They got
the balance just about perfect, but the rest, all the
interior stuff is the same. And I just watched the
episode the name escapes me. The purists will already know
about when Kirk and Spock and McCoy land on a
(32:46):
planet that had emulated the Roman colisseums and they had
taken the other the rebels, the slaves, etc. They captured
people and they would throw them in an arena with
weapons and make them fight gladiators. But it was televised,
and they had these big TV cameras, and they had music,
(33:08):
and they had applause lines, you know, and knobs that
turned up the booze and the hisses and they did
it for ratings and it was you know, it just
straight up cruel voyeurism. That's what's going on today. Hell
we got the cameras. It's all cruelty theater and it
hurts the heart. Dustin at seven to seven, welcome, thanks
(33:33):
for waiting. Are you there?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Such?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
How are you man?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I'm excellent? What's on your mind? There was a.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
TNG episode similar to that, wasn't there where somebody fought
to the death. It was what's her name? The blonde girl?
Remember Tasha?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You are the blonde Yeah, I mean the head of
security on the United States. The US is in a
pro Okay, all right, well I don't I don't remember
the episode. When I think of y'all, first of all,
I think of sex with data, and I think that
she was killed by black ooze. That's the only thing
that I can really think about, So so what else?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's how she was killed?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
But uh oh, yeah, she died by oohs. She died
by oohs. And it's a wacky episode. So all right,
go ahead, what else is happening?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I'm not sure how I found you or how I
missed you all these I mean, you've been doing this
a long time, so I missed the algorithms. I've discovered
four horsemen and all these other great Neil Degrass Tyson
and then just recently though, wow, who's this guy. Yeah,
you've got a way of just articulating stuff that I
really have wanted to say.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
So go along.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, there are horsemen, and I'm the guy that's on
the little merry go round in front of the department
store that you put the quarters into. So it's a
very small ceramic horse, but it does it occasionally does
move in a productive direction. But yeah, thanks for the
kind words. Actually yeah, oh okay, porcelain.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, I like that better. But you know, I went
to an ACE school, so I know exactly what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Oh, explain ACE or or I can either one of us.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, it's a mine. Was called Trinity Baptist Academy, and
they used the ACE program, which is a learn at
your own pace and they had us in cubicles, whole
thing with the flags. If you had a question, you
put up the flag.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
The Accelerated Christian Education was was a nightmare because they
the questions in those workbooks would be things like why
did God make the trees? Green right did every question
was a leading question where God or Jesus or the
Bible was the right answer. It's intense and doctrination. And
(35:56):
the people who quote unquote graduate and my ACE program,
the instructors, they didn't call them teachers. They called them monitors.
They couldn't call them teachers because there was no accreditation.
And our monitor didn't even have a college degree. So
she was teaching children, but she didn't have any education
(36:16):
with which to teach them, which is really common in
ACE programs. The IBLP culture does the same thing, the
Institute for Basic Life Principles and Gothard's School curriculums, etc.
How'd you finally escape that nightmare?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Well, my parents were fundamental as Christians, and I think
they just thought that the Baptist Academy was going to
be a much better place than public school. But I
was onto this and I remembered a story about a
woman named Johnny Ericson or Joni Ericson. This is a
woman who became paralyzed from the neck down, and her view,
(36:58):
I think was that Jesus did this to her so
that she could witness to people in a special way.
Her story is pretty remarkable she still she did art,
and she still managed somehow to do art with her teeth.
She painted with her teeth. But anyway, I came home
and told them, I says, guess what they're teaching me there?
I said, Oh, what they're teaching me that you know
(37:18):
that God actually does this to people who puts you
in this position. And they they just you know, flat
out like what wow. So they took me out of
the of the a school and put me right back
into the public school.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
They yanked me out of Johnny Erickson. There was actually
a movie about her life that she herself starred in.
She I think it was a diving accident and she
snapped her neck and became a quadriplegian. But she was
able to with her mouth. She put a pencil in
her mouth and using only her mouth would do pencil art.
(37:55):
That was stunning. I remarkable talent, remarkable talent. And it
was against that backdrop that all of this was frame
and our weakness. He is strong. God is showing how
great he is. Even though the physical flesh is sometimes
encounters calamity in this fallen world, God is able to
(38:16):
bring beauty out of pain. It was a total game
of twister, but that was the kind of stuff we heard.
