Root People

In our lives, there are "root people" and "surface people." What have you learned about your friends and family in the time of Trump?

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I woke up this morning. I was driving Linus to
the Vatti had to have a teeth cleaning. This is
always stressful for Natalie and me because we lost a
dog on the operating table as he was having teeth
extraction years ago. And I'll spare you that story, but
every time we have to have a dog put under
for any procedure, it's a thing. And so I was

(01:18):
driving Linus in to get his teeth cleaned this morning
and I just was thinking. And because when I start thinking,
sometimes I start speaking, and I'm like, well, who can
I speak to when that person happens to be you.
Then I do a bonus release. Here, I do a
bonus podcast. I've done a lot of these this month.

(01:42):
I don't know how you feel about it. Maybe you're like,
dear God, I like the once a week shows. Why
do you keep releasing new stuff? And it's free? The
patrons aren't paying for them. It's just me blathering? But
who else am I gonna tell? So I'll tell you
this and I don't. I don't air dirty laundry like

(02:02):
this is not that kind of a story, but it relates.
I mean, I'm just going to tell you.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
We were having dinner with a friend of ours. I've
known Valerie, she wouldn't mind me using her real name
Valerie for thirty five years. And Natalie and I were
having dinner with val and her husband, and we started
to talk about friendships, relationships, especially now in today's climate,

(02:32):
and Valerie mentioned a term that I've sort of grasp onto.
She was talking about root people. She's like, in your life,
you have those who are surface people. The roots are
shallow or they kind of drift by and it doesn't
take much. You know, it's either time or the elements.

(02:52):
A storm comes by. How a good wind can just
rip them out of the ground and then they tumble
off and they're gone. Their surface people. And there's a
ton of surface people in our lives. You're already thinking
about surface people. They've come and they've gone. This was
not lasting, but on a few occasions you find root people.

(03:17):
The roots go deep and you know, no matter what happens,
they will be there for you could be a family
member or a friend. Shit goes down and they're not leaving,
and they get you and they relate to you, and
they have your back, and they are loyal. They are

(03:37):
loyal root friends. And when you're young, you think you're
going to run into root people your whole life. You
think everybody's going to have a connection like that. Well,
I'm going to have a ton of people that I
can count on and trust. And that turns out in
so many cases not to be true. You just have
a few. I've got a few root people in my

(03:59):
inner circle. I will consider you to be loyal friends.
That that's a slightly different category. This is a little
bit of a parasocial relationship because you know, you know
all about me and Natalie, and whenever we meet out
on the road, you and me I'm catching up as
you tell me about all the things that are happening
in your life. I know you've got my back, or
you know, I'm guessing you've got my back. But I'm

(04:20):
talking about interpersonal relationships root people. Okay, so recent events,
I say recent the last ten years, but especially since
the November election. I've reflected on root people. And there's

(04:42):
this guy. I've known him for a decade and we've
hung out and we play a ton of tennis, and
we've had dinner and had him over and with just time.
You know, there's the kind of guy that when he's
on a commute or a road trip, he'll call and
we'll catch up on the phone, and he in many

(05:02):
ways has been there for me. But it was in
the spring and I had just come off of the
No Kings protest, and I know, I know that he
voted Trump. I also know that he is not really

(05:24):
well versed in what's happening in the world. I think
he grazes by maybe Fox News, but he's checked out.
He doesn't. He doesn't. I mean, if I was to
ask him name four of the Supreme Court justices, he
couldn't even do that. Tell me what happened in the
headlines yesterday. It's not really his thing. He lives his life.

(05:44):
He's off that particular frequency and he's doing his thing.
But he voted Trump because he's you know, he's a
conservative Republican and that's what he does. And we have
avoided politics in our conversations because he and I have
had so much history. And I had come off No
Kings in the spring and we were there on the

(06:05):
tennis court and I was watching my team and he
was there on the bleachers, and somehow it came up.
I don't know if I was sunburned from being out
all day, and it came up in conversation that I
had been at the event, the rally, and he said,

(06:26):
you know, I heard that a lot of those people
were got paid to be there. And I stopped. I
was like, I'm sorry, what, well, I mean, that's just
you know, there are reports that a lot of those
folks aren't real like they they're you know, they got paid,
they're actors. And I looked at him and I'm trying

(06:53):
to process that did this just come out of your mouth?
And I don't remember exactly what I said, except oh yeah,
you know, oh sure, we're all crisis actors. We're all
out there pretending for a paycheck. And essentially I was
trying to say, that's a bunch of crap. And then