It sounds like you and I heard the same story.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, and I knew this didn't sit well with my parents,
so I used that, not her story, but something like
that that, you know, they teach that God does this,
you know, or allows these calamities to happen to people
so that they can be some special witness.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Another argument to the Norman Geisler argument is that God
has to have evil in the world or calamity in
the world as a contrast to his great goodness, meaning
we wouldn't understand what God's goodness is if we didn't
have the flip side of the coin. Awfulness and pain
and accidents and murder and you know, quadr pelegic diving circumstances.
(39:02):
All of that stuff has to happen, you know, so
that if we see God's goodness, we would actually have
a point of reference and know what good looks like.
It is just insane what Geisler and his ilk Gip
talked about. Anyway, It sounds like you and I walked
a bunch of the same steps, Dustin. I'm glad you
found the channel, you know. I hope you enjoy the
rest of the content as you browse around.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, and seeing my parents now that they've adopted more
kids and they're indoctrinating them, it's just really hard to see.
I feel so bad for them because they've they've started
with them from the beginning. They didn't do that with
me until I was eleven or twelve. Prior to that,
they were drinking and smoking pot and playing in bars.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Do they know you're not? Did they know?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
My mom will flat out say to me, right to
my face, so you will bow your knee to God
one day and I remember what you said. It's like
like them saying, just you wait to your day.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think what was said to me was the atheist
will be ashes under the feet of the believer. It's
almost a direct quote, which is a threat, and it
shows you just and they think they're saying it in
love because this is how you rescue someone. It's almost
a scared straight model one day, right, one day. I'm
(40:22):
sorry this has happened with your family. You doing okay
despite the challenges.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, I have so much support with you, your channel
and all the other great resources out there. It's tremendous great,
So thank you so much for what you do.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
All right, my friend, you and I we busted out.
We left ACE in the rear view mirror where it belongs,
and now we can help blow the whistle for other people.
Appreciate you very much, man, am right. Thanks that see
you later. I did a whole show on ACE with
Jenna Scaramanga. Doctor Jenna Scaramanga is an expert I believe
(41:02):
did her doctoral thesis on ACE and these types of cults.
It's been years, but it is in the archive and
we go through many of the actual lesson plans in
those workbooks. It is a wonder these kids don't just
walk out of the building a graduation day when they're
(41:23):
a senior and just zombie themselves out into the middle
of a highway and get struck by a truck because
they don't know to look both ways. It is not educating.
It is horrifyingly simplistic and wrong headed, and it's superstition,
and it's horrible about women. It has a lesson in
there where it shows this young girl and she's probably
(41:45):
supposed to be ten or eleven. She's looking in a
mirror and she's trying on different outfits and she shows
a little bit of kneecap in one of the illustrations,
and she's like, oh, oh, God would not want me
to show my kneecaps, And so she goes back to
the closet and she changes into something much more proper
(42:07):
so that she will not lead them Acee boys into
lust and carnality. She's fucking eleven. That's a handmade TiAl
shit going on. Just say it still to come. We're
going to talk a little more about creepy Dawn. South
(42:30):
Park is in the news, and we'll take more of
your calls. Hang on. We just had Nano'conna Nashville this
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(42:52):
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It's a great event. Details at the Thinkingatheist dot com
slash events. Oh, doctor Sven is calling from overseas. Are
you there?
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Hello, wonderful to hear your voice. Good evening from Jenna.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Welcome, very nice.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
First of all, before we start, apologies, English is not
my first language, so please have patience with me. And
I just wanted to thank you for all you do.
It's just amazing to observe how you and your colleagues
cope with the situation in the States, so big respect
for that.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
I don't know how well we're coping. I think most
of us are terrified to read the headlines when we
get up in the morning. We're really here at ground zero,
but we're working hard. Hopefully you in Austria see that
there are millions of people who are part of a resistance.