(07:14):
the match ended and everybody goes their respective ways, and
I got a text from him and it was a
link to a Craigslist ad that said actors wanted or
you know, paid protesters wanted to infiltrate No Kings, And

(07:35):
you know, it was one of those things where it
was obviously bogus. My first thought was, Craigslist is still around.
Craigslist to me, is like the prodigy of the online
spec Like, Craigslist is still around and this is where
millions of people are going to sign up. I thought

(08:01):
Craigslist is where you find something listed for sale and
then you make the deal, drive to go pick up
the product, and then you get murdered. I thought that's
what Craigslist was. And we end up on the phone
and I know, I'm just like, are you kidding me?
But I really, really In that moment, it finally hit me.

(08:22):
I thought, this guy is on a different frequency. He
does not get it. He is in the closest of
proximities to someone of true conviction who spent the whole
goddamn day in the sun rallying against authoritarianism. And his
first thought was, eh, I hear, there's a ton of

(08:44):
paid actors. I mean, how much more close to it
could he be? I'm an example, I'm a refutation to
the claim. And I felt right then that was my
moment with him where I really started two step away.
But we remain. I mean, we're friends today. But you

(09:04):
know what I mean, you can feel, okay, maybe this
is really a surface thing because I don't feel roots.
I don't feel that he really he's not he doesn't
get me at all, after all of our history, He's
not there there. So this was a few weeks ago
when I was reading about Donald Trump, who had signed

(09:26):
this memo and this is in the wake of the
Charlie Kirk murder. But he had this edict, I guess
I will call it, which is supposed to combat domestic
terrorism and organized political violence, the National Security Presidential Memorandum
seven in SPM seven. And this was not reported by

(09:49):
a ton of outlets. It just sort of skated in
the media. But the memo itself is terrifying for people
like me and like you. Trump's memorandum calls on the
National Joint Terrorism Task Force and they work under the
FBI to go after what is considered threats to America. Now,

(10:10):
this is vague and conveniently nebulous language. You're a threat
to America, You're anti America. Now we've been hearing this
after the recent note Kings protest. The Fox newsers are
all like Antifa and crisis actors and hate America. It's
the hate America rally. Well, if you hate America, you're

(10:31):
probably a threat. In the language of NSPM seven quote.
There are common recurrent motivations and inditia uniting this pattern
of violent and terroristic activities under the umbrella of self
described anti fascism. These movements portray foundational American principles cg.

(10:53):
Support for law enforcement and border control as fascist to
justify and encourage acts of violence revolution. This anti fascist
lie has become the organizing rallying cry used by domestic
terrorists to wage a violent assault against democratic institutions, constitutional rights,
and fundamental American liberties. Common threads animating this violent conduct

(11:20):
include anti Americanism, anti capitalism, and anti Christianity. Support for
the overthrow of the United States government extremism on migration,
race and gender, and hostility towards those who hold traditional
American views on family, religion, and morality. Now there's a

(11:43):
lot of loaded language in there. Anti Americanism. What does
that mean? You criticize America in that model? Who would
have been considered America? Pretty much anybody whoever protested an
injustice in this country. Anti capitalism? Aw oh, now you
think las a fair especially, you know, absolutely unfettered, unchecked

(12:05):
free market capitalism favors a tiny few oligarchs while the
rest of us get hosed. Well, that's anti American. I'm
guessing they would have thought Jesus Christ would have been
a capitalist right. And anti Christianity, which is different than
us showing bias or discrimination against someone because they are Christian.

(12:27):
And it's weird for some people when I tell them,
especially Christian, that I will fight for your right to
be religious because you have a constitutional right to have
and hold a Christian belief if you choose to. It's
when it crosses into my threshold. It's when you try
to theocritize the country. It's when it spills out of

(12:48):
your life and affects the rest of us that it
becomes a problem. The whole Christian nation thing is obviously
a problem. But you have a right to be a Christian. Now,
when I go hard and when you go hard Christianity,
we dismantle the Bible. We know it's cramp, we know
it's bogus, we know it's borrowed, we know it's false,
we know it's often immoral, And the right thing to

(13:10):
do is to go forward and say this is total bullshit.
And especially though so Pacific come ount of Christianity, I
think have enough equity to be able to do that.
But we can all say, you know, I don't buy it,
and I think it does a lot of harm, and
we are not a Christian nation. Blah blah blah. Well,
now we could be designated anti Christianity. That means that we,

(13:36):
potentially under the National Joint Terrorism Task Force seven, might
qualify as domestic terrorists to wage a violent assault against
democratic institutions, constitutional rights, and fundamental American liberties. Well, what
does that mean? Trump is going to start in the government.

(13:57):
Obviously he's going through and he's like Christian by essentially
anybody who is not Christian or has ever criticized Christianity.
How dare they, and then he vacuums them out of
the administration, and then the target expands. And those of
us who have ever spoken about Christianity in a negative way,
and that includes you, that's all of us. Right now,

(14:20):
we are in the splash damage zone. Potentially we become
a primary target. So then the oligarchs get involved. You've
got Mark Zuckerberg, he's had his head up Trump's ass.
They've been over there in the cabinet room, you know.
And Elon Musk He's trying to regain Trump's favor after
he threw him under the bus with the Epstein files.

(14:41):
But Elon's got a shit a ton of government contracts
and he needs the government to favor him. These are
people who have near dictatorial control over huge platforms of
information X and Facebook. I'm trying to think of who
runs Google, but I'm guessing they're Silicon Valley oligarchs who

(15:02):
will benefit from unfettered capitalism, lack of regulation, and so
they might side on the Trump thing. Forgive me for
not knowing that I'm just vamping. This is unprepared. So
what happens. Then Let's say I am declared and my friends,
you know, Forest Valcai and Erica and Promise and Matt

(15:27):
and Arn and Paul and Shannon, and I mean, anybody,
you know, anybody out there who was ever anybody we
are declared terrorists. At the very least, what can happen
is they can shadow Bannis, so the algorithm make sure
that nobody sees anything that we post online, and the
oligarchs have the power to do that. They demonetize us,

(15:51):
so now we can't do what we do full time.
At least they ban the channel. Now we're really looking
at a shutdown. And I would have never thought that
any of us could be prosecuted, fined or worse for
having the opinions that we have, But holy shit, how
can it not be on the table after all that

(16:14):
we have seen. Jesus, they're zip tying children in the streets.
They've declared that seven million marchers from October the eighteenth
are apparently either crisis actors or pro Hamas Antifa agents. Yeah, yeah,
we're all in the crosshairs. And so Natalie and I

(16:36):
were sitting in our living room. We're just sitting on
the couch and we're talking very candidly. And now I'm
not a spring chicken, fifty seven year old guy with
how many years sixteen years of being an activist, eleven years,
ten years, full time activist for ten years. And let's

(16:57):
say that they come in and they shut me down
and they say no more. That's tens of thousands of
hours of content, creation, of perspectives, of free speech, of
production that are just gone, just wiped off the map.
And then one, I mean, Natalie works. But who's how

(17:18):
are we going to How are we going to sustain
ourselves long term? Will we have to sell the house?
And what would we buy? And where? At what interest rates? God,
we got in how many years ago we got in
at three percent? We got in at three percent on
the house, and now I think the interest rate is double.
So that's going to cost a ton more. And if

(17:40):
we want to get out of this state, you know,
white bread, corn fed, strawberry red Oklahoma, we want to
move to more enlightened waters than the cost of living skyrockets.
Do we have to deplete our savings our retirement account,
which isn't that big in the first place. Do we
have to bleed that dry? Just to survey? What do

(18:00):
I do for a living? Imagine somebody googling my name
on an employee search. You know, the HR department is like, oh, lookie,
look at this guy. I don't know. My skills are
as a producer, as a writer, as a content creator,
as a public speaker. How does that fit into the

(18:22):
marketplace today? How does one essentially start over when they're
pushing fifty eight and pushing it kind of hard. These
are really really serious conversations that we've been having. What if,
what if I'd become targeted as a domestic terrorist. I
cannot believe I have to say these words out lot.

(18:43):
So we're sitting there in the living room and we
had that conversation. My phone rings and it's that guy.
It's my friend, and he dials me up and he
was talking about a tennis matcher. I think we'd come
off a tournament and we played over here at a
club called the Fortune, and he's like, how you doing?
And I just was very candid and I said, well,

(19:05):
I said, Natalie, and I've been sitting here discussing what
in the world my life would look like, because you know,
Trump just had this memorandum, this NSPM seven, which says
that anybody who is quote unquote anti Christian might be
a domestic terrorist and there could be consequences, penalties, like,

(19:29):
you know, if I'm shut down. We're trying to figure
out how we'll survive. Very seriously, I said this, and
his first response was, well, you know, you know what,
I promise, I won't turn you in. I won't turn
you you know, unless the money's really good, and then