You don't see. Okay, good.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
I've also got several American students, so I'm we all
we all see that absolutely good. One of the reasons
why I was calling it because I think many of
us observing your work, for example, are really worried for
people like you and and you know, people like Mattel
Hunty and others. You know that that you might face
(44:18):
at some point, actual prosecution. You know, it's really dangerous,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I know I'm on the list. I'm what I'm down
on the list, doctor sa Ben. I know that they're
going to come after the immigrants, and then I think
they're going to go after gay marriage. And I know
LGBT people are in general or on the bubble. They've
already gone after trans people, and they're kicking them out
of the armed services and taking away their you know,
(44:46):
their statuses, and revoking their driver's licenses and all that
shit's going on. And I heard Trump make a joke
about atheists from the Oval office the other day. There
aren't any atheists in here, are there? And he's got
this faith committee there, some department of faith that PAULA White,
the Grifter is running. So as an atheist, do I
(45:08):
think at some point I am declared because I'm not
a Christian, therefore I'm an enemy of God. Because I'm
an atheist activist, I'm anti American, therefore I'm tresonist and
should be kicked out. Do I think that day may come?
I don't know. What do you think that I'm I'm
on the bubble here many.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
I always wonder I might be overly hysterical. Just for
some background information, I'm a gay German atheist from the
lovely city of Dahau, which you might know from It
was the famous there was a famous concentration camp built
there in nineteen thirty three. Actually, the first Nazi concentration
camp was in my hometown. It was on my way
to school every day to the memorial side. Now, when I,
(45:49):
for example, saw those pictures of alligator Alcatraz, you know,
there's the same at picture with the famous pictures with
Trump standing inside there, and if you replace those metal
things this picture by wooden structures. That's exactly what the
barracks in the concentration co looked like. So I was
very very I'm very concerned about those things. Maybe too concerned.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I don't know the no, no, no, no, I don't think.
I don't think there is such a thing at this
moment as too concerned. They've decided that immigrants are animals,
I mean, and not in the evolutionary sense. They have
dehumanized them.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
That's exactly the rhetorics you find in the propaganda of
the nineteen twenties and thirties. You know, if you think
of movies like you Zeus and The Eternal Jew and
those movies for example, you have exactly this propaganda. This
is this wording of vermin and things like that.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So that's not that textbook, as I recalled, the Hitler
of the nineteen thirties had propaganda distributed showing the Jews
as rats or as rodents.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that was movies like I think in
English called The Eternal Jew. They yeah, we have to
it rings what happens in the States now rings many
bills for me as a as a gay man from Duhall.
You know, I would just like to encourage you to
(47:17):
think about if it's necessary leaving before bad things happen.
Just I think Europe should be honored to have people
like you coming in case.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
We've had the conversation. For now we've decided to stay
and fight. For lack of a better word, but do
I wonder if one day I'll be standing on the
street corner with my Cheeto Jesus banner and all of
a sudden the van pulls up. It's not out of
the realm of possibility. I don't know. I don't even
(47:50):
know how moving out of the country works, dual citizenship.
I'm overwhelmed the paperwork, the fields, all of the ligustics. Yeah,
it's just I'm overwhelmed by it.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
For this to be honest, I don't know. But I
would just just from observing from outside, I would just
encourage to investigate for possibilities, just in case. You know,
I don't know, I find that movement there's so many
stories of people who left Germany too late in the
nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, I appreciate your concern. Having a plan is always
a good thing. That's good advice, exactly. That's good advice exactly.
May I ask what you teach.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
I'm a musicologist, Yes, I'm teaching music history and improvisation
for musicians.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Do you play? Are you a musician yourself?
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Yes, I'm a musician myself on the lead player and
floutest wonderful.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
What else did you have for me before I move on?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (48:52):
I just wanted to really, to be honest, I just
wanted to talk about those things with you and encourage
you to go on with what you do. It's just
amazing to see me and I really enjoy your humor,
which you have also in this difficult it's a difficult
to say this. One thing I really as as a
European person I found really funny was your observations about
(49:12):
embarrassing bodies. You know, I'm one of those Germans who
has zero zero body shame in comparison to the American
to the American religious landscape relationship people have for their bodies.
So I found that very very funny. But in general,
(49:32):
please keep your humor and do those and keep doing
those things very kind.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Well, thank you for calling. It's an honor to have
you on the show. And we'll speak again. Okay.