(19:51):
I'll split it with Natalie. Ha ha ha. And I
I got off the phone pretty quickly and I told
Natalie I'm like, I mean, the obvious would hit me.
He's not my people. He's a surface person. You and I, Honey,

(20:19):
we're at a point where we need root people. How
could I be confident that this person that I've known
for so long would have my back out there if
this came up. P'd either maybe maybe he doesn't buy it.
I would wager that's the reason he was sort of

(20:41):
ha ha, you know, maybe he just didn't get it. Oh,
come on, they're not going to shut you down this America.
We're a free country. He's not really an enemy of
free speech. This is just you know, everybody's everybody's ramped up.
You probably read it on the internet, right, I mean,
I don't think he ever thinks that I would be
shut down. I don't think his brain clocked it in
that way. But the fact that I was expressing it

(21:05):
so seriously and his first response was to just blow
it off and make it a joke really really set
the bile in my mouth. And I just I don't
know what to do with it. I mean, I'm not
calling him and he we have not been hanging. I'm

(21:26):
sure he's probably realized, Hey, you know, we're not really
seeing each other much anymore unless we bomb elbows on
the tennis court surface. People root people, and there are
so very few of them. Think about your own life.

(21:54):
I'll bet you can maybe kind of them on one hand,
maybe two hands. If your lucky route people hell or
high water, I understand, or if I don't always understand,
at least I have empathy and feeling and I care
and tell me about it. Imagine that conversation if I
had been like, what happens if I am shot down

(22:17):
by the government in a country that's supposed to allow
me to speak and express myself freely, what happens? Imagine
if his response had been, well, is that really happening?
And tell me more about that? Because it's not what
I've heard. But you know you're my friend and I'm

(22:40):
concerned about you, and you know I support your right
to speak, So can you give me some more information here?
I mean, I if this is real, it's something I
would want to know. And I support you, man, I
support your right to I support you. I think you
know we disagree, but you have the right to disagree,

(23:01):
and I think that's part of who we are as America.
And if anything ever happens, you know we're going to
be here for you. We're going to be here whatever
you need. And that's to me a relatively reasonable response.
I think that would be a root person response, don't
you The last months, the last years have been a revelation.

(23:28):
They've been a black light. They've been a spotlight. They've
been a white light on so many of the relationships
that you and I used to just sort of not
examine that deeply. You really get to know people when
the shit hits the fan. You really get to know
people when crisis happen. I don't know, crisis. Is that

(23:51):
the word crisis? I guess I'm sure it is crisis
right now. Right now, they're ripping down the East wall
of the White House so that Trump can add on
his ballroom, and millions of magas probably my friend, are like, oh,
you know, the place probably needed a facelift anyway. They

(24:13):
don't see the destruction of history. They don't see the
people's house being shredded. They don't see a guy who
doesn't act like he's moving out anytime soon. They don't
see that. They're like, uh, it's wood, it's wood and
concrete and mortar whatever. You know, ballroom's going to be amazing.
I mean, look at what he's done with the Oval Office.

(24:34):
Have you seen all the gold, like the cheap ass
gold stuff that he has decorated the Oval Office with.
It looks like a bad televangelist TV set. You ever
watched TBN. I think TBN's still on the air. Trinity
Broadcasting Network was really big in the eighties and nineties,
and I think they're still around. But a lot of

(24:55):
these evangelist television shows would have an hour a day,
even if people these sort of hair sprayed preachers. He
would sit in these really ornate gilded chairs and on
these big Fufi couches and they would essentially talk about
Jesush and they would quote the Bible to you, and

(25:16):
then they would of course say, support the ministry. Send
us your faith seed, and the Lord will return it
unto the casht your bread upon the water, and it
shall return unto you tenfold. Just give you your money,
We take visa MasterCard, discover an American Express. Yes we do, right,
what's that, George Carlin Lyne. God loves you and he

(25:37):
needs money. But all around them was the most gaudy, ugly,
gold spray painted ugliness you have ever seen. A friend
of mine said, it is what a great many poor
people think wealth might look like. It's the equivalent of

(25:58):
Donald Trump's golden bear baby carriage. Did you see that
photo from I don't know, years ago. It's him and
Milania and the kids, and they're in this room and
it's got like stuffed lions and tigers and everything's gold
in the background, and there's a golden baby carriage. It's
just obscene. It's not classy, it's not elegant, it's not luxurious.
It's just tacky. It's like Vegas vomited all over the