Speaker 5 (49:43):
Likewise, it's really best wishes for you, you and your
wife and dogs.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Thank you very very much. I'll pass it on. We'll
see you later. For those who missed that discussion, Embarrassing
Bodies is a tabloidy, tabloidy sor right show that airs
originally in the UK where they really show all the
shit that they refuse to show medically in the United States.
(50:09):
So they've got, you know, like i'll call it peniscam, vaginacam, breastcam.
Maybe something is going on medically, and the camera doesn't
blur anything, it doesn't look away. It's not implied. They
go hard. They just right in there and show you
what's going on, which I find refreshing as someone who
was raised in a culture of body shame, cover up,
(50:30):
cover up, cover up. But the tagline of the show
is there is no shame. We are all the same.
And I have found it absolutely fascinating and I've learned
some stuff. Even though it's kind of tabloid. There's another
one that we just started watching before I let you go.
I can't defend this one either. This is so trashy,
(50:52):
and it also originates out of the UK, and it
also shows everything. It's called I think it's called Botched
Up Bodies, where people go in for cheap plastic surgery
and whoever the I mean, they go down to Tijuana
and pay a few hundred bucks, thinking hey, this is
(51:14):
a great deal, and some dude in the back of
a van injects industrial grade construction calking into their cheeks
is filler, and then shit goes wrong and their whole
face disintegrates and they're wondering what happened and wishing they'd
never done it. And then they go to these experts
(51:35):
in the field, I mean, top tier cosmetic surgeons, and
they have the problem finally rectified. So it's all about
relieving their misery and giving them a new lease on life.
But as I'm watching these shows and it's someone goes.
If someone says, hey, come down to this impoverished area
where we don't no one's vetted, we don't have a
(51:57):
medical degree, but we've got a cheap way to get
breast implants. Come on down. Who says, I'm in right.
The second someone says I can do it for you
on the cheap, that's the first red flag. There was
a guy who went in for dental implants because he
didn't like his teeth, or his teeth were broken, or
(52:20):
he had something going on, and he had somebody who
was not a veted endodontist or a dentist or whatever
it had to be to do this procedure put in
anchors into his gums, and they missed the bone. So
for years he's walking around and the teeth in his
mouth they're just moving around all the time. They're the
(52:43):
anchors were not anchored. And Oh, I thought I was
getting a good deal at five hundred bucks. I'm sorry,
an entire new set of teeth five hundred dollars. These
two concepts should not exist in the same sentence, and
if they do, you must run the other way. So
he goes and a high class, highly educated, respected dentist
(53:05):
goes in and says, holy shit, this was a mistake
and pulls out all the bad stuff and then gives
him a new lease on life. Perfect smile, everybody hugs
and he's out the door. That kind of show. It's
called botched up bodies. I'm hooked. Do I have a
fetish for like these hardcore medical shows. I think I
(53:26):
may have a problem. Now this actually ties into something
that I'll talk about for just a second. It involves
plastic surgery and Magaville, the world of Trump and plastic surgery.
But hang on just a second. I know a lot
of folks I have been talking about rightly talking about
Epstein and all of these much more important issues. Did
(53:49):
you see, of course, that Stephen Colbert is out The
Late Show is going to be canceled after he blasted
parent company Paramount for selling out taking a bribe to
this payoff with the Trump administration. It's just spineless. They're complicit,
they're cowards, they're pathetic, and we know it. So then
(54:09):
John Stewart of The Daily Show is saying the same thing,
what the hell's wrong with you people? On his show
eight days ago, nine days ago, he said, you guys
need to sack the fuck up. He just blasted Paramount
and all the law firms that are caving. And the
Washington poster was it the Wall Street Journal? I can't
(54:31):
remember which major newspapers have done settlements with Donald Trump.
They're just laying down. And so John Stewart finishes his
monologue with a church choir and he is singing to
Paramounts and all the other sellouts. The name of the
song is go fuck Yourself. So I'll be curious to
(54:53):
see how long he lasts. Well, I'm sure you've heard
somebody talk about south Park over the past few days.
This is beautiful. No, I don't really watch south Park,
but I am interested in how the artists, the creators,
the content producers out there seem to be leading the
charge when it comes to rebellion, the resistance. South Park
(55:16):
creators Trade Parker and Matt Stone made a deal with Paramount,
the company that is being ridiculed for being weak and
complicit and rolling over. But they made this deal for
streaming on Paramount, lucrative deal, one point five billion dollar deal.
And then they released the episode of south Park called
(55:36):
Sermon on the Mount, and the episode just destroys Donald
Trump and the sellouts. It roasts the media company, law firms, institutions, etc.
Who have caved instead of fighting back. They depict Donald
Trump literally in bed with say ten and there's a
(56:02):
whole conversation about the size or the lack of size
with Donald Trump's penis and animated penis, you can barely
see it. It's like a pixel on the screen. There's
Jesus Christ in the episode, and Jesus Christ is like,
don't provoke Trump. You know, be afraid of Donald Trump.
(56:22):
The town of South Park settles a lawsuit which was
filed by Trump, for three million dollars, and then the
whole town agreed to produce pro Trump content for free.
And then the episode ends with a fake public service
announcement and it says, who walked through the desert for you,
(56:42):
who survived the wilderness and gave the ultimate sacrifice. When
things heat up? Who will deliver us from temptation? Donald
Jay Trump, no matter how hot it gets, He's not
afraid to fight for America with conviction, discipline, and trust
in God. The deserts and then Trump, you know, he's sweating,
(57:04):
and he rips off his clothes and he collapses on
the ground and the camera pans down to a tiny
penis and the penis says, I'm Donald J. Trump and
I approved this message. Okay. The panderers at Paramount just
paid a billion and a half dollars to two guys
who are going to commit themselves fully to roasting paramount
(57:26):
force settling out to Donald J. Trump, And I think
it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It is the artist, it is
the creators. It is going to be the people who are,
I don't know, capable of real creative expression in this
culture that are going to make the difference. Cameraly on
(57:46):
the corporations. I'm not sure we can rely on the courts.
It's certainly not going to be the Congress. I think
it's going to have to be people who know how
to express critical messages in creative and compelling ways. To
come back to cosmetic surgery, this has been something that
is chronicled in major news outlets all around the world,
(58:09):
and I don't mean just the tabloids, I mean major
news publications, and they're talking about a phenomenon called Mara
a Lago Face. Apparently not just at the big Swanks
soarets at Mara a Lago, but throughout Magaville. People are saying,
you know, I like Ivanka's look, So they're going to
(58:29):
a plastic surgeon and they're asking for her brows, her eyes,
her lips, or nose, et cetera. And this is being exaggerated.
There's a whole esthetic going on at Mara a Lago
and beyond where people are overfilling their cheeks and over
widening their eyes, and overfilling their lips, and overstacking their
(58:49):
breasts and overdoing pretty much everything, and then they are photographed.
Those pictures circulate online and the rest of us wonder
if these women just came out of a fifteen round
boxing ring, or we're stung in the face by a
swarm of bees and had a reaction. Right, But it's
(59:09):
a thing. It is a thing, and it's I think
a reflection of the overexaggeration of everything that Donald Trump
says and does. Everything is amplified, everything is hyperbole, and
so now with women and some men, people are over
exaggerating their features and it has become a thing called
(59:31):
Mara Lago face. Just Google image search it. And I
don't think it's body shaming to do this. You know,
if someone wants a nip or a talker, they want
to improve their look for purposes of self esteem or whatever.
I'm all about that, right, improve the packaging if it
makes you happy. I'm talking about people who just go
over the top and become a caricature of themselves. They
(59:54):
look like something drawn in Mad magazine. It's fair to
point at that and say, what the actual hell is
going on beyond that in the real world. Go for it.
You know, you got a muffin top, you got some rolls,
you got a turkey neck, you got moobs, got man boobs.
You want to get rid of those. If you have
(01:00:15):
cankles or whatever, right, if you need or want something,
knock yourself out. I'm just saying, buyer beware, because you
might just leave the plastic surgeon and the only thing
missing will be the little inflator on your ass to
blow you up. I'm just saying, and that that is
(01:00:38):
where we shall finish today. It's been a joy in
the Lord fellowshipping with you, my brethren. I'll see you later.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
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