(26:23):
Trump family. And that's what he's done through the Oval Office,
and that's what he's going to do to the ballroom.
It's obscene. It's obscene, and people like my friend, I
don't hear a peep about it. I don't hear any protests.
I don't hear any concern Jesus. You know, as you
get older. I think as you get older, you get

(26:45):
less patient with dumb stuff and stupid people. And I
don't think I'm supposed to say some people are stupid. Seth,
why are you using the word stupid. Well, there's stupid
in this world. There's an epidemic. I'm not talking about ignorance,
which can be fixed. We've all been ignorant, and we've

(27:08):
all been stupid. Right, we had the knowledge and we
did you know, we knew what was right. We did
the wrong thing. Anyway, that's stupid. You are just as
thick as a post and you get yourself into real
trouble because you acted stupidly. We've had stupid thoughts. I
don't have a problem saying the word. You know, when
we were growing up, they used to say, there's no

(27:29):
such thing as a stupid question. Oh hell no, there's
a shit ton of stupid questions in this world. I'm
sorry anyway, And then you look around and You're like,
there's an epidemic. There's a cancer stupid, the cancer of
cruel there's a cancer of short sightedness, of myopia, of bigotry,
of just being lazy. It's like when you and I

(27:54):
talk about the Bible, do you know the Bible's true? Yep?
What do you think about this story? Well? I haven't
read it. Do you know who wrote this book? Well? No,
I can't tell you that. How often do you read
the Bible?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You know, we not really? I got a few. They're
on the nightstand. I got one in the drawer in
the you know, in the built in cabinets in the
living room.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I mean I should read the Bible more. I should
have more quiet time with Jesus. Yeah. You want to
know who knows the Bible, You got to talk to
an atheist or a Jewish person. Statistically, atheists and Jews
are more Bible knowledgeable than everybody else. Well, how's that,
even jib they're not. In many cases, it's not just ignorance,

(28:45):
it's that you've got the whole thing. You've got all
sixty six books, You've got all the letters of the
Christian scriptures front and center in multiple copies and you
don't read it. Now, we're not just ignorant. This is
just stupid to say, well, it's true, I wonder what
it says. It's the same with evolution. I don't understand it,

(29:09):
and I never read on the origin of species. I've
never taken a true biology class that wasn't taught by
a pastor or something. But I know evolution is bogus
and false. And that's just the stand I'm going to take.
We've gone past ignorance. Now we're just stupid. How do
I respect that? When I talked to this guy and
he's like, oh, you know what, ah ah, they could
all be paid actors. Here's a Craigslist dad. Somebody posted

(29:34):
was it fox News? Who had said? You know what,
it's suspected that George Soros and George Soros is a
favorite target of the right, which is weird because I
thought they loved billionaires. The guy was born in Hungary
and he immigrated to the United States. He is a

(29:54):
big wig with a lot of money. He's written books.
He's a philanthropist. He is chairman of the Open Society Foundations,
which does a lot of charity work. He has donated
to Democratic political candidates. Oh okay, now the dots are
starting to line up, right. He has a background in economics,

(30:16):
and he's lived here since nineteen fifty six. And yet,
for some reason, in the Fox News Newsmax Oan you
know Magas story, George Soros is part of this shadow network.
He's you know, he's out there doing all this stuff.
And so Fox News says, you know what, it has
been claimed, George Soros paid five hundred dollars to the

(30:39):
protesters on October the eighteenth, the seven million people. Wait
a minute, hang on, let me do the math on
that calculator. Five hundred times seven? Oh oh and another
or zero? You ever do that? Zero? Both work? Uh?

(31:03):
Go on to three billion. George Sorow's paid three billion,
five hundred million dollars to people that he apparently found
on Craigslist. You know, Fox News doesn't think their audience

(31:32):
is stupid. They know they're stupid. They the ignorance can
be fixed, but stupid maybe forever. Who says, Okay, there
were seven million individual private transactions between George Soros and

(31:54):
American citizen actors, and each of those transactions has been
said successfully covered up, and the conspiracy has not been
revealed or proven. You got to be shitting me. What's
that line from The Irishman with Robert de Niro? He said,
you know three people can keep a secret, but only
if two of them are dead. How stupid do you

(32:19):
have to be? Sean Hannity, I swear to you, Sean Hannity,
Megan Kelly, right, the Fox and Friends crew, Brian kill Me,
who by the way, still hasn't been held the task
for his little zinger on the Morning show on Fox
News where he said we ought to just execute the homeless. God,

(32:44):
they ban Jimmy Kimmel, right, they ban him for being offensive,
and Brian kill Me. They pat him on the knuckle
and say, you have been a bad boy. You should
probably come forward and say just a tiny apology. And
then we're going to have a cultural amnesia where nobody
even remembers it happened. The guys said we should execute

(33:07):
the homeless, and so if somebody is a Fox News
viewer and they're like, ah uh, yeah, that's not ignorance,
that's just stupid. These are people who couldn't tell you
if an elevator was going up or down, even if
they had two guesses. They should carry plants to make

(33:33):
up for the oxygen they're wasting. If they somehow get
lost in thought, they never return. What's that line, if
they ever had a clever thought, that thought went out
and died alone and afraid. You know what I'm saying.

(33:53):
How many people have diarrhea of the mouth, but constipation
on the brain. And they vote, and they influence, and
they graze our lives. They tumble weed across the surface
surface people. Maybe not even that. Maybe we just see

(34:18):
each other from afar and you and I look and say,
I want nothing to do with that. I want I
want nothing to do with that. Then I get it.
I feel the same way. I have reduced my social circle.
I'm thankful for this community. I'm going to Albuquerque this weekend.
I'm going to be speaking on Saturday morning to the

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Humanist Society of New Mexico. I'm looking forward to being
among my people, humanists good for goodness sake, who are
grieved by the crazy shit that's going on around us.
And we can come together and we can be reminded
of the good and we can say we're going to
work together and do what we can try to fix

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what is broken. But the arsonists have gone crazy, So
you know, to we can vent about our despair and
our fears. We can talk about the things that matter
on a root level, not a surface level. Roots people.
I don't know. That's just what I was thinking about today.

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I don't have a destination for this little diatribe of mine,
Like I don't have a satisfying place to take you.
I'm not going to take calls.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I just.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
On my drive back, I had so much that was
just spinning around in my skull, and so I thought, okay, fine,
I just I just hit start, you know podcast, start
wondering if maybe you can relate, if you've gone through

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it in your own life. We've had people who have
not just fallen by the wayside. Maybe you have taken
them and you have removed them. I've had there have
been spouses who have divorced each other because this was
a black light on the relationship. Is this really what
you think? Is this really how you feel? Is this
really what your values are? I can't live with that.

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I don't want to be under the same roof as that.
I don't have to abide that. And they just signed
the divorce paper and draw that boom you're gone. You know,
life's too short. That's happened. There have been news reports
about all these marriages that have ended in the time
of Trump. Friendships have gone by the wayside. People are

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not going to go to the holiday events with their family. Jesus,
I'm having my own conversation. Do I really want to
be in the room with a mother I haven't spoken
to in I don't know, it's been well over a year,
because of boundaries, because of disrespect. How in the world
do we even have family time when she and I
are in close proximity and boundaries have been violated. We're estranged,

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we're separated. What are we going to talk about? Hey?
How you been? You know? Wow, nice weather we're having.
By the way, do you still support the White House
demolishing democracy, demolishing pussy grabbing, grifting, sociopathic, cruel, childish, petulant
piece of garbage that is in the White House today?

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I'm just scarious just making conversation. I mean, because that's
what I'm going to want to say, That's what past
the gravy. No, I'm not making this up. When I
say that it does feel good to have you, I
am fully aware that we don't know each other in

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many ways on a peer to peer one on one
we live our lives every day in close proximity level.
But I will say, whenever you and I meet each other,
and when you call into the shows, and when you're
part of this community, I do I feel of a
version a version of root people. You know what I mean?

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Like if something was to go down, or if you
were to express the angster or the concern or the
anger that you were feeling, that you wouldn't abandon me
and I wouldn't abandon you. And your first response would be, WHOA,
tell me more about it? How are you feeling? What
can I do? You know? That's root people type stuff?

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I mean, it's not. It's I think it's a different
version of it. Maybe there's a different term for it.
But I guess I'll finish here by thanking you, thank you,
thank you, good medicine. Isn't it to know that when
there were so many people who drift by, tumble by,

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or just leave or maybe you kick them out, there
are many others who have not lost their fucking minds
or their moral center or their reason centers, or their
compassion and their empathy and perspective and desire to make
this country, in the world and each other better. Those

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people are still there and you, to me, are a
reminder of that. Forgive me for sounding like a Hallmark movie,
but that's how I'm going to wrap it up today.
Thanks for being so patient as I I don't know
do what I did, as I just did what I did.
All right. We'll see you back here on the next

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one for the official podcast, and until then, take care.

